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My favourite slogan about Brexit over the past three years is written in large white letters on a red gable wall in the Tigers Bay district of Belfast. It was painted before the referendum of 2016 and, below a union flag, reads: “Vote Leave EU. Rev 18:4.”

The biblical reference is to a verse in the Book of Revelations that reads: “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

These seemed to me, when I first saw a picture of the mural, to be compelling reasons for leaving the EU and about as truthful as many other reasons advanced by those in favour of doing so. The verse cited is, in fact, more pertinent to the issue of resisting a large and oppressive international organisation than the muralist may have realised. Revelations is filled with mysterious references to monsters, such as the “beast from the land” and the “beast from the sea” who has “seven heads and 10 horns”. But experts consider these weird creatures to be coded hostile references to the Roman Empire and to Roman Emperors who were persecuting the early Christians, of whom the author of Revelations was one, in Asia Minor at the end of the first century AD.

The Belfast muralist has finally got their way as the UK escapes from the supposedly diabolical clutches of the EU. Leavers consider today to be one of liberation and Remainers lament a self-inflicted disaster that they see as being against the flow of history. But in both cases, this is a very west European view that gives a very partial and misleading view of recent history: if we include the eastern side of the European continent from the Atlantic to the Urals over the past 30 years, the trend towards the greater integration within the EU is more than counter-balanced by disintegration to the east.

The break-up of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia in the 1990s are seldom considered to have any lessons for the EU: the Soviet Union was believed by much of the rest of the world as an evil empire and Yugoslavia similarly as a sort of mini evil empire, the demise of both being both inevitable and a good thing.

But the forces favouring disintegration that broke up the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia have ominous points in common with those now threatening the EU. Fairly or unfairly, people outside the decision-making hub in Moscow, Belgrade and Brussels felt that their wishes were being ignored and power monopolised by unrepresentative elites at the centre. Local politicians rode a nationalist wave, claiming that all sorts of good things would happen once self-determination had been achieved.

In some cases, these promises were kept; in others they were soon discarded and forgotten, at least by those who made them. In many senses, we have long been living in an era of disintegration without quite realising it, as multinational federations break up and international organisations, such as the UN and World Trade Organisation (WTO), fragment or become moribund. President Emmanuel Macron was lambasted for describing Nato as “braindead”, but it is scarcely alone. This trend is obscured because academics and politicians in western Europe have tended to be enthusiasts for the EU and for the integration of nation states, as if there was no chance of a shift in the opposite direction. Timothy Less, of the Centre of Geopolitics and Grand Strategy at Cambridge, formerly a diplomat at the Foreign Office specialising in eastern Europe, points out that there have always been plenty of expert institutions in Europe “focusing on integration, but very few study disintegration”. Along with others with experience of eastern Europe in recent decades, he is sceptical about the prospects for the EU surviving the permanent crisis stemming from the diverging national interests of its members.

The nation state is being re-energised because multinational entities like the EU failed to cope successfully issues like immigration, deindustrialisation and globalisation. But the process of disintegration happens within as well as between states, producing winners and losers in close proximity to each other. In the UK, the referendum and two general elections highlighted the political and economic split between metropolitan cities plugged into the global economy and the hinterland around core urban areas. The gilets jaunes in France draw on a similar pattern of support, as does Donald Trump in the US.

A central question for both the UK and the EU post-Brexit is whether or not this impulse towards disintegration will continue, or whether it will be counterbalanced by a contrary trend towards consolidation. The Brexit crisis fostered the growth of nationalism in England and Scotland, as well as of nationalist/Catholic and unionist/Protestant nationalism in Northern Ireland. The Scottish National Party leaders were jubilant at their success in the general election in December as were Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland, encouraged by the Tories abandoning the DUP and proposed tariff barrier down the Irish Sea.

But the break-up of the UK may be further off than many believe at the height of the crisis because a strong Tory majority makes Scottish and Irish separatism less of a practical possibility. The SNP might have been better off avoiding a general election and keeping a weak minority Tory government in office, whose feebleness would have further disillusioned Scots with the union. In Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein is very much a constitutional party these days, looking for Irish unity to be delivered by demographic change and a border poll.

