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“Go to China!”, a woman in Denver, Colorado, shouts at two hospital workers standing in front of her car to prevent her from taking part in a protest against the coronavirus lockdown. Her cry is a sign that President Trump is having some success in demonising China: he says that that he has a “high degree of confidence” that the deadly virus emanated from a laboratory in Wuhan, though he cannot reveal the source of his information.

The level of Trump’s mendacity is far grosser than that used to sell the Iraq War by claiming that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Then too there were stories of secret laboratories developing biological weapons. Though Trump is purging US intelligence chiefs and replacing them with Trump loyalists, even they could not stomach his latest conspiracy theory. “The intelligence also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified,” said a statement from the office of the director of national intelligence, Richard Grenell.

The purpose of Trump’s lies is not to convince by rational argument but to dominate the news agenda by outrageous allegations. This simple PR trick has previously worked well for him, but scapegoating China may not be enough to divert attention away from the price Americans have paid for his calamitous mishandling of the pandemic. The casualty figures tell their own grim story: in China there have been 84,373 cases of the illness and 4,643 deaths while in the US there have been just over 1.1 million cases and 64,460 deaths. Trump loyalists will claim that the Chinese are lying, but then they must also explain away the lower loss of life in South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan.

The strategy is crude, but demonising China as “The Yellow Peril” might just work on election day. “Don’t defend Trump, other than the China Travel Ban – attack China,” says a 57-page memo sent out by the National Republican Senatorial Committee to Republican candidates, advising them on how to rebut criticism of the president’s actions. Joe Biden, the Democratic Party presidential candidate, is already being pilloried by the Republicans as “Beijing Biden”. In an epidemic, people are frightened and seek a scapegoat, foreigners at home and abroad being an obvious target. Probably only a hate-driven conspiracy theory can keep Trump in the White House when 30 million Americans are unemployed.

Many of those who used WMD to deliver a hot war against Iraq in 2003, are the same people who promote a cold war against China today. This approach requires an extraordinary degree of irresponsibility: Trump is launching his cold war against China just when a global medical and economic response is needed to counter a virus that has spread from Tajikistan to the upper Amazon and can only be suppressed or contained by international action.

It is surely disastrous historical bad luck that this unprecedented global threat is occurring just as independent nation states are re-emerging, in so far as they ever disappeared, as the essential players on the international stage at the expense of international institutions: the UN and EU were losing influence pre-epidemic and have been marginalised since in the last six months. Nation states are not only very much back in business, but they are increasingly run by far-right nativist populist leaders, of whom Trump is only one of the more crazed examples. Most of these are proving highly incompetent in dealing with the pandemic and none are likely to favour international cooperation.

The real problem here is the US: international organisations like the UN and agencies like the World Health Organisation only exerted real influence when backed by Washington. Often accused of being American puppets, they enjoyed a degree of autonomy and effectiveness because the US needed to outsource some of its power in order to maintain its global hegemony. Trump is abandoning this calculation.

The new cold war against China was already gathering momentum before the pandemic. Western political establishments have long been wobbling between opposing China as a rival superpower and cultivating it as an economic powerhouse whose explosive if debt-fuelled expansion helped drag the rest of the world out of the post-2008 recession.

The post-1945 Cold War was fought by the US and its allies against the Soviet Union until it collapsed in 1991; this coincided after the Islamic Revolution in 1979 with a cold war against Iran and Iraq which were alternately portrayed as the source of all evil. Trump is unlikely to demote Iran from its present demonic status but he is clearly intent on portraying China as equally evil. Many politically palatable reasons for this will be advanced in the coming months, but the real charge against China is one of effectiveness. It has shown itself more competent than other powerful states in dealing with two world crises: the 2008 financial crisis and the pandemic of 2019-20.

The decline of the US as a superpower is not total: it plays a hegemonic role in the world financial system. But its post-9/11 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan showed that, despite vast expenditure, its armed forces could not deliver victory and the pandemic is demonstrating that its equally expensive health system is appallingly unequal and inadequate.

Trump is a symptom as well as a cause of the polarisation of the US political system, more divided now than at any time since the Civil War ended in 1865. Yet the decline of the US is much greater than the rise of China, significant though that may be, and it is naive to imagine that Beijing will simply displace Washington at the top table.

