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“Nativism … xenophobia or worse” is behind the triumph of Brexit and the support for Donald Trump, railed President Barack Obama in Ottawa.

Obama believes that resistance to transformational change in the character and identity of countries of the West, from immigration, can only be the product of sick minds or sick hearts.

According to The New York Times, he will spend the last months of his presidency battling “the nativism and nationalism” of Trump and “Britain’s Brexiteers.”

Prediction: Obama will fail. For rising ethnonationalism and militarization of frontiers is baked in the cake, if the West wishes to remain the West.

Behind that prediction lie the startling figures of the U.N.’s “World Population 2015” chart, which just arrived.

Consider but a few of those figures.

Between now and 2050, Europe will lose 32 million people. Not one European nation has a fertility rate — 2.1 children per woman — sufficient to keep it alive. A quarter of all Europeans are 60 or older.

The tribes that created the West are passing away.

Contrast Europe with Africa, just across the Mediterranean.

Between now and 2050, Africa will add 1.3 billion people, to reach 2.4 billion in 2050. Then its population will double again, to 4.4 billion, by 2100.

Only 5 percent of Africans are 60 or older, while 41 percent of Africans are 15 or younger.

Given the tyranny, destitution and disease that afflict Africa, what — other than barriers, border guards and warships — is there to stop tens of millions of young African men from crossing over in coming decades to fill the empty spaces left by dying Europeans?

The Arab-Muslim population of North Africa alone, from the western Sahara and Morocco to Egypt and Sudan, will add 130 million people in 35 years. Egypt will add 60 million, to reach a population of 151 million by 2050.

Yet Egypt will still have only the fifth-highest population of Muslims, behind Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India.

While impossible to find a Western country with a fertility rate that will prevent its native-born people from dying off, it is difficult to find a Muslim country that does not boast a rising or exploding population.

If the future belongs to the young, it belongs to Asians, Africans and Latin Americans, and it belongs to Islam.

Eastern Europe presents the grimmest picture in Europe.

Between now and 2050, Poland will lose 5 million people; Ukraine almost 10 million; and Russia 15 million. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will see one-sixth of their combined population disappear.

Such losses are comparable to those of World War II.

In percentage terms, Ukraine will suffer most. By midcentury, its population will have shrunk by 21 percent, to 35 million. Is this not a graver matter than whose flag flies over Crimea?

The bleakest prospects belong to Japan, home to some of the most capable, industrious and advanced people on earth.

Between now and 2050, Japan will lose 19 million people and see its population fall to 107 million. A third of the nation is already 60 or older. Only 1 in 7 Japanese are under 16.

Japanese are the oldest people on earth. In coming decades, a large slice of Japan’s population will be working to support health care, pensions and welfare for the aged, infirm and dying.

And the United States?

With Mexico and Central America adding 56 million people in 35 years, either the U.S. secures its southern border or the 11-12 million immigrants here illegally will have millions of new compatriots.

America is already evolving into another country.

Though the U.S. is projected to grow by 67 million people in 35 years, this growth will be wholly among Hispanics, Asians and African-Americans. In each of the past four years, non-Hispanic white Americans have registered more deaths than births.

Between July 2014 and July 2015, the Asian-American population grew by 3.4 percent, and the Hispanic population grew 2.2 percent. The black population was up 1.3 percent. But the white population grew by only 0.1 percent.

White America has begun to die.

Can Obama really believe that amnesty for undocumented immigrants is still in the cards with a Republican Congress scorched by the forces behind Trump?

Can he believe that the right-wing parties proliferating across Europe, which see their nations imperiled by a rising tide of Muslim immigrants and refugees, will pack it in and support the EU’s march to a transnational superstate that controls immigration and borders?

What has been tabled for discussion this year, in Europe and America, is the future of the West as an identifiable civilization to be cherished and defended by the peoples whose ancestors created it.

And Obama’s reverence for Islam notwithstanding, the West remains the greatest civilization of them all.

Belatedly, Western Man appears to have decided to defend the shire, pull up the drawbridge, and man the parapets on the castle walls.

As for Trumpism and the Brexiteers, Mr. President, in the words of Jimmy Durante, “you ain’t seen nothing yet.”

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. Obama believes that resistance to transformational change in the character and identity of countries of the West, from immigration, can only be the product of sick minds or sick hearts.

    Just like it must be for a very non-sick minds and hearts, Obama has nationalistic and ethnicistic/racialist interests in his mind and heart. It’s just that the nation in his mind and heart isn’t the USA, and the ethnicities/races aren’t the American ones.

    He’s doing what he should do, evolutionarily speaking; he fighting to turn the country where he lives in a country for “his people”. Others aren’t any more.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  2. What has been tabled for discussion this year, in Europe and America, is the future of the West as an identifiable civilization to be cherished and defended by the peoples whose ancestors created it.

    And Obama’s reverence for Islam notwithstanding, the West remains the greatest civilization of them all.

    Belatedly, Western Man appears to have decided to defend the shire, pull up the drawbridge, and man the parapets on the castle walls.

    You yourself say that in order for it to be defended it needs to be cherished. Well, it’s loathed.

    2) It’s a little hard to sort civilizations by ranking. In the 20th century alone, the West produced Communism and Bolshevism, the idea that all but one race were inferior and to be expunged from the world (at least, from the West), and then, in its late stage, financialism and marketism. It’s a wide lot of totalitarianisms, and totalitarianisms do not accept limits in either ambition and violence.

    You could mention Ariosto, Bach, Shakespeare, and 1,000 more… but what of this did the West produce in the last 100 years? If you look at “contemporary” music and figurative arts, it’s a grey landscape filled with aimless angst. The consequential fruit of nihilism.

    Similarly, we see a progression toward more freedom and real equality from the end of the Middle Ages to the end of the 19th century. Then, the 20th century only went towards widening the gap between rulers and ruled (while, of course, the former stated the very contrary), and today we are in a patently post-democratic world (currently, we are under the totalitarian rule of marketism. They feign a cheerful and amicable attitude to their subjects, unless in cases like the Brexit referendum, when even the mask slips…)

    Where did you see the Western man decided to defend himself? I see it more committed than ever to suicide.

  3. Hispanics are not the “West”? Bizarre definition of “West”. Besides which the racial considerations are blatantly delusional. A black can be more “Westerner” than any white. It has nothing to do with skin color. Just put Clinton next to Powell or Rice, for example.

    Anyway.

    The “West” will be around. It has the arsenal. A glance at history should be sufficient explanation.

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why is so-called diversity and mass immigration mandated for ALL white populations and ONLY white populations?

    Is open borders the White ‘Privilege’?

    A 100% black country or area is diverse. 100% brown is diverse too. But 60% white “needs diversity”. White places will be officially diverse enough when all of the white people are gone.

    If diversity is such a strength, why is this “gift” given to European populations only, when there are so many non-white places that “need” it much more?

    Diversity means chasing down the last white person.

    Is this not targeting a racial group for destruction, whole or in part? Is this not White Genocide?

    Imagine if Hitler became an avowed antiracist and dedicated himself to bringing “diversity” and “antiracism” to Israel and ONLY Israel? How would that be interpreted?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Wally
  5. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:

    “Nativism … xenophobia or worse”

    Funny. People like Obama would have cheered for the anti-colonial struggles of the Third World that sought to wrest control back from the Western Imperialists.
    People like him cheered for Vietnamese patriots against US ‘imperialism’ during the Vietnam War. And Obama claims to have opposed the globo-agenda of US invasion of Iraq. (But then, he later bombed and destroyed Libya and Syria.)

    It goes to show that Globalism is worldwide Jewish-Homo Imperialism. Elite Mulattoes take part in it cuz they have a stake as agents. And Latino elites, so envious of Anglo achievements over Latin ones in Mexico and South America, are working with the GLOB to destroy yanqui and gringo. It’s motivated by envy. Weasly Latino Conquistador elites never admit that they achieved less cuz of their backwardness and lack of vision and because they ruled over darkie hordes than breeding more white people. They pretend to be ‘people of color’ and act like ‘victims’ of gringo.

    Just like Western Imperialists once attributed Third World aspirations for independence to dark ‘barbaric’ or ‘savage’ impulses, the globo-imperialists(and Obama is nothing but their mouthpiece) are shaming and batting down the liberationist dreams of white people who want their nations back.

    White people want to be INDEPENDENT of their globalist masters. But for this to be possible, white people must stop wasting time on fears of Sharia and name the real globo-masters: Jewish Supremacists, Homo-Imperialists, and white traitor-collaborators who are engineering the total invasion of Western lands and total muddying of the blood.

    But because the GLOB controls education and pop culture, so many white people have been brainwashed by PC. White Independence Movement must fight or try to convert back the white cucks who’ve been turned against their own people. But then, Third World liberation warriors also had to fight the collaborators. Vietnam Independence Movement was against not just against the French and US but South Vietnam whore-dogs of the foreign empires.
    In every Third World nation, there were plenty of ‘turned’ collaborator natives who served the Western Imperialists. They were like Vichy Frenchmen who sided with German occupiers. Trudeau is the quisling of Globalism. Just look at that man-child.

    Isn’t it interesting that Obama never demands of Israel what he demands of white nations. He is taking orders from his Jewish masters.

    Brexit is a War of Independence. All white nations must be made independent of globalism, Jewish supremacism, homo degenerate imperialism, and vile feminism.

    Only then can the nation be saved.

    Name the enemy and name them properly .

    People like Omar Mateen didn’t invade the US. They were allowed by globalist system implemented by the GLOB.

    It’s White Independents vs GLOB overlords and their darkie hordes and white cuck-laborators.

  6. I’d have no problem seeing our amnesties overturned, having the 1965 immigration act declared undemocratic and illegal, having the beneficiaries of those acts stripped of citizenship, and also having the architects and enforcers that are still alive severely punished. I’m all for turning the clock back to 1964. My wish to undo what was done is no more radical than what was done.

    • Agree: Ace
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  7. Erdo says:

    Well Pat is right offcourse. Why would people hand over their countries to people with an entirely alien culture just because globalists want a borderless world because globalists are only interested in wealth created by milking other peoples’ labor who are seen no better than cattle. As long as globalists are king of the world and protected by their own private armies they don’t care how plebs are doing. On the other hand world of Europeans will collapse around them and their children will be bullied or even be slaved by new comers who hate Westerners for what Westerners did to their ancestors. That’s one of the problem.

    The other is removal of natural limits to breeding. Does anyone think African population can grow to 3 billion if all Africans continue to live in Africa. I don’t think so, as they will deplete all resources necessary to support such a large population long before then, resulting in famine and wars for depleted resources. This in turn will limit maximum population Africa can have in the future. Making sure people live with the consequences of their own choices is essentially a fair thing to do. This is the second problem.

    So what will happen? In the past huge movement of people created havoc all around the known world. Roman Empire collapsed because of that. Can it happen again? Probably, but I think this time it will be a much more bloody to sort this one out. No doubt about that. I think we are living in really interesting times as history is made once again.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
  8. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Berta Arnason

    We reject abstract proposition state “nationalism”…And so do you…You want to race-replace the Native European population of Europe and the US with highly racialized nonwhites…and then use force and violence to make this a permanent state of affairs.

    We don’t intend to be softie pushovers for your very nasty and very degenerate political agenda.

  9. Marcus says:

    I’m not as optimistic, almost everyone I talk to gives the usual programmed PC responses to racial or even ethnic questions (and I live in the supposedly racist South)

  10. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Why is so-called diversity and mass immigration mandated for ALL white populations and ONLY white populations?”

    Because white people living in the United States, for example, have willingly chosen to live with and among non-white people. Why are you opposed to freedom?

    “A 100% black country or area is diverse. 100% brown is diverse too. But 60% white “needs diversity”.”

    The United States has never been 100% white since it broke away from Great Britain. Moreover, America was observably diverse at the time of the American Revolution.

    “White places will be officially diverse enough when all of the white people are gone.”

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    “Diversity means chasing down the last white person.”

    Do white people have the liberty to make their own decisions when it comes racial policies, including forming associations with non-whites?

    “Is this not targeting a racial group for destruction, whole or in part? Is this not White Genocide?”

    No. White genocide is NOT observably occurring. You are maliciously twisting and turning a concept for your own demonic ends.

  11. Rurik says:
    @pink_point

    It’s a little hard to sort civilizations by ranking. In the 20th century alone, the West produced Communism and Bolshevism, the idea that all but one race were inferior and to be expunged from the world (at least, from the West),

    for the record, Bolshevism/communism was an invention designed specifically for the destruction of the West, by the most intractable and determined enemies that the West ever faced. When Germany saw what the Bolsheviks had in mind for them, having already survived mass-starvations treacherously imposed after Germany honorably disarmed in order to end the first WW madness, and then seeing this favorite weapon (mass-starvation) being used against the people of Ukraine, Hitler and the Nazis simply decided to fight the Fiend, (Jewish international capitalism/Bolshevism/communism/equality/diversity) – hell bent on the destruction, not just of Germany and Europe, but of the entire Western world. Just like it is today! 😉

    You see since the Fiend won that war, now it’s the entire Western world that is slated for annihilation. And if you complain? Yep, that’s right! You’re a Nazi who believes all races are inferior and wants to expunge them from the Western world. Just like Adolf Hitler!

    IOW- it’s allow the Fiend to destroy your civilization and genocide your unique (and by some standards, laudable) genetic identity though mass immigration (and high taxation to support it all) or = you’re a Nazi who wants to gas the Jews.

    funny how the more things change, the more they remain the same

    I noticed a comment about how this all started in 1964. It didn’t. It all started in 1913, when one man’s trite vanity was responsible for the ultimate destruction of Western civilization; Woodrow Wilson. Ever since he handed the power to print the US dollar over to a cabal of Jewish banksters, the world has known nothing but wars and world wars and strife and horrors galore.

    And will continue to do so unless or until the rest of us find a way to End the Fed. 😉

    • Replies: @edNels
  12. Avery says:

    {Between now and 2050, Poland will lose 5 million people; Ukraine almost 10 million; and Russia 15 million. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will see one-sixth of their combined population disappear.}

    Don’t know about other countries, but Pat’s projections for Russia are dated.
    The population loss of ethnic Russians was arrested during Putin presidency, and a small increase has been registered past few years. I believe [Karlin] had an article that covered that item in detail.

    Also, these future projections based on the past are based on nothing.
    How many projections from 30, 40, 50 years ago have turned out to be accurate?
    Populations wax and wane. There is no inexorable natural linear increase or decrease.

    Regarding Japan: assuming its population falls to 107 million in 2050.
    Nothing unusual about it.
    Population of Japan prior years.
    Year Pop.
    1940 73,075,071
    1945 71,998,104
    1950 83,199,637

    Even with a population base of 73 million they produced enough industrial goods, and had enough manpower to wage war against most of Asia for many years. So they fall back to 100 or 80 million for some time: so what?

    They will have some social issues with older people, of course.
    The economy will also shrink for a while.
    But Japanese are intelligent people: they’ll manage.
    The cohort of older people will die off eventually…..and then there will be another population increase.

    The only issue is keeping the original, native character and culture of the nation.
    Japanese have the advantage of being an island, and naturally protected from unwelcome visitors.

    But where there is a will, there is a way for the others not so lucky.

  13. @Corvinus

    Perhaps these might fairly be considered tangents, but:

    1. I don’t think America in 1783 was “diverse” in the meaning that term now has. An overwhelming majority of Anglo-Saxon-Celtic white people with some subcultures of Dutch and German white people and a minority of, what, 13% black people mostly enslaved in the South looks to a 21st century person as overwhelmingly white with the blacks the only diversity, and mainly property at that. The prospect of finding some highly assimilated Jews in small numbers, or a stray Italian, or a Moorish merchant [this a favourite], makes America of that time about as diverse as England in that same era. If progressives today were willing to consider that to be sufficient diversity and call it a day, there wouldn’t be all this argument. Indeed, to get to that from where America is now would require mass deportations.

    2. The term ‘white genocide’ is a misuse of the term but that ship has already sailed long ago. Nobody seems willing to limit the term genocide to require intentional mass killing with the goal of elimination any longer. It doesn’t even require killing. That would eliminate half or more of the genocides so dear to the heart of progressives.

    To your main point, it is a good case. A free society requires freedom of association and a good deal of white race dialogue here kind of assumes that white people should be compelled not to associate with other races. On the other hand, freedom of association is a dead letter in America already. If white people are free to associate with other races, why would they not be free not to do so?

    And you do not necessarily address the complaints you have selected. Public policy in most western countries today seems explicitly designed to introduce amounts of diversity from specific populations that did not exist a couple of generations or less ago in many countries, or to compel local communities to accept it in particular ways as a dictate from higher levels of government, without any immediate evidence in many cases that this is a voluntary process, and always in the direction of introducing ‘diversity’ to previously white environments rather than the other way around. It suggests that white environments are officially deemed the only ones in need of diversification. From progressive discourse, it would be hard not to infer that idea.

    I’ve lived in comparatively diverse environments all my life. I once had a boss [born 1946 and raised in relatively diverse Montreal, albeit a diversity mostly European] who assumed that I [born Toronto 1970] needed to have diversity rubbed into my face. I had to tell him that being a kid in public school in Toronto in the 1970s meant associating with a variety of European types, South Asians in numbers, and black Canadians of Caribbean origin, with a smattering of others. A Russo-German Jew like he was would have been indistinguishable from any other white man. I have had no difficulty nor any upset with practical diversity whatsoever and don’t expect to for a while.

    On the other hand, the federal government never actually consulted the electorate in the late 1960s about whether or not Canada should become a multicultural society or whether multiculturalism should become our state ideology as it now is [to the point of a shibboleth]. I suspect most Canadians now agree with it and, although I don’t, I’ve lived satisfactorily with it all my life. But I don’t know that the voters circa 1968 would have agreed, and even if they would have, no one asked them if they approved the complete transformation of their country. They had the right to say no if they preferred.

    For me, it’s mostly not about diversity in everyday life. it’s the academic diversity worldview that drives me nuts, and it gains daily more ground in everyday discourse. And it’s false. Diversity as such is not necessarily strength. Certain kinds of diversity have brought economic advantages to many societies through history, always with corresponding political weaknesses. And rare has been the society that has managed it without some overarching unifying idea to balance it, or alternatively either a despotic government or government by communal leaders.

    Diversity has for thousands of years been a thing to accept if it exists [usually because one’s empire has absorbed peoples] and to manage to best possible advantage with awareness of its weaknesses. It’s never been an unalloyed strength to be pursued for its own sake.

    That and the whole ‘evil white men’ meme. I still can’t think of anything evil done by white men that hasn’t been done by all other kinds of men at some point.

    Sooner or later, as a consequence of the diversity of everyday life and the policy tools needed to manage same without conflict, I’m going to get hauled before some tribunal for correcting someone on that otherwise academic historical point and hurting their delicate feelings. Because only white people are allowed to be insulted.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  14. But on Pat’s larger point, this was the striking bit:

    “if the West wishes to remain the West.”

    Plainly it does not. “Western” young people do not think of themselves as such, if they even know what that means they probably fear and hate the association.

    It’s done. Give it up.

    I used to say that what the young want is the society of ‘the federation’ as it appeared on earth in Star Trek. Even those who aren’t nerds, I find it a useful term. Except of course there are FAR too many white people in the federation, and far too many references to Shakespeare, Melville, Milton, too much English, too much suggestion that there is still a European civilization in the mix, and generally too much Ice People stuff. Roddenberry and his disciples look like racist reactionaries now.

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  15. Rurik says:

    It’s done. Give it up.

    “If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.”

    huh?

    and far too many references to Shakespeare, Melville, Milton

    now on this I must agree!

    just consider and compare those dead white guy’s work with a modern poet of diverse back ground

    here, for your edification, is a sublime work by the hero and celebrated master of today’s Western prose and literary art

    I picked this one because of the reference to Star Trek, it’s titled

    “Spaceship”

    by Kanye West

    [MORE]

    ~

    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky
    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

    Man, man, man
    If my manager insults me again I will be assaulting him
    After I fuck the manager up then I’m gonna shorten the register up
    Let’s go back, back to the Gap
    Look at my check, wasn’t no scratch
    So if I stole, wasn’t my fault
    Yeah I stole, never got caught
    They take me to the back and pat me
    Askin’ me about some khakis
    But let some black people walk in
    I bet they show off their token blackie
    Oh now they love Kanye, let’s put him all in the front of the store
    Saw him on break next to the ‘No Smoking’ sign with a blunt and a Mall’
    Takin’ my hits, writin’ my hits
    Writin’ my rhymes, playin’ my mind
    This fuckin’ job can’t help him
    So I quit, y’all welcome
    Y’all don’t know my struggle
    Y’all can’t match my hustle
    You can’t catch my hustle
    You can’t fathom my love dude
    Lock yourself in a room doin’ five beats a day for three summers
    That’s a different world like Kree Summers
    I deserve to do these numbers
    The kid that made that deserves that Maybach
    So many records in my basement
    I’m just waitin’ on my spaceship, blaow

    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky
    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

    Man, I’m talkin’ way past the sky
    Let’s go, yeah
    And I didn’t even try to work a job
    Represent the mob
    At the same time thirsty on the grind
    Chi state of mind
    Lost my momma, lost my mind
    +My life, my love+ that’s not mine
    Why you ain’t signed?
    Wasn’t my time
    Leave me alone, work for y’all
    Half of it’s yours, half of it’s mine
    Only one to ball
    Never one to fall
    Gotta get mine
    Gotta take mine
    Got a tech nine
    Reach my prime
    Gotta make these haters respect mine
    In the mall ’til 12 when my schedule said nine
    Puttin’ them pants on shelves
    Waitin’ paitently I ask myself
    Where I wanna go, where I wanna be
    Life is much more than runnin’ in the streets
    Holla at ‘ye, hit me with the beat
    Put me on my feet
    Sound so sweet
    Yes I’m the same ol’ G, same goatee
    Stayin’ low key, nope
    Holler at God “Man why’d you had to take my folks?”
    Hope to see Freddy G., Yusef G
    Love my G, Rolly G
    Police watch me smoke my weed, count my G’s
    Got a lot of people countin’ on me
    And I’m just tryin’ to find my peace
    Should of finished school like my niece
    Then I wouldn’t finally wouldn’t use my piece, blaow
    Aw man, all this pressure

    [Hook: Kanye West]
    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky
    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

    I remember havin’ to take the dollar cab
    Comin’ home real late at night
    Standin’ on my feet all damn day
    Tryin’ to make this thing right
    And havin’ one of my co-workers say “Yo you look just like
    This kid I seen in the old Busta Rhymes video the other night”
    Well easy come, easy go
    How that sayin’ goes
    No more broad service, cars, and them TV shows
    I all had that snatched from me
    And all the faculties all turn their back on me
    And didn’t wanna hear a rap from me
    So naturally actually had to face things factually
    Had to be a catastrophe with the fridgest starin’ back at me
    Cuz nothing’s there, nothing’s fair
    I don’t wanna ever go back there
    So I won’t be takin’ no days off ’til my spaceship takes off

    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky
    I’ve been workin’ this graveshift and I ain’t made shit
    I wish I could buy me a spaceship and fly past the sky

    I wanna fly, I wanna fly
    I said I want my chariot to pick me up
    And take me brother for a ride

    ~

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  16. Corvinus says:
    @random observer

    “I don’t think America in 1783 was “diverse” in the meaning that term now has.”

