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Over the last week, I have been watching the Taliban sweep across the map of northern Afghanistan, capturing places that I first visited in 2001 at the beginning of the US-backed war. Taliban fighters have seized the main bridge to Tajikistan on the Amu Darya, a river that I crossed on an unwieldy raft a few months into the conflict.

The last US commander of the giant Bagram airbase north of Kabul, once headquarters for 100,000 American troops in the country, left in the middle of the night last weekend without informing his Afghan successor – who has said he did not learn of the final US evacuation until two hours after it had happened.

The most immediate cause of the implosion of Afghan government forces was the announcement by President Biden on 14 April that the last US troops would leave the country by 11 September. But the complaints of US and British generals that this is all happening too quickly for them to prepare the Afghan security forces to stand alone are absurd, since they have spent two decades failing to do just that.

As western military intervention ends, it is worth asking what are the causes of this humiliating debacle. Why are so many Taliban willing to die for their cause, while government soldiers take flight or surrender? Why is the Afghan government in Kabul so corrupt and dysfunctional? What happened to the $2.3 trillion spent by the US, trying, and failing, to win a war in a country that remains miserably poor?

More generally, why did what was presented as a decisive victory by US-backed anti-Taliban forces twenty years ago turn into the present rout?

One answer is that Afghanistan – like Lebanon, Syria and Iraq – is not a country where the word “decisive” should ever be used about any military victory or defeat. Winners and losers do not emerge, because there are too many players, inside and outside the country, who cannot afford to lose, or to see an enemy win.

Simple-minded analogies with Vietnam in 1975 are misleading. The Taliban does not have anything like the military might of the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, Afghanistan is a mosaic of ethnic communities, tribes and regions, which the Taliban will struggle to rule whatever happens to the Kabul government.

The disintegration of the Afghan army and security forces has accelerated the Taliban’s attack, which has often faced little resistance, and has enabled it to make spectacular territorial gains. Such rapid changes of fortune on the battlefield in Afghanistan are traditionally fuelled by individuals and communities swiftly changing to the winning side. Families send their young men to fight for both the government and the Taliban as a form of insurance. Swift surrenders by cities and districts avoid retribution, while over-long resistance leads to massacre.

There was a similar pattern in 2001. While Washington and its local allies in the Northern Alliance were trumpeting their easy victory over the Taliban, the latter’s fighters were returning unscathed to their villages, or slipping across the border into Pakistan to wait for better days. These came four or five years later, when the Afghan government had done enough to discredit itself.

The great strength of the Taliban is that the movement has always had the support of Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state with a powerful army, a population of 216 million, and a 1,616-mile-long border with Afghanistan. The US and UK never sufficiently took on board that unless they were prepared to confront Pakistan, they could not win the war.

Other strengths of the Taliban are a core of fanatical, experienced commanders and fighters who are rooted in the Pashtun community, which makes up 40 per cent of the Afghan population. A Pakistani colonel commanding irregular Pashtun troops just across the border from Afghanistan once queried me about American and British efforts “to win hearts and minds” in heavily Pashtun southern Afghanistan. He thought their chances of success were low, since, he said, experience had taught him that a central feature of Pashtun culture was that “they really hate foreigners”.

Propaganda about “nation-building” by foreign occupiers in Afghanistan and Iraq was always patronising and unrealistic. National self-determination is not something that can be fostered by foreign forces, whatever their supposed good intentions. They invariably consult their own interests first and last, and the Afghan government’s reliance on them delegitimised it in the eyes of Afghans, depriving it of roots within Afghan society.

The vast sums of money available because of US expenditure produced a kleptocratic elite. The US has spent $144bn on development and reconstruction, but some 54 per cent of Afghans live below the poverty line, with earnings of less than $1.90 a day.

An Afghan friend who had once worked for United States Agency for International Development (USAID) explained to me some of the mechanics of how corruption was able to flourish. He said that American aid officials in Kabul thought it too dangerous for them personally to visit projects they were financing. Instead, they stayed in their heavily defended offices and relied on photographs and videos to show them the progress of the projects they were paying for.

