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The US may be reaching its “Chernobyl moment” as it fails to lead in combating the coronavirus epidemic. As with the nuclear accident in the Soviet Union in 1986, a cataclysm is exposing systemic failings that have already weakened US hegemony in the world. Whatever the outcome of the pandemic, nobody is today looking to Washington for a solution to the crisis.

The fall in US influence was visible this week at virtual meetings of world leaders where the main US diplomatic effort was devoted to an abortive attempt to persuade the others to sign a statement referring to the “Wuhan virus”, as part of a campaign to blame China for the coronavirus epidemic. Demonising others as a diversion from one’s own shortcomings is a central feature of President Trump’s political tactics. Arkansas Republican senator Tom Cotton took up the same theme, saying that “China unleashed this plague on the world, and China has to be held accountable”.

US failure goes far beyond Trump’s toxic political style: American supremacy in the world since the Second World War has been rooted in its unique capacity to get things done internationally by persuasion or by the threat or use of force. But the inability of Washington to respond adequately to Covid-19 shows that this is no longer the case and crystallises a perception that American competence is vanishing. The change in attitude is important because superpowers, such as the British Empire, the Soviet Union in the recent past or the US today, depend on a degree of bluff. They cannot afford to put their all-powerful image to the test too often because they cannot be seen to fail: an exaggerated picture of British strength was shattered by the Suez Crisis in 1956, as was that of the Soviet Union by the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

The coronavirus crisis is the equivalent of Suez and Afghanistan for Trump’s America. Indeed, these crises seem minor compared to the Covid-19 pandemic, which will have far greater impact because everybody on the planet is a potential victim and feels threatened. Faced with such a mega-crisis, the failure of the Trump administration to lead responsibly is proving extraordinarily destructive to the US position in the world.

The decline of the US is usually seen as the counterpart to the rise of China – and China has, at least for the moment, successfully got a grip on its own epidemic. It is the Chinese who are sending ventilators and medical teams to Italy and face masks to Africa. Italians note that the other EU states all ignored Italy’s desperate appeal for medical equipment and only China responded. A Chinese charity sent 300,000 face masks to Belgium in a container on which was written the slogan “Unity Makes Strength” in French, Flemish and Chinese.

Such exercises in “soft power” may have limited influence once the crisis is over, though this is likely to be a long time coming. But, while it does so, the message is going out that China can provide essential equipment and expertise at a critical moment and the US cannot. These changes in perception are not going to disappear overnight.

Prophecies that the US is in a state of decline have been two a penny almost as long as the US emerged from the Second World War as the greatest superpower. Yet the much-heralded downfall of the American empire has kept being postponed or has seen others decline even faster, notably the Soviet Union. Critics of “US decline-ism” explain that, while the US may no longer dominate the world economy to the degree it once did, it still has 800 bases around the world and a military budget of $748bn.

Yet the inability of the US military to use its technical prowess to win wars in Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq has shown how little it has got in return for its vast expenditure.

Trump has not started any wars despite his bellicose rhetoric, but he has used the power of the US Treasury rather than the Pentagon. By imposing tight economic sanctions on Iran and threatening other countries with economic warfare, he has demonstrated the degree to which the US controls the world financial system.

But these arguments about the rise or decline of the US as an economic and military power miss a more important point that should be obvious. The very real decline of the US as a global power, as exemplified by the coronavirus pandemic crisis, has less to do with guns and money than many suppose, and much more to do with Trump himself as both the symptom and cause of American decline.

Put simply, the US is no longer a country that the rest of the world wants to emulate or, if they do, the emulators tend to be authoritarian nativist demagogues or despots. Their admiration is warmly welcomed: witness Trump’s embrace of the Hindu nationalist Indian prime minister Narendra Modi and his cultivation of the younger generation of tyrants such as Kim Jung-un in North Korea and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia.

Democratic and despotic rulers will, at least at first, be strengthened by the pandemic, since in times of acute crisis people want to see their governments as saviours who know what they are doing.

But demagogues like Trump and his equivalents around the world are seldom much good at handling real crises, because they have risen to power by exploiting ethnic and sectarian hatreds, scapegoating their opponents and boosting their own mythical achievements.

An example of this is Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, who accuses his opponents and the media of “tricking” Brazilians about the dangers of coronavirus. Such is the government’s laxity in enforcing any type of lockdown in Rio de Janeiro that in at least three slums, only the local drugs cartels have stepped in to declare and enforce an 8pm curfew.

ORDER IT NOW

Trump has always excelled in exploiting and exacerbating divisions in American society and producing simple-minded solutions to mythical crises, such as building the famous wall to stop the entry of Central American migrants into the US. But now he is faced with a real crisis, he is gambling that it will be of short duration and less severe than most experts predict. Polls show that his popularity has risen, probably because frightened people prefer to hear good news rather than bad. So far, the worst outbreaks of the illness have been in New York, Boston and other cities where Trump never had much support. If it spreads with the same intensity to Texas and Florida, then the loyalty of even Trump’s core supporters may evaporate.

The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as Trump is in power. Hitherto he has avoided provoking serious crises, and his mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic shows that he was wise to do so. He is polarising an already divided country and this is the real reason for the decline of the US.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. AH says:

    Amazingly bad article even by Cockie’s usual standards. You can’t talk about the US’s decline without also talking about China’s shortcomings as a would-be superpower. (China can’t even feed itself). The Covid pandemic was caused first and foremost by the lies and censorship by China’s ruling party. Because of the CCP’s crimes against humanity the world lost two precious months to respond and localize the virus. These are hardly the actions of an up and coming superpower. I agree that the US is declining, but don’t see that as a bad thing. It’s about time the rest of the world came out from Uncle Sam’s apron strings and faced things on their own.

