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Future historians may well pick 2019 as a decisive year in the decline of the US and UK as world powers. Of course, the UK started at a much lower level in the international pecking order than the US, but the direction of travel in both cases is the same.

This geopolitical shift comes exactly a century after the Treaty of Versailles, in 1919, when the US and UK were at the peak of their power in determining the fate of nations after the First World War. They self-confidently redrew the map of eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa according to their own interests and with minimal concern about the effect on others.

Like most political retreats, the present one by the US and UK is masked by patriotic bombast about “Making America Great Again” or launching a post-Brexit “Global Britain”.

In the case of the US, the retreat from hegemony was made manifest this year when Iran carried out a devastating drone and missile attack on Saudi oil facilities in September. Though a blatant act of war against an important US ally, Donald Trump, the US president, swiftly decided that it was not in America’s interests to retaliate. He may be putting maximum economic pressure on Iran, but he made clear he is not going to fight a war against them.

In October, it was the turn of the Syrian Kurds to become the next victims of the new American realpolitik when Trump greenlighted a Turkish invasion of northern Syria. Despite having fought heroically and lost 10,000 dead as the US on-the-ground ally in the fight against Isis, the Kurds suffered immediate and predictable ethnic cleansing by Turkey.

The fate of the Saudis and Kurds carried a message about future American actions in the world that was ignored by a largely Trump-bashing media. Dismissing Trump’s foreign policy as crazy and self-serving, establishment critics seldom take on board that, in its crude way, the president’s actions do reflect a changed world order in which the US has lost its old supremacy.

Brutal, shambolic, even treacherous, Trump’s foreign ventures may be, but they often have a core of realism, whether he is dealing with South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Ukraine. The so-called “grown-ups”, usually military or diplomatic Washington bureaucrats who are protecting their fiefdoms and detest Trump, are often proposing alternative actions in the Middle East or Ukraine that carry a high risk of starting wars that Trump does not want to fight or the US cannot easily win.

None of the Nato leaders gathered in their hotel in Watford this week seemed to have taken on board the lessons of the failed US-led military in the Middle East since Bill Clinton intervened so disastrously in Somalia in 1993 – a war that is still going on.

Trump, likewise, may not know much about the half-dozen militarily conflicts currently raging in the Middle East and North Africa (Mena), but he does see that they are “messy” and “endless” and that America would be well advised to stay out of them.

Significantly, Barack Obama also recognised the ebbing of America’s global hegemony and tried to stall – not always successfully – the enthusiasm for military action inside and outside his administration in Washington. Coming from different directions, both Obama and Trump recognised that the era when the US was the sole superpower that could always expect to get its way is now over.

Trump might easily have gone to war with Iran after a series of Iranian attacks in the Gulf over the course of the summer, culminating in the drone and missile assault on the Saudi oil industry. Sensibly, he decided not to retaliate, demonstrating the new limits on America’s willingness and ability to defend its allies.

The US has lost power, but then it has a lot more to lose than Britain, which saw a much steeper decline in its potential influence in the world in 2019. This had everything to do with impending Brexit as it became clear over the course of the year that the country would indeed be leaving the EU.

It is usually argued that, given the length and complexity of the transition period, Britain will not be really leaving the EU for some time. But the formal act of leaving will have immense impact and immediately diminish British influence in the world.

This is partly because the rest of the world sees Brexit as an act of self-destructive folly, given that 45 per cent of British exports went to EU countries in 2018, compared to only 18 per cent to the US. Suddenly, the country will be without real allies for the first time for over 200 years – historians say the last such moment was during some particularly dire moment during the Napoleonic wars.

Brexit supporters who enthuse about “global Britain” have been wilfully blind to the real balance of power between Britain and the EU as revealed by the withdrawal agreement. It should be obvious that British negotiators failed to get the terms they wanted because their EU counterparts in Brussels held all the high cards.

None of this is going to change: there is something ludicrous about Boris Johnson trumpeting his triumph in reopening the withdrawal agreement when he was only able to do so by accepting the EU’s original proposal of a customs border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK and deserting his DUP allies.

At the beginning of 2019, it looked possible that the whole Brexit project might falter or be carried through in a neutered form, but as next week’s general election approaches it looks increasingly inevitable. Britain will be mired in a Brexit crisis of one sort or another for the foreseeable future, trying to establish a new relationship with the EU and the US, both of whom are more powerful and capable of getting their way than the UK.

ORDER IT NOW

The general election will be the point of no return for Britain in the current phase of its decline. Could it be saved from self-willed and self-destructive isolation by a stronger alliance with Trump’s America? Anybody looking for an American rescue should understand that, for different reasons than Britain, the US is also in decline – and remember what just happened to the Saudis and Syrian Kurds.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    Good riddance to US hegemony and empire. I say that as a patriotic American who wants my country to be a free, independent, prosperous democracy.
    Cockburn hates democracy because he hates the majority population. He loves an empire where political and cultural elites run the show.
    Good riddance to his kind.

  2. Hibernian says:

    Britain’s reign as a superpower ended in 1945. Isn’t this universally known?

  3. plantman says:

    Another deceptive column by Cockburn. …

    Cockburn knows that Boris Johnson’s deal with Brussels is just a tweaking of Theresa May’s sellout agreement that was rejected earlier in Parliament. The only reason Boris will win the election is because Brexit author, Nigel Farage, caved in and agreed to support Johnson out of fear that Jeremy Corbyn (the demonized leftist) would be elected. So, instead of standing on principle and refusing to back the Tories, Farage sold out his loyal followers and joined the conservatives.

    Now there is no political party that really supports a clean break Brexit.
    The people have been monkeyhammered by the political class once again.

    Farage has lost all credibility while Johnson got everything he wanted: A Brexit deal that prevents Brexit and a resurrection of the dismal conservative party.

    Bravo Boris, you freaking traitor-swine.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  4. APilgrim says:

    The USA can quickly ‘lay-waste’ to any nation 0r continent.

    The USA can quickly collapse any rival economy.

    The USA can defend Earth from a rogue asteroid strike.

    The United Kingdom … not so much.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
  5. Malla says:

    Britain’s Reign as a World Superpower Was Over when it decided to become an enemy of the Third Reich.

    • LOL: M_Young
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  6. Anonymous[687] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    As a German I find this particularly funny. Roosevelt played the drunken bum Churchill like a fiddle to sacrifice his Empire on the battlefield and I think very consciously knew that world hegemony would go the USA as the most powerful European nations – Germany, France, Russia and the UK – were destroying each other. Now that same Britain is seeking its only ally in this very USA…to effectively become its client state. Colonized by its own colonial creation, for the second time: earlier in their neighborhoods, especially of the poor, by Pakistanis and their grooming gangs; now world politically by The United States. Never mind another particular group with a liking of small hats.

    Tragic, ironic and comical at the same time.

    • Agree: Malla
  7. @Anonymous

    Agree 100%.

    For some reason i am getting ‘word press error’ every time i try to comment?

  8. Thomm says:
    @Hibernian

    Britain’s reign as a superpower ended in 1945. Isn’t this universally known?

    You are being generous. Many would say it ended in 1917.

    Britain’s GDP is about one seventh of America’s.

