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Mourners gather in front of Petit Cambodge and Le Carillon restaurants after Paris attacks
Mourners gather in front of Petit Cambodge and Le Carillon restaurants after Paris attacks

The Islamic State (Isis) has always massacred civilians in large numbers to show its strength and instill fear in its opponents. In the West, people notice these atrocities only when they take place on their own streets, though Isis suicide bombers killed 43 people in Beirut on 12 November and 26 more in Baghdad on 13 November. These attacks are almost impossible to stop because they are directed against civilians, who cannot all be defended, and the bombers are willing to die in order to destroy their targets.

Isis has claimed the Paris attacks, saying that France was targeted because of its air strikes in Syria. The use of eight suicide bombers and gunmen in a national capital, guaranteeing maximum coverage by the media, has all the hallmarks of an Isis operation. One ominous difference from the killings earlier in the year at Charlie Hebdo magazine and in a Jewish supermarket, is that attacks, presumably because of Isis involvement, are getting more sophisticated and better planned. Recruiting, arming, coordinating and keeping hidden the Paris killers until the last moment implies good organisation. The same was true of the smuggling of a bomb on to the Russian plane before it left the ground at Sharm al-Sheikh on 30 October.

What is the explanation for this recent intensification of Isis suicide bombings outside Syria and Iraq? The killing of civilians as complicit in the acts of their governments was always part the ideology of al-Qaeda, an approach most famously demonstrated on 9/11 in New York. The softest of targets is destroyed by bombers or gunmen intent on killing themselves along with their enemies as a demonstration of religious faith.

But there is a further reason why Isis may be intent on showing that it can strike anywhere in the world: for the first time in two years, a period during which Isis has created its own state in western Iraq and eastern Syria, it is being driven back by military pressure on a number of fronts.

In the past, it would deal with its numerous but disunited enemies one after the other, but now it is facing attacks on a number of fronts at the same time. The Syrian army backed by Russian air strikes last week ended the siege by IS of Kweiris Airbase west of Aleppo. It was the biggest Syrian government victory for two years. The Syrian Kurds, in cooperation with the US air force, are advancing south around Hasaka, while the Iraqi Kurds, again with American air support, have captured Sinjar city west of Mosul. Isis will find it difficult to travel between Raqqa and Mosul and may lose its grip on the oilfields of north-east Syria, from which it has derived revenue.

These developments on the battlefields of Iraq and Syria may seem distant from the butchery in the heart of Paris. But it is important to understand that Isis is an effective fighting machine because its military skills, evolved during years of fighting, are a potent blend of urban terrorism, guerrilla tactics and conventional warfare. Its blitzkrieg advances in Iraq in the summer of 2014 were preceded by a wave of suicide bombings using vehicles packed with explosives in Shia districts of Baghdad and central Iraq. The aim was to keep its enemies frightened and off balance and to show to potential supporters that Isis was a power in the land.

Nobody in the outside world paid much attention to the thousands of Iraqi Shia who were killed then and have gone on dying because of Isis terrorist bombings in Iraq. The number of civilians killed in Iraq jumped from 4,623 in 2012 to 9,473 in 2013 and to 17,045 in 2014, according to Iraqi Body Count, an independent website; a high proportion of these killed were Shia victims of Isis bombers and executioners. This savagery is now being repeated in the streets of Paris and Ankara, where 102 demonstrators for peace were killed by two suicide bombers on 10 October.

It is part of Isis’s tactical manual to retaliate against any opponent by any means, with the aim of showing defiance in some spectacular way guaranteed to dominate the international news agenda. Thus, it reacted against US air strikes, which it could not prevent militarily, with videos of American journalists and aid workers being decapitated with horrific deliberation. When cutting off heads ceased to have its previous shock effect, IS burned to death a Jordanian pilot in a cage.

It claims that the killing of civilians is not mindless murder but vengeance: an Isis-related group saying it was behind the destruction of the Russian plane and its 224 passengers showed pictures on the internet of the aircraft’s wreckage interleaved with shots of buildings in Syria shattered by Russian bombs. Isis is making clear that, if any country bombs them from the air, it will reply in kind on the ground, using the methods of urban terrorism backed by a well organised state. It is difficult to think of any example of this happening before.

These acts of terror require some resources, but no high degree of training since targets chosen are defenceless such as the British tourists lying on a beach in Tunisia or the people in Paris who were murdered as they attended a rock concert. Not a great number of Islamic fanatics are needed to carry out these monstrosities, the impact of which echoes around the world. Isis has had a great number of foreign fighters pass through its ranks and it can usually find committed supporters within the countries it intends to target.


There is a further reason why Isis may find it more easy to find and use potential suicide bombers outside the caliphate. One of the setbacks it has suffered this year is the loss of its main border crossing between Syria and Turkey at Tal Abyad, which was captured by the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) in June. Half the 550-mile frontier between the Tigris and Euphrates is now held by the YPG, so Isis access to the outside world is much more limited than before. The US has put intense pressure on Turkey not to allow Isis and other Salafi-jihadi groups to cross the border into Syria west of the Euphrates. Volunteers who might previously have travelled through Turkey to join IS in Syria will now stay at home and provide a pool of committed manpower for use in suicide operations.

Isis is under unprecedented military pressure in Iraq and Syria, but this does not mean it is going to implode. It can fight defensively as well as offensively. It looks as if it will not fight to the finish in battles in which enemy ground troops are supported by the US or Russian air forces. Isis commanders are reported to believe that they made a mistake in fighting for so long at Kobani, where they may have lost more than 2,000 fighters to US air strikes. Instead, they will rely more on guerrilla tactics in Syria and Iraq and expand the zone of conflict by carrying out terrorist attacks abroad like those we have just seen in Paris.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Tom_R says:


    It has been mentioned in the news before that ISIS is a US creation. When Russia attacked ISIS, the Americans referred to ISIS our “assets” and “our guys.” ISIS was being treated in Israeli hospitals and one of the commanders of ISIS was an Israeli.

    Also, the American Congress approved 600 million dollars recently for ISIS.

    As a US politician stated, ISIS is riding on a billion dollars of US equipment.

    So to say that ISIS was behind the terrorist attack in Paris means that its master, USA and Israel, were behind the Paris attack (at least under a legal doctrine called respondeat superior). Maybe they were and this was an attack by USA and Israel, then.

    But if ISIS is now out of control of the USA and Israel, and is going around attacking its NATO master, then why is USA not cutting off funding and support for ISIS?

    • Replies: @bossel
    , @Anonymous
  2. J Yan says:

    No, the West has created a new kind of monster. The warfare seems like a more dispersed version of the Algerian guerrilla war.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  3. Kiza says:

    …where they may have lost more than 2,000 fighters to US air strikes…

    Cockburn is a purveyor of the non-existent US airstrikes on ISIS. He keeps repeating this invention ad nauseam, in every write up of his. Maybe someone will fall for it, if repeated 100 times. On and on and on … Another regime’s virtual reality creator.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  4. This is all false flag stuff. Strategy of tension. Gladio 2.0.

    And this Patrick Cockburn is a classic left gatekeeper disinfo spouting POS.

  5. It is beginning to emerge that a terror drill was being run by the French security forces at the time of the attacks. That may explain why Hollande was helicoptered out of the Stade de France and the football went on. The President wasn’t being a cowardly creature leaving his fellow fans to die as the nation faced off against Germany on the field. He knew there was no danger!

    It seems that these events were nothing new, just the following of an old pattern that Patrick Cockburn refuses to recognise.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Olorin
  6. Isis is making clear that, if any country bombs them from the air, it will reply in kind on the ground, using the methods of urban terrorism backed by a well organised state

    It was well organized states created ISIS. Cockburn is like some kind of cheerleader for ‘Gladio’

    Online @

    “We’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians, this is an attack not just on Paris, it is an attack not just on the people of France, but it is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” -Barack Obama

    Why didn’t Obama, Hollande and company consider their making possible the rise of Islamic State as a device to overthrow Assad as “an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians [and] an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” ??

    Speaking directly to the above linked intelligence report, enabling the rise of Islamic State, according to the former boss of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Mike Flynn speaking to al-Jazeera “was a willful policy decision”


    • Agree: Kiza
  7. annamaria says:

    War on Terror, the US style (one wonders, why Israel is dead silent on the Saudi/Gulf money financing ISIS and more)

    “As a curtain of silence descended around the U.S.-Saudi role in Afghanistan, where the Osama bin Laden network originated, the Bush administration spirited 140 Saudis, including some two dozen members of the Bin Laden family, out of the country after no more than cursory questioning by the F.B.I. When Saudi regent Abdullah bin Abdulaziz – he would not formally assume the throne for another three years – visited George W. Bush’s Texas ranch in April 2002, the President barely mentioned the World Trade Center and cut short a reporter who insisted on bringing it up: “Yes, I – the crown prince has been very strong in condemning those who committed the murder of U.S. citizens. We’re constantly working with him and his government on intelligence sharing and cutting off money … the government has been acting, and I appreciate that very much.”
    What Bush said was a lie. Just a month earlier, former FBI assistant director Robert Kallstrom had complained that the Saudis were dragging their feet with regard to the investigation: “It doesn’t look like they’re doing much, and frankly it’s nothing new.”

    “In December 2009, Hillary Clinton noted in a confidential diplomatic memo that “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” In October 2014, Joe Biden told students at Harvard’s Kennedy School that “the Saudis, the emirates, etc. … were so determined to take down [Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war … [that] they poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of military weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad except the people who were being supplied were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda.”
    Just last month, a New York Times editorial complained that Saudis, Qataris and Kuwaitis were continuing to funnel donations not only to Al Qaeda but to Islamic State as well.
    Yet despite countless promises to shut down such funding, the spigots have remained wide open. The U.S. has not only acquiesced in such activities, moreover, but has actively participated in them. In June 2012, the Times wrote that the C.I.A. was working with the Muslim Brotherhood to channel Turkish, Saudi and Qatari-supplied arms to anti-Assad rebels.”

    “How Saudi/Gulf Money Fuels Terror:”

  8. bossel says:

    It has been mentioned in the news before that ISIS is a US creation. When Russia attacked ISIS, the Americans referred to ISIS our “assets” and “our guys.” ISIS was being treated in Israeli hospitals and one of the commanders of ISIS was an Israeli.

    It would probably help if you learned to read properly.

  9. Don’t believe a word of what the Western intelligence services and their embedded ‘journalists’ are telling you. This is another false flag operation by the same people who staged 9/11, this time the French intelligence services is involved.

    On 28 June 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife, Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, were shot dead in Sarajevo by Gavrilo Princip, The political objective of the assassination was to break off Austria-Hungary’s South Slav provinces so they could be combined into a Yugoslavia. The assassins’ motives were consistent with the movement that later became known as Young Bosnia. So, Austro Hungarian didn’t want that happen. The assassination led directly to the First World War when Austria-Hungary subsequently issued an ultimatum to the Kingdom of Serbia, which was partially rejected. Austria-Hungary then declared war. The criminal West led by US –Israel-Britain are looking for WWIII. It is very interesting to see that the ‘terrorists’ who staged an attack in US, Spain, or Paris all have been killed, so no one can find out what had really happened, but the authorities claimed that in Spain train bombing 2004, a sack was found filled with goodies including a notebook filled with the names of the terrorists and their friends ‘who were involved’ with their phone numbers, how suitable that was. You are stupid NOT us. Everyone knows the story of Boston bombing. Please don’t laugh.

    Now, The same criminal people who staged 9/11 and used it as EXCUSE to invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Mali, Somalia, Egypt, Tunisia, Sudan, Pakistan, Kenya, Yemen, Bahrain and many other countries, and let Israel to kill and wipe Palestinians off the map to steal their land, are responsible for these terrors have followed. Those criminals who staged color revolution in many countries including Ukraine, Iran, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Egypt, and have partitioned number of countries using propaganda, terrors, and deception to fool the dumb population and partition, countries such as Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, and are looking for more partition in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, to erect puppet entities such as “Kurdistan”, ‘South Sudan” and ‘Berber, for ‘greater Israel’, and “Arabistan”, Berber, Baluchistan for geopolitical gains in order to rule the world ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR majority of THE TERRORIST ACTS AROUND THE WORLD

    This is a plan made in Washington – Israel – Britain, an axis of evil for criminals who are seeking to bring ‘World Government”, for the Zionist bankers. We should say Death to the criminals. Destroy them all and don’t be fooled by staged terrors that are implemented by the same Western criminals using propaganda campaign with the help of their embedded ‘journalists’ to create hatred for the victims, Muslims all over the world. These criminals and their embedded journalists think in order to occupy and destroy, it is necessary to paint your enemy as evil using propaganda machine.

