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Lockdowns are unnecessary if the use of masks is practiced by 95 per cent of the population, says Dr Hans Kluge, the World Health Organisation’s European chief. This is good to know, though it is a pity that the WHO did not make the point more forcefully in March as the pandemic was exploding across Europe and the world.

The necessity for face masks had been expressed at the time, but the advice to use them came from a source that European and American leaders dismissed as politically unacceptable. As Britain and other European states were going into lockdown, Dr George Gao, director-general of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention – the main Chinese public health body – was asked in an interview on 27 March about what he believed were the mistakes being made by other countries trying to control the epidemic. He replied that “the big mistake in the US and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks”.

His opinion should have been taken seriously since China, notwithstanding the suppression of the Uighurs and democracy in Hong Kong, along with other east Asian countries, were succeeding in bringing the coronavirus epidemic under control. But instead of drawing on this experience, the new cold war against China ensured that any positive news from there was ignored, disbelieved or derided. China’s initial concealment of the epidemic was highlighted, and its success in containing it was disregarded. When China’s return to normality was mentioned, it was attributed to autocratic rule that could not and should not be emulated elsewhere. In point of fact, the Chinese achievement resulted largely from old-fashioned public health measures, with a heavy emphasis on test-and-trace and travel bans, pursued with great energy and with the mobilisation of vast resources.

Refusal to learn from a successful campaign against the coronavirus because it was carried out by a political rival was self-destructive for Europe and the US, but their response should not have been unexpected. Before the pandemic, we were already living in a deglobalising world where individual nation states jostle to enhance their power. Rule-based international institutions and coalitions from the WHO and WTO to the EU and NATO were ebbing in influence. The epidemic has only flood-lit the fact that re-energised nationalism is the spirit of the age from America to the Philippines and from China to Brazil.

The dominance of this trend has become clear since 2016, the decisive year that saw the UK voting to leave the EU, the US choosing Donald Trump as president, and Turkey transforming itself into a full-blown autocracy in the wake of a failed military coup.

But Covid-19 has given history a powerful nudge down the roads it was already taking. If a global threat like a deadly virus that knows no borders had emerged a decade earlier, it would probably have provoked a global response under the aegis of the US. But after the coronavirus emerged in Wuhan at the end of 2019, the opposite happened and it speeded up deglobalisation – and not just because of xenophobic rants by Trump or the mini-Trumps that have been popping up around the world.

Nor was it solely among populist nationalist regimes and autocracies that “health nationalism” has become the order of the day. A study, called “Geopolitical Europe in Times of Covid-19” by Mark Leonard of the European Council on Foreign Relations, notes that the shock of the epidemic provoked the same response by nation states within the EU as it did among those outside it: “It was clear that none of the great powers were looking to the multilateral system to provide an answer [to the epidemic]. As the death count rose, every country acted as if it was on its own, closing borders, stockpiling medical equipment, and introducing export controls.” This pushback against political and commercial globalisation continues, affecting everything from cross border migration, international travel and tourism to global supply chains and the distribution of vaccines.

Another nudge to history delivered by Covid-19 is the shift of the crucial arena of world politics from Europe to Asia. The EU is stumbling politically, displaying once again the weaknesses it showed during the 2008 financial crisis and the refugee crisis sparked by the Middle East wars. Brussels may appear like a behemoth to a self-marginalised Britain as it negotiates the terms of its exit from the EU, but the EU is itself becoming more marginal in the world.

Can any rough guide to winners and losers in the year of Covid-19 be drawn up at this stage? America and Britain are both bad losers: Trump and Johnson had been divisive and demagogic before the epidemic struck, but when it did strike it dramatically exposed the dysfunctional nature of their governments and their personal inability to deal with a real crisis. This sense of chronic breakdown is exacerbated in the US by Trump’s fraudulent claims to have won the presidential election, giving a toxic foretaste of a permanently divided and destabilised America.

For Britain the post-Covid-19 and post-Brexit future looks even bleaker than in the US. The latter is a superpower that can make gross mistakes in a way that Britain, as a smaller player, cannot afford to do.

Britain’s final exit from the EU was always going to be difficult, but coronavirus means that it is entering a particularly forbidding political landscape. Brexit in itself is not so peculiar: many nations have sought self-determination, propelled by dreams of getting back control, but Britain has traditionally relied on foreign alliances in war and peace. It has stood alone, notably against Napoleon and Hitler, only because its allies had been defeated and it had no other option.

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Britain will try to re-glue its relationship with the US and Europe by becoming a doughty spear carrier for both in the deepening cold war against Russia and China. This explains Johnson’s £16bn increase in the defence budget over the next four years, despite the calamitous damage inflicted on the economy by the epidemic. Gestures like this and a bit of threat-inflation solidify alliances, but they are scarcely an original strategy: Tony Blair tried a similar approach with disastrous results by joining US military ventures in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Britain is facing one of the most serious crises in its history under the least serious leadership it has ever known. The Brexiteers turned out to be a bigger danger than Brexit. Every week brings fresh evidence of their blunders, shady dealings and blindness to the dangers of a deglobalising world in which Britain will be a small fish trying to navigate the political oceans.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. This article assumes that there exists an answer to this virus problem. There is no one on the planet that knows what to do, including all the phony experts.

    The proper response would have been for everyone to listen to those that claim some knowledge on the topic and then to make up their own minds on how to proceed. Some would have decided to stay home. Other would have opted for masks and limited social contacts. etc, etc, etc.

    All the fatwas have done is to ruin the worlds economies and provided TPTsB with an excuse to create more funny money for themselves and their hangers on. The virus is going to do its thing regardless of attempts to stop it. The reaction gov’ts have implemented will do far more harm to more people than the virus alone would ever have done.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Getaclue
  2. JasonT says:

    The plandemic was and is the spear tip to kill freedom throughout the Western world. To realize this, one need only look at the ‘test’ being misused to inflate the Covid ‘infection’ numbers and the outright lying on death certificates to inflate the Covid death count.

  3. El Dato says:

    He replied that “the big mistake in the US and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks”.

    1) There were no masks
    2) We still don’t know whether masks even work. AFAIK not one study shows they do.

    Also, numbers for the UK are looking good in spite of the govnmt still pretending to fill pants with panic drops. At this point one may discuss whether it’s functionaries (often double-faced in a “my rules don’t apply to me” way) pretending that they are needed by being all-controlling or whether the previous measures worked, it’s open for discussion.