ORDER IT NOW

In reality, nobody is going to replace the US, but there will be a rush of other countries moving to fill the vacuum left by its absence. Much of this would have happened anyway as US economic and political primacy eroded. But the process by which this is happening has been speeded up by two wild cards that nobody even knew were in the pack: the election of Trump as president in 2016 and the Covid-19 pandemic. The world is currently full of nation states, and not just China, who see threats and opportunities all around them. The result will be ever-increasing turmoil.

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  1. In China, hit without prior warning, there have been 84,373 cases and 4,643 deaths while in the USA with ample prior warning and a much smaller total population there have been just over 1.1 million cases and 64,460 deaths.

    Wow!!!

    • Replies: @Derer
    , @KA
    , @jsinton
  2. I’m inclined to think the “demonization” strategic, a Deep State project. If Trump games it politically, that’s probably a bonus; but, he’s a throwaway. They’d be equally happy to use Lunchbucket Joe.
    The pol class and its electoral game is a tertiary consideration at best. They clearly feel the need to bring China to heel.

    And sadly, it illumines the invincible credulity of Americans. Be it 9/11, WMD, Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide, or an hundred previous, their mindlessness is stunning.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @MrTea
  3. This article is thoroughly bassackward in two key respects. UN agencies only exerted real influence when backed by Washington? Washington only ever backed UN agencies that it could suborn and corrupt, and only to the extent that they were firmly under US control. Show me a UN agency with US support and I’ll show you a servile proprietary infested by CIA spies. Show me one that’s vilified by the US and I’ll show you a body that effectively carries out Article 100 clause 2.

    More importantly, the notion that puppet ruler Donald Trump drives unlawful great power confrontation is silly. This war is not subject to ignation, it’s already a wildfire. The SCO produced the factual proof when Crimea acceded to Russia:

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201812251070992489-lab-lugar-type-crimea/

    In universal jurisdiction law the US pretense that they think their research is defensive doesn’t matter. The facts establish aggression. And this fact – with Dilyana’s comprehensive indictment and documented NIAID funding of BWC-illegal development of COVID-19 at UNC – justifies proportional self-defense by Russia, China, Iran, and the infected world.

    The US CIA regime’s at war. They have to win it to save their SIS necks. Trump’s hanging on for dear life like an ectoparasite on a trader falling from the WTC.

    • Replies: @MrTea
  4. Creating, reinforcing and exploiting an enemy-oriented mentality in US public opinion is what the US political class and MS media as a whole have been doing at least since the early 20th century.

    President Trump is merely navigating those currents, something which is indispensable to any career in politics.

    Don’t mistake the symptom for the cause.

    • Agree: Sulu
  5. A123 says:

    China started their Cold War against the U.S. decades ago. Provocations include (but are not limited to):
    — Monopolizing mining of Rate Earth elements.
    — Exploiting the “developing country” loophole in the WTO.
    — Dumping of steel by State Owned Enterprises in a deliberate attempt to undermine a U.S. producers.
    — Theft of U.S. Intellectual Property.

    Protecting U.S. national security is necessary. That means:
    — Ending both direct and indirect dependency on China
    — Rebuilding U.S. industries weakened by decades of Chinese Cold War aggression.
    _____

    Paid Globalist shills can utter their mantra “Chinadidnotdoit” as much as they want, and it will not change the outcome. This is much bigger than the current headlines about Chinese incompetence, negligence, and/or malice inflicting WUHAN-19 virus on the world.

    PEACE 😷

    • Agree: jsinton, ivan
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @KA
  6. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    None of what you mentioned is possible unless you’ve opened your country to them. If Chinese are dumping steel, close off trade. If Chinese are stealing IP, stop letting them get educated or work here. I’m not sure moving your entire production line to China, handing off the blueprints down to the last detail, and watching knock-off Range Rovers roll off the line meets the standards of IP theft. What happened is that the holders of US capital wagered they could profit more by selling out their own people and whatever negative side effects resulted from this they would still come out ahead. They bet on the wrong demographics and now they have a dumb, unstable country and the people they are trying to sell this cold war to aren’t playing along because it’s been made abundantly clear they’re going to murder them for being White and the only official salvation they have is to die anonymously for jewish counting houses.

    • Agree: Sulu, Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  7. A123 says:

    None of what you mentioned is possible unless you’ve opened your country to them.