    The Obama regime, a mass murderer and a police state want YOU to be fooled again so they be able to invade Syria, like he did in Libya, using “fight against Isis”, their OWN TERRORISTS, as an excuse, to implement their criminal plan against people of Syria and their ELECTED LEADER, like he did in Libya to partition Syria for the colonists in occupied land. He and other mass murderers, Bush, Cheney, Clinton, should be arrested and put on trial with CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY charge NOW. The world is fed up with these terrorists and mass murderers who have waged many illegal wars against defenseless people in order to implement their plan which was made BEFORE 9/11.

    Russia and China have always cooperated with the criminal WEST to gain concessions. As you know and have witnessed, China and Russia sold LIBYA and now Syria. I hope Russia and China seek their long interests to create a FRONT against the criminals, black and white NOW.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    , @joe webb
    , @joe webb
  10. What is the explanation for this recent intensification of Isis suicide bombings outside Syria and Iraq?

    Complicity of the deep state??

    9/11 redux??

  11. What is not mentioned is that ISIS and most of the radical Islamist movements are creations of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf dictators. Turkey is as responsible for the creation of ISIS because of its support of the Saudi geopolitical plans to oust Assad. If you want to stop ISIS and radical Islam overthrow the phony “royals” in Saudi Arabia and Gulf states.

    And for nations like France that indiscriminately bomb third world countries killing tens of thousands of dark skinned people, they should act peacefully abroad if they want peace at home.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  12. De-sensibilization of death??

  13. @Chet Roman

    What is not mentioned is that ISIS and most of the radical Islamist movements are creations of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf dictators.

    Washington, D.C. Thursday, March 12, 2015

    Former Director, Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies Tel Aviv University, author, Periphery: Israel’s Search for Middle East Allies

    “[T]his new periphery concept is one concept of a regional alliance. I think it’s a pretty flimsy one, but it’s based on what we learned from the past. Of course, we have another concept of a regional alliance with the core — Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE — Bibi at the UN last October declared this was an alliance. And the Saudis and Egyptians didn’t object.

    If we can work with two sorts of alliances, one with the Arabs, I think, is far more important, just as peace with Egypt is 100 times as important as Trident* ever was, we can be — we can hope to be a significant player in the region, even though there’s a Palestinian issue and it’s there in the background all the time. We’re all preoccupied with so many other much bigger and more ominous regional developments, particularly with militant Islam, that there are ways we can cooperate, and we can be a little more creative today in doing it as well.”


    * Trident: Israel’s former “periphery pillars,” Iran, Turkey, Ethiopia.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  14. Cracker says:

    Nothing new here. A pack of muzzies killed a bunch of infidels. Of course it is our fault because we don’t appreciate islam enough.

  15. Che Guava says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    P. Cockburn on M.E. affairs, sometimes seems to have some odd propaganda angle, but generally just straight talk from a reporter who is brave enough to be there on the ground.

    Off topic for replying to Tsar Nick. I just want to say that, for various reasons, it is a shame that an explosive-vest wearer did not explode in the vicinity of M. Hollande. Reasons numbered below.

    1. He is a worthless human being, I agree with the sanctity of human life and all, but among the dead are many of far more value. He is also a cheap philanderer.

    2. He has no intention of doing anything real about the source of this attack, since he lives in a world of privilege where he is able to ignore the real harm (rapes, thefts, burning cars) that a large portion of the Muslim population (not all, I am quite aware) nightly inflicts on his fellow French people. Actually, the thefts are daily, too.

    3. If they had managed to blow him up, the chances of the whole situation being treated seriously would be much higher.

    As it is, all of the ‘attack IS a little, depose Assad, al Quaeda offshoots are moderate rebels’ bullshit is just going to continue.

    Everybody who reads can see that Iraq, Libya, Syria disasters are an Israeli-US neocon plot being played out, to them, the Paris massacre is just an acceptable level of blowback. As is the mayhem in Somalia, Nigeria, etc.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  16. Why does Cockburn make things so complicated? France bombed ISIS so ISIS bombed France.

    You got to wonder about Hollande’s judgement. Millions of restive Sunni Arabs in France and he elects to join the US war against Sunni Islam? No wonder he has to talk about “evil”, blah, blah, blah; better that than admitting a really, really stupid mistake.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  17. Rehmat says:

    If some idiot like to believe pro-Israel French president Francois Hollande’s statement in which he blamed ISIS for carrying out a terrorist attack on a Paris theater owned by two Jewish brother until September 2015 – then I have to call Hollande a “self-hating Jew” because ISIS is a brainchild of both the US and Israel.

    In September 2015, the FBI arrested Joshua Ryne Goldberg aka Australi, an American Jew in Florida. He is accused of planning bombing on 9/11 anniversary, while pretending to be an Australian member of terrorist ISIS organization.

    The Zionist Jew ran a terrorist website, Australi Witness, calling for terrorist attacks in western countries to punish non-Muslims insulting Islam and waging wars on Muslim countries.

    A recent Australi Witness post said that he along with other fellow jihadis were planning terrorist attacks in Australia and United states. He even posted pictures of a bomb he was working on with “2-lb of explosive inside”.

  18. Che Guava says:

    Thanks Chet for the interesting quote.

    Saudi Arabia? WTF?

    Their massive investment in ‘madrassas’ has wiped out decent school systems from Pakistan to parts of Indonesia, creating a ready supply of nutters who will riot and kill on the basis of the flimsiest rumour.

    I wonder if any of this is reported in Saudi Arabia?

    Am not anti-Israeli, although I think the USA is insane to subsidise them for thousands of dollars per man, woman and child, every year, and to allow them to copy and *sell* US
    military tech. gratis. They are well enough off without that.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yes ISIS is indeed the proxy army of the western Jewish NeoCons. Obama is the first Jewish President. Terror is the whole US economy. Needing a reason to draw NATO and Europe into a proxy war against Russia, they have pulled of another false-flag op that the Media will swear is an act of war by ISIS on France. The Puppet UN will follow along as told. The Russians will prevail over time as God’s truth always wins by exposing the evil Levites intentions.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  20. @Kiza

    “Cockburn is a purveyor of the non-existent US airstrikes on ISIS.”

    Coalition forces have delivered numerous devastating airstrikes on buildings occupied by USIS only a few days earlier.

    We almost had ’em.

  21. @Che Guava

    OK, perhaps I was a little harsh on Cockburn.

    You are correct in that he does visit these dangerous places, but like other good journalists who behave like investigative reporters should – Fisk and Margolis in particular – it is frustrating that with all the evidence in front of them, they back off from the idea of false flag attacks.

    Great comment over all. How long before saying stuff like that gets you arrested for “supporting terrorism?”

    Je ne suis pas Charlie.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  22. geokat62 says:

    … he elects to join the US war against Sunni Islam?

    To be 100% clear, this war against Islam is orchestrated by the neocons/Israel firsters. The US is just a tool through which these people aim to achieve their objectives.

    P. S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firster figures are:

    Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Lewis Scooter Libby, Michael Ledeen, The Kagan clan, including Victoria Nudelman, The Kristol clan, The Podhoretz clan, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Elliot Abrams, Eliot A. Cohen, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, John Bolton, Jennifer Rubin, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Rubin, Daniel Pipes, Marc Grossman, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  23. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    The nihilist Left of 68 generation dreamed of violent revolution.

    Viet Cong-ize the West and have a massive Tet Offensive in Europe and America.

    Weather Underground, Panthers, Baaden Meinhof, Red Brigade, French Maoists etc.

    In the end, there was no need as they took over the universities and media with the backing of globalist capitalism. Also, communism lost its luster as China made peace with the US and Khmer Rouge went nuts.

    But Muslim rads are still out of power, so they resort to violence.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  24. Clyde says:

    With a false flag here,
    And a false flag there,
    Here a false flag
    There a false flag
    Everywhere a false flag
    Old Ron Paul had a farm
    Ee i ee i o

    With a quack-quack here,
    And a quack-quack there,
    Here a quack, there a quack ,
    Everywhere a quack-quack,
    Old Ron Paul had a farm
    Ee i ee i o

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  25. @Priss Factor

    Weather Underground, Panthers, Baaden Meinhof, Red Brigade, French Maoists etc

    Moron (or Hasbara, readers choice) COINTELPRO and GLADIO (establishment operations) were responsible for much of what you cite.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Kilo 4/11
  26. Giuseppe says:

    I’d keep an open mind until we have all the evidence in, but I wouldn’t discount the possibility of some type of false flag. The most important question is “cui bono?” In this case, those who want to remove Assad might benefit from this “act of war” in Paris as it could result in NATO intervention in Syria. Remember, the US goal in Syria has always been to remove Assad, defeating ISIS was always Plan B, and ISIS has been kept around as long as it was useful against Assad. NATO intervention could have the further geopolitical benefit of neutralizing Russia’s move in Syria.

    We have to wait and see how the response unfolds, if NATO is invoked, and who is targeted. If ISIS only is attacked, then, perhaps this was just blowback and not a false flag. If NATO uses this as a pretext to depose Assad, while simultaneously attacking ISIS, then I think it opens up the attack to other interpretations.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  27. RobinG says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    TY. (I’d go with Hasbara, but who knows, she might be CIA/FBI….whatever.)

    As for Clyde…
    Here a troll,
    There a troll…
    Sad old white man had a farm…

  28. Che Guava says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Moi, aussi, je ne suis pas Charlie.

    I believe in free speech. I would always put Cockburn and Fisk ahead of Margolis, reporting by Margolis falls short, but analysis usually seems sound.

    I note that many neo-con scribblers have stopped trying to make ‘Fisk’ into a verb, stupid thing in the first place.

    My earlier post, from le coeur.

    We all should not forget the earlier murders of peacable Kurdish people in Turkey, the death toll is the same as that in Paris in the last few hours, with some on the critical list expiring, Paris will end with the higher toll. I have little doubt there was a false-flag dimension in those attacks in Turkey.

    Paris, I do not think so.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  29. Olorin says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Apart from CockBurn being what his name says…

    …come on. Do you have any idea what emergency operations planners/responders do?

    They drill. And drill. And drill. ALL THE TIME.

    It’s what they frapping DO.

    When they aren’t putting feet on the ground in an active drill, they’re drilling systems, coordination, facilities, integration of various aspects of EOps systems.

    They’re updating software, hardware, and management.

    They’re dealing with the human factor (changes in EOps staffing, which is often largely done by volunteers or low paid functionaries), making sure the human element is hot-swappable always, and in a time of crisis response.

    They’re dealing with public/private sector coordination of resources, facilities, and systems, and they’re coordinating every aspect at every level of that as well.

    There is going to be a “terror drill” running somewhere in France, by some security force, somewhere, at any given moment. 365 days a year.

    For crap’s sake, this is what prep means. You don’t frapping wait till there’s a frapping problem to drill your “terror” systems. Which is to say your Emergency Operations infrastructure, systems, and integration.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  30. Olorin says:
    @No Second Israel

    I want some of what you’re huffing.

  31. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Paradoxically, ISIS is most problematic to the West precisely because it is a form of Western(ized) modernism.

    People blame radical Islam, but we don’t have ISIS problems in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Both nations are Islamic, very much so, even officially. But Islamic rule in Iran is orderly. It’s not about crazies going around like punk rockers. And Muslim radicals are not allowed to run wild in Saudi Arabia. So, the problem isn’t Islam per se.

    Notice that such radicals usually run wild in secular nations, sometimes with the help of the West. It was when Afghanistan was under secular Marxist rule that the US aided the Jihadis. It was the West that aided the Jihadis in Libya. And now in Syria, with the help of Israel and Saudis and others.

    In most Muslim nations, things are under control. Even Muslim Brotherhood isn’t about lunatics running wild and rock-n-rolling bloodbaths all over the place. It’s about organization and hierarchy. It has resorted to violence, but then, so have US and Israel and all other political entities.

    Though ISIS fighters have demonstrated organizational skills at times, what really stands out is their anarchic craziness in the things they do. They really seem to revel in their lunacy, much like punk rockers of the 1970s. It’s Islam gone punk. It’s Muslims-gone-wild. Not just angry and violent but wild and crazy. It’s Spring Break for Muslim youths.

    Muslim rule tends to be orderly and repressive, so there’s less chance of such lunacy in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia. And secular rule could be repressive and harsh too, so there was little chance of Jihadi nuts going crazy in Iraq under Hussein, Libya under Gaddafi, and Syria under Assad. Iraq went nuts with Jihadis because US removed Hussein. Libya went crazy cuz NATO damaged Gaddafi, even to the point of having him removed and murdered. Syria is a mess cuz the allies of Israel ganged up on it and secretly sent all kinds of arms and fighters into Syria to remove the secular Assad.
    So, the breeding ground for all this Jihadi craziness has been secularism + breakdown of central authority. It would be wrong to blame Islam itself. If Islam naturally leads to Jihadism, then all Muslim nations would be going nuts. Most of them are not.