    The meaning at that point in time, like now, is precisely the same. From Historian Frederick B. Tolles (1957)–A cultural map of the settled portion of Pennsylvania in 1740 would show a band of Quaker country roughly parallel with the Delaware River and extending back twenty-five or thirty miles…Behind it would be a broad belt of Pennsylvania Dutch country. Still father west would be a sparse strip of Scotch-Irish. Scattered in between are the English and Welsh Baptists, a handful of Roman Catholic and Jewish families, slaves and freedmen numbering four or five thousand, and here and there, remnants of the Lenni Lenape (Delaware Indians)…It is this region primarily that Hector St. John de Crevecoeur had in mind when he asked his famous question “What then is the American, this new man? [They are] individuals of all nations melted into a new race of men, whose labors and posterity will one day cause great changes in the world.”

    “An overwhelming majority of Anglo-Saxon-Celtic white people with some subcultures of Dutch and German white people and a minority of, what, 13% black people mostly enslaved in the South looks to a 21st century person as overwhelmingly white with the blacks the only diversity, and mainly property at that.”

    Yes, it was overwhelmingly white, but still diverse in terms of European ethnicities, religions, and cultures.

    “The prospect of finding some highly assimilated Jews in small numbers, or a stray Italian, or a Moorish merchant [this a favourite], makes America of that time about as diverse as England in that same era.”

    Regardless, it was outside of the norm to have so many diverse groups of people–English, French, Scots-Irish, German, Africans, native Americans–under essentially one roof. America was THAT unique.

    “Indeed, to get to that from where America is now would require mass deportations.”



    Regarding is course of action, there is little political will for it to materialize. It’s a pipe dream.

    “The term ‘white genocide’ is a misuse of the term but that ship has already sailed long ago. Nobody seems willing to limit the term genocide to require intentional mass killing with the goal of elimination any longer. It doesn’t even require killing. That would eliminate half or more of the genocides so dear to the heart of progressives.”



    At the very heart of its definition is “deliberate killing”. Exactly why the term is being absolutely abused.

    “A free society requires freedom of association and a good deal of white race dialogue here kind of assumes that white people should be compelled not to associate with other races.”

    Yes.

    “On the other hand, freedom of association is a dead letter in America already. If white people are free to associate with other races, why would they not be free not to do so?”

    Freedom of association is alive and well. White people are free to associate only with white people. There are a number of areas in the States where it is exclusively white.

    “Public policy in most western countries today seems explicitly designed to introduce amounts of diversity from specific populations that did not exist a couple of generations or less ago in many countries, or to compel local communities to accept it in particular ways as a dictate from higher levels of government, without any immediate evidence in many cases that this is a voluntary process, and always in the direction of introducing ‘diversity’ to previously white environments rather than the other way around.”

    America’s immigration policy historically has been designed to encourage diversity, whether it be enabling Irish and German Catholics, the Assyrians, or the Vietnamese to enter our country. Congress was granted that exclusive right to bring in, limit, or prohibit certain groups from entering our shores. Should the will of the people seek to say, for example, limit or ban Muslims from entering America, that is something I may not necessarily favor, but this legislation is well within their right. However, one must carefully weigh the pros and cons of such a law. Since its inception as a nation, America has never observably been a “white environment”. Yes, “white” people may have been dominant politically and economically, but there remained in its population significant non-white groups.

    “On the other hand, the federal government never actually consulted the electorate in the late 1960s about whether or not Canada should become a multicultural society or whether multiculturalism should become our state ideology as it now is [to the point of a shibboleth]. I suspect most Canadians now agree with it and, although I don’t, I’ve lived satisfactorily with it all my life. But I don’t know that the voters circa 1968 would have agreed, and even if they would have, no one asked them if they approved the complete transformation of their country. They had the right to say no if they preferred.”

    There was consultation. Lawmakers represent the interests of the people. I’m sure that citizens in Canada were acutely aware of those pieces of legislation, and groups formed to demonstrate their support or their nonsupport of such laws.

    “[Diversity] never been an unalloyed strength to be pursued for its own sake.”

    American national policies would state otherwise.

    “That and the whole ‘evil white men’ meme. I still can’t think of anything evil done by white men that hasn’t been done by all other kinds of men at some point.”

    I concur. Except those who insist that “white men created everything grand” is an equally obnoxious meme.

    • Replies: @random observer
  17. Outwest says:

    Contrary the political powers that be, population is not at all the asset it was nineteenth century and earlier –except for armies and not even all that much there. The United States has pretty much filled its frontier except for the great swaths of land held by the Feds, and those are off limits. Much of the factory labor has been outsourced to robots (ad foreign workers pending the further development of robots). Factory production in the United States is still substantial even with diminished employment.

    World War 2 wore out our then already old factories and depleted resources as in the Mesabi Range and California and Texas oil. Still, with the world in ruins, we had a good industrial run while digging a fiscal hole that even now keeps getting deeper. Now our product is intellectual smoke with hardware produce by machines or offshore. Agriculture is threatened in the West because people are drinking all the water needed for crops.
    The point being that are wealth and individual wellbeing is being progressively determined much more by the numbers wanting a piece of the pie than by growth of the pie as a result of increasing such numbers.

    It would be telling to list the prosperity of a Western country as a function of its population. There’s reason to expect a much higher correlation with quality than quantity.

    • Replies: @PortersFavTroll
  18. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    [Sockpuppetry—using multiple handles to disguise your identity—is prohibited here. This is your FINAL warning. All your commenting must be under “Wally” (or Anonymous/Anon). If not, expect to see all your future comments summarily trashed.]

    Why is so-called diversity and mass immigration mandated for ALL white populations and ONLY white populations?

    Because Euro whites are seen as competitors by Jewish supremacists and Jews do not like competition.

    Indeed, you won’t see non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”.

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  19. @Avery

    But there does not seem to be enough will to stand up to neoliberal policies being imposed by the Japanese government at behest of the USA. What will happen when the USA decides to escalate anti-Muslim pogroms in the Philippines? Japan will be pressured to take 10 million Filipino refugees.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Corvinus
  20. Art says:

    As for Trumpism and the Brexiteers, Mr. President, in the words of Jimmy Durante, “you ain’t seen nothing yet.”

    Hmm – is Pat counting his chickens before they hatch? In George Orwell’s Animal Farm – the pigs became the rulers. The pigs are masters at creating false images about the future. The pigs are ruling America – look at what happened this weekend – Bill Clinton, Lynch, Comey, Hillary, and Obama.

    WOW – what a series of good fortune for the pigs. (And somehow a star of david appears on a Trump tweet.) Its magic folks – all in one weekend – Hillary has no dirty laundry – and Trump is an anti-Semite. Its brainstem politics at its best for the masses.

    Is it possible for the Christian farm animals to take back the farm?

    Sorry, but things are not looking up for the Western culture good guys today.

    p.s. By the numbers, 99% of the Jew controlled MSM media support the pigs and government authority. (Even FOX JEWS makes excuses for Comey. They will not say his actions were political.)

    p.s. Take “Christian idealism” out of the West – and you have nothing. “The truth will set you free” is a Christian ideal. Clearly that is not what we got this weekend.

    • Replies: @PortersFavTroll
  21. Marcus says:
    @random observer

    The impression that you get from the Star Trek universe is that the demographics of Earth haven’t change much even if they are “color-blind”: Picard is from France, Riker from Alaska, LaForge from Africa, Chekov from Russia, etc.

  22. Ken says:
    @Avery

    I watched a Peter Zeihan video where he claimed Putin’s Russia has been solving or attempting to solve its demographic crisis by Russifying ethnic groups that were not previously considered Russian — Chechens, Tartars, Chuvash etc.

  23. mtn cur says:

    The local land grant university is not alone in reporting that 1 in 5 AMERICAN families are uncertain of their ability to feed their children adequately in the future. That would come to around 20% of Americans, 60 million who should be described as refugees if only they were not citizens. ( ? ? ? ) Maybe they should apply for dual citizenship to say Somalia or some such.

  24. @Corvinus

    Whites have not chosen to live with non Whites, its mostly enforced through open borders and section 8 housing and anti discrimination law.

    White people are human too.

    White people today do not have the liberty to make their own decision when it comes to racial policies, including forming explicit associations with Whites.

    White genocide is that in 200 year left, there will be no more blondes or blue eyes, or pale skin if current trends continue.

    Why do you wish to see White people exterminated? Why do you deny them the human right to discriminate? Would you deny this human right of any other racial/ethnic group?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  25. Kamran says:

    Pull up your drawbridge, white demon.

    In my country I will put in place a eugenics policy to increase the IQ by 50 points.

    When the average IQ in my country is 150, we will build weapons of destruction and energy the likes of which this planet has never seized.

    Then we will lay siege to your parapets.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  26. @pink_point

    When we close the borders to Mexico, Europe closes its borders to Africans and Muslims, and white people start having children again, then I’ll conclude that Western man has decided he wants to survive.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @PortersFavTroll
  27. @Berta Arnason

    Within fifty years at most, the USA’s nuclear arsenal will be controlled by mestizo dumbasses, while the new Muslim majority in France will command that country’s nukes.

    • Replies: @Uslabor
  28. @Avery

    Why are you so sure that the Japanese will increase their population? There is no reason to think that whatsoever.

    As for Russia’s population, the rate of increase in the non-Muslim population of Russia and the Russian Federation is apparently pretty near zero. The small population increase in very few recent years seems to be disproportionately among Muslims, whose share of the “Russian” population continues to grow slowly but steadily without end in sight.

  29. @landlubber

    There had better be “anti-Muslim pogroms” in the Philippines, or the Muslims will never stop pushing for control over the whole island of Mindanao and then more.

  30. Hacienda says:
    @Kamran

    If whitey pulls up the drawbridge we’ll create a super race combining Asian efficiency, Jew creativity, Black aggression, Muslim savvy. Fuck, we’ll invite Russian doggedness into party, though we won’t need it.

    It will be 9% of the world population against the rest. I’m tired of senile assholes like Buchanan, spouting shit.

    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
  31. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous Bro

    “Whites have not chosen to live with non Whites, its mostly enforced through open borders and section 8 housing and anti discrimination law.”

    Whites have chosen on their own accord to have open borders, Section 8 housing, and anti-discrimination laws.

    “White people today do not have the liberty to make their own decision when it comes to racial policies, including forming explicit associations with Whites.”

    That’s patently false. They’re a number of communities where whites live, work, and play among their fellow whites.

    “White genocide is that in 200 year left, there will be no more blondes or blue eyes, or pale skin if current trends continue.”

    White people are not going “extinct” now or in the future.

    “Why do you wish to see White people exterminated? Why do you deny them the human right to discriminate? Would you deny this human right of any other racial/ethnic group?”

    Again, this phenomenon is made up. Whites are not being exterminated.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  32. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “When we close the borders to Mexico, Europe closes its borders to Africans and Muslims, and white people start having children again, then I’ll conclude that Western man has decided he wants to survive.”

    Why must whites be forced to have children? More importantly, the concept of the “western man” or “western woman” is antiquated. The average American focuses on the American civilization for its survival, as it should be.

  33. Corvinus says:
    @landlubber

    “What will happen when the USA decides to escalate anti-Muslim pogroms in the Philippines?”

    That is pure fantasy on your part. Where is specific evidence to indicate this policy is even on the “elites” radar screen?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  34. Corvinus says:
    @Wally

    The answer to all of your questions are “human beings”. Why do you despite humanity? Why should the common American believe that Jews cause every single problem known to human kind?

  35. KenH says:

    A black nationalist cavorting and Muslim coddling mulatto like Hussein Soetoro calling whites who support Trump nativist and xenophobic is just an example of the rank racial hypocrisy of non-whites and the pot calling the kettle black. After all, he and his flock of black and brown orcs (and the white libtards who love them) are driven by an atavistic hatred of white people and Western civilization. Everything brown skinned Barry has done since taking office is to promote non-white racial interests at the expense of white interests.

    The late paleoconservative writer Sam Francis said something to the effect that white nations cannot exist apart from the genetic endowments of the people who created and peopled them. And if the West succumbs to the radical demographic changes being forecast for this century then it will exist in name only and be something alien, ugly and unrecognizable to all but the most brainwashed and deracinated white leftist and SJWs.

    For starters, Whites would need to disenfranchise the majority of non-whites, give themselves preference in hiring and promotions (i.e., deep six affirmative action) and legally bar them from partaking in litigation against the white majority. A plan to financially incentivize non-whites to leave white countries would also need to be adopted. This is all fantasy of course since most whites aren’t up for this since they can’t fathom being unfair to anyone and seem much more content being on the receiving end of all this.

    Perhaps the best whites can hope for is a weakening of their corrupt and stridently anti-white governments and begin creating ethnostates over the carcasses of their former nations whether in Europe, Scandinavia, England or North America and later launch reconquistas to capture territory that was temporarily ceded to non-whites.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  36. fish says:
    @Rurik

    Oh my…..that Mr. Kardashian is so talented!

  37. @Hacienda

    “we’ll create a super race combining Asian efficiency, Jew creativity, Black aggression, Muslim savvy…I’m tired of senile assholes like Buchanan, spouting shit”
    Then imagine how tired everyone is of a wanna-be Kanye like you, spouting juvenile nonsense.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  38. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:

    Fall of communism was survivable because nations remained white.

    But now, the white race itself if threatened by the massive tide.

    In fact, many white Europeans think their whiteness is the problem and must be eradicated by having no kids or race-mixing. Whiteness is the new original sin of the West.

    Eurocalypse Now.

  39. KenH says:

    A big impediment to whites reclaiming their manhood and their nations is that they’ve been hopelessly brainwashed in the Marxist theory that man is a blank slate and malleable along with environmental determinism and universal human equality. The schools, the churches, the media and the entertainment industry dress this all up as “Americanism” to disguise its Marxist underpinnings. Post 1965 white Americans have been throughly re-educated and are none the wiser.

    This is why white conservatives have no problem with admitting millions more non-whites with the stipulation that they just assimilate because they believe it’s possible despite all evidence to the contrary. The white man must change his thinking and embrace biological determinism and the concept of race if he is to have any chance at surviving and salvaging Western Civilization.

  40. Hacienda says:
    @The Albino Sasquatch

    You’re right. Juvenile. There’s something about Pat, I can’t resist.

  41. In order to finance the federal deficit it is necessary for tax collections to grow.
    If white and black citizens abort/use birth prevention pills, then a more fecund people
    will be imported.

    John Q. Tax- slave is only concerned with his 401k, social security, and medicare.
    One- in- a – thousand knows how money is created.

    As long as the [new]sheep consent to be fleeced every April 15th,
    their owners won’t label them terrorists, and have them vaporized.

  42. @Outwest

    ” much higher correlation with quality than quantity.”
    I agree with your observation, and this lone point is why Trump needs to win via the white race only, no ass kissing of the enemies.
    Just one bitch re your water comments. Water=H2O, mankind will never be able to erase water from the planet. People drink it and piss it. I drink tap water, even with my bourbon, and I am well aware that some of the H2O I am drinking was once someone elses H2O piss…. so what?

  43. @Art

    “Take “Christian idealism” out of the West – and you have nothing. ” So Damn true, Art.
    Why does the West have so many elderly and the Turd World so few? That is not a cause for alarm but a fact that says the West will wake up and protect its people.

  44. @RadicalCenter

    Why does western man have to reproduce more?
    All he really has to do is protect his people.
    I will give you an example: when the sucker Christmas sales are less than expected, CNBC bemoans that GDP is down. When did production=spending?
    Build a Strong White America and arm it against the ignorant Turd World hordes.
    Ain’t gonna happen, but then I am an old man with no progeny, so what do I care? To me, it is all entertainment.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  45. iSteveFan says:
    @Corvinus

    The United States has never been 100% white since it broke away from Great Britain. Moreover, America was observably diverse at the time of the American Revolution.

    America has had non-whites since before the Revolution, but why then would the leaders specify in the First Naturalization Act of 1790 that naturalization would be limited to free whites of good moral character? Why was naturalization not extended to non-whites?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  46. Patrick says:

    Feminism has been a curse.

    When will Buchanan, Sailor, Steyn, Dalrymple, Douthat and all the other commentators say it. I understand that their jobs are at risk. But the west, the Christian west, is dead if we don’t start having babies and destroy the sexual revolution.

    Men must once again be able to raise a family on a single wage. Double income families should end. All the evil around us the drugs and pornography should end, that would be true welfare.

    I can understand all the powerful men who love easy women, divorcing old wives and aborting unwanted children. I can understand the power couples who love all the power and wealth focused on their privileged lives supporting policies which corrupt the poor and deprive them of their own families.

    I can understand. But I think in the future forgiveness will be more difficult. The conservative voices are not raised because they love free sex, they love marrying wives that make lots of money, they love small families and enjoy the illusion that their selfishness and support of policies which destroy the morality of poor people is really a type of virtue. They don’t want to go back. It is only the poor and stupid who live in destitute towns overrun with strangers that long now for earlier times when jobs where available and fellowship was normal.

    And why wouldn’t they like to go back, the truth is poor men can no longer afford a family. They cannot buy or rent a house on a low income to raise a family, their wives leave them for welfare.

    Brexit and Trump are showing that. But Trump will disappoint and the MPs are going to elect May to lead Brexit. Nothing will change until calamity strikes.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White people are not victims here. No one forced white people to accept immigrants. Whites brought in a bunch of poor minorities so the white people in that country could live a life of leisure.
    Four week vacations and lots of shopping have their cost no?

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @dc.sunsets
  48. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Iceland still has above 2.1 and is trying to resist the globalism cluterfuck that is the leftist media and the new darkages its pulling at the speed of light.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  49. KenH says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong. Most polls consistently show 65-75% of Americans want both illegal immigrants deported and legal immigrants drastically reduced and whites probably make up most of those percentages. Trump catapulted to the Republican nomination by claiming he will deport illegals, build a wall and reduce legal immigration. Jewish Congressman Eric Cantor was defeated by a nobody named Mike Bratt over his support for amnesty. The list goes on.

    White Americans have been demanding the demographic transformation of this nation via mass non-white immigration be addressed and politicians flip us the bird. It’s only Jews, corrupt and deracinated white elites and Latino race lobbies that want the status quo preserved.

  50. @Corvinus

    I don’t know that we disagree that much on the diversity of early America, based on your latest post. Although I would call it the far end, even relatively far out on the end, of a continuum of diversity compared with old world societies of the day. But even so, and that citation from Tolle bears it out, that was an extraordinarily narrow scope of diversity by the required standards of today- even of European ethnicities and religious traditions, that’s a very narrow list. I suspect all but the most extreme posters here would call that kind of diversity more than acceptable.

    But anyone I expect to find arguing for Diversity with a capital D these last 25 years would recoil from this racist, Eurocentric idea of diversity, indeed an idea of diversity in which now-seeming trivial distinctions among NW European ethnicities and W European Christian denominations, with a handful of Jews tossed in, is a substitute for actual diversity.

    I obviously did not suggest mass deportations are a viable policy. America can’t organize itself to deport people who have entered illegally, which fact to my mind implies that deportation is both just and mandatory, regardless of logistics. What I did use that idea for was to imply that many WN types might accept the definition of “diversity” as you applied it to early America, but precisely that it would be impossible to recreate that without impossible measures.

    Entirely agree with you on what the definition of ‘genocide’ should require. Merely pointing out that the definition has already been expanded, by progressives, far beyond its rational meaning, and the new definition is used to great political effect. If it can be abused by the left, it can be abused in the same way by the right. That’s all I was getting at.

    I must assume we have a different idea of what the scope of freedom of association is as well. So be it.

    Interesting question about the scope of legislative powers, and I lack knowledge to discuss the 1965 American act, the degree of its consultation and debate, in detail. I have seen here people argue that its legislators must have known the effect it would have, and others argue they did not, and one side or the other argue that the promise it would not alter the demographic balance of the country was either a horrid mistake or a bald faced lie. I can’t say.

    As a more theoretical question, I wonder. Our parliament or Britain’s also have immigration policy well within the scope of their powers. And yet there is immigration policy to bring people in who will advantage the country, and then there is ‘let’s change the nature of country in fundamental ways because it’s good and right’ on some ideological grounds. If it’s a deliberate policy to do the latter, that seems to me more a constitutive than a mere legislative power. It dilutes the ownership rights of the shareholders.

    It would seem that American national policies before 1965 favoured assimilation rather than diversity. After 1965 I don’t see that it has been an unalloyed strength. I don’t preclude some strengths, merely say that they have been mixed with weaknesses. As in all other ‘diverse’ societies of history. The point being to challenged the prevailing “Diversity is Strength” meme, which is historically unsound.

    Glad we can agree on that last point. It would be nice if I could anticipate a similar level of historical awareness from your average millennial commentator on the webs. Evil White Men is the faith of the times. As to the idea that white men created everything grand, nope. I don’t believe that. You’d have to exclude Egypt, Persia, Carthage, Phoenicia, Assyria, Babylonia, the Indus valley, everything else Indian, and China, and even that a truly non-exhaustive list. All stupendous, creative cultures/civilizations, many or their more or less descendants continuing to contribute.

    I can’t see that the idea that white men created everything had any purchase on the culture even back when whites ran everything in the west and were at peak arrogance. Plenty of awareness even then, at least, of the civilizations of the ancient world, some enthusiasm even for the cultures of contemporary Asia. Certainly no threat now of a narrative like that taking hold.

    On the other hand the notion that white men are predators and murderers who have created nothing has more purchase in the mind of youth than I care to see, even if the only issue at stake were historical truth and not my own pasty neck.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Talha
  51. FLgeezer says:
    @Rurik

    Yeah, Kanye is truly an intellectual giant. And won’t the world be better off when Africa produces 4 billion such savants? LOL!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  52. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “After all, he and his flock of black and brown orcs (and the white libtards who love them) are driven by an atavistic hatred of white people and Western civilization. Everything brown skinned Barry has done since taking office is to promote non-white racial interests at the expense of white interests.”