    C0ckburn probably forms his opinions by watching James Bond films, where one has to assume that Britain is a superpower for the plot to be credible.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  9. Donald Trump, the US president, swiftly decided that it was not in America’s interests to retaliate. He may be putting maximum economic pressure on Iran, but he made clear he is not going to fight a war against them.

    That’s why he is being impeached. The Deep State wants war. The Empire is in steep decline. It will breath its last when the dollar goes to zero or when the Deep State gets it’s war. Which will result in a decisive defeat of the American military if not the obliteration of the U.S. in a nuclear war.

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
  10. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    Britain’s Reign as a World Superpower is over at least since the Suez War.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  11. @Hibernian

    Britain’s reign as a superpower is over but it is well along the path to becoming a global capital of Pakistani child-rape gangs. So there’s that.

  12. 1919 ended the global conflict begun by ebbing powers. A hundred years on the cycle appears unstoppable and certain to end in world war three – nuclear Armageddon.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  13. bob sykes says:

    Cockburn must live in a dungeon somewhere, with no access to the outside world.

    The reality is that the US is ramping up its military forces in the Middle East, especially in Syria. The lightly armed SOCOM’s who used to drive around the Syrian desert with the Kurds have been replaced by a mechanized infantry battalion that has seized the Syrian oil fields.

    The generals in the Pentagon have told Trump to sit down, shut up, and do what he’s told. And that’s what is happening. The Praetorian Guard has had enough nonsense from the likes of Trump and his supporters, and they are now publicly exerting their control rather than hiding behind the flimsy curtain of the Constitution.

    • Replies: @barr
    , @Udeda
  14. “In the case of the US, the retreat from hegemony was made manifest this year when Iran carried out a devastating drone and missile attack on Saudi oil facilities in September. Though a blatant act of war against an important US ally, Donald Trump, the US president, swiftly decided that it was not in America’s interests to retaliate. He may be putting maximum economic pressure on Iran, but he made clear he is not going to fight a war against them.”

    I will see your suggestion and note that the end for Great Britain’s decline was revealed in the first WW and then wholly manifest in the second. In fact, even Lord of the Admiralty knew that Britain’s empire was fragile by way of over extension. In the case of a global conflict Great Britain simply was spread too thin and failed to modernize her military. Her largest failure was in treating her colonial partners as shareholders as opposed to convenient tool of exploitation. Undermined by her assumptions about superior status with respect to race, she underestimated her potential enemies and her potential friends in her colonial holdings.

    WWII left her fully exposed and vulnerable in nearly every corner of the globe. If not for the aide of the US the contraction would have been fare more substantial.

    Actually, pulling up her pants, and reforging her identity is not a symbol of decline, but instead re-energized good sense. Furthermore, Great Britain is still a super power that can exert her will if need be. Her reach may not be as formidable, but its a mistake to consider her second rate.

    laugh if history is any marker of her fate — then she is going to be just fine. You don’t survive for nearly 1600 years without some international prowess.

    God save the Queen.

    _____________________________________________________

    Get a grip, the drones were in violation of Iranian Air space. There’s no evidence that the strike against Saudi Arabia was from Iran ant less than it was from Yemen.

    I can say this for certain, that it has been the careless application of US military power in needless efforts which has exposed her soft underbelly. And your article resembles the kind of exposure by needless use of force as is hallmark of the Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and even Syria and the Ukraine.

  15. If Iran is bold, it is most likely in direct response to our failures in Afghanistan, Libya, and Iraq, the Ukraine, Syria and elsewhere.

    Power projection is two fold:

    1. actual competence in the use of power

    2. perceived competence and effectiveness in the use of power.

    What has emboldened US adversaries and competitors are the failures by the use of power projection on both levels.

    But it would be utter folly to see these errors and anything more than sign posts of what could be catastrophic as opposed to a long term some manner of terminal illness. The US can at will project massive force anywhere on the planet and do so in less than 24 -48 hours to devastating effect.

    The real issue is her ability and or willingness to sustain it and if we should learn nothing from the colonial experience — we had better get the costs/liabilities of over extension.

  16. “The generals in the Pentagon have told Trump to sit down, shut up, and do what he’s told. And that’s what is happening. The Praetorian Guard has had enough nonsense from the likes of Trump and his supporters, and they are now publicly exerting their control rather than hiding behind the flimsy curtain of the Constitution.”

    I am huge fan of the military and the CIA, however, I am a bigger fan of the Constitution. And while Seven Days in May was an intriguing film. As real force, It would be a harbinger of of catastrophic failure and in my view a sign of a definite terminal illness.

    first, it is not nonsense to reconsider the realities of a changed geopolitical environment and that cold war era is simply gone. It may morph into something else as Russia reassrts herself as a developing democracy and economic power — but those old sinews are not coming back as the old order.

    Russia was never going to staying the closet and China has no intention of going back into one.

    The number of independent nations now on the world stage has increased by nearly 100. india, Pakistan, and the entire continent of Africa with it natural wealth in her hands are going to shift matters further.

    Second, the notion that we can simply beat nations into submission is in my unsustainable. And I think the generals know that, but I would not be the least bit surprised that with the general staff there is a serious debate about what our responses ought to be to the shifting geopolitcal environment.

  17. @Hibernian

    Don’t be ignorant like your fellow deluded Paddy with his Brexit fetish. In the words of Bubba, ‘It’s the economy stupid”.

    Prior to 1914 Britain had already been eclipsed by a unified and rapidly industrializing Germany, hence WWI through collusion with the French.

    The superpower mantle actually passed to Britain and France’s chief creditor in 1918 thanks to sheer size, a huge internal market and massive resources.

  18. Matra says:

    Suez in 1956 is the most symbolic moment in terms of Britain’s decline. Ultimately though, the fight against German imperialism destroyed Britain (and France) as a world power. Today’s Germany uses different methods of lording it over Europe. If the Americans leave we will eventually see the formation of a new alliance against Germany.

  19. @Hibernian

    Not quite. 1956 was the definite end. Eisenhower just said No! and Eden did what he was told. Since then our top security chiefs have talked about work in faint American accents. (I did too once).

    I heard a lecture by Lord Kerr, Britain’s former ambassador to the US and the lawyer who drafted Article 50 for the EU. He said that the UK’s festival diplomatic influence was as the bridge between the US and the EU. Once it was thrown away even British support for US wars of choice would mean nothing given our inherent weakness.

    Johnson is going to be elected by fat bellied former football hooligans who think the NHS will remain untouched and their pensions will stay as they are (thanks to the Lib Dems). Good save us! The Queen doesn’t need saving.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @eah
  20. bro3886 says:

    So-o-o-o, the way to ensure Britain’s continued influence is by turning over their governance to Brussels and their land to foreigners? Both countries are in steep decline because of the sort of cultural beliefs people like Cockburn hold dear. Third-world population = third-world country. “I hold in my hand the actual hatchet used by George Washington to chop down the cherry tree. The handle rotted 3 or 4 times and I had to replace it, and the head rusted away a couple of times and I had to replace that , too. But it occupies the same space! (And has the same influence!)” Leaving the EU is the least of Britain’s problems.