    What happened is that the holders of US capital wagered they could profit more by selling out their own people

    There is some truth to what you say.

    I would gladly strip Globalists (e.g. Mutt Romney and George IslamoSoros) of citizenship and send them to China. Alas, the U.S. Judicial system is contaminated by Globalists, so this is unlikely to happen.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. Anonymous[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    George Soros and you don’t differ in your opinions of China. You can reference Eric Striker’s work published on this very site.

  9. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    OMFG A123 IS RIGHT CHINA DID IT THEY DID THEY DID

    Wily Chinee Kent Tseng chipped in the human epithelial cell line for CIA’s frankenstein pathogen.

    Oh wait, Tseng is Taiwanese. Hmm, uh, he works at UT – where Bob Gates used to be president, and speechified effusively how there’s nothing for him in Washington, and a lot to look forward to at UT. Until researchers started dropping from Level-2 pathogens and Gates cheesed it to DoD. Months later, when the coast was clear, UT took CDC’s broadest suspension ever.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    • Replies: @A123
  10. Derer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Because Americans are fed pseudo-truth artificially created for them their domestic dishonest media. “China caused our incompetence and misery.”

  11. KA says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    More to come but this time from famine and poor sanitation while Republican ghetto will circulate only powerful meme it has “ China did it “

  12. A123 says:
    @anon

    Tseng is Taiwanese.

    There is a submissive, pro-PRC political party in Taiwan. After watching the PRC devastate Hong Kong’s economy, one would expect everyone in Taiwan to resist similar treatment. However, Elite SJW Globalist contamination is everywhere.

    PEACE 😷

  13. jsinton says:

    The China apologists have all played their hands, but the fact remains the CCP hid the virus danger from their own people and the world. Then when they put the country under lockdown, they allowed international flights to come and go unimpeded. They intentionally infected the world with the virus. It doesn’t matter where it came from or who is responsible. The CCP intentionally exposed the world and for this they need to pay.

  14. jsinton says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    It’s absurd to imagine a country the size of China would lock down their people and implode the economy for a mere 4,000 deaths from virus. China will normally have 150,000 to 300,000 ordinary flu deaths in a given year. The CCP fixed the virus data just like they always fix their economic data. In the economic analysis world, the official Chinese economic reports are hilarious. Even now, they claim their economy is almost 100% recovered, when all independent data indicates otherwise.

    • Agree: Mr. Grey, ivan
    • Replies: @Daemon
  15. Sean says:

    “The intelligence also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified,”

    It is the third novel coronavirus since 2002 and the second one from China.

    “The intelligence also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified,”

    Hardly any of the pathogens held in labs are. Meaning it could be a natural virus that they had in a lab.

    “The intelligence also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified,”

    The evidence I have seen suggests it was not from a lab. However I think negligence is evident as the wet markets are know to be novel coronavirus epidemic waiting to happen. Professor Ian Lipkin had been begging the Chinese to shut down their wet markets for well over a decade. The Chinese have reopened them and the WHO agreed with that decision. Trump should just ignore that weird insult?

    But its post-9/11 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan showed that, despite vast expenditure, its armed forces could not deliver victory

    No change there then: Korea and Vietnam were clear defeats.

    The US attitude towards China since Nixon was not adversarial, and this was appropriate because the USSR was America’s enemy and China was a counterweight to it. Since the fall of the USSR, building up China was became a Flying Dutchman policy that sailed on without a destination, or anyone considering what the geopolitical result would be

    The US is under no obligation whatsoever to continue to indulge a country signalling it can stand on its own two feet; does the influence in the World Health Organisation and World Bank that the Chinese have been wielding to such effect of late not show that?

    • Replies: @ivan
  16. antibeast says:

    “The Deep State is igniting a cold war with China to prevent Trump from winning the election.”

    There fixed it for you.

  17. KA says:
    @A123

    Did China pay for US medicines ,hogs, and soybean? Or Did China steal 1 million PEP through Kushner from America as ordered by Mossad procured by IDF ?

  18. BenKenobi says:
    @Anonymous

    “Ain’t no Chinaman ever called me a racist Nazi (except the ones in America).”

  19. Daemon says:
    @jsinton

    The Chinese – being mathematically inclined, are capable of recognizing the consequences of an exponentially increasing outbreak. The American – being fat inclined, does not.