    UK Health Dept pilloried after issuing vague objection to Daily Mail article challenging govt’s Covid-19 narrative

    What they DON’T tell you about Covid: Fewer beds taken up than last year, deaths a fraction of the grim forecasts, 95% of fatalities had underlying causes… and how the facts can be twisted to strike fear in our hearts

    As the death count rose, every country acted as if it was on its own, closing borders, stockpiling medical equipment, and introducing export controls.” This pushback against political and commercial globalisation continues, affecting everything from cross border migration, international travel and tourism to global supply chains and the distribution of vaccines.

    So when China does it, it’s good, but when locals do it (even down to the regional level) it’s bad?

    A little reminder by mother nature to decentralize and not rely on a country 5000 miles away to provide PPE is not a bad thing.

    • Agree: unit472, meamjojo
  4. Hans says:

    Usual rubbish from (((Cockburn))).

    • Agree: Druid, BuelahMan, PhilK
  5. Miro23 says:

    Can any rough guide to winners and losers in the year of Covid-19 be drawn up at this stage? America and Britain are both bad losers: Trump and Johnson had been divisive and demagogic before the epidemic struck, but when it did strike it dramatically exposed the dysfunctional nature of their governments and their personal inability to deal with a real crisis.

    Starting from the fact that the UK death rate in 2020 is the same as it was in 2019 – then 1) there is no “pandemic” 2) the real crisis is government deception and the vast economic damage they have caused 3) worst of all – they’re proposing to pay big pharma the crazy amount of 60- 80 billion pounds for unnecessary national testing and vaccines – which is criminally irresponsible and likely corrupt.

    Ref. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html?offset=45&max=100&jumpTo=comment-620119323#comment-620119323

    • Agree: Hippopotamusdrome
  6. Cockburn has certainly taken the shotgun approach to expelling this pant-load of excreta. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that masks prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses. It is quite counterintuitive to think that they could do so. In Canada, a bizarre explanation for the transmission of SARS CoV-2 was put into the public sphere early in the panic, in which large droplets are propelled directly from an infected person into the orifices of people who happen to be within an arbitrary six-foot zone. The idea that this mechanism has produced hundreds of thousands of infections across the globe is beyond absurd. Aside from the perversely comical nature of this scenario, it simply ignores the existing body of evidence that indicates that infectious respiratory viruses transmit in conditions of low absolute humidity when they are aersolized in <5um particles. These particles can travel tens of metres indoors, and are small enough to move directly into the lower respiratory tract. Further, such small particles cannot be retained by masks used as source control to a degree adequate to prevent transmission. N95 masks permit at least 8% of such particles to enter the atmosphere. Homemade cloth masks actually increase the emission of these particles compared to no mask.
    Cockburn's off-hand reference to Chinese "suppression" of the Uighur terrorist element that has been consistently radicalized by the US/Anglo intelligence apparatus since the dawn of Operation Cyclone over forty years ago is a thought-terminating cliché of the lamest sort.
    It would be essentially impossible for an informed, reasoning person to accept any of the claims regarding the morbidity and mortality of SARS CoV-2 in any country.
    In Alberta, Canada, a number of claims made by health authorities stand out as either perpetuation of a fradulent narrative, or gross negligence and incompetence that constitute criminality.
    On March 9, in Calgary, the most populous city in Alberta, emergency rooms were flooded with people who believed that they had Covid. Two were admitted to hospital. A state of emergency was declared in the province on March 17 with 7 people in hospital, and 97 total "cases" in the province.
    On April 8, with all schools closed, post-secondary campuses shut-down, and all non-essential businesses shuttered, the health authorities released their models that predicted 800 000 infections by mid-May, with the shut-downs and "aggressive" contact-tracing. A second, severe model with 1 060 000 infections was released, and a third model indicating the result of unchecked SARS CoV-2 producing 1 600 000 infections within the time-frame was also produced. At the end of May there were 7000 "cases" in the province. No subsequent analysis of the mortality and morbidity potential of SARS CoV-2 has ever been produced by the authorities.
    The Alberta Health authorities further claimed that SARS CoV-2 was ten times as deadly as influenza. The case rate for Covid deaths is currently 1. Case rates for deaths in hospital with lab-confirmed influenza in the province have ranged as high as 2.3 in the last ten years. Further, Covid deaths include vast numbers of very sick, frail elderly people in long-term care who die with Covid. Deaths in these circumstances were never tested for influenza in previous years, and only influenza deaths in hospital are recorded in the mortality tables, but they are all tested for Covid and added to the death toll.
    The highest number of people tested in a day for influenza in past seasons was 15 000 across the entire country of Canada, with a population of 37 million. Alberta is conducting 15 000 tests daily for Covid in a population of 4.4 million.
    A new round of shut-downs was imposed last week in the name of preventing the overwhelming of the healthcare system. A grand total of 1576 people have ever been hospitalized for Covid in the province. In 2017-18 over 3000 people were hospitalized with influenza, and no such fears of systemic collapse were ever suggested.
    In the government's April 8 model, it was stated that 1900 Covid beds were available. The current hospitalization total that apparently signals the collapse of the system, is 320, with 56 in intensive care units. This total includes an unspecified number of patients who have been infected in the ten current outbreaks in Alberta acute care hospitals.
    The two major cities of Calgary and Edmonton are reported to be at 90 and 92% of ICU capacity currently.
    The April models predicted a probable daily total of 808 in hospital with 232 in critial care by the time of the mid-May peak. Yet now, six months later, the system is on the verge of collapse with totals that are a fraction of the predicted values.
    You can't make this stuff up.
    https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm
    https://www.alberta.ca/assets/documents/covid-19-case-modelling-projection.pdf
    https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/9044e65d-a97e-43cb-8357-9c890422f069/resource/dcd1cc27-57c2-4cf4-8078-3869f19b6390/download/health-influenza-summary-report-2018-2019.pdf

    • Thanks: Catdog, PhilK
    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @chuckywiz
  7. Angharad says:

    Cockburn, you blithering MORON – you don’t “control” a virus. People are exposed, and react. Some get sick, and recover. Some get sick and die. MOST people will recover from a virus. Period. That’s how biology works.

    Do get the RNA “vaccine” though. As fast as you can….

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • LOL: Rufus Clyde
  8. botazefa says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that masks prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses.