    • Agree: Gunga Din
  2. China can’t even feed itself? Nonsense. China can feed itself fine. It imports and exports food like every country but, if push comes to shove, it can–as a matter of longstanding policy–feed itself.

    The Covid pandemic was caused first and foremost by the lies and censorship by China’s ruling party? As a long-time China watcher I have never known its government to lie. If you have, please quote it directly and provide a source.

    Because of the CCP’s crimes against humanity the world lost two precious months to respond and localize the virus. Nonsense. The WHO was there literally from Day One and its officer on the ground, American Dr. Bruce Aylward said, “China’s response to the outbreak of Covid-19 has been exceedingly transparent, swift, effective and lifesaving in identifying the virus and sharing information with the world. I have never seen the scale and commitment of an epidemic response at this level in terms of all of government,” WHO’s chief executive director for health emergencies, Michael Ryan of Ireland added, “The challenge is great, but the response has been massive and the Chinese government deserve huge credit for that response and for the transparency in which they have dealt with this.”

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Seymour_Buhtz
    , @Jmaie
    , @Exile
  3. Kim says:
    @AH

    We can’t realistically talk about the reasons for US decline unless we talk about race. What we are witnessing is simply the USA drowning as it struggles to swim with an anvil of blacks and jews tied around its neck.

  4. TG says:

    I hear you, and I acknowledge that you have a point.

    But I think the main issue is not that Trump is ‘polarizing’ the nation.

    The main issue is that our elites are mindless parasites and don’t give a damn, they are completely corrupt and only focused on how much money they can extract from the system before it all falls apart.

    Under the completely treasonous doctrine of “free trade,” the United States shipped its industrial base to China, so that the elites could make a short-term killing off of all of that lovely cheap labor. Fake Nobel-Prizewinner Paul Krugman (there is no such thing as the Nobel Prize in Economics, check out Wikepedia) were flacking that this would be totally wonderful.

    And now… We don’t have masks, we don’t have tests, we don’t have the reagents to make the tests, we don’t have the factories to make the reagents to make the tests… it’s all gone. ‘Free trade’ be damned, the people who DEMANDED that we ship our productive capacity overseas were liars and traitors.

    But now we have a ‘stimulus’ bill, that give crumbs to the average person, and countless trillions to those parasitic financiers that got us to this place. What can I say. I see no part of our elites that cares a fig about the nation as a whole, not any more. And Paul Krugman is widely praised as a saint. We are screwed.

  5. Gustafus says:

    Our author doesn’t like ethnic and racial hatred – good lord. In a world bursting with worthless breeding, filthy, niggers, ragheads and chins, – what is a white western, normal heterosexual to do???

    Say welcome to this filth?

    The best news I’ve heard about our weaponized virus, is that it targets fertility. And it’s slow enough spread to Africa and Latin America could save us from charges of genocide. We can hope can’t we?

    This is not a kumbaya moment in history. There are too few normal decent Christians.

    I check the stats every day hoping upon hope this time a proper plague will wipe out the denizens of desperate continents and fisheries.

    Just think of a decade without fish bombed reefs, poisoned rivers and bush meat left in the trees and forests of the shitholes of Africa, Asia and S America

  6. ,,only China responded”

    Uh it was China that caused this whole shit in the first place sport.

  7. @Godfree Roberts

    “As a long-time China watcher I have never known its government to lie.”

    Well isn’t that something. Godfreee Roberts has found the first government in the history of ever that doesn’t lie about anything. I guess that’s technically true if you don’t tell the world you have a new, highly infectious disease circulating among your population for almost two months.

    Lying “by omission” doesn’t actually count. Right? Right?

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @augusto
  8. @AH

    this

    the US wont decline anytime soon

    still plenty of bread and circus for the masses

  9. A123 says:

    … Wuhan virus”, as part of a campaign to blame China for the coronavirus epidemic. Demonising others as a diversion

    Trump is 100% correct. The WUHAN-19 virus is from Wuhan, China. The top two plausible sources for the virus entering the general population are:
    — Live animal “wet markets” with minimal hygiene and sanitation.
    — An accidental release from the CCP virus lab in Wuhan.

    Pressing the CCP to address behaviour that allowed WUHAN-19 to become a threat will reduce risk of future outbreaks. Thus, Trump’s actions are helping all mankind, including the people of China.
    _____

    Propaganda from outlets like CNN intentionally mischaracterize Trump’s accurate and responsible statements about China. Fortunately, people have caught onto the Elite 1% deception, diversion, and demonization efforts. (1)

    Over two-thirds of Americans, a whopping 72 percent, believe CNN knowingly and maliciously report false or misleading stories, according to an Axios poll. … Only 25 percent of Americans believe the mainstream media do not deliberately report fake news.