    Please define “white interests” and “non-white”. Also, must white people at all times look out for their own kind, and not decide for themselves what are their own personal racial policies?
    Why?

    “For starters, Whites would need to disenfranchise the majority of non-whites, give themselves preference in hiring and promotions (i.e., deep six affirmative action) and legally bar them from partaking in litigation against the white majority.”

    Would not whites be discriminating against other whites? Moreover, how do you propose to accomplish these tasks?

    “A plan to financially incentivize non-whites to leave white countries would also need to be adopted. This is all fantasy of course since most whites aren’t up for this since they can’t fathom being unfair to anyone and seem much more content being on the receiving end of all this.”

    Yes, it is all fantasy. And your economic program wreaks of socialism.

    “Perhaps the best whites can hope for is a weakening of their corrupt and stridently anti-white governments and begin creating ethnostates over the carcasses of their former nations whether in Europe, Scandinavia, England or North America and later launch reconquistas to capture territory that was temporarily ceded to non-whites.”

    Will you be personally leading this crusade, or sitting on the sidelines cheering?

    “Most polls consistently show 65-75% of Americans want both illegal immigrants deported and legal immigrants drastically reduced and whites probably make up most of those percentages.”

    Could you please provide links showing those polls with those supermajority percentages?

    “corrupt and deracinated white elites”.

    Are not these groups still “white”?

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @map
  53. Corvinus says:
    @iSteveFan

    “America has had non-whites since before the Revolution, but why then would the leaders specify in the First Naturalization Act of 1790 that naturalization would be limited to free whites of good moral character? Why was naturalization not extended to non-whites?””

    Great question.

    Because at that point in time the Founding Fathers were skeptical of the masses and the masses had been indoctrinated, through no fault of their own, to believe that whites were the superior race. Even Abraham Lincoln who believed blacks and whites ought to be political equals thought that blacks were social inferiors to whites, but he was a product of his generation.

    Note that the Founding Fathers enabled CONGRESS to set the standards for immigration and citizenship. Thus, the posterity of our nation would inevitably represent and reflect “old” and “new” peoples.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Outwest
    , @another fred
  54. Rurik says:
    @FLgeezer

    Yeah, Kanye is truly an intellectual giant

    Yes FLgeezer, (and fish)

    but the word is genius

    you rarely see his name without that word following closely

    google his name with ‘genius’ and you’ll get millions of hits

    https://vimeo.com/49188152

    he’s not even too shy to say it

    Kanye West Declares ‘I’m a Creative Genius’ on ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live’

    and here to prove his point, are the lyrics to “I am a God”

    [MORE]

    “I Am A God”

    Blazing, mi don’t want them
    Mi need them
    Blazing
    Suh mi tek har outta bugah red and put her in a tall skirt
    And now she find out what life is really worth
    No to X rated
    Yo mi tek har outta bugah red and put her in a tall skirt
    And now she find out what life is really worth
    No to X rated

    I am a god
    I am a god
    I am a god

    I am a god
    Hurry up with my damn massage
    Hurry up with my damn ménage
    Get the Porsche out the damn garage
    I am a god
    Even though I’m a man of god
    My whole life in the hands of god
    So y’all better quit playing with god


    Soon as they like you make ’em unlike you
    Cause kissing people ass is so unlike you
    The only rapper compared to Michael
    So here’s a few hating-ass niggas who’ll fight you
    And here’s a few snake-ass niggas to bite you
    And I don’t even wanna hear ’bout what niggas might do
    Old niggas mentally still in high school
    Since the tight jeans they never liked you
    Pink-ass polos with a fucking backpack
    But everybody know you brought real rap back
    Nobody had swag, man, we the Rat Pack
    Virgil Pyrex, Don C snapback
    Ivan, diamond, Chi-town shining
    Monop’ in this bitch, get a change of climate
    Hop in this bitch and get the same thing I’m in
    Until the day I get struck by lightning

    I am a god
    So hurry up with my damn massage
    In a French-ass restaurant
    Hurry up with my damn croissants
    I am a god
    I am a god
    I am a god

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

    I just talked to Jesus
    He said, “What up Yeezus?”
    I said, “Shit I’m chilling
    Trying to stack these millions.”
    I know he the most high
    But I am a close high
    Mi casa, su casa
    That’s that cosa nostra
    I am a god
    I am a god
    I am a god

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

    Ain’t no way I’m giving up. I’m a god

  55. Corvinus says:
    @random observer

    Indeed, the “evil white man” message by some on the left is notoriously obnoxious. White men are no more, or no less evil, than a black man or an Asian man or a Jewish man.

    “I don’t know that we disagree that much on the diversity of early America, based on your latest post. Although I would call it the far end, even relatively far out on the end, of a continuum of diversity compared with old world societies of the day. But even so, and that citation from Tolle bears it out, that was an extraordinarily narrow scope of diversity by the required standards of today- even of European ethnicities and religious traditions, that’s a very narrow list. I suspect all but the most extreme posters here would call that kind of diversity more than acceptable.”

    A narrow list in context of today’s American cosmopolitan. But, at the time, Europeans, in particular the upper classes, shuddered at the very notion that their brethren would bastardize their own ethnic group. America was a social experiment from the perspective of the aristocracy. I would argue that the colonists from different European backgrounds eventually became more willing to “jump ship” and allow their children to marry outside of their ethnic group in part due to the dowry system imported from the “old country” and in part due to their common modest backgrounds.

    “But anyone I expect to find arguing for Diversity with a capital D these last 25 years would recoil from this racist, Eurocentric idea of diversity, indeed an idea of diversity in which now-seeming trivial distinctions among NW European ethnicities and W European Christian denominations, with a handful of Jews tossed in, is a substitute for actual diversity.”

    Diversity, to me, is diversity. There is no “actual diversity” or Diversity with a capital D.

    “I obviously did not suggest mass deportations are a viable policy.”

    Yes.

    “Entirely agree with you on what the definition of ‘genocide’ should require. Merely pointing out that the definition has already been expanded, by progressives, far beyond its rational meaning, and the new definition is used to great political effect. If it can be abused by the left, it can be abused in the same way by the right. That’s all I was getting at.”

    Ok.

    “I must assume we have a different idea of what the scope of freedom of association is as well. So be it.”

    Agree to disagree. Fine.

    “Interesting question about the scope of legislative powers, and I lack knowledge to discuss the 1965 American act, the degree of its consultation and debate, in detail. I have seen here people argue that its legislators must have known the effect it would have, and others argue they did not, and one side or the other argue that the promise it would not alter the demographic balance of the country was either a horrid mistake or a bald faced lie. I can’t say.”

    There is the belief among some posters here that the elites, who are white, HATE other whites and are willing to destroy the white race to advance their own political and financial fortunes. I find that notion hilariously ignorant.

    “As a more theoretical question, I wonder. Our parliament or Britain’s also have immigration policy well within the scope of their powers. And yet there is immigration policy to bring people in who will advantage the country, and then there is ‘let’s change the nature of country in fundamental ways because it’s good and right’ on some ideological grounds. If it’s a deliberate policy to do the latter, that seems to me more a constitutive than a mere legislative power. It dilutes the ownership rights of the shareholders.”

    In 1664, Great Britain gained control of New Amsterdam (Dutch) at the request of its citizens there, who were shall we say displeased with the autocratic rule of its governor. Great Britain was certainly not going to say no to the immense economic potential. More importantly, so long as these new “peoples” abided by British rule, the British would not interfere with their religious or cultural practices.

    “It would seem that American national policies before 1965 favoured assimilation rather than diversity. After 1965 I don’t see that it has been an unalloyed strength. I don’t preclude some strengths, merely say that they have been mixed with weaknesses. As in all other ‘diverse’ societies of history. The point being to challenged the prevailing “Diversity is Strength” meme, which is historically unsound.

    “On the other hand the notion that white men are predators and murderers who have created nothing has more purchase in the mind of youth than I care to see, even if the only issue at stake were historical truth and not my own pasty neck.”

    I can appreciate your concern in this regard.

  56. Marcus says:
    @Corvinus

    Because at that point in time the Founding Fathers were skeptical of the masses and the masses had been indoctrinated, through no fault of their own, to believe that whites were the superior race. Even Abraham Lincoln who believed blacks and whites ought to be political equals thought that blacks were social inferiors to whites, but he was a product of his generation.

    He did not, and neither did the “founding fathers.” Your text walls of obfuscation can’t hide what I’m going to assume is dishonesty rather than ignorance.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  57. Outwest says:
    @Corvinus

    Lincoln didn’t believe that all blacks should be political equals. It was Lincoln that instituted literacy tests for blacks when registering to vote. This was in conjunction with New Orleans blacks when the Union occupied this southern enclave.

    • Replies: @Ace
  58. WG Dupree says:
    @Berta Arnason

    “The West” refers more to a culture developed by Western Europeans, in particular, the British Empire, or what was once referred to as England. Sure, Hispanics and blacks can assimilate into this culture. But at the root, “The West” is white and white culture.

    • Replies: @helena
  59. Talha says:
    @random observer

    Hey RO,

    Plenty of awareness even then, at least, of the civilizations of the ancient world, some enthusiasm even for the cultures of contemporary Asia.

    Yes, they seemed to have more self-confidence in their own culture to not be threatened about giving credit to contributions of others to their heritage (Judea, Egypt and Islam were duly noted):
    https://www.loc.gov/visit/tours/online-tours/thomas-jefferson-building/main-reading-room/

    This is the kind of reasoned discourse that needs to be revived, not the juvenile nonsense (White men are gods vs White men are demons) that takes up so much of the space on the Internet these days. Kudos to both you and Corvinus on carrying on an excellent dialog on these important matters.

    Peace.

  60. @Corvinus

    the masses had been indoctrinated, through no fault of their own, to believe that whites were the superior race

    You have it exactly backwards.

    Belief in the superiority of one’s own group is the natural state, belief in equality must be taught, or, in your term, indoctrinated.

    If you choose to respond to this argument, please understand, this is not a moral argument or position, it is a statement of fact.

    “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” – D. P. Moynihan

    • Replies: @another fred
    , @Talha
    , @Corvinus
  61. “The West” refers more to a culture developed by Western Europeans, in particular, the British Empire,

    Thomas Jefferson admired Italian culture and history; he helped his friend, who became his neighbor and muse, Filippo Mazzei, to settle in Virginia and establish himself on the hillside adjacent to Monticello. To Mazzei is attributed the formulation, “All men are created equal and endowed by their creator . . .” http://adribarrcrocetti.com/main/2012/07/03/philip-mazzei-and-the-declaration-of-independence/

    Benjamin Franklin corresponded with Italian political theorist Gaetano Filangieri http://www.loc.gov/today/cyberlc/feature_wdesc.php?rec=5095
    In a discussion of the influence of Filangieri, Justice Antonin Scalia agreed that the USA was established on the basis of “Christian Europe of the Enlightenment.”

    The French empire exerted a great deal of influence on the USA’s earliest theorists and settlers. In The Greater Journey, David McCullough describes how patriotic “new” Americans journeyed to- and sojourned in- Paris in order to learn the best of European art, literature, and medicine.

    Persons from Germany formed the second-largest ethnic group in USA in its early days and even now. German social programs and industrial know-how, as well as the German university system, informed US institutions and endowed the backbone of “Yankee ingenuity.”

    • Replies: @random observer
  62. @another fred

    Belief in the superiority of Preference for one’s own group is the natural state, belief in equality must be taught, or, in your term, indoctrinated.

    /Too late to edit.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  63. Talha says:
    @another fred

    I agree with you on the point that Corvinus has it backwards, certain traits must be taught as part of the edification of a human being; for instance, every parent knows a child is exceptionally selfish and must be taught otherwise, they also throw tantrums and have a host of horrendous ‘naturally’ occurring behaviors which are tolerable (even cute) in children, but totally loathsome in adults.

    Peace.

  64. come on now, there is no way we can preserved the status quote after WW2 where the entire world is up for grabs by the usa. it lasted this long is already a miracle.

    it just means we are no longer the only one benefiting from the world’s resources, have to share it with others.

    that is not the end of western civilization. it is actually inevitable.

  65. woodNfish says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Hispanics are a political fantasy they do not exist outside the political definition designed to give welfare to a disparate group of people whose only commonality is the Spanish language. Unlike Britain, the Spaniards did not create colonies, they conquered foreign lands. Spaniards had no interest in promoting their culture in their conquered territories and so we have their results of their mostly failed adventures – despotic governments throughout Central and South America. No, they are not Western, and they never were.

  66. @pink_point

    Where did you see the Western man decided to defend himself? I see it more committed than ever to suicide.

    It’s Western woman who spread her welcome mat, largely as a virtue-signalling idiot.

    Some may be suicidal, but not my clan (all having kids >2.1/woman.) Whether the USA stays or goes, my family is very much the Golden Goose laying the eggs everyone so desires. (Why else are they flooding into the USA/Europe, if not for the PRODUCT of the high-capability men of mostly European and British ancestry?)

    WE make what they want. THEY can’t produce it. THEY know it.

    THEY only have the power we GIVE them. The moment WE stop HANDING OUR PRODUCT to them, we will drive them from our land. If that land is 100%, 80%, or even 30% of the North American landmass, so what?

    It isn’t the Magic Dirt they want. WE make the magic, not the dirt.

    • Replies: @Ace
  67. @another fred

    Belief in the superiority of Preference for one’s own group is the natural state, belief in equality must be taught, or, in your term, indoctrinated.

    /Too late to edit.

    Why are people from Mestizo land and Sudan flooding into the USA? Because of the climate?

    It astounds me how stupid are some of the comments here. I block Corvinus’ comments for the reason made obvious by his/her notion that Caucasian-made America is NOT superior.

    Is it the Magic Dirt? Is it the Democrat Party? Who or what is it that makes HERE better than THERE?

    Caucasians. Working within the Western Civ rules only Caucasians produced. Notwithstanding all the pathetic Affirmative Action attempts to put blacks/browns in Caucasian costumes (educational institutions and employment), the backbone of what makes North America a wealthy place are the Golden Geese who lay those golden eggs.

    North America without the Caucasians who RUN and MAKE it is what existed here prior to 1492. Without Caucasians, that’s exactly the condition to which it will return (only half of it will be radioactive from the GE nuke power plants melting down.)

    The trend of the last 50 years is about to reverse…or else barbarism will simply spread back over the globe as barbarians from equatorial areas carry it on their backs.

    Today’s morons who think this trend of immivasion is inevitable would have been right there in 1988 predicting that the USSR would take over the world.

  68. @Anonymous

    White people are not victims here. No one forced white people to accept immigrants. Whites brought in a bunch of poor minorities so the white people in that country could live a life of leisure.
    Four week vacations and lots of shopping have their cost no?

    Show me all those working immigrants yielding vacation time for me. I must have missed the memo.

  69. @Patrick

    Feminism has been a curse.

    Yes. And it only exists because of a long period of ease, peace and abundant wealth.

    That’s all going to change, and feminism will be gone. When the gibsmedats and handouts end, 10 million Mestizos will leave and go home. The underclass blacks who riot will be eliminated (mostly by each other, no doubt.)

    When hard times come again (and life is cyclical that way), all this stupidity will be swept away…or those still promoting it will be slaughtered and dumped in mass graves by those who have lost the ability to tolerate such insanity.

  70. @PortersFavTroll

    How do we protect our people if we don’t have enough younger males to fight?

    In turn, how will we have enough younger males to fight for our defense if large numbers of white people don’t have children?

    Two simple questions.

    If you were biologically able to have children and didn’t, then you have little credibility and are part of the problem.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  71. @woodNfish

    The great majority of Hispanics in California and Texas, our two most populous States, are Mexican, nothing else. The majority of Hispanics nationwide are Mexican as well, though not as overwhelmingly outside CA and TX.

    So “Hispanic” in practice means Mexican, at least in CA and TX, and Mexicans do indeed share a common genetic “range” (most of them being minority white Spanish and majority “Native” Indian) and a common cultural background, history, and pride.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  72. @Anon

    I hear that Iceland has already accepted 400-plus Middle Eastern “refugees”, in a tiny country with a population of only about 300,000. If this is true, then they are certainly not resisting in the way that matters most.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  73. Corvinus says:
    @Marcus

    “He did not, and neither did the “founding fathers.” Your text walls of obfuscation can’t hide what I’m going to assume is dishonesty rather than ignorance.”

    Thomas Jefferson stated “All men are created equal”.

    Regarding Lincoln, he was an extremely complex, and conflicted man. Nonetheless, “[t]hree days before he was shot, Lincoln stood on the second floor of the White House and made a speech to a crowd assembled outside celebrating the recent Union victory over the Confederacy. With his troops and Frederick Douglass very much in mind, Lincoln told the cheering crowd, which had demanded that he come to the window to address them, that he had decided to recommend that his 200,000 black troops and “the very intelligent Negroes” be given the right to vote.”

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2009/02/was_lincoln_a_racist/

    BOTH politicians were products of their generation. Regardless, they were also in some respects ahead of their time.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue
    , @Marcus
  74. Corvinus says:
    @another fred

    “Belief in the superiority of one’s own group is the natural state, belief in equality must be taught, or, in your term, indoctrinated.”

    No, it is NOT a statement of fact. Belief in superiority AND equality is taught.

    • Replies: @another fred
  75. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “If you were biologically able to have children and didn’t, then you have little credibility and are part of the problem.”

    That’s utter nonsense. People regardless of their race have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children. I don’t understand why some people decide to remain childless given that I have kids, but that is NOT my place to declare they, especially whites, are in some way harming their own kind by exercising their freedom.

  76. @RadicalCenter

    Nothing matters until it does.

    No trend lasts forever.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  77. @woodNfish

    Your fantasies regarding what Spaniards did five centuries ago, if true, only mean that Hispanics are Spaniard, that is, Europeans. And if Europeans are not white, then what the hell are we?

    But, of course, race has nothing to do with it, in Europe or in the USA or in the American continent.

    Anyway, the insistence on your part over “whiteness” makes it clear what your problem is so it is unsurprising everything else you say is only accidentally related to reality.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  78. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Please define “white interests” and “non-white”. Also, must white people at all times look out for their own kind, and not decide for themselves what are their own personal racial policies?
    Why?

    Implied in your condescending response is that whites have no legitimate group interests, correct? Blacks, Jews, Latinos and Muslims have NAACP, ADL, La Raza, CAIR and numerous other organizations dedicated to furthering the narrow interests of their respective racial or religious groups often at the expense of the white majority.

    Would not whites be discriminating against other whites? Moreover, how do you propose to accomplish these tasks?

    I don’t follow. Whites benefit as a group by overturning all affirmative action programs which is just legalized discrimination against whites, but specifically white males. You would accomplish this through the legislative process and the Republicans failed to deliver in the 1990’s when they had the chance and didn’t even make an attempt after promising they would during the 1994 primaries. The 2016 GOP is so fearful of the media and PC culture that they won’t even broach the subject any longer, but this is still a very attainable goal.

    Yes, it is all fantasy. And your economic program wreaks of socialism.

    Sure, until it isn’t. And a one time payment to leave America is socialism? If so, it’s no more socialistic than welfare, food stamps, medicaid, and section 8 which cost far more than my proposal. But that’s obviously socialism you can believe in.

    Will you be personally leading this crusade, or sitting on the sidelines cheering?

    Nice try, Shlomo. The U.S government is losing moral authority and legitimacy every year. The Congress has had an approval rating of 9-15% since Bush the younger left office. It’s only a matter of time before race based and de facto secessionist movements start taking shape not unlike the Soviet Union which broke apart along racial and ethnic lines.

    Could you please provide links showing those polls with those supermajority percentages?

    http://www.mrctv.org/blog/survey-77-percent-americans-think-illegal-immigration-serious-problem-55-percent-support-hotline-report-illegals
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/04/07/poll-americans-want-deportations-for-illegal-immigrants-n1981771
    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/more-than-half-support-mandatory-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds/

    And of course CNBC and FOX have periodically flashed polls showing anti-immigrant sentiment in the high 60’s and low 70’s. Then you have anecdotal data like failing California Governor Pete Wilson suddenly becoming a rock star by proposing proposition 187 in the 1990’s, Mayor Lou Barletta of Hazleton, PA winning a congressional seat owing to his hard stance on illegal immigration, the defeat of powerful Jewish Congressman and amnesty supporter Eric Cantor, and GOP presidential hopefuls who previously supported amnesty faring badly in the primary. Trump and Cruz had the strongest platforms on immigration and it’s no coincidence they were the last two standing.

    “corrupt and deracinated white elites”.

    Are not these groups still “white”?

    Unless they change and begin supporting their own race (like every other group) then they’ve forfeit that right. It’s only fair that whites begin stigmatizing and ostracizing their own members working against their own group interests like every other racial group does to theirs. Jews deride those deemed disloyal or who see things from a non-Jew’s perspective as “self hating jews” and blacks damn their perceived race traitors as “uncle Tom’s”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  79. @Corvinus

    They ARE harming the rest of us by not doing their part, leaving out children outnumbered and eventually outvoted and then overpowered / persecuted economically and physically.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Ace
  80. @dc.sunsets

    If you’re talking about whites not having enough children, that trend can indeed continue until there are none of us left.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  81. woodNfish says:
    @RadicalCenter

    So “Hispanic” in practice means Mexican

    No, it doesn’t. The category also includes Puerto Ricans and Spaniards. I expect it also includes Portuguese. It was created to create an artificial group large enough for the phony activists claiming to represent “hispanics” to pad their wallets and get welfare benefits on par with blacks for their non-existent “constituents”.

  82. @Corvinus

    You’re on the team or you’re not on the team.

    It’s that simple.

    People are free to choose. They must live with the consequences. If others deem their choice(s) unwise, or even counter to the others’ survival, that might go badly for such people.

    [For example: those who favor “gun control” (a euphemism for a legal monopoly on firearms by political agents, with unofficial but expected exceptions among common—as opposed to political—criminals) will be unwise to ask their gun-owner neighbors for a loaner if they change their minds.]

    Now, back to ignoring Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  83. woodNfish says:
    @Berta Arnason

    You obviously have no clue what I am writing about. The difference between British colonization and Spanish conquering (what part of Conquistador don’t you understand?) is that the British brought their government and culture to their colonies, the Spaniards brought their military and the Jesuit butchers. It has nothing to do with the race of the Europeans.

    You can see the results of it today – find me a single Spanish conquest in the New World that has become a successful first world country. There aren’t any. The Brits colonized the US, Canada and Australia, Hong Kong and India. Guess what the difference is between all those countries and India? Yeah, they aren’t white or Asian. And if that offends you – tough shit!

    • Replies: @Uslabor
  84. @Corvinus

    “Thomas Jefferson stated ‘All men are created equal’.”

