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The singer Justin Bieber is promoting pre-rolled cannabis joints that he calls “Peaches”, the name of a song from an album. He is doing so in association with a Los Angeles-based company, Palms Partners, that specialises in selling seven-joint packs for \$32 (£24) in California and Nevada. “I’m a fan of Palms and what they are doing by making cannabis approachable and helping to destigmatise it – especially for the many people who find it helpful for their mental health,” he says.

Bieber is one of a strange coalition seeking to legitimise cannabis (marijuana) for its health-giving properties or because they believe that criminalisation has failed and proved counter-productive. Online advertising for recreational cannabis in the US claims that it is an antidote for depression. Amazon, the largest delivery company in the world, is reportedly lobbying in Washington for marijuana’s legalisation at the federal level.

In Britain, the former Conservative Party leader William Hague argues in a newspaper column for a move “from seeing drug use as a criminal issue to a health issue, achieving a crucial change in culture”. He praises Portugal for reclassifying as a misdemeanour the possession and purchase of drugs for individual consumption.

Legalising and commercialising cannabis is well under way from Uruguay to Canada and in at least 10 states in the US. Paradoxically, this shift towards the toleration of cannabis as more or less harmless is taking place just as scientists conclusively prove the link between cannabis and psychosis (a less shocking word than “madness” or “insanity”, but the meaning is the same). Cause and effect is today as well established as it is between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.

“Numerous prospective studies have shown that cannabis use carries an increased risk of later schizophrenic-like psychosis,” says an article by Sir Robin Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King’s College London and Wayne Hall of the National Centre for Youth Substance Use Research at the University of Queensland. They cite a study showing that, though Portugal is held up as a pioneer in dealing with drugs, the rate of hospitalisation for psychotic disorders has increased 29-fold since decriminalisation 15 years ago. Another study calculates that between 30 per cent and 50 per cent of new cases of psychosis in London and Amsterdam would not have occurred if the individual affected had not been smoking high-potency cannabis.

Personal observation confirms this: doctors in mental hospitals have told me that they scarcely bother anymore to ask patients if they have taken cannabis, but simply assume it is the case. The situation has deteriorated as the proportion of THC, the psychoactive substance in cannabis producing the “high”, has risen precipitately. Once as low as 3 per cent, it has risen to 10 to 15 per cent in Europe and North America, though in Colorado, the first state to legalise recreational use, the THC can reach as high as 70 per cent. Those taking cannabis daily, particularly if they are young, face an escalating risk of permanent mental breakdown.

But if cannabis has already had its “tobacco moment”, when the damage it does is scientifically proven, why do celebrities like Justin Bieber want to destigmatise it and persuade consumers that it will improve their mental health?

Part of the boosterism in favour of cannabis plugs into its old association with a bohemian lifestyle and “the swinging Sixties”. But it is commercial pressure that is becoming far more important in lobbying for its legalisation. Businesses see they can make money out of it: projected legal sales of cannabis will be worth \$66.3bn by 2025, according to a report. Big profits will pay for advertising and lobbying campaigns lauding the drug’s virtues and seeking to put in doubt or divert attention from the harm it causes.

The cigarette industry did this a century ago, funding “independent” experts who sought to blur or discredit evidence that smoking caused cancer. Governments were seduced by high tax revenues from tobacco sales and reluctant to do anything to curtail them. Hollywood stars such as John Wayne, Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy happily – and profitably – glamourised cigarettes, much as is happening to cannabis now.

Businesses seeking to emulate the tobacco companies at the height of their profitability have formed a bizarre de facto alliance with liberals and progressives, who are appalled by the disastrous mess created by government drug policy. The so-called “war on drugs” has demonstrably inflicted more misery in the US, certainly on the black community, than real military conflicts.

But an overreaction to government failure, provoking a dash in the opposite direction, has equal dangers. Those in favour of greater tolerance towards drugs are almost invariably thinking of cannabis as much less nasty than heroin and cocaine. But I have met psychiatrists, with long experience of dealing with drug victims of all sorts, who believe that cannabis is more dangerous than the other drugs because it has the potential to damage many more people.

About 3 million people take illicit drugs in England and Wales, of whom about 2.5 million consume cannabis, some 10 per cent on a daily basis in 2017-18, according to the review of drugs report by Dame Carol Black. Much of the cannabis is produced in the UK, sometimes by Vietnamese organised crime groups using slave labour. Most of the violence provoked by drugs is between the gangs who control the heroin and crack cocaine markets, which are worth about £5bn a year. Decriminalising drugs, notably cannabis, will not affect this sort of battle for territory and market share. Supply lines are very different between the different drug markets, with the heroin from Afghanistan wholesaled by Turkish and Pakistani gangs, and cocaine from Latin America controlled by Albanians.

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The legalisation of cannabis will do nothing to hurt organised crime groups, but it will make the drug much more widely available. The idea by proponents of legalisation that the government will tightly regulate its quality and sale is naive. If the authorities cannot control it when it is illegal, they will be even less able to do so when it is legal. But legalisation – and even limited decriminalisation – will send a message that taking cannabis is a benign activity and does not do you or anybody else much harm. The deterrent effect of illegality will evaporate and the drug becomes no different than alcohol and tobacco.

Once commercially available, all the old persuasive tools formerly used by the cigarette industry swing into action as is happening unstoppably in the US. Celebrities like Justin Bieber will “destigmatise” the drug and give it the gloss of youth and fashion. Once, the victims of the tobacco companies coughed up their lungs unnoticed by the wider community, and this time round the victims of cannabis will disappear into mental hospitals without anybody taking much notice.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    What goes up must come down. There’s a price to be paid for any drug, this one included. It’s promoted as if it were some miracle drug when everyone should know there’s no such thing. It’s also much stronger these days. It’s legal in many US states and taxes from its sale have exceeded that from alcohol. The government apparently wants you to smoke it as it begins to rely on revenue from sales. They can’t engineer full employment but can provide stupefying drugs instead. No job but here’s your drugs, here’s your small monthly welfare check, or ‘guaranteed income’, here’s your public housing beehive, now get lost and don’t bother us.

    • Replies: @SteveK9
    , @Turbo
    , @Timma
    , @JimDandy
  2. scientists conclusively prove the link between cannabis and psychosis

    Psychosis has no definitive empirical tests. The diagnosis is purely subjective from the high priests in the fraud known as psychiatry and related pseudo fields. Therefore there is no proof of it possible as it exists only in the minds of the fields wizards.

    That some people are “nuts” everyone can recognize but can’t prove. We can all claim that someone is acting irrationally or in some way out of the ordinary, but there is no empirical proof in any of the DSM’s maladies.

    Let people consume whatever they want. It’s none of your business as long as it doesn’t involve you. It’s the rush for prior restraint in all things that is leading the entire world toward a totalitarian tyranny. Stop it.

  3. gottlieb says:

    Thanks for the good weekend laugh. It’s 21st century Reefer Madness. Take your shot, take your pill, and don’t think for yourself.

    After decades witnessing folks who use cannabis for a number of reasons, I have never seen one crazy person. Though it’s easy to see the ravages of alcohol.

  4. Unit472 says:

    Sadly he’s right. There is no ”benefit” from getting stoned, drunk or tripping on LSD ( another blast from the past) but there is a cost. That we made drinking alcohol a rite of passage it at least acts as a ‘social lubricant’ and encourages conversation, at least up to the point one starts slurring one’s words, and that isn’t a bad thing in a world of smart phones.

    • Disagree: Chris Mallory
  5. Biff says:

    I can make the same argument that societal constraints cause psychosis, or a punitive society such as America(land with a thousand tiny hands in your pockets) causes anxiety and psychosis, but let’s just blame the weed.

    I’m ready for a bong hit now…

    I think the psychosis is already there; the weed just brings it out(to play).

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Curle
  6. Without before and after studies and placebo groups, controls etc they cannot have provided useful evidence for anything. They most certainly did not prove anything. Proof in science is such a foreign concept, it is rejected as a rule in any statement seeking respect. How did they prove this thing? It is a hard and fast rule, a hypothesis is supported by evidence to the point it becomes a theory. No amount of supporting evidence constitutes proof, however a single piece of evidence is sufficient to disprove even an established long held theory. So I am hugely unimpressed from the title alone. Many things masquerading as science these days. In fact science hasn’t been seen in public since 2019 and I am worried for her welfare at this point.

    Humans have used cannabis for more than 10 thousand years. There is undeniable and substantial supporting evidence for this. We have cannabinoid receptors hardwired into our brains and very few species have this. Recreationally and medicinally we have used it and the plant has given us the best fibers, cloth, rope, paper, food and stock food far more efficiently than anything else and much more if big chemical companies and big Pharma had not removed it from reach, precisely because they could not compete with its properties at all and couldn’t sell their oil based junk otherwise. Nobody has ever died from it. Some truly phenomenal amounts have been accidentally consumed and no ill effects even were the result. I’ve seen a baby eat at least an ounce of hashish once, in a regrettable oversight by somebody. Besides laughing hilariously for a couple of hours, he slept about 16 hours then awoke as bright and sharp as ever. He also grew up to be the only one of my kids who does not have bipolar disorder, personality issues and is the nicest, most decent all round young man you could meet. He’s also a qualified nurse.

    Psychosis is a convenient term used by cops and shrinks and it gives them options for dealing with people who might respond better to more human and personal treatment if anyone cared to give it. It is arbitrary, is said to be present sometimes but not always, and no consideration is usually given to circumstances and context which led to the behavior being observed. It is not even an actual illness that can be definitely diagnosed. People who abuse any thing, ie: to excess so that this thing hinders other aspects of your life, have an underlying problem in the first place. Some manage to successfully self medicate, some do not. The thing abused, the addiction as such, need not be a drug. It can be sex, porn, religion or even online gaming. Alcohol, drugs. It matters not and removing the addiction does not in itself solve the underlying problem. You can stop a person’s progress from breast milk, juice, coffee, alcohol, pot, speed, heroin at any point and assert This is where it all started. Yes sure, his heroin addiction started with breast milk, or his lunchbox juice. The truth is his problem started with him and for whatever reason rather than deal with it, he sought solace in the distraction of addiction. Addiction cures nothing, so he will often keep seeking new ones over time too. Physical or mental harm, sure. Harm to one’s soul, also not good. That’s why I hate Heroin. It eliminates the human conscience. ie: The Holy Spirit.