    The recovery of the chinese economy is being hampered not because they are trying to hide a worsening outbreak (something that is impossible in the age of digital cameras and tiktok), but due to the fact that the chinese national character:
    a) spooks easily,
    b) is naturally hypochondriatic
    c) deeply suspicious of authority,

    and so more needs to be done to reassure them that things are ok.

  20. At this point I don’t think Trump could sell a Mar Lago condo at deep discount. The left hate him. MSM is pro China. Also consider how many of the posters here think China is the victim. Then you have Trump throwing away his original base in favor of the Amen lobby. Now they would be all in for a cold war against China as long as someone else’s kid will potentially be at physical risk. Despite how loud as they are, I don’t think they have the numbers.

    • Replies: @A123
  21. @jsinton

    All this “Make China pay!” nonsense must be great fun for the warmongering Neocons and those gullible enough to heed them. But what happens when the Chinese respond by nationalizing all those nice factories the U.S. built within their (non-open) borders?

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @antibeast
    , @eggplant
  22. A123 says:
    @Buck Ransom

    All this “Make China pay!” nonsense must be great fun for the warmongering Neocons

    This statement is internally inconsistent. One cannot collect compensation when there is shooting going on. Thus, these are opposite sides:

    — Populists who want to hold the CCP accountable for their actions & collect compensation.
    — Warmongering SJW Globalists, like Biden & Hillary.

    what happens when the Chinese respond by nationalizing all those nice factories the U.S. built within their (non-open) borders?

    Many of them rely on non-Chinese software, so they will suddenly become inoperable or self damage once nationalized. No one trusts the authoritarian Chinese government. Everyone has an anti-nationalization contingency plans built in.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  23. A123 says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    At this point I don’t think Trump could sell a Mar Lago condo at deep discount.

    Did you miss the giant Trump boat rally at Mar-a-Lago?

    PEACE 😷
    _______

  24. @A123

    There is no shooting going on. The Neocons will try to receive compensation by defaulting on the trillions of $$$$ in debt owed to the Chinese. Meanwhile, the State Dept and CIA will continue to depend on NGO-tier subversion to achieve their ends through color revolution tactics a la Joshua Wong and Friends in Hong Kong. Will the Chinese just passively accept all that? Unlikely.

    As for software issues with the nationalized factories, I imagine the millions of high-IQ Chinese STEM students educated in the US, or Chinese who have toiled in the fields of Silicon Valley, will make fast work of any such speedbumps.

    • Replies: @A123
  25. A123 says:
    @Buck Ransom

    From #21 — … great fun for the warmongering Neocons

    From #24 — There is no shooting going on. The Neocons will try to receive compensation

    You are very difficult to follow. You state that Neocons are simultaneously warmongers and not shooting (a.k.a. non-warmongers).

    Either way — The NeoConDemocrats are currently part of the SJW Globalist movement. The Neocons that formerly contaminated the GOP like Bill Kristol and John Bolton have been firmly kicked to the curb. The DNC is the overseas war party.

    Do you remember Samantha Power and her advocacy of Responsibility To Protect [R2P]? She is “The Woman Who Pushed Obama (and the DNC) to War” (1).

    depend on NGO-tier subversion to achieve their ends through color revolution tactic

    The DNC and SJW Globalist movement core values include ending democracies and replacing them with centralized authoritarian rule from the UN/NWO and its NGO subversives. Again, this is not the side that wants compensation from China.

    As for software issues with the nationalized factories, I imagine the millions of high-IQ Chinese STEM students educated in the US, or Chinese who have toiled in the fields of Silicon Valley, will make fast work of any such speedbumps.

    Those Chinese STEM students couldn’t protect Iranian centrifuges from Stuxnet. There is no reason to believe they will fair better this time around.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/03/31/the-woman-who-pushed-obama-to-war-samantha-power/

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  26. Meena says:

    China will not rescue or destroy USA. Before a real war breaks out or before a trade war really destroys the world trade , Israel will rope in China with promises of bankrupting USA by destroying the financial services or actually using the finances as weapon in exchange for the same deal as was made with US-UK some 80-90 years ago . Israel knows that 70 years is blip in the time horizon . Israel then will work its way up to take control of China . One of the things that Israel might demand in its early phase of engagement is access to Uighur muslims with plan to use the ethnic tribe against China for a future and possible 911 against China.