On occasion, they would send an Afghan employee like my friend to see for himself what was happening on the ground. On a visit to Kandahar to monitor the building of a vegetable-packing plant, he discovered that a local company akin to a film studio would, for a fee, take convincing pictures of work in progress. Using extras and a suitable backdrop, they were able to show employees in a shed busily sorting carrots and potatoes, though no such facility existed.

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On another occasion, the Afghan aid official had discovered evidence of a fraud, though this time there had been little attempt to conceal it. After looking in vain for a well-funded but non-existent chicken farm near Jalalabad, he met with its proprietors, who pointed out to him that it was a long road back to Kabul. Interpreting this as a threat to murder him if he exposed them, he kept quiet and resigned from his job soon afterwards.

Foreign aid has built real schools and clinics, but corruption has corroded every government institution. On the military frontline, it means “ghost” soldiers, and the garrisons of threatened outposts left without enough food and ammunition.

None of this is new. Visiting Kabul and other cities over the years, I came to feel that the Taliban had limited support, but that everybody viewed government officials as parasites to be circumvented or bribed. In Kabul, a prosperous real-estate dealer – not a business normally sympathetic to radical change – told me that it was impossible for a system so saturated by corruption “to continue without a revolution”.

Instead, government failure has enabled the Taliban to believe that they can return to power within a year. Such a prospect frightens many people. What, for instance, will be the response of the 4 million Hazara minority, who are Shia by religion and are close to Iran? Earlier this year, bombs in Kabul killed 85 Hazara girls and teachers as they left their school. As in 2001, the forever war in Afghanistan is far from over.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. UNIT472 says:

    Yes, its time for the bloodbath these worthless people so richly deserve. If the ‘international community’ will just leave these barbaric people alone they will sink into unspeakable violence and poverty. No international aid flowing in and no Afghans coming out. In fact, we should deport those Afghans who have arrived in Europe and North America back as a national security threat which they are sure to become as their homeland slides into chaos.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Shamil
  2. huisache says:

    A friend who served in the US military over there came back and told me early on that we would not ‘win’ and said nobody ever won a war in Afghanistan and nobody ever would—and gave me the same explanation you have rendered here.

    I enjoy all your reports even though you are not as witty as your dad, whose books I relish. But who could be?

  3. If we do it just right it’s over for us. We made fags out of half our military. As the military continues to descend into woke corruption the US will be incapable of any further adventures. Next abandoned adventure: Iraq/Syria. Then the US navy. Once they have sucked the last drop of blood money out of defense appropriations the whole thing collapses into woke ineptitude and surrender. That will be a great day. The queer folk they’re left with will drop their weapons and stations. They will surrender faster than Afghans to the Taliban. Watch them. And THAT will be a great day too. As for us? We’ll defend ourselves locally, on the ground the way it was always meant to be.

  4. GayDad69 says:

    C.A. Bond thinks this is the Deep State pivoting to supporting the Taliban to destabilize the Wiggers in China. By abandoning all that military equipment and weapons, they have a convenient excuse for why the Wiggers are using American made weapons against Han Chinese troops.

    • Replies: @Rahan
    , @antibeast
  5. @UNIT472

    What? Are you drunk? The arrangements are being made for the Belt Road Initiatives. The silk road. The Taliban are a very different crew today. It might be join or die but those that join will have a far better outcome 20 years hence than today 20 years after the American fuck-a-thon began. It isn’t the Afghans that were corrupt, it was and is, US. Our leaching defense establishments milked it for all it was worth. 4500 dead? How many jewish boys were lost? MAYBE 0.00003%? The rest patriotic Republican country boys? Win-Win! I figure that might be in the neighborhood.

    • Replies: @UNIT472
  6. SafeNow says:

    “the war is far from over”

    Great essay, I learned a lot. But I do not understand the headline, and the last sentence, which say “the war” is far from over. “The war” ordinarily means the US involvement. I understand from the essay that the strife and killing are far from over. I guess that is the essay’s expanded meaning of “the war.” Or, is the author saying that there will be so much killing that the US will be drawn back in… having created a disaster, we must go back and fix it.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  7. UNIT472 says:
    @Jim Christian

    There is NEVER going to be a ‘Silk Road’ across Asia because road or rail can’t handle the cargo volume needed and there isn’t enough population density along the route to make it worthwhile. Its why Russia can’t develop its Far East.