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As for the EU, it has looked strong when negotiating with weak UK governments, but in other tests of strength, such as defending the nuclear deal with Iran from demolition by Trump, it has been pathetically ineffectual. For all its commercial clout, it appears incapable of withstanding pressure from the US, Russia and China. The decay of multinational institutions and alliances may not lead to an apocalyptic crisis, as the author of Revelations foretold, but it will certainly produce a more dangerous world.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. An interesting and thoughtful column, but I think the author has missed a key element in what he terms the disintegration of things.

    And that is the aggressive posture of the US in trying preserve its privileges and expand them and to avoid its continuing relative decline.

    Trump’s approach to almost all international organizations has been ugly. And it does not come from any sense of these organizations having failed, but from the sense of their failing to put the US first. It is, if you will, the most rudimentary selfishness. Just like his Mideast policies of giving away other people’s things in return for all the campaign contributions he could ever hope to spend.

    Because of its imperial status, when America does something completely selfish in international affairs, it sends shockwaves through many places.

    Trump is, though, only the bellowing rude end of the American political spectrum. He couldn’t do what he does if he had serious opposition from the rest of the American establishment, including the Democratic Party.But he has none. No defenders of civil relations with China, and certainly none for Iran or Venezuela or Russia.

    No defenders of the UN – to whom the US owes one billion dollars in back dues – or of UNESCO or of the ICC or of the WTO.

    No one, of course, defends the EU interest against the fragmentation of Brexit. America’s glad to see the EU weakened, and it will now, to some degree, have Britain at its mercy. From the American point of view, none of this is disintegration. It is new opportunity.

    No prominent American politicians or public figures speak out against any of Trump’s outrages abroad.

    The missing opposition reflects the aggressive posture of the entire American establishment in trying to reclaim what it regards as its lost place in the sun.

    But Trump has failed at virtually his every international trade and affairs effort. Even his much-vaunted China deal amounts to remarkably little. It could almost be described as a tactical ploy by China rather than the beginning of any startlingly new relationship.

    His international affairs pressures against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Iraq are all failing, although, they do hurt a lot of people. His “deal” for Palestine is a nasty joke, a schoolboy prank, although it will bring him all the campaign contributions anyone could dream of having for the election. Self over international interests and fairness.

    America’s effort to regain its place of 1959 and to avoid the inevitable multi-polar world emerging is without a doubt doomed ultimately to fail, but it can, and will, cause a good deal of pain in the meantime.

    Look how long American pounded its head against a wall in Vietnam, creating literally a holocaust. And its now eighteen years of bombing peasants in Afghanistan. And its bloody, pointless invasion of Iraq which actually had side-effects working against America’s own interests.

    America is slow learner, a very brutal one.

  2. … people outside the decision-making hub in Moscow, Belgrade and Brussels felt that their wishes were being ignored and power monopolised by unrepresentative elites at the centre.

    One might posit that it was not lost on the peoples and local politicians in the sticks that much of the wealth generated in the economy was being sucked up by the elite in the power centres who enjoyed lives of relative comfort and privilege while the average folk lived somewhat brutish lives of deprivation while being subjected to a campaign of fear to keep them in their places.

  3. Polemos says:
    @John Chuckman

    An interesting and thoughtful column, but I think the author has missed a key element in what he terms the disintegration of things

    Where does Israel fit into your story?

    Where does the devil?

  4. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Mystery Babylon

    The warning given in Rev 18:4 is in reference to a future prophecy that deals with the last great evil empire on earth. There is no possible way to truthfully utilize this prophetic verse in reference to current or past events!

    Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    [MORE]

    When Mystery Babylon is revealed the Great Whore will be destroyed, and God’s Elect will be persecuted for three and a half years.