    _____

    The very real decline of the US as a global power, as exemplified by the coronavirus pandemic crisis,

    The WUHAN-19 crisis exposed a serious weakness in the U.S. industrial & manufacturing base. Trump accurately identified the issue, and is taking steps to address the problem.
    — He invoked powers normally associated with wars to immediately kick start production.
    — Trump is starting the regulatory process to set U.S. Source requirements for life saving machinery and medications. (2)

    Reducing foreign exploitation will boost U.S. Strength. China is the nation in decline. The U.S. is not the only country looking at Far East supply chain risk. China will lose exports and manufacturing jobs as goods and are materials are sourced closer to home.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://newspunch.com/72-percent-americans-cnn-fake-news/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/18/president-trump-invokes-defense-production-act-initiates-executive-order-for-health-and-medical-resources/
    _______

    • Replies: @bluedog
  10. NPleeze says:
    @AH

    The Covid pandemic was caused first and foremost by the lies and censorship by China’s ruling party.

    LOL, they actually handled it vastly better than European countries and the US – who all had not only an additional 3 months of head start (but still have no hospital capacity, ventilators, face masks or PPE), but benefited from China’s data, including treatments, social distancing, etc.

    Such drivel is written by blind, hollow, bitter people who like to strike out at someone far better than themselves. Out of envy.

    Oh, and you should review how the CDC handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, which killed vastly more people than COVID-19 on the same time scale. You want to see incompetence in action, read all about it.

    • Replies: @Realist
  11. @Seymour_Buhtz

    Rubbish. You’ve been listening to the State Department bs too long.

    March 20, 2020–US State Department cables all officials: “NSC Top Lines: [PRC] Propaganda and Disinformation on the Wuhan Virus Pandemic. Chinese Communist Party officials in Wuhan and Beijing had a special responsibility to inform the Chinese people and the world of the threat, since they were the first to learn of it. Instead, the… government hid news of the virus from its own people for weeks, while suppressing information and punishing doctors and journalists who raised the alarm. The Party cared more about its reputation than its own people’s suffering. “These talking points are all anyone is really talking about right now,” one official said. “Everything is about China. We’re being told to try and get this messaging out in any way possible, including press conferences and television appearances.”

    In real life, what happened was this:

    Dec. 27, 2019 – Dr. Zhang Jixian, ICU doctor at Hubei Hospital reports to Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on pneumonia patients with an unknown cause..
    Dec. 28, 2019– three more patients arrive at the hospital, all related to Huanan Seafood Market.
    Dec. 30, 2019 – Wuhan Municipal Health Committee issues notice of an unknown viral illness.
    Dec. 31, 2019–Beijing receives virus genome results, informs WHO of Wuhan pneumonia with unknown cause. Wuhan announces virus on CCTV and CGTN.
    Jan. 1, 2020– Chinese CCDC researchers publish an article on the suspected outbreak. Seafood market shut down.
    Jan. 3, 2020–China reports 44 suspected patients with the mystery pneumonia. National Health Commission classifies it as a highly pathogenic, orders all labs without high pathogen licenses to destroy or transfer samples to secure labs.
    Jan. 9, 2020– Chinese labs confirm the existence of the new virus, begin genetic sequencing. China reports the death of a 61-year-old male in Wuhan with several underlying medical conditions.
    Jan. 9, 2020–Chinese officials announce coronavirus outbreak with 44 confirmed cases.
    Jan 11, 2020–China uploads the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus to an international database.

    The WHO, which maintains an office in China, was there from the beginning and American Dr. Bruce Aylward, head of mission, reported that China’s response to the outbreak of Covid-19 has been ‘exceedingly transparent, swift, effective and lifesaving and praised China’s total “commitment to transparency” in identifying the virus and sharing information with the world. Said the WHO’s chief executive director for health emergencies, Michael Ryan of Ireland, “I have never seen the scale and commitment of an epidemic response at this level in terms of all of government. The challenge is great, but the response has been massive and the Chinese government deserve huge credit for that response and for the transparency in which they have dealt with this.”

    If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it with all of us.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  12. Kim says:

    “As a long time China watcher I have never known its government to lie.” Godflee Loberts

    Sophistically incompetent statements like this reveal so much about the mental and emotional captivity of people trapped in servitude to authoritarian regimes.

    What do I mean? Well, we all recognize that Godfrey is an official Chinese propaganda agent. How do we so certainly know that? Because he never does what a sophisticated propagandist would do in a non-authoritarian system i.e., he never offers any kind of rhetorical concession to those on the other side. He never, ever concedes the possibility that the CCP could ever, on any topic, be in error.

    Rather, like a Maoist fearing punishment lest he be found guilty of deviationism or middle-roadism, he will insist at all times and in every case on the exact perfection of the Chinese system – even though what he is saying is clearly ludicrous and easily disproved.

    You see, it is not the readers of Unz who are Godfrey’s primary audience: it is the cadres who assess his work.

    And the cadres understand nothing of the styles and manners of free market thought. They know only that there is on one side the correct view, Maoist-Leninist thought, and on the other side there is deviation. And whatever he writes, we know that Godfrey will never dare to deviate, even if, in terms of propaganda, it would be much more effective.

    As someone has observed about the Chinese, quality is never their first priority. Even in their propaganda.

    • Agree: UK
  13. This is Cockburn’s apotheosis of willful obtuseness. The underlying problem is polarization. What a crock of shit.

    Polarization is divide and rule, a crucial weapon in CIA’s war on the subject population. It’s right up there with murder, torture, drug dealing, gunrunning, pedo blackmail and payoffs, but CIA made up a big word for it so you won’t know they’re doing it to you. Their neuro-linguistic programming word makes it sound like some exogenous phenomenon, like some natural process happened and you got magnetized or something. This is not the audience of your compatible left rag, there are smart people here.