    My dear Corvinus, the Declaration of Independence is a political manifesto, not an empirical scientific thesis. The phrase “all men are created equal” has nothing to with biological reality (HBD) and has instead everything to do with the Declaration’s political philosophy, which is why that phrase is followed by a list of the inalienable rights inhering in all men in the political philosophy. John Adams deprecated the phrase and contended that it should have been expressed (and I write this from memory) as “all men are created having equal rights,” as that phrasing more accurately embraces the Declaration’s political nature.

    “That all men are equal is a proposition to which, at ordinary times, no sane human being has ever given his assent.” – Aldous Huxley

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  85. @RadicalCenter

    My kids are having kids. Given our family’s core ethics, my grandkids will have kids.

    My kids have IQ’s in the 140’s. They are firmly grounded in the Civilization of the West.

    Gee whiz, the game is far from over. As a matter of fact, my guess is that if humanity is still around in a thousand years, it will be mostly made up of people who are a lot like my kids. If not, it will be mostly made up of Chinese people, and during that millenium I’ve no doubt that said Chinese people would decide that there was some nice real estate that had only one defect: the natives.

    Chinese people strike me as very practical. People who are genetically doomed to the margin going forward are highly unlikely to have descendants still around in a few centuries. Natural Selection will win, sooner or later. Either the world returns to utter savagery or else the savages will be gone. People with IQ’s below 100 haven’t much to help them.

  86. JSM says:
    @Corvinus

    Nonsense.

    Any White person who fails to have and rear kids then owes a debt to the next generation (which they couldn’t be bothered with helping to create) to kill themselves when they are too old to work.

    Otherwise, the child-free, when old, are just free-rider parasites, demanding health care and
    social welfare (Social Security) from the younger generation that they couldn’t be bothered to help create.

  87. @Corvinus

    No, it is NOT a statement of fact. Belief in superiority AND equality is taught.

    My Goodness, you don’t have to shout.

    Admittedly, I shot from the hip when I quoted your word “superiority”, perhaps you did not notice my later edit. 😉

    Your reply above reeks of the “blank slate”, one of the ugliest and most destructive lies in the sad history of humankind. If you have not noticed there is an avalanche of data coming your way that will sweep that lie away.

    Protest all you want, reality is what will ultimately matter.

    The world’s God is treacherous and full of
    unreason; a torturer, but also
    The only foundation and the only fountain.
    Who fights him eats his own flesh and perishes
    of hunger
    ;

    Robinson Jeffers, Birth Dues

    Bon appetit!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  88. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “Implied in your condescending response is that whites have no legitimate group interests, correct?”

    There was no implication. Whites have the liberty to form groups to further their interests. Just do not demand nor expect all whites to cater to your whims.

    “Blacks, Jews, Latinos and Muslims have NAACP, ADL, La Raza, CAIR and numerous other organizations dedicated to furthering the narrow interests of their respective racial or religious groups often at the expense of the white majority.”

    No different than white nationalist groups.

    “I don’t follow. Whites benefit as a group by overturning all affirmative action programs which is just legalized discrimination against whites, but specifically white males.”

    Affirmative action programs have significant drawbacks. Unfortunately, there were those greedy Southrons who refused to adhere to “separate but equal”, as ruled by in the 1896 Plessy case, thus necessitating direct action.

    “Sure, until it isn’t. And a one time payment to leave America is socialism? If so, it’s no more socialistic than welfare, food stamps, medicaid, and section 8 which cost far more than my proposal. But that’s obviously socialism you can believe in.”

    As long as you are willing to admit your program is socialistic in nature, and that you are ultimately embracing liberalism at the expense of your conservative principles, then work toward inducing whites to pop out kids like Pez dispensers.

    “Nice try, Shlomo. The U.S government is losing moral authority and legitimacy every year. The Congress has had an approval rating of 9-15% since Bush the younger left office.”

    Yet, millions of Americans still believe in the tenets of representative democracy and work feverishly to make it relevant.

    “It’s only a matter of time before race based and de facto secessionist movements start taking shape not unlike the Soviet Union which broke apart along racial and ethnic lines.”

    Until those groups gain significant political and economic clout, YAWN!

    “Most polls consistently show 65-75% of Americans want both illegal immigrants deported and legal immigrants drastically reduced and whites probably make up most of those percentages.”

    I asked for links specific to this statement. Thank you.

    Now, your first survey noted that 51% of respondents replied it is “very serious”, with 26% saying it was “somewhat serious”. Just 23% stated they supported deportation. Moreover, “45% of respondents answered that mass importation would have ‘no real impact’ on their lives and families”, with “52% of respondents claiming they would support a pathway to citizenship”.

    Your second survey noted that 62% of respondents thinks the government is not aggressive enough to deport illegal immigrants. Note that Rasmussen Reports are a conservative-leaning polling group.

    Your third survey asked 913 adults coast to coast if they support or oppose deportation. No surprise in that 87% of Trumpinists are in favor of deportation, with 57% overall agreeing. You do realize that the poll also caters to those on the right.

    I do not dispute that there is public sentiment among a particular group that agrees in deportation of illegal immigrants, but you were touting rather high numbers. Certainly, if the American people desire to have such legislation passed in that illegal immigrants ought to be deported, so be it. We shall see if it comes to pass.

    “Unless they change and begin supporting their own race (like every other group) then they’ve forfeit that right.”

    No, whites do NOT forfeit their “whiteness”. Otherwise, what you are getting at is that race is a social construct. Who gave YOU the authority to declare who is and who is not “white”?

    “It’s only fair that whites begin stigmatizing and ostracizing their own members working against their own group interests like every other racial group does to theirs.”

    Absolutely. Just don’t demand or expect EVERY single white to abide by your wishes. They can make their own decisions on racial matters. Why do you despise personal liberty?

    “Jews deride those deemed disloyal or who see things from a non-Jew’s perspective as “self hating jews” and blacks damn their perceived race traitors as “uncle Tom’s”.”

    SOME Jews engage in this behavior.

    • Replies: @KenH
  89. Corvinus says:
    @Auntie Analogue

    “The phrase “all men are created equal” has nothing to with biological reality (HBD).”

    Undoubtedly, there are racial differences. It just depends on how those differences are determined by scientists. In this day and age, it is not even remotely reasonable to take scientific evidence at face value anymore, much less the pseudoscience so often being substituted for the results produced by genuine, if often flawed, scientists. Anytime a study is cited, there is already a shadow cast over it, especially dealing with race regardless if it is pro- or anti-HBD.

    “and has instead everything to do with the Declaration’s political philosophy, which is why that phrase is followed by a list of the inalienable rights inhering in all men in the political philosophy.”

    Which is more important to American citizens in general than HBD.

  90. Corvinus says:
    @another fred

    “reference for one’s own group is the natural state, belief in equality must be taught, or, in your term, indoctrinated.”

    Wise that you backtracked.

    “Your reply above reeks of the “blank slate”, one of the ugliest and most destructive lies in the sad history of humankind.”

    Mere opinion on your part. The nature vs. nurture debate will rage on, defended by their acolytes.

    A three-year-old is only referenced to their group by being taught by their parents as to the nature and traits of that group. It’s natural in this regard to be told what group they are part of, but it is not the natural state because he or she has yet to display those all or most of the characteristics that actually or supposedly define that group. Moreover, when humans define groups from the “outside looking in”, there own biases and prejudices may very well cloud their reasoning as to what extent the people they are referring to represent that group.

  91. Corvinus says:
    @JSM

    “Any White person who fails to have and rear kids then owes a debt to the next generation (which they couldn’t be bothered with helping to create) to kill themselves when they are too old to work.”

    White people, or people in general for that matter, owe NOTHING to their own kind for choosing not to have offspring. Again, I don’t comprehend that decision, but I certainly am not going to demand that they must commit suicide at a particular age because they are a burden on society.

    “Otherwise, the child-free, when old, are just free-rider parasites, demanding health care and
    social welfare (Social Security) from the younger generation that they couldn’t be bothered to help create.”

    The child-free have every liberty to exist and exercise their own rights. They are not parasites especially if they have worked hard and lived well and made accommodations to ensure they will be taken care of in their own age.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @JSM
  92. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “They ARE harming the rest of us by not doing their part, leaving out children outnumbered and eventually outvoted and then overpowered / persecuted economically and physically.”

    Whites who make the choice to have no kids, or have kids with non-whites, are not harming anyone. You have NO business to demand that they cater to your wishes in this particular regard, especially if whites believe more in humanity than in race, focus more on their faith than on materialism, emphasize freedom instead of fascism.

  93. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    “My kids have IQ’s in the 140′s. They are firmly grounded in the Civilization of the West.”

    Congratulations, but I don’t really care.

    “You’re on the team or you’re not on the team. It’s that simple.”

    And people themselves decide who wears the uniform for their team.

    “People are free to choose. They must live with the consequences.”

    The consequences for “pro-whites” if ALL whites do not join the team are overblown and overstated.

  94. @pink_point

    You made me think of a 4th August many years ago when a very distinguished and scholarly person remarked to me that it was the Xth anniversay of “the end of civilisation”. (He was 28 when WW1 broke out). But you are wrong in your suggestion of a “widening gap between rulers and ruled” as a characteristic of the West in the whole or some large part of the 20th century. Which countries are you thinking of? And in what metric? Disposable incomes and access to consumption goods? No. Education? No. Leisure time? No. Health care? No.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Maybe the USA won’t survive.

    http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/NewMeteorite.html

    ESTIMATING THE TIME/PLACE OF CELESTIAL IMPACTS

    Results from the 3200 year old Bible Code matrices appear to be uniquely correlated with Vulcan, our Sun’s Brown Dwarf companion star, and the specific dates the comet swarms it forms pass thought the inner solar system. The Bible Codes also seem to identify ‘Signs In the Sky’, the place and magnitude of related impact events. Visions of catastrophic giant meteorite or comet collisions, obtained by religious organizations (or individuals), appear to be quantitatively correlated the Bible Code results (e.g. impact place, crater size). They also are qualitatively correlated with the results obtained by military grade Remote Viewers involved in a double blind exercise.

    These results suggest three single or multiple chains of massive celestial impact events may occur before the end of Oct. 2017. These are associated with a comet swarm that has passed through our inner solar system many times before. The main comet swarm may not be visible until 2016 or 2017. Fragments of the main comet swarm may intercept Earth as early as August to October 2016. Impacts from fragments of the main swarm may hit both North America and Europe causing a “natural disaster – the likes of which our country (the USA) has never seen”.

  96. helena says:
    @WG Dupree

    Was the term ‘Western’ introduced in order to include USA in what is otherwise ‘European’?

    ” But at the root, “The West” is white and white culture.”

    At root, ‘The West’ is a body of intellectualism based on Ancient Greece – were ancient Greeks north European in ethnicity? Some people think they were.

    Anyway, the terms West and White are highly confusing.

    The point is, most peoples of European descent, north, east, west and south, would prefer self-rule.

  97. Leftist conservative [AKA "corporate slave wandering down fluorescent hallway"] says: • Website

    we as a society should pay our female citizens to have and raise kids….not in a welfare sense….but if we want women to have kids and raise them, then we should respect that role and put our money where our mouths are…pay them and pay them well…an american citizen who is a female and is having children should be respected for that and should have a sound financial future assured and guaranteed by america…the father should still pay support if not married, but aside from that, we as a society should be ready and willing to put up our money

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  98. Rehmat says:

    “Obama believes that resistance to transformational change in the character and identity of countries of the West, from immigration, can only be the product of sick minds or sick hearts.”

    I hate to agree with Obama on that because like his mother and your ancestors were also White European immigrants who occupied American non-White natives land as did European Jewish terrorists 68 years ago.

    As for Europe being losing its “Whiteness” in this century is concerned, it could be possible as I see in my homeland Canada whose 46% population is non-White.

    Buchanan, I can understand your fear of turning White majority Christian Europe into a Muslim majority continent – but an Israeli rabbi has blessed such transformation for the European’s good – at least on moral ground.

    Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a teacher at Yishva community school in the West Bank, says Jews around the world should be happy at turning Europe into a Muslim majority region.

    “With the help of G-d, the Gentile (non-Jewish) will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” said rabbi – reported by Israeli daily YNet News on November 11, 2012.

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/01/02/rabbi-islamization-of-europe-is-good-for-jews/

    • Replies: @Avery
  99. berserker says:

    ” is there to stop tens of millions of young African men from crossing over in coming decades to fill the empty spaces left by dying Europeans?”

    – I am sure Anders Borg, former Finance Minister of Sweden, is thrilled to bits: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/189515/swedish-minister-looks-forward-europe-turning-daniel-greenfield
    – Why watch tribal warfare from a distance when you can import it into your own backyard; and feel more virtuous in the process.

  100. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    West seems too far gone. East too, at least Japan and S. Korea.

    I doubt if even the Django Murders will turn the tide.

    The narrative, sanctimony, and glamour are with the GLOB.

  101. Marcus says:
    @Corvinus

    That was an attack on the “divine right of kings” theory, Jefferson and his colleagues did not believe that men or races had equal capabilities. It’s true some opposed slavery, mainly because they objected to the presence of blacks ipso facto and wanted to colonize them in Africa or somewhere. Jefferson and most of the “founders” supported Indian Removal as well. You can read some of his racial views here http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/jefferson/ch14.html

  102. Avery says:
    @Rehmat

    {….your ancestors were also White European immigrants who occupied American non-White natives land…..}

    If you have a problem with whites “occupying” non-white native lands in North America, why are you still living in Canada? Why don’t you go back to your native Islamistan?
    Somebody forcing you to stay in “white occupied lands”?

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    , @KA
  103. Grey says:
    @pink_point

    Jews gave us Marxism (Bolshevism/Communism/Socialism) and Germany rose to defend all of Europe and destroy its accursed ideology. If no for the brave German soldiers all of Europe would have been under the iron fist of Stalin and his Jewish handlers. The Zionists brought America into two fratricidal wars in Europe (even though both presidents of the time claimed they wanted to stay out of Europe’s “problems” and ran on that promise) and the Zionists made sure that we would destroy each other through their control of the mainstream media in the west.

    Fast-forward to today. All of the Marxist propaganda rolled out in the late fifties and 1960’s has taken hold in America and Europe. Overpopulation, global-cooling/global-warming, diversity and multiculturalism, etc. It has led us down the road to self-destruction. They have brainwashed almost four generations of white children into hating who they are and loving people who want to take what they have and murder them. It is politically correct to call for the destruction of the white race in universities, news shows, and in the streets.

    The Turner diaries have been prophetic in predicting the future. Black militants are assassinating police officers on live television. Tens of millions of illegal aliens roam our streets, given a free pass to murder Americans by the Marxist democrats. All of our jobs have been given to aliens and minorities and our manufacturing base has fled to China and South-east Asia. The European Union has carried out the same destructive, racist policies in the old world and Germany lost to the French due to a spiteful Italian football referee.

    It’s time to send our multicultural friends back to where they came from and build walls to protect what is left of our civilization. The camp of the saints is under attack and it’s time we woke up and accepted the cold, hard, truth. No one will shed a tear when we are gone, not until the machines we built break down and grind to a deafening silence. Then we will be missed, but only then, only then.

  104. DaveE says:
    @pink_point

    Oh, I dunno….. Jazz, the Apollo Program, the Internet, the double helix, mapping of the human genome, the 3rd industrial revolution (microelectronics), huge advances in every field and art you can name due to the digital age…. All of these things started in the West and are still largely based here.

    As for defending ourselves, yeah, we’re a little slow at coming to grips with exactly WHO the enemy is, but we’re getting there, FAST. Even the NYT can’t keep the word “Israel” off the front page for more than about 27 minutes.

  105. Avery says:
    @Grey

    {If no for the brave German soldiers all of Europe would have been under the iron fist of Stalin and his Jewish handlers….}

    Stalin had no Jewish “handlers”. He didn’t have any handlers: he was his own handler. He wiped out most of his Bolshevik colleagues, including lots of Jewish ones.

    And had those German soldiers stayed out of USSR, all of Europe would be one giant Nazi Germania today: German soldiers did not save anything.

    And “brave” German soldiers were kaput, finished, crushed, destroyed by the Red Army. What stopped the Red Army from racing all the way to the Channel was the Normandy landing by US & UK.

    btw: here is one “brave” German soldier whose GPS got him lost and he ended up far, far away from Berlin.
    Here are some more “brave” German soldiers whose GPS malfunctioned:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  106. joef says:

    Unfortunately I believe we have reached the tipping point in decline, which is not unusual for any civilization in history. This is not simply that we are like 19th century Britain where we sink in status. This is a real decline with racial balkanization and a slowing economy, and unfathomable debt levels (both public and private).
    We have followed the Leftist model into overall failure; and instead of admitting their mistakes, they demand more of the same proclaiming that the failed idea repeated will produce success. They always seem to need more funding for their money pit ideas, which not only fail but also produce bad results.
    It will start with state and municipal defaults with cut in essential services that local govt was traditionally made to provide. And you will see a greedy govt trying to extract taxes, fines, and fees from working and retired citizens while at the same time attempting to provide ever increasing entitlements.
    Crime will be a natural byproduct of this with gangs, home invasions, carjackings, flashmob robberies, riots, and looting taking place at an ever increasing rate.
    As local govt fails to meet its responsibilities the blackmarket and non state actors will fill in the void.
    Along with our coming economic problems, you will see many bankruptcies, and poor distribution of staple items as well. This is nothing new in other nations who have suffered varying degrees of failed state status.
    But the worst of it is that balkanized communities will not be able to come together, even on the local level, because of the careless and irresponsible leftist pushing for increased afro american animosity. Afro americans, as a whole, have completely bought into the white privilege mythology, and scream for race war like spoiled children every time they don’t get their way.
    Declining economics + afro american hatred = a very bad formula for this nation.
    The only good thing is with the decline: leftist will die off from natural selection.

  107. Rehmat says:
    @Avery

    For the same reason six million of your filth is living in non-White Palestine.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/07/gaza-women-of-resistance/

    • Replies: @Avery
  108. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Grey

    Clever clever Brad Sherman (and his white front-man Peter Roskam)

    House passes legislation blocking Boeing sale to Iran Air

    AIPAC started the ball rolling with sanctions against Iran in 1995 — it cost a US oil firm a lucrative contract (the Chinese performed the contract & collected the revenue).

    Boeing workers must be delighted to see however many jobs will disappear with Brad Sherman’s Israel-centric stunt.

    Listen to Sherman’s rationale — “we don’t have to finance this deal . . . and we want to protect the banks & depositors . . . lest the people be forced to bail out the banks.”

    Ya right.

    57 states, including Israel and even Britain, are taking definitive steps to de-link from global dollar dominance. http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/u-s-betrayed-real-reason-britain-left-european-union/?z=523876

    “International Jewry” got away with it when they declared an economic war on Germany 1933 – 1940.
    (The goal of destroying Germany was to pull Germany into the Warburg-designed debt-bank system which Hjalmar Schacht and the NSDAP had resisted. Interesting that Stalin is the only nation that did not join the Bretton Woods system that Harry Dexter White crammed down the throat of John Maynard Keynes. Dexter White spied for Moscow.

    Is it possible Iran played the US Congress, and that Sherman led the dumb dupes into the trap, and that the USA is going to be left holding the bag?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  109. Stalin had no Jewish “handlers”. He didn’t have any handlers: he was his own handler. He wiped out most of his Bolshevik colleagues, including lots of Jewish ones.

    Please prove that he didn’t have any handlers.

    I, on the other hand, would argue that his financiers and his buddies, such as Churchill and FDR, were at least to some extent his handlers as well. They even supported Stalin when he and Hitler were allies!

    Do you have any idea of the extent of Stalin’s Wall Street support? Are you aware that they would not have financed him if they couldn’t handle him to some degree? If not, Google is your friend.

    And you can start with these concepts.

    “…that some of the same forces which gave Hitler his start had also started Lenin and his staff of revolutionists from Switzerland to St. Petersburg to begin the revolution which was to result in the Soviet totalitarian state.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Chap 7

    Famous names, Vanderbilt, Lamont, Whitney, Morgan, mingled with those of communist leaders. The Russian Institute was so respectable that it was allowed to give in-service courses to New York City schoolteachers for credit.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Chap 11

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Regnum Nostrum
  110. Avery says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    {Please prove that he didn’t have any handlers.}

    It is not logically possible to prove a negative.
    You have to prove he had handlers, by providing hard evidence – which you cannot, because there are none. Some guy writing a book and making an assertion proves nothing. Just one man’s opinion.

    On the other hand, voluminous circumstantial evidence – Stalin’s documented life and his actions – indicate a shrewd, paranoid, smart, strong willed individual, who rose through the Bolshevik ranks in face of strong, scheming competition, and did not hesitate to kill anyone whom he suspected of being against him.

    • Replies: @Outwest
  111. Avery says:
    @Rehmat

    {For the same reason six million of your filth is living in non-White Palestine.}

    What does one have to do with the other, senile swine?
    It’s those methane fumes you have been inhaling in the Canadian pig farm, isn’t it?

    About those “six million of your filth”: not mine, but the 6 million or so Jewish Israelis appear far more clean than the millions and million of your Pakistani kin wallowing in dirt, filth, and mud in your former filthy homeland, from whence you escaped and are currently squatting in clean, safe, prosperous Christian Canada.

  112. It is not logically possible to prove a negative.

    True, but a mere technicality because one can prove a mutually exclusive positive if the original assertion is false. Anyway, you made the claim so the onus probandi is on you. Defend it if you can.

    PS: Your consistent resort to ad hominem attacks are neither impressive nor do they support your position.

    If you don’t like Bella Dodd, you could read the likes of Gareth Jones or Eugene Lyons and a whole host of others as well.

    Like I said, Google is your friend unless you choose to remain deluded.

    • Replies: @Avery
  113. @SolontoCroesus

    Quite right. I’m as Anglocentric as the next guy and more than most, but what definition of “western civilization” or “the west” can possibly be viable without France, Germany and Italy?

    You can narrowcast by excluding the Orthodox version of East [I tend to think of them as the Eastern part of the West, for my part- they are external to the West only if you keep the frame of reference narrow]. You can even strip away the Dutch and the Spanish or the Poles, though at this point much of importance is lost. But you can’t have the West without France, Germany and Italy. France and Italy are the chief seats of Western civilization.

    [I know Sonderweg theorists tried to cast Germany as something not-West, but c’mon. German cultural development is post-Roman, post-Frankish, and heavily linked to France and Italy throughout. And giving back to them as well. Germany is core-West.]

  114. @Jacques Sheete

    Du you mean Bella Dud and her Pool of Crap? Personally I find Little Red Riding Hood more factual.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  115. @Regnum Nostrum

    Personally I find Little Red Riding Hood more factual.