    Mystery Babylon in a spiritual sense alludes to both the false Christ and the False Prophet. They will represent the greatest deception the world has ever seen, even surpassing that of the Great Whore (2 Thes 2:8-12; Rev 13:11-14).

    Mark 13:22 For a false Christ and a false prophet shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

    The correct interpretation of Mark 13:22, is a false christ and a false prophet shall rise. This verse is in reference to the last days, a time of great deception unlike any other.

    Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    https://destinedtoberevealed.com/mystery-babylon-is-revealed/

    The Destruction of the Great Whore

    Those who are quick to shed blood and love dishonest gain will be taken out. This further proves that this is indeed an end-time prophecy.

    Rev 17:16-17 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the (great) whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    The Judgment of the Great Whore comes as a result of the fourth beast system that will expose and crush her. As the creator of all false religions, it will be easy for Satan to expose the great carnage that they produced, and through lying signs and wonders convince the world that he is their long-awaited messiah.

    Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    This fourth Beast is also the final kingdom on earth before the return of Yahshua the Messiah.

    Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour (or make accusations against) the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    This last and short-lived kingdom will definitely change the daily events for everyone.

    2 Thess 2:9-12 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    The Judgment of the Great Whore (aka – the false Israel, political and financial zionism, and kaballah believing power-hungry jewish world leaders) is at the hands of the ten kings who are a part of the last kingdom on earth before the return of Yahshua the Messiah.

    • The judgment of Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots, (or whores) is at the end of the Great Tribulation period, however, the Judgment of the Great Whore occurs at the beginning.
    • The Great Whore is not Mystery Babylon, as one gives birth to the other.
    • The Great Whore is not Mystery Babylon, as this Whore is destroyed by ten kings (Rev 17:16).
    • Mystery Babylon is destroyed by God Himself (Rev 18:20-23).

    https://destinedtoberevealed.com/the-great-whore-is-not-mystery-babylon/

    Rev 18:4 End Times Prophecy

    Alright, now let’s return to this famous but misunderstood verse from the word of God!

    Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    Further proof that those who are commanded to come out from her, (referring to Mystery Babylon) are those alive during the final 3-1/2 years of this current earth age is revealed in the following verses.

    Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

    Again in this verse, the future ten kings who reign with the Beast are mentioned – see also Dan 7:7, Rev 17:16-17

    Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

    https://destinedtoberevealed.com/the-identity-of-the-great-whore-revealed/

    Characteristics of the Great Whore

    The identity of the Great Whore Is Revealed by exposing those that have made their own law and commandments, and have turned many from the truth. They profess to know God, but their fruits prove this to be a lie. They are detestable in their idolatry, disobedient to the Law of Christ, and are polluted in their own wisdom.

    The very minds and souls of this wicked people are defiled (1 Tim 4:2; Isa 5:20; 1 Cor 3:19).

    Her leaders are like unto wolves that devour their prey. These people use oppression on the poor and those in need, and they are without compassion.

    They take what is not rightfully theirs, and with great cruelty trample down those around them unnecessarily.

    They are also quick to shed blood and love dishonest gain which is covetousness.

    The most wicked of these men are the Narcissists; this group is especially heinous, as they destroy not only mankind but also the earth as well (Rev 11:18; Isa 9:16).

    These modern day monsters, truly believe they are the elect of God and are superior to all others. These are high-minded and are in love with themselves.

    They are also boasters, proud, blasphemers, trucebreakers, false accusers, fierce and despisers of those that are good.

    These traitors are lovers of pleasures, more than lovers of God, they will be judged at the appearance of Yahshua and His kingdom (2 Tim 3:1-9; 4:1).

    https://destinedtoberevealed.com/covenant-replacement-theology/

    Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially they of the circumcision

    Judaism is a man-made religion. It is not at all representative of the faith or beliefs of Abrahah, Isaac or Jacob.

    Judaism, for the most part, is a secret Satanic cult based primarily on superstition, racism, and deceit. This is evidenced by the demonic writings contained within the talmud and kabbalah.