    Following the Paris attacks, we hear critics say that we are seeing a Muslim threat to Western Liberal Values.


    Look at today’s Liberal Values today. Are they healthy, constructive, sane, moral, and sound OR are they crazy, destructive, ugly, demented, and suicidal?

    In a way, the West should see ISIS as a logical extension of what has become of Western Liberal Values.
    It is now those very values that are destroying the West. Homo agenda has desecrated and befouled marriage, morality, normality, and decency. And homos and trannies are just as hysterical as ISIS loonies in calling for the heads of their enemies. They don’t go around shooting people but they still destroy lives, careers, and reputations of anyone who won’t kiss the homo ass.

    Feminism has attacked and reviled white gentile men as the source of all evil. It degrades and defames white men, the standard-bearer of Western Civilization. No civilization can survive if its women are made to hate and renounce their men. A healthy society is about the unity of men and women. Feminism is all-out attack on white men. Emma Sulkowicz the crazy nut bitch nearly destroyed a German student’s life. Rolling Stone used the Jewish hag Sabrina Rubin Erderly to wage jihad against totally innocent white males at UVA whose fraternity was vandalized and trashed by a mob of Social Justice Whackjobs.

    Day in and day out, Jews in Europe and US wage an unrelenting war on ‘white privilege’ to cover up the fact of Jewish power and privilege that is the greatest privilege in the world. Jews use pornified pop culture to degrade white women into a bunch of interracist whores who now use their wombs to produce sickening mulatto babies of savage blacks who look down on white males as a bunch of ‘pussy ass white boys’.
    Jews promote massive immigration and gloat over the fact that whites will become minorities in their own nations. Remember the Newsweek cover about how Obama the Negro, at the behest of Jews, are kicking white ass forever?

    GOP: you’re old, you’re white, you’re history.

    This is what Western Civilization has to take from vile vicious Jews day in and day out.

    Worse, Western folks have been so brainwashed that, even as they come under non-stop insult from Negroes-Jews-homos, we have the cucks of even the GOP singing hosannas to MLK the phony, hideous Jews, and decadent vain homos(and now even sicko trannies).

    We have German Jewish politician gloating over how Germans not having babies and how Germany will be overtaken by non-white immigrants.
    We have NYT insulting Europeans as ‘far right extremists’ for merely trying to save their own nation.
    We have France putting Marine Le Pen on trial for sounding the alarm on excessive immigration of Muslims.
    We have UK using the strong arm of the police to arrest anyone who makes a crack about Mandela on twitter.

    We have utter silence in the West over all the attacks, robbery, rape, and murder of whites in South Africa, the kind of violence that makes Paris attack look like a picnic.

    In the US, black thugs rape whites in prison. Black thugs routinely rob, rape, attack, and murder whites. But the Jewish-controlled media call these thugs ‘teens’ and ‘youths’ and ignore most black on white crime while going nuts about how ‘white male’ George Zimmerman shot a black baby.

    And now, we have entire purges at Missouri Univ because some homo Negro made stuff up and because some Negro committed a ‘hate hoax’ with poop swastika(most likely inspired by the movie HUNGER with shit on the walls. Hunger was made by the guy later made 12 YRS A SLAVE).

    This is what has become of Western Civ. It’s controlled and commanded by hideous Jews, wild Negroes/mulattoes, insane feminists, and vain/arrogant homos.

    The whole point of Western Civ has become RACIAL AND CULTURAL SUICIDE.
    Indeed, a whole bunch of white millennials have been made to welcome it. They’ve been made to worship scum like MLK and homos from cradle. They hate their own race and take pleasure at news of decline/demise of white power, white wealth, white health, white etc. How great!! Another blow against ‘white privilege’.

    But white people find all of this bearable because anti-white-ness is now packaged and sold in the form of pop music, movies, and fun stuff. You see, being a SJW means indulging in drugs, rock and rap concerts, watching porn, and etc. Racial suicide has been made fun and ‘cool’.
    But it’s not the first time this happened. In the 19th century, British Jews sold opium to China and made the demise of China very pleasurable to the Chinese who were too doped out of their minds to care.

    Though the fall of white civilization is terrible, so many whites welcome it cuz it’s been made pleasurable and fun. It’s been turned into watching Oprah and Ellen, ‘twerking’ to rap music, attending homo parades and waving ‘rainbow’ flags, smoking pot and using other drugs, celebrating the pornification of culture(Miley Cyrus and worse), etc.
    It’s like Punk Rock culture of the 70s made social decay in the UK so fun, daring, and exciting. Of course, the long-term effect was awful, but the young were too busy having fun smashing their own society to notice how evil it all was.

    The current Western Civ is doomed to die even without Muslims. Suppose all the Muslims were to vanish into the thin air. Or suppose all Muslims stopped moving to the EU. Suppose ISIS give up all weapons and embrace peace.

    Will that save the West? No. West will still die cuz it will still take in tons of Negro immigrants from Africa—blacks are the #1 enemy of the white race for they alone have the power to steal white women from white men who are no match to Negroes physically—and indulge in black culture that promotes interracism. The West will still die cuz Jews will still control the media and academia and instill white minds with self-hatred, decadence, trashiness, and ugliness. Feminism will continue to make white women hate white men and blame white men for everything. White race cannot survive unless white women respect white men.

    And even without Muslim immigration, there will be tons of Hindu immigration and Carribbean immigration that will turn UK non-white. Australia has too many Chinese and Hindus arriving. They are not Muslim but they are invading and replacing white Australia.
    Also, youth culture will continue to degrade the West with infantilism, trashiness, and ugliness.

    Muslim radicals are the most spectacular in their violence, but they are not the worst enemies of the West. Indeed, through their acts of violence, they are the only ones providing the patriotic elements of the West with reason to sound the alarm.

    Also, because there is, as yet, no powerful taboo against blaming Muslims, white people in America and EU can still go on about the Muslim threat. But they are too cowardly to point out that even greater damage has been done by Jews, Negroes, and homos.

    Jews have gained control of Western elite institutions and industries. They’ve brainwashed all whites into hating their own race. So many whites in so many nations now believe that it is evil for whites to want to survive as a race in their own lands.
    This is ideological terrorism, mental terrorism, and soul-terrorism. Kill the soul and the body will follow. Jewish radicalism has destroyed the white soul. Feminism, controlled by Jews, have brainwashed white women into seeing white men as the biggest enemy and most evil creatures.

    And homos have desecrated moral institutions like marriage. Homos have infected even Christian churches into homo-worship and sodomania. Now, there are tons of churches that say Jesus would have been for ‘gay marriage’. Homos destroyed Western spirituality and morality. They have waged war on truth. We have to believe that a man’s bunghole is a ‘sex organ’ like a vagina. If you disagree, you’re fired and out of a job.

    Negroes gave us rap thug culture, bumping and grinding, twerking, and other ape-like behavior that is damaging to social values and public morality. We now have white women who stick their ass out in public to be rubbed and pumped by ghastly Negroes.
    And Jews promote and normalize this kind of behavior. As black guys whup white guys in sports and funky dancing and fighting, it’s yet another reason for white women not to respect white men. Feminism teaches white women to see white men as evil ‘racist’ patriarchal oppressors of noble blacks. Interracism teaches white women to see white men as flabby slow inferior cucks who are no match for powerfully built Negroes. White guys lose both ways.
    The West is now so deranged that it declared total culture and economic war on Russia cuz Russia doesn’t allow homo parades in Red Square.

    So, what is this ‘western values’ we are talking about? What is this glorious set of ideals and values that we must defend from Muslim crazies?

    Negro savagery, Jewish venality, homo decadence, and feminist bitchery are what Western Values are all about? We must defend those things from Muslims?

    Now, let’s stop with the horseshit. What goes by the name of ‘western values’ would not have been recognized as such 50 yrs ago, let alone 100 yrs ago. Indeed, not by the majority even 25 yrs ago.

    The New Normal of ‘western values’ is a sick Jewish concoction with the help of homos serving as minions.
    Today, emigrating to France and assimilating to French/Western culture means watching Hollywood movies, listening to rap, and waving ‘rainbow’ flags at homo-tranny festivals. It means churches hanging ‘gay’ signs and praising sodomania over Jesus and God.

    Today’s ‘western values’ are destructive of western civilization.

    So, the ISIS, instead of being seen as the enemy of ‘western values’, should be seen as its furtherance.
    Negro savagery, Jewish venality, homo vanity, and feminist lunacy are destroying the West. But we are supposed to praise them as ‘western values’.
    Then, we must conclude that the highest purpose of ‘western values’ is to destroy the West and the white race.
    Then, it follows that ISIS is pro-‘western values’ since its actions are also destructive of western order.

    In a world where the so-called West holds up ‘welcome’ signs to a millions of invaders in the name of ‘western values’, no one should condemn ISIS of being anti-western since ‘anti-westernism’ is the ‘new western values’. If ‘western values’ are about destroying the west, ISIS is merely ‘western values’ on steroids. Instead of slow death, it offers quick death.

    It’s like this. We know that life is about healthy living. But suppose you re-define life in a ‘new normal’ manner. You say the true worth of life is to use bad drugs, eat junk food, wallow in filth and disease. You say that is what ‘life values’ are all about.
    Now, if a man comes along and points a gun at you, should you see him as your enemy? After all, he wants to kill you.
    BUT, if you’ve re-defined ‘life values’ in terms of indulging in behaviors that are destructive to your well-being and life, maybe you should see the man with the gun as merely a case of your ‘life values’ on steroids. A savior who is merely offering you a quicker death.
    The thing is, even if he doesn’t shoot and kill you, you are fated to die since your ‘life values’ are really a cult of death than a true culture of life.

    Look at the US. What is American Values? When Clinton said US will be minority-white in a few decades, white students roared and cheered wildly. US is now removing and banishing symbols associated with ‘dead white males’. Universities silence and destroy any voice that advocates white survival and power. Jew-run media run endless stories like the UVA hoax. The lowlife Jew who made MAD MEN still bitch about those evil wasps and claim that Jews don’t have ‘white privilege’.
    Anyone who says anything even mildly critical of homos is finished.

    Even if not a single Muslim comes to the US, America is anti-white and anti-western. Western Civ doesn’t need Muslims to mess things up. It only needs Jews, negroes, homos(homos can be creative and productive when they sublimate their talents toward something higher, like during the Renaissance; but when they are allowed to indulge in their vanity, they just turn tooter-fruiter and go nuts with decadence), brainwashed feminists(usually white women made to hate white men), and white cucks to finish the job.

    All the elite and mob forces in the US are committed to destroying traditional and core Western Civ. Given that fact, why defame Muslims if they want to help in the destruction?

    White Conservatives who badmouth Muslims never seem to notice that Jews, Negroes, and homos have done far more to damage and destroy white conservatism. If anything, white cons are endlessly praising Jews, Negroes(“we love MLK more than you Libs do”), and even homos and trannies. If white cons love the very people who are doing them the most damage, then why not praise Muslims as well for joining with the wonderful Jews, noble Negroes, and saintly homos?

    Also, just look at the hateful and destructive nihilism of white Liberal youths. They indulge in rap music that promote violence, they love rock music that wallow in dementia, they love video games that are filled with blood, they love hollywood movies that are now life snuff movies. They fantasize about thuggery, mayhem, and violence. In the past, action movies had a moral component. Though not without violence, moral issues were at the center of movies with John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart. So much of today’s movies and music have just a thin veneer of morality to justify all the nihilistic wallowing in blood and gore, like in 300 RISE OF EMPIRE(that however is pretty cool with Eva Green in badass role). Or the cultural terrorism of Quentin Tarantino with stuff like DJANGO THE NEGRO KILLS EVIL WHITES.

    Also, how does the West exports its values? West has exported its ‘democracy’ and ‘liberal values’ by dropping tons of bombs on the Middle East. It has used dirty tricks to bring down a government in Ukraine and instigate a war. All in the name of spreading ‘liberal democracy’. Well, if ‘western values’ is about using wanton violence in politics and glamorizing badass violence in movies, videogames, and music, why should the West complain when ISIS takes it to heart and exult in nihilistic violence as well? What goes around comes around.
    Ted Nugent thinks war should be like a rock concert. US troops are shown the helicopter attack scene in APOCALYPSE NOW before being sent to war. Remember Colonel Kilgore who attacked a village just to go surfing? If the US military promotes that kind of nihilism, why should we be surprised if ISIS is also into ‘rage against the machine’ pop culture mayhem mode?