    Cannabis is furthermore not a drug. It is hysteria and misleading to assert that it is. It is a herb. Drugs are what it replaces for many things and these are made chemically in labs. I know because I have made a few. I have also grown a lot of pot and smoked a lot too. I am anything but a typical user as the Cheech and Chong projectors would imagine too. I can however say with authority that it is not a drug. it is green, grows in the soil and is partial to sunlight. Drugs don’t like sunlight I assure you.

    • Agree: Notsofast, Bro43rd
    • Replies: @gar manarnar
    , @Sisifo
  7. I have lost a number of friends and relatives to alcoholism over the decades. Some died. Some had their health and/or minds destroyed but plug along, drink to drink, somehow.

    But in all my life I have never seen anyone destroyed by cannabis usage, even extreme daily usage for decades and decades with no let up. And these are men and women at the highest levels of STEM, medical and lawyering professionalism.

    Not saying cannabis is risk free, just saying there is no comparison to alcohol and its societal costs.

    Booze had thousands of years in the absolute limelight of our Western recreation. Now it’s looking like it may be cannabis’ time to take center stage, at least for a while.

    We’ll see how that turns out, one way or the other…….

  8. Notsofast says:
    @gottlieb

    patrick can’t handle his weed, so everybody else needs to quit. cockburn ( sounds painful) is a totally clueless tool and shill but i have to read his senseless ramblings because they are really quite humorous in an unintentional way.

  9. Rahan says:
    @gottlieb

    I know two guys who lost it after overdoing weed.

    With one it was a specific evening after which he became let’s say mildly psychotic, constantly out of it and with a mad glint in his eye, and you can never quite relax when he’s in the room.

    The other guy had a more gradual onset but then went into full blown schizophrenic episodes with stays in the loony bin. Started 5-6 years ago, last time was last month.

    Of course, like with the clot-shot “after doesn’t mean because of” but sure it does. With the abrupt onset dude it’s obvious that if he hadn’t triggered himself that evening, maybe he would have sailed past his moment of fragility in a safer manner, and when he next encountered a powerful strain at a party he would’ve been more resilient. But it caught him in a fragile moment and it is what it is.

    The gradual onset dude I don’t know. Maybe it would have always ended like this but regular strong weed sure didn’t help.

    I myself think weed can be great for enjoying music or sex or a number of other things. But it’s not “totally harmless”. People have fragile moments and resilient moments in their lives. A bad trip with strong weed, or accumulated strong weed smoking may indeed set off shit which otherwise could perhaps have remained slumbering until the fragile moment had passed.

    It should be legal but with serious warnings, like cigarettes.

    Otherwise it’s like kinky sex. First it’s not OK, then suddenly everybody’s shoving steel rods up their dicks, and if you ask if that’s safe you’re a fascist. Surely there’s a sane middle ground with reasonable research and warnings.

    • Agree: Sean
  10. Chester says:

    Didn’t even finish it. Why bother? This guy actually thinks “Reefer Madness” is A documentary based on “science!” As proof, he offers a couple anecdotes of “psychosis” which is intentionally vague and subjective.

    OK, boomer

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  11. Emslander says:

    Cannabis is a VERY dangerous drug. I am close to people who have suffered for years from various psychoses as a result of their early use of the drug. You only need to go into a VA mental hospital and ask around. It’s not heroin. It’s cannabis that is the number one debilitating factor in the lifelong incapacity of these men to function.

    • LOL: RoatanBill, Chester
    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @RoatanBill
  12. SteveK9 says:
    @anonymous

    Ever read ‘Brave New World’? It’s taken a long time, but it’s here.

    • Disagree: Chris Mallory
  13. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    Let people consume whatever they want. It’s none of your business as long as it doesn’t involve you.

    Yeah, to each his own, because most of the time they’ll choose another victim, not you.

    Continuity of cannabis use and violent offending over the life course

    Conclusions: Together, these results provide strong indication that cannabis use predicts subsequent violent offending, suggesting a possible causal effect, and provide empirical evidence that may have implications for public policy.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26961342/

    Violence and Cannabis Use: A Focused Review of a Forgotten Aspect in the Era of Liberalizing Cannabis

    …as evidence-based research from meta-analyses have shown that cannabis use is associated with violence

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33192691/

  14. Notsofast says:
    @Emslander

    v.a. mental hospital….. do you think their military service might have something to do with their condition? many people with mental health issues that use cannabis are also using alcohol and other street drugs. heroin has caused far more death and disfunction in the lives of veterans than cannabis ever did and prescription drugs cause twice as many overdoses as heroin.

  15. @RoatanBill

    Repeal the welfare state, then I’m happy for you to use whatever drugs you want.

    Or here’s a possible compromise: starting at age 65, you can use whatever drugs you want.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  16. @Emslander

    For folks in the VA hospital system that are having mental issues, it couldn’t be that they saw horrible things and many did horrible things when they were in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, could it?

    No, let us blame it on a plant that’s been around since christ was a carpenter. Murdering people, blowing stuff up, watching your buddies get blown up, that surely can’t have any impact on an individual. Can it?

    • Agree: Sisifo
    • Replies: @Proximaking
    , @Emslander
  17. @Anon

    Do you actually trust anything that comes from a .gov address?

    Even if true, people have to choose their life direction and be responsible for their choices. People drink and drive. They cause accidents and kill people. Do we get rid of all alcohol because some are irresponsible?

    Can I assume you want pot and in general, drug prohibition? If so, please describe how well all the drug laws have functioned and include the lives ruined by a prison stretch for possessing a plant that is now being cultivated by corporations on the stock exchanges. Have the pot possessors and distributors that landed in prison had their records cleared and has the state given them compensation for the obvious mistake the gov’ts made to arrest them in the first place?

    Don’t you see that the entire drug issue has little to nothing to do with health or security for the general population and everything to do with control, power and lots of money? Why do you think the CIA has been in the drug trade for decades? Ever heard of Mena Arkansas or Barry Seal? The gov’ts make it illegal which drove the trade underground where huge profits could be made. The CIA and other independent business people in places like Colombia, Mexico, etc got into the business precisely because it’s profitable precisely because it’s illegal. The laws created the problem where there was none before so the gov’t could then do something for the shallow thinkers to be satisfied.

    Government is good at one thing: It knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, “See, if it weren’t for the government, you wouldn’t be able to walk”.
    Harry Browne

    The drug laws were invented to allow the gov’t to get into a lucrative business to fund their black ops projects and to pretend to protect the public.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  18. @RoatanBill

    Psychosis has no definitive empirical tests

    Psychosis def. : a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

    Empirical def. : based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

    Here’s an abbreviated form of a standard test for psychosis :

    https://www.semel.ucla.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/High%20Risk%20Psychosis%20Screener.pdf

    . . seems pretty empirical to me.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Can you connect the dots in whatever logic you used to come up with your ludicrous suggestion?

    How has age anything to do with it, for example? What has the source of funds to do with drug use? Don’t you think that corporate CEO’s, doctors, lawyers, etc use drugs?

    Are you another one of the control freaks that wants absolute safety by making every vice illegal? Have you no concept of the harm done via all the laws that have prior restraint as their guiding principle?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  20. megabar says:
    @RoatanBill

    > Let people consume whatever they want. It’s none of your business as long as it doesn’t involve you.

    Everything involves me if we’re in a society together. If you can’t hold up your part of society because you have drug issues, you hurt me, from increased need for medical care, wealth transfer, and loss of productivity. If you want to have a separate society from me where anything goes, that’s fine with me.

    I am not stating that marijuana causes any of this; I haven’t looked into it. Perhaps it doesn’t, and then the real argument should be that it’s harmless, not that it’s none of anyone’s business.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @RadicalCenter
  21. @RoatanBill

    Use all the drugs you want, but I shouldn’t have to pay for your disability due to drug-induced psychosis, or resuscitating you from an accidental OD, or for you to detox at a rehab facility. Abolish the welfare state–problem solved. Your drug use won’t be socialized.

    People aged 65 and over are net tax consumers with SS/Medicare, so if they want to lower their lifespans with drug use, or just intoxicate themselves into an amiable, geriatric fugue, I’m fine with that as well.

    Is this really that hard to grasp? You’re smoking too much weed man.

    I’m very familiar with high-performing members of the professional classes. A few get regularly tanked in the evening but most of them live lives that are downright Victorian.

  22. @Rabbitnexus

    I’ve smoked it, grown it, processed it and sold it, and I’ve seen plenty of negative reactions . . kids puking their guts out, freaking out because they think they have lost the ability to breathe, etc. I’m sorry, but you have to acknowledge the bad effects as well as the good, just like the vaccines. And by the way, the studies demonstrating risk of psychosis do, of course, include control groups . . for example

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/highpotency-cannabis-and-the-risk-of-psychosis/496BC36BD5837360498391D7143305EA

  23. @gar manarnar

    . . seems pretty empirical to me.

    That’s because you’re a dishonest shallow thinker that cherry picks only a portion of the definition.

    Empirical def. : capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment

    By your limited definition, I and a buddy can declare you insane without some kind of actual proof. Consensus by us is all that’s required.

    By the full definition, some experimental proof is required and the frauds in psychiatry have none. They have not one verifiable empirical experiment or test that can determine any one of the made up conditions in the DSM. Every one of their conditions requires subjective evaluation by one of their priests.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  24. Many things are being said about cannabis in order to make it legal. It’s just more marketing 101 tricks that are applied to nearly most things in the make-believe world of commodities and politics we live in. An example is “humanitarian war.” We all know that trillion dollar sales pitch! Cockburn is off here as he sometimes is with political ideas and “movements” that are really advertising/ propaganda techniques to manipulate law and public consensus.