    The best we can hope for is the chaos in Afghanistan spreads into Pakistan and Iran and destabilizes those two worthless nations.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @El Dato
  8. guest007 says:

    An old joke told by many Vietnam vets is that the U.S. should have put all of its allies in ships off the coast of Vietnam, nuked the country, and then sank the boats. No side, clan, tribe, ethnic group is worth supporting in Afghanistan the same as in Vietnam. That is why the wisdom of staying out of land wars in Asia still holds.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  9. Rahan says:
    @GayDad69

    By abandoning all that military equipment and weapons, they have a convenient excuse for why the Wiggers are using American made weapons against Han Chinese troops.

    One is reminded of “the mysterious Negroes” which Russian soldiers discovered among enemy corpses during the fast war with Georgia.
    https://lenta.ru/news/2008/08/10/dead/

    But seriously, if a) Pakistan has influence over the Taliban, and b) Pakistan is an ally of China…

    Although Pakistan is also allegedly a US ally as well.

  10. antibeast says:
    @GayDad69

    The US Deep State could try destabilizing Afghanistan by using the Wiggers but even with US-made weapons, the Wiggers are not going to last a week against the Taliban which has come out in support of China’s BRI. There is no need for Chinese troops to fight the Wiggers as the Taliban will wipe out whatever ISIS cells still extant in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  11. Too much money is a real problem for US war winning capability. It creates a get-rich-quick culture that attracts unreliable allies who are in it for the money rather than for their country.

  12. @guest007

    Cockburn is right to reject these facile comparisons to Vietnam. But there are Viet’ echos there —
    “The vast sums of money available because of US expenditure produced a kleptocratic elite.”
    Heroin is another similarity…. & an unsealable border, in this case Pakistan.

  13. Miro23 says:

    The great strength of the Taliban is that the movement has always had the support of Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state with a powerful army, a population of 216 million, and a 1,616-mile-long border with Afghanistan. The US and UK never sufficiently took on board that unless they were prepared to confront Pakistan, they could not win the war.

    China is also best friends with Pakistan (the route of their Belt and Road initiative) plus they’re offering the Taliban non-political infrastructure deals. Result that these supposedly foreigner hating Pashtun Taliban have a positive view of China.

    So, it looks like the US, UK and India and their corrupt thieving Afghan collaborators are the losers here.

    • Replies: @raga10
  14. @SafeNow

    Escobar in his latest post says that America is hoping for chaos in Afghanistan so as to destablize the various ‘Stans’ and southern Russia.

  15. US participation cancelled due to lack of interest, but the forces at play have not lost interest in the US. Expect more episodes closer to home.

  16. @UNIT472

    You’re praying hard for misery. Why can’t the world be permitted to do business and by extension and cooperation the U.S. join in and feed our products into the Road? Why do you prefer chaos? Pakistan, India and China will get the Road done. If they have to kill us all. One day the world is going to tire of our belligerence. The U.S. isn’t as strong as it thinks.

    And again I ask, are you drunk? Or just a mean old cuss? Lotta venomous rhetoric there.

    • Replies: @Malla
  17. El Dato says:
    @UNIT472

    You seem to use the epitet “worthless” quite a lot.

    There is NEVER going to be a ‘Silk Road’ across Asia because road or rail can’t handle the cargo volume needed

    Gee I wonder how we did it until now.

    The best we can hope for is the chaos in Afghanistan spreads into Pakistan and Iran and destabilizes those two worthless nations.

    Your Jewish tendencies are showing.

    • Replies: @UNIT472
  18. UNIT472 says:
    @El Dato

    Shipping is how stupid! You ever see a train carrying 20,000 forty foot containers or a million barrels of oil? Can’t be done. You aren’t worth arguing with because your negro level IQ is showing.

  19. GayDad69 says:
    @antibeast

    You misunderstand me.

    The US Deep State is trying to use the Taliban against China as they used the Mujahadeen against the USSR in the 1970s (I think) and 1980s.

    China cannot count on resupply by sea because they are surrounded by rivals and bottlenecks, and destroying shipping is so easy that any 2nd world nation can do it as well as most 3rd world nations.