    US elected as president a man who was part of a church that screamed about America is a land of KKK and must be destroyed. White Americans embraced such a lowlife piece of scum who was also associated with Bill Ayers. Sheldon Adelson is for open borders and ‘gay marriage’, and yet, GOP hopefuls who call themselves ‘conservatives’ grovel at his feat and act before him like Bonasera did to Vito Corleone in THE GODFATHER.
    When cities burned under Obama, the Jew-run media continued to make excuses for it. If blacks burning down entire cities is ‘social justice’ and part of ‘western values’, then why shouldn’t we also embrace ISIS violence in Paris as part of ‘western values’ too? After all, one could see it as an attack on white privilege in an imperialist white capitalist city.

    So, when the new ‘western values’ are all about white civilization committing collective suicide, white Americans and Europeans should embrace ISIS as hastening the fulfillment of these new ‘western values’ as defined by globalist Jewish supremacists, decadent homos, interracist black savages, and demented feminists(like Sabrina Rubin Erdely and Emma Sulkowicz and Ellen Pao and all such scum).

    The fact is ‘western values’ as they’ve been reconstituted will not save the West from the Muslims. The ‘new western values’ that worship Jews, Negroes, homos, and feminists were programmed to destroy the West from within. When something is self-imploding, it doesn’t need Muslims to keep imploding.

    How rap music, porny interracism, Jewish venality in finance and media, feminist derangement syndrome, trashy youth culture, and homo vanity are going to save the West from Muslim barbarism is beyond me. Does it ever occur to Westerners that their culture is now as barbaric as the Muslim one that they denounce?

    The idea of holding back the Muslim tide to uphold values embodied by the likes of Miley Cyrus, Kanye West, the Kardashians, Bruce ‘Caitlyn’ Jenner, Eurovision beardo lady, tattoos and body piercing, massive homo parades, fining and imprisoning of bakeries that won’t ‘gay wedding cakes’, Sheldon Adelson the sleazy gambling mogul, and etc is really a joke.

    ISIS is scum, and Muslims need to lighten up, but the new West is sick, degenerate, and decadent. It is not worth saving.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Karl
    , @joe webb
  32. Rehmat says:
    @Che Guava

    YEP – Saudi Arabia has invested $278 billion in US armed industry so far. Last year, Saudi Arabia gave $16 billion to Israel. Riyadh is also interested to buy Israel’s “Dumb Dome”, which was fully-paid by the US taxpayers.

    I don’t think Saudis even spent more money on their “classic” Wahabi madrassas than they spent in Monte Carlo.

  33. Svigor says:

    With a quack-quack here,
    And a quack-quack there,
    Here a quack, there a quack ,
    Everywhere a quack-quack,
    Old Ron Paul had a farm
    Ee i ee i o

    We agree on something, that’s a first.

    FFS, this thread. A cesspool of lunacy.

  34. Gerry1211 says:

    Until anyone can convincingly explain to me that THREE man with AK-47 can walk freely into a theater without being stopped, I don’t buy the official narrative. Passport next to an exploded body? Seriously? …How convenient.
    Now we learn that the French security was left blind during Paris terror attack….

    And then we have this:

    The whole official narrative stinks like 3 day old fish.

    • Replies: @HLMunchkin
  35. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Absolutely nothing new in this “warfare”–it is as old as the world itself. Neither there is this Western media’s poster-child myth, or rather BS, created in the deep recesses of the US “(un)think-tankdom”, such as “Hybrid Warfare”. It is understandable that there are very many “western” humanities and law “educated” Ph.Ds who are in dire need of earnings by intellectually masturbating to ejaculate all kinds of irrelevant taxonomies and terms but, as I already said very many times, explaining to some Ivy League madras’ journo or “political scientist” what Continental Warfare is is as fruitful as asking 2-year old toddler to understand fundamental theorem of calculus. War (real one) and terror are inseparable from each-other.

  36. Art says:

    Who are the French sending their aircraft carrier to bomb – Assad or ISIS?

    If it is Assad them this is 100% a collaborative false flag event on the part of the Western governments.

    The question is, are the Western governments looking out for the Western people or Wahhabism and Zionism?

    Is it not a given that the leadership of ISIS itself a false flag operation!

    Does ISIS not carry out Wahhabist/Zionist anti-Shea interests?

    Are not the Israeli and Saudi leaders on the same page, wanting a weak Sunni government in Syria?

    p.s. It would be a small matter for them to “save the world” and kill the ISIS leaders at the appropriate time.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  37. @Che Guava

    I have little doubt there was a false-flag dimension in those attacks in Turkey.

    Paris, I do not think so.

    Could you share your reasoning as to why you think the attacks in Turkey were a false flag but reject it for France?

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  38. @Olorin

    There is going to be a “terror drill” running somewhere in France, by some security force, somewhere, at any given moment. 365 days a year.

    For crap’s sake, this is what prep means.

    Excuse me. What you’re saying makes no sense to me. If the organs of the State are constantly drilling for this event, as you say, then why were they so woefully unprepared when it actually happened?

  39. Kilo 4/11 says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Frank Marshall Davis. Saul Mendelson. Quentin Young. Timuel Black. Rabbi Arnold Wolf. Cornel West. Danny Davis. Tim Carpenter. Bill Ayers. All either card-carrying communists or crypto-communists. All took part in rearing, educating and grooming Obama. On the record. If “cointellpro” really ran the ’60s rads, who are are all these real people, on record as forming Obama? Where are all those omnipotent ex-FBI agents? Surely they are out there selling their books? Your link proves nothing – it’s just a grab-bag of charges. Whereas, the people I’ve cited were/are real and did real radical things to help their friends Stalin and Mao.

    Hope the men in that white van catch up to you soon.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  40. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    One thing for sure, if Muslim radicals had attacked a ‘far right’ National Front gathering and killed over a 100 people, the mass media would be making excuses and essentially arguing that the dead got what they deserved.

    Look at Media Silence about all the white girls raped in Rotherham, all the whites raped or murdered by blacks.

    And the US media were mostly silent about all the Palestinians killed by Zionists.

    So, who cares about the homo-agenda-pushing globalist freaks who got killed in these recent attacks?

    They are the kind of a**holes who support globalism and want Marine Le Pen put behind bars.

    I say good riddance to those freaks.

    And let’s recall that the Western peoples did NOTHING to stop their leaders from destroying Libya and Syria.
    They were too busy going to night clubs, partying, and dancing while their tax dollars were destroying the Middle East.

    PS. Jonathan Pollard, whose treachery led to the deaths of 100s, will be released next week. That scum was worse than a terrorist, but he walks free because he is Jewish.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  41. @Kilo 4/11

    Glad I could put a bug up your butt. I’d rather associate with a communist like Cornel West than your cross-dressing neocon clowns:


  42. Kiza says:

    Do you really think that the Western regimes and their MSM will tell you who they are really attacking in Syria? All of a sudden they discover truthfulness?

  43. The photo shows a candlelight vigil. Pathetic. These people don’t seem to have any idea of the monster unleashed on Europe as a result of the ideology behind multiculturalism. Light all the candles you want, hold all the marches you want, promote all the tolerance and inclusion you want, Europeans. It won’t help you. You are face to face with an enemy against which you are politically, mentally, morally, physically, and culturally defenseless. Your post-war dreams have been shattered because you chose the path of leftist nirvana. You are now reaping the whirlwind. Enjoy the political correctness as long as you can. It won’t last much longer.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @joe webb
  44. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Before we get all boo hoo hoo about the frogs, let’s not forget the France led the way in messing up Libya and overthrowing Gaddafi.

    Well, look at Libya now.

    Of course, it was French Jews who led the agenda to depose Gaddafi and turn Libya into one big mess, but they take no blame.

    Instead, it’s back to French vs Muslims.

    If the French hadn’t listened to Jews and had kept Muslims out, this mess would not be happening.

    Many more people died in Libya as the result of French meddling.
    Cry for them, not for the piggish Frogs who party the night away while their rotten globalist leaders work with US Zio-globalists to wreck the Middle East and Ukraine.

    The Maidan hellhole was instigated by Jewish globalists and constituted an act of terrorism. And France worked with US to destroy Russia that didn’t do any harm to France.

    French are cucks to globo-US Jews. Let them suffer.

    • Replies: @joe webb
    , @A Fred Reader
  45. Karl says:
    @Priss Factor

    >>> But Islamic rule in Iran is orderly.

    Tell that to Neda Agha-Soltan

    >>> It’s not about crazies going around like punk rockers.

    Correct. It’s about the regime recruiting para-militaries of can’t-get-laid province boys, giving them weapons and motorcycles, and using them as shock troops against city folk.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  46. joe webb says:
    @J Yan

    j yan, tell us more about the Algerian war of independence if you can.

    I only recall one of the terror tactics of the Algerians, bombing movie theaters full of French. And that the war cost maybe over a million lives.

    Joe Webb

  47. joe webb says:
    @No Second Israel

    pure bunk. you claim world war 3 for what? for what? What for?

    I hear conspiracy stories and I ask , for what purpose? Rule the world is the usual answer. The globalists already rule the world…sooooo?

    There is nothing in the middle east worth fighting for, not even oil, since the world is awash in oil.

    So scratch the money angle, which is what most of the ‘follow the money’ silly fellows compulse on. Follow the money and it leads to a pot of nothing.

    Then Israel, nothing new there. Get to the US masses to go for more war for Israel? could be.
    Still, the US masses are not real interested and let the Obongo go on and on and so what else is new? another war in Syria, etc. and so what?…this is what Americans continue to yawn about.

    Conclusion, there is no false flag op needed to continue the wars for Israel.

    The truth is that the muzzies are nuts and need to be driven out of Europe, and this is a great day, the Paris fireworks, to get the liberals to admit that there might be a problem and then the masses of White Europeans to demand that the muzziles must be sent home.

    This is the moment we have been waiting for. False Flag?? maybe it was all cooked up to get Europeans to demand the expulsion of Arabs and Africans. Now that is a Myth I can believe in.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @No Second Israel
  48. joe webb says:
    @No Second Israel

    more of the same fevered “minds” of the terminally confused.

    Joe Webb

  49. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor

    there is truth in what you say, but you miss the main thing, that this is the moment to get rid of muies in Europe…what a spectacular opening, and you cluck about the jews and globalists.

    The role of liberal ideology , One World, and so on, has been the dominant enabling propaganda instrument for Globalism. So, rejoice! One Worldism has been dealt a sharp blow by the Paris Fireworks.

    One Worldism, Rights of Man, Racial Equality…etc. all serve the liberals and globalists and Race levelers.

    It’s the dawn of a Restored Age, an Age of racial inequality, inequality in general, and an end to the mind destroying lies of the jews, liberals, communists, feminists, queers, etc. etc.

    White Civilization is on the threshold of Renewal. Now we just got to start having babies.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  50. joe webb says:

    error in second sentence. Muzzies, not muies

  51. annamaria says:

    “You are now reaping the whirlwind.” Do you mean that Europe has been paying for the PNAC brilliant plans for the Middle East? Just to awake your imagination: Imagine that neither Saddam, not Qaddafi, nor Assad have been attacked by the US/EU superior military forces, and that there were no millions of displaced (homeless and jobless) people that have experienced the violent deaths of their children, parents, and siblings… Without these wars (initiated by the US/EU in accordance with Israel’s most fervent desires) the “whirlwind” of refugees would not has happened (and the economic migrants from sub-Saharan Africa would have continued to be under the control of the functioning Middle Eastern states). The “path of leftist nirvana” was paved by Cheney & and military-financial complex. Don’t you like now Bush the lesser, Blair the pious, the Kagans’ and Krystols’ family business of warmongering, and Feith’ and Wolfowitz’ lies and distortions? A dam was destroyed by the war/oil profiteers assisted by the “chosen.” Now you are unhappy with the ensuing flood. Perhaps you should turn your attention to those who applied the detonators…

    • Replies: @RobinG
  52. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor

    Priss…my gosh you do go on about the Jews. forget them for now.

    We got a chance of a lifetime to save Europe from 50 million muzzies. And the jews cannot stop us on this one. Joe Webb

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Priss Factor
  53. joe webb says:

    yup. One comment. Why use the euphemism of our Enemies,..”multiculturalism?” The true name is multiracialism. Call a spade a spade.

    Joe Webb

  54. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor

    your problem is you are not familiar with normal white Americans, mostly in the fly-over zone.I live in Silicon Valley, the home of strange techie Americans, but even they are nothing like the cardboard characters you have cut out for your shadow play.