    In Calif. when weed became legal around 2005 it was great small farm quality weed! Smelled great, tasted good, original strains, powerful. Now it’s a big business factory grown mass produced product. Much of it is not stronger because it’s too often just about profit and harvested too early, poorly handled and bred for ease of automated processing and faster harvests.

    The state is in on it too with approx. 27% taxes levied on each sale! With a normal sales CA tax of approx. 9.5% Calif. would have earned far more in taxes than at the higher level tax but that’s greedy Calif. for you.

    Agree with all here about the demon alcohol vs cannabis. I’ve seen both for over 60 years and alcohol is far more dangerous and destructive. Also TV, social media, movies, and too many religions or political beliefs learned from MSM produce far more insane thinking than weed to be sure, and at a global massive scale. Electronic psychosis producing addictive “drugs,” to be sure.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  25. @megabar

    Everything involves me if we’re in a society together.

    By your statement, you are one of the ‘Karens’ of the world. Everything is your business because we all live on the same planet. You want to control people that don’t see the world the same way you do.

    If some drunk or stoned pot user causes you harm, then you have a right to complain. If some drunk or stoned pot user doesn’t cause you harm then you have no right to complain or attempt to influence their lives.

    If you want to bring in the insanity of the current gov’t that picks your pocket to support every dirtbag, be it a baby factory welfare recipient, military veteran with medical issues caused by being where he shouldn’t have been, doper, lazy slob, etc, then blame the gov’t for their policies.

    Some drunk or doper sleeping in a tent under an overpass in San Francisco does you no harm, for example, unless Pelosi and company steal money from you to somehow spend it on the drunk/doper. The homeless person isn’t your problem, Pelosi is.

    • Replies: @megabar
    , @gar manarnar
  26. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Abolish the welfare state–problem solved.

    I completely agree with your sentiment. I also don’t want to pay for every dirtbag in the society, but it’s not up to me or you. If you vote, you have authorized all the wars, the police state and theft that goes on. I, on the other hand, don’t vote to continue a system that shouldn’t exist.

    BTW – I’ve never in my life smoked pot or done any drugs besides beer, wine and an occasional scotch, so don’t paint me as a drug user in the colloquial sense of what “drugs” stands for.

    As far as your thoughts, if I can call it that, concerning those over 65 are concerned, you’re a swine. Were you somehow instantiated on this planet without parents?

    People paid into SS for decades, not by choice, but by coercion. I’d be happy to take a one time payout of all the money the gov’t stole from me, plus interest at the yearly prevailing rate, compounded, and I would gladly leave the system. That choice isn’t offered to me, so don’t blame the victims of the gov’t policy you probably voted for.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  27. This is just stupid. The centerpiece of modern “discourse”.

    Modern life causes psychosis.

    Poverty, joblessness, homelessness, culture wars, political wars, economic wars, ruthless capitalism, debt slavery, natural and man-made diseases, predatory for-profit “your money or your life” health care, broken families, desperation in all its forms.

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    William J. Casey, 1913-1987, Director, CIA (Republican),
    Statement at his first CIA staff meeting, 1981

    Learn the truth. Set yourself free.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  28. jjc says:

    Consequences associated with prescribed illegality of cannabis were far more damaging to individuals and society at large than any presumed psychoactive affect.

  29. megabar says:
    @RoatanBill

    > By your statement, you are one of the ‘Karens’ of the world. … If some drunk or stoned pot user causes you harm, then you have a right to complain.

    You’ll have better luck if you actually address my arguments. For example, I listed the harms I view as plausible.

    > You want to control people that don’t see the world the same way you do.

    To the extent that they affect me, yes. As is right and proper. Otherwise, no, because I don’t care what you do, drug-wise, if you’re not in my society. As I already said.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Weaver
  30. Notsofast says:

    the conversation is getting a little heated, this has got to be the longest thread that idiot cockburn has ever had. i think we should all just sit down, do some breath work, meditation and a little d.m.t. (naturally sourced of course). it will help us with our p.t.s.d.

  31. @RoatanBill

    As far as your thoughts, if I can call it that, concerning those over 65 are concerned, you’re a swine. Were you somehow instantiated on this planet without parents?

    OK – age 75, then you can use all the drugs you want. Or maybe 85, then you can use all the drugs you want?

  32. @RoatanBill

    No, by my definition, you can be declared psychotic based on the results of the (empirical) test, but only after being evaluated by a qualified psychiatrist. The evaluation may include further tests to rule out things like brain damage, etc. It’s interesting what you can learn if you do a little research,. You should try it sometime.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  33. @megabar

    I did address your argument which amounts to not wanting to pay for other people’s choices. It’s my third paragraph that you simply decided to not take cognizance of.

    That is the policy invented by gov’t you get to vote for. The pot smoker or drunk isn’t formulating the policy you disapprove of. The pot head or drunk isn’t reaching into your pocket continuously, the gov’t is. Put the blame where it belongs.

    • Replies: @megabar
  34. @RoatanBill

    By your statement, you are one of the ‘Karens’ of the world.

    And what are you doing? An award winning journalist writes a short article on the possible adverse effects of high potency cannabis use, which is backed by expert data, and your response is what? . . to denounce psychiatry as a field of study?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @RoatanBill
  35. Weaver says:
    @megabar

    What about having it legal in some states, not in other states? That seems like the best possible balance currently, ideals aside.

    Ideally, it would be banned, but I don’t believe such is possible.

    • Replies: @megabar
  36. Weaver says:
    @Jeff Davis

    Can’t multiple things, including pot, cause such a problem?

  37. @gar manarnar

    These tests are all subject to interpretation by one of the psychiatrist priests. You know that and I know that, but you insist on being retarded. There is no test that is independent of the whims of the priests.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  38. @gar manarnar

    Psychiatry was near being debunked when Rockefeller came along to resurrect it. His involvement with oil and the chemicals it can be coaxed to produce are what saved psychiatry.

    Rockefeller knew he had a new market for his products when the phony psychiatrists started prescribing mind altering petrochemical derived drugs that typically require constant use throughout a life time.

    Psychiatry is bullshit. Psychiatrists have destroyed the minds of people to become the school shooters with their chemical concoction prescriptions and all when there isn’t a single definitive unbiased test for any of the DSM bible’s ailment. These frauds need to be shut down.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  39. Dutch Boy says:

    Before he became well known as a Covid vaccine skeptic, Alex Berenson warned about the dangers of marijuana. It is not just linked to psychosis (bad enough) but also to violence in the hitherto non-violent.
    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/01/07/the-case-against-cannabis

  40. Sisifo says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    In fact science hasn’t been seen in public since 2019

    2019? You are such an optimist, science died well before that, now is just a religion with dogmas.

  41. Curle says:
    @gottlieb

    “ After decades witnessing folks who use cannabis for a number of reasons, I have never seen one crazy person.”

    You aren’t paying attention.

  42. Curle says:
    @Biff

    “ I can make the same argument that societal constraints cause psychosis”

    You can, but they’d be dumb arguments. The evidence that pot causes psychosis is overwhelming.

    • Replies: @Anon
  43. De-criminalizing marijuana is the right course to take because putting people in jail for long terms didn’t do anything to cure the problem. There’s no doubt that like alcohol, excessive consumption of Marijuana can lead to insanity, early-onset Alzheimers and cancer. I personally know people who smoke it to excess and they can’t keep steady employment, engage in steady relationships or do anything meaningful because of the paranoia, mood swings, depression and lethargy. I have also known alcoholics who have many of these same or similar symptoms. People lose themselves in drugs because of underlying problems in their life. People who have happy, normal, fulfilling lives have no time for smoking marijuana or drinking all the time, they find it interferes with their lives. Governments should tax marijuana like they tax the other vices and use the money to help people with drug problems.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  44. megabar says:
    @RoatanBill

    > I did address your argument which amounts to not wanting to pay for other people’s choices.

    It’s more than that. Societies always share things. Average productivity affects tax rates, quality of infrastructure, defense, ability to fund great works (NASA in its heyday, nationally funded research), and so on. There is no way to make up lost productivity with government policy.

    Furthermore, values are shared by societies. If pot is acceptable, I will encounter it more, and have a higher chance of having a loved one affected by it.

    Am I saying that I have to like everything that everyone does? No. I am saying that with every additional thing that I don’t like, this society becomes less suited to me. In isolation, I wouldn’t care too much about marijuana. As far as societal evils go, I rank it less harmful than alcohol, prescription opioids, or Critical Race Theory.

    But as part of the rush to embrace degeneracy, vice, ugliness, and falsehoods, I oppose it.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  45. megabar says:
    @Weaver

    > What about having it legal in some states, not in other states?

    In general, I view state nullification of Federal law, and thus a serious rise in state autonomy, to be a very good thing. It’s clear that the current US society does not satisfy everyone.

    If states began to offer real choices in different types of societies, people could move to the one that they like best, which will improve everyone’s quality of life. and defuse national tension.

    From there, we can determine if there’s any point in continuing as one nation, or if it’s better to break up peacefully.

    And yes, legality of recreational drugs would be a pretty big differentiator.

    • Agree: Weaver
  46. Apparently, none of you know anything about pot. Let me larn ya:

    1. Potheads never get anything done.
    2. Potheads are always, always, always irritable, except maybe for the first 15 minutes after they toke up.
    3. Potheads are always paranoid. Especially the ones who say they are not.

    Fine, let them take what they want. But make them stay in a room away from normal, all-American, respectable, god-fearing, hard-working citizens. And I mean that sincerely.

    • LOL: Notsofast
  47. @gottlieb

    true madness is spending a trillion dollars to modernize nukes.