    With painstaking care CIA set up a bullshit fake democracy to make you blame the other party whenever the CIA regime fucks you over.

    This germ is BWC-illegal CIA biowarfare, a chimera cooked up by a contractor at UNC and let loose on the US population to beef it up for sneak attack on China and Iran. It’s the same old strategy of tension but with germs now. Dem dupes blame the germs on Trump and GOP dupes blame the germs on China and they fight each other instead of their enemy in Langley.

    The underlying problem is the CIA regime. You’re nowhere near stupid enough not to know that. Why can’t you spit it out? Grow a pair for chrissake.

  14. Stogumber says:

    So Cockburn praises China and looks for a strong leader – imagining that the strong leader will unite the nation behind himself. But, coming from a leftist, that is not “authoritarianism”, huh?

    Mr. Cockburn, I’d rather prefer to stay “divided” and “polarized” than to “come together” with people like you And this not b/o something Trump said, but b/o everything YOU say!!

  15. Realist says:
    @NPleeze

    I agree with what you say, I would add it is not proven that Covid-19 started in China.
    But that has not stopped many on the right from pushing this supposition. One of the worst…much to my disappointment is Tucker Carlson. Carlson was quite adamant in his castigation of the left for their Russia bad meme. Now he is doing the same thing with China and is apparently too stupid to see it, or is playing the right side of the coin called the Deep State. Our controllers are afraid that Russia and China will eat their lunch, thereby removing the US from the number one position of power and wealth. To the Deep State this is an existential threat.

    Here is an interesting article from Caitlin Johnstone.

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/liberal-npcs-hate-russia-conservative-npcs-hate-china-9b4ac2f853

    • Agree: NPleeze
  16. Realist says:

    Demonising others as a diversion from one’s own shortcomings is a central feature of President Trump’s political tactics. Arkansas Republican senator Tom Cotton took up the same theme, saying that “China unleashed this plague on the world, and China has to be held accountable”.

    Excellent point. Tom Cotton is a war mongering asshole. And Carlson allowed him to pontificate his drivel from the Carlson show.

  17. Realist says:
    @TG

    But I think the main issue is not that Trump is ‘polarizing’ the nation.

    The main issue is that our elites are mindless parasites and don’t give a damn, they are completely corrupt and only focused on how much money they can extract from the system before it all falls apart.

    I agree with what you say, but Trump is part of the elites…Deep State.

  18. jsinton says:

    The Chinese hid the pandemic from the world during the critical period in January, and they continue to hide the magnitude of the disaster. They should have their pants sued off. But don’t worry about America because when she goes, she’s gonna take everybody with her.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
    , @bluedog
  19. Miro23 says:
    @TG

    The main issue is that our elites are mindless parasites and don’t give a damn, they are completely corrupt and only focused on how much money they can extract from the system before it all falls apart.

    It’s what you might call slash and burn economics. Destroy a patch of tropical rainforest to get one crop, them abandon it and choose the next patch to burn down.

    Russia was being successfully burnt down until Putin came along. Chinese politics and finance are closed to foreigners but India is looking like a good bet:

    Ref. Malla’s post March 21st –

    [MORE]

    https://www.forbesindia.com/article/boardroom/how-blackstone-made-india-its-largest-market-in-asia/53849/1
    How Blackstone made India its largest market in Asia

    https://realtynxt.com/2018/04/06/blackstone-indias-biggest-property-investment-portfolio-reaches-5-billion-mark/
    Blackstone: India’s Biggest Property Investment Portfolio Reaches $5 Billion Mark

    https://www.businesstoday.in/bt-buzz/news/bt-buzz-blackstone-the-buyer-of-last-resort-for-cash-strapped-indian-real-estate-developers/story/360718.html
    Blackstone, the last resort for cash-strapped Indian real estate developers

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/markets/Goldman-Sachs-buys-Yes-Bank-shares-worth-Rs-77-cr/article20662660.ece
    Goldman Sachs buys Yes Bank shares worth Rs 77 cr

    https://m.economictimes.com/opinion/interviews/goldman-sachs-is-one-of-the-major-investors-in-india-michael-evans/articleshow/5709048.cms
    Goldman Sachs is one of the major investors in India: Michael Evans

    No doubt BJP loves Israel. Enjoy while getting raped is not an unknown advice to RSS-BJP- Yogi brigand.

    After all a Jewish Americn PR firm with close links to Israel played a huge part in Modi’s popularity & victory and also marketed ‘Shining Gujrat’ BS.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/company/corporate-trends/how-an-american-lobbying-company-apco-worldwide-markets-narendra-modi-to-the-world/articleshow/17537402.cms
    How an American lobbying company Apco Worldwide markets Narendra Modi to the world

    https://aamjanata.com/politics/the-brainwash-chronicles-sponsored-by-gujarat-government/
    “Enter APCO – in 2006 – supposedly to promote a vibrant Gujarat (remember India shining in 2004?) but very conveniently in time for the 2007 elections.”

    https://everything-pr.com/jewish-pr-firms/
    APCO is a Jewish PR firm.

  20. I regard this as one of Mr Cockburn’s more perceptive columns.

    He has definitely captured some important truths here.

    They are hard ones for Americans to accept.

    I find it remarkable how well China is handling matters like information and assistance to the world.