    Now, if you wanted to describe the typical US university and its young fools and older white cowards, yeah, more or less.

    ” … new West is sick, degenerate, and decadent. It is not worth saving.” come , come, have a nice ice cream cone, and we will watch something on TV. I suggest the HBO series, “Deadwood”, for something True. (despite a couple pee -cee bits on jews and negroes)

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  55. RobinG says:

    The “path of leftist nirvana” was paved by Cheney & military-financial-media complex.

    “You are now reaping the whirlwind.” Do you mean that Europe has been paying for the PNAC brilliant plans for the Middle East? Just to awake your imagination: Imagine that neither Saddam, not Qaddafi, nor Assad have been attacked by the US/EU superior military forces, and that there were no millions of displaced (homeless and jobless) people that have experienced the violent deaths of their children, parents, and siblings… Without these wars (initiated by the US/EU in accordance with Israel’s most fervent desires) the “whirlwind” of refugees would not has happened (and the economic migrants from sub-Saharan Africa would have continued to be under the control of the functioning Middle Eastern states). The “path of leftist nirvana” was paved by Cheney & and military-financial complex. Don’t you like now Bush the lesser, Blair the pious, the Kagans’ and Krystols’ family business of warmongering, and Feith’ and Wolfowitz’ lies and distortions? A dam was destroyed by the war/oil profiteers assisted by the “chosen.” Now you are unhappy with the ensuing flood. Perhaps you should turn your attention to those who applied the detonators…

    Just want to second this. And add MSM: military-financial-media complex.

  56. Clyde says:

    It’s a guiding principle to always ask cui bono and follow the money trail. But seems to me that with cui bono you are looking for the hidden hand which does not always mean a false flag op. The young Paulista types get very quick on the draw to proclaim “false flag” because it makes them sound cool. And they are wrong 90% of the time. Just my opinion!

  57. @Gerry1211

    Passport next to an exploded body? Seriously? …How convenient.

    There seems to be some correlation between passport material and Pentagon lawn grass. Could it be that passports are made from some kind of grass fiber?

    I want a body suit made of passport. Do you have any idea where I can get one?

  58. geokat62 says:
    @joe webb

    And the jews cannot stop us on this one.

    Joe, as I mentioned previously, rather than stopping us, they are encouraging us:

    The question that has to be asked is: who… is responsible for promoting Political Correctness (PC)?

    The brain-trust behind the promotion of PC is the Frankfurt School. The FS identified nationalism as the root cause of the holocaust. To ensure that another holocaust never occurred again, the FS prescribed cultural Marxism (better known as Political Correctness) as the antidote to nationalism.

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” (emphasis added)

    And hell bent on eradicating PC is a zionist entity with the front name of The Clarion Fund. It is keen on destroying PC, especially in Europe, as the birthrate of Muslims is outstripping that of Christians. The concern is that the jungle will be expanding rather than contracting, thereby making it less safe for the villa.

    The Clarion Fund has produced a trilogy of films – Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, The Third Jihad, and Iranium – in an effort to get the goy to get their act together and re-embrace nationalism.

    With all this toing and froing between nationlism and political correctness, one gets the sense that the goy are perceived to be puppets whose strings are constantly being pulled by the puppet masters.

    Have you watched any of the three films? I highly recommend you do to see how eager they are for us to do their work for them – i.e., “to get rid of the muzzies from Europe.”

    • Replies: @joe webb
  59. @joe webb

    {and so what else is new? another war in Syria, etc. and so what?…this is what Americans continue to yawn about.}

    You are an ignorant American who knows shit about anything yet wants to control the world with its resources and erect “world government” for the Zionist bankers using “election” fraud to place one criminal after the other at the black house and YOU are so ignorant and arrogant at the same time that would not understand what is happening around you and this is going to send you down into your grave. The world is sick with your terrorism and mass murder framing others.

  60. @Karl

    Tell that to Neda Agha-Soltan

    will do, right after the Santa Claus gets out of the chimney.

  61. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @joe webb

    Not true. I spent half my life in ‘flyover country’, the other half in big cities. I’ve seen everything.

    And most people ARE cardboard characters. Sure, everyone has his or her eccentricities, peculiarities, and oddities, but most people are drones, clones, dogs, puppets, muppets, robots, and tards.
    Just look how fast the disease of the homo agenda spread.
    Just look at the spread of tattoo culture.
    Just look at the rise of PC and all the cowardice.

    No, I’ve spoken to ignorami and educated folks, and most of them are programmed robots. Dummies are programmed by Jerry Springer, Family Guy, and Talk Radio. Smarties are programmed by Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, NPR, and homo agenda.

    95% of the time when I have conversations, I can predict exactly what the other person is going to say. Not only the same idea but the same familiar phrases they got from media. It’s like listening to parrots.

    It may be that you are mischaracterizing most people cuz you went from left to right and because you hang around more free-thinking types. You are different from most folks.

    Let me tell you that most people are mindless drones. They are all the more so today since even the educated class read much less than in the past.


    DEADWOOD is something true? It’s just a TV western with the F-word in every other sentence. I heard all the high praise, so I gave it a try, and I turned it off after 20 min cuz I couldn’t take these F-words that went forever. It might have even topped Good Will Hunting—another movie I had to turn off—in F-words.

    I don’t mind F-words when necessary but gratuitous verbal filth is like unnecessary nudity and violence/gore in movies and TV shows.
    Besides, it’s not even daring anymore to use F-words. Every Tarantino movie uses it a 100 times.

    Now, Scorsese knows how to use it right, especially with Joe Pesci who cracks me up.

    But DEADWOOD, like all these so-called serious TV shows, sucked.

    • Agree: dfordoom
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  62. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @joe webb

    “We got a chance of a lifetime to save Europe from 50 million muzzies. And the jews cannot stop us on this one.”

    I disagree.

    Look at 9/11. It was bigger than this recent fiasco.

    And 9/11 was blowback from Jewish-led foreign policy.

    But guess what? Jews got no blame for having had fomented all the mess in the Middle East. Instead, they were given the reins to exploit 9/11 to get US and its ‘coalition of the swilling’ into another big mess in the Middle East that finally led to this massive migration fiasco and more terrorism. How is France reacting to the recent tragedy? They are dropping more bombs on Syria. France is celebrating how ‘diverse France’ is standing together against terrorism. French are weeping over how one of the victims is related to some Negro athlete who is boffing French women.

    Events matter less than who gets to spin them or suppress them.
    Also, due to pop culture opiate, people have short memories. It won’t be long before people are back to rock concerts, sports games, and etc. Amnesia is the glue that holds globalism together. (Globalists know that ethnic memory divides peoples and promotes nationalism. Best way to combat that is to promote amnesia that tells people to ‘reinvent’ themselves in accordance with fashions in pop culture.)

    If anything, this will make the Liberal State even more powerful. It will invoke terrorism to expand its power, and much of this power will be used against domestic patriotic elements.
    That is what happened in the UK. In the name of fighting ‘hate’ and ‘terrorism’, the UK state didn’t just go after Muslims calling for violence but just about any white patriot who calls for end to mass immigration. UK even imprisons those who make funny tweets about Mandela.

    Most people are sheep. The Narrative they accept is the one spun by the media.
    To the very end, even with all the disasters upon them, German people stuck with Hitler’s government since the Nazis controlled the media, government, and narrative.
    Japanese also stuck with the government narrative to the end cuz they had no access to counter-narratives. It took total defeat for the people there to see the light… that didn’t last long since Japanese and Germans eventually became mindless puppets of Jewish-controlled US.
    And look at Stalin’s Russia and Mao’s China. Even after disasters that killed millions, most people stuck with the dominant narrative since the communists monopolized all the media.
    We say the West is democratic, but the mass media are not controlled by the masses. All of it is owned and controlled by a handful of globalist Jews. Even ‘conservative’ talk radio is all about ‘we must hate Iran’, ‘we must stand with Israel’, etc.
    And most journalists are vetted like most politicians are vetted. They are vetted for their political correctness, especially loyalty to Jewish and homo power.

    It’s like Katrina disaster. It was entirely the fault of Democratic-ruled New Orleans and all those Negroes who are into ‘let the good times roll’, but the Narrative pushed by the Jew-run media was ‘Bush was to blame’. So, that became the dominant thread.

    And look at the 80s AIDS fiasco. Any honest person would say the main reason for that was too many homos were buggering one another all over the place. But the only explanation that we hear over and over and over is ‘Reagan’s indifference done it’.

    Look at the US with black violence. These feral ape-folks are going around raping, robbing, hollering, swaggering, swiggering, jiggering, and acting like Negroes that they is. Blacks kill blacks and they also kill and rape and rob plenty of whites, browns, yellows, and etc. But the Narrative makes blacks out to be the main victims of ‘hate’.

    Will Marine Le Pen’s trial end? No. It will go on.
    Will the French wake up? No, they will just watch the news and media that tell that they would be ‘racist’ if they finally said NO to immigration and kicked out Muslims and Negroes. (Besides, even if Muslims were banned from France, what about the bigger danger of black Africans who are 100x worse than any Arab Muslim?)

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  63. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @joe webb

    “One Worldism has been dealt a sharp blow by the Paris Fireworks.”

    You mean like 9/11?

    Or Pearl Harbor?

    Attacks such as these often lead to even more involvement with the world.

    France is now engaging even more in the Muslim World. More Invade, to be followed by more Invite.

    Remember blacks messing up LA and other cities?
    Did it have any impact on white resistance to black thuggery?
    Well, it did among rich white libs in big cities who use gentrification to drive blacks out.

    But paradoxically, in order for affluent whites to push blacks out of cities, they must promote black victimhood even more. Mask their do-ism with their say-ism. What they do is imprison more blacks, stop and frisk the blacks, and push blacks out. But what they DO could be construed as ‘racist’, so they cover it up with loud rhetoric about ‘racial injustice’. So, is their call for racial justice about being more ‘inclusive’ with Negroes?
    No, it’s about cherrypicking the nicer mulatto negroes for themselves while pushing out all the foul ones to white suburbs and small towns in the name of ‘racial integration’.

    In the end, those who control the SAY can cover up all they DO.
    Unless those with the power of SAY are taken down, say-ism will trump do-ism.
    And the mass media are all about say-ism.

    Even with all the immigration fiasco, recent polls show that Bernie Sanders beats Trump by a landslide.
    Why are white folks so stupid? Cuz they follow the say-ism of media and academia that are controlled by Jews and homos and mulattos.

    There is also the issue of vindication of one’s enemies.
    No one wants to listen to the other side gloat ‘I told you so’.

    The fact is Jews, homos, and their allies hate, hate, and hate people like Pat Buchanan. The recent attacks in Paris gives people like Pat the reason to say ‘we told you so’, and this is something Jews and their allies simply cannot take.
    Jews hate certain people so much that even the truth that vindicates such people must be spun into ‘paranoia-mongering’ falsehoods.
    In the end, it is not about right vs wrong but us versus them. Jews hate, hate, and hate white patriots as the main rivals of Jews.
    Jews simply cannot tolerate anything that gives white rightists to say, ‘we told you so’. They take it personally before all else.

  64. Svigor says:

    The bodies are barely cold and the pro-Muslim/commie propagandists are announcing it was a false flag attack.

    Gerry, Krinkovs are under 20″ with the stock folded – that will easily fit into a small backpack or inside a coat under the arm. Heck, you can break down an AR and fit it into a briefcase, and it takes about 5-10 seconds to reassemble and load. If none of that is good enough, they can smuggle weapons in at their leisure before the operation and retrieve them when it’s go time (e.g., in the bathroom).

    RTW: I’d rather associate with a communist

    We already knew that, but it’s nice to hear you say it.

    Glad I could put a bug up your butt.

    Yes, I bet it was the highlight of your day. You probably pull the wings off flies, too.


    The upshot of all of this pro-Jihadi/pro-commie “it’s always a Mossad/CIA false flag operation” silliness is that Jihadis are peaceniks who never bomb anyone (and commies never marched millions to their deaths in gulags and shallow graves). How plausible does that really seem?

    It’s indistinguishable from Muslim/Soviet propaganda.

    Moron (or Hasbara, readers choice) COINTELPRO and GLADIO (establishment operations) were responsible for much of what you cite.

    Yes, commies and jihadis are the good guys. LOL. Deep-fried brain. Muslims will behead you leftist idiots when they gain power.