    No doubt much more accessible to you as well.

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  116. Avery says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    {Like I said, Google is your friend unless you choose to remain deluded.}

    Google is your friend too: is that why you chose to become deluded?

  117. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Avery

    Russia’s total fertility rate at just under 1.8 is still well below the replacement rate of 2.1, just like that of every other European nation.

    European population decline without mass replacement immigration might be a good thing. It would allow a general improvement in quality of life, leading eventually to a revival in birthrates with stabilization of population at a lower level.

    But the combination of mass replacement immigration with programs for the suppression of European fertility through state-funded slaughter of the unborn (at a rate in Britain almost equal to the net immigration rate) and compulsory sex “education,” which teaches that the only sexual vice is reproduction, constitutes a program for the sure, silent, and until now, protest-free extermination of the European people.

    This genocide is not happening by chance. It is the direct result of deliberate policies imposed by Western elites and enforced with the aid of the Political Correctness, the state-backed religion of the West. It is program in which all recent Western leaders have been complicit, from Tony Blair to Frau Merkel, race-baiting Obama, and Canada’s very own liberal wonderboy, Justin Trudeau.

    Reversing the tide means trashing political correctness, restoring respect for traditional religious and moral precepts, devising child-friendly fiscal policies, and repatriating jobs offshored to the Third World.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Avery
  118. joef says:

    All this ‘international jewry’ conspiracy’ talk distracts us from our real problems. The conspiracy that all jews know what each other are thinking like some sort of borg collective is just more collectivist guilt. Collectivist guilt is not rational for the most part. Not everyone in a particular group agrees with each other or even gets along with each other. It is impossible within the realm of human nature that every person within a group act in total unity without any dissent.
    Even if the premise were true that there was a small cabal of a particular group conspiring for a malicious goal – – does that make all nonparticipant persons within that group responsible for it.
    Even with my own criticism of current majority afro american dysfunctional blame whitey attitudes (which I believe most subscribe too under Leftist influences), I must acknowledge that not all of them are part of the program. Making one person guilty for another is not what our system was based upon. Groups do have traits however a person should be judged on their own individual actions only.
    For full disclosure, I am speaking from a point of view of a rustbelt city paleo conservative ethnic Roman Catholic.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  119. Outwest says: • Website
    @Avery

    FDR was clear that he could handle Uncle Joe. FDR was clear about a lot of things.

  120. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    It’s been said of Wall Street… “privatize the profits, socialize the losses”

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tanaiste-agrees-to-accept-more-refugees-into-ireland-743525.html

    Virtue-Vanity is the drug of the West, and those who do it don’t suffer the immediate consequences of their actions.

    They personalize the ‘virtue'(take moral credit for themselves) while socializing the burden on the ‘little’ people of the nation.

    The likes of Tanaiste and Merkel don’t suffer the problems of mass invasion but hog all the moral credit as Mother Courage.

    Such virtue-vainglory isn’t true virtue as it’s really self-serving and self-aggrandizing, esp when you take all the credit at the expense of others.

    But then, what kind of a world is it where allowing massive invasion into your country is regarded as some kind of virtue?

  121. @Jacques Sheete

    What makes you think that Bella Dud and her Pool of Crap is less accessible to me? Both books are on my night table, right next to my bed and equally accessible. Little Red Riding Hood is my favorite fairy tale but after reading some of your comments I am beginning to wonder if the Big Bad Wolf does not have Jewish handlers. Bella Dud is my favorite piece as far as comedy literature is concerned. It always takes me out of a depression which I frequently suffer after reading comments like yours and other related nonsense.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  122. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @joef

    hmm. you from the same rustbelt city I’m from?
    Roman Catholic? check
    ethnic? check. but most people are of some ethnic background or other
    don’t know what “paleoconservative” means but other than that, looks like we have a few things in common.

    About that “International Jewry” reference in #110 — it’s a specific reference, to a specific group, that self-identified as “International Jewry” and carried out the project just as described. Should have included a link to the primary reference, but most internet search engines will be rewarded.

    It’s not a “conspiracy” that a group self-identified as “international Jewry” carry out an effort to destroy Germany’s economy. That’s a fact of history, supported by evidence pretty hard to refute.

    Comment #110 did not implicate all Jews in the actions of “international Jews” to destroy Germany, nor assign “collectivist” inclusion or guilt.
    Those were your interpretations, not warranted by the text of #110.

    re

    “Even if the premise were true that there was a small cabal of a particular group conspiring for a malicious goal – – does that make all nonparticipant persons within that group responsible for it.”

    The premise is factually true, but again, comment #110 did not assert that “all nonparticipant persons within that group were responsible for it.”

    re your opening statement,

    All this ‘international jewry’ conspiracy’ talk distracts us from our real problems.

    I disagree with that statement, with the caveat that the original reference to the actions in 1933-140 of “international Jewry” was not a “conspiracy” but an action that occurred in history. Recognition of that action in history could and should be used to alert us to recognize similar patterns, and inform us of the possible consequences of carrying out that pattern again.

    Thus, highlighting the pattern of actions is not a “distraction” from our real problems but, in the context of comment #110, precisely on point: Brad Sherman represents a particular agenda and is leading the representatives of the American people as a collective to take actions that will harm the interests of the American people.

    A representative sampling of Brad Sherman’s rhetoric and actions, regarding Iran; and the correlation of his actions with a larger, overtly anti-Iran agenda that is being conducted by groups such as WINEP, AIPAC, Israel’s Likud as well as such open and notorious spokesmen for Israel’s interests as Dennis Ross, seem to me to make the common sense case that Sherman is acting in concert with an element or cabal or group who advance Israel’s interests, frequently at the expense of American interests, and he is doing so in the case of leading the charge against Boeing’s acceptance of a contract to sell planes to Iran.

    • Replies: @joef
  123. Corvinus says:
    @CanSpeccy

    There is no white genocide taking place, nor has it been developed by “western elites”. Furthermore, “political correctness” is a social rather than a religious phenomenon.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  124. Avery says:
    @CanSpeccy

    {Russia’s total fertility rate at just under 1.8 is still well below the replacement rate of 2.1, just like that of every other European nation.}

    You are quite correct that Russia is still well below the replacement number of 2.1
    But what I said was that Putin administration arrested the decline and there is a small increase past few years. It’s work in progress: can’t reverse decades of assaults on Russian people and Russian family overnight.
    Also largely agree with the rest of your post, particularly:
    {Reversing the tide means trashing political correctness, restoring respect for traditional religious and moral precepts, devising child-friendly fiscal policies,…}

    Fortunately, patriotic Russian leaders and Russian Orthodox Christianity are consciously and deliberately working in that direction. The various mental diseases that have infected the EU elites are vigorously resisted by Russian leaders and its people. Past few years, Putin has been publicly awarding very large families at the Kremlin. 5,6,….10 children. Families from all of RF, of course. But from what I remember large families present were proportionate to ethnic makeup of RF (judging by appearance).

    So there is hope, at least in Russia.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  125. @Regnum Nostrum

    What makes you think that Bella Dud and her Pool of Crap is less accessible to me?

    I meant accessible as in “comprehensible.” It had nothing to do with your bedroom geography, and your dissertation on such proves my suspicion correct.

  126. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @Rurik

    [or the record, Bolshevism/communism was an invention designed specifically for the destruction of the West, by the most intractable and determined enemies that the West ever faced.

    Hitler and the Nazis simply decided to fight the Fiend, (Jewish international capitalism/Bolshevism/communism/equality/diversity) – hell bent on the destruction, not just of Germany

    It all started in 1913, when one man’s trite vanity was responsible for the ultimate destruction of Western civilization; Woodrow Wilson.

    Well ok, that’s a common opinion I guess, but I disagree about the reason why the Communists came about, namely, one concept is that it was to put a cap on the development of Russia. It made russia into really in a longer view, a vassal state to the West : to wit: Lend Lease support andthen ”hands off ”Cold War, letting it stumble along alone which effectively stopped its potential ascendency. Russia didn’t develop all it could, the purpose was to keep Russia hamstrung by the communist internal squabbling about all the marxist dialectical brinksmanship and Stalin’s paranoia, while the… ”fiends” did America to the max.

    And on the point of population and repopulation, like in the weather, high pressure areas flow toward low pressure areas. That’s about all you need to know about it. Or, to make it clear, the breeding populations will have a surplus to send to areas where there is more space available, (Lebensraum) haha.

    The west’s good intentions about restraining itself in overpopulating its every fertile arable farmland but fell short to not have enough sense to send shiploads of contraceptives to the turd world!
    Religions are to blame. Hypocrites pushing fairey tales, and Athiest oriented half hearted socialism.

    • Replies: @edNels
  127. Will the West Survive the Century?

    No.

  128. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    There is no white genocide taking place …

    No, and in London, Luton, and Leicester the English have not been made a minority in their own home town — except that they have. Same within the decade in England’s second city, Birmingham and in many other British urban areas.

    And, no the English in England do not have a below replacement fertility, nor do Libyian women in England have an average of more than five children, except that in both cases they do.

    Furthermore, “political correctness” is a social rather than a religious phenomenon.

    And religion is not a social phenomenon?

  129. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Avery

    The various mental diseases that have infected the EU elites are vigorously resisted by Russian leaders and its people.

    The mental disease of the EU elites is obsessive greed.

    They will do anything for money, like the Blair’s.

    There is a system in place which allows the plutocracy to dictate policy. The system was described by Thomas Macaulay, more than 150 years ago in his History of England Since the Accession of James II.

    Politicians serve the money power in return for financial and other rewards after office. There is nothing illegal about this. And as a mechanism of plutocratic control it is highly reliable.

    The politician in power can be sure that the payoff will be made, not because the interest he serves is honest, but because the interest he serves must convince whoever succeeds the politician currently in power, that it is trustworthy.

    In the West, the goal of the money power is genocide as a means to destroy the power and independence of the sovereign nation state, thereby making way for the money power to achieve global control, aka global governance through money-power-directed global institutions, such as the EU, WTO, World Bank, etc.

    Russia’s elite see things differently to Western elites. For them, the issue is control of Russia’s vast resources, which means gearing up to defend Russia in a new global war for which the US is organizing the West. To survive the onslaught, Russia desperately needs more people, and needs a loyal citizenry that will bear up under the hardships of a new war. Hence the Russian elite supports the nationalist cause and the rebuilding of Russia’s population.

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  130. Ace says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Superb. The West has awesome military power but unarmed, illiterate primitives in rubber rafts sail past modern warships and unarmed, illiterate primitives carrying diaper bags and wearing tennis shoes walk unmolested past Western border “guards.”

    Warnings followed by lethal force will stop and dissuade all the population surpluses generated by third-world primitives from attempting to invade the West.

    The U.S. was a fantastic country in 1940, and majority white, with a population of 132,000,000. We don’t need the third world and, in point of fact, the third world will destroy our civilization.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  131. @Jacques Sheete

    If you cannot express yourself correctly in a single sentence on a simple subject what makes you think you are qualified to discuss more complicated matters. By the way I was not describing my bedroom geography but my bedroom layout and only to make you understand the meaning of the word accessible. To call my response a dissertation makes me blush with pride but buttering me up will get you nowhere. I am not sure how my description of bedroom layout proves my inability to comprehend a simple book but to discover the origin of Universe is probably simpler than to discover the inner workings of your mind.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  132. @CanSpeccy

    The only difference between Western elites and Russian elites is the language they speak.

  133. Sam Shama says:

    Most commenting here are surely aware, or at least ought to be, of the rise and fall of civilisations; and should we at the moment be in the midst of a waning Western one, is a matter perhaps of definition. I cannot easily refute the notion that in more ways than fewer, Western civilisation has won; and the world at large has adopted it’s norms. Broadly speaking that is, and of the key factors that define civilisations, at the apex must be language, and here ‘Rule Britannia’ has no serious contenders, does it?

    So while the question of language [in literature, science, commerce and law] reigns supreme and upstages geographic barriers, I daresay I adore local flavours and given a choice I should prefer that they stay local and authentic as far as practicable. [There is nothing more dis-orienting than negotiating a ‘cup’ of tea in London these days e.g, served in styrofoam at the many Starbucks popping up with fungi-like vigour 🙂 ]. Which is to say that on balance I favour assimilation over diversity, and the key to such a state, numbers of immigrants are of the essence.

    But do correct me if you will, it does appear that to many, the colour of the skin is the base determining quality identifying groups, yet larger groups and eventually ‘cultures’. I know that HBD types will scream genes etc. but the fact remains that it is the colour of the skin to which the overwhelming numbers do react, or do they not? A simple answer please. And, if it is indeed the skin colour that causes strife I can easily envision a not too distant future, when genetic science will allow mankind to switch phenotype quite as effortlessly as choosing the morning jacket.

  134. @Ace

    … in point of fact, the third world will destroy our civilization.

    That could be true, but if it is, then we’re probably not as great as some of us think we are. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t fill my diapers as much over fear of the third worlders, as over the enemy within.

    “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

    — Rep. Larry McDonald

    He was a passenger on board Korean Air Lines Flight 007 when it was supposedly shot down by Soviet interceptors and presumed dead.

    http://rense.com/general91/lry.htm

    • Replies: @Ace
  135. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    West is weird.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_tax_(antisemitic_canard)

    (Wiki and Snopes are hilarious. They call the ‘tax’ a ‘canard’, but what they describe does point to something like a hidden tax on all us all.)

    As if Kosher ‘Tax’ on food isn’t silly enough, we now have Homosher Tax on so many food items.

    (“we are all same inside”? I think inside a fecal hole is different from inside a womb.)

  136. artichoke says:
    @Berta Arnason

    Hispanics and blacks didn’t build this place. Despite Obama’s explicit denial, we did. We built it, mostly non-Jewish whites, and some Ashkenazi Jews. We’re the special people who made it happen, who built it.

    • Replies: @KA
  137. joef says:
    @anonymous

    Thank you for your clarifications. I do not mean the word conspiracy in strictly a conspiracy theory sense, but also as a legal definition: “with intent that conduct constituting a crime be performed, he agrees with one or more persons to engage in or cause the performance of such conduct”. – – But this is what I have difficulty with: that its almost impossible to prove a secret conspiracy even if they do exist because the potential participants, especially if they are at the elite level, will do their best to keep that information from us.
    I admit that I am biased in support of Israel and Jews in general. By suffering the holocaust any group will tend to be more aggressive and reactive (& overreactive) in pushing for their own survival in the future. And this unfortunately will last until the living memory of the event exists and the retributions between them and the Palestinians continue.
    However that does not mean I blindly agree with everything that has been performed on their behalf: the bombing of the USN Liberty, the eviction of multigenerational West Bank residents in order to have Israeli citizens occupy (squat in) them, the contributing push for us to enter an unnecessary war in Iraq by LIKUD, AIPAC, and the Neocons. By going into Iraq we created the political/social void for ISIS to materialize.
    I myself have been attacked for being antiSemitic for making the above criticisms. Some do it because they have a paranoid belief that anyone who criticizes Israel and or Jews must be wanting a 2nd Holocaust. Others do this to simply silence the debate [just like afro americans love to loosely throw around the word ‘racist’ when you disagree with them]; and by doing so, it dilutes any legitimate meaning of the accusation.

  138. @Regnum Nostrum

    …only to make you understand the meaning of the word accessible.

    Gawd yer comments are a riot! ROFL. Anyway, FYI, in this context, there is no “the” meaning of the word, “accessible;” there are several meanings, and while I was using it to mean “understandable,” or “comprehensible,” as in the story of Little Red Riding Hood is surely more understandable to you than Dodd’s book, you took it to mean that they are nearby, or near at hand, or in close geographical vicinity, hence my reference to geography.

    If you were even minimally facile in the use of Google, you could have easily found something like this and could’ve had someone ‘splain it to ya.:

    ac·ces·si·ble
    əkˈsesəb(ə)l/
    adjective
    adjective: accessible
    1.
    (of a place) able to be reached or entered.
    “the town is accessible by bus”
    synonyms: reachable, attainable, approachable; More
    (of an object, service, or facility) able to be easily obtained or used.
    “making learning opportunities more accessible to adults”
    easily understood.
    “his Latin grammar is lucid and accessible”
    synonyms: understandable, comprehensible, easy to understand, intelligible; formal exoteric
    “his accessible style of writing”

    (of a person, typically one in a position of authority or importance) friendly and easy to talk to; …

    Capisce?

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  139. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    No different than white nationalist groups.

    Incorrect. White nationalist groups don’t get taxpayer funding, government grants or tax exempt status, and don’t get routinely invited to the White House and halls of Congress to discuss racial and political issues along with favorable media coverage. Unofficial U.S. policy is that whites are not allowed to have racial interests and the media follows suit in disparaging any white race nationalist organizations.

    As long as you are willing to admit your program is socialistic in nature, and that you are ultimately embracing liberalism at the expense of your conservative principles, then work toward inducing whites to pop out kids like Pez dispensers.

    You need to re-read my original response. If you think a one-time payment to non-whites to leave the country smacks of socialism and liberalism we have problems. But I agree whites need to pop out kids like Pez dispensers. Oh, and I’m not a dittohead conservative.

    Yet, millions of Americans still believe in the tenets of representative democracy and work feverishly to make it relevant.

    Huh? Congress’s approval rating is so low because representative democracy has broken down and doesn’t represent the people any longer.

    Now, your first survey noted that 51% of respondents replied it is “very serious” …….Your second survey noted that 62% of respondents thinks the government is not aggressive enough to deport illegal immigrants…… You do realize that the poll also caters to those on the right.

    Unfortunately I could not find a poll that supported the high of 75% but some of the figures in the links reached 64% with 83% saying citizenship must be a prerequisite to receive public benefits. But I have seen the 75% figure on Lou Dobbs and a few other shows the last few years but could not find anything useful in the archives. And it isn’t just wicked white conservatives who support deportations. From the Investors BD poll link:

    “More interesting still is the fact that 64% of independents and 55% of moderates support deportation.”

    Now, left wing oriented groups can conduct a weasel worded survey to “prove” that the majority of Americans support a path to citizenship. Considering that Democrats could not pass amnesty legislation even when they had majorities in Congress from 2006 to 2010 should prove that opposition to illegal immigration and support for deportation is more than a mere 51% and is a bipartisan issue although it is significantly higher among Republicans and many independents.

    No, whites do NOT forfeit their “whiteness”. Otherwise, what you are getting at is that race is a social construct. Who gave YOU the authority to declare who is and who is not “white”?

    Didn’t say that. I said/meant that they forfeit their right to speak for whites and to assume leadership positions since they would not have our best interests at heart. Their skin color can’t change regardless of their beliefs and political orientation.

    Absolutely. Just don’t demand or expect EVERY single white to abide by your wishes. They can make their own decisions on racial matters. Why do you despise personal liberty?

    Again, you’re putting words into my mouth. Whites who oppose their own people can say what they want, but must understand and live with the consequences that result from opposing the interests of their own people. Rachel Dolezal and half Jew Tim Wise (who claims to be white) are prime examples of who I’m referring to.

    SOME Jews engage in this behavior.

    No most, but they just don’t always do it publicly.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  140. @Priss Factor

    I’d like to second that. Phil Weiss does a great job, and that article was full of good stuff.

    Mondoweiss is consistently well worth reading in my humble opinion.

  141. @Sam Shama

    And I thought I might like to meet you. Waste of time. Boring. I agree with every word.

    Somehow i have lost my lengthy account of sad evidences of ordinary people reacting nastily or just crassly to black skin – and even it seems to the colour of attractive young subcontintentals.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sam Shama
  142. @JSM

    Outside Africa black Africans seem generally to be given a bad time by many ordinary people in most countries and it doesn’t serm to be commensurate with the small number of young black men newly intriducedto cars and alcohol.

    An attractive young law student scrutineering for the Greens at last Saturday’s election vote count surprised me by indicating that she thought dark skin in Australia did create problems. She was relaxed enough to say her Bombay grandmother told her not to go out in the sun because it would makeher skin go black when I quoted my Tamil dermatologist quoting her grandmother saying just that.

  143. @Corvinus

    I’ve just read a long London Review of Books piece which introduced me to the notion (entertained by Koreans anyway) that there was a massacre of protestors in Kwangju (various spellings mostly starting with G) in 1980 in which the US military assisted and was worse than China’s Tianmen Square massacre of 1989…

    New to me.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  144. @KenH

    You are surely far too late. After the rise of the creative entrepreneurs in the UK for several hundred years small families anongst the upper middle classes, starting with non Catholics, started to become the fashion from about 1880. And now professional women breed sparsely and late. The white West has been breeding dysgenically for too long already. That’s why I am pleased to see the bright young Chinese and Indians supplementing our Australian population.

  145. @Wizard of Oz

    See #145 as my attempted axdendum to #144

  146. @Sam Shama

    And see #148 I think and #145

  147. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve just read a long London Review of Books piece which introduced me to the notion (entertained by Koreans anyway) that there was a massacre of protestors in Kwangju (various spellings mostly starting with G) in 1980 in which the US military assisted and was worse than China’s Tianmen Square massacre of 1989…

    I didn’t even know that was ever disputed. I remember reading all the articles about the gigantic massacre in the NYT at the time, which came in the aftermath of the military coup and popular uprising. It’s been over 35 years and I’ve never once thought about it since, but my vague impression is that many, many thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands, of Korean civilians were killed as several cities were attacked and retaken. From what I recall, the Korean military was under overall U.S. command at the time, which people argued made the U.S. somewhat complicit, though I don’t recall reading about any American forces actually participating. But I’m sure all those recollections are very fuzzy after 35 years.

    On the other hand, my strong impression is that the endlessly famous “Tianmen Square Massacre” eventually turned out to be more or less a Western MSM hoax…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Corvinus
  148. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The problem is not population decline but population replacement. It doesn’t matter if you lose a few million people over time as long as they are not replaced by others. I am pretty sure Japan will still be Japan in 2100 long after Great Britain is a majority non-white country. Speaking of which within living memory Canada was more then 98% white, Australia 99%, New Zealand 96%, the USA 86%, while Great Britain and France were virtually 100%.

    Something VERY WRONG happened to the west in the second half of the twentieth century. It isn’t that hard to believe in conspiracies. This happened by design, not by fate.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  149. @JSM

    The UR software again defeated me. My intended reply to you is to point out

    1. that so many people’s offspring are predictably useless or worse that refraining from reproducing should be applauded.

    Presumably you would encourage abortion of a microcephalic foetus or one with Downs Syndrome? What about taking the risk on Huntingdon’s disease or fragile X syndrome?