  48. Curle says:
    @RoatanBill

    “ It’s none of your business as long as it doesn’t involve you.”

    The people most involved in opposing legalization are precisely those people very much affected by this drug, particularly in their need to carry, prop up, support and otherwise attend to the lack of self-support so characteristic of those on this drug, not to mention the damage they cause to others and the consequences of their psychotic outbursts.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  49. Right_On says:

    In my misspent youth, I tried most of the top-end psychedelics, like LSD.
    (Today I like to say: “I fell in with the wrong crowd”. It amuses me to think that, right now, somewhere on the other side of the country, an old miscreant colleague of mine is thinking of me and saying exactly the same thing to his new friends.)

    But the drug that always made me seriously paranoid was the “soft” drug, cannabis.

    The fact that I could handle the stronger hallucinogens makes me suspect that the undesirable effects of “pot” (as we used to quaintly call it) is down to our varied brain chemistry. Cannabis just doesn’t suit some of us. So I stopped using it.

  50. @megabar

    I see you’re going to keep coming up with more and more weak reasons, so I’ll leave you to them.

    It’s people like you that provide gov’t with its ability to keep squeezing and squeezing until there’s little left of society to like.

  51. @megabar

    “Everything (in your life) involves me….” There’s a summary of the problem with your attitude right there. Frightening.

  52. @The Anti-Gnostic

    And now you’re glad if net-tax-consumers die sooner from drug abuse because they’re net tax-consumers? You’re a kind, classy, and compassionate guy, you know that? Not at all a meanspirited, heartless control freak.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  53. @Mr. Turtle

    The total retail tax on marijuana in LA is more like 34.5%. Holders of a county-issued medical marijuana program card, which costs \$100 or more in some counties here — not a mere “doctor’s recommendation” itself — are exempt only from the 9.5% sales tax, I think, bringing their retail tax “down” to 25%.

    (Many other cities in LA County, such as Pasadena, Glendale, and Whittier, are now up to 10.25% sales tax. San Bernardino County towns usually “only” 7.75% sales tax. Etc.)

    As for the pot not being stronger, you may need to find a new dispensary 😉
    The pot pre-rolls that, um, “my friend” has been buying, are usually 20-26% THC.

    A person who allegedly becomes “psychotic” or, even less plausible, violent “because of pot”, already had a grave organic chemical brain disorder or other unusually severe psychological, personality, and character problem.

    California legalized only medical marijuana in 1996, implemented in 1997. They didn’t legalize marijuana for adults generally until 2016.

    Superb points about alcohol and the destructive influence of the glowing-screen addiction.

  54. Like something out of 1965. What a buffoon this fellow is. Has ANY drug EVER been banned out of existence? As even Hague realises, this is a health problem. Those with a susceptibility to harm will be harmed by dope, tobacco, alcohol and Rightwing ideology. All we can do is inform people and let them learn from experience, and treat those harmed. Perhaps Cockburn is on some drug cartel’s payroll, because banning only profits them.

  55. The notorious Cock-B, preaching about weed from behind 5 scotch and waters. Hey Cock? When the weed catches up with the millions or billions killed by liquor, tobacco, vaxxes and bioweapons and CIA-imported heroin and fentanyl, not to mention all the suicidal mental drugs peddled by modern society, AND blacks with unlimited authority to shoot Whites with impunity, we can talk. In the meantime I have to ask Patrick, what are you taking that enables such thought processes? If it comes in 6 packs, I want one. If there are smaller problems facing us today than weed I wanna hear it.

    We lost Anatoly Karlin and Andrei Martyanov to save room for this tripe from Notorious Cock-B? Thank gawd Hudson and company are still in business here. Sorry Patrick, you’re painting a picture of a fly on the windshield of a wreck in a junkyard. The fly ignores the wreck. So do you. So much easier to ignore the wreck while whining about the pot people smoke to tolerate the wreck your generation turned it all into. Shame. Not sure who’s the worst, boomers or the so-called Greatest Generation. I’m going with the GG giving 7 points.

  56. @Anon

    That certainly sounds suspect, just from first hand experience. Being stoned certainly never put me in the mood to commit violence. If anything, it did the complete opposite. But I have been in fights while under the influence of alcohol.

  57. Useful information, I had no idea it was as bad as this. I have a few friends in Canada I know dabble in this in cookies etc, no wonder they are all a bit mad.

  58. Baz says:

    Reading the comments, it occurs to me that if the gov could put in a potency guide it would address a number of concerns. Similar to the % of alcohol content in beer where it says on the label that it’s 4% alcohol for instance.

    If a level of cannabis potency could be specified then people could make an informed choice and feel safer in using the weed. After all no one would want to drink 20% alcohol content beer!

    That way users would feel safe that were not in danger of consuming high potency skunk when they were looking for a mild high from smoking or safer still, eating a low potency brownie.

    I realise it would make the brewing business worry about the competition but I’m sure they have the resources to get into the intoxication business themselves. Wait aren’t they in it already?

  59. @RoatanBill

    I don’t think many people from Portugal were in Vietnam or anywhere else like that.

    I’ve been to Portugal and it is a pretty laid back place with nice people and if they are going off their rockers 29 times more regularly than was usual 15 years ago I’m pretty sure there must be some link to cannabis in their figures and if the VA people are using cannabis as well then surely a large chunk of their problems could actually be down to using cannabis to try to deaden their memories.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  60. Psychosis isn’t quantifiable.
    MIC DROP.

  61. @Joe Paluka

    In the past a lot of high achievers, respectable and productive members of society capable of keeping a job down and advancing their careers were serious drinkers and even alcoholics. It was also common and acceptable to drink at work, from the shop floor to the senior management’s offices, and during lunch breaks, and also to drive around under the influence. The same applied to a minority of drug addicts who had a steady supply of drugs and knew how to use them safely. Some of the best journalists and authors were alcoholics.

    Alcohol and drugs influence different people differently. There are people who when drunk become mellow, friendly and sociable, and others who become antisocial, enraged, violent and act completely out of character and when they sober up they completely forget what they have done. Alcohol use can cause blackouts where you actually have episodes of amnesia; I am sure that someone could even commit a murder while drunk and when sober have no recollection of it whatsoever.

  62. Turbo says:
    @anonymous

    Your being stupid on purpose. Drugs are introduced to you thru everything. Let alone alcohol and tobacco, the 2 most addictive consumer gold mines for the rich. Oh, sugar too, and salt. Incredibly harmful causing diabetes and heart issues.

    Be smart. Think for yourself.

  63. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:

    My personal experience, it makes you stupid and is addictive. Going to Univ, smoke was everywhere and I was there for engineering, could not afford to screw up….time and money and my future at stake. Needed counseling to quit, that was fif ty years ago.

  64. Vincent says:

    There is more to “weed” than just getting high, and more and more medical studies are proving this.
    I use it to keep pain at bay after I destroyed my back from working my ass off for forty years.
    CBD…… The miracle ingredient of that evil weed has allowed me to stay the hell away from the garbage my doctor prescribed for pain.
    I use a vape pen with precise temp settings. The benefits are far and away better than the crap the doctor ordered.. No blood thinning, no depression, no regrets.
    This ain’t the sixties, times have changed and people are more enlightened.. Well except maybe for you..

  65. @Proximaking

    I don’t doubt that people use alcohol or drugs to deaden their physical pains or their mental anguish. Let them as long as they don’t hurt anyone else due to their inebriation. As far as I’m concerned, heroin should be sold over the counter in drug stores as it once was, so that people could use it as it once was or kill themselves if that’s what they choose to do. No one has the right to tell someone else how they must live their lives. Everyone has the right to protect themselves and that includes deadly force.

    In the US, the gov’t tries to micromanage everything. There are people offended by just about everything and they want to control what everyone does. They lobby for more and more onerous laws that give more power to the Karens of the world. It’s an ever expanding cycle of more and more oppression.

    There is a no way for anyone to KNOW why a person did something antisocial. It could be a reaction to a drug, or it could be something else. It’s the convenient association of pot to Psychosis that has me thinking it’s a Karen making the connection not because there’s any smoking gun proof but because the Karen just is anti pot and making a bogus connection aids his/her goal.

    Please see my comment 41 for why I think that psychiatry is a monumental fraud and no one should be listening to their priests about anything.

  66. @Curle

    The people most opposed to legalization are those making money off the current system. If there were no illicit drug trade, then all the prisons, guards, cops, prosecutors, judges, etc now involved with this manufactured illegality would be out of a job.

    BTW – I don’t want drugs legalized. I want drugs ignored under law, neither legal or illegal. All drugs, prescription, legal and illicit should be as prominent in law as are cabbages, that is to say ignored. As soon as the law mentions something, it becomes a political football with people making money off both ends of the debate.

    I suspect that people that want to zone out have mental issues just because they want to zone out. I can’t imagine not being in control of my mind and body, so taking drugs or alcohol to inebriation levels is something I can’t understand.

    While in high school, I was the frozen food manager at a supermarket. The dairy manager hired someone my age to help him out. All of a sudden we were getting returned cans of whipped cream because they contained no gas propellant. We complained to the manufacturer but their retort was that our store was the only one having an issue. I stumbled upon the new hire unconscious in my -40 degree frozen food freezer with a can of whipped cream next to him. He was sucking the nitrous oxide out of the cans to get high.

    At the same supermarket, I knew a guy we would shoot pool with on a Friday night. Sober, he was a good pool player. Drunk, he was unbeatable; he would run table after table while smoking cigarette after cigarette. Walking to work one freezing and snowing New York morning, I discovered a body under a blanket of snow lying on the sidewalk. It was the pool player so stoned he couldn’t move on his own. I dragged his sorry ass to the store.

    I think these people are mentally unstable for wanting what is clearly detrimental to their existence, but I’m not going to tell them how to run their lives by demanding the legal system do something according to my wishes as opposed to theirs.

    Should we ban canned whipped cream?