    It comes at a time of tireless misinformation and blundering from American leadership.

    And the whole world can plainly see that.

    Also, despite all the pain and suffering now and in the coming months, the US busies itself still with pointless, unnecessary hostilities in Venezuela, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and many other locations, making yet more people more miserable.

    By contrast, there’s China offering cooperation, partnership, and help.

    Xi’s intelligence and mild manner couldn’t be in more contrast to the grimaces and stream of noisy errors from Trump.

    Putin very much also is making an effort abroad but Russia’s resources are considerably less than China’s.

    We are fortunate to have two such gifted leaders to help offset some of the chaotic rumblings of Washington.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @jsinton
  21. jsinton says:
    @John Chuckman

    The problem with Cock’s analysis is that it does not take into account what America will do in it’s future downfall. It’s gonna take everybody with it. So the world should pray for America’s success if it know’s what’s good for it.

    • Replies: @windjammer
  22. NPleeze says:
    @Kim

    So, you did a lot of pig-headed ranting, but did not come up with a single example of the Chinese government lying (in the timeframe Godfree requested).

    Typical response of a brainwashed automaton, no evidence but brain full of 100% programmed propaganda. An ant is more independent than you.

    • Replies: @Realist
  23. NPleeze says:
    @jsinton

    The Chinese hid the pandemic from the world during the critical period in January

    The CDC hid the pandemic. Like a typical CIA nefarious, evil disinformation spreader, you ignore facts and just spew lies for clueless idiots.

    Dec. 31: China reports to the WHO China Country Office cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. Of the 44 cases reported, 11 are severely ill, while the remaining 33 patients are in stable condition. According to media reports, the concerned market in Wuhan was closed on 1 January 2020 for environmental sanitation and disinfection. https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

    Jan. 11: China reports FIRST (read that again: FIRST) death “from a mysterious pneumonia outbreak that has been blamed on a new strain of virus from the same family as the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).” https://tribune.net.ph/index.php/2020/01/11/china-reports-first-death-from-pneumonia-outbreak/ They also reported 41 were ill. https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

    You lying f*ing POS!

  24. @TG

    I totally agree with you. The hostile (((elite))) doesn’t care about the American people, and they certainly don’t care about old people.

    The idea that they have shut down the economy in order to save boomers is absurd.

    Every move they are making serves to enrich an already filthy rich elite.

    $1200 means nothing if a poor person has lost their job. $1200 won’t even cover half the rent
    for a small apartment in Los Angeles.

    Two trillion dollars for the nose.

    Two TRILLION.

    This is an even bigger theft than the one they pulled in 2008.

  25. Realist says:
    @NPleeze

    Exactly right…this Right wing China bad propaganda bullshit is as bad as the left wing Russia bad propaganda bullshit. Both these memes are promulgated by the Deep State/Elite/rich and powerful….whatever you want to call it, because the US is losing its power to control others.

  26. Realist says:

    The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as Trump is in power.

    Which asshole from the democrat party would be our savior…Biden, Sanders??? Get real.

    He is polarising an already divided country and this is the real reason for the decline of the US.

    No, the real reason for the decline of the US, is because the 99% of this country has allowed the wealthy and powerful (1%) to screw them into the ground.
    While the 1% have been taking most of the money the 99% had…the 99% entertains itself with sports, the goddamn crap on primetime TV, expensive travel, gambling and all the other things that make the wealthy and powerful, more so.
    Trump is in this charade like who ever the Democrat nominee, will be. The Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. Voting doesn’t matter…it changes nothing. The situation in the US will not be changed through the electoral process.

  27. Mr. Grey says:
    @AH

    Totally agree. Peak Catastrophizing.

  28. Cowboy says:

    This reads like something put out by an algorithm.
    Input: bad orange man
    Output: blah blah blah

  29. bluedog says:
    @Kim

    Lol typical American reply blame it on someone else,the fact is you and the rest that play the race game lost is because you were castrated at birth, so all you can do now is bark and whine and maybe piss on someones shoes.!!

  30. Delta G says:
    @Kim

    I agree but would phrase it slightly differently.

    What has happened in the US is 40 years of installing 3rd 4th and 10th rate individuals in the admission class of Colleges and Universities. Not the best, most hardworking or dedicated or intelligent. No you needed to be a Female, Black, Gay or now LGBT or a Jew. Since the Jews created the racial and gender divides and also the anti-intellectual climate (Most Jews are not very bright and can not compete on a level playing field with WASPS) you have had a constant deterioration of leadership in all aspects of American Life, Government and Business. The Donald is unfairly blamed for the $hit that has been coming for 40 years.

    Just look at the number of Jews accepted into Ivy League Schools. Then look at how stupid they really are in their positions.

    Look at the Dumber than Dirt Black Female Mayor of New Orleans who complains that no one told her not to allow Mardi Gras to happen. Look at the constant lies and BS from every aspect of American MSM. You have to be brain dead to not see the picture.

    Stupid people will get you in trouble or dead. We now have lots of stupid people in charge, who have made a career of A$$ kissing and Lying. No one held them accountable because Jews like having the A$$es kissed because they think its cool and makes them important. We will see how that goes when their dead from COVID 19.

  31. bluedog says:
    @jsinton

    And your a liar but we all knew that,China informed the WHO of the flu the last of December and they put it out on the January third when all countries were notified.!!