    Rufus, there is evidence that people who have infectious respiratory disease can protect infection of others by wearing a mask. Even before covid-19, medical facilities would mask infectious patients as standard protocol.

    Makes sense, no? Put a mask on someone spewing virus into the air and there’s less virus blooming into other cases.

    But masking healthy people to prevent infection? Pseudoscience at best. When the WHO and CDC suggested mass masking was unnecessary they were speaking accurately and consistent with decades of medical and epidemiological science.

    Problem is, many countries have a high percentage of people who will happily stalk onto a subway in a feverish trance and cough. Mandatory universal masking mitigates against those situations. Butvit doesn’t matter, we’ve learned.

    Personally, I value my liberty very highly and think that controlling mother nature is largely folly. But lots of people, particularly the elite who are fearful of the masses and believe they have a right to impose upon everyone solutions to their wealthy health anxieties, have no qualms about limiting liberty. So long as they, the all so important elite, feel safe, then they have ‘achieved’ their collective goal. Leave it to the MSM sycophants to amplify elite desires, and we have the mess we’re in now.

    Mandatory masking for fevers won’t be followed by citizens and and can’t be monitored. Universal masking won’t stop virus spread, as we have seen. Lockdowns don’t work because the essential workers are predominately the same population who will feverishly cough on subways.

    Trump should have given an “all we have to fear is fear itself” style of come to Jesus talk with the population back in March. He should have shamed chickenshit local health authority crybabies. He should have condemned cowardly teachers who are afraid of children infecting them in classrooms.

    Shame on Cockburn.

    Good job Sweden.

  9. Magic crystals are much safer than masks, because covid is scientifc fraud, so the cure for scientific fraud is always scientific fraud as far as the quacks and charlatans are concerned. Either you are a propagandist or you are mentally incompetent, actually, maybe both.

    Andrea Iravani

  10. polistra says:

    Why does Unz continue to publish this unutterably hyperstupid fool?

    • Troll: Supply and Demand
  11. chuckywiz says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Missing from this article are facts or fact finding questions. What is the size of the air born virus? Give me a guesstimate. I read it to be 0.5 mircon. The N-95 mask can capture 40 micron or larger particulate/aerosol or whatever. There is disclaimer on the N-95 mask that it does not guarantee any medical benefits (paraphrasing).
    There is lot of hype of Corona Virus test/s. Initially there were 200 tests now cut down to 150 or so. These were/are not recommended or verified by any US agencies. Every Dick, Harry, and their cousin companies have their own test.
    I am failed to understand why people put so much faith in the names like WHO, UN, World Bank etc while their experts are politically appointed. I have first hand knowledge of such appointments in my line of work. Dumb as stump.
    “Dr.” Bill Gate is authoring in prestigious medical magazines on vaccines and deceases. Where the world is headed?

    • Agree: meamjojo, Ugetit
  12. My God, Cockburn. Do you have a single thought in your head that wasn’t placed there by a TV newstwit?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  13. The governments of the U.K., USA, and other countries are the shills in this massive con game, where you and other marks willingly offer up the loss of your rights and freedoms in the mistaken belief you have a chance to win.

    Biological existence is not living, and as it has been envisioned for us by our criminal elite, it is certainly not winning.

  14. @botazefa

    Your claim is absolutely false. Clearly you were too lazy to read the rest of my post, which explains in some detail why masks cannot serve as source control in the prevention of transmission of infectious respiratory viruses. But you’re also somebody willing to make a completely unsupported and unsupportable claim as if it were true. Sucks to be you, I suppose.
    So no, your already disproven claim does not make sense.
    I have never in my life seen evidence for your claim that infectious patients are masked in a medical setting. They aren’t even doing that now with maximum Covid hysteria, and whether such masking did occur has no bearing on whether or not there is evidence that such practices work. There isn’t.
    I would say shame on you, but your post indicates a mindset in which recognition of your shortcomings seems highly unlikely to occur.
    I suppose that you value your liberty to be free from the terrible burden of having to actually learn something very highly.
    Should you ever choose to incoporate actual scientific information into your views on masks, feel free to read any and all of these studies.
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.488.4644&rep=rep1&type=pdf
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2010.0686
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7#Sec12

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Troll: botazefa
    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Twodees Partain
  15. University chart of your chances of surviving covid-19 by age and sex

    If you are under age 79 with no major other health condition … better than 99%

    And they threw the world into poverty for this

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  16. Magnificent article as always Mr. Cockburn, you are a breath of fresh air in this smog cloud of COVID-denialism and election fraud lunacy.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  17. Covid is a scam. The PCR diagnostics are a scam. The death stats are a scam. The stats describing infection versus actual illness is a scam. Covid is global warming part II.

    This is an influenza virus with a recovery rate hovering about 99.9%.

    Otherwise, it is a “crisis” that is being used to accomplish whatever unique situation of control or exploitation that each nation wishes to impose on its citizens.

    Those individuals prancing about in their masks and plastic face shields deserve to die. Because they are the dumbest among us.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  18. botazefa says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Your claim is absolutely false. Clearly you were too lazy to read the rest of my post, which explains in some detail why masks cannot serve as source control in the prevention of transmission of infectious respiratory viruses

    I read two of your links and they are consistent with my claim that masking infected people is a good idea. The PSU citation isn’t even about masks. The Nature study states in its conclusiin:

    These observations directly demonstrate that wearing of surgical masks or KN95 respirators, even without fit-testing, substantially reduce the number of particles emitted from breathing, talking, and coughing. While the efficacy of cloth and paper masks is not as clear and confounded by shedding of mask fibers, the observations indicate it is likely that they provide some reductions in emitted expiratory particles, in particular the larger particles (> 0.5 μm). We have not directly measured virus emission; nonetheless, our results strongly imply that mask wearing will reduce emission of virus-laden aerosols and droplets associated with expiratory activities, unless appreciable shedding of viable viruses on mask fibers occurs.

    Your own citation seems to directly contradict your claim that “masks cannot serve as source control in the prevention of transmission of infectious respiratory viruses.”

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  19. utu says:

    The necessity for face masks had been expressed at the time, but the advice to use them came from a source that European and American leaders dismissed as politically unacceptable

    The official position by WHO and CDC on masks changed in August and September:

    “CDC director Robert Redfield said face masks may be more effective than a vaccine in preventing individual coronavirus infections”
    https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-masks-better-than-vaccines-at-stopping-coronavirus-2020-9

    But until then WHO and CDC were dismissing masks as a useful tool in controlling flu epidemics. One may speculate that this long standing position was influenced by the Big Pharma interests to rely on medications and vaccines only.