  67. This is total BS; ” just as scientists conclusively prove the link between cannabis and psychosis”.

    Articles like the one above are no more than a Hit-Pieces by morons. Scientist have not proven this one way or the other, because psychiatry is not a science you idiots, and that is what they are trying to convince you of. They want you to believe they are basing their assumptions on the scientific method, but here is no way to quantify any of their ridiculous assumptions about what they observe.

    I have been taking medical Cannabis for about six years every night for medical issues and I am not psychotic by any stretch of the imagination. Articles like the one above are used the same as they have always used and is why America has allowed itself to be locked down like mental slaves of the self righteous controllers who are pissed that the cannabis industry is making billions of dollars and the drug companies don’t get a penny of it.

    What they are attempting to do is exactly what Hitler did in the lead up to WW-II with Joseph Goebbles spreading lies to manipulate the people about how the Jews were the enemy.

    YOU ARE BEING LIED TO MY FRIENDS, DO NOT BUY INTO THEIR BS !!

  68. I taught in the 90s and I am teaching again now. There is a huge and noticeable difference between my undergrads that smoke Marijuana and those that don’t or do so occasionally in social situations. The ones that smoke daily or often are…retarded. Teaching them is near impossible.

    Idiocy is rampant already culturally in America, and Marijuana is only making things worse.

    It was already prevalent in the 90s with middle class and upper middle class white kids but it has extended to middle class Latin and Asian kids now.

    I dare anyone to attempt to teach a semi-retarded arrogant stoned 18-20 year old child the Euthyphro Dilemna lol and expect them to write even a page about it lol

    The few good ones that still remain don’t touch it or rarely do, and when they get serious about their studies they completely drop it.

    Between atheism, talmudism, hollow-hoax studies, negro-worship, SJWism, feminism, homosexuality, and normalizing drugs like Marijuana–the future looks bleak. Our children are very literally being dumbed down and indoctrinated from the cradle. Some of my pothead students have lower intellectual capability than a bright German Shepherd.

    The violent negro kids and the belligerent white ones are always potheads. They are the one that get physical with professors. I am lucky because my wrestling and kickboxing background from own youth is known so the scumbags fear me in that respect. The scumbag kids are always Marijuana users though.

  69. Whatever
    Same song, different lyrics.
    Like a broken record player, a young ignorant writer discovers the socialist drivel again and regurgitates the mantra of the goofy politicized war on drugs .

  70. In 2021 going to work every day at your job for Amazon or Walmart can induce psychosis so it seems quite the challenge to set up a proper double blind experiment for this hypothesis.

    I love Dale Pendell’s take on cannabis which he took from another old time hippy.

    Smoking a little can make you more wise but smoking a lot can turn you into a donkey.

  71. Sanlotano says:
    @RoatanBill

    Actually when these people end up disproportionately using Medicaid and Medicare because of mental health issues provoked by cannabis use it is my business as a taxpayer.

    Lolbergtarians don’t seem to make these connections.

    There is more and more evidence the cannabis use is linked to heart disease as well.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  72. @Sanlotano

    You apparently believe the rhetoric. There is no verifiable proof for any of the DSM conditions. That is a fact. When some psychiatrist priest claims there is, he is stating his worthless opinion that is self serving to keep him in a lucrative yet fraudulent business. Your first mistake is believing a charlatan.

    Your second mistake is blaming the policies of gov’t that steal your money and then distribute it to others that never earned it on those recipients. Medicare and Medicaid recipients are simply accepting what is on offer. They didn’t invent the policy. Your gripe is with the original theft of your wealth.

    So, your outrage is based on a lie and then you fail to blame the responsible party. That’s pretty shallow thinking on your part.

    See my comment 41 for a short introduction to the fraud that is psychiatry.

  73. I’ve had some personal experience that suggests there may be some validity to the notion that marijuana causes serious mental issues.

    I grew up in Berkeley, California in the Sixties and Seventies. Later in life, I noticed that the outcomes for the kids from the old neighborhood seemed pretty poor. Thinking it through, I have some knowledge of what happened to six of them, in the end.

    [MORE]

    One committed suicide in late adolescence.

    Two died in their early forties — in ways that weren’t technically suicide, but suggest a decided death wish. One was an alcoholic: I’m not sure thats precisely what killed him, but…

    The other returned to his old haunts in Uganda where he had been a Peace Corps worker, deliberately chose to not take his malaria medication, contracted a fatal strain of malaria, and died.

    Another was last sighted living alone, in an apartment in East Oakland.

    Another decidedly has a screw loose…but then, he always did, so I won’t count him.

    Another is actually reasonably successful in life…financially. Interpersonally is another matter. But then, that describes a lot of people, so I won’t count him either.

    So out of six, four have suffered inarguably unsatisfactory life outcomes, and neither of the remaining two have lives I would choose. While some may have fathered children I don’t know about, I’m only aware of one child between the six. In the most fundamental sense possible, these were not successful outcomes. The subjects tend to die early, unhappily, and without progeny.

    I noticed this trend long ago, and attributed it to what can only be described as the total cultural collapse of ordinary life in the Berkeley of the Sixties and Seventies; it wasn’t a place to raise children. But then, I read about the marijuana connection. Every one of the people I mentioned smoked massive amounts of marijuana throughout adolescence; daily, as many as thirteen joints at a time.

    No kidding. I saw it; at times I was there. As it happened, I found myself removed from that environment a great deal of the time — something I resented, and that really was pretty awful, but it did keep me from consuming anything like that much marijuana.

    And I have had three children, and am still married to my first first wife, and comfortably retired in Oregon, and have friends ‘n stuff. Garden, go fishing, engage in right-wing rants on the internet…

    So, reduced marijuana — okay outcome. Add sufficient marijuana — results worsen. Your own experience may vary, of course.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Emslander
  74. When it comes to drugs and psychosis amphetamines are the worst for it. Amphetamine psychosis is real and can be extremely severe. Yet amphetamines were widely legally used by women as slimming pills in the old days before they were made illegal. LSD can induce schizophrenia in some cases.

  75. Dan Hayes says:

    Patrick,
    Glad to see that you have joined up with Peter Hitchens regarding cannabis acceptance/legalization, or was it PH joining you?

  76. @RoatanBill

    Oh great, a video with the word “Truth” in the corner . . now I’m convinccd!

    • LOL: Realist
  77. @RoatanBill

    What you are talking about is pharmacology, not psychology / psychiatry. As in every other field of medicine, there are those that use drugs to cover for a lack of skill and experience.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  78. Cheech says:

    Article should have been titled:

    “REEFER MADNESS 2021!”

    -return of the spliff

  79. @gar manarnar

    Pharmacology at least has some basis in physical reality.

    Psychology, psychiatry, sociology, anthropology and some other disciplines are just made up by the priests in their respective religions. These are fields that don’t have to prove what they say is true. They just state things and the dolts take them at their word.

    There are lots of these fraudulent “professions” screwing up the world with their nonsense. Economics is probably the king of bullshit and has done the most damage over time. Other things like archaeology are just a complete waste of resources where their priests interpret what they find after grave robbing to spin an interesting story with little to nothing of substance backing up their yarn. Then we get cosmology that invents ever more phantoms to keep their big bang propped up just a while longer so they can retire before their fraud is exposed.

    Huge portions of what’s taught in schools is outright nonsense and then we get people with degrees in said nonsense demanding they get respect and listened to because they have been awarded a degree by their priesthood. That’s why we are in the trouble the world is experiencing now. Too many frauds demanding we respect their bogus authority, and it all started with religion, the longest running con in history.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  80. @RoatanBill

    As I understand it, the test provides a score, and the score determines the likelihood of psychosis. The interpretation (i.e., the meaning of a given score) was already agreed upon when the test questions were created, and were found to predict the condition known as psychosis. Thus, for example, if the test predicts a weak likelihood of psychosis, a doctor cannot simply re-interpret the result on a whim – namely, because each result has, roughly speaking, an agreed upon meaning, the same way that, say, physicists agree on the value of the gravitational constant.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  81. @RoatanBill

    Then we get cosmology that invents ever more phantoms to keep their big bang propped up just a while longer so they can retire before their fraud is exposed.

    Wow. So now you’re going to have a go at the Big Bang. Rage on!

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  82. @RadicalCenter

    I’ve got plenty of people to take care of. I could take even better care of them if sentimental saps like you didn’t vote for “compassion” for strangers with other people’s money.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @RadicalCenter
  83. @gar manarnar

    You’re describing consensus and consensus isn’t proof of anything. All it means is that a cabal has decided to assert their decision as true when it isn’t proven to be so. Their tests are largely all subjective.

    The gravitational constant is assumed to be constant throughout the universe. That is an assumption that works for the local environment but there’s no proof that it isn’t something else somewhere else. To some extent, this is also consensus, but it is derived via reality based measurements using instruments that have no agenda.

    Science becomes fraud when, for example, cosmologists claim they see a black hole or a neutron star.

    • Replies: @Realist
  84. @gar manarnar

    The Big Bang, invented by Abbe Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian priest, to meld his religion to his astronomic interests, is a mathematical extrapolation back in time assuming that red shift equates to distance, something invented and championed by Edwin Hubble.

    Halton Arp, Hubble’s protege, single-handedly showed that Red Shift is quantised via visual observations of galactic bodies and disproved Hubble’s assertion although the cosmological community steadfastly refuses to accept Arp’s research and went so far as to limit his telescope time and eventually hounded him out of the US to Germany, where he died.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  85. Old age says:

    My daughter suffers from psychosis due to the weed. See has to smoke a joint before she even makes a cig in the morning. And so it goes all day long. I get getting a buzz after work or on weekends but there is no way she can be copping a bus.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  86. Right_On says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    People aged 65 and over . . . want to lower their lifespans with drug use, or just intoxicate themselves into an amiable, geriatric fugue, I’m fine with that as well.