    The essence of these leftist conspiracy-theorists, beyond their dubious grip on reality, is that they either ignore or applaud the demographic destruction of the west being carried out by western (and “western”) elites. So they ignore the fact that false-flag operations are a great way to get white populations to wake up on the operating table while the elite is busy trying to euthanize them. Makes no sense at all; the elites want whites sleeping comfortably, not waking up and breaking free from their restraints, which terrorist attacks are likely to contribute to. Jihadis, on the other hand, have other things to worry about, like looking strong on the Muslim street.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  65. Svigor says:

    Yeah thanks mushbrain.

  66. Svigor says:

    I mean, just look at all the rhetoric from western elites:

    “It’s terrorists!” (not Islamic terrorism or Muslim terrorists)
    “It’s extremism!” (not Islamic extremism or Muslim extremism or Radical Islam or Radical Muslims)
    “They’re the victims of the terrorists too!”
    “Cry, cry your eyes out, you’re victims! Too bad there’s nothing we can do!”

    Does this sound like the way to whip populations into war fever? No. It sounds like “gd it, the gd Muslims did it again, how are we going to spin this to the Muslims’ benefit?”

  67. Svigor says:

    “Look! Look! The terrorists are European! Belgian, French, etc! Yippeee!” (not “these were all Muslims, sometimes second generation Muslims who were born here to Muslim immigrant parents.”)

    Yeah, that’s a real clinic on how to stir up the hate against the Muslims.

  68. Svigor says:

    Then there’s people like Priss, who these tards actually accuse of being Hasbarists. F…F…S, how many brain cells does it take to know how stupid that is?

    It’s like these clowns all got the double-gene for “pick the dumbest shit possible and believe that to the exclusion of everything else.”

    I’m sure I’m always about a short and curly away from being accused of being caught out as an Hasbarist myself; the absolute circus clown stupidity of the idea notwithstanding (my record here goes back more than 10 years but that won’t matter, only the delusions will).

    • Replies: @AnAnon
  69. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    There is so much talk, but talk is cheap.

    Anyone can say anything. I can say I’m the Easter Bunny, and you can say you’re superman. It doesn’t make it so.

    But the Power of Say carries a lot of weight, especially when so many people are infantile and misinformed. It’s why kids are easily fooled. If some white-bearded old fool says, “I’m Santa”, kids fall for that shit.

    So much of what the elites say is caca, but they have control of the media, so they get to fool a lot of people. Not all the people but enough of the people.
    Also, they have the power to silence the naysayers. So, for example, the ‘gaysayers’ win over the ‘naysayers’.

    Also, naysaying against the elites has become dangerous cuz naysayers are tagged with ‘racism’, ‘homophobia’, ‘xenophobia’, and ‘antisemitism’.
    This is all very amusing since the elites, in terms of what they DO(as opposed to what they SAY), are the biggest mongers of power, privilege, and supremacism.

    We must turn off the noise and see the truth.
    Suppose we are seeing a film with voice-over narration.
    We must turn off the voice-over narration and see what really happens.
    We must judge for ourselves. The voice-over narration can override what we are seeing and spin whatever happens to suit the narrator.
    We must see and judge for ourselves. For example, we see black thugs attacking innocent people. But media voice-over narration says ‘teens’ and ‘youths’. It also says, “if you use the term ‘thug’, you are racist.”

    We must distinguish between the True Premise and the False Promise.
    True Premise is the actual core basis that animates those who are vying for power.
    False Promise is the smoke and mirrors they use to distract us from the True Premise.

    The True Premise of globalist Jews is supremacist power for all eternity. That is the core conviction and passion that truly animate most of Jewish action and policy around the world.
    But, Jews know that they cannot be forthright about such ambition.
    So, they peddle so many False Promises about ‘diversity’, ‘equality’, ‘tolerance’, ‘progress’, and yabba dabba, but notice how all these issues are distorted and tweaked so that they selectively favor Jewish interests around the world.

    To understand the true nature of Jewish power, we need to focus on the Core Premise. It is tribal, it is racial, it is supremacist, and it is aggressive.

    Why are Jews pushing all this massive migration of Arabs and Africans into Europe? It’s not about justice or equality or tolerance or whatever. It is to protect Jewish power by using divide-and-rule among whites and immigrants.

    We must not fall for the lures. It’s like a pitcher plant. It seems like heaven to insects who come for its sweets and fragrance. But like the tropical island in LIFE OF PI, it is meant to devour those who come near.

    Jews may use lures to fool us, but it is really to destroy us.

    A fish would be stupid to fall for the False Promise of the wormy-looking thing in the Alligator-Snapping-Turtle’s mouth. It is just a lure. The True Premise of the snapping turtle is to devour and eat the fish. But fish get fooled cuz they focus on the false promise of the lure than the true premise of the turtle’s appetite.

    Jews are motivated by hunger for power, not justice. Their yammering about justice is just a lure to fool us. It is not goodness they want from us. They want control over us. They want to own us. That is the true premise of Jewish power.

  70. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    There may be some terrorists among ‘Syrian refugees’, but surely the real threat to white America is dangerous Negroes.

    If white patriots had any sense, they should really be opposing stuff like Section 8 programs that sends blacks into white neighborhoods. Bad Negroes attack whites and commit crime, the good Negroes take white women and use white wombs to produce mulattos like Obama.

    Lose-lose for the white race.

    • Replies: @Akira
  71. Akira says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    the good Negroes take white women

    Thank you for openly admitting the fear that is the actual source of your racist hysteria.

  72. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor

    well Priss, I hope you pay more attention to other matters than.”..eard all the high praise, so I gave it a try, and I turned it off after 20 min cuz I couldn’t take these F-words that went forever.”

    Let us see, let us be Rational, come let us Reason together. Something tells me you are female since your tender sensibility was Offended by the fuck word.

    The show lasted three seasons, I am not a TV watcher, but I did discover Deadwood along with the Sopranos somewhere inasmuch as I do not have cable, etc. The Sopranos was pretty good because it told , apparently , the truth. I got a little boring, but.

    So Deadwood, 3 seasons at, what 10 episodes or so per season? Let us say, 25 to 30 episodes. And you watched 20 minutes and your ears were fuck-burning so you went back to your Jane Austen.

    OK, but as a critic, you have zero to say on the basis of not having watched ,say, 3% of the entire show. You are, in other words, disqualified.

    Now since you and I are somewhat on the same page, although I find you like a lot of folks…cussedness possessed and self -victimizing of Columbus Syndrome ( so ego bound that you have to discover it for yourself ) your reasoning abilities are diminished, again not by native brain-power but by your cussedness…and female hysteria, what is called “loopy cunts” by Al Swearengen of Deadwood.

    My personal experience over, say 60 years of nascent and mature adulthood, male variety, is that women are loopy, even when bright, but not as loopy when bright. Are men loopy? yes to some degree, but not nearly so much as women.

    I am not complaining, that is the evolutionary role of women, not to think, but to feel, and of course, they do a good job with children because of it. When thinking…forget it to a large degree.

    Deadwood is the best cinema I have ever seen, except for its pee-cee with regard to blacks and Jews. HBO is Jewish and the creator of Deadwood, Milch is a jew, and so you have to dodge your own vomit at these junctures…to appreciate the Truths of Deadwood. Milch and so many others, actors, etc. are all brilliant. There is not a false note or bum poetic diction in the series, otherwise. The visuals are painterly as well.

    So I also wonder where you have some fun. Nature? Music, socializing…although I bet you are, shall we say, a challenge. Pets? cross-word puzzles? (I think they are erode one’s sensibility as they rack our precious lexicon…words twisted and bent in meaning )

    Joe Webb

  73. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    “Thank you for openly admitting the fear that is the actual source of your racist hysteria.”

    That’s what it’s all about.

    History is struggle for land, materials, sex, technology, and narratives.

    Without land, there is no nation.
    Without sex with your kind, your race is done, esp if women of one’s race mates with others.
    Without material resources, you can’t win.
    Without better technology, you lose.
    Without control of narrative, you lose the argument.

    All true understanding of history must be race-ist, territorialist, materialist, and narrativist.

    How else but through sex are people created?

    If the women of one’s race use wombs to produce children for the other race, the race has been cooked.

    Look at Latin America. The indigenous men had to suffer the humiliation of seeing their women produce children for conquistadores who took control over the land.

    In the West, Jews now control the technology and narrative. Jews brainwashed fools like you into believing that struggle for land and sex is so eeeeeeeevil. Oh, you should emulate Angela Merkel instead.
    ‘Western culture’ is now about black sexual conquest of whites. White Lib elites indulge in cuckold fantasies.
    Is is a culture war and sexual war.

    History isn’t tidy and nice.
    It is really about the struggle for dirt and bodily fluids.
    At its core, it is beastly.
    It’s like eating. Sure, we have table manners, but it’s still about chewing chunks of dead flesh with our teeth and turning it into shit in our intestines. Beastly daily ritual of survival.

    You need to stop hysterically denying what is the true nature of historical struggle.

    Jews understand this. Everything they condemn in whites they obsessively pursue themselves.

    But you… what do you fight for?

    ‘Justice’? ‘Diversity’? ‘Equality’? ‘Gay rights’? ‘Tranny love’?

    That’s all wussy shit for naive fools.

    Now consider the exploding population of Africa + massive migration + jungle fever + white male dorky cuckiness. What they all add up to? Whites becoming like the natives of the Americas when conquered by the Conquis.

    BIRTH OF A NATION and THE SEARCHERS got it right.

    It is a fight for land and women. And in the end, women like winners in this struggle.

    Ever since white guys have turned nice like goo-goo boy Ken Burns, they’ve lost the respect of white women.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  74. Svigor says:

    Akira makes a good point: Israel, China, African countries, Asian countries, Latin countries…they are all far more restrictive in their immigration policies because Jews, Chinese, blacks, Asians, Latinos, they’re all far less secure in their sexuality than whites.

  75. @Priss Factor

    … let’s not forget the France led the way in messing up Libya and overthrowing Gaddafi. ¶ Well, look at Libya now.

    NATO’s decision to overthrow Qadhdhafi is among the most peculiar geopolitical events of the 21st century thus far, given how much he conceded to placate the West beginning in 2003.

    Here are MSM, think tank, NGO and US government reports:

    What motivated NATO to overthrow Qadhdhafi in spite of the major concessions he made, and in spite of having no plan to stabilize Libya afterward? The MSM never ask this; neither HRC nor her House Republican accusers explain it, unless you count word salad about “promoting democracy.” The silence really is deafening. The real reason must be secret.

    Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh has implied that a NATO plan for a post-Qadhdhafi “ratline” of weapons to anti-Assad forces in Syria was involved:

    Seemingly unaware of the ratline, sources of mine have offered a bizarre, baroque, unlikely explanation, for which I have no evidence.

    What do you think really happened, and why do you think so?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  76. @Priss Factor

    To the very end, even with all the disasters upon them, German people stuck with Hitler’s government since the Nazis controlled the media, government, and narrative.

    Think about what you’re saying here, Priss: even with all the disasters . . . Germans stuck with NSDAP because NSDAP controlled the narrative.

    What should they have done?
    The Allies’ stated goal in fire bombing civilians was to force a capitulation of the government. Allies did not directly target the government, they held civilians, including infants in cribs, hostage. Nice.

    What should the people have done? Sent up balloons to surrender to B-17s? Infiltrated the military and killed the generals? Burned down the Reichstag since the Allies were somehow incapable of doing so themselves? Burned down their own houses before Allies got the chance?

    What should German civilians have done? Organized a Million Man March on the Reichstag? Did NSDAP propaganda prevent that from happening?

    Did the German people refrain from forcing a capitulation of their government because NSDAP controlled the narrative — in spite of the fact that millions of Germans had been burned out of their homes, towns and cities, and hundreds of thousands of Germans had been reduced to carbon stains on walls or log-like shapes melted into the asphalt — that was not compelling; it was the Nazi-controlled narrative that kept them from saying, You Bastards! I’m out of here! I’m going to Russia with all the Jews who fled from Poland! Take your swastika is use it for toilet paper!

    Why did Russian soldiers “stick with Stalin’s government”? The answer is, they didn’t: millions of Russians surrendered to German forces in their first encounters. Germans didn’t know what to do with them; Germany is blamed for killing Russian POWs or allowing them to starve — it was either feed the German population and the Wehrmacht or Russian POWs: what choice should NSDAP have made, inasmuch as they had not yet implement the Lebansraum plan that Alexander is so fond of citing as “central to Nazism.”
    Russian soldiers only “stuck with Stalin’s government” when Zhukov set up units to fire on any soldier who did not march forward and attack. A Russian soldier had no choice: he was dead either way. That’s what control looks like. Goebbels should have been a professor of media or a think-tank talking head: he was concerned with doing propaganda the right way; he was obsessed with the aesthetic values of the propaganda — it was cerebral and artistic, appealing to higher values and emphasizing Germans-as-victims of Jewish financial manipulations as well as Allied viciousness, not gross and visceral, like Capra’s crap that appealed to the lowest common denominator, and the Hollywood barrage that succeeded by inciting hate at a level of brutality only slightly above that of Ilya Ehrenburg.