    The Big Pharma does not want us to know that universal masking via reduction of the the R0 may stop flu epidemics. Data show that in 2020 flu cases are at historic low because of wide spread masking due to Covid-19.

    Decreased Influenza Activity During the COVID-19 Pandemic — United States, Australia, Chile, and South Africa, 2020
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937a6.htm

    Following widespread adoption of community mitigation measures to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, the percentage of U.S. respiratory specimens submitted for influenza testing that tested positive decreased from >20% to 2.3% and has remained at historically low interseasonal levels (0.2% versus 1–2%). Data from Southern Hemisphere countries also indicate little influenza activity.

    Influenza data reported to the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) FluNet platform from three Southern Hemisphere countries that serve as robust sentinel sites for influenza from Oceania (Australia), South America (Chile), and Southern Africa (South Africa) showed very low influenza activity during June–August 2020, the months that constitute the typical Southern Hemisphere influenza season.

    Libertarian anti-masking activists with many anti-vaxxers among them are Big Pharma shills and useful idiots. For libertarians it is nothing new to be cast in the role of useful idiots.

  20. @brabantian

    It would be useful to have a comparison chart for influenza. In fact, whenever they show any data on Covid-19 they should also show data for influenza. After all influenza has been around for much longer and accurate data could be produced at the snap of the fingers given all the extensive studies done over the past decades. Influenza hasn’t disappeared, or has it?

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  21. Ah, remember the days when people used to go to work and school with the sniffles, coughs, even a mild fever. The proud workers who claimed they never took a day off work in their lives even when down with the weather. Ever been in class with half of the student body sick with cold and the flu and still showing up? When people didn’t run away from you in the office when you sneezed but gave you a smile and some words of encouragement. Maybe something like: “Oh it’s nothing, I’ve had worse”. Those were the days. Will we ever have them back? Or should we ever have them back?

    • Replies: @ivan
  22. His opinion should have been taken seriously since China, notwithstanding the suppression of the Uighurs and democracy in Hong Kong, along with other east Asian countries, were succeeding in bringing the coronavirus epidemic under control.

    Now what’s Uighurs got to do with any of this? And what do they want? The freedom to hack away at people in crowded streets, to plant bombs in train and bus stations, etc. Why? Because Turkish Intelligence told them to do so? And do they tell their Kurdish minority the same? Or do they try to discourage Kurdish terrorism?

    • LOL: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  23. As ever Cockburn, the establishment hack, regurgitates the establishment vomit.
    Using official figures, COVID-19 has killed 55,000 people in the UK.
    Hong Kong Flu ( 1968-69) killed 80,000 . Adjusted for population growth, that would be 99,000 at 2020 figures.
    Spanish Flu (1918-20) killed 250,000 people. At 2020 figures that would be 410,00 people.
    It is unlikely that COVID-19 will be as virulent as Hong Kong Flu, never mind Spanish Flu. Whilst more virulent than seasonal Flu – usually 20,000 + deaths every winter in the UK – it is still not a major health risk.

    No special measures were taken for Hong Kong Flu. So why grotesque overreaction to this minor health problem? Why the Draconian restrictions on Freedom of Association and everyday life? Not that things are not much worse abroad – as the madhouse that is Melbourne attests.

    The drastic effect of all of this on economic life is very apparent. Nearly all Western economies will collapse into Depression as a result. So why are Western governments acting in an irrational manner which will collapse their economies? If they think they can enforce a Great Reset, they are delusional. The enforcement apparatus of western countries – military, reservists and police – just isn’t big enough. Also, many soldiers and others will be unwilling to enforce what is so plainly unpopular.
    Already, this is meeting great popular resistance. After 9 days of protests, the Danish Government withdrew its plans for compulsory vaccination. Expect more of this in all Western counties in the very near future.

  24. Ugetit says:
    @botazefa

    There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that masks prevent the transmission of respiratory viruses.

    Rufus, there is evidence that people who have infectious respiratory disease can protect infection of others by wearing a mask.

    The man clearly stated “viruses” and you changed it to “disease.” That means you are arguing something different. Not good.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  25. BuelahMan says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Alas! Here comes the (((tribe))).

  26. The only good thing that corona masks do is to shield our eyes from ugly people. The religious-like belief that they stop viruses is faith by the feeble minded who trust that government really cares about them. These same people faithfully watch and believe everything that CNN, MSNBC and Fox and act on their every pronouncement that orange man bad, corona mask good, Biden won the election fair and kiddy porn was put on Hunter Biden’s laptop by Republicans.

    • Agree: Getaclue
  27. botazefa says:
    @Ugetit

    The man clearly stated “viruses” and you changed it to “disease.” That means you are arguing something different. Not good.

    I’m talking about viral respiratory infections. Masking infectious people is effective. The links Rufus provided in his response to me support my statement and contradict his.

  28. Getaclue says:
    @RoatanBill

    A new study, like the 40 before it, just showed the Masks are basically useless — this writer is clueless as to this? They actually can cause infection — they are about control and submission and nothing else — props. WHO is a NWO Organization that does nothing for the health of humanity but much for the Oligarchs/Big Pharma/Gates etc. who actually run it — every time I read this writer here I wonder that he is so out of touch with reality…– does he get paid for this?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  29. @utu

    utu,

    Since influenza cases are down because of the measures instituted against Covid-19 (masks, distancing, etc.) but Covid cases are still high or rising, it would imply that Covid-19 is a lot more contagious than influenza. Or that many, or most, influenza cases are being diagnosed as Covid-19 because of the tests which may not be highly specific or reliable. After all they now tests almost everyone with flu like symptoms for Covid-19 but hardly anyone for influenza.

    • Replies: @utu
  30. @Getaclue

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. – Isaac Asimov

    Most people have no science background so they can’t think about topics in scientific terms. To the average person, almost everything appears magical. The author of this article appears to be scientifically illiterate.

    The holes in an N95 mask appear as wide as the Grand Canyon to a virus particle. The assumption is that virus are bound up in fluid that will get trapped by a mask, but exhalation will eventually sputter the moisture and the virus into the environment where the moisture will evaporate leaving the particle to float on the breeze.