    China is deeply hostile to Russia and is pursuing both a Mexican-style strategy where they seize resource rich land and farmland from Russia via illegal immigration, and planning to invade militarily as soon as they can get away with it. This is why China is behind so many hacks of US infrastructure, they want to goad their two most dangerous rivals (China sees everyone as a rival, much like the jews) into a war, then loot the corpses. They do this in collusion with the absolute morons in the DNC and Deep State who are too fucking stupid to see that they’re being played.

    To be fair much of the hatred of Russia comes from jews angry that they were expelled from their playground several times over the past few centuries, and they have fewer goyisch children to rape. There’ s that fabled jewish “intelligence” again, the inability to see more than two steps ahead and being too narcissistic to be aware of their lack of wisdom or charisma.

    Anyways, China needs access to resources in central Asia, and they need trade routes from central Asia to Europe and Africa. They can’t go through India or Russia because they are planning to destroy or betray India and Russia, respectively.

    Pakistan is an ally but they are unreliable. Iran is an ally (for now) but they are demanding, and subtly hostile to Pakistan while also aligned with India against Pakistan.

    What China must do is thread the needle of economic development and diplomacy to prevent yet another Afghan civil war while enriching the Afghans. The USA wants to spoil this by arming the Taliban and denying China the central Asia resupply route. They hope will draw in other central Asian powers and destabilize the entire region, and that the weapons and jihadis will find their way to Wiggeristan to distract and delay China’s naval development (which to be honest is abysmal).

    I think that China will win the central Asian war of the diplomats because the Afghans aren’t dumb enough to fall for such a transparent trick, and because China has experienced much that the Afghans have (civil war, famine, genocide, religious war, foreign occupation, mass drug addiction, general 3rd world shithole conditions) and can more readily give them what they want and need. The Afghans will of course negotiate with China using the Deep State bullshit as leverage to get a better deal.

    Who knows, maybe the Afghans will be able to pressure China into not genociding the Wiggers. To be fair to the Chinese, the Wiggers are incredibly dumb and prefer to massacre unarmed civilians rather than leeching off the Chinese state or attacking infrastructure. They are making it as easy as possible for the Chinese to solidify internal support for a Wigger genocide. Perhaps their Afghan cousins can persuade them to be less retarded (or maybe the Chinese can expel them).

    If the Chinese were very smart (they’re not), they would send them all to Europe as refugees, or at least all the men. There the Wiggers would commit atrocities against the Europeans further degrading their public support, and China would get free territory and internal cohesion.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Verymuchalive
  20. antibeast says:
    @GayDad69

    Let me get this straight: the US Deep State wants to arm the Taliban against China so that the Wigger Jihadists can get their arms from the Taliban? But the Taliban is against the Wigger Jihadists who have mostly joined the Al-Qaeda/ISIS in Iraq and Syria but not in Afghanistan because those Wigger Jihadists know that the Taliban will turn them into mince meat in Afghanistan. As for the Wiggers in Xinjiang, China has already ‘contained’ the threat of Al-Qaeda/ISIS by isolating the Wiggers from the Jihadists. That’s why the US Deep State is crying foul and blaming China for the alleged ‘genocide’ of the Wiggers in Xinjiang because it can no longer deploy their Al-Qaeda/ISIS agents to destabilize Xinjiang. That’s also the same problem that the US Deep State has with the Taliban because the suicide bombers of Al-Qaeda/ISIS are ineffective in the mountainous terrain of rural Afghanistan, as 20 years of US/NATO drone bombings have proven. Besides that, Afghanistan is now surrounded on all sides by countries friendly to the Taliban and hostile to the Al-Qaeda/ISIS agents of the US Deep State. The Taliban has proven itself to be an effective albeit ruthless political force which commands the loyalty and support of the vast majority of the Afghan population, which is the only thing that matters in Afghanistan.

    The rest of your post sounds like cope to me as China does not need Afghanistan as much as Afghanistan needs China. What China has to do is to expand the CPEC to connect Afghanistan to Pakistan, which solves the main problem of land-locked countries such as Afghanistan: access to sea lanes via the Gwadar Port. The rest depends on how the Taliban rules Afghanistan, not on how China helps rebuild Afghanistan. One thing is sure though, the fact that the US military has left Bagram means that the US Empire is finally out of Central Asia, ipso facto implying that there is NOTHING — NOT A THING — that the US Deep State can do now to destabilize Afghanistan which is surrounded on all sides by countries friendly to the Taliban: Russia, Central Asian ‘Stans, China, Pakistan and Iran.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  21. GayDad69 says:
    @antibeast

    You’re clearly very mad that someone on the internet disagreed with you. For that I prescribe 20 mg of lolcalmdown in suppository form.