    Support for the EU is rooted in a hatred of your fellow citizens on a class basis and increasingly on a race basis as well. Anti-Brexiteers REALLY hate the fact that small town and working class people can vote, and their votes count just as much as the votes they themselves cast, and that the unwashed don’t always do what their betters want them to do. It’s a rejection of democracy from the self-appointed anointed ones, driven by a class bigotry so vicious that it has degenerated into a genocidal hatred of their own people. There’s also a strong dose of anti-Americanism in the anti-Brex stance. They fantasize about an EU that is a superpower counter-balance to the hated Americans. But the EU will never be a super-power because they won’t fight, and everybody knows it. The Danegeld just won’t cut it. The EU or Macron could have sent a regiment to replace the thousand soldiers pulled out of Syria. They declined. Plus they’re headed for the same sort of demographic meltdown that the U.S. is experiencing. Muslims and Africans are expensive hobbies, won’t be much money left over for influence buying.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Philip Owen
  21. Crazy Horse [AKA "Gall"] says:

    Britain has always been playing this Anglo-American alliance since the end of the American “Revolution”AKA War for “Independence”. They managed to get the Federal Reserve Act passed which turned total control of America’s finances over to the City of London.

  22. Mr. Grey says:

    I would say that not getting dragged into more pointless wars is a signal that America is doing better, not that it is in decline.

  23. In the case of the US, the retreat from hegemony was made manifest this year when Iran carried out a devastating drone and missile attack on Saudi oil facilities in September.

    Where is the evidence to support this allegation?

    Italicized/bold text was excerpted from reuters.com a report titled:

    UK condemns Houthi drone attack on Saudi oil facilities

    Britain condemned a drone attack on Saudi Arabian oil facilities on Saturday, and said that Yemen’s Houthi rebel group should stop targeting Saudi civilian and commercial infrastructure.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-fire-britain/uk-condemns-houthi-drone-attack-on-saudi-oil-facilities-idUSKBN1VZ0FS

  24. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @bro3886

    Support for the EU is rooted in a hatred of your fellow citizens on a class basis and increasingly on a race basis as well.

    Maybe, but it’s not like Brexiteers are much different in their professed values:

  25. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Brexit seems to be based on the delusion that America is going to let Britain team up with them and through them Britain will be a superpower again.

    I don’t think most British people fully appreciate just how much Americans generally dislike Britain. The “special relationship” is a British delusion, in reality Americans seldom have much good to say about the British when they mention this country at all.

    A lot of British people think America will be enthusiastic about trading with and supporting Britain as a “brother nation”, but in reality that is not how most Americans see Britain at all. Americans more often than not take offense at the notion that America has anything in common with Britain.

    I think Brexit supporters are making a big mistake thinking their future is in attempting to team up with America. Europeans like the British and are more positive in their opinions on this country than most Americans are. I think British people often underestimate just how European they are, they wrongly believe they have more in common with the Americans but they don’t. The Americans are something very different altogether.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @cyrusthevirus
  26. Anonymous[772] • Disclaimer says:

    Britain’s reign as a world superpower has been over since the end of WW2. The British have been very slow to realise they’re no longer a superpower and frankly in denial about it. Despite not being a superpower after WW2, Britain has continued to masquerade as one as much as possible.

    Brexit is not the cause of Britain losing superpower status, it is a very delayed reaction to losing superpower status. I think a lot of the reason British people have been so accepting of mass immigration since the end of WW2 is because most British people are still stuck in this superpower/empire mindset and therefore see mass immigration from the colonies as a part of that.

  27. “Britain’s Reign as a World Superpower Is Over – Thanks to Brexit”

    Amazing how Brexit can travel back in time to the early 1940s!

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: iffen, Lurker
  28. @APilgrim

    LOL. Not sure about the asteroid strike; that has never been done and would take a lot of luck. Collapsing economies – most but not all. Agree about laying waste via nukes, obviously.

  29. @Anonymous

    I’d say Churchill was a man with dual loyalties, to US as well as UK, and didn’t really distinguish their interests. He was happy to see the USA replace us as World Hegemon, seeing it as a cousin nation. Which at the time it was, to a large extent. At any rate the then US ruling class was closely related to the UK ruling class.

    I think Suez is when we realised it was over. In reality it was over at least since the fall of Singapore. There was a 50-year process ca 1890-1940. We had been economically overtaken by around 1890, then bled white by the First World War. By 1918 we were a hollow power. We had neither the strength nor the self belief, and by the 1920s were committed to the independence from us of our own empire.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  30. @Malla

    It’s true that Britain went to war to prevent a single country dominating Europe. The country happened to be Germany – in earlier centuries Britain had done the same against France and before that Spain.

    Now Germany, even with its current government and demographics, dominates Europe. WW2 can in Churchill’s terms be considered a failed endeavour. And when you ask the surviving veterans to say whether the WW2 sacrifices were worth it, given the state of the UK today, they’ll say ‘no’.

    Sarah harks back to the days when ‘people kept the laws and were polite and courteous. We didn’t have much money, but we were contented and happy.

    ‘People whistled and sang. There was still the United Kingdom, our country, which we had fought for, our freedom, democracy. But where is it now?!’

    Sarah Robinson, who joined the Royal Navy when she was 18, says the Britain she once knew no longer exists.

    The feelings of Sarah and others from this most selfless generation about the modern world have been recorded by a Tyneside writer, 33-year-old Nicholas Pringle.

    Curious about his grandmother’s generation and what they did in the war, he decided three years ago to send letters to local newspapers across the country asking for those who lived through the war to write to him with their experiences.

    He rounded off his request with this question: ‘Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?’

    What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves.

    http://www.theunknownwarriors.co.uk/

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Malla
  31. Pericles says:
    @anon

    Britain’s Reign as a World Superpower is over at least since the Suez War.

    Perhaps we might at this point call it a courtesy appointment.

  32. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t think most British people fully appreciate just how much Americans generally dislike Britain. The “special relationship” is a British delusion, in reality Americans seldom have much good to say about the British when they mention this country at all.

    Yeah, you have to be pretty blind not to see the real special relationship.

  33. Britain’s reign as a superpower ended when the Wehrmacht cornered her defeated invasion army on the beach at Dunkirk. The tide had already turned against Britain in 1919. By then she owed the U.S. billions in the war loans that saved her from her first defeat by Germany; henceforth her imperial policies would be subject to approval by those who controlled her purse strings.

    FDR enabled Churchill’s insane bloodlust fully aware that luring the tottering empire into a second unwinnable European ground war would be Britain’s downfall, clearing the way for the U.S. to replace her as the new global superpower, just as a faction of the Founding Fathers had dreamed so long before. The motto on the Great Seal of the United States, adopted by Congress in 1782, “Novus Ordo Seclorum” quotes the once-famous line 5 of Book IV of the Roman poet Virgil’s Eclogues, where it is the prophecy of the Cumaean Sybil that Rome was destined to rule the world.

    The once fearsome British bulldog is now Uncle Sam’s obedient lap dog, fiercely worrying at the ankles of his master’s weakest foes, while he dreams of the white man’s burden he once so proudly carried in his bloodstained jaws. Perhaps it is a fitting payback that what was once the imperial capital city of London is well on its way to becoming Detroit or Newark.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  34. @YetAnotherAnon

    For sure, things were better in the old days. Those who experienced war voted 2:1 for Europe though. In 1975 the UK knew something had to change.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  35. I voted for a free trade bloc in 1975, not a United States Of Europe.