    Curiously, Ernst Jünger, a hero of the dissident right, argued that drugs should remain illegal for the young – who still have to pursue a career, raise a family, and otherwise contribute to society – but that the elderly (who are not long for this world, anyway) should be free to take whatever drugs they liked.

    Jünger was one of the first to sup from the lysergic acid cup – he was a friend of Albert Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who first synthesized (and ingested) LSD – but he later became disillusioned with acid’s potential after unwashed, undisciplined hippies took to championing the stuff.

  87. Berny6 says:

    No, smoking high-potency marijuana is not any more dangerous than the old school lower-potency stuff. In fact, it’s better because you don’t have to smoke as much to get high, so there is less carbon monoxide and other toxins to be exposed to. In smoking weed, you smoke until you are high, then you stop, unlike drinking where people can just go on and on. It’s nice to only have to inhale 3 or 4 times as opposed to the old days where you might have to smoke two joints to get where you want.

    The danger with high-potency marijuana is when it is eaten, because you can easily get more than you need, and then you have problems. The closest I ever came to thinking I should go to the hospital was when I ate some marijuana brownies years ago. As a result, I only smoke it now.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  88. As a retired LEO I can attest that marijuana is much preferable to alcohol from a law enforcement point of view,
    There are many medicinal uses for marijuana and have helped many elderly patients with pain and other ailments and many children with seizures.
    It is still illegal because our government makes a lot of money off it. However, now someone can use Marijuana in one state while 10 miles over in another their lives are ruined. This is tyranny and must be corrected.

  89. @Old age

    And she is a perfect example of one who requires health intervention. Cultures like India, where the weed has been smoked and otherwise consumed for millennia have learned how to consume it more or less safely. One could start by attempting to prevent young people and children from smoking, as their brains are still growing and differentiating. You cannot disappear any drug, just limit its harms, and promote any benefits that their use may bring.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  90. @Berny6

    I used to love the strong stuff; not to be taken outdoors or in public. Two or three puffs then lie on the floor and stare at the ceiling all day long. Immovable. Lying on the bed wasn’t good enough; had to get down on the floor. The thing with drugs, as for alcohol, is tolerance. After a long break the first hit really gets you. Then if you keep on smoking, after a few days it’s just like smoking cigarettes, the buzz is minimal and you can carry on doing whatever you’re doing with no impairment. Same with alcohol: after a long break just one beer can have your head spinning but if you continue drinking a considerable quantity every day it becomes just like consuming water, although the damage to internal organs may be unnoticeable for a long time. All those hard drinkers taking pride in how they can hold their drink – real suckers for punishment. All illicit drugs, alcohol included, have some medicinal properties but can also be dangerous.

    “All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison.” or “The dose makes the poison” – Paracelsus

  91. BuelahMan says:

    Great. Just what we need. Another 70+ year old who has never tried cannabis, trying desperately to explain to people who use it regularly that they will end up psychos.

    Just like virtually every other subject the cock writes about, just more shit to throw and spread without any real knowledge.

    Tell us more about how bad America is, dickcool.

  92. JessicaR says:

    1. The fact that psychosis *emerges* after heavy marijuana use does not prove that weed caused it. There is some evidence that the conditions for schizophrenia are set up in the womb through a combination of genetics and prenatal environment–like exposure to a virus, for example.

    A person drawn to heavy marijuana use may already have the pre-existing conditions in his or her brain and may be trying to self-medicate an uncomfortable condition. While it is possible that marijuana may hasten onset or exacerbate it, it seems unlikely to be the sole cause.

    2. Even so, it is probably better to avoid marijuana unless one has a medical condition in which the benefits of the drug offset the risks.

  93. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Science becomes fraud when, for example, cosmologists claim they see a black hole or a neutron star.

    The term fraud implies the intent to deceive. Cosmologists may well interpret their observations as black holes or neutron stars. Most admit that there are serious problems with the physics and math of black holes and neutron stars in addition to other parts of cosmology. None of that lends validity to the Electric Universe Theory.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  94. Anon[686] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curle

    “The evidence that pot causes psychosis is overwhelming”

    Wrong! There are no written documents that says Cannabis “Causes” Psychosis, NONE! It’s always. “maybe”, “might”, “casual link”, etc.!

  95. Hilarious. Everyone on Unz is some sort of traditionalist who accepts limits (often drastic) upon individual behavior (“No humping dark women or Asians!”) But come after their weed … lol

  96. @Realist

    There isn’t a shred of physical evidence for black holes and the entire menagerie of unicorns that cosmology has invented out of nothing over the last several decades.

    That some of their practitioners have purposely doctored photographs of luminous bridges connecting celestial bodies and have hounded Halton Arp out of the profession for him daring to photograph peculiar galaxies and writing up his findings shows clear intent to defraud the public IMO.

    • Replies: @Realist
  97. JimDandy says:
    @anonymous

    Good luck trying to tell a weedhead any of this. Weed is their infallible god drug and they are better than us.

  98. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    There isn’t a shred of physical evidence for black holes and the entire menagerie of unicorns that cosmology has invented out of nothing over the last several decades.

    They are conjectures…not proofs. As I said many cosmologists have stated that there are problems with some aspects of cosmology.

    That some of their practitioners have purposely doctored photographs of luminous bridges connecting celestial bodies and have hounded Halton Arp out of the profession for him daring to photograph peculiar galaxies and writing up his findings shows clear intent to defraud the public IMO.

    I see no evidence that photos were doctored or that Arp was hounded out of the profession. I keep up on astronomy, astrophysics, and cosmology….since the physics part of my chemistry/physics degree was strongly toward astrophysics.

  99. @RoatanBill

    So Arp had a theory, it seems as if some of it could be valid, but it can’t be confirmed or rejected with modern instruments . .

    https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0506366
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0603169.pdf

    Where’s the problem? By the way, a much better example of a ‘cabal’ would have been the case of Semmelweiss and the germ theory . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

    In fact, his case seems a lot like the one we were discussing regarding cannabis and psychosis; At this point most people want to believe that cannabis is some kind of miracle drug that cures everything . . and it’s a \$17 billion dollar / year business!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  100. @gar manarnar

    You have missed the importance of Halton Arp’s work entirely. His accomplishment was to show via photographic and other evidence that Red Shift does not equate to distance. He showed that Red Shift is quantised and there is a non distance component to Red Shift.

    His other theories right or wrong are largely small potatoes considering the Red Shift not equating to distance means Big Bang is dead. Big Bang has had one foot in the grave for years, if not decades, and had the community acknowledged his findings, they would all have been looking for new jobs. That’s why they had to prevent him from publishing and had to get rid of him.

    If you would have watched the two parts of the video I referenced that message should have become clear to you. I’m done baby sitting you.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  101. Cannabis is habit-forming for many people. It can be an expensive habit. So if you’ve never tried it, you might be better off if you don’t. Other than that, no big deal.

    • Replies: @Sean
  102. emma todd says:

    The Canadian government on their website says men should not use if they “wish” to have children. The reason is risk of fertility issues, testicular cancer, sperm morphology, DNA damage, and yet the same government legalized for 18 years of age and older. This will come back to them as more young men face fertility issues, and ask why the government, knowing this information did not warn them or keep the drug out of the hands of commercial enterprise, JB is a fool and a greedy one at that.

  103. Emslander says:
    @RoatanBill

    Like I say, go in a mental facility of the VA and inquire a bit. I have. The majority of those suffering from chronic psychoses imbibed marijuana.

    We don’t have the large percentage of combat-caused PTSD cases that we had after the Gulf War or Vietnam. It’s been the accepted use of marijuana among the troops.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  104. Emslander says:
    @Colin Wright

    I grew up in Berkeley, California in the Sixties and Seventies.

    I was in Berkeley from 1969-1974 and I very well remember that marijuana was EVERYWHERE. Some of my classmates started using it in graduate school and I can tell you that they simply “slip-slided away”.

  105. @Emslander

    The majority of those suffering from chronic psychoses imbibed marijuana.

    The majority of those suffering from chronic psychoses imbibed water also.

    A researcher was running an experiment concerning frogs.
    He put a frog on the starting line and fired a pistol to startle the frog to jump.
    The frog jumped 4 feet.
    He cut off one of the frog’s legs.
    He put a frog on the starting line and fired a pistol to startle the frog to jump.
    The frog jumped 3 feet.
    He cut off one of the frog’s legs.
    He put a frog on the starting line and fired a pistol to startle the frog to jump.
    The frog jumped 2 feet.
    He cut off one of the frog’s legs.
    He put a frog on the starting line and fired a pistol to startle the frog to jump.
    The frog jumped 1 foot.
    He cut off the only remaining frog’s leg.
    He put a frog on the starting line and fired a pistol to startle the frog to jump.
    The frog didn’t jump.

    Conclusion, the frog is deaf.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Colin Wright
  106. @RoatanBill

    He showed that Red Shift is quantized and there is a non distance component to Red Shift.

    . . and, as I said, his result can not be confirmed or rejected using modern instruments (Sloan Digital Sky Survey and 2dF QSO Redshift Survey) . . not that this had anything to do with cannabis and psychosis.

  107. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Not strangers, but fellow Christians.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  108. Sean says:
    @gutta percha

    For most people, yes. But just as some get cancer from exposure to some substances that the vast majority are more or less unaffected by, should it be legal once we know there is good evidence it does serious damage to a non-trivial proportion of users, and some that it ruins their life along with their parents’?

    Cannabis intoxication can produce a condition indistinguishable from schizophrenia. Who chain smokes weed? Well some do, and maybe they were some way along that psychosis road already, but the selling pre-rolled cannabis joints makes it easy to use them like cigarettes. (though I have seen people virtually chain smoke rolling their own). The weed today is of unprecedentedly high potency, and profitability. It’s a big deal to those making a fortune of it, but they do not pay for the treatment necessary for some users.

  109. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Chester

    Cannabis poses no threat at all to you.

    Because you’re an idiot. There needs to be something there to be ravaged.