    The wiggers are IIRC Sunni, and some variety of Turkic, so they should get along reasonably well with the Taliban should the Taliban choose to value religion and to a lesser degree ethnicity (there are some Turkic Taliban) over realpolitik.

    And the Wiggers are being genocided. That China is using tactics used against ethnic Europeans doesn’t make it not a genocide if the end result is ethnic replacement.

    My points about the Wiggers are:
    1. They’re being genocided.
    2. They pretty much deserve it for being very stupid and very violent.

    They look European, so if they had any sense at all they would just lay around and smoke their hookahs while cucking Han men until the CCP lost power in some inevitable internal struggle, then they can throw off the Chinese and do their own thing (which if they’re like most Muslims would be tribal conflict). Instead they choose to go on melee killing sprees with triple digit kill counts, which while impressive isn’t the most optics friendly tactic.

    Conflicts are complicated, they encompass religion, ethnicity, relatedness, gender, age, class, pretty much possible facet of experience.

    And BTW, the US isn’t out of Afghanistan, we still have about 1000 special forces goons there. Just like we do in Syria, despite not being invited. It sucks, but that’s what is actually happening. As much as I prefer them out of there, they aren’t going anywhere until the Deep State is removed from power.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @antibeast
  22. antibeast says:
    @GayDad69

    Sorry but you’re wrong. The Wiggers don’t have support from the Taliban which started as an Afghan ‘Islamist’ movement founded by Afghan students in Pakistan which took over Kabul following the Afghan Civil War at the end of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Originally led by Pashtuns, the Taliban has since morphed into an Afghan ‘Nationalist’ movement comprising different ethnic and tribal groups in Afghanistan such as the Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, etc. That’s why the Taliban has been able to control 85% of Afghanistan just a few weeks after the US military left Bagram.

    Unlike Iraq and Syria which borders Turkey, Afghanistan is surrounded on all sides by countries friendly to the Taliban and hostile to the Al Qaeda/ISIS agents of the US Deep State. As there is no equivalent of a third-party haven for Al Qaeda/ISIS in Central Asia, the US Deep State can not possibly move its Al Qaeda/ISIS agents to destabilize Afghanistan, unlike Iraq and Syria which had Turkey serving as a haven for Al Qaeda/ISIS cells as well as a conduit for arms/materials across their borders. Compared to Iraq and Syria, Afghanistan has a different history and geography which makes urban terrorist outfits like Al Qaeda/ISIS pretty useless in Afghanistan. Lastly, there is no deep sectarian divisions in Afghanistan, such as the Sunni vs Shiite divide in Iraq and Syria nor is there any tribal independence movements in Afghanistan such as the Kurds in Iraq and Syria.

    What Westerners don’t understand is that the Taliban is largely a POLITICAL movement, aimed at establishing an Afghan State based on Islamic Sharia Law, with no ideological relationship whatsoever to the CIA/MI6/Mossad-created and Saudi-funded TERRORIST movement of Al-Qaeda/ISIS which did recruit the Wiggers and turned them into Jihadists in order to destabilize Xinjiang. But China has already ‘contained’ the threat of Al-Qaeda/ISIS by isolating the Wiggers from the Jihadists which has displeased the US Deep State considerably. The Taliban would have no qualms squashing any Al-Qaeda/ISIS agents inside Afghanistan, including the Wiggers if they are discovered to be Jihadists.

    The US military left Bagram last July 3rd in the middle of the night without even notifying the Afghan National Army. The last US troops will most likely leave Kabul by the end of July as the Biden Administration begins the evacuation of its Afghan interpreters as well as its Kabul collaborators by flying them out of Kabul Airport. With no US military bases left in the region, the US Empire is finally out of Central Asia which consists of land-locked countries inaccessible by sea lanes, thus precluding the US Navy from projecting its air-power over the region.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @GayDad69
  23. d dan says:
    @antibeast

    “… recruit the Wiggers and turned them into Jihadists in order to destabilize Xinjiang”

    You shouldn’t be led by that racist idiot commenter in using the word “Wiggers.” The name is Uyghurs or Uighurs – beautiful people with rich culture that live mostly peacefully with Han Chinese longer than the existence of most Western countries.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @GayDad69
  24. antibeast says:
    @d dan

    Yes, I know. But it’s not my job to teach them basic manners here.