    I use N95 and better masks all the time when cleaning steel for welding projects because the filth produced is of a size that the masks will capture and hold. No one can say that a mask will capture and hold virus particles either during inhalation or exhalation.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Sparkon
  31. @Verymuchalive

    No special measures were taken for Hong Kong Flu. So why grotesque overreaction to this minor health problem?

    But they can claim that without the special measures the deaths due to Covid-19 would be much higher. Note utu’s comment #19 about the reduced incidence of influenza which is being ascribed to masks and other measures. If this is true, then the incidence of Covid-10 would have been much higher too if not for the measures.

    The drastic effect of all of this on economic life is very apparent. Nearly all Western economies will collapse into Depression as a result. So why are Western governments acting in an irrational manner which will collapse their economies?

    Maybe the economy was already collapsing and they just decided to blame a virus and the emergency measures for it instead of the bankrupt capitalist system that has long been on life-support of increasing debt and printing of fake money. Hell they don’t even need to print it any more but just add zeros to some numbers in a computer data base at the Federal Reserve. How much longer can they go on doing this? I don’t know. Maybe forever. Or maybe they think they can’t and hence talk of a “reset” blamed on a pandemic instead of the system based on the insane concept of “permanent growth” in a finite system of finite resources. And perhaps it was the growing global population that sustained that economic “growth”, and the capitalist system definitely encouraged the growth in the number of consumers of its products, but no more can do and hence the pandemic, reset, vaccines, lockdowns, and whatever else next to cut down that population by any means necessary which I assume a true rest would require. Of course nuclear war would be the quickest and most effective way of cutting down the population, but countries with the highest population growth are mostly not armed with nukes and would be outside such a conflict between nuclear superpowers. Hence biowarfare aimed at everybody. Although this Covid-19 in itself is not of much use in lowering population numbers, especially as it’s mostly cutting down those already nearing the end of their lives. Maybe it’s just a way to get people used to what is yet to come out of their secret laboratories. It’s too much of a shock to hit you straight away with the potent stuff … maybe later on. We’ll just have to wait and see what else they’ve got in store for us.

    Already, this is meeting great popular resistance. After 9 days of protests, the Danish Government withdrew its plans for compulsory vaccination. Expect more of this in all Western counties in the very near future.

    Don’t forget this is all part of boiling the frog. With this pandemic thing they seem to have raise the temperature suddenly to boiling point but they don’t mind lowering it a little or more if they have to only to raise it again some more later on.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  32. @botazefa

    How many ways can you fail to grasp the concepts involved here? The PSU citation isn’t about masks? Astounding given the title and substance of the study:
    “Do N95 respirators provide 95% protection level against airborne viruses, and how adequate are surgical masks?”
    How do you get past that? Again, you were apparently too lazy to actually read the studies. However, the conclusions in no way support your claim that masks prevent transmission of respiratory viruses. The same statements that you either failed to read or understand in my initial post serve to explain why this is so. The 8% of particles that escape N95 respirators contain more than enough virus to infect people indoors in conditions of low absolute humidity. This is why there is not a single scientific study that demonstrated that using masks as source control could prevent such transmission.
    Not only do particle amounts with virus content sufficient to produce infection escape even the most effective masks, masks produce greater levels of aerosolized <5um particles. These smaller particles resist sedimentation to which larger particles are subject, essentially constituting the ideal infection vector for such viruses.
    Reading takes work, and it's clear that you are more than willing to exercise your right not to do that work. Keep up the good non-work!

  33. peterike says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Magnificent article as always Mr. Cockburn, you are a breath of fresh air in this smog cloud of COVID-denialism

    Are you one of those idiots that goes on Gov. Cuomo’s Twitter feed to tell him what a great job he’s doing?

  34. peterike says:
    @utu

    Data show that in 2020 flu cases are at historic low because of wide spread masking due to Covid-19.

    Or Covid is simply displacing the flu virus. The historic lows are close to zero in many places. To suggest this is due to masking is idiotic.

  35. @RoatanBill

    Curious to see you lump yourself in with the collective “most people” who have no science background. The filtration matrix in an N95 respirator contains an electrostatically charged layer that traps particles through an electrokinetic effect.
    Neverthless, N95 respirators are useless as source control for respiratory viruses because they still permit the dispersal of some 8% of aerosolized particles that contain viruses. The particles are not single virions floating on the breeze.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  36. @Supply and Demand

    What, precisely, is “COVID-denialism”?

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  37. @Rufus Clyde

    I’m well aware of how it works and how the electrostatic effect wears off the longer the mask is worn. Ultimately it boils down to does the particle fit past the holes. If you’ve ever sweated enough to soak an N95 mask, you know damned well that exhalation sputters stuff through the mask. Any electrostatic effect can’t compare with the kinetic force.

    I’ve run into you before and your snide assumptive tactics aren’t appreciated.

  38. If particles are subject to an electrostatic effect then it doesn’t just boil down to whether or not the particle will fit past the holes.
    Project much?

  39. Getaclue says:
    @utu

    There is zero Scientific evidence as to Masking — there are authoritarians spouting off as to them but the actual Scientific Studies — 40 in all plus the new Danish one — clearly find very little value as to them and that they can in fact cause infections. Why do people keep pushing this utter garbage as some kind of proven fact when it is not?

    As to “anti-vaxxers” — some people are not stupid enough to believe the utter bs of Big Pharma — people who state they don’t want aborted baby parts injected in them, Chimp DNA, heavy metals, and all the other crap that is in them are some how “unreasonable” — this sliming has all been a well paid for campaign of by Big Pharma that many useful idiots mirroring your post have picked up on and spread. Big Pharma has been given complete immunity for all injuries and deaths due to their poisons — tells you all you need to know.

    If you want to stick Gates’ needle in your arm do it (any decent research will show you his “vaccine” Agenda has reintroduced Polio in several countries and he had a sterilization Agent put into one that hurt approximately 500,000 or more in Africa, many people killed in India also by his vaccines — quite a guy with his bs Foundation “Charity” that is actually half owned by his Family Trust while the other half feeds it by investments etc. — he has doubled his wealth since he started the phony “giving” bs) — don’t try and force others to do so with bs sliming techniques put out by Big Pharma death pushers.