    “things were better in the old days”

    Since May 1997, real median male wages have slightly declined in the UK.

    But real house prices have risen 250%.

    And real UK GDP is up 50%, so who’s getting richer?

    Don’t get me started on personal debt and student loans.

    Final salary pensions have almost vanished.

    We’re seeing the impoverishment of a generation – maybe two generations.

    I never thought I would think of the Thatcher years as good for working people, but compared with today they were a paradise.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  36. Eighthman says:

    Britain is toast, agreed. The US is not – until somebody comes up with a complete alternative to the dollar and the US banking system.

    I’m very disappointed to observe plenty of sound and fury about cryptocurrency, gold use in trade, barter, the yuan, currency baskets, currency swaps and so on. And still, the dollar marches on, in heavy demand.

    The US dollar is global hegemony on the cheap, it is world dominance for a lazy American empire. Until someone displaces it, at least in trade, I don’t see how US power ends.

  37. eah says:
    @Philip Owen

    Not quite. 1956 was the definite end. Eisenhower just said No! and Eden did what he was told.

    “U.S. president Dwight D. Eisenhower had strongly warned Britain not to invade; he threatened serious damage to the British financial system by selling the US government’s pound sterling bonds.”

    And what if, during the current trade dispute, China threatened to do the same with the US debt it holds? — aside from the (extremely valuable) status of the USD as the “world’s reserve currency”, the financial position of the US today is quite different from what it was in 1956.

  38. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Hibernian

    Britain’s reign as a superpower ended in 1945. Isn’t this universally known?

    It’s known everywhere except Britain. The pathetic delusion that Britain is still a Major Player on the world stage is still extremely common in Britain. Most Britons cannot and will not accept that they are merely an American puppet state, and almost universally despised for it.

    Just as an amazing number of Britons cannot and will not accept that Brexit will make them even more of a grovelling US puppet state.

    It’s hardly surprising. Britain is a miserable country with very little going for it. So they cling tenaciously to their illusions.

  39. @Philip Owen

    Sorry, my comment below yours was meant to be a reply. Despite a real 50% GDP increase, the median working Brit has been getting poorer over the last 20 years – much poorer when housing costs are factored in.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  40. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Did no one else laugh on reading the title of this piece?

    when i saw who wrote it I wasn’t surprised

  41. @YetAnotherAnon

    And what does this have to do with the EU?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  42. @YetAnotherAnon

    But that has nothing to do with the EU. Indeed, if we had joined the Euro at the rate available at the time (low-good for manufacturing, bad for finance and overseas investment) we would have 1m more engineers paid £50k a year living North of Cambridge and West of Oxford, instead of 100,000 bankers on £0.5m a year including bonuses taxes as capital gains.

  43. @Observator

    No. The BEF at Dunkirk was not a reflection of the British potential. It was the result of two decades of pacifism. It already had the best tank of the period and the best small arm of the war but too few and the generals had no idea of how to use the ranks. The logistical chain was already fully mechanized but too small and under exercised. Hence the Bren guns had no ammunition. The spitfire, radar, the RAF Command and Control system, code breaking, the Sten gun (the AK-47 of WW2), the Lancaster bomber, the Comet tank, the Meteor jet and the Tube Alloys project (eventually the Hiroshima bomb) were still to come. The blockade of Germany was effective from day one.

  44. A123 says:
    @Philip Owen

    And what does this have to do with the EU?

    From the title of the piece, Brexit is all about the EU.

    And, there can be no doubt that all UK citizens will gain massively from departing the failure that is the EU. The unelected elites of the EU Commission exist to serve their sharia paymasters and make Europe more Muslim, to the detriment of all Infidels (Christians & Jews).

    While Boris is a huge improvement over May… That is not massive praise. Ultimately, the UK needs a leader that will feel deliver a real Brexit, not EU-lite. When the EU collapses it will not be pretty, and the UK does not want to be sucked down with Mullah Merkel’s German Caliphate.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  45. @Philip Owen

    “we would have 1m more engineers paid £50k a year living North of Cambridge and West of Oxford, instead of 100,000 bankers on £0.5m a year including bonuses taxes as capital gains”

    Sterling’s been pretty low since 2008, where are all those engineers?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Philip Owen
  46. ricpic says:

    World superpower? No. But as the Mother Country of the Anglosphere Britain is of more consequence than say France on the world stage.

  47. @Philip Owen

    I’d love more engineers and fewer bankers btw, not sure how the EU helps.

    I don’t know if you read Steve’s ancient piece about nerds that he linked to a few days ago

    https://web.archive.org/web/20010204014000/http://isteve.com/nerds.htm

    “If you live in a physical environment where almost every man must be a hunter or warrior, well that’s not conducive to the development of nerd-encouraging cultural institutions or to nerdish genes getting passed along.”

    Britain not very long ago was a nation of tinkerers in sheds – the past sales of things like Practical Wireless attest to that. But in a leisure world with more distractions and fewer sheds big enough to tinker in (I grew up in a terraced street, but the gardens were all well over thirty yards long with commensurate sheds), and an employment world of low wages and insecurity for many, are these tinkerers dying out?

    I was fortunate enough last year to have a chance meeting with an engineer and inventor, still productive in his mid-60s. He’d joined a government defence agency at 16 as an engineering apprentice and in a long career had worked on many things including some we’ll all have heard of. He’d been learning by doing and by sparking ideas off other people all his life, and seemed in no mood to put his feet up. Fascinating guy to talk with.

    The agency where he started has long been privatised, and the impression I get from a quick look at their website is that a career of this guy’s scientific breadth wouldn’t be very likely now, you’d have to specialise – this chap had switched between projects, learning new things, all his working life – without having to drop 5 pay grades every time he moved.

    I just have a nasty feeling that the UK of 1969 was a lot more comfortable place for such a guy to start a career than the UK of 2019 – in or out of the EU.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  48. barr says:
    @bob sykes

    “US is ramping up its military forces / SOCOM’s /mechanized infantry battalion”– simply call them American ISIS or just ISIS .

  49. Udeda says:
    @bob sykes

    I guess you missed the part where Trump advocated seizing oil fields, YEARS ago.

  50. @Anonymous

    Oh give it a rest !!! As the UK sinks slowly in the West I dont think many give any thought to “who loves you baby ” – least of all the U.S. ! Anybody aware here is definitely planning personal exit strategies —and those who are blithely oblivious to the darkness think Football and X-Factor are important !!

  51. @YetAnotherAnon

    No actual capital any more. Zero appetitive for risk. Going concerns only.

  52. @YetAnotherAnon

    As one such, I can only agree. When I started my apprenticeship in 1970, 11.5m worked in manufacturing. Now 1.5m. Pay was terrible, prospects worse but only 38 hours a week, 20 minutes by bike from home and 6 weeks holiday (instead of better wages).

    I helped to privatise DERA, now Qinetiq. I assessed their inventions for commercial possibilities (screening out the duds not picking the winners)? Nerds all.

    I too remember when everyone had gardens big enough to supply fresh vegetables throughout the summer. Fridges were VERY expensive.