  27. @A123

    You are very difficult to follow. You state that Neocons are simultaneously warmongers and not shooting (a.k.a. non-warmongers).

    The Neocons are afficionados of various types of warfare, aren’t they, not just the conventional shooting kind. More and more they favor proxy wars as in Syria, and economic wars through starvation sanctions as in Iran and Venezuela, and promotion of internal conflict and subversion through color revolution tactics. But the end goal of the Neocons is always to promote global hegemony and to replace any governments that are not subservient to the wishes of the Empire. Republicans and Democrat politicians can both be used on an ad hoc basis to advance this agenda.

    And with this, I swear off any more troll-feeding for the day.

    • Replies: @A123
  28. Realist says:

    It is interesting that Tucker Carlson started his program, last night, by railing against news media that does not investigate issues, especially pertaining to Covid-19…he then launched into a hypocritical tirade against China using unnamed government sources and unseen government documents, as the source of Covid-19 malfeasance in reporting the disease, on China’s part. Carlson did this without one media investigation of the veracity of the US government reports.
    Carlson has turned into a hypocritical asshole.

    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
  29. A123 says:
    @Buck Ransom

    …goal of the Neocons is always to promote global hegemony and to replace any governments that are not subservient to the wishes of the Empire.

    You are correct that this is the goal of SJW Globalists (a.k.a. NeoConDemocrats).

    Republicans and Democrat politicians can both be used on an ad hoc basis to advance this agenda.

    This is mostly wrong.

    The GOP is transitioning away from Globalism to Populism. There are a few highly objectionable Globalists still contaminating the Populist movemt. Mitt Romney springs immediately to mind.

    However smearing the entire GOP with a bizarre outlier like Romney is a form of trolling.
    _____

    Please stop your obvious troll posting. You are only embarrassing yourself.

    PEACE 😷

    • LOL: Buck Ransom
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  30. @Realist

    Somebody got to Carlson. He’s now on board the Trump boat rally. He got the GOP talking points for the election.

  31. Realist says:

    Somebody got to Carlson. He’s now on board the Trump boat rally. He got the GOP talking points for the election.

    He has always been a right winger but he has now lost all objectivity.

  32. And just for fun, another little deep state special-op for your delectation:

    https://alethonews.com/2020/05/05/sitrep-venezuelan-bay-of-pigs-while-the-planet-is-under-lockdown/

    Isn’t it heart-warming to see American soldiers tied up shirtless on the ground, eating dirt, and duck-walked to their fate, instead of performing these magnificent insertion operations against overwhelming odds where the bad guys stand up to get shot, like they do on the dumbass TV shows?

  33. America and China are in a hegemonic struggle for global dominance: though neither wants the war that will require victory, or more likely – mutual destruction. It is about power: staying in power and scapegoating an adversary for that aim. And while Washington and Beijing have been moving towards conflict for some years, this pandemic could be the spark that lights the fuse burning towards world war three. As so frequently in history, war of total annihilation can be the consequence not the intention.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Agree: Realist
  34. @A123

    The GOP is transitioning away from Globalism to Populism.

    Please inform us all when this transition is complete. We’re tired of waiting breathlessly.

    There are a few highly objectionable Globalists still contaminating the Populist movemt. Mitt Romney springs immediately to mind.

    Yeah, well, Romney plus all of the Goldman-Sachs and Deep State people surrounding Trump himself–not to mention the Jared and Ivanka Show.

    But I know: it’s a brilliant game of 500-D chess that Trump is playing here–far too brilliant for our cramped little minds to comprehend!

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @A123
  35. Nation states are not only very much back in business, but they are increasingly run by far-right nativist populist leaders, of whom Trump is only one of the more crazed examples. Most of these are proving highly incompetent in dealing with the pandemic and none are likely to favour international cooperation.

    I can think of one “far-right nativist populist leader” who has proven to be highly competent in dealing this fake plague: Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus. He imposed no lockdown of any kind, and so far Belarus has only had 99 deaths:

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/05/sanity-belarus-with-just-99-dead-never-quarantined-prepares-for-victory-day-parade-may-9/

    The real problem here is the US: international organisations like the UN and agencies like the World Health Organisation only exerted real influence when backed by Washington.