    2. Many of us in our senior years will have saved up and be providing investment capital to productive enterprises. Do we get to live if we are actively choosing which equities to invest in? Or even if we delegate that task to fund managers? A nay to that lasr means huge savings: we can dispense with most fund managers also.

    • Replies: @JSM
  150. @Ron Unz

    The young Ron Unz at Harvard or about to be had a huge advantage in learning that over a middling age provincial politician in Oz still unconnected by the www to the last minute’s news.

    I assume the MSM hoax you are referring to is the use or misuse of visuals to give a misleading impression of the scale of the “massacre”. Still, it is interesting that people in Hong Kong commemorate it annually (i think). Plenty of explanations for that of course.

    The LRB review which a UN ambassador’s wife sent me in advance of my getting my hard copy is well worth reading – search for Thomas Meaney – though I have emailed the URL (I don’t know how to copy and paste on my phone) it will provide background on him to get his review that way.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  151. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “On the other hand, my strong impression is that the endlessly famous “Tianmen Square Massacre” eventually turned out to be more or less a Western MSM hoax”

    You’re going to have to be more specific. In what way was this a “hoax”? Please elaborate.

    “It’s been over 35 years and I’ve never once thought about it since, but my vague impression is that many, many thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands, of Korean civilians were killed as several cities were attacked and retaken.”

    Rather than focus on your “vague impression”, conduct research. Wikipedia says 606 died in this uprising. Others argue that 1 to 2 thousand people died.

    Here is an eyewitness account.

    http://www.koreaobserver.com/may-18th-1980-an-eyewitness-account-of-gwangju-massacre-28666/

    If there was American complicity, where? Show me sources and facts.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  152. @anon

    You are missing something. White breeding has been dysgenic for so long that countries like Australia which are getting good quality immigrant from India and China will be OK for quite a long time. I suppose a leftish government dependent on unions which, apart from corrupt building and construction extortionists are public sector could drive the brightest and best offshore with its tax policies. That would probably be survivable without disaster just as ridiculous panderings to the global warmists are. Oh for a Lee Kwan Yew: I’ld make him PM for 15 years.

    • Replies: @anon
  153. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “Incorrect. White nationalist groups don’t get taxpayer funding, government grants or tax exempt status, and don’t get routinely invited to the White House and halls of Congress to discuss racial and political issues along with favorable media coverage.”

    Please show me specifically where NAACP, ADL, La Raza, and CAIR get tax payer funding, government grants, and tax exempt status.

    Besides, I can’t help that you are not doing your job in promoting your agenda. Why are you blaming others for your own ineptness?

    Regardless, the point you have yet to dispute is that white nationalist groups, like leftist groups. also have narrow interests to promote their particular agenda.

    “You need to re-read my original response. If you think a one-time payment to non-whites to leave the country smacks of socialism and liberalism we have problems. But I agree whites need to pop out kids like Pez dispensers. Oh, and I’m not a dittohead conservative.”

    First, any payment to non-whites to leave the country IS socialism and liberalism. Second, whites can make their own decisions regarding family formation.

    “Huh? Congress’s approval rating is so low because representative democracy has broken down and doesn’t represent the people any longer.”

    Regardless of the low ratings, most Americans STILL believe in representative democracy and in general are working to fix matters despite Congressional gridlock.

    “Unfortunately I could not find a poll that supported the high of 75%…”

    Exactly. You mouthed off and got busted in the process.

    “Now, left wing oriented groups can conduct a weasel worded survey to “prove” that the majority of Americans support a path to citizenship. Considering that Democrats could not pass amnesty legislation even when they had majorities in Congress from 2006 to 2010 should prove that opposition to illegal immigration and support for deportation is more than a mere 51% and is a bipartisan issue although it is significantly higher among Republicans and many independents.”

    We agree that polls are not necessarily accurate.

    “Didn’t say that. I said/meant that they forfeit their right to speak for whites and to assume leadership positions since they would not have our best interests at heart. Their skin color can’t change regardless of their beliefs and political orientation.”

    Nope. Whites do NOT forfeit anything. They can speak for other whites, they can assume leadership positions, they can do what they want. Just because YOU believe ALL whites must be in lockstep, lest they are deemed “anti-white”, does not mean you are justified in your thought process.

    “Again, you’re putting words into my mouth. Whites who oppose their own people can say what they want, but must understand and live with the consequences that result from opposing the interests of their own people. Rachel Dolezal and half Jew Tim Wise (who claims to be white) are prime examples of who I’m referring to.”

    Except whites are NOT opposing “their own people”, they are focusing on the interests of humanity. They are making their own decisions when it comes to racial matters.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @KenH
  154. @JSM

    And another extension for Ron Unz surely.

    A couple of days ago I observed to a smart young investment manager that the clever great grandmothers who had 15 children of today’s clever female CEOs did a lot more for their countries than the CEOs. To which my smart friend added “than the make ones too”. Which is right but doesn’t make my point less valid – rather the reverse. Yet when I suggested to our then Federal Treasurer some modest fiscal relief to young female graduates having babies he dismissed it glibly with “elitist”. Unfortunately I didn’t leap up and shout “FFS it’s meant to be!”.

  155. Boris N says:

    The prediction for Ukraine is rather inflated and optimistic. Already in 2014 there were just 45M. Subtract from that 10M, because the Crimea is 2M and the Donetsk and Lugansk regions are 8M, and you get 35M right now. Most probably by 2050 Ukraine would be hardly 30M, most probably around 25M.

    But the bitter irony is that in 2014 Eastern Ukrainians lost not only ideologically, but demographically. During the upcoming 35 years, Eastern and Southern Ukraine will perish the most, while Western Ukraine most likely will keep its population at the same level. For now the population growth in the West remains around 0%, sometimes a little higher or lower, while in the East it is noticeably lower. At the same time those Western Ukrainians, who will not flee overseas, will migrate to the depopulated Eastern Ukrainian cities. Many report that just for the last two years Kiev has been largely repopulated by migrants from the Western Ukrainian rural hinterland.

  156. @Corvinus

    Yes but see my responses to JSM. And I might have added to my personalising one answer that even people like Ron’s parents have to get a pass because even a single parented genius can nore than justify the parents lack of fertility. Mind you, apart from there being plenty of time for young Unz’s to appear, there is the presumption of a “going concern” as an accountant would put it. One needs to have someone to deal with one’s corpse and recite the right words if it is not just to choke the vultures.

  157. @Leftist conservative

    And would you be happy with the result if your subsidies led to unintelligent women having many children by the age of 25 but intelligent women at best hsving just one more child – and all when over 30? (Do some maths before replying).

  158. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says:

    Can BDS morph from boycott of Israeli business to even Jewish-American businesses in Hollywood, Wall Street, Las Vegas, Silicon Valley, and etc. that are supportive of Israel’s Occupation policies?

  159. Boris N says:

    As for Russia. It is unlikely that Russia will loose anything in the terms of raw numbers, it will remain at its 140M or so. But the population profile will suffer in its quality. For those who never considered Russia a Western country, their doubts will be justified, because a large proportion of the Russian population will be Asiatics from Central Asian republics. By 2050 those 5 countries together will reach 100M, and it is naive to believe such a great population surplus will not flow out. However, they will not be resettled in Russia evenly, but will be concentrated in the Moscow metropolitan area which by 2050 may reach 50M, and no less than 30M may be Asiatics.

    As for ethnic Russians, their today 120M will most certainly drop under 100M. How low it might become is difficult to say. But today ethnic Russians over 40 years old are roughly 60M, by 2050 they will all die or will be about to die, so only 60M will survive (and 30M of them will be over 60 years old), and with the fertility rate below 1.5 hardly 20M of Russians will be born during the upcoming 35 years. It will not be surprising to say that by 2050 there will be only 80M of ethnic Russians of the entire 140M Russian population.

    Though it will be hardly different with the situation in Europe and North America. The century of Afrasia is coming.

  160. @anonymous

    Would you please explain what you mean by Iran (maybe) having played the US Congress? How and to what end?

    And was Sherman supposed to be in on the game, or also a dupe?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  161. Ron Unz says:
    @Corvinus

    You’re going to have to be more specific. In what way was this a “hoax”? Please elaborate.

    Well, I discussed it a bit towards the bottom of one of my follow-up American Pravda columns:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-liberal-bias/

    From what I’ve read here and there, all the Western MSM left before the Square was (peacefully) cleared, and the reports they filed were simply based on rumor. It’s interesting that the most recent elite MSM accounts are very cagey in how the describe the violence.

    On the other hand, there were battles between police and violent rioters elsewhere in the city, and maybe hundreds or more were killed, but including quite a lot of policemen.

    Personally, I just can’t say what really happened. However, I *can* say that anyone who relies upon Wikipedia for coverage of any “touchy” topic is simply a gullible nitwit, plain and simple.

    As for the HongKongers marching around commemorating the Tienman Massacre even if it probably didn’t happen…It’s all just MSM nonsense, similar to all the BLM protests here in America…

    As for the Korean massacres, it was 35 years ago in the NYT and I just don’t remember the details. But maybe 1,000-2,000 might be possible, though a couple of hundred seems implausibly low.

    On the other hand, maybe a decade ago the NYT finally carried the *gigantic* story of maybe 100,000 or more Korean civilians who were massacred with strong U.S. support right at the beginning of the Korean War, huge massacres which had been totally covered up for something like 50 years…

    Frankly, my knowledge or interest in this subjects is pretty negligible, so take my opinion for whatever you think it’s worth, but I was just a little surprised to discover that all those big front-page NYT stories I’d read 35+ years ago had seemingly been mostly flushed down the memory-hole.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @Corvinus
  162. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I beg to differ. I think Australia – certainly the traditional Anglo-white Australia is in big trouble. Nor do I see Asian immigration as some kind of panacea. Quite the contrary.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  163. Ace says:
    @Outwest

    “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

    Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858:

  164. @Corvinus

    You seem to be using “socialism” and “liberalisn” – presumably in its American sense – as synonymous. However thst may be i don’t understand why you attribute socialism to a taxpayer funded payment made in honouring a pragmatic politician’s offer of a subsidy for emigration from the US.

    What’s socialistic about that?

  165. map says:
    @Corvinus

    Don’t all of you understand? Corvinus wants to know why you are against carbon-based life and collections of atoms? After all, isn’t that also what we have in common, along with our “humanity?” Look at all the diversity in plant and animal life and subatomic particles that existed at the time of the US Constipation!!!

  166. Ace says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    ** we’re probably not as great as some of us think we are **

    Amen to that. Two hours of cable television and its tsunami of commercials with goofball and metrosexual “males” is enough to make one want to go live in a cave. A Cuban refugee decades ago told her son she never saw a people so eager to give away their own country. Arrogant Muslims, Hispanics, and Resident Africans make life miserable for whites with little push back. The Treason Class knows it can keep bringing up “comprehensive immigration reform” and never have to fear voter outrage. Cantor was an exception and if there’s change in the air on immigration, well, it’s been a long time in coming. The fact that the 1965 Immigration Act got passed is an indictment of the citizenry right there. As is the way in which we’ve allowed homosexuals to mainstream their, um, lifestyle and feminists to destroy normal relations between men and women.

    I agree on the enemy within. One can believe that some kind of mass delusion just happened to infiltrate the minds of the West. “Look, Myrtle. Everyone’s taken leave of their senses for no reason at all.” Or you can believe that there are no accidents and that a malevolent, hidden force has worked for 100 years to discredit, undermine, rot, and then destroy our civilization. Spontaneous, inexplicable delusion? Or conspiracy to destroy?

    Diana West deserves special respect for pointing out how much we have been influenced by communists. On that score alone, it’s the rare American who has any appreciation of the damage done by the far left. Organized Jewry similarly is extraordinarily invested in open borders and multiculturalism as the odious Barbara Lerner Spectre and the ADL/BB hyper-vigilance on the Arizona legislation S.B. 1070 make clear. Wealthy Jewish individuals also exert considerable influence to keep our borders open (e.g., Gelbaum, Adelson). The maniacs who have pressed the NWO have also been equally destructive. Much overlap between all three groups.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  167. Hacienda says:
    @Ron Unz

    Some interesting facts related to the events around the Kwangju massacre.

    Park Chung Hee defeated Kim Dae Jung in the presidential election in 1971. He expanded his
    powers and made himself dictator through the Yushin Constitution.

    Park started a nuclear weapons program against the wishes of the CIA and continued the program up through his presidency.

    Park assassinated in 1979 by Kim Jae Kyu, director of the KCIA. The investigation of the assassination was handed to Chun Doo Hwan who takes over KCIA. Kim Jae Kyu arrested and executed.

    AFAICT the events and details of the assassination could be completely fabricated as all official eyewitnesses were killed off- the bodyguards and chauffeur. Others possible witnesses could be easily coerced.

    Chun becomes president and agrees with US demands to limit warheads to 435 kg.

    Chun in the 50s joined Korea Military Academy and later trained in US in guerilla tactics and psychological warfare.

    The Kwangju uprising occurred in response to Chun’s military takeover of Korea and Chun was seen as a puppet of the US. Chun stated the insurgency was led by communists.

    Chun later paves way for free elections in Korea. As they say, “all’s well, that ends well”.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  168. @Jacques Sheete

    Si, capisco molto bene. First of all I do not use Google as a replacement for my brain. That is your handicap. Secondly I feel sorry for you having to spend all night googling in order to put together this elaborate answer. As you correctly state quite a few words have more than one meaning. Their order in a dictionary is based on frequency of use and in this respect accessible most frequent use is “able to be reached or entered” as you yourself correctly copied from Google instead of searching the remote corners of your gray matter. Your predilection to use the most obscure meaning of words as in “accessible book” or “bedroom geography” or “facile in the use of Google” for example is your problem not mine. This predilection makes your already convoluted conclusions even less understandable. Add to that the spreading plague of acronyms like ROFL, FYI, LOL, and the result is an ugly mess or as you would have said “bordel”. Adjusting to your use of units of language I will extinguish my puny discourse with a full stop. By the way how do you get by when Google is not available?

  169. @anon

    Would you spell out your reasons for concern and likely scenarios please. Note that I am not saying “Asian immigration” but bright young East Asians and educated class Indians. And I am not thinking of any panacea in the sense of remedy for all difficulties and disorders.

    Specifically I think it inportant that no minority become so large that it can and wants to change what it came to be part of. So far and forseeably so good IMO. But, by contrast, the good immigrants are beginning to reduce the (anyway small) importance of the undesirables from the past (typically Lebanese and not just Muslims) and of Australia’s very small Aboriginal population which do-gooders’ policies have done much damage to in the years from about 1972 to very recently.

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  170. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    lol. We are an odd species aren’t we? Endowed with so much gray matter and sentience, yet squabbling over inessentials, when energy is better spent focusing on how to manage the health and safety of the planet.

  171. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well I certainly concur from the scope of economic progress. Australia while traditionally a commodity-price sensitive economy is immeasurably more integrated today, with the tech/fin advances in Japan and the neighbouring Asian nations. It’s labour productivity and wages similarly track [actually in many ways exceed] those of Japan.

    To me human diversity is mainly important in preserving interesting variations in culture and for what its worth, the industry and culture of the Anglo/European crafted so much of modern advancement and comforts, that it would folly for other nations to not adopt these. [in a similar vein I always tell my fellow co-religionists that since modern Israel’s core economic culture is really European, it is incumbent on us to offer, in fact insist, that Israeli Arabs enthusiastically embrace the same. Some of it is happening, but not nearly enough.]

    I speculate that human groups/societies when they reach a certain level of economic solidity and certainty tend to reduce population growth rates to levels that can lead to dysgenic trends, but immigration from groups that have not reached those levels, stabilise said dysgenics. In the final analysis, when the globe has greatly reduced disparities in technology and capital, it seems obvious that we should be able to achieve a long-run equilibrium in both demographics and economics.

  172. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Perhaps poor word-choice/phrasing:

    Iran did not so much “play” US Congress as initiate actions that would result in a predictable outcome.

    That is, Congress’s action opposing Boeing’s acceptance of a contract to sell airplanes to Iran might, in the eyes of some beholders who might actually be awake and have body-temp IQ, highlight the hypocrisy of the representatives of the American people who chose, by voice vote, to act against the interests of American workers and an American corporation, and to do so because persons among them whose interests are tilted toward support for a state other than the USA persuaded them to do so.

    Sherman was not “in” on the scheme (to the extent that it was a scheme). He merely acted in what I speculate the Iranians thought to be a predictable fashion. I suppose he was a dupe, or a useful idiot, but if we call Sherman an idiot, what does that say for the majority of US Congress that was influenced by him?

    Iran is making deals with many states; they’re discussed on obscure blogs, in measured tones, and the deals are modest and carefully husbanded. I began to suspect that the Iranians were “playing” with US because the Iran-Boeing deal was revealed in a very hurried and vocal way, on major websites, and the contract was very large — (see Scott Adams on Trump: lead with a very big number).

    It’s embarrassing and almost boring to watch US Congress display its corruptness.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  173. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    .Dear Sam,

    Good stuff by both you and WoO! I never even thought of the malleability of phenotypes due to current medical advances – wow – Gattaca, here we come!

    I totally agree with you on the point of the West and specifically the UK, even if they do wane (as all of them before) they have left an indelible effect on the world. You mentioned language; I would venture that the average Arab is more familiar with ‘Romeo & Juliet’ than ‘Antar & Abla’ and the Persian than ‘Layla & Majnun’ – quite a feat. On top of that is the world wide adoption of Sir Isaac Newton’s vision. And on top of that is the fact that neither you nor I have ever met a slave owner or owned a slave; eradication of slavery worldwide was mostly an Anglo-Saxon endeavor with a combination of the Abolitionist movement, Industrial Revolution, and pressure from the world-spanning British Empire (French deserve credit too). I don’t think slavery will ever return on a wide scale. Likewise, I don’t see a wide scale rejection of the representative democracy model (in general form, as opposed to details) anytime soon. In the war of ideas, the West has certainly done quite well for herself.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sam Shama
  174. @anonymous

    You have clarified and largely confirmed my understanding of what you meant but I’m not sure I understand the Iranians motivation. Damage to some American workers and to Boeing inflicted by Congress would please any enemy of the US but it would hardly be a big enough result to justify putting serious effort into. So….

    Are we to hypothesise that Boeing sought to do business with the Iranians and Iran, which couldn’t actually afford to buy as much as Boeing wanted to sell, seized, ad hoc, an opportunity to stir trouble for the US?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  175. @Talha

    I would venture that the average Arab is more familiar with ‘Romeo & Juliet’ than ‘Antar & Abla’ and the Persian than ‘Layla & Majnun’ – quite a feat.

    otoh How many average Americans are familiar with Dante, or Virgil; how many have read Cicero? Norse-Germanic folktales predated and formed the basis of much of the European cultural imagination, yet to the extent they are known to Americans, they are frequently derogated as evil.

    Beyond their own culture’s literature, how many Americans have even heard of the Shahnameh, of Omar Khayam, or the Zhuangzi?

    Many Americans are ignorant of their own cultural foundations and legacy, and are totally unaware that more than half of the world has literary and cultural traditions that are far older and richer than their own.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  176. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    but it would hardly be a big enough result to justify putting serious effort into. So….

    If my speculation is correct, and it’s just a speculation, events as they played out did not take all that much serious effort.

    And that might be part of the point: If — and it’s just an if — the Iranians set a trap, it took very little effort to entice Sherman to take the bait.

    What would have happened if Sherman had not taken the bait?
    Iran would have made a deal with Boeing; the deal would have been negotiated up, down or sideways, and Boeing and Iran would be happy, but Sherman and Israel would be unhappy and would continue to fume and finagle, which Sherman and Israel will continue to do either way because that is what they do, leopards and spots being what they are.

    Exposing the rot that those spots signify is a valuable exercise, with little downside or cost, from Iran’s pov, and a service to the American people, when you think about it: Americans have an inchoate understanding of the corruption of US Congress. A few more situations that shine a light on how that corruption works against American interests will eventually result in exposing the entire animal for the predator that it is.

    Iran was in a win-win situation — they’d already made a deal with Airbus, and it’s doubtful Iran is all that eager to keep patching their old Boeings, so they don’t have a desperate need for Boeing.

  177. KA says:
    @Avery

    For the West to survive militarily,economically,and demographically,the last this it shoukd seek is a fight with Russia or China . But black Obma is trying to prevent any kind of frictions with Russia over Syria and Eukraine . But the white Ashton Carter, Nuland,white news paper WaPo ,white Andrew Tabler of white WINEP Tand white Ford want US ramp up pressure ,increase fight,rescind pro peace ideas and want to bolster Al Quaida .They openly express support for al Nusra.

    These white murderers want to support Al Quida ,want to camouflage their arguments with the use of the arguments often and traditionally used by the left ,progressive and antiwar and by church groups ,by HumanRights groups .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-proposes-new-military-partnership-with-russia-in-syria/2016/06/29/8e8b2e2a-3e3f-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html

    http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2016/07/08/new-fight-syria-war-strategy/

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/04/al-qaeda-is-about-to-establish-an-emirate-in-northern-syria/

    • Replies: @Avery
  178. KA says:
    @artichoke

    Anybody could build with free land and free labors. The land came from natives .the labor came from blacks.
    Brahmins built temples and advanced in mathematics and science because they didn’t have to work in medieval and pre- medieval times.
    Greeks built temples and engaged in geometry because of the free time made available by the slave labors. The community progressed because the Greek,American,Indian rulers and the elite didn’t just stop there but used the opportunity to build a viable system . In many places across the world,that viable systems did not develop despite having slaves and serfs . This is the area where Green,Americn white and Indian Brahmin could legitimately say that they had unique attributes as exemplified in the exercise of powers for collective( restricted to the class and the colors) good ,respect for laws,and trust in the fellow country citizen

    • Replies: @artichoke
  179. @Wizard of Oz

    I assume the MSM hoax you are referring to is the use or misuse of visuals to give a misleading impression of the scale of the “massacre”. Still, it is interesting that people in Hong Kong commemorate it annually (i think). Plenty of explanations for that of course.

    Like all non-specialists/dilettantes, the blog’s proprietor has a few blind spots. The idea that Hong Kong observers take their cues from The Great White Father, re news from mainland China is a little off-the-wall. Hong Kongers presumably have plenty of friends and relatives who witnessed the carnage firsthand, given that Hong Kong is itself a microcosm of the global Chinese diaspora, since a good chunk of its population is descended from refugees all over China who fled the Communist victory and the subsequent man-made disasters ginned up by these wicked incompetents. The amusing thing is those disasters set the stage for the current “economic miracle”. When you hit bottom, there’s nowhere to go but up, especially when you’re possessed of some of the best raw human capital on earth, if the material success of the Chinese diaspora is anything to go by.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  180. Yes it hangs together as a sane speculation. I’m glad I was provoked by your word “played” into opening it up with a (I hope pollte) inqiiry.