  53. @YetAnotherAnon

    Oh, and 1974 was a different starting point (same manufacturing output as Germany. A wide base of firms and technologies) than 2008.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  54. Vaterland says:
    @Simon in London

    There was a 50-year process ca 1890-1940. We had been economically overtaken by around 1890

    Yes. By us. And the anti-German resentment is massive to this day. I only need to listen to Farrage and Peter or Christopher Hitchens. It’s there in the Alt-Right as well. I think it was also a British man who said that there were 20 million Germans too many in the world.

    We had neither the strength nor the self belief, and by the 1920s were committed to the independence from us of our own empire.

    If that was the case, you wouldn’t have involved yourself in WW 1 the way you did. Reality is: your nation was ready to sacrifice millions of your own men to prevent us to merely overtake you and hardly become world hegemon like the USA. A sense of spite towards a Germanic nation so closely related to the British, both culturally and genetically, that bewilders me to this day. And the way Britain in particular treated a fellow Germanic-protestant nation, Prussia, is equally unbelievable to me. Especially considering they had fought side by side against Napoleon. And not all of it comes down to small hats.

    Except maybe

    Churchill was a man with dual loyalties, to US as well as UK, and didn’t really distinguish their interests.

    His real loyalty is quite evident, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-m7lkD3lM

  55. @Thomm

    GDP is a bullshit number. It includes all the fees of the bets placed at the Big Casino on Wall Street and in Chicago, (or London for that matter) which “produce” nothing. It also include the cost of waste. It does not include the cost of a family farmer’s labor (service), only the manipulated value of his produce, whether plant or animal.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  56. Vaterland says:
    @A123

    I find it particularly revealing that one of the most dedicated Zionist activists/trolls is also the one to deliver these doomsday anti-EU talking points and demagoguery totally removed from objective reality, again confirming what PNAC founder Robert Kagan himself had written in the WaPo :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/12/liberal-world-order-helped-israel-flourish-now-state-is-pushing-back/?arc404=true

    “The EU is not good for Israel.” “The more divided Europe is, the better.” Nevermind the obvious grudge small hats have with Germany to this very day and resent its influence in Europe; even as a client to puppet state. New rightists, all Zionist parties anyway, are the useful idiots in this con-job.

    Unfortunately the right is filled with people who are easy to enrage, to blind and to manipulate. And the Zionists know this. Given their decade long experience with US Evangelicals. Gullible Goy Golems.

    • Replies: @A123
  57. A123 says:
    @Vaterland

    doomsday anti-EU talking points and demagoguery totally removed from objective reality

    How is is demagoguery to point out objective reality? The battle is between two sides:

    -1- Judeo-Christian Values
    -2- Islamo-Globalist Values

    The Islamic-Globalist side is lead by figures such a Dhimmi Soros and Mullah Merkel. They are dedicated to replacing Infidels (Christians & Jews) with Imported Muslims that work cheap, if they work at all.

    — Do you deny that in the EU the IslamoSoros is serving his Allah by replacing Christians & Jews with Muslims?
    — Do you deny that the Mullah Merkel’s rape-ugee invasion has been detrimental to the German people? (1)

    The objective reality of IslamoGlobalism is there for everyone to see. You may want to try opening your eyes to the truth of the anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, Muslim invasion.

    PEACE 😇
    ________
    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/30/migrants-arrested-apologising-terrorism-strasbourg-christmas-market/

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  58. @Vaterland

    You got your timeline mixed up. 1920s came after WW1. In WW1 we were all gung ho to fight The Hun, as you say. I agree that was extremely stupid.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  59. Vaterland says:
    @A123

    What to even reply to this completely deranged post from a parallel universe even more nutty than our current clown world? Where to even begin? To be honest, I just laughed.

    I only wonder, which one of these 3 possibilities you are:

    1.) Hasbara, actually thinking someone’s going to fall for your ridiculous ramblings. In that case our “fellow white people” truly aren’t sending their best.

    2.) An actual boomercon, carefully raised on fear porn and systemic disinformation from Breitbart, founded in Jerusalem, to Alex Jonesstein.

    3.) An enduring troll who posts something like this to make Ziocon boomers seem as even worse dimwitted golems than they actually are.

    This is just sad…

    • Replies: @A123
  60. Vaterland says:
    @Simon in London

    My bad, I though you had implied the total time from 1890 to 1940 with

    We had neither the strength nor the self belief,

    Nevertheless I do wonder where that zealous fervor to fight “The Hun” came from. It’s hard to overlook the deeply racially loaded WW 1 propaganda and why Anglo-Saxons who are largely Northern German in origin, would call another Germanic nation “The Hun”. It reeks of small hattery, but I haven’t seen evidence for it yet. And given the heavy role of Js in Americas entrance into WW 1 (Balfour Declaration, Wall Street investments into France and Britain, etc.), it doesn’t seem far off. Also adding to it the role of house Rothschild in Britain since at absolute minimum the Napoleonic Wars.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Simon in London
  61. A123 says:
    @Vaterland

    It is just sad that you ducked the questions. Or, do you fear me so much you will not answer questions about objective reality?

    Here let me repeat the questions as you have an attention span problem:

    — Do you deny that in the EU the IslamoSoros is serving his Allah by replacing Christians & Jews with Muslims?

    — Do you deny that the Mullah Merkel’s rape-ugee invasion has been detrimental to the German people? (1)

    Christmas markets used to be safe. They didn’t require anti-terror security until Mutti Mullah Merkel brought in her Jihadi thugs.

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/30/migrants-arrested-apologising-terrorism-strasbourg-christmas-market/

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  62. Vaterland says:
    @A123

    I didn’t “duck” your question nor do I fear you. Again, laughable. I honestly, just think they imply so many incredibly deep delusions and misinformations, that they sound like a caricature of Charles Krauthammer’s disinformation campaigns like “Islamo-Fascism” that it would take too long to untangle.

    One example: To call Theodor Hertzel prize and B’nai Brith medal recipient Angela Kasmierczak/Kasner/Merkel, the personal friend of Ronald Lauder, the donation giver of sixty million Euros to Auschwitz, the unprecedented censor of free speech at the order of the Jewish lobby, the loyal Ziocon apparatschik in Syria and the worst puppet of of the Jewish Lobby in Germany in our entire post world war history “Mullah Merkel” is so unbelievably dumb, so utterly delusional and such an obscene lie, I have no words for it. The same goes for “IslamoSoros”. And actually Judeo-Christian as well.

    You are also either pretending to not know, or are really ignorant enough not to know, that it is the Jewish lobby driving Islamic immigration into this country and the enforced multi-culturalization of it.

    If you are not a paid troll, then you are hopelessly lost and a victim of Zionist lies.

    • Replies: @A123
  63. A123 says:
    @Vaterland

    You are still ducking.

    Let me rephrase the questions to step around your problems with objective reality.

    — Do you deny that EU leaders are harming Christian & Jewish EU citizens by encouraging and supporting mass-migration of Muslims?

    — Do you deny that the Muslim rape-ugee invasion has been detrimental to the predominantly Christian, German people? (2)

    “Why should we children have to grow up in such fear?”

    That is the very reasonable question 16-year-old German teenager Bibi Wilhailm asks, in her 20-minute YouTube video, garnering her some much-needed recognition in cyberspace. Her video had first appeared on Facebook, but was taken down for reasons that still remain unclear.