    And if you ever said “OK Boomer” in my presence you’d be an unconscious idiot.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  110. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    This is ironic. You dipshits keep citing reefer madness and I realize that over time the dynamic has shifted 180 degrees: now the delusion and exaggeration is all on the pro-pot side.

    The man cited studies:

    “Numerous prospective studies have shown that cannabis use carries an increased risk of later schizophrenic-like psychosis,” says an article by Sir Robin Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King’s College London and Wayne Hall of the National Centre for Youth Substance Use Research at the University of Queensland. They cite a study showing that, though Portugal is held up as a pioneer in dealing with drugs, the rate of hospitalisation for psychotic disorders has increased 29-fold since decriminalisation 15 years ago. Another study calculates that between 30 per cent and 50 per cent of new cases of psychosis in London and Amsterdam would not have occurred if the individual affected had not been smoking high-potency cannabis.

    I don’t know if he’s right. But I know you’re all wrong. For the record, “harmless” doesn’t mean “something I like”. Grow the fuck up. I know from personal experience it’s at the very least a drag on one’s energy and concentration if used regularly. With the higher potency weed readily available and no shame attached any more to, say, getting high in the middle of the day, it’s entirely possible this is happening.

  111. Bro43rd says:
    @gottlieb

    Cockburn has done exactly like the cigarette makers back in the day, only use the “studies” that prove his point. By far schizophrenia & similar mental disorders are genetically driven, just as most disease is. The researchers make the common mistake of correlation is not causation.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  112. It’s really not good to smoke anything in the context of pulmonary health and that’s pretty empirical.

    It is also very ironic that California, the state that requires cancer warning labels on everything from dildos to drill bits, is pushing legal weed so heavily.

  113. Emslander says:
    @RoatanBill

    Your post is proof of the well-know phenomenon involving discussions on the legalization of pot:

    If anyone tries to assert the clear evidence that pot is a dangerous drug that causes lifetime damage to those who use it, the pot-smokers rise up in unified insanity and meet everything you say with unvarnished gibberish.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @RoatanBill
  114. @The Anti-Gnostic

    I don’t think you know me or have bothered reading my comments. Please try again. And to be fair, maybe I will go back and read yours and get to know your outlook better as well.

    There are many millions of “net tax-consumers” who are good, honest, patriotic, and even industrious people trying their best. They don’t deserve to be lumped in with people who are simply chronically lazy and out to take advantage of the rest of us through government coercion (“publicly approved theft and violence”) or through private crime.

    Having said that, I’ll agree wholeheartedly that we shouldn’t be importing tens of millions more people — whatever their race, religion, color, religion — who are extremely likely to remain net tax-consumers for their entire lives. And we should deport any non-citizens who have proven to be net tax-consumers.

    Doubt you’ve got more mouths to feed than we do, but I do sincerely wish safety, health, and liberty for your children and mine. People like my children will need people like your children, and vice versa, in the times that are being brought down upon us b totalitarians and misfits.

    And FWIW, I’ve never voted for a Democrat for any office in my life. Perhaps shouldn’t have voted for most of the Republicans either, but I’m recovering from that 😉

    Breathe free, live free, and resist, my fellow crotchety American.

  115. @Corvinus

    Well now, many millions of the chronically lazy and parasitical population are not, in fact, Christians. And I don’t care whether some of them claim to be, either.

    Christianity can be used to make people kinder, more generous, and temper our ever-present base and evil impulses. But as we have seen, Christianity can also effectively be invoked to induce a suicidal level of naivete, as in the importation of tens of millions of relatively unintelligent, low-skilled, and/or culturally/linguistically incompatible people into our former country.

    In other words, “Christianity” can be useful as a means of getting us to favor the interests of strangers OVER those of our own families and countrymen. Hell no to that.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    , @Corvinus
  116. @mulga mumblebrain

    Fervently agree that people should not use marijuana, smoked or vaped or edible or whatever, while they are still growing and developing. It should probably be the adult’s own free choice at age 21, but it’s a particularly unwise choice because of possible developmental effects until age 25 at least. I did smoke well before that age but wish that I had not.

  117. @RoatanBill

    ‘The majority of those suffering from chronic psychoses imbibed water also.’

    Of course, there’s no sample of non-water drinkers to compare them to.

    Happily, there is a population of non-marijuana users to compare marijuana users to. We could even compare otherwise identical individuals and see if marijuana might be having an effect!

    But I imagine you’d rather we didn’t.

    This gets tedious. People don’t want to know the truth; they just cook up some rationale that allows them to keep believing whatever they want to believe. Denying global warming is one example; you are providing us with another.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @RoatanBill
  118. I have known several young men whose lives were ruined by pot. The phrase “gone to pot” was coined years ago because of the clear evidence that daily pot use destroys IQ n ambition. These people end up with suicidal depression, poverty, unemployment, inability to think, paranoia, n often other drug use, including tobacco.

    Recently a new bad effect has been identified: Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. This is when daily pot use triggers daily violent vomiting. Pot users, as always unable to think clearly, believe that since pot is a “medicine”, they should smoke more pot to stop the vomiting. But pot is the cause of the vomiting, so it never improves. And yes people are dying from the Syndrome. They have a serious drug addiction that they can’t shake, so don’t tell me that pot never killed anyone, that’s not true.

    Marijuana makes one into a passive political n corporate victim. The state wants you stupid n stoned, while enriching the coffers of globalist corporations, n the tax revenues of politicians who will be more than happy when your drug use finally puts you six feet under.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  119. @Emslander

    ‘If anyone tries to assert the clear evidence that pot is a dangerous drug that causes lifetime damage to those who use it, the pot-smokers rise up in unified insanity and meet everything you say with unvarnished gibberish.’

    I suspect marijuana’s probably alright — later in life, used in moderation.

    What I object to is the faddish notion that it’s good and good for you. Really, our attitude towards it should be about like it is towards alcohol: we know perfectly well it’s possible to abuse alcohol, and in a thousand ways, imply that people should think about the situation if they find themselves stowing away a lot of it, all the time. We certainly don’t smile indulgently at fifteen year olds who are hopelessly drunk by three in the afternoon every day.

    ‘Medical marijuana’ dispensaries? Implying it’s some kind of health treatment? No — like literally anything that can significantly alter your mental state, there are potential dangers.

    At this stage at least, I’d be averse to mounting a ‘war on marijuana.’ I would, however, publicize the idea that used at a young age, and/or to excess, it seems to have ill effects. But no — people will almost hysterically insist it is and must be unconditionally just fine.

    I doubt it. What evidence I’ve seen suggests otherwise.

  120. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Bro43rd

    Have you heard of this cool “Google” thing?

    Environmental risk factors such as pregnancy and birth complications, childhood trauma, migration, social isolation, urbanicity, and substance abuse, alone and in combination, acting at a number of levels over time, influence the individual’s likelihood to develop the disorder.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31522306/

    Not that you need it to assume researchers at top universities understand the correlation/causation problem at least as much as we do.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  121. Corvinus says:
    @Dennis Dale

    “And if you ever said “OK Boomer” in my presence you’d be an unconscious idiot.“

    You would be in jail, Boomer.

  122. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Well now, many millions of the chronically lazy and parasitical population are not, in fact, Christians.”

    Debatable.

    “But as we have seen, Christianity can also effectively be invoked to induce a suicidal level of naivete, as in the importation of tens of millions of relatively unintelligent, low-skilled, and/or culturally/linguistically incompatible people into our former country.”

    You mean like those immigrants from Ireland and Germany in the 1840’s and 1950’s? You mean like those immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe from 1890-1920? They were also characterized by nativists as inherently possessing those traits. That is, those undesirable characteristics could not be bred out. So, what changed? Magic dirt?

    “In other words, “Christianity” can be useful as a means of getting us to favor the interests of strangers OVER those of our own families and countrymen.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  123. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Maybe, but you’d still be a pussy anonymous troll. That never goes away.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  124. @Emslander

    No one has shown that smoking pot causes harm beyond other vices because there is no physical medical evidence for that conclusion and because psychiatry is a fraud not to be trusted.

    I’m not a pot smoker. I’ve never partaken of any illicit drugs in my life. I got stinking drunk (Southern Comfort) when I was about 19 and that was the last time I got anywhere near innebriated.

    I come to my position from several perspectives. No one has the right to tell another person what they may consume, may not consume, must do, may not do, etc as long as they harm no one else. I don’t care what happens to dopers and drunks. Prohibition was tried even at a Constitutional level and it was a disaster. The last several decades are just a repeat of that disaster the only difference being the gov’t and corporations make money from incarcerating people, the intel agencies use their drug running to fund their black ops projects and the various gov’ts get to employ drug warriors that haven’t made a dent in the drug problem in at least 50 years and therefore are a waste of tax dollars. All the people employed in any way with drug prohibition are really welfare recipients with a do nothing job.

    The gov’t realized that there was a fortune in liquor for the bootleggers, so they decided to get into the drug business by attempting to restrict competition which drives up the price, so drug prohibition becomes a huge money maker and control point over society. Ask yourself what costs the most, the occasional doper’s medical bill or the thousands of highly paid people involved in the faux drug war who get paid every single day, along with all the ships, airplanes and other gear they use, their medical benefits, pensions, etc.

    If the gov’t wanted to get rid of drug use, they would poison the supply since they control a huge portion of it, giving ample notice of their intent to warn all the dopers. Gov’t policy towards Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc proves beyond doubt that they don’t give a shit about human life, including the morons that volunteer to become killers via the US military. If a few thousand dopers dropped dead in Cleveland and the following day another thousand dropped dead in Tampa, the use of drugs would plummet. The gov’t desperately needs dopers to have their war on drugs fraud. Instead of providing emergency room services for dopers that overdose, simply change the rules that dopers that are in the process of dying won’t be worked on.