    Zionism and judaism have been synthesized in that this combination is hard to separate.
    Even if they claim to be atheists, the leaders who control this Cabal have a mindset of supremacy and self-worship.

    Make no mistake about it, the root cause of violence that is perpetrated across the globe by organized jewery, stems from the belief system that originated from the babylonian talmud (aka modern day judaism).

    Communism, talmudism, and zionism are three ugly heads of the same monster in our midst. The perverse, sick and insane teachings contained within the talmud alone, represent a murderous hatred of humanity in general, and Yahshua and His followers in particular.

    The complacency when it comes to the plight of others (this is especially disturbing when it occurs within the so-called Christian church) with regards to the ongoing unimaginable crimes against humanity has enabled the judaiazers and zionists with the ability to subvert all of our major western institutions.

    We are bankrupt physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and financially.

    The Judaic zionist plan is to replace God, family and nation controlled governments, with their somewhat secret (depending on the level of control they have amassed) jewish leadership.

    The irrational group-think mindset that would ignore (and thus condone) this behavior obviously leads to dysfunctional life decisions, and a mob rule sort of mentality.

    The mental coping mechanism necessary so as not be disturbed by the brutalization of the Palestinians or Syrians (and many other people groups) for an example, and thus allow for the justification of these crimes against humanity is the antithesis of all that is called good. And yet the Christian mantra is Love God and Love people. Really?

    Yahshua said it best when dealing with the fathers of what is now this modern-day talmudic cult called judaism.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do…

    judaism represents the beliefs and interpretations that are handed down by the founders or father(s) of this delusionary demonic inspired mythological cult. It is based primarily on self-worship, deceit, and destruction and as such is simply an abomination masquerading as a religion.

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    , @showmethereal
  5. We stumbled into World War One: after, found a solution.
    We stumbled into World War Two: after, found a solution.
    We are now stumbling into World War Three –
    We are in an apocalyptic crisis.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  6. TG says:

    “The nation state is being re-energised because multinational entities like the EU failed to cope successfully issues like immigration, deindustrialisation and globalisation”

    That depends on what you mean by “failed to cope successfully.” Excessive immigration is by deliberate plan, to hammer wages down, to inflate rents up, and to create economic growth that does not benefit the average person but does benefit the elites. “Deindustrialization,” similarly, to use the cheap labor of the overpopulated third world to gut labor costs in manufacturing. “Globalization” in general means to wipe out forces that operate in the general national interest, and put in place a system with no checks on the predations of elites financial institutions (Example A: Russia under Yeltsin).

    “Failed to cope?” It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
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  7. @TG

    In case you missed it Paddy Cockburn and ilk don’t like talking about immigration especially from third world countries for fear of being branded ‘wacist’ plus in exchange for ‘gibs’ and unfettered sexual enslavement of local girls, these people often vote for the political party he supports in Britain.

  8. @John Chuckman

    Zionism ruined America, and trump is just a symptom.

  9. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Chuckman

    And that is the aggressive posture of the US in trying preserve its privileges and expand them and to avoid its continuing relative decline.

    US military protection of free trade is the single reason why every other nation that matters has not been embroiled in war since WWII. In other words, any luxury you percieve is only due to the US’s so called privileges.

    Trump’s approach to almost all international organizations has been ugly.

    International organizations (to use your ridiculous generalization) are ugly. See how that works?

    And it does not come from any sense of these organizations having failed, but from the sense of their failing to put the US first.

    Where do you get this stuff? The pen of some communist eighteen year old with emotional incontinence? It doesn’t reflect the world whatsoever.

    Because of its imperial status, when America does something completely selfish in international affairs, it sends shockwaves through many places.

    You complain about America’s “imperial status”, and at the same time are essentially complaining about America’s slow withdrawal from its role as international cop. You have a conflicting / confused political perspective on the world that undermines your entitlement to a text wall response anywhere on this website.

    And if America is imperial, what does that make “international organizations” like the EU?

    Trump is, though, only the bellowing rude end of the American political spectrum.