    But Wilhailm doesn’t seem to care too much for fame. In her first ever YouTube appearance, she says she only wants her old life back. It is a life that she describes as “toll” (fantastic), before Chancellor Angela Merkel allowed one million, mostly male and Muslim, refugees into Germany last fall. Since then, Wilhailm says, “life has become very unsafe on the streets for young women like me and my friends.”

    “This is the truth. We are no longer allowed to walk outside,” said Wilhailm. “We are no longer allowed to wear our clothes. We are no longer allowed to live the German life. This is the sad truth.”

    Please try to confine your answers to objective reality about the Muslim migrants/criminals and their Infidel (Christian & Jewish) victims.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (2) From 2016: https://archives.frontpagemag.com/fpm/germanys-rapefugee-crisis-stephen-brown/

  64. @Vaterland

    I don’t know; I’m not aware of any particular Jewish hostility to WW1 Germany.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Vaterland
  65. the retreat from hegemony was made manifest this year when Iran carried out a devastating drone and missile attack on Saudi oil facilities in September.

    It has yet to be proved in the public domain that Iran was responsible for this attack, or directly behind proxies. Saudi Arabia has plenty of enemies, not least its own citizenry.

  66. Lurker says:
    @Vaterland

    the anti-German resentment is massive to this day. I only need to listen to Farrage and Peter or Christopher Hitchens. It’s there in the Alt-Right as well

    You must be thinking of a different alt-right to me. I even see some and Americans and Brits saying the alt-right is too pro-German. From my pov anti-German sentiment is very much a cuckservative position. And, depending one’s country, so is anti-American and anti-British sentiment.

    (Christopher Hitchens went to his reward in 2011)

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Vaterland
  67. @Philip Owen

    “1974 was a different starting point (same manufacturing output as Germany. A wide base of firms and technologies) than 2008”

    It was James Dyson who pointed out in the Telegraph that when he started out (the Ballbarrow) he could drive up to the Black Country and within a few miles source steel tubing, find someone to cut and bend it to shape, then someone to powder-coat it. He was lamenting the disappearance of UK switchgear manufacturing – most of his vacuum cleaner stuff was Far Eastern.

    But the manufacturing disasters of the Thatcher and Blair years – would they really have been prevented by joining the Euro? Certainly EU membership didn’t save them.

    We simply must have manufacturing – because it’s the main area where productivity increases are achievable. There’s a limit to hairdressing productivity and we’re at it. We must be close to maximum nursing productivity, at least as far as cleaning and dressing wounds (a growth industry, diabetics get a lot of leg ulcers) is concerned.

    There are other possible gains in medicine, remote diagnosis and monitoring, perhaps remote surgery, but these won’t be huge percentage increases.

    The NHS and Treasury are due for some big future hits, because the New Britons from the subcontinent and Africa have twice the diabetes rate of Native Britons by age 80, and they don’t pay much tax per capita either (nor do they donate blood or organs at the native rate). Therefore we HAVE to increase productivity elsewhere (as well as frightening Type 2 diabetics into losing weight).

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  68. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    The alt-right isn’t pro-German, it’s pro-Nazi. Their sentiment is mainly due to their antisemitism, it has got nothing to do with any real interest in Germany. In fact they’re no different from the mainstream right in the Anglosphere in this respect, seeing Germany solely through the lens of 1933-1945, just with a positive spin instead.
    imo “Vaterland” is right, the anti-German resentment is massive in the English-speaking world, and the whole “4th Reich” nonsense (at a time when the German state is actively destroying the German nation) got tiresome long ago. It might be understandable coming from a Greek, but the British and French have no one to blame for their present situation but themselves.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  69. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simon in London

    Yeah, that seems to be a myth, Tsarist Russia was the big bogeyman for Jews at the time, imperial Germany was seen as comparatively enlightened in its treatment of Jews.

  70. “Suddenly the country will be without real allies..”

    Like Switzerland perhaps? Anyways WHY does Britain need allies when it is perfectly safe. Who is going to launch a trans-channel invasion? It seems to me Britain’s decline came precisely when it DID have allies and made pledges to Belgium and Poland. The latter act was an instrument of egregious stupidity.

    • Agree: Simon in London
  71. sensen22 says:

    The article seem to waffle on every issue. It’s equivalent to saying that executions are bad because they punish people.

  72. sensen22 says:

    Meddling in other people business in not a form of hegemony.

  73. Kanuckat says:

    Britain will be mired in a Brexit crisis of one sort or another for the foreseeable future, trying to establish a new relationship with the EU and the US, both of whom are more powerful and capable of getting their way than the UK.

    The British Chamber of Commerce in Mexico (HSBC, Barclays, BP, Royal Dutch Shell, etc, all pretexting they are there for climate change, renewables) will probably establish commercial links with the EU, via british colonies like Canada, through bilateral agreements, like the Mercosur.

    US, Canada and Mexico sign agreement – again – to replace NAFTA

    https://www.bilaterals.org/

  74. It’s good to see that the age of the hard-drinking sot journalist isn’t over.

    I guess the wake will come when Paddy here is replaced by some 22 year old female hindu with a degree in Mexican-Lesbian Literature, A-La the NYT.

  75. @YetAnotherAnon

    Industries where the UK leads the world due to a large EU market/standards.

    Civilian jet engines (Airbus)
    Composite aircraft wings (Airbus)
    Combined Cycle Gas Turbiines (EU decarbonising electricity)
    Celluar phone base stations (larger market – Ericsson, Nokia, Philips, Alcatel)
    GSM handsets thus ARM+Transputers succeeding (EU standards promotion)
    Bluetooth (larger market) – CSR now bought by US firm.
    Vaious Pharmaceuticals (large market with one regulatory approval)

    There is a strong argument for London becoming, at times, the world’s leading financial centre due to the scale of the European market. The Russians might otherwise have gone to New York.

    We would probably be leading in LCD screen technology, diesel generators and some financial services anyway.

    There are too many triumphs for highly educated engineers that get sold under licence orar swiftly bought out by US firms. These do a lot for Cmbridge but nothng for Rotherham or MerthyrTydfil.

  76. Vaterland says:
    @Lurker

    You must be thinking of a different alt-right to me.

    Hardly. One of the biggest voices in the dissident right “Black Pigeon Speaks” said the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Poland and Czechoslovakia created “beautiful ethno-states”. And he has been going on for years how Germany is destroying Europe for the 3rd time in 100 years, from tanks to refugees, entirely ignoring the role of the USA and Britain in the systemic brainwashing of my people over generations that has lead to this situation. It was and is a broad phenomenon in the British Brexiter camp aswell.

    I agree in so far that it is a Zionist/Neocon position/talking point. Much like “Islam is the new fascism”, etc. Thus, it’s not at the center of the core Alt-Right but very abundant on its outer circles and the “Alt-Lite”.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Lurker
  77. Vaterland says:
    @Simon in London

    Then the question remains where the British hatred for Germany, regularly racially charged, comes from. Which still bewilders me.

    And while it is true that Jews were almost fully emancipated in Germany/Prussia since the 19th century – although it was not enough to Franz Boas and he cited alleged discrimination as the motivating factor for his ethnic activism and “brainwashing” activities – I do know that the Kaiser himself thought that Jews, I assume mostly in the USA and UK, were instrumental in his abduction. An act which was central into our catastrophic path into WW 2 and to this day. Especially considering that the Holy Roman Empire and Kaisertum are the backbone of our identity which was our state for almost a millennium.