    As to the WHO — they have ZERO credibility as to anything — the head of it is a Marxist Communist Revolutionary according to his own country that thinks very poorly of him and his past violent activities — any missing flu cases can surely be found as “Covid” now — along with car crash deaths, suicides, and I read even some guy who drank himself to death was stated as “death by Covid 19” — the fact you want to believe all this bs reflects on you not on the informed and reasonable people who don’t….All of this is a part of the Globalist NWO “Great Reset” Agenda and they have not even tried to hide that fact — as the World Economic Forum Creep Klaus Shwaub pimps it — including their video where they tell you that by 2030 after they are done with the Covid Hoax you will “own nothing and be happy” — you — not Klaus et al they plan on owning everything, people like you help them with this Agenda — Wake Up maybe?

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @utu
  40. @Commentator Mike

    But they can claim that without the special measures the deaths due to Covid-19 would be much higher. Note utu’s comment #19 about the reduced incidence of influenza which is being ascribed to masks and other measures. If this is true, then the incidence of Covid-10 would have been much higher too if not for the measures.

    This is not true, as the number of deaths in countries like Belarus and Japan, which did not impose Lockdown or other restrictive measures, is very much lower. Only an ignorant or brainwashed individual would claim so. But, so many in western countries fall into this category. You and I who look at the evidence know that it is rubbish. The morons who watch MSM repeatedly, do not.

    Don’t forget this is all part of boiling the frog. With this pandemic thing they seem to have raise the temperature suddenly to boiling point but they don’t mind lowering it a little or more if they have to only to raise it again some more later on.

    The globalists who control these countries may think they can get away with this. But, as I mentioned, we’re already seeing pushback. I am hopeful that the reaction will come very shortly.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  41. Getaclue says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    A moronic term that useful idiot losers who are helping WEF head Creep Klaus Schwaub and the other NWO “Elite” institute their “Great Reset” Agenda toss around — like “Conspiracy Theory” — as if there are no conspiracies…same type of fool

  42. Getaclue says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It’s now called “Covid 19” — just like car crash deaths, suicides etc. — I even saw where some guy drank himself to death and on the Death Certificate? “Covid 19” — the Flu according to the health “experts” is gone — they are nothing more than NWO con artists using the CVirus Hoax to set up the “Great Reset” NWO Agenda

  43. @Just another serf

    Paul Craig Roberts has his own diagnostics now? Cool.

  44. @Verymuchalive

    This is not true, as the number of deaths in countries like Belarus and Japan, which did not impose Lockdown or other restrictive measures, is very much lower.

    Comparisons between different countries are difficult: if you look at deaths per 1M population you’ll see that China, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore and some other countries that are near the bottom of the list did go through some form of lockdown and mask wearing phase. I hear that in many, if not most, parts of China there were never any lockdowns and that they were imposed only in Wuhan and some other badly affected regions. And many people in the Far East used to wear masks anyway even before this and I guess many more would have now adopted them regardless of what the science says about their efficiency.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  45. utu says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “…cases are still high or rising…” – Because we are not doing enough. This epidemic could have been quashed in 2 months with timely lockdown, universal masking and smart testing and tracking and obviously by closing borders and having all incoming traffic subject to strict quarantine.

    “it would imply that Covid-19 is a lot more contagious than influenza” – It is believed that shedding of virus lasts much longer for covid. Reproduction number R0 for covid is higher than 2. Some estimates for initial Wuhan outbreak had R0>4. While for flu median R0 is 1.28.

    Estimates of the reproduction number for seasonal, pandemic, and zoonotic influenza: a systematic review of the literature
    https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2334-14-480

    Or that many, or most, influenza cases are being diagnosed as Covid-19 because of the tests which may not be highly specific or reliable. . – Only in theory and paranoid overactive imagination. The viruses are very different. The sequence fragments used in RT-PCR tests do not match each other.

  46. utu says:
    @Getaclue

    “There is zero Scientific evidence as to Masking” – There is plenty of evidence:

    Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks. Update August 4, 2020.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v5

    Face Masks, Public Policies and Slowing the Spread of COVID-19: Evidence from Canada (October 16, 2020)
    Alexander Karaivanov, Shih En Lu, Hitoshi Shigeoka, Cong Chen, Stephanie Pamplona
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.24.20201178v2

    Slight reduction in SARS-CoV-2 exposure viral load due to masking results in a significant reduction in transmission with widespread implementation https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.13.20193508v2.full.pdf

    Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer (Jul 2020)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393808/

    Facial Masking for Covid-19 — Potential for “Variolation” as We Await a Vaccine, The New England Journal of Medicine
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMp2026913?articleTools=true

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7185834/
    Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks, ACS Nano. 2020 Apr 24

    Influenza Virus Aerosols in Human Exhaled Breath: Particle Size, Culturability, and Effect of Surgical Masks
    https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003205

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  47. @Commentator Mike

    I did not mention these countries. Finland (pop 5,5m ) has had 384 deaths – it had a form of lockdown. Belarus (9.5m ) 1,104 deaths – no Lockdown. Japan ( 126m) has had 1,981 deaths – no Lockdown.
    Japan’s figures are obviously the most superior of the lot. It shut its airports to flights from China and countries with connections to China. Belarus and Finland more or less did the same.
    Forget about masks and vaccines, shut the f****** airports straight away.

    • Replies: @utu
  48. @Twodees Partain

    Yep, Twodees, Cockburn is a wreck of a journalist. But we have the technology, we can rebuild him. We will transform him into the world’s first $6m dollar newst**t. Twit doesn’t do justice to this man’s capabilities!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  49. ivan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Exactly . Well said and the best comment so far. Only by hacking through can we hope to return to normality. These same people who pave the way for more government control, more of rule by so-called experts, are to no ones surprise the same people who wonder : How did Stalin get away with it? How did Hitler get away with it? How did the Catholic Church ban Galileo? Well wonder no more, we are seeing in real-time how slaves are taught to love their chains.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  50. utu says:
    @Verymuchalive

    You just do not appreciate what is really going and what work countries like Finland and Japan and Taiwan are putting into it. First of all you have to have low infection rate. Then the effective and comprehensive tracking and testing of contacts and quarantining is possible. Lockdowns are to bring down the infection rate to a manageable level. Countries like Poland and Czech Republic had the first wave coming later than the in the Western Europe. They had lockdowns and universal masking (particularly in Czech Republic) and succeed quashing the numbers to almost negligible level. And then they squandered it because instead of doing tracking and testing as Finland and Japan is doing they thought it was over and totally relaxed in summer months and then they were hit with huge 2nd wave in September and October.