  32. bluedog says:
    @A123

    Lol Ron was right your nothing but a troll,who do think believes any of the crap you put out,as you repeat the propaganda of your masters,I wonder if you sit up and bark or like a good doggie roll over on command.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  33. A123 says:
    @bluedog

    Bluedog,

    I pity you. 😢

    No one believes the mindless, anti-American tripe that you regurgitate on command for your Ayatollah.

    You have a severe case Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS] plus Projective Dissociation. If you want to get better, you need to confront your lengthy list of personal weaknesses and failures. Being delusional and projecting them onto others will only lead you to bad end.

    PEACE 😇

  34. Jmaie says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    As a long-time China watcher I have never known its government to lie. If you have, please quote it directly and provide a source.

    I’ve seen you make this claim before, IIRC the last time you said over a 40 year period. I’m really interested who you think will be swayed by such statements? The Chinese government ranks low on the scale of credibility and many far-better respected nations are known to lie regularly. So either you’re not paying attention, you are shilling for the PRC or you are naive (to put it gently). Which is worse?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @NPleeze
  35. Exile says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “As a long-time China watcher I have never known its government to lie. If you have, please quote it directly and provide a source.”

    Own-goal. Self-dox.

    I yield to few in my contempt for the Empire and (((Western))) hypocrisy, but that statement is Bibi-level, Talmud-grade BS.

    This is the part where I’m supposed to find a particular tree for someone to nit-pick and micro-focus on as the forest burns.

    “Never” is a testimonial tiger-trap. No one worth two cents as a Han-bar-ist would choose that hill to die on. This is just trolling/click-bait.

    Consider this the last time I get hooked. Roberts’ schtick is as stale, fake and gay as Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @NPleeze
  36. @Jmaie

    My intention is not to sway anyone.

    My intention is to cause you to reflect, “Hmm..that’s funny, I can’t actually remember them lying. I can remember being told a hundred-thousand times that they do lie…but no actual lie comes to mind.”

    Think back. Do you remember being frequently told that they lie?
    Were the people who told you that they lie reliable?
    Would you trust them to tell the truth 80% of the time?

    Now scan your memory. What statement from the PRC turned out to be untrue? Misleading? Can you remember one and provide a direct quote and the link?

    I ask because 80% of Chinese can’t think of one, either. That’s how much they trust their media.

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
  37. @TG

    Exactly! It’s the corporate elites who are dividing the nation with their insufferable anti-Americanism. Even though Trump has proven himself to be ineffective, they can’t tolerate his nationalist rhetoric.

  38. @Kim

    Actually I think Roberts might be a US agent. His rantings are so absurd and ridiculous, he comes off as a caricature of a Chinese shill. It’s hard to imagine the Chinese government wasting any money on this guy, he’s certainly not convincing anyone of their cause (except maybe some brain-dead leftists who already believe).

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  39. @Exile

    See my reply to your accusations above, #34.

    Answer the final question honestly here, for us all to see.

  40. NPleeze says:
    @Jmaie

    And yet, again, no example of a lie.

    The constant ad hominem attacks by your masters are paying off. Now bleat real nice as they lead you to the valley of death.

  41. NPleeze says:
    @Exile

    Yet again, no example of a lie.

    Just another Western brainwashed sheep bleating as told.

  42. NPleeze says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    And yet, again, not a single example of a lie. lol, how pathetic.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  43. Let’s not forget the real reason for the decline of the USA. For the past few decades, the greedy elite in the US such as politicians from both parties, bankers, the corporate executive class and the consultant firms have been shipping manufacturing jobs and technology to Asia in order to fatten their already outrageous bank accounts at the expense of the middle class. It is amusing to see the US awaiting face mask shipments from China. These corrupt and greedy elite have managed to destroy their country at the same time as handing China their technology on a golden platter.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @A123
  44. swamped says:

    “The very real decline of the US as a global power, as exemplified by the coronavirus pandemic crisis, has less to do with guns and money than many suppose, and much more to do with Trump himself as both the symptom and cause of American decline”… making the Donald either the most superhuman pol in the history of the world, to be able to single-handedly bring down the heretofore world’s greatest superpower in a mere 3 1/2 years in office; or making Cockburn the most unhinged media anti-Trump attack dog in the history of the fake news. Poor Patrick, usually a level-headed journo, has really lost it this time. Maybe it’s the thought of Trump’s climbing approval ratings or the media’s frustration at not being able to sink the President with each new crisis that’s driving Cockburn to such depths of despair but it does him or his audience no good.
    ” The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as”…fake news continues to see its mission as bringing down Trump; even to the point of blaming him for something no one foresaw – least of all shreiking journalists – & no one, sadly, at this point, knows fully what to do about it. Even the fact that “hitherto [Trump] has avoided provoking serious crises” is still not worthy of any grudging praise from crazed Cockburn (or of not starting any new wars); instead even that has to be turned against the President, as Cockburn bizarrely claims that “his mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic shows that he was wise to do so.” Apparently to Cockburn it would have been better to start new crises & wars just to prove you can ‘handle’ them. Leaving kooky Cockburn to wail that Trump is “polarising an already divided country”, no mean feat in itself, polarising something that’s already divided. And in no small part divided a/k/a polarized by a deliberately division-sowing, polarizing media.
    ‘Demonising President Trump as a diversion from one’s own shortcomings is a central feature of fake news in general & pissy Paddy in particular.’