    • Replies: @A123
  78. Vaterland says:
    @anon

    Yes, I largely agree with this sentiment. “Pro-Hitler and at the same time German-hating”, fueled by the resentment against their own Jewish elites, or sometimes crude racism. The reduction on 12 years of Hitlerism is extremely tiresome, especially combined with a total ignorance of the millennia of German history. All too often it is a positive spin of a pure propaganda image. “You are all Nazis!”, says the Neocon right in degrading accusation. “You are all Nazis!”, says the Alt-Right and cheers.

    Mind you, we were known as having a total lack of national pride and matter-of-fact attitude towards political things for centuries. It changed to some degree when we had defeated Napoleon and ideas spread that it was the Germanic nations and their spirit of liberty against, at that time, Roman tyranny which had brought freedom into this world and thus Prussian militarism equated fighting for freedom. Parallels to a certain, world hegemonic country today are striking.

  79. anon[913] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    . And he has been going on for years how Germany is destroying Europe for the 3rd time in 100 years

    Exactly, that’s a constant refrain from Brits and Americans. Even when Germany is being actively dismantled as a nation by its government, you still get this “Germany is ruining Europe again” nonsense. Their “white solidarity” doesn’t seem to extend to Germans (they do love “Based Poland” though, whose shitty reparations campaign is apparently no problem at all), so imo we shouldn’t have any positive feelings towards them either.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  80. Vaterland says:
    @anon

    Concerning Poland’s patriotism/reactionary nationalism it’s quite apparent how the US empire and the Neocons are trying to steer it into a direction dividing Europe and inflame its anti-German sentiments, exploiting WW 2 grievances for political gain. Similar with BREXIT… Because indeed: the EU is one of the last institutions to support Palestinian human rights and international law.

    As for the US Alt-Right and white nationalism: a lot of it just feels like old US imperialism plus racism. Andrew Anglin’s own words: “A white empire led by the USA”. They don’t mind oppression, exploitation and war; their main problem seems to be that it is not them doing it. Morally bankrupt. It’s telling that it was the Social Democrat Schröder who kept us out of the Iraq War while the new right AfD is a hard-line Zionist party. Robert Kagan knows well where his useful minions are. “White Zionists”. Let’s just hope the misdirected hatred for Muslims is not exploited for a war against Iran in Trump’s 2nd term.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Matra
    , @Malla
  81. A123 says:
    @Vaterland

    Duck Vater,

    Then the question remains where the British hatred for Germany, regularly racially charged, comes from. Which still bewilders me.

    The British hate the Globalist Elites than run Germany. So it is more fact based than racial. Although, the German sheeple supporting Globalist leaders is a huge strike against them.

    Merkel and her peers run the German “Euro” Central Bank in Frankfurt to:
    — Keep elite, Globalist firms like Deutsche Bank alive.
    — Promote Muslim mass-migration to Europe to displace Christians & Jews.
    — Suppress Christianity and Democracy in places like Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Poland, and Hungary.

    The Polish people and the British people get along, as they are both primarily Christian populations under assault by anti-Christian German leadership. When the Christian people of Germany get rid of their current degenerate leaders, one would expect rapid improvement in the relationships between Germany and the Free & Christian peoples of Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  82. anon[913] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    I don’t think AfD is hard-line Zionist, though there certainly are some troubling signs. But I agree that too many on the German right are too gullible about Zionist propaganda (not least about the whole Iran issue, I share your concerns about war with Iran) and too mindlessly transatlanticist, even putting hope on a false saviour like Trump.
    Your general assesment of the American alt-right is spot on imo, their power-worship is absolutely disgusting, and most of them have no principled objection to America’s foreign policy, has really eroded my sympathy for white Americans tbh.

    • Replies: @Malla
  83. Vaterland says:
    @A123

    Okay, Mr. Troll, I probably should not involve myself in this further, but you are spreading actual disiniformation. Every single talking point you mentioned is nonsense and a lie. So let us directly address two of the worst lies in your bizarre post.

    anti-Christian German leadership.

    Not only is Angela Kasner the daughter of a protestant pastor and a devout Christian. She also has the direct support of both Christian churches in Germany, as is the case all over Europe, especially Pope Francis to whom she has close contacts. All of them systematically rail against and demonize any opposition to mass migration and open borders as proto-fascist. The leadership of the largest open border NGO in Germany is staffed by protestant theologians: https://www.proasyl.de/en/association/

    These are the facts.

    — Promote Muslim mass-migration to Europe to displace Christians & Jews.

    Firstly, as I said, it is the Christian churches which are in full support of the open border policy of the German government. Their public statements are numerous, direct and leave no room for doubt.

    Secondly, the president of the central council of Jews in Germany, Josef Schusters has
    1.) declared that “Germany is the last country to deny refugees”.
    2.) That Jews and Muslims have to unite against the xenophobia of the AfD.
    3.) that the only party opposed to open borders, the AfD, was the return of the NSDAP and needed to be fought by all means in which he is closely allied with the protestant church https://jungefreiheit.de/debatte/kommentar/2018/schuldig-im-sinne-ihrer-eigenen-anklage/
    4.) Is a very outspoken and influential lobbyist for harsher hate speech laws which in Germany are already among the worst in Europe https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2019/zentralrat-der-juden-fordert-haerteres-netzdg/
    5.) The official and unspoken justification for the radical transformation of Germany from a mono-cultural and mono-ethnic nation state into a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic lot of land in the EU with open borders, is the official holocaust narrative.

    You have also provided no rational and evident explanation to why official World Jewry would gift Angela Merkel, “Mullah Merkel” its highest prizes, if she was involved in a systematic conspiracy against Jews, controlled by “globalists”. These lies are on the level of Alex Jones disinformation and are fraudulent and deceptive.

    Go take your hasbara somewhere else.

    • Replies: @A123
  84. @Vaterland

    The reason Britain wanted war and also why Britain enhanced a polarisation between the jews and her rivals was that competitive rivals threatened Britains dominance in banking.

    But that was the last thing Britain would explain to them.

    Both Germany and Russia posed such a threat unless they were destroyed and the best alternative from Britains perspective was to have them destroy each other.

  85. A123 says:
    @Vaterland

    Well at least you are no longer ducking. You have however, entirely missed the point. Let us simplify the discussion. Leave the tiny number of Jews out of the equation and look solely at Christians and Muslims.

    Why do you find it surprising that Globalist elites have sacrificed the Christian beliefs of their forebearers to obtain personal power?

    Not only is Angela Kasner the daughter of a protestant pastor and a devout Christian. She also has the direct support of both Christian churches in Germany, as is the case all over Europe, especially Pope Francis to whom she has close contacts.

    So you believe that the Pope’s support is a measure of her Christianity?

    Let us look at evidence that exactly the opposite is true.

    Pope Dhimmi Francis of Islam, is submissive before Allah. All you have to do is break the code. Anyone pushing “interfaith” as replacement for actual faith has abandoned Christianity. He even travelled to Abu Dhabi to grovel before, and heap praise on, a lengthy list of his Muslim superiors. (1)

    As-salāmu alaykum! Peace be with you!