    Obviously shutting down airport and closing borders which Czech Republic and Poland did is important but if you have a raging epidemic within the country as Italy and Belgium had it is too late.

  51. @utu

    The reasons that the countries you mention had lower death rates, and Belarus too, is they closed their airports to flights from China and connections very early.
    But the most important point, as I made elsewhere, is that COVID-19 is a minor health threat. No special measures are needed.
    In the last hundred years, the Earth’s population has risen sharply. Estimates for 1920 are about 1.9bn, for 1969 about 3.6bn and for 2020 about 7.8bn.

    Spanish Flu ( 1918-20) killed, by the most extreme estimates, between 17m to 50m people. Most estimates are between 20m to 30m, which I will take as the basis of my calculations.
    Adjusted for population growth, that is 82m to 123m at 2020 figures.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    Hong Kong Flu ( 1968-69) is estimated to have killed between 1m and 4m people. Most estimates are in between, so say about 2.5m people. Again, adjusted for population growth, that would be 5.5m at 2020 levels.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

    COVID-19 has by official figures killed a mere 1.4m people. While it is more virulent than Seasonal Flu, it is nowhere near as virulent as Hong Kong Flu, never mind Spanish Flu. No special measures were taken for the last two, and no special measures should have been taken for this.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

    The measures taken by Western Governments re COVID-19 have been, almost without exception, irrational, Draconian and likely to collapse their economies. Indeed, many people speculate that economic collapse is the aim of these policies. Then there is to be some supposed Great Reset. If this is the case, then Western politicos are truly deluded.
    The enforcement apparatus ( military, police ) of Western states is not big enough to enforce a Reset. Even now, it is facing serious pushback in places like Denmark and Germany. This will only increase over time. When asked to enforce plainly unpopular and stupid policies, many soldiers will not comply.

  52. @utu

    Japan already had an efficient contact tracing service that was used for any infectious disease. That’s what made them different to everybody else. The other successful countries tried to get community transmission down to zero before relaxing. That’s what Australia and New Zealand have done.

    You’ll always get re-infection from outside after eliminating community transmission but it’s pointless to do half the work and then let it all start up again from a large base. A tiny re-infection doesn’t overwhelm tracing and leaves you with a chance to win again in a small area while the rest of the country operates normally. Quarantine for known arrivals certainly helps but you’ll get some infections if the staff don’t receive emergency vaccinations.

    It’s not a good idea to destroy the economy repeatedly and build up huge debts if it can be avoided. [email protected]

    • Agree: utu
  53. @Verymuchalive

    Ahhhh, thank you. Fortunately I am old enough to remember the bionic rebuilding program that produced the 6 Million Dollar Man. I have been using it to restore my old pickup truck and had forgotten that it was developed for humanoids.

    Allowing for inflation, the new cost will be closer to 14 million, and we have to decide whether to spend that amount on a project such as the Cockburn Miracle Restoration.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  54. @Rufus Clyde

    Mr. Clyde, my conclusions are nearly an exact match for yours, but I also concluded that the ridiculous magical mask solution was entirely fitting as a means of protection from the imaginary virus.

    Please carry on with your flogging of the zefa ‘bot. It’s very entertaining to witness.

  55. Sparkon says:
    @RoatanBill

    The holes in an N95 mask appear as wide as the Grand Canyon to a virus particle. The assumption is that virus are bound up in fluid that will get trapped by a mask, but exhalation will eventually sputter the moisture and the virus into the environment where the moisture will evaporate leaving the particle to float on the breeze.

    You have expressed a couple misconceptions about the scale of the virus and the “holes” in the mask.

    Image: UWBL

    This scanning electron microscope image of an individual cotton thread shows that it is comprised of several dozen individual cotton fibers forming a tight bundle about 250 μm in diameter.

    However one looks at the thread, it should be obvious that its fibers are much bigger than the spaces or gaps between them, meaning that a random 100 nm particle has a much greater chance of hitting a cotton fiber than it does of slipping between them. If the virus does happen to slip between two fibers on the outside of the thread, it still must evade every other fiber in the bundle comprising the thread to pass through it.

    The virus is about 0.125 μm in diameter, while the individual fibers in the thread are about 10-25 μm, or up to 200 times broader than the individual SARS-CoV-2 virus, and the threads themselves range up to 720 μm in the images here, meaning each strand of thick thread is over 5000 times wider than an individual coronavirus.

    This second SEM image below shows the weave of a cotton fabric. Note that two different threads are used, one thinner than the other and twisted. This fabric might be from a dress shirt. My reusable, 3-layer, cotton face masks from Hanes have an entirely different, seemingly much denser weave, so the fabric’s weave in this photo is probably not representational of the fabrics used in masks or t-shirts, but is good enough to illustrate the point and support my argument.

    Cotton fabric, 40x

    Image: Todd Simpson, courtesy of ZEISS Microscopy on Flickr

    The largest threads here are about 700 μm. Any gaps are primarily between individual threads in this particular weave, but most of the image is comprised of the threads, or yarns, making up the fabric. In other words, there is much more of the fabric’s fibers and threads in the way blocking passage, than there are holes or gaps between the fibers of the thread or the threads of the weave, where a virus might sneak through. The few bigger gaps in the first layer of fabric would likely be blocked by the fibers and threads in the second and third layers.

    Rather than sailing through the Grand Canyon, the SARS-CoV-2 virus seeking passage through a layered cotton mask encounters a dense forest of obstacles.

    The USMC and DANMASK studies are worthless, as participants in these studies did not wear masks at all times.

    Face facts. Masks work.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  56. @Sparkon

    The map is not the territory. – Alfred Korzybski

    What happens in a lab isn’t necessarily what happens in real life.

    I wear N95 and better for inhalation protection when working on dirty steel. I don’t care about exhalation so I usually purchase N95 with the exhaust valve option to make breathing easier. The exhaust valves are specifically prohibited under the Covid guidelines.

    I once mistakenly purchased N95 without the exhaust valve. Breathing was very hard once the work got serious. I noticed that on exhalation, I could feel the breeze on my eyeballs because the surface of the mask was wet and exhalation pressure pushed air out from under the edges of the mask, not through it.

    N95 masks are hard to get for me now, so I purchased a full face shield : Honeywell North 7600 Series Niosh-Approved Full Facepiece Silicone Respirator, Med/Large (760008A) from Amazon along with filters.