  77. @Priss Factor

    History is struggle for land, materials, sex, technology, and narratives.

    When NSDAP Germany does it successfully it is the most evil behavior humanity has ever known.

    When Iranians do it it is because they are led by “theocrats who worship death and are the world’s state sponsor of terrorism.”

    When Churchill does it, it is to “save Christian civilization.”

    When Jews do it it is because it is their god-given destiny as chozen people and anyway everybody is always picking on Jews and kicking sand in their faces even when they live in forests and frozen tundras.

    When Americans do it, it makes Kori Schake’s mother happy because “people everywhere yearn to be free.”

  78. annamaria says:
    @A Fred Reader

    “”What motivated NATO to overthrow Qadhdhafi in spite of the major concessions he made, and in spite of having no plan to stabilize Libya afterward?”

    Here is the answer to your question:

    “In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran”

    All according to the plan.

    • Replies: @A Fred Reader
  79. joe webb says:

    your comments are correct with regard to Cultural Bolshevism, etc. No I have not viewed the films you remark.

    I guess the Clarion Fund is just another jewish strategy to harm muslims, etc. Fine. Good for the Jews in this case is Good for us.

    The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

    Someone doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, from a strategic view, is ok. The first thing is to get rid of the muzzies in Europe.

    The fact that the Jews got all of this entrained…starting with the conquest of Palestine and continuing thru the neocon wars for Israel, etc, etc. is beside the point right now.

    Just as American Renaissance avoids the issue of jewish championing of Negroes, founding the NAACP, leading the civil rights movement, etc., it does so for strategic reasons inasmuch as the jewish power is still entrenched. (it will remain so for some time as the usually overlooked factor of the Old Testament and Jews especially in Protestantism, is huge in American Christianity, and the US is still very religious, unlike Europe)

    So, if some jews champion a resurgence of nationalism is Europe, great.

    Overreach can be justifiably suggested these days with regard to the Jewish Power. Their communism failed, their psychoanalysis failed ( another vital part of cultural marxism usually overlooked as well) and their Negro championing is going to fail sooner or later, and Europe is rejecting the jewish pro-immigration politics … jewish subversion, and Rights of Man White pathological altruism as well.

    The whole thing is coming along nicely, so let the bad times roll and enjoy it.

    Joe Webb

  80. AnAnon says:

    If its a false flag, we’re making them look… exactly how they want to look to bolster their own recruiting. Likewise Americans already support bombing ISIS, and if the media was determined to drum up additional support they need only put what happened to the American aid worker on 24/7.

    If faking an attack by Assad’s enemies is supposed to make us support bombing Assad, how does that work?

  81. KA says:

    Terrorism changes its face as does the war . Shifting alliances are the new norms among both parties
    .Allowing limited hangout carries some risk for possible turning of the gun against the handlers. Both play same game in this morally equivalent game of murderous brinkmanship.

    See here is Guardian –

    “I think, at this point, the possibility that the terrorists may have had state support has to be considered. The near simultaneous attacks on multiple targets, the timing and planning involved, and at least circumstantial evidence that Abaaoud has been shielded in some way – perhaps by supporting players – all point to a level of tradecraft a bit higher than what is achievable by former Ba’athist officers in Saddam Hussein’s intelligence service.”

    The Pope, for example, might say that we need peace in the Middle East, but he would never say: the western powers should give up their ambitions and get out. He knows his place. This is what Islamists don’t do. They don’t subordinate themselves to the secular authorities. It may be that Islam is the last major religion to be depoliticized.”

    How the West Created the Islamic State

    War is not cheap regime change is not cheap,

    Years ago Marx articulated the unspoken truth to British Raj following 1857 rebellion against East India Company: This is not about Muslim eating pork or Hindus eating beef by the diktat It is about oppression famine starvation and torture carried by economic policy of East India Company – Marx averred

  82. joe webb says:

    We don’t hear the old “heart and minds” mantra of the Vietnam era anymore. The hearts and minds of the Indo-Chinese were not to be won, in the largest part because their minds and hearts were very different from their White counterparts. We argued Individualism (principle) but they felt Collectivistic. Communism appealed to that difference.

    Now while the hearts and minds argument does not appear , at least now…the jews neocons back in 2003 , etc. did use that kind of rhetoric and also managed to get in the jab of “You are a Racist if you think Arabs are incapable of Democracy.” All we had to do was kill Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis would throw flowers in our path. And we could export American exceptionalism and democracy to the benighted, a contradiction to be sure, but the Jews are good at getting the goyem to accept contradictions, like immigration for White lands, but no immigration into Israel.

    Since then the Jews have changed their strategy and now tell us that Arabs are hopelessly terroristic, anti-democratic, etc. Well, they are correct and now that we, led by Jews, have destroyed the Strong Men like Hussein, or Khadafy and are working on Assad’s overthrow, and failed-states are the norm…. the whirlwind comes and the jews got what they wanted, a middle east in disarray. Where all that goes in unclear, but it appears to be just more of the same anarchy.

    Liberal mentality.
    Liberal Reason which assumes basic rationality based on Western psychology, that no man knowingly does wrong (Socrates), that psyches world-wide are essentially the same (like the White liberal’s psyche…the implicit racism of liberals…that whitesLiberals Know, and have begun the End of History, and that the Third World will fall into line with the First world, etc.

    This is all hokum, but self-serving for liberal ideologues. (Speaking of Karl Marx, he was a Darwinian, used the term “nigger,” and gave us the term Oriental Despotism, with which he omitted the Orient from the historicism of his Dialectical Materialism.)

    Liberals think they are God’s Chosen, and where did that impulse come from anyway? Chosen People, City on a Hill , Holier than thou, Puritanism’s purity, and don’t forget the ‘structural requirements of international capitalism. You cannot sell your junk to darkies if they think you are a racist. In this case, the marxian critique of ideology as determined by economics has usefulness.

    The Righteousness of Liberals is akin to religious zealots. They are zealots of course, and have a religion. This liberal religion, with its magical thinking (racial equality, Culture as the Supreme Mystery, belief in devils…that would be White Racists! ) and massive Denial of inequality is also self-serving…they can Believe that they are just as good as anybody else, or better, or more equal as the line goes.

    This is comforting in our meritocratic world which creates so much self-doubt. Well, Liberals are not just as good as anybody else, they are an unstable psychological mess of resentment, envy, and
    ———–Back to Marx.
    For Marx, the West would progress thru various Stages of History, but the Orient would just remain the same old collectivist bee-hive of chink and rag-head zombies.

    He was right of course. Capitalism does seem to be a Western development only….that much, at least, has been fulfilled by Marxist historicism. There is no capitalism with its market freedoms, and rationalizing economic development thruout the near and far east.

    Yes there is a semblance but only that. It is all grifter state-capitalism with systemic corruption.


    So, Marx’s intuition was correct, but he, like Darwin, did not have genetics information. All they had then was inheritance to work with, but they knew there was something like what we now know is the genome.

    The East will never be like the West. Even with smart Easterners like the north-east Asians, they are still mired in superstition, magical thinking, and of course family cronyism, state and economic cronyism, and the inability to think in principled terms. It is the old Principle vs. Friendship organizing a state or society. Friendship here does not mean loving relationship…affiliative love. It just means good ol’ boys, or gangs.

    So, because this form of society and state is inherently unstable because of lack of Principles, the only way it state and society can be maintained is by a Strong Man and his army, Praetorian Guard, etc.

    This is the form of state and society all over the world, except for Europe. With Principle and a lot of altruism, both genetically derived, the West overcame its own atavistic social and political tendencies (clan and local tribe ) and pulled itself out of the muck of a multitude of contending political entities.

    This is largely Good, but on the other hand, has greatly reduced the power of personal connections and friendship and , shall we say, racial consciousness. We left clan and extended kin-ship ties behind and have become too much alone and individualistic, invoking the Principles of civic ties, but without those Principles carrying much personal juice or passion.

    Principles are good for relative peacetime, but when war and invasion threaten, the primitive brain needs to be activated. Hatred, fury at the invader, and herding together for emotional bonding is required. The the battalions and divisions are formed, as well as local militias.

    The milquetoast liberalism offers creeds, when what is required is deeds, often violent. Soldiers fight for one-another, not Principles of Equality or anti-racism , or even pro-racism. Soldiers fight as comrades. Hopefully, White racial solidarity will appear less as a Principle and much more as a Bonding of genetic similar.

    Because the Arabs and Africans are tribe, clan, warlord/vassals, and religious sect bound, they can only fight amongst themselves as opposed to uniting the way Whites can unite when the Threats become more and more real, with blood on the ground, and liberal chattering shoved aside.

    Joe Webb

  83. @annamaria

    “What motivated NATO to overthrow Qadhdhafi in spite of the major concessions he made, and in spite of having no plan to stabilize Libya afterward?”

    Here is the answer to your question:

    “In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran”


    All according to the plan.

    Those are interesting and relevant videos, thank you. However, both refer to a time when Qadhdhafi had not yet made concessions to placate the West.

    The first video presents no coherent motivation, suggesting instead that Dubya’s administration was just flailing around. Also, the time frame to which it refers was unrealistic in military terms, not to mention politically.

    The second video offers as a strategic motivation the breakup of nations hostile to Israel into smaller states. That’s plausible for Israel, the USA and perhaps Canada.

    For the rest of NATO, however, destabilizing a large, oil-rich country just across the Mediterranean would pose any number of serious disadvantages. For the European members of NATO, given those drawbacks, Qadhdhafi’s concessions ought to have tipped the balance against intervention, unless a factor unknown to the public played a decisive role.

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  84. geokat62 says:
    @A Fred Reader

    [It’s not a good idea to regularly include long lists in comments, especially if the lists are repeated.]

    Perhaps this video will be a little more convincing:


    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

    Paul Wolfowitz
    Richard Perle
    Douglas Feith
    Lewis Scooter Libby
    Michael Ledeen
    The Kagan clan, incl. Victoria Nudelman
    The Kristol clan
    The Podhoretz clan
    David and Meyrav Wurmser
    Joe Lieberman
    Chuck Schumer
    Alan Dershowitz
    John Hagee
    Pat Robertson
    Eternal World Television Network (EWTN)
    Elliot Abrams
    Eliot A. Cohen
    Eliot Engel
    Charles Krauthammer
    David Frum
    John Bolton
    Jennifer Rubin
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael Rubin
    Ed Royce
    Daniel Pipes
    Marc Grossman
    James Woolsey
    Michael Chertoff
    Sheldon Adelson
    Rudy Giuliani
    Newt Gingrich

    The names of the torture facilitators are:

    Bruce Jessen
    James Mitchell
    Alberto Gonzales
    Timothy Flanigan
    John Yoo
    John Rizzo
    Jay Bybee
    Robert Delahunty

  85. Several of the readers’ comments on this article, including mine, express concerns and raise questions that might benefit from reconsideration of a different recent Patrick Cockburn piece:

    I invite you all to visit and bookmark that URL, and I hope you will offer comments of your own. I’ll say more there than I’ve said here.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  86. KA says:

    Someone is offering a new kind of ” old” solution–

    “Speaking on Israeli radio on Sunday, Shabtai Shavit, a former chief of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, said that the international coalition that has been fighting the Islamic State for more than a year must “stop talking and start doing.”

    He continued: “With this enemy, we have to push aside arguments on law, morality and comparisons of security and the rights of the individual. That means to do what they did in World War II to Dresden. They wiped it off the map. That is what has to be done to all the territorial enclaves that ISIS is holding.”

    Unsaid, though, was the thousands of deaths of civilians in Dresden.
    ( NYTimes 11/18/2015
    Tim Arango)

    also published in

    It is always to something out of remote past – either Cannan or Dresden. Haman or Hitler

  87. annamaria says:

    “Dubya’s administration was just flailing around.” – True. Yet the second video that “offers a strategic motivation the breakup of nations hostile to Israel into smaller states,” explains that the plans for the break up have been in a process of shaping for decades; U.S. General Wesley Clark summarized these plans as their were reaching their implementation.
    It is correct that the implementation of what could be called, for brevity, the “Yinon Plan” has been disastrous for Europe, because the “breakup of nations hostile to Israel into smaller states” broke the previously functioning Middle Eastern states that used to control the fanatical Islamists AND the potentially huge waves of economic migrants from sub-Saharan Africa. The breakup of these functioning states is also the cause of the powerful monster of ISIS that is now reaching the first-world countries for revenge.
    Similar to Samson Option, the Yinon Plan cares for one state only while showing a complete disregard for all other countries. But this is exactly what is leading Israel to its undoing.