    Sure, we forgot. Manners are supposed to allow the Far Left free reign. Who defines those “norms? The Far Left.

    He couldn’t do what he does if he had serious opposition from the rest of the American establishment, including the Democratic Party.But he has none.

    What has he done?

    No defenders of civil relations with China, and certainly none for Iran or Venezuela or Russia.

    Ok, commie. What “civil relations” in particular are you worried about, and why should the American public care about your noted nations that have a deep communist history or are currently communist? Why should Americans put totalitarian states above their own interests? You are defending several states with histories of grand genocide who have never been brought to justice.

    No defenders of the UN – to whom the US owes one billion dollars in back dues – or of UNESCO or of the ICC or of the WTO.

    We don’t “owe” any foreign organizations anything. George Washington warned us against foreign alliances. Moreover, if you want to start an audit then those orgs and their members will receive a large bill for services rendered for the past seven decades of policing and keeping open the world’s trade routes. Without that service, none of these orgs would exist and every one of their members would either be an embattled backwater (impoverished from continuous war) or nonexistent at this time.

    No one, of course, defends the EU interest against the fragmentation of Brexit.

    It axiomatic that an entity that only exist on paper, the EU, has no legitimate interest in / claim to British soil nor rule over it. Unless you believe in totalitarianism of foreign rule. In sum, Brussels has no legitimate nor moral voice over that of the people who inhabit Britain.

    No prominent American politicians or public figures speak out against any of Trump’s outrages abroad.

    What outrages?

    They should be polite. They are going to need to set up trade deals with us to survive.

    The missing opposition reflects the aggressive posture of the entire American establishment in trying to reclaim what it regards as its lost place in the sun.

    Your complaint is that your leaders won’t rage against ours? Sounds like a First World problem. Your leaders just realize that our leader and his assurance of your ability to trade without war is why you are currently First World.

    But Trump has failed at virtually his every international trade and affairs effort. Even his much-vaunted China deal amounts to remarkably little. It could almost be described as a tactical ploy by China rather than the beginning of any startlingly new relationship.

    Sounds like our problem. If its so inconsequential, its curious that you are so angry over it.

    His international affairs pressures against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Iraq are all failing, although, they do hurt a lot of people. His “deal” for Palestine is a nasty joke, a schoolboy prank, although it will bring him all the campaign contributions anyone could dream of having for the election. Self over international interests and fairness.

    Its totally reasonable to lump five nations under one response and expect people to see your writing as anything but incoherent. /sarc.

    America’s effort to regain its place of 1959 and to avoid the inevitable multi-polar world emerging is without a doubt doomed ultimately to fail, but it can, and will, cause a good deal of pain in the meantime.

    Regain our place? Read more. There is no nation in the world whose fate is not tied to our every move in the forseable future.

    Look how long American pounded its head against a wall in Vietnam, creating literally a holocaust. And its now eighteen years of bombing peasants in Afghanistan. And its bloody, pointless invasion of Iraq which actually had side-effects working against America’s own interests.

    You only tried to address three different nations and wars this time. At least you are making ever more progress to seeming ever less incoherent. But you aren’t yet there, obviously.

    America is slow learner, a very brutal one.

    Right, because the international peace that we assured at only our cost, over the past seventy years, didn’t lead to the most prosperous and peaceful time the World has ever known. Teach us whatever you have to teach us from whatever high violence nation the size of New Jersey, and with the GDP of Puerto Rico, that you hail from.

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    , @Herald
  10. Mr. Cockburn, I first clicked on your article to correct a spelling error. It is the book of Revelation, not Revelations. In a sense, it is still plural even without the “s”. If you are able to correct the title and the 4 other occurrences, I’m sure Mr. Unz’s software will either have it displayed correctly upon the next page loading or at least when some database internal script gets to it.

    Anyway, I think your view of the EU being the metaphorical subject of the Book of Revelation is kind of Euro-centric. It’s probably Ameri-centric of me, but perhaps this book is more about the American Feral Gov’t. It is a giant many-headed beast, and Father of our Country George Washington worried “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master.”