    As long as organizations like the WHO are backed (owned) by globalists like Bill Gates, I hope they exert no influence at all.

  36. Realist says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    But I know: it’s a brilliant game of 500-D chess that Trump is playing here–far too brilliant for our cramped little minds to comprehend!

    Trump doesn’t have the mental facility to comport himself well in a game of checkers. Trump is a member/minion of the Deep State.

  37. A123 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    We’re tired of waiting breathlessly

    If breathless, remember these easy steps:

    STEP #1: Breathe in
    STEP #2: Breathe out
    STEP #3: Breathe in
    STEP #4: Breathe out

    For added points try to keep your mouth closed…. But I do not want to burden you too much.

    Trump is playing here–far too brilliant for our cramped little minds to comprehend!

    This one is easy, kind of like Ludo. Which is apparently is too much for your extremely cramped & very tiny mind.

    Remember to keep breathing:

    STEP #5: Breathe in
    STEP #6: Breathe out

    Keep repeating and eventually you will get the hang of it.

    PEACE 😷

  38. antibeast says:
    @Buck Ransom

    All this “Make China pay!” nonsense must be great fun for the warmongering Neocons and those gullible enough to heed them. But what happens when the Chinese respond by nationalizing all those nice factories the U.S. built within their (non-open) borders?

    There is no need for China to nationalize all those factories because most of them are owned by joint-ventures (JVs) between China and those US MNCs while the rest are owned by US companies. China only needs to buy out their US partners to take 100% ownership of those JVs while the rest can sell their depreciated assets at discounted prices. Either way, US MNCs would take a hit to their balance sheets in two ways: 1). revenue losses and 2). asset depreciation. Also, remember that their enterprise value is based not so much on their physical assets but on their market share which would also take a hit from leaving China.

    Be very careful what they wish for. And once they leave China, they’re out of China … forever.

    • Replies: @ivan
  39. eggplant says:

    Whether it was “not man-made or genetically modified” is just a leftist irrelevance.
    Pottery Barn rules – you break it you pay for it.
    The Chinese are 100% responsible, either through their sloppy lab practices or through their repulsive eating habits, so it’s on them and they should be picking up everyone’s tab for it.

    • Agree: ivan
  40. eggplant says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Let them. You’ll just have to keep your old Rampant Rabbit till they start making them in America.

  41. ivan says:
    @Sean

    Negligence that is no different from sheer carelessness in a level-4 lab is not something that can be condoned. Why have a level-4 lab (and build another one in Yunnan) if the Chicoms cannot ensure that protocols are strictly followed. The blather that the Chicom apologists come out with is besides the point. They imposed WWII style blockade on Wuhan and Hubei province generally because they themselves feared a leak or multiple leaks as jsinton points out above. Yet they allowed hundreds of thousands to go around the world bringing various strains of virii with them. Now of course no one is accusing the Chinese of deliberately infecting the world. But the pattern of tourist travel from the infected area would account for the massive number of deaths in tourism hot spots such as Italy, Spain, the UK and NY.

  42. ivan says:
    @antibeast

    Dearly to be wished.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  43. antibeast says:
    @ivan

    Nothing to be wished at all as foreign MNCs come and go all the time.

    Nike and Adidas used to produce 90% of their shoes in China but they’ve since moved most of their shoe production to Vietnam and Indonesia as land and labor costs went up. Motorola used to be the number one mobile phone brand in China until they went out of business while Samsung used to be the top smartphone brand in China but have since left for other countries due to competition from domestic brands. If Apple were to abandon the Chinese market, Chinese brands would take their market share.

    US MNCs are just some of the many foreign MNCs doing business in China. Nothing special about them as they are free to come and go as they please.

  44. Adûnâi says:

    > “The level of Trump’s mendacity is far grosser than that used to sell the Iraq War by claiming that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD).”

    • Replies: @MrTea
  45. @jsinton

    the fact remains the CCP hid the virus danger from their own people

    You could say the same of Trump!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-trump-coronavirus-idUSKBN1ZL13C

  46. MrTea says:
    @Doubleplus Trumpgoldstein

    The UN can’t muster 1/10th of a testicle over concentration camps for Muslims in China. But then you can surf for news and see that the other “Muslim” nations seem to be OK with it. Note the language in this wimp assessment: “alleged”, “if”.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1LF1D6

    Nothing about the mass executions and organ harvesting? (This has been documented in multiple books by Ethan Guttman though his latest “Slaughter” has not been allowed on C-Span’s BookTV.)