    Your position is largely that you don’t want to pay for their care. I don’t want to pay for them either. The solution to that minor problem is to simply stop doing that. If people want to commit suicide, let them. Offering to treat them should they overdose provides them with an insurance policy that can only be a perverse incentive to do drugs. It’s the gov’ts policy, not the dopers, to steal from you to give to them, but you ignore that and instead want to tell people how to live their lives because that’s what christians do.

    BTW – If you want gibberish, read your bible.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
  125. @Colin Wright

    You can compare whatever you like. If there were some physical test or injury that the majority of pot smokers suffer from, I still wouldn’t want the gov’t to force them to stop, as it’s none of anyone’s business. People know that smoking cigarettes causes all manner of harm and no one is trying to eliminate cigarettes. The reason for that is it’s a huge profit opportunity and the gov’t gets their cut via outrageous taxes, fines for the tobacco industry and the opportunity to regulate them. Liquor kills thousands every year and it’s perfectly legal because the gov’t gets its cut. The US military kills thousands every year and their activities are not only legal, but the killers are thanked for their service and DOD budgets dwarf anything else you can name.

    Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
    H. L. Mencken

    It has been observed that one’s nose is never so happy as when it is thrust into the affairs of another, from which some physiologists have drawn the inference that the nose is devoid of the sense of smell.
    Ambrose Bierce

    BTW – very few people deny climate change because it happens in long cycles as geology records. Sometimes temperatures go up and sometimes they go down. There’s a theory that states global warming is the prelude to an ice age. (John D. Hamaker – The Survival of Civilization) The world is way overdue for extreme cold if previous cycles are to be given any credence. We are in solar cycle 25 and the projections have it with minimal sun spot activity which is a leading signal that cold is on the way given prior history.

    My guess is that you have minimal acquaintance with STEM education that isn’t mostly theoretic naval gazing.

    What intelligent people object to is blaming a trace gas, CO2, for warming. The climate frauds couldn’t blame water vapor, an admittedly much more powerful greenhouse “gas”, because there’s no way to profit from clouds. CO2 was picked because people generate it as a by product of life itself and industry emits it. It’s the perfect thing to target as a money making opportunity.

    No matter if the science of global warming is all phony … climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.
    Christine Stewart (Former Canadian Minister Of The Environment)

    Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t that our responsibility to bring about?
    Maurice Strong – Founder Of The UN Environmental Program

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  126. @Colin Wright

    You can compare whatever you like. If there were some physical test or injury that the majority of pot smokers suffer from, I still wouldn’t want the gov’t to force them to stop, as it’s none of anyone’s business. People know that smoking cigarettes causes all manner of harm and no one is trying to eliminate cigarettes. The reason for that is it’s a huge profit opportunity and the gov’t gets their cut via outrageous taxes, fines for the tobacco industry and the opportunity to regulate them. Liquor kills thousands every year and it’s perfectly legal because the gov’t gets its cut. The US military kills thousands every year and their activities are not only legal, but the killers are thanked for their service and DOD budgets dwarf anything else you can name.

    Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
    H. L. Mencken

    It has been observed that one’s nose is never so happy as when it is thrust into the affairs of another, from which some physiologists have drawn the inference that the nose is devoid of the sense of smell.
    Ambrose Bierce

    BTW – very few people deny climate change because it happens in long cycles as geology records. Sometimes temperatures go up and sometimes they go down. There’s a theory that states global warming is the prelude to an ice age. (John D. Hamaker – The Survival of Civilization) The world is way overdue for extreme cold if previous cycles are to be given any credence. We are in solar cycle 25 and the projections have it with minimal sun spot activity which is a leading signal that cold is on the way given prior history.

    My guess is that you have minimal acquaintance with STEM education that isn’t mostly theoretic naval gazing.

    What intelligent people object to is blaming a trace gas, CO2, for warming. The climate frauds couldn’t blame water vapor, an admittedly much more powerful greenhouse “gas”, because there’s no way to profit from clouds. CO2 was picked because people generate it as a by product of life itself and industry emits it. It’s the perfect thing to target as a money making opportunity.

    No matter if the science of global warming is all phony … climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.
    Christine Stewart (Former Canadian Minister Of The Environment)

    Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t that our responsibility to bring about?
    Maurice Strong – Founder Of The UN Environmental Program

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  127. @RadicalCenter

    LOL. You too brother. We very likely have much more in common than not. Comment boxes are not a very good medium.

  128. @RoatanBill

    ‘You can compare whatever you like. If there were some physical test or injury that the majority of pot smokers suffer from, I still wouldn’t want the gov’t to force them to stop, as it’s none of anyone’s business. People know that smoking cigarettes causes all manner of harm and no one is trying to eliminate cigarettes. The reason for that is it’s a huge profit opportunity and the gov’t gets their cut via outrageous taxes, fines for the tobacco industry and the opportunity to regulate them. Liquor kills thousands every year and it’s perfectly legal because the gov’t gets its cut. The US military kills thousands every year and their activities are not only legal, but the killers are thanked for their service and DOD budgets dwarf anything else you can name.’

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Nor, for that matter, do three or four.

    Moreover, if you read my posts, you would find that I do not in fact support making marijuana illegal.

    So you would seem to be making a fallacious argument to attack a position I haven’t taken.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  129. @RadicalCenter

    ‘…Having said that, I’ll agree wholeheartedly that we shouldn’t be importing tens of millions more people — whatever their race, religion, color, religion — who are extremely likely to remain net tax-consumers for their entire lives…’

    We shouldn’t import anyone. We have enough people already.

    Some immigrants are even less desirable than others — but they’re all unwanted. It’s like which posters at Unz can move into my house. You might be more acceptable than A123, but actually…neither one of you can.

    No offense.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @RadicalCenter
  130. @Colin Wright

    I’m not going to read your posts (plural), just the one addressed to me. In it I find no real mention of your position, just your chastising me for mine.

    So, I suggest you’re the one building a straw man, not me.

    If you have a position on pot and drugs in general, and care to share it, please do so. We can hash things out logically.

    I notice you have no more climate analogy to share. Do you agree with what I wrote?

  131. @RoatanBill

    What intelligent people object to is blaming a trace gas, CO2, for warming. The climate frauds couldn’t blame water vapor . .

    What intelligent people understand is that CO2 heats the atmosphere, which increases the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere, which heats the atmosphere . . .

  132. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Dennis Dale

    @Corvinus
    this one was meant for Trolvinus, stunning and brave nonentity. Keep pushing that shtick up this online hill, my man. You’re one lame one-liner away from victory!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  133. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Some immigrants are even less desirable than others — but they’re all unwanted“

    According to Who/Whom?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  134. Corvinus says:
    @Dennis Dale

    We all enjoy your pseudo Anglo Saxon anger act. You’ll be a hit in the clink.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  135. @Corvinus

    ‘According to Who/Whom?’

    Which immigrants do you want, Corvinus? Who are you eager to share your home with?

    A nice Dane? Perhaps a Nigerian? A Thai homosexual?

    Which one gets the spare bedroom? After all, leaving it empty is apparently right out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  136. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    my crack about one more lame one-liner was not meant to be taken literally

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  137. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Which immigrants do you want, Corvinus? Who are you eager to share your home with?“

    I get along with everyone. And, remember, your ancestors who came here to America also enjoyed hospitality compliments of the natives. You should be more grateful.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  138. Corvinus says:
    @Dennis Dale

    And now you’re backing down. I thought you relished punching up?

  139. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    I didn’t know it was possible to back down from someone who won’t stand up themselves. It’s rich when the anonymous call out real people for being chicken. “Punching up”? Are you flattering yourself, or just using phrases you don’t understand again? How would I even know I was punching up, in calling out a nameless, faceless —? Pretty sure your mom’s basement is downward from here.

    But keep going. Totally winning.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  140. Bro43rd says:
    @Dennis Dale

    Sniping my comment is in no way a refutation of what I said especially with regards to genetic predisposition, try again.
    I say all disease is the product of breathing air. Prove me wrong.

  141. Flemur says:

    Tolerance of Cannabis Grows – as We Are Shown It Can Cause Psychosis

    Cannabis induced psychosis, almost always caused by ingesting to many “edibles”, lasts only a few hours and it is NOT schizophrenia and it is NOT permanent.

    It’s dishonest to hide or obfuscate those facts.

  142. @Sin City Milla

    You’re just making some things up or making wild guesses now. The phrase “gone to pot” has never had anything to do with marijuana. The phrase is apparently four or five centuries old:

    https://grammarist.com/idiom/go-to-pot/

  143. @Corvinus

    What’s with the Who/Whom? Pick one 😉

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  144. anaccount says:

    Over the years I’ve watched three friends go completely insane and their drug of choice was marijuana. If you think psychosis doesn’t exist you are a fucking moron. One of them is dead, the other two amble around town like zombies and might as well be dead. Schizophrenic people experience a living hell. Those that I know (knew) smoked copious amounts of marijuana and at one point in my life I did too. I quit because it was driving me insane, among other things.

  145. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “What’s with the Who/Whom? Pick one “

    Tell that to iSteve. He’s the originator of the phrase.

  146. Corvinus says:
    @Dennis Dale

    “But keep going. Totally winning.“

    Thank you for admitting that I am. You’re the one who got triggered, puffed out your feathers like a peacock, and “fed the troll”.

  147. @Corvinus

    ‘I get along with everyone. And, remember, your ancestors who came here to America also enjoyed hospitality compliments of the natives. You should be more grateful.’

    Where do you live? We’ll have to clue the local vagrants in on the free crash pad.

    As to the American Indians, you sure their experience is really an ad for open borders?

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  148. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Where do you live? We’ll have to clue the local vagrants in on the free crash pad.”

    I’ve already described my neighborhood on past posts. Try to pay closer attention next time.

    “As to the American Indians, you sure their experience is really an ad for open borders”

    Then show your deepest regret and empathy, and go back to Europe where you’re relatives came from. After all, you’re a beneficiary of their ancestral jackbooting.

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