    It’s not America itself that is this beast, just the Feral government. However, the people are complicit in letting it grow to this fearsome master it is now, and for not having put it out of its misery yet.

    However, the Book of Revelation points out multiple beasts that will be seen, so you’ve got your EU over there, and we have our Washington, FS over here. The real question is who is this AntiChrist that is foretold in the book. Peak Stupidity, only partially in jest, has some suggestions on candidates.

  11. One more thing, just in the interest of introducing young people to good music, if nothing else:

    I’d made that same mistake for years, Mr. Cockburn, so don’t feel bad about that. Worse yet, for a long time I somehow had the predictions in the Book of Revelation mixed up with the predictions of the 16th-century Frenchman Nostradamus (often dubbed by his detractors “Nostradumbass”). That guy goes back only ~ 1/4 as far in history as Revelation does.

    The greatest and only artist of the history-rock genre, Al Stewart wrote a great song about the man who could see forward to our times, with “the veil of all the years sinking from his eyes like a stone.”

    (Note the line: “A great wall that divides a city at this time is cast aside.” Mr. Stewart wrote the song in the early 1970s. The Berlin Wall fell in 1989. Hmmmm…)

  12. @John Chuckman

    Great post. Indeed, the US is doing what the Germans did in the 1930s, assuming the world would be fine with comic-opera parades and posturing and offing anyone they didn’t like, Jews, political enemies, anyone who wasn’t Pure Aryan (inbred like the British Royals) and so on. The world would be fine with it, wouldn’t they? Annexing this, invading that, smaller nation or region, why not?

    Trump isn’t fringe, he’s the spirit animal of the US. Of course we’ll cry like stuck pigs as the US is walled off at the malignant tumor it is, and perhaps leveled like Germany was, if needed.

    (It probably won’t be needed, all the civilized world needs to do is wall us off and make sure the opioids etc keep flooding in, and the problem should be self-correcting.)

  13. muldoon55 says:
    @Anonymous

    Indeed God will permit Satan to bring into existence the final global tyrannical government ( the one every one has feared for decades ) to bring all of mankind into judgement with Himself.
    Everyone will be compelled to give their allegiance (receive the mark of the beast) to it under pain of death. Those who compromise have their names removed from Jesus’s book of life and are marked for death at God’s final war of Armageddon.

  14. In the course of my studies I’ve read Revelation in the original. It is strikingly clumsy and ungrammatical, and awkwardly constructed. It simply cannot compare to the flowing, poetry-like Greek of legitimate philosophers such as Plato. A few pages in, you can’t get over the sensation that you are inside the mind of a seriously disturbed individual.

    Psychedelics were routinely used in pagan rituals; perhaps the author got his brains scrambled in his youth, which would also tend to explain his faith in Christianity in his old age. In any case his essay is one of a number of similarly off-the-wall apocalypses of the period. It was selected for inclusion in the Canon only because the leaders at Nicea confused its author with the “beloved apostle” John.

  15. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    { …We Live in a Fragmenting World.}

    Don’t believe a word of this EMBEDDED MI6 agent. Cockburn himself is a propagandist for the Western intelligence services, including CIA/MI6 where support chaos and fragmentation for ‘greater Israel’ when he fully supports erection of ‘kurdistan’ and for years was trying to fool the public.
    He is 100% with the enemy spreading lies and deception. Expose the enemy now.

    The destabilization of the regional states and erection of ‘kurdistan’ is part of Oded Yinon and US, including the idiot Jewish mafia fifth column at the WH.

    Expose and abandon the enemy and its destructive machine. Throw the fifth column family out of WH now.

  16. De Doc says:

    AHEM! It’s officially known as “The Revelation to John”. Ok, my nitpick moment is over.

  17. Wielgus says:
    @Observator

    The Greek is reputedly quite bad, worse than in other NT books. The responsibility is hard to apportion for certain as no original manuscripts exist and copyists might have introduced their own errors but Greek may well not have been the first language of the author.
    Reading it, I do feel he was smoking or ingesting something quite potent.