    As for the BioWar, nothing would surprise me as I’ve followed the tangled web from the MK-ULTRA era, the stories told by the ex-pat USSR scientists, the Anthrax cover-up, etc. I’m not sure “the government” is entirely in charge of anything. Having sorted through the hailstorm of disinfo surrounding this Covid scheme, I conclude nothing other than it is extremely unlikely that what is being promoted for public consumption is anything but BS. Whoever did it would be expected to implement it with tracks-covering pre-arranged.

    So, whodunnit? Have any idea beyond some faceless conspiracy? Are those UNC scientists also puppets? Members of a secret cult? I know the media is a hopeless joke as none other than Carl Bernstein verifies on his own website (Operation Mockingbird). But the mediot puppets don’t actually “do” anything, they just front the deal. Whoizzit? Would all this be going on if Malificent had won the last election?

  47. MrTea says:
    @Adûnâi

    Thanks that’s a good find. Most of this is long down the Media Memory Hole run by Epstein’s Party Pals.

    No one should forget a couple other things:

    1. Everything would have been different if Israel had NOT bombed the reactor they destroyed in 1981. (Which George HW Bush expressed indignation over).
    2. If HW Bush had taken Hussein out in the first place–he was ready to go by many accounts of US military on the scene–none of this would have happened. Instead HW Bush stood back AFTER wondering aloud “what if the Iraqi people could rise up” and permitted the mass murder after the Shia rebellion, with massive US military assets sitting right in place that could have stopped it in about 1/2 hour.

    If only Harry Truman could have stripped Prescott Bush of all his assets under the “Trading with the Enemy Act”. Another thing we can thank the Dulles Brothers for I think.

  48. MrTea says:
    @robert scheetz

    Trump is only president because the Republican voters told the Bushes and their hangers-on to go F themselves. You can see the consequences almost any day on the non-Fox corporates with spewing weasels like Rick Wilson fulminating their venom. David “Axis of Evil” Frum gets book deals? Is Thomas Friedman going to get another prize? (NY Times just got one for the utter BS about TrumpRussia). Did you see the 150 neocons who signed the letter saying “we’re for Hilary”? Now somebody coughed up some money so Putz Kristol can pretend he’s got a job (“TheBulwark”)

    Tens of millions of people recognize what a fraud the corporate news scheme is. Most people I know who watch Fox recognize what a limited view is permitted there, though there are Elements that slip through now and then; for instance the important book “China Rx” which was on C-Span shortly after publication but entirely shut out of all corporate news sites and publications for 2 years until the NY Times was forced to address the “supply chain” issue in March 2020. It had previously gotten a couple mentions on Fox after being featured on Sharyl Attkisson’s Sinclair syndicated “Full Measure”.

    I think if Clinton had won none of this with China would be happening even if the virus blew. The left wing loves China, it’s their role model of what they want to do to the US. The Tech Titans have helped the regime every step of the way. Show me a single demonstration on a US campus about the Muslim Uighurs in camps (there were none after Tienenmen either).

  49. MrTea says:

    “Many of those who used WMD to deliver a hot war against Iraq in 2003, are the same people who promote a cold war against China today.”

    ? Team NeoCon is the same bunch of corporatists who sold “free trade” with China in the first place. They’re still straining to make excuses for the world’s biggest and fastest-growing polluter. The media friendlies’ constructed reality is ruthlessly edited to remove all inconvenient facts, like this one:

    https://today.tamu.edu/2014/01/21/asian-air-pollution-affecting-worlds-weather

    published 6 years ago and completely ignored. NatGeo picked it up but was not on the “news”.

    So China is to be admired for it’s “effectiveness”? The author should try being a journalist there. Incredible, I used to hear the same drivel singing the praises of “free” health care in the USSR.

    And comparing an enormous diverse country with isolated small nations–in Asia–is silly. Though it does appear to be the case that Asians in the US have the lowest Corona death incidence and death rates; unsurprisingly this mirrors the diabetes and obesity rates that underlie the disparate impacts upon different groups in the US now being labeled as “racist”. Look it up; there is even a US HHS office of “Minority Health”.

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