  25. GayDad69 says:
    @antibeast

    I’m not going to spend any effort learning the proper names of every goddamn wog on the fucking planet. I don’t give a fuck, it sounds like wiggers, and it pisses off soyface faggots, so Wiggers it is.

    I don’t see why you consider “trolling” an insult, it’s a badge of pride. I take hear t knowing that I’ve done my part to drive journalists insane.

    I really don’t give a fuck about the Wiggers, the chinks, or the Taliban. I stated before that I think china (with help from Russia, Iran, and the surrounding Muslim states) will probably pull of a diplomatic victory and secure land trade routes. I also said that the Deep State will try to spoil it as they did vs Russia.

    None of what I’m saying disagrees with you, either with what I think will happen (everyone but the US Deep State wins) or who the most bad guys are (the US Deep State).

    You seem to think that all Americans == US Deep State. This is amazing reductive for someone who will go out of his way to point out the proper names of some group literally on the other side of the planet who by all rights I should not know exist nor have any dealings with, simply because I have no reason to interfere in their affairs nor they mine.

    The USA left their bases so they have plausible deniability for supplying their local goons with American weaponry. They can say it was looted from a US base in Afghanistan when they left. I don’t understand why you don’t get this. You seem to think that by saying that this is happening, I support it somehow (I don’t).

    I think you just want to get the last word in, presumably because you have little else going on or you are autistic enough to care about such things (among them being 100% correct in all things you say and do on the internet). If that’s the case, I’ll be the bigger man and let you have the last word.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @GayDad69
  26. GayDad69 says:
    @d dan

    Consider my reply to antibeast a reply to you as well.

    • Troll: d dan
  27. GayDad69 says:
    @GayDad69

    correction: vs Russia aka the USSR in their war vs Afghan insurgents backed by the Saudis and CIA.

  28. @GayDad69

    China is deeply hostile to Russia and is pursuing both a Mexican-style strategy where they seize resource rich land and farmland from Russia via illegal immigration, and planning to invade militarily as soon as they can get away with it.

    Where’s the evidence that (1) China is using illegal immigrants to seize “rich land and farmland” from Russia, (2) is planning to invade Russia. Please enlighten.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  29. The most lucid and reasonable article I have ever read from Cockburn. The pills they’re giving him must be working!
    No mention is ever given to the numbers game, but this is basic to the whole equation. The Soviets had 120,000 troops maximum, then reduced to 90,000 or less. The Americans had 150,000 troops maximum, later reduced to the tens of thousands.
    In WWII, the Germans occupied a similar mountainous nation, Norway. To ensure effective occupation they had 440,000 troops there right to the end of the war. This for a nation of less than 3 million. Afghanistan has over 30 million, so a comparable occupation force would be over 3 million troops.
    The Soviet and American forces were never remotely large enough. In 2001-2, the Americans had 2 logical choices. (1) Declare a victory and leave. (2) Stay for a short time, build up anti-Taliban groups and then leave. Long term occupation was irrational and self-defeating.

    • Agree: Malla
  30. GayDad69 says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Well here in the USA, Mexico (which is incredibly racist even by my standards) sends trouble makers and undesirables to the USA. Basically their mestizo and indio underclass, plus people who are too dumb or impulsive to go along with the cartels and their power networks. Those that don’t take the hint and leave are killed.

    Once here, they commit fraud to get ID cards, then get on public benefits while working under the table or with a different name. It’s routine to see a 4’11” mestizo goblina with two grocery carts full of cheap food, which she pays for with food stamps and loads into a brand new SUV.

    Along with benefits fraud, many illegals moonlight as minor cartel enforcers (just beatings and intimidation, few actually kill), drug trafficking, and low level organized crime.