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  18. “The decay of multinational institutions and alliances may not lead to an apocalyptic crisis, as the author of Revelations foretold, but it will certainly produce a more dangerous world.”

    That is not why the there is collapse. The collapse is the result of what is taking place in western society. The decay of sound order regarding human relationships. And the continued deconstruction of God in to a human minding existence, such that God is whatever the human mind can conceive and that by whatever an individual designs.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  19. @Observator

    It’s good that you read ‘Revelation’ in the original. Ever try writing ancient Greek? Not easy. Especially in a raptured state, as John was (“in the Spirit”). Grammar errors can be excused.

    Many Church Fathers, including Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Clement of Alexandria, believed John the Apostle, beloved disciple of Jesus, wrote ‘Revelation.’

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  20. What we are witnessing are major geopolitical shifts resulting from the end of the cold war as was played out since the end of WWII and with the retraction of Russia as the Soviet Union. Those shifts are

    a. the emergence of the Eastern society as players on the global scene, most notably China, buy not only China.

    b. the social deconstruction of western ethos regarding man’s relationship to self, and others, as christianity continues to lose influence on the general order — the uncovering of once hidden or at least controlled grasp of who has the right to govern the same order 00 serious credibility gap

    c. the reconfiguration of the Middle East as the result of the US invasions and actions in Iraq, Afghanistan Libya, Yemen, and Syria . . . those reverberations are just now taking shape

    d. the emergence of African states as independent actors

    All of which are linked to an increased devolution of man’s reliance or lean on a supreme being who plays an active role in the lives of humans. No amount of guns can force a staple of God such that when the guns are gone the forced God ethos remains.

    Th last comment is not as cleanly born out as I would have liked. One can fashion a political order by force, one that can last based on force but aligning a ethos of spiritual faith/belief to the same is another matter.

    In the west, there are growing rejections of faith as a stand alone. I think in the US we are seeing just that, that the links to belief as christian practice to government is under serious strain.

    It’s hard to conceive a state like Iowa voting for someone engaged in same sex relational behavior. I remain shocked or dubious how that occurs

  21. @Anonymous

    I will only address your beginning part. The biblical people were not western. They were eastern. Hebrew thought (and Aramaic) are eastern languages with eastern thought. Eastern thought is cyclical – while western thought is linear. Therein lies the problem when westerners interpret Revelation and all the biblical prophets. Even though Revelation was written in Greek – the authors were not “Greek thinkers”.

  22. @SeekerofthePresence

    The apostle was not a native Greek speaker and certainly wasn’t educated as a Greek. He grew up a Hebrew and spoke naturally Aramaic and Hebrew.

  23. @Wielgus

    Because they weren’t native Greek speakers. It was only translated to Greek since it was the English of it’s day. The same issue would take place had it been today and they were translating to English. And now there are all types of translators to help… Still doesn’t make it perfect. You can translate words easily – but not necessarily thoughts.

  24. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    You sir, are spouting untruth, hiding behind the well deserved distaste for the hitlerites.

    Name a few assassinations of the kind routinely carried out by US drones these days carried out by the Nazis outside of Germany.

    You will not be able to, but you will of course now be able to shamelessly accuse me of defending the Nazis.

  25. “Make no mistake about it, the root cause of violence that is perpetrated across the globe by organized jewery, stems from the belief system that originated from the babylonian talmud (aka modern day judaism).”

    And the following comments rest on a hefty dose of linking societies to the descriptors. Sure there are jews involved, but nothing in scripture names only Jews involved in heresy, treachery and hypocrisy. I suspect that the anti-christ – the abomination in the temple is most likely jewish, but there is an entire line of thought that says those events described, most of them anyway have already occurred and the abomination was a nonjewish king.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/abomination-desolation.html

    And Christ is talking about a future abomination. But if one takes the metaphor to as is, the abominaion will not be the conduct of a jew, but a gentile. Revelation is not rendering jews as the global culprits.

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