  181. Ron Unz says:
    @Hacienda

    AFAICT the events and details of the assassination could be completely fabricated as all official eyewitnesses were killed off- the bodyguards and chauffeur. Others possible witnesses could be easily coerced…The Kwangju uprising occurred in response to Chun’s military takeover of Korea and Chun was seen as a puppet of the US.

    *Very* interesting. I remember at the time being somewhat suspicious of the accounts I read in the MSM, but I’d been completely unaware of the ongoing dispute over nuclear weapons development with the US.

    It’s obviously difficult to say what really happened, but it hardly leaves me less doubtful about accepting MSM narratives.

  182. Ron Unz says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Like all non-specialists/dilettantes, the blog’s proprietor has a few blind spots.

    Well, I really should emphasize that I’ve never actually investigated the alleged Tiananmen Massacre, and my opinions are quite casual and preliminary.

    But for my entire life I’d always assumed the massacre actually happened, and was therefore quite shocked to encounter detailed and seemingly credible claims online it was just a hoax. Then, when the 25th anniversary came around and the NYT ran some very long stories, I read them carefully and noticed that the authors were very cagey in their phrasing, never actually claiming that any of the protesting students had been killed there. As I recall, I then Googled around a bit and located a long article in some European MSM outlet that explicitly claimed that a totally inaccurate story had originally gotten fixed in the Western MSM at the time, and since then the MSM had never been willing to acknowledge their mistake.

    As for the Hong Kong activist protests, aren’t a lot of them funded by Western NGOs, much like the ones funding the BLM protests in the US? And everyone knows that the entire BLM movement—which for years has been generating endless US headlines—is just a total hoax from beginning to end. Obviously, lots of Hong Kongers are unhappy with PRC control for all sorts of reasons, and focusing on the Tienanmen Massacre might be politically astute even if they know it never actually happened.

    Again, I should emphasize this is all *far* outside my areas of expertise, so no one should regard my views as anything more than skeptical speculation.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  183. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Please show me specifically where NAACP, ADL, La Raza, and CAIR get tax payer funding, government grants, and tax exempt status.

    Gov’t funding and tax exempt status of La Raza:
    https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/06/nclr-funding-skyrockets-after-obama-hires-its-vp/
    http://www.adl.org/about-adl/
    Note: Scroll to the bottom to see ADL’s statement of 501 (c) 3 statement
    https://www.naacp.org/page/contribute/basicdonate
    Note: Scroll to the bottome to see NAACP’s 501 (c) 3 statement
    https://www.cair.com/donations/general-donation/campaign/#/
    Note: Scroll to the bottom to see CAIR’s 501 (c) 3 statement
    DHS grants for Jewish organizations
    http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/jewish-groups-get-most-money-from-federal-security-grants/article_e3b8efb8-f2a9-53af-97bb-de25d66f0a6b.html
    http://advocacy.ou.org/issues/homeland-security/

    It’s time you learn how to do your own research. All of these groups should have the their tax exempt status rescinded since all engage in political activism which is largely prohibited for charitable, non-profit tax exempt organizations.

    Besides, I can’t help that you are not doing your job in promoting your agenda. Why are you blaming others for your own ineptness?

    And I can’t help that you confirm your stupidy and duplicity with every sentence. It’s a simple matter of fairness and if non-white organizations are given tax exempt status to essentially advocate for special rights and privileges for their members then pro-white groups should be given the same consideration in “free and equal” America, only some races are more equal than others just like Animal Farm.

    Regardless, the point you have yet to dispute is that white nationalist groups, like leftist groups. also have narrow interests to promote their particular agenda.

    Wrong. White nationalist groups aren’t demanding special rights and privileges, only to be heard like everyone else. And when whites are 62% of the nation and constitute the majority there is nothing “narrow” about our interests.

    First, any payment to non-whites to leave the country IS socialism and liberalism. Second, whites can make their own decisions regarding family formation.

    You need to read the definition of socialism 25 times then compare it to your claims. A one-time payment to a group of people to emigrate is not akin to government control of the means of production and distribution of goods and services. But if you insist, then provide a free market alternative.

    Regardless of the low ratings, most Americans STILL believe in representative democracy and in general are working to fix matters despite Congressional gridlock.

    Ok, you make me prove my claims, so prove yours. Provide links and sources to back this up. Then I can crap all over your polls and sources.

    Exactly. You mouthed off and got busted in the process.

    LOL, hardly slick. Here’s more polls with higher percentages:
    http://www.fairus.org/facts/illegal-immigration-and-amnesty-polls
    80% of Americans (not just lily white conservatives) support stricter border controls (including 74% blacks).
    72% support reducing the illegal immigrant population by allowing employers to check worker’s legal status.

    Nope. Whites do NOT forfeit anything. They can speak for other whites,……

    Yes they do and no they can’t. Besides, you’re not white and have no say in the affairs of the white community.

    Except whites are NOT opposing “their own people”, they are focusing on the interests of humanity. They are making their own decisions when it comes to racial matters.

    Name names. Which whites are focusing on the interests of humanity? Are you saying treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity a la Jew Noel Ignatiev.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  184. artichoke says:
    @KA

    I don’t understand what you wrote after “In many places …” But as for the first part, there’s lots of land in Africa and the tribes were capturing each other at least sometimes. And yet they didn’t even invent the wheel, let alone the transistor.

    Sorry, we built it. A few Southern farmers used slaves to work primarily on farms. That ended by 1865, and yet somehow the white man continued to go from horseback to jets with thousands of scientific breakthroughs and technologies needed along that pathway. Blacks were totally unneeded and generally not present during the journey.

  185. artichoke says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nothing like the occupation of Tiananmen Square would be allowed in DC for even a day. Armed force would be used, as it was against the Bonus Marchers.

    Those protestors without principle, with their stupid fake Statue of Liberty (did the French send them one too?), were just embarrassing their country while it was trying to reopen relations with the Soviet Union to its north. They were begged to leave. Finally the stragglers were moved out. Some of their accomplices dropped napalm into the tanks manned by troops from the provinces who were ordered into town to keep order. That’s a tank story that isn’t reported in the west.

    I’ve heard two of the leaders of that thing, including Wang Dan who supposedly was the top guy. They made sure not to take questions from anyone who might know anything. They seemed a lot like the race protestors at the University of Missouri last year — just tearing down an established system far better than they could ever build up themselves.

  186. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Personally, I just can’t say what really happened. However, I *can* say that anyone who relies upon Wikipedia for coverage of any “touchy” topic is simply a gullible nitwit, plain and simple.”

    Wikipedia is one of many sources. I used it as a baseline. Dispute its findings with counter evidence.

    “On the other hand, maybe a decade ago the NYT finally carried the *gigantic* story of maybe 100,000 or more Korean civilians…”

    In other words, you say you maybe know, but then again your uncertain. In essence, you have no idea what really happened.

    “but I was just a little surprised to discover that all those big front-page NYT stories I’d read 35+ years ago had seemingly been mostly flushed down the memory-hole.”

    Do you know for absolutely certainty that those stories have “vanished”? Could it be entirely likely that YOUR recollections are clouded?

    I would imagine those stories would be archived. Used your contacts to find out definitively. Otherwise, your shooting blanks here.

  187. Will the West Survive the Century?

    To get the right answer one has to ask the right question.

    The right question is whether we can survive ourselves and our willingness to wallow in ignorance and delusion and our general unwillingness to get a grip . The answer is that I’m amazed we’ve lasted as long as we have…

  188. Avery says:
    @KA

    Aren’t you the same poster who denies the Armenian Genocide?

    We had a “conversation” about Chinese meat packing factories, dads, and all that – remember?

    And your irrational, patently false assertions about whites and blacks come from the same delusional, hate-addled mind that claims AG did not happen, and your Turk ancestors didn’t do it.

    • Replies: @KA
  189. KA says:
    @Avery

    You are correct. This post was not meant for you. I requested the moderator to delete But it seems they didnt
    You will get again those previous kind of post as long as you keep on asking other to ” go back”

    Yes I don’t believe anything about Armenian genocide that comes from you .

    • Replies: @Avery
  190. FLgeezer says:
    @Grey

    Excellent post Grey. It is an excellent, profound call to rally we disappearing, caucasoid troops of European heritage. WELL DONE!

  191. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “All of these groups should have the their tax exempt status rescinded since all engage in political activism which is largely prohibited for charitable, non-profit tax exempt organizations.”

    Why would you complain, especially if numerous “white” groups also receive this status, such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, a nonprofit organization that “the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character”, and the Westboro Baptist Church? These groups, like the ones you listed, have to jump through hoops and hurdles to receive their status. Realize the number of applications to obtain 501(c)(4) status ballooned from 1,500 in 2010 to 3,400 in 2012, a likely outcome of the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United ruling. Remember, money = free speech.

    “It’s a simple matter of fairness and if non-white organizations are given tax exempt status.”



    They do, so stop whining.

    “And when whites are 62% of the nation and constitute the majority there is nothing “narrow” about our interests.”

    

It is a narrow interest if only certain whites are promoting “pro-white” issues. Whites are not monolithic when it comes to race.

    “A one-time payment to a group of people…”

    Is a form of socialism.

    “Yes they do and no they can’t. Besides, you’re not white and have no say in the affairs of the white community.”

    I’m as white as they come. Why are denying my existence as a fellow white?

  192. Corvinus says:
    @Grey

    “Jews gave us Marxism (Bolshevism/Communism/Socialism) and Germany rose to defend all of Europe and destroy its accursed ideology.”

    Marx wasn’t Jewish.

    http://jewcy.com/jewish-religion-and-beliefs/was_karl_marx_really_jewish

    “The Zionists brought America into two fratricidal wars in Europe (even though both presidents of the time claimed they wanted to stay out of Europe’s “problems” and ran on that promise) and the Zionists made sure that we would destroy each other through their control of the mainstream media in the west.”

    World War I occurred because of European nationalism, militarism, and imperialism, and drew America into the fracas by Germany’s refusal to respect our neutrality.

    World War II occurred because of German and Japanese aggression, which also compelled the United States to secure in part its trade interests.

    “All of the Marxist propaganda rolled out in the late fifties and 1960′s has taken hold in America and Europe. Overpopulation, global-cooling/global-warming, diversity and multiculturalism, etc.”

    This is decidedly not Marxist propaganda, they are separate, complex issues.

    “It is politically correct to call for the destruction of the white race in universities, news shows, and in the streets.”

    The white race is not being destroyed in any way, shape, or form.

    “It’s time to send our multicultural friends back to where they came from and build walls to protect what is left of our civilization.”

    Rather than lament on a blog, why not run for political office on this platform?

  193. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Dear Talha,
    I have struggled over the question of time it should take humankind, a species so richly endowed with the faculties of thought, reason, science and compassion, to dispose entirely, of internecine strife and find advocacy for a world which is at the core rational and sustaining. I reckon its more than just kumbaya and all that, but we really are faced with issues, ones far graver than our squabbles on the blogsphere and which span all species and the planet’s geography. So, must we be pre-occupied with Hillary’s progress or shall we concern ourselves, our greatest attention paid, to tackling issues that hold the dire promise of depopulating the earth? Clearly from an evolutionary perspective it isn’t clear at all if we matter much. Yet it seems rational for humans to not inexorably seed our own extinction!

    [P.S. : The phenotype switching I brought up merely as a tool to speculate on what surely must be a relatively unimportant physiological matter, but isn’t [insofar as the way Joe Webbs of this world behave 🙂 ] ; so I have been been curious about it. Since I inherited my granny’s genes, I switch from being indistinguishable from a north European when I am in the U.K for a few winter months to stand out not all in an Israeli or even Palestinian crowd when under the Mediterranean sun for a few months!

    Also I breed Arabians, and can say with a high degree of certitude that the colour of the coat does not in any way explain herd behaviour, mating success or any other benighted aspect of their lives! So why does it appear to matter so much in a multi-hued human metropolis? ]

    Random thoughts…..Peace to you as well.

    • Replies: @Talha
  194. Ron Unz says:
    @Corvinus

    Marx wasn’t Jewish.

    Ha, ha, ha… And much in the same way, it’s obvious that none of the Bolsheviks who led the Russian Revolution could have possibly been Jewish either. Indeed, and almost by definition, there’s probably never been a Jewish Communist in the history of the world.

    In fact, depending upon what exact religious standard you follow, you could probably make a reasonable case that something like 80% of Israel’s population is non-Jewish.

    My website is certainly overrun with all sorts of nitwits, but I think you might have a fair claim to being the dimmest and most dishonest of them all…

    • Agree: edNels
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  195. FLgeezer says:
    @Corvinus

    Notice how Corvinus concludes that the jays haven’t been responsible for any bad thing that has happened since pre-WW2? That’s what they have been successful at since they own the media, law schools, judiciary, legislative branch and are masters of propaganda. They’ve buried the constitutional republic that once was America. We even fight their unending wars for them, and they have transformed our formerly wealthy beloved nation into Gaza West.

    >Rather than lament on a blog, why not run for political office on that platform?
    The media has and would destroy worthy America-firsters such as Grey. He would make a wonderful candidate but couldn’t make it onto a ballot. “Anti-Semitic” and all don’cha know?Remember Ron Paul?

  196. Avery says:
    @KA

    {You will get again those previous kind of post as long as you keep on asking other to ” go back”}

    Bring it on.
    And you should go back to the meat packing factory in China, next door to your homeland in Uyguristan. Take your kin with you.

    {Yes I don’t believe anything about Armenian genocide that comes from you .}

    I am glad that got cleared up.

    • Replies: @bunga
  197. @Erdo

    Globalists want quantity.
    Nationalists want quality.
    Soros want a “global” Africa ????
    He and HIS are nazi (Hitler).
    The elites are the super race ?

  198. @Corvinus

    Note to all: Set your brickbats aside. I’m impervious to ’em. 😉

    Marx wasn’t Jewish.

    Actually with that statement, Corvinus, besides opening a can of worms, may have a point. Marx pretty certainly came from a “Jewish” background, but who knows what he was but a worthless irresponsible blowhard with an attitude to match his unlimited narcissism. He himself probably didn’t know what he was and left enough open so he could have it both ways at his convenience. This quote is typical.:

    “It’s possible that I shall make an ass of myself. But in that case one can always get out of it with a little dialectic. I have, of course, so worded my proposition as to be right either way.”

    Karl Marx, Letter to Friedrich Engels, dated 15 August 1857

    Anyway, on to the bigger point which is what the (bleep) is a “Jew” anyway? A lot of self appointed “Jews” can’t seem to agree amongst themselves, so who’s to say? Below is a quote and a link to a charming and insightful piece by a woman who chose to convert to Judaism which highlights the controversy.

    “Last week ‘Sammy’ on Jswipe asked for my phone number. I was delighted but as his profile mentioned having Jewish parents I decided to tell him upfront that my parents were not. ‘Who and where did you convert through?’ I knew where this conversation was going. I told him that I wasn’t Orthodox but I am Jewish. ‘I question your intentions when you go through conversion and don’t one hundred percent the life of a Jew with our culture. You are not a Jew.’”

    http://jewcy.com/jewish-sex-and-love/chriss-jew-dating-reform-convert

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  199. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Dear Sam,

    Your random thoughts are always welcome, they get my brain going as well.

    People don’t know what to make of me – I was born in Pakistan but everyone thinks I’m Persian, Moroccan, or Mexican – they are always amazed to hear me speak Urdu.

    Yet it seems rational for humans to not inexorably seed our own extinction!

    Indeed, I have yet to understand why we (and others) maintain a stockpile of nuclear weapons that are clearly meant to completely devastate the world – not actually ‘win’ anything. I think Tuareg nomads or the Orang Asli would conclude we are mad if we explained our reasons to them. It seems we are indeed endowed with the wonderful traits that you mentioned, yet underneath the surface lies a monster in each of us; the lust, greed, wrath – all the horrible traits one must try to master.

    So why does it appear to matter so much in a multi-hued human metropolis?

    Talking to the wrong guy – I’m from a knowledge and spiritual based tradition – you could be black as coal or white as snow; if you’ve earned it, you will get my respect.
    “God does not look at your figures, nor at your attire but He looks at your hearts.” – reported in Muslim
    I’ve never understood the whole issue of color except from an aesthetic point of view; some are attracted to dark skin, some like milky white – to each his own.

    Good luck with those Arabians – my, you have quite and active life! There is something unique about them right? I thought I read or heard once that they actually have an extra lumbar. Horses are such amazing creatures and we have had such a connection with them throughout so much of human history and they were constantly around us (they come up quite a bit in the Qur’an) – even in pre-modern cities. I remember a hakim (traditional doctor) mentioning once to us that our separation and isolation from that animal was so abrupt that we don’t know how that has affected us.
    “Fair in the eyes of men is the love of things they covet: women and sons; heaped-up hoards of gold and silver; well-bred horses…” 3:14

    May God bless you and your horses!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  200. JSM says:
    @Corvinus

    White people, or people in general for that matter, owe NOTHING to their own kind for choosing not to have offspring.

    COOL! You think people owe NOTHING to their own kind? Then, guess what, your kind owe YOU nothing, either, when you’re old. No Social Security payments, no CNAs changing your Depends or turning you in your bed to prevent bedsores, and no visits to a doctor paid for by Medicare.

    In fact, you’re not entitled to any doctor visits at all when you’re old and sick, even if you have savings to pay for it yourself. Because those doctors you’re going to want to see will be younger people — who were raised and provided for in childhood by other people of your generation, who DID bother themselves enough to rear kids. Had those other people of your generation been selfish in their childbearing years and refused to have kids, as the child-free do, those doctors wouldn’t even exist.

    So YOU aren’t entitled to anything from them, if you refused to assist in the creation and rearing of that younger generation you’ll be dependent upon in your old age. Only the folks who DID the rearing and providing for as children of those young adults whose help they need as oldsters, are entitled to ask for that care by them. YOU, as a child-free parasite, are NOT entitled to ANYTHING from that younger generation.

    You are entitled to nothing but to die in the street. If that younger generation is foolishly softhearted enough, anyway, they might charitibly deign to give you enough morphine for you to euthanize yourself.

    I wouldn’t count on it, though. That younger generation is going to have its
    hands full just trying to survive the “benefits” of “diversity” your generation has foisted on them.

    hey are not parasites especially if they have worked hard and lived well and made accommodations to ensure they will be taken care of in their own age.

    Wrong.
    Because *WHO* is going to do the taking care of?

    Yeah, it’s going to be the young adults — BRED AND RAISED by White people.

    If you think non-Whites are going to work to pay the Social Security income of, and do the
    Depends-changing on, old White folks, you are deluding yourself. It’ll be White younger people doing the things that the child-free White oldsters need done for them.

    And since these child-free oldsters did not bother themselves to assist in the creation
    of the generation of the younger Whites taking care of them, they are free-riding parasites upon
    those younger people, to whom they contributed nothing when they were children, and free-riders upon their own generation of oldsters who DID do the childrearing of those now adults, taking up the time effort and money of these other people’s kids so they have less to give their own parents.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  201. JSM says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Pah.

    Savings only means, you have currency to spend.

    But who is it who will be doing the work that creates the goods and services for you to spend that currency on, so you can stay alive when you’re too old and feeble to do any work?

    Yeah. The younger generation that YOU refused to contribute to the creation of
    by having healthy children and providing for them and rearing them well, so they can produce those goods and services for you when you’re too old to take care of yourself.

    Food doesn’t grow itself, you know, no matter how many how many digits are in your 401K.

    No. It takes the life energy of that younger generation to grow that food, to study medicine so they can nurse your bedsores and change your Depends, to pay taxes for your Social Security and higher prices for their own needs because their currency is competing with yours for the finite supply of available food, housing, etc. (Real, actual, honest-to-goodness goods and services that they need, which YOU as an oldster are producing none of, but are demanding some be provided to you, in exchange for digits on a screen saved up years ago. Don’t see where that younger generation benefits one whit by you being around.)

    That life energy that YOU parasitize, kidding yourself that your digits mean you aren’t parasitizing, means they have less life energy to spend creating goods and services to give to their own kids and take care of their own aged parents, parents who DID bother themselves to conceive them and sacrifice for them as children when they were dependent. Those aged parents who LEGITIMATELY have some claim on the goods and services produced by that younger generation because they provided for that younger generation when they were children.

    But YOU, Mr. Happy Child-free Guy, are entitled to NOTHING, your digits on a computer screen be damned.

    So, no matter how many bucks you have saved up for retirement, YOU are a parasite in your old age if you lived a child-free life.

  202. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @edNels

    Well Geo… you told them the factoid.. you put the facts in their faces.. and thems.. they’s… too stupid to get it… too stupid to get it or to even make a comment… !!

  203. @Jacques Sheete

    Marx pretty certainly came from a “Jewish” background, but who knows what he was but a worthless irresponsible blowhard with an attitude to match his unlimited narcissism.

    Right. Marx who finished his law studies, wrote a doctoral thesis on The Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature for which he received a PhD, is the author of Das Kapital, whose influence on world affairs is undeniable, Marx who is still studied and talked about was worthless blowhard but Jacues Shit whose verbal vomit is forgotten five minutes after reading is a world famous personality.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  204. @Regnum Nostrum

    Marx…is the author of Das Kapital,

    Duh.

    Have you ever tried to read that load of rubbish? It’s nothing more than a hideously degenerate crackpot’s raving form of pop philosophy and that’s partly what makes it “undeniably influential.” It’s analogous to Sigmund Fraud’s sappy sophomoric psychoanalysis theories.

    No one, in his right mind, can attempt to plow through that sottish gibberish and claim with a straight face that it makes any sense at all. The ONLY reason that effluence has any influence, is the result of clever marketing and goy gullibility. Some folks are adept at selling essentially worthless pieces of carbon as something of great worth (get the hint?)

    Face it. Marx’s so called philosophy is just another fraud. 2500 years ago Mennipus saw through the same sort of bogus garbage when he made fun of the type by essentially telling them to take their “gnothi sautons” and take a hike. If such sewage is “influential,” big deal. It’s still laughable and worthless.

    …whose influence on world affairs is undeniable, blah blah blah…

    Yeah, so what? Attila the Hun and Vlad the Impaler both had undeniable influences on the world as well. That doesn’t make them saints or even candidates for sainthood. The same can be said for Lenin, Stalin, FDR, and Churchill, etc., etc.

    The only thing your statement means is that your appeal to authority is evidence that you’re one of the Apes of a cold G-d that Marx mentioned.