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  88. Isis may be intent on showing that it can strike anywhere in the world

    Anywhere that has a significant Muslim population, that is.

  89. KA says:

    Israel has gone up only to fall big throughout the history from the conquering of Egypt to the rise in Weimar Republic. Solomon’s kingdom started crumbling when the fight to keep genetic purity seized the nation’s politics.

    Even the brightest and the most innovative has its blind spot .Israel is powerful today and is in a position to stick to an agreed upon solution .But that will deprive it of the enormous helps in money and technology it receives from the west .Perpetual war around Israel ensures the gravy train never will stop. Israel has to work and fend for itself if peace breaks out.

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  90. RobinG says:
    @A Fred Reader

    Gaddafi threatened the economic elite. Those citing only the Yinon Plan are too focused on Israel as the sole cause of all troubles. There are always multiple moving parts interacting with each other.

    Below is the first thing that came up on my search, but Gaddafi’s efforts to form a union among Arab states (failed) and then among Africans is well documented. He transformed Libya, and wanted to lift Africa from under the yoke of the economic hitmen. Huge threat to western banks, etc.

    9. Libya had It’s own state bank

    Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

    10. The gold dinar

    Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.

    The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.

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    , @A Fred Reader
  91. annamaria says:

    So tragically true. The willing & cunning has become an engine for war profiteers.
    The ongoing (if not painful) turn of the developing world’ opinion will eventually “deprive it of the enormous helps in money and technology it receives from the west,” but not before the whole world faces an existential threat.

  92. annamaria says:

    “Gaddafi threatened the economic elite”
    Absolutely correct. Libya had found herself attacked by two prongs of a bloody fork: Israel and the empire of Federal Reserve.

  93. RobinG says:
    @A Fred Reader

    Thanks for linking to that article. Cockburn hits it.

    “Although Clinton would have been an easy target due to her significant contribution to the disintegration of Libya, her Republican critics avoided the issue. After all, the UN Security Council, Nato, US allies such as David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy, and many senior Republicans in the US had applauded military intervention in Libya and would have to take a share of the blame.”

    I’ve been trying to persuade the Benghazi! people that they should be asking WTF their loved ones were doing there in the first place. (Not just whether security was inadequate.) Even before Hersh, people like Hillary Mann Leverett were pointing out that Stevens was up to no good.

    Herein is another reason for attacking Gaddafi. Not as part of the Yinon Plan per se, but knowing Libya was a huge arsenal, taking it to supply the assault on Syria. (As a bonus, the whole MENA is now awash in Libyan weapons.)

  94. @RobinG

    Your statement that Qadhdhafi threatened the economic elite and global finance could indeed help explain the baffling NATO decision to overthrow him.

    The article you cite, however, makes a claim that strikes me as unlikely.

    Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold… Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos. ¶ The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.

    Today’s financial system allows banks to lend more money than they actually have, using currency that only exists in digital form as a proportion of what they lend. Rather than a gold standard such as many nations had in the past, rather than the electric power standard (1¢=1kWh, current=currency) recommended by Buckminster Fuller for the future, global finance now bases money on a dual standard, a standard of confidence in the reserve currency on the public side, and a standard of computational security through encryption on the private side. Many refer to this duality as a “floating” standard.

    I agree with you that NATO might have perceived Qadhdhafi as a threat to one side or the other of this dual standard, either confidence or encryption or both. It seems plausible that the Libyan state bank, or the proposal for a African dinar based on gold, or something else entirely, might have constituted such a threat. I think that’s realistic.

    As for the article’s claim that such a dinar might have inaugurated an African golden age, solving the continent’s problems of debt, poverty and external exploitation, well, when you paint my portrait, color me skeptical. Could a gold-backed currency threaten public confidence in “floating” currencies? Absolutely. Could it build an economy so robust as to cure the endemic ills of Africa? I expect not. Gold is just a metal, nothing more.

  95. geokat62 says:
    @A Fred Reader

    … unless a factor unknown to the public played a decisive role.

    Here’s an excerpt from James Petras most recent article:

    But Zionist policymakers had a much larger agenda than erasing Iraq as a viable country: They had a longer list of targets: Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Libya, whose destructions were to be carried out with US and NATO blood and treasure (and not a single Israeli soldier)…

    The Zionist faction destroyed Gaddafi (whose capture, grotesque torture and murder was filmed and widely disseminated), eliminating another real adversary of Israel and supporter of Palestinian rights.

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    , @A Fred Reader
  96. annamaria says:

    While Syria’s fall is still in question, the Zionists enjoy the release of Pollard. What a day for the Israel-firsters! As an exemplary dual citizen, Pollard was also open to “helping” other states (for money, strictly business.) “Pollard had offered highly classified documents to three other countries before hitting up Israel. Those countries were later reported to be Pakistan, South Africa, and Australia.”

  97. @geokat62

    Israel’s hostility toward Qadhdhafi was no secret, and Israel’s ability to steer the North American members of NATO into supporting his overthrow is not in doubt. What I’m questioning is why the European members of NATO went along with this, given the perils they knew a destabilized Libya would present for them, and given the concessions Qadhdhafi had made to placate the West.

    “Preventing another Bosnia or Kosovo in Cyrenaica” and “Qadhdhafi’s African currency proposal had to be quashed” and “Zionist manipulation of elites in Paris and Brussels” are all points in a range of possible explanations involving factors already known to the public. Such factors played some role, and are worth discussing here. I fully accept that.

    But are those factors enough to have tipped the balance in favor of intervening in a way that would actually topple Qadhdhafi? As opposed to just defending an enclave in Benghazi? My answer is no. Countries along the northern shore of the Mediterranean Sea would have opposed intervening to overthrow, unless a secret of some kind was decisive in persuading their leaders. And the public deserves to know the decisive secret.

    I have sources who claim to know the secret reason, but their explanation strikes me as dubious and weird, so I’m looking for likelier ideas.

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    , @geokat62
    , @RobinG
  98. geokat62 says:
    @A Fred Reader

    Countries along the northern shore of the Mediterranean Sea would have opposed intervening to overthrow, unless a secret of some kind was decisive in persuading their leaders.

    Aren’t these the same leaders who went along with the AngloZionist plan to engineer a coup in Ukraine by removing the democratically elected leader that resulted in immense harm to their own economies?

    I think M&W demonstrated that lobbies can influence governments to pursue policies that are inimical to the national interest.

    • Replies: @A Fred Reader
  99. geokat62 says:
    @A Fred Reader

    I have sources who claim to know the secret reason,…

    Here’s a revealing article published by Forward:

    Qaddafi, I came to understand, had spent decades conditioning his populace to hate Jews in a bid to build popular support for himself, as so many Arab dictators have done…

    In October, Gerbi returned to Tripoli to reopen the historic Dar Bishi Synagogue. In response he was nearly lynched while praying there. Hundreds of Libyans protested his presence in Tripoli and Benghazi on the eve of Yom Kippur, with placards that read, “There is no place for Jews in Libya.” His endeavor ended under threat of death and with a return flight to Rome on an Italian military plane…

    Even if Qaddafi had Jewish ancestry, his completion of the ethnic cleansing of Libya’s Jews, his support for terrorism against Israel and Western targets and his backing for Palestinian fighters against Israel during the Lebanese Civil War (my driver to Benghazi from Misratah was in fact stationed in Lebanon to provide military assistance) defies any claim that he identified or practiced as a Jew…

    While Libyan interim government officials have said that Gerbi’s timing was too soon, a simple cross-country trip tells me that, at least in my generation, there never will be an appropriate time for Libyan Jews.

  100. RobinG says:
    @A Fred Reader

    Your doubts seem to stem from incredulity that people/governments do stupid things. That’s rich.
    Part of comment made at Peter Lee’s article.

    “Paris: Made in Libya” is an honest hook

    Bullshit. “Paris: made in Paris” would be the more honest hook. Bernard-Henri Lévy lobbying Sarkozy who managed to get Hillary on board lobbying for overthrow of Gaddafi would be the better start down the rabbit trail this article has taken.

    Insofar as the rise of IS, ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State, Daesh, you need look no farther than ‘the western powers’ capitals Paris, London, Berlin, & Washington with ample help from Tel Aviv, Ankara, Doha and Riyadh:

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  101. @geokat62

    Aren’t these the same leaders who went along with the AngloZionist plan to engineer a coup in Ukraine by removing the democratically elected leader that resulted in immense harm to their own economies?

    Western meddling in Ukraine was unwise, and misportrayed in the mainstream US media, but how was it Zionist?

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    , @geokat62
  102. @RobinG

    Your doubts seem to stem from incredulity that people/governments do stupid things. That’s rich.

    Nicely put, but some of my doubts come from a different direction. I have sources with a strange explanation for Qadhdhafi’s overthrow that I’m struggling to assess, relating to a story I’ve been following since 1984.

    Part of comment made at Peter Lee’s article.

    Thanks for the interesting link. The role of Bernard-Henri Lévy mentioned by Ronald Thomas West in comment #4 under that article might prove your point. I’d like to know more about his lobbying effort.

    However, the DIA report linked and viewable in the comment does not seem relevant either to Lévy or to his possible role in the NATO decision to remove Qadhdhafi. It shows that the DIA knew the Syrian opposition better than the MSM admits, but that is tangential to my question.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  103. RobinG says:
    @A Fred Reader

    You keep alluding to this “strange explanation”, but you don’t ever say what it is. Do you feel you shouldn’t ask a ‘leading question’? It’s getting to feel like cat and mouse. I guess you’re fishing to see if anyone heard “it” from another source, or something.

  104. RobinG says:
    @A Fred Reader

    It’s hard to draw a straight line, especially because the billions that Nuland boasted of investing in the Kievist insurgency was over a period of 10 years. But in a more recent time-frame, there is something to suggest that the renewed venom towards Putin was backlash for his extracting Obama from his Syria dilemma.

    The Zionists were pushing Obama to bomb Syria in 2013, but Putin/Lavrov stepped in and arranged the removal of Syrian chemical weapons. Drat! No invasion! Then began, as reprisal, the Russia-bashing, Putin-bashing campaign in the lead up to Sochi Olympics. It was gay rights and Pussy Riot, so the Ziocons could enlist leftist activists like Medea Benjamin to condemn Russia. And of course the media were used to criticize preparations at Sochi, but that propaganda only played successfully to the most obtuse.

    This demonizing and mocking set the stage for the Maidan coup. I have to give credit for this analysis to Ray McGovern and VFP (Veterans For Peace). But for myself, I will add that Russia has been a reliable ally of Iran, supplying their Bushehr nuclear plant, etc., and also of Syria, fulfilling weapons contracts, etc., so of course Israel will gladly antagonize and undermine them wherever possible.

  105. geokat62 says:
    @A Fred Reader

    … but how was it Zionist?

    You do remember Vicky Nuland (or Nudelman) don’t you? You know the lady who said F*ck the EU? Well she just so happens to be married to Robert Kagan, co-founder of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a Zionist think tank that pushed hard to get the US to invade Iraq.

    Here’s a quote I shared previously:

    There is a “little-old-lady-who-swallowed-the-fly” quality to neocon thinking. When one of their schemes goes bad, they simply move to a bigger, more dangerous scheme.

    If the Palestinians and Lebanon’s Hezbollah persist in annoying you and troubling Israel, you target their sponsors with “regime change” – in Iraq, Syria and Iran. If your “regime change” in Iraq goes badly, you escalate the subversion of Syria and the bankrupting of Iran. [See’s “The Mysterious Why of the Iraq War.”]

    Just when you think you’ve cornered President Barack Obama into a massive bombing campaign against Syria – with a possible follow-on war against Iran – Putin steps in to give Obama a peaceful path out, getting Syria to surrender its chemical weapons and Iran to agree to constraints on its nuclear program.

    So, this Obama-Putin collaboration has become your new threat. That means you take aim at Ukraine, knowing its sensitivity to Russia. [For details, see’s “What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis.”]

  106. Che Guava says:
    @Jonathan Revusky


    I am sorry to be so late in replying.

    It should be obvious. Turkey is known to have been equipping, buying oil from, and allowing free passage to any loon wanting to create mayhem in Syria for almost the last four years.

    The latest attacks in Turkey were specifically against pacific members and supporters of a political party that kept Sultana Erdogan from absolute power, by jihadis under the
    control and monitoring of the Sultana’s security organs.


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