  45. @jsinton

    America’s not going to take the world with it, except maybe in sadness, because the great promise was there, but hate, fear and corruption tore the sacred agreement to shreds. The celebrity clown king hasn’t helped, he isn’t worthy of no crown. And the dementia-destined Biden who wrote the Patriot Act that only got signed off with anthrax in the mail, ain’t going to help much either.

    I grew up in Hong Kong, a blond white kid. The Chinese were a kind people. The colony was full of poor refugees fleeing Mao’s purges. Those were such different times. Soldiers on furlows from Viet Nam went crazy in Wan Chai. Hong Kong competed with Japan to become the first offshore manufacturing base for America’s wealth, remember all those transistor radios?

    Then the Brits’ lease expired, China cut some slack, left it alone to play with the world’s money, merely built a far bigger industrial base upriver. Sea level rise will drown it all now.

    China went insane over the last two decades though. Built whole cities in homage to Pigsy, in which nobody lives, or even wants to live without a soul. Filled their air with so much chemical poison it damaged all the children’s brains. Saturated Wuhan with 5G, no wonder they all got so sick.

    We have a crowded world where all empires are now in decline. We should celebrate the fact that we’ve hit the wall now, and learn how to contract, leave Nature alone. We are all one people in recovery, and we better learn to live with viruses, they’ve been our companions since we crawled out of the sea.

    • Replies: @Kim
    , @DB Cooper
  46. Kim says:
    @windjammer

    A blonde kid who grew up in Hong Kong? You must have been treated like a little God. And rightly so!

  47. @Godfree Roberts

    Indeed.

    Boy, there’s a lot of hostility generated by a bland statement, a self-obviously accurate one.

    Comments you’ve attracted on this, here and before, suggest the hostility a good many Americans have for China.

    It ain’t healthy.

    America’s top leadership sure ain’t healthy either.

    Statements from Trump and especially Pompeo are unbelievably crude to be hearing in international affairs.

    In a sense, things were already falling apart before the coronavirus.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  48. @NPleeze

    Give us an example of the US government lying.

    • Replies: @orionyx
    , @Slimtall
    , @NPleeze
  49. @John Chuckman

    It’s generated hostility because honest and intelligent people know there’s a difference between acknowledging that the US is the primary aggressor nation in the world, and uncritically swallowing the propaganda of the capitalists in the CCP. Roberts and the other Team China retards here don’t understand the difference.

  50. A123 says:
    @AnObserver

    Let’s not forget the real reason for the decline of the USA. For the past few decades, the greedy elite in the US such as politicians from both parties, bankers, the corporate executive class and the consultant firms have been shipping manufacturing jobs and technology to Asia

    We finally have a President who understands that is the problem. And, the silver lining to the WUHAN-19 virus is that it showed the inherent weakness of overseas supply chains to everyone.

    President Trump is launching a major effort to permanently move jobs back to the U.S. by ramping up Medical supply production. (1)

    President Trump announced Friday he is appointing his trade adviser Peter Navarro to serve as his national Defense Production Act policy coordinator after using the act to force General Motors to begin making ventilators to treat coronavirus patients.

    Peter Navarro has been a long-term China hawk warning about the risk of U.S. multinationals doing critical supply-chain manufacturing overseas. Navarro, working closely with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, has been the tip of the spear in the execution of America First policy and jobs.

    China is Collapsing

    The permanent reduction in China’s ability to export is landing on their manufacturing sector. (2)

    sales in April to May could plunge by 40% over the prior year.

    A twin shock has emerged, one where China shuttering most of its industrial base from mid-January through early March, generated a supply shock. Now, as those Chinese firms add capacity, expecting to be met with a surge in demand from Western companies, that is not the case and is resulting in a demand shock.

    I am not sure why Chinese shills like Godfree keep trying to push the CCP party line.

    — China inflicted WUHAN-19 virus on the rest of the world.
    — China’s exploitation in exports & manufacturing have been exposed.

    There is no way to contain the Truth now that it is known.

    PEACE 😷

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/27/manufacturing-security-is-national-security-president-trump-appoints-peter-navarro-to-head-national-defense-production-act/

    (2) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/how-china-getting-double-whammy-global-demand-collapse-now-following-supply-crash-earlier

  51. Please, how does a loud-mouthed idiot understand anything?

    The basic dynamic at work here is a very competitive China against America’s sense of entitlement.

    What do you think wins, every time?

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
  52. “The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as Trump is in power”

    The US is weaker because low-IQ filth like the Puerto Rican bartender Cortez – the embodiment of the Jewish socialist Lazarus’ plea for the worlds shiftless losers to come to America have done so.

  53. augusto says:
    @Seymour_Buhtz

    False, my friend.
    FIrst because the
    Ommission was in a local upsurge of a disease that nobody, nobody knew what it was like.
    Second, because it had happened in the US years before.
    Third, because the Wuhan province heads were punished by Peking, yes by the CCP , who then took
    harsh measures to make it disappear in in two months.
    Far, far better than the californian, newyorkian and connecticcuers (is that so?) ones.
    You american will be reduced to your real size (not the propaganda size) much earlier that you suspect just for this OUTCOURCING of responsibility…
    Think if the 300 sportsment military were chinese. Think if they had visited chicago in Oct 2019 and had visited local markets and restaurants…
    what would guys like you have told about chine them.
    But this does nt in any way surprise me: your great great great grand parents were evangelical moralists of the same kind.