    Once there are enough of them, the local jews and Catholic Community Services gets them voting for Democrats, and they buy up the houses. My hometown went from 98% White to 12% White in 25 years, and now you can’t walk around at night without fending off mesizo hookers being pimped out by the drug addled children of 1st generation illegals.

    Mexico isn’t competent enough to defend these people, or invade to do so on their behalf, however China is (though maybe not against Russia).

    In any case war via migration is both ancient and effective, as it gets you a friendly 5th column in rival territory, it denies rivals income for their people in their own lands, and it provides an excuse for war (or at least political pressure) when authorities in the rival nation crack down on crime and corruption from your 5th column.

    Russia has invaded several nations at least nominally to protect Russian-speakers (actually to harm territorial integrity preventing NATO integration), so it stands to reason that china would do the same. Especially when china has ruined via pollution a lot of their arable land, of which they didn’t have much, and a lot of their water table, and they need good farmland for staple crops… hence their expansion into Africa, though that’s also for other resources and to deny those resources to their rivals.

    I doubt china would go to war with Russia though, unless Russia is crippled in a war with the USA. That would also cripple the USA, which may be why china is pressuring the assets in the USA to blame Russia for chinese hacking and election interference. If America blames Russia, Russia is forced closer to china.

    china specializes in long range scheming such as this, they literally wrote the book on dirty tricks to use in war and politics.

  31. Malla says:
    @Jim Christian

    Pakistan, India and China will get the Road done.

    India will get the road done??? What are you smoking??
    India is the most anti-BRI nation in the World, far more than the USA, partly because BRI passes through territory which by Indian law is Indian.
    Check out the Indian Deep State position on the BRI via its outlet WION


    Gravitas: Bangladesh: Next in China’s trap?


    Gravitas: Is China exporting crime through Belt & Road project?

    Not BRI friendly is it?
    Indeed India might be actively sabotaging the BRI as much as it can. The Indian deep state is an egoistical idiot. Little jealous kid crying because it did not do the homework and thus did not come first.

  32. raga10 says:
    @Miro23

    Result that these supposedly foreigner hating Pashtun Taliban have a positive view of China.

    The question is how long that will last – currently (luke)warm relationship between Taliban and China can easily change, just like relationship between Taliban and USA changed… and then? Well, to be honest it is my fondest wish to see China bogged down in another useless intervention in Afghanistan. USA and Russia had a crack at it, maybe now it’s China’s turn. Go on, have at it!

  33. Shamil says:
    @UNIT472

    Feel sorry for the uterus that brought forth a scum like you to the world. Let me tell you what the fight in Afghanistan is all about. The West wants to turn all traditional (barbaric to you) societies with thousands of years history into cuckold, wife swapping, LGBT nations. They tried hard to “liberate” the women, teach children about “equality”, with the eventual goal of killing chivalry and manliness in that society. They wanted to turn Afghans into fags and trannies. The Afghans simply did not fall for that. While you, white cuckold, wife swapping vermin sit behind your phone typing shit, while your wives and daughters are swiping phones to find black dicks— the Afghans are fighting to throw off Satanic plans for the region.

  34. Paul C says:

    I worked in Afghanistan 3 different times as an armed security operator conducting mobile security OPS in many central and eastern provinces.

    I last deployed in 2013 with a gap of 3 years since I was last there. I was expecting a lot of progress but instead was shocked at how anti-western and even more corrupt the security forces had become, especially the police (ANP).

    During my time crisscrossing the country, all I saw was a worthless, undeserving population that loved the USD but had nothing but contempt for Americans and EU types.

    America’s blood and treasure have been training the police (ANP) and military (ANA) for 2 decades with the best weapons and equipment yet the Taliban continuous to make tremendous territorial gains. Of course we continue to hear the drum beat from our military and geopolitical experts and conservative think tanks (fools) that we need to stay the course because the Afghans need more training!

    If you look at a map, China and Russia are shaking their collective heads at their good fortune of America’s stupidity as we fight an insurgency in their backyard! Surely the minute we pull out of Afghanistan, Russia and China will feel the pain and consequences of the Afghanistan nightmare.
    I witnessed firsthand America’s nation building madness in Afghanistan and the futility of trying to Americanize those barbarians.

    I say it’s time to pull out our military and ALL contractors out of that worthless savage land!

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