    I give heartfelt thanks to His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Doctor Ahmad Al-Tayyib, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, for their words. I am grateful to the Council of Elders for the meeting that we have just had at the Grand Mosque of Sheikh Zayed.

    … With a heart grateful to the Lord, in this eighth centenary of the meeting between Saint Francis of Assisi and Sultan al-Malik al Kāmil, I have welcomed the opportunity to come here as a believer thirsting for peace, as a brother seeking peace with the brethren.

    There are many elites who falsely claim to be Christians. They show their true face by intentionally harming Christians via their support of IslamoGlobalist beliefs such as Mass Migration Theology.

    With this in mind, let us reframe the fact set you presented in objective terms. Despite the circumstances of their births, Dhimmi Francis of Islam has embraced Mullah Merkel’s campaign to replace Christians with Muslims.

    Is it really so hard to see the objective truth?

    The Muslim rape-ugee invasion of Europe benefits Islam and harms innocent Christians. Why do you support Muslim predator attacks on Christian children?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://zenit.org/articles/abu-dhabi-pope-francis-address-to-interfaith-meeting-at-founders-memorial-full-text/

  86. Smith says:

    Thanks Brexit!

    Out with the EU, out with the globalists, time for nationalist to clean house again. You can’t be strong if your internal is rotten.

  87. Lurker says:
    @Vaterland

    To me BPS is weak alt-lite stuff. He’s fine attacking SJW nonsense but that’s about it.

  88. Thomm says:
    @Curmudgeon

    That is entirely besides the point.

    The fact remains, the UK is an economy vastly smaller than the US. No matter what metric you use, it is merely one-seventh the size of the US. It is also the seventh or eighth largest in the world. Period.

  89. gkruz says:
    @Hibernian

    Yes, it ended in 1945 and it also took down western civilization with it. No entity was more responsible for the vile state we are in today then Britain. They sold their soul to the Chosen, invited the colored to equality in their Commonwealth, and opted at every turn to kill and oppress other White people if they could squeeze one more acre of geography or one more ounce of gold from it.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
  90. Methinks anyone who’s deluded themselves into thinking that the City of London, (aka more simply ‘The City’) – the 1 sq. mile of bankers’ Head Offices and an entirely separate legal jurisdciction from the rest of the UK – does *still not control the global economy, including that of the United States (which, by the way, it runs by remote control as a ‘zombie’ economy) needs to view ‘The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire, A Financial Power Documentary (only 1:16:20)

  91. Matra says:
    @Vaterland

    As for the US Alt-Right and white nationalism: a lot of it just feels like old US imperialism plus racism

    Actually, American WNism is full of Anglo/Polish-bashing Germany Firsters. No matter what action Germany has taken in the past against Europeans – from the Dinant massacre in 1914 to the slaughter of Slavs throughout WW2 – American AltRight turds can always be counted on to come up with some justification for Germany’s actions.

    • Replies: @anon
  92. It is as plain as day that Britain entering into the European Union was Britain surrendering its sovereignty. By coming out, seriously coming out, Britain regains at least something. Or at least what sovereignty it could be said to have since the Bank of England was established, in great secrecy, after Cromwell allowed Jews back into England openly. Its superpower status it lost along with the Balfour Declaration. If this article is so completely upside down and inside out, then it is sheer falsehood.

  93. anon[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Matra

    American AltRight turds can always be counted on to come up with some justification for Germany’s actions.

    They’re a fringe movement despised by the mainstream, without any real influence. And in their “pro-German” (actually pro-Nazi) sentiment they’re merely the mirror image of people like you who are completely unable to ever move beyond the 1914-1945 era and still obsess over nebulous German plots to dominate Europe (which usually are never substantiated, it’s hard not to get the impression that the objection is to the existence of any kind of Germany). Both attitudes actually show very well what nonsense all this talk of “white brotherhood” against a common globalist enemy is, in reality most right-wingers prefer cultivating old hatreds and obsessing over ancient history. It will probably only end in a century or so, when Western and Central Europe have been completely submerged by Islamic and African immigration.

  94. Britain hasn’t been a superpower for many decades. Brexit has nothing to do with it. Get over your GloboHomo feelings.

  95. Malla says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s true that Britain went to war to prevent a single country dominating Europe. The country happened to be Germany – in earlier centuries Britain had done the same against France and before that Spain.

    Very true but the 1930s was not a time to think on those outmoded ideas. Since WW1, Europe’s position had weakened enormously w.r.t rest of the world. When Britain helped prevent France or Spain from dominating Europe, Europe was ascending, indeed for a couple of centuries, Europe alone mattered. The USA was a baby with only regional influence, Japan had not risen yet and the other great Empires/ Kingdoms of Asia (Chinese, Indian, Persian etc…) were sick. After WW1 that was no longer the case. The USA was a rising power, Russia had transformed from a normal European nation into a Jewish controlled Eurasian Communist power, Soviet Union, hellbent on spreading ‘civilization destroying’ Communism around the World and especially Europe. The British leadership of the 1930s should have realized that Europe itself had to be saved from an American-Soviet takeover. And thanks to WW2, that is exactly what happened, Europe including Britain ended up dominated by the USA and USSR.

    And when you ask the surviving veterans to say whether the WW2 sacrifices were worth it, given the state of the UK today, they’ll say ‘no’.

    WW2 furthered the cultural destruction of Europe. I am not surprised that the British veterans are so disappointed from the World that eventually sprang out after that war, that they regret figiting in that war. Anyways this book (Unknown Warrior) looks very interesting.
    BTW Douglas Reed & Nesta Webster, in many of their books did write about this disregard for the people of Britain by their elites after the World Wars, as if they were used and thrown away.

  96. Malla says:
    @anon

    Your general assesment of the American alt-right is spot on imo, their power-worship is absolutely disgusting, and most of them have no principled objection to America’s foreign policy,

    The Alt-Right is fake opposition, to keep the rising energy of White anger (which the Zio elites had anticipated anyways) under control and then to channel it into their globalist schemes like support of Israel and Muslims being singled out for attack. The so called “Neo nazis” remain the real opposition to the globalist elites. Not the Ukrainian “Nazis” tho.

  97. Malla says:
    @Vaterland

    Concerning Poland’s patriotism/reactionary nationalism it’s quite apparent how the US empire and the Neocons are trying to steer it into a direction dividing Europe and inflame its anti-German sentiments,

    Most Poles in my experience seem more anti-Russian than anti-German today. Maybe because many believe that part of the German nation (East Germany) too suffered under Communist tyranny.
    But any kind of Euros being anti-other Euros is stupid in this day and age when there is an army of non Whites willing to migrate and obliterate Europe with the blessings of the “European” elites themselves.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  98. @Philip Owen

    Because in the Thatcher years the EU hadn’t expanded to add 100 million low-income people to the labour market, so wages weren’t being driven down.

    In 1986 I was working in London, when the ‘Big Bang’ deregulation happened, and financial firms were expanding their IT. After 6 people from my team of 10 left, the rest of us got a straight 20% pay rise to keep us from heading for the City.

    Nowadays they’d just lobby/bribe for more Indian guys to be brought over. They hadn’t thought of that then.

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