  54. @Kim

    Paddy Cockburn can’t talk about the JQ or race.

    Both are detrimental to his career as a leftist journalist especially in Britain which is under the control of organized Jewry.

  55. ”It’s about time the rest of the world came out from Uncle Sam’s apron strings and faced things on their own.”

    No, its about time that the US tried working for a living and stopped paying for its imports with worthless Treasury Bills which foreigners have to swap the worthless dollars they are being paid. These Treasurys are never going to be paid so the world is actually subsidising the US’s trade deficits. This is called the ‘Exorbitant Privilege’ BTW.

    • Agree: John Chuckman, Daniel H
  56. Wally says:
    @AH

    And the “equipment China is sending” are rejects & seconds. As Italy has found out.

    plus:

    Democrats Who Blame Trump: Sang a different song a month ago: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/dear_democrats_who_blame_trump_you_sang_a_different_song_a_month_ago.html

  57. orionyx says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    It would be much easier and quicker to say when the US government didn’t lie on any matter of consequence.

  58. Slimtall says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    every war US lied, Vietnam,Iraq

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. Everything that’s caused and is causing the decline of the US (and UK) has been supported by Cockburn and the Independent, not to mention the Guardian and BBC.

  60. S says:

    Yet the much-heralded downfall of the American empire has kept being postponed or has seen others decline even faster, notably the Soviet Union.

    If one looks at world history since 1776 and 1789 as a broadly controlled and planned Hegelian Dialectic, consisting of an individualist Capitalist thesis, a collectivist Communist anti-thesis, and the synthesis of these two system’s to form global Multi-Culturalism, it would make perfect sense that we should at some point expect to see an economic and political collapse of the United States.

    How many are aware that Anglo-Saxon ‘Founding Fathers’ of the Capitalist United States were also involved in the French Communist revolution, ie Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and apparently Ben Franklin as well?

    Broadly controlled, too, in the sense that the City of London is tied in with the initial publications of both the defacto ‘manifestos’ of Capitalism and Communism, respectively Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Marx’s Communist Manifesto, upon which revolution almost immediately ‘broke out’ in North America (1776) and Europe (1848).

    [And was the City of London this purported Capitalist/Communist dialectic’s historic arbiter (referee), and the British Empire, in time with US help, the ‘muscle’ to enforce things (as with Napoleon, Hitler, etc) the past two hundred plus years?]

    Despite appearances, this would be an unnatural and orchestrated top down collapse of the United States, rather than organic and from the bottom up, just as many have suspected was the case with the Soviet Union thirty years ago.

    This US collapse would clear the way for the final synthesis between Capitalism and Communism and the introduction of a world state/empire which has been referred to historically by both ideology’s adherents as the ‘United States of the World’.

    My guess is that they’ll most likely call the US economic and political collapse the ‘Fall of Capitalism’.

    Watch this space.

  61. @orionyx, Slimtall,

    Thanks for missing the point.

  62. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimtall

    Give an example of a lie. Not an assertion that they often lie.

    Godfree is using this as a rhetorical tactic to trip people up. Granted, they shouldn’t be making these assertions without being able to back them up.

  63. NPleeze says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    LOL, seriously? How about 9/11, Iraq WMDs, Syrian “gassing”, Libya Viagra rape soldiers, “you can keep your doctor”, no spying (Snowden), Tienanmen square, no nuclear testing on humans, Vietnam, etc., etc., etc.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  64. @NPleeze

    I didn’t ask you to list a bunch of things you don’t like (I don’t like any of those things either), I asked you to give an example of the US government lying. Just because you dislike the US government but you do like the Chinese government, doesn’t make the latter anymore truthful than the former.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  65. NPleeze says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’m listing lies, bud. Plenty of things I don’t like not on that list, as I can’t prove they are lies. You can find vastly more lies – just look at any declassified document over the last 60 years and compare to what the government lied at the time.

    Look at every whistle-blower who has blown the cover of countless lies.

    but you do like the Chinese government

    Why would you claim that? Oh, that’s right, you’re a brainless idiot.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  66. Miro23 says:

    Yet the much-heralded downfall of the American empire has kept being postponed or has seen others decline even faster, notably the Soviet Union.

    Don’t forget Great Britain. It was the world’s richest and most advanced economy in the 19th century with a vast globe spanning Empire on the eve of WW1.

    Now (100 years later), after making every wrong move, it has gone back to the mostly irrelevant commercial and international standing that it had in the early 16th century pre Elizabeth 1st ( 1533 – 1603) and arguably less = a fast decline by any standards.

    • Agree: John Chuckman
  67. @NPleeze

    Whatever you say, comrade.

    • Troll: NPleeze
  68. DB Cooper says:
    @windjammer

    “I grew up in Hong Kong…”

    When? Which school you went to? KGV? Island? And are your parents civil servants?

  69. antibeast says:

    Yet the inability of the US military to use its technical prowess to win wars in Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq has shown how little it has got in return for its vast expenditure.

    The end-goal of the US military is not to win wars but to prolong them forever in order to enrich the Capitalist owners of the US Military-Industrial Complex. How else can you explain the fact that the US government spent $1.6 trillion on Afghanistan which saw its GDP (nominal) of $2.46B back in 2001 increasing to a GDP (nominal) high of $19B in 2019? That’s equivalent to spending $84B every year for the last 19 years!

    It’s all a scam. Pure and simple.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
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