    Most people aren’t wearing N95 masks. We now have designer masks and masks with folds at the edges hung over the ears that make little attempt to conform to the face. I also see masks with no nose adjustment, meaning air is free to go in and out along the nose. Lots of people wear their mask with their nose sticking out completely.

    In a hospital setting where rooms are so cold that sweating is near impossible and N95 or better masks are worn, they may do some good because the electrostatic effect can last under those conditions. On the street or in places where average people gather with their trash non N95 masks they are just fooling themselves but they are legit according to the rules. That alone should tell you that the rules don’t care about protection, just submission by the sheeple.

  57. @Twodees Partain

    If Sleepy Joe and Kamala Willie-Watcher fail to perform adequately, then the “Democrats” must rebuild Hillary for the 2024 election.
    So Sleepy Joe could be replaced by the Lesbionic Woman.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
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  58. @botazefa

    You do realize Sweden has admitted their technique hasnt worked and now implemented social restrictions – right?
    East Asia has done much better than the west has. What do you attribute it to?

    • Replies: @botazefa
  59. @Commentator Mike

    Yeah I wondered that too. There are more Uighurs in China than Muslims in the US – UK – France combined. None of the three would have tolerated so many terror attacks…. And they all required the children to speak the national language and their parents to have jobs. Now France in response to the most recent attacks has stated they plan to train Muslim clergy. So what is the difference?

    But he does have a point. They couldn’t (and can’t) show that China is basically back to full speed socially and economically – because then the demonization of China wont work well.

  60. @Verymuchalive

    The air and the water was filthy in the UK in the 1960’s. Air pollution killed lots of people back then. It wouldnt be tolerated now. If there were no precautions at all Covid would certainly kill a whole lot more. On the flip side the so called Spanish flu of 1918 would kill less today. For reasons of technology and hygenie etc. Even nutrition is a factor in comparison. So it is not a simple comparison as why one disease is deadlier than another. But Covid is no average flu. Even people that dont die – many have long lasting effects.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  61. @Showmethereal

    I have outlined the facts so far as they can be ascertained in comment #52. Please read.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  62. @Verymuchalive

    If so, they’d better hurry before she’s past rebuilding. She looks to be on her last legs already.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  63. botazefa says:
    @Showmethereal

    You do realize Sweden has admitted their technique hasnt worked and now implemented social restrictions – right?

    No, I’m not aware of that. Do you have a reference? I know that Sweden had been critical of how they’d handled elderly care homes but nothing about aoxial restrictuons.

    East Asia has done much better than the west has. What do you attribute it to?

    Sub Saharan Africa is doing much ‘better’ than the West and Asia. What do you attribute it to?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  64. @utu

    Thanks for keeping up to date with the literature. It’ll take a while to digest all this, if I get around to it. These studies seem to contradict that earlier most comprehensive review of worldwide studies over the past 70 years that found no impact of masks on influenza in indoor settings. I think we discussed that paper here on UR a few months ago, as did some others, but I can’t dig it up easily.

  65. @botazefa

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/04/sweden-restrictions-winter-covid-cases-rising/

    As to your question – part of it is that the virus doesn’t appear to like the heat as much. But I can tell you specifically why countries in the Caribbean overall are doing much better. Look at a tiny developing country like Jamaica. They take contact tracing seriously… And they even use technology to do it.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  66. Limey Leftard Cockburn spewing horseshit again, I see.

    Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

    Covid is simply another influenza that is being used by Globalist/Leftist ratfilth and their ChiCom pals to further demoralize people and destroy the economies of Western nations.

    The only cure for mindfucked Leftist trash like Cockburn, Supply and Demand, Corvinus and John Plywood etc… is war hammer to the brain.

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  67. botazefa says:
    @showmethereal

    The Fortune article you linked to describes a Swedish approach that is pretty much the same as before. What seems to have changed is that they are making recommendations for their to practice some social distancing. No legal mandates yet.

    My ‘gut’ tells me that in countries with strapped budgets, money can only be spent to test people with actual symptoms. The result of less testing is lower case counts.

    Not sure if heat affects the virus, but I wouldn’t bet against it. For the flu virus – it is most active in the winter. The theories I’ve seen for this is that winter pushes people close together indoors. Also, perhaps lower humidity is better for virus survival and heat conditioned air is drier; as is cool conditioned air.

    • Replies: @JasonT
    , @showmethereal
  68. JasonT says:
    @botazefa

    “The result of less testing is lower case counts. ”

    This is correct. I will add that the rtPCR test being used is only supposed to be used AFTER the person exhibits symptoms in order to determine what virus is causing the symptoms to better guide treatment options.

    Using the rtPCR test on asymptomatic people at cycle times over 30, as most countries are doing, guarantees an inflated ‘posiitve’ count because:
    1. Cycling PCR over 20 times will always amplify some small piece of a polynucleic acid and therefore give a false positive very often,
    2. The rtPCR test is not specific for SARS-CoV-2 virus,
    3. No sequencing of the amplified sequence is being done to confirm that what is amplified is the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  69. Well, this author does get one thing right, the Wuhan virus has probably helped the nationalist populist cause in general, but thanks to unfortunate timing and Trump’s clumsiness, it worked against the current government in the US.

    Trump was on course for re-election in February, but thanks to his clumsy PR over the virus issue, he ended up snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. In fairness there was probably little he could actually do to lower cases much, given the de-centralised and fractious nature of the US political system, and there is little to suggest the open borders, BLM tolerating Democrats would have done much better. However, the Dems ran a much better PR line and at least gave the impression that they were more serious about containing it.

    The takeaway for populist nationalists is that we need to take PR on major health care issues seriously, since a high proportion of our supporters are elderly and even right-leaning women voters are often left-leaning on health care. Trump thought he could win purely on his economic successes and modest progress with reducing illegal immigration, but that wasn’t enough to win and hold independents and small c conservatives.

  70. botazefa says:
    @JasonT

    Thank you for confirming my suspicion!

  71. @botazefa

    Correct – there are no legal mandates yet – but there is an absolute admission that their method hasn’t been working. Those are pretty strong recommendations…

  72. @Verymuchalive

    I read what you wrote… But that doesn’t negate what I said. For instance – plane travel didn’t exist as it does now in 1918. Air travel isn’t as much of the issue. Humans died of Cholera more readily then do. Conditions in human society are much improved. We can’t say for sure that if this virus happened in 1918 that it wouldn’t have been as deadly.

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