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  205. @Jacques Sheete

    Of course neither Marx nor Freud can compete with a genius like you. One only has to look at the sample of that genius that you have graciously provided. People of lesser intellect than yours would probably call it a rather confused rant but what do they know. You belong to the breed of over confident morons who have never achieved anything but have a definite opinion on everything.

  206. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    America is a young, rambunctious culture, one which has chosen to perhaps mildly ignore some of the heavier philosophising that came with traditional Europe and even Asia. To be honest I scarcely think the common man in any continent is particularly aware of great literary works or traditions, such being primarily the highbrow toils of the intellectual cognoscenti. Also literature is tricky, and a widespread appeal of a literary piece has something to do with the particular language in which it is written. Which is why works of Latin and Sanskrit literature never found great currency with the middle or the commoner classes, whilst English advanced not just Shakespeare [as Talha pointed out] but great translations from other tongues. Reading literature in Latin [or German, so I’ve been informed] is an undertaking quite unlike reading good translations of the same in English. Some languages are perhaps not all that amenable to beautiful poetry; for example [and here I might get skewered by my clan] the Hebrew language has developed tools for argumentation and legal codes, but not much in the way of poetic beauty. [ok, I had better get a headstart and run for it!] I find the median American to be refreshingly down-to-earth and generous, something you would not necessarily find in Europe. Also Mark Twain is widely read and loved in the country, isn’t he ?

  207. Anyway, was Karl Marx a Jew? If so, was it something permanent or just a passing phase, or what?

    “Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew — not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. … What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man — and turns them into commodities. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.”

    – Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”, 1844.

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question

    PS: Despite his money-bashing, the cat couldn’t get enough of it and was nearly always whining for handouts. Now ain’t dat special?

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  208. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    [Good luck with those Arabians – my, you have quite and active life! There is something unique about them right? ]

    Thanks. They are magnificent souls, and indeed endowed with that extra lumbar and the largest cardiac capacity of any pure breed, [or cross breed for that matter] and will easily gallop many miles over the most inhospitable terrain. Also, they seem to comprehend vocal cues best in English [and Arabic] 🙂

    Cheers

  209. @Jacques Sheete

    PS: Despite his money-bashing, the cat couldn’t get enough of it and was nearly always whining for handouts. Now ain’t dat special?

    Actually Marx was having frequent financial difficulties because of his political convictions and often depended on support of his friend Friedrich Engels. He died poor.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  210. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “My website is certainly overrun with all sorts of nitwits, but I think you might have a fair claim to being the dimmest and most dishonest of them all…”

    Project much?

    Now let’s focus on the topic at hand.

    What is a conservative? Nay, what is a “true” conservative. According to the venerable Vox Day, he would label you a “cuckservative” based on some of your economic and social views. I am sure you would defend yourself vehemently concerning those accusations.

    What is a Roman Catholic? I was born and raised in this faith (as a family we were more spiritual than religious, there is a difference), but married a woman who is Methodist. We are raising our children as Methodists. Am I still considered Roman Catholic, or would Orthodox Roman Catholics claim I was a “fake” Christian, a traitor to the “true” faith?

    Likewise, what is Jewish? Is it merely being born Jewish, or is it strictly observing its tenants, or is it both? Must a Jewish person vehemently support Zionism at ALL times, or does he or she have the ability, as a Jew, to have their own opinions on the matter? Besides, did not Marx state that “religion is the opiate of the masses?”

    See, there is nuance here. I suggest, Mr. Unz, you become educated here regarding Karl Marx and whether or not he was a “Jew”.

    http://volokh.com/posts/1129867546.shtml

    I am looking forward to you conducting thorough research to locate those “big front-page NTY stories from 35+ years ago” that somehow “flushed down the memory-hole” regarding the Korean uprising by which thousands and thousands were killed, some by American complicity.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  211. Corvinus says:
    @JSM

    “COOL! You think people owe NOTHING to their own kind? Then, guess what, your kind owe YOU nothing, either, when you’re old. No Social Security payments, no CNAs changing your Depends or turning you in your bed to prevent bedsores, and no visits to a doctor paid for by Medicare.”

    You do realize “my own kind” are American citizens, not white citizens. Your argument in this vein falls completely on its face.

    “So YOU aren’t entitled to anything from them, if you refused to assist in the creation and rearing of that younger generation you’ll be dependent upon in your old age. Only the folks who DID the rearing and providing for as children of those young adults whose help they need as oldsters, are entitled to ask for that care by them. YOU, as a child-free parasite, are NOT entitled to ANYTHING from that younger generation.”

    Considering that I have children, I do not fall under this category. Moreover, the laws of the land do NOT require perpetual single men and women to be denied assistance in their old age.

    “I wouldn’t count on it, though. That younger generation is going to have its
    hands full just trying to survive the “benefits” of “diversity” your generation has foisted on them.”

    The younger generation is neck-deep in diversity of their own volition. Why do you hate freedom of association?

    “Yeah, it’s going to be the young adults — BRED AND RAISED by White people.”

    Corrected for accuracy –>; Its going to be the young adults who are Americans regardless of their racial background who will take care of older people who do not have any children.

  212. @Regnum Nostrum

    He died poor.

    Well he was bankrupt spiritually when he lived, so I guess the codger’s cadging was as deficient as his philosophizing.

    BTW, can you tell me whether he was a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, a garden variety con man or what?

    Was he even a Marxist, if ya know what I mean? 🙂

    • Replies: @Regnum Nostrum
  213. @Jacques Sheete

    It all depends on how you define Jewishness. Is it ethnicity or religious practice? His parents were Jewish but his father converted to Lutheran faith. Since he was the author together with his friend Friedrich Engels of the Communist Manifesto and most communist were atheists I doubt it that he practised any religion. But it is more complicated than that. According to Orthodox Judaism if your mother was Jewish you remain a Jew no matter what. According to Reform Judaism if you convert or are raised in another religion you are no longer a Jew. So was he a Jew or no? Since his parents were both Jewish I guess it is safe to say that he was in spite of his atheism. Here are some quotes by Marx on religion.

    The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.

    Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

    I am not sure about your last question. Marxism are the economic and social principles advocated by Marx and the followers are called Marxists.

    • Replies: @Talha
  214. Ron Unz says:
    @Corvinus

    Likewise, what is Jewish?…See, there is nuance here. I suggest, Mr. Unz, you become educated here regarding Karl Marx and whether or not he was a “Jew”.

    Nitwit.

    The primary definition of being “Jewish” is obviously the racial/ethnic one, and only the secondary definition is based upon religious practice. Most “Jews” are Jewish in the same way that “Greeks” are Greek.

    For example, I think something like 70-80% of American “Jews” say they don’t believe in God. So does that mean that the overwhelming majority of American Jews aren’t?

    Or consider the universal use of terms such as “half-Jewish” or “quarter-Jewish.” What does that mean under your framework? Do such individuals spend their Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays praying to Jesus as a divine member of the Holy Trinity, but the rest of the week cursing him as a Satanic heretic, condemned by G-d to spend all eternity suffering the torture of being trapped in a pool of boiling excrement?

    Nitwit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Jacques Sheete
  215. Talha says:
    @Regnum Nostrum

    Ah – good old Marx; religion is the opium of the people. The longer I live and the more I observe, it seems opium may be the religion of the people before long.

    Peace.

  216. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    Focus on the cogent arguments presented in the link I provided in Comment 214 and get back to us…

    Regnum Nostrum–“It all depends on how you define Jewishness. Is it ethnicity or religious practice?”

    EXACTLY! What say you, Mr. Unz? I note you also avoided my questions from Comment 214. Is that how you are going to manage your Senate campaign in California, skirting important issues?

    “For example, I think something like 70-80% of American “Jews” say they don’t believe in God. So does that mean that the overwhelming majority of American Jews aren’t?”

    You seem hellbent on stating that a Jew is a Jew because they are born into that ethnic group. Being a Jew, like being an American, constitutes more than mere ethnic stock. Marx was born a Jew. His father converted to Christianity. Marx forsworn ALL religion as being toxic and forsworn its cultural practices.

    What makes YOU the sole identifier of Jews? Merely because of one’s ancestral background?

    Besides, have you not been paying close attention to your own blog? A white person is only white if they completely have the best interests of their tribe. Anything other than being 100% committed to whitedom is anti-white. I am white, but I am not white in the eyes of “true” whites who claim that my freedom to associate with non-whites disqualifies my whiteness. In other words, I lose my white identity card merely because I make my own racial decisions.

    Do you believe in this framework presented?

    “Or consider the universal use of terms such as “half-Jewish” or “quarter-Jewish.” What does that mean under your framework?”

    They are identifying with their ethnic group, similar to when an American who has Italian and German blood.

  217. @Ron Unz

    Most “Jews” are Jewish in the same way that “Greeks” are Greek.

    Hmmm…Interesting viewpoint. That must mean that Jews are ethnically heterogenous, because modern Greeks certainly are. I feel quite safe in stating that there is no longer any such thing as a racially pure Greek, if there ever was and modern Greeks span the religious gamut from atheist to Greek Orthodox and there are Jewish Greeks as well. Or are they Greek Jews?

    Anyway, what we consider Greek today is a result of coalitions of tribes that happened long ago, and you can bet there was blood from Africa and Asia as well as the Middle East and probably Persia also (And Persians themselves were undoubtedly of mixed breeds). So the point, in my mind is, whether it makes a lot of sense to consider Jews (or Greeks) as a racial/ ethnic group or not or whether it’s more of a cultural thing, because as you point out, using religion as a criterion is probably pretty absurd too, although lots of folks evidently still use it that way.

    Some time back, I posted a comment on UR that raised a few hackles by mentioning Sand’s contention that“…the Jewish People, … are not really a “people” in the sense of having a common ethnic origin and national heritage. …”

    http://inventionofthejewishpeople.politics.webfactional.com/

    I wonder if that puts me in the “nitwit” category as well or merely more firmly entrenches my residence there. Anyway, I’ve been called worse but have yet to be crucified. The truth of the matter is that unless we’re Inuit or some such, we’re probably all mutts, mongrels, and mixed breeds, and it’s futile to speak of most large groups as if they’re monoliths or homogenous in any way.

    I do think it’s pretty funny that Marx himself quipped that he was not a Marxist, so even he was probably confused about who he was! Can anyone blame him?

    Isn’t it nice to have such an issue settled so neatly? 😉

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  218. And another thing.

    I consider Uri Avnery an expert on just about everything he chooses to write about, and he writes this…

    “Have the Jews been asked whether they want to be represented by the government of Israel?
    Who is a Jew?
    A son or daughter of a Jewish mother? What about a Jewish father? People converted to the Jewish religion? By whom? Only by an Orthodox rabbi? What about converts accepted by “reform” or “conservative” rabbis? What about atheists, can they become Jews represented by Israel?

    About all these questions there is no agreement among the Israelis themselves.”

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1396022881

    While I rarely shirk from keeping things lively, please don’t ask me if he’s Jewish.

    Also, this is an entertaining read.

    http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

  219. Ron Unz says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    That must mean that Jews are ethnically heterogenous, because modern Greeks certainly are.

    Actually, from everything I’ve read (Ashkenazi) Jews form a particularly tight genetic cluster, much more so than just about any other European people. For example, I think if you send $99 to 23&Me, they’ll give you an exact percentage of your estimated Jewish ancestry, but they’re unable to do that in similar fashion for any other European nation, including the Greeks. They might say you’re about 75% Slavic or 75% Northwestern European, but whether that’s Polish or Ukrainian (or British or German) can’t really be determined.

    In fact, with advances in genetic science over the last decade, the ancestral history of European Jews has mostly been deciphered. Apparently, almost all Ashkenazi Jews are descendents of a few hundred Middle Easterners, probably traders, who arrived in Europe somewhat over 1500 years ago and took North Italian wives at that time. Henceforth, the population remained remarkably endogamous until very recent times, so that although Jews lived among Slavs and Germans for well over 1000 years, they have almost no Slavic or Germanic ancestry.

    Sephardic Jews are fairly closely related to their Ashkenazi cousins (obviously excluding the North Italian component) and also genetically distinctive, though perhaps less so.

    I think I’ve read somewhere that there’s talk of Israel adopting genetic tests to determine whether or not “Jews” trying to immigrate to Israel are actually “Jewish.” I believe that was already done in the past in the cases of various groups that incorrectly claimed to have Jewish origins.

    I’m hardly an expert on these matters, but if you Google around a bit I’m sure you’ll find much more detailed material. Over the years, a lot of the Jewish genetics research has also discussed on the WestHunter blogsite and in Razib’s GNXP blog.

    As for Shlomo Sand, he’s a historian rather than a genetic scientist, and although I read his popular book a few years back, I’ll admit I didn’t find his ideas very convincing, nor did anyone else familiar with the genetic data.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Corvinus
  220. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    You are the most ill informed commenter on this page.
    Remove yourself immediately and study some ACTUAL history, not the one sided, propoganda you have obviously soaked up without any critical thought.
    You sound like a tape recorder playing back the official party line like the bestest of goys.
    If you aren’t a massive retard, then you must be a massive shill.
    Either way, go fuck yourself.

    • Replies: @Avery
  221. @Ron Unz

    Dear Sir:

    First off, if you are the gentleman responsible for this,

    UNZ.org – Periodicals, Books, and Authors,

    then I commend you and cannot thank you enough for it. It’s a true storehouse of treasures which I would miss a great deal if it didn’t exist. Thank you a million times, and bless you.

    As for the genetic evidence, I’m nowhere near being the one to judge its worth. I do know, however, that we all must be careful to accept as science what someone has labelled as such. I’m sure most of us are familiar with the saying that there are lies, damned lies and statistics. It should be equally well known but seems not to be, that a lot of “scientific” data has been “fudged,” and its interpretations, ahem, “slanted for one reason or another.

    While I’m no geneticist and never will be, I can tell you that several decades of work in a scientific field leaves me astonished at the amount of, shall we say, “fantasy” involved. Another way to say it is that we often get what we pay for, especially if we have the big bucks.

    In closing, let me say that the great scholar of Greek mythology, Edith Hamilton said, “All things are to be examined and called into question.” I would add that the first things we should question are the claims of “authority.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  222. Avery says:
    @Anonymous

    You are one of the most eloquent, well informed neo-Nazi Schweinhund scumbags on this page.

    The post that your produced is a testament to the mythical “superiority” of the Master Schweinhund, whose carcasses fertilize the rich Russian soil just outside Stalingrad, as shown in the link I most generously provided for the edification of neo-Nazi sewer rat trash like youse.
    neo-Nazi Pig.

    Come back to Russia, now ya hear?
    So the rest of you Schweinhund swine can be turned into fertilizer.

    Heil Hitler!
    Seig Heil!

    Now go have sex with your pigs in the pig-pen where you are currently gainfully employed shoveling pig s____, you neo-Nazi Schweinhund.

  223. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I’m hardly an expert on these matters…”

    And you have the audacity to call me a “nitwit”.

    Again, I have relevant questions that I am hoping you will at the very least entertain to respond to in a reasonable fashion.

  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    First off, if you are the gentleman responsible for this: UNZ.org – Periodicals, Books, and Authors

    Thanks so much for the very kind words regarding the UNZ.org content-archiving website, which indeed is mine and took many long years of effort to produce. I’m actually hoping to draw on the resources myself for future articles, and have been a little disappointed it gets less usage than I had originally hoped.

    Meanwhile, with regard to genetic structure of Jews, as a highly endogamous population of Middle Eastern/European hybrids, I think it’s about as solid as anything in the sciences can be. All the details were worked out years ago, and I’m aware of any remaining dispute. As I mentioned, the Jewish genome has been analyzed so thoroughly that it’s even been possible to trace the exact origins of nearly all European Jews to a few hundred Middle Eastern males and North Italian females living something like 1500-1700 years ago.

    Bear in mind, I’m not at all an expert, just someone who’s read a few articles over the years and noted that all the experts seem to agree. Offhand, I’d put the likelihood of this model being correct in the 99+% range. Gregory Cochran and Razib Khan have far greater expertise in all of this, so just browse around their blogs if you want more information.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  225. artichoke says:
    @Corvinus

    How have whites chosen to have open borders? We have laws requiring that they not be open, but the blacks currently in the White House are not enforcing them, and instead leaving them open so illegals can come in to compete, especially, with blacks for low-end jobs. You’re describing a situation that exists only in your head.

    And besides the comments here tend to be aspirational. Maybe we’ve chosen open borders in the sense that we haven’t tried hard enough to close them. But many of us want for the next President, the guy who promises to close the border much more effectively. You blame us for the current situation. That’s not very interesting. But we plan to fix it.

    You are applauding us for that, right?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  226. @Ron Unz

    …[I]… have been a little disappointed it gets less usage than I had originally hoped.

    I’m very sorry to hear that. I’m sure it has nothing at all to do with the site which is an inexpressibly tremendous resource. I’m often shocked at how incurious most folks are and how underutilized libraries have always seemed to be, at least for serious purposes.

    For my part I cannot express how appreciative I am to have access to such an informational gold mine.

    Thanks!

  227. For those who have not yet tired of the subject…

    The women (sic) [Israeli interrogator] laughs, but a cold laugh that does not extend to her eyes.

    “You are lying.” She bangs her fist on the table for emphasis.

    “… Real Jewish people don’t support BDS.”

    …. By saying that anyone who criticizes Israel isn’t Jewish, Israel is trying to define Judaism as being inseparable from Zionism. Now I am not an expert and I would never try to define Judaism either. After all, I’m only part Jewish and I had a secular upbringing. But I do know that Judaism can survive and thrive completely separate from the idea of Israel.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/accidentally-validated-activism/#sthash.2lNVs0ji.dpuf

    • Replies: @KA
  228. Corvinus says:
    @artichoke

    “How have whites chosen to have open borders?”

    It wasn’t whites, it was legislators who historically have said yes or no to immigration.

    “We have laws requiring that they not be open, but the blacks currently in the White House are not enforcing them, and instead leaving them open so illegals can come in to compete, especially, with blacks for low-end jobs. You’re describing a situation that exists only in your head.”

    The only thing in your head is believing Obama has been the only one not enforcing current immigration laws. That has been going on, unfortunately, for a couple of decades, regardless of the (D) or (R) in the White House.

    “Maybe we’ve chosen open borders in the sense that we haven’t tried hard enough to close them.”

    Who is this “we’ve” and “we”?

    “You blame us for the current situation. That’s not very interesting. But we plan to fix it.”

    Show me where I am blaming this “us”. Even more importantly, who is this “us”?

  229. Ace says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I think low replacement rates are a symptom not a cause. A reduction in the population of the U.S. is not per se a bad thing. White America did a lot in WWII with just 132M people.

    Those who are responsible for our problems are the political and financial class(es) who sold out the white majority by keeping the border open and otherwise encouraging all manner of legal and illegal immigration. They also allowed large-scale Eastern European immigration in which there was a large Jewish component. It became a powerful force for both communism and sick wide-open immigration and this went unopposed. Organized Jewry even today is a powerful, insistent force behind open borders, unrestricted immigration, and multiculturalism. The Baptists, the Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, and the Lutheran Church are others who have drunk this Koolaid in a major way.

    Feminism, also an exudate of radical leftism, has done immense damage by persuading women that family life is a form of patriarchal oppression. Socialist tax theft also made large families harder and harder to maintain, when socialism wasn’t busy in undermining and hampering productive people.

    Birth rates could easily be increased with appropriate incentives. To imply that the individual choice not to have children is not the result of powerful disincentives and defeatist national policies is to miss the larger picture.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Corvinus
  230. @Ace

    Good point, but white Americabns need to have at least four children per health married couple if they want to prevail — no matter how we got here or how expensive our gov has deliberately made it for productive working people to have kids.

  231. Corvinus says:
    @Ace

    “Birth rates could easily be increased with appropriate incentives.”

    Socialism. Wonderful!

    “To imply that the individual choice not to have children is not the result of powerful disincentives and defeatist national policies is to miss the larger picture.”

    The larger picture is the freedom of people, in this case whites, to choose for themselves whether or not to have children. White Americans need NOT have children, they should not be forced or coerced or shamed into have kids, as there are a number of whites who lack the resources or willpower or temperament to procreate.

    Ace, how many little (white) rugrats do you have in your brood? Better have four or more…

  232. Uslabor says:
    @woodNfish

    Tough shit, how funny! Let all of us white westerners now enjoy the fruits of our labor- a toxic, and soon to be uninhabitable Earth we created. Yehaw!

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  233. Uslabor says:

    (We) white folk were just lucky to be born white folk.

    That being said, I’d like to point out that our beloved Western Civilization is most responsible for turning our planet into a toxic world. For starters, does anybody remember the disaster at Fukishima, Japan? Has it been 5 years now since the destruction of the nuclear power plant there? Western civilization has not found the fuel rods yet, 400 tons of radioactive water goes into the Pacific everyday, and nobody pays attention.

    Pat will soon be worm meal. It will just take a little ore time for his precious Western Civ.

  234. rakewind says:

    As an Englishman and a European I find the constant degeneration of most debates into racial diatribes quite dispiriting. The entire premise of the original article is deeply flawed in that it seemingly takes no account of basic resource issues. As someone who voted for Brexit, I did so on environmental grounds. England is still, despite the best efforts of industrialists and latterly, property developers, a green and pleasant land. All over Europe people have environmental targets agreed at govt level and you don’t need a degree in maths to understand that more people means ever more demands on an ever shrinking resource base, making a mockery of any attempts to improve or remediate our environment. We are the problem, it’s people who cause pollution, not some abstract principle: more people means more pollutiion, more running down of basic resources such as viable agricultural land together with clean air and water. All these things are finite resources; there is no technological fix, not now and not until NASA tells us they have an operational FTL drive. I don’t give a tinkers cuss whether people are black, white or candy striped, the simple fact is that we are a small over-crowded island and the last thing we need are immigrants. The idea that we need them to do demeaning or geriatric care type jobs is utter nonsense; what we need is to redevelop a sense of community and belonging, but that’s not on the agenda of global capitalism. Furthermore, the problem of diminishing resources is a global issue and many of the conflicts of the past 60 years have basically been driven by resource issues. The masses of Asia and the Middle East are currently digging their own graves and with accelerating demand for enhanced and improved, largely western model lifestyles, the associated resource problems are growing apace. The entire tone of the original article was straight out of the 19th century and the author needs to catch up.

  235. bunga says:
    @Avery

    It’s time for you to try your lunacy in Armenia. Don’t tell you are born in America or Canada because it means nothing .You should leave and settle in some mountains over in Armenoooooo land . Take some family members with you .

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  236. Avery says:
    @bunga

    {It’s time for you to try your lunacy in Armenia. Don’t tell you are born in America or Canada because it means nothing .}

    Nope: I was born in Armenia.
    A grateful immigrant to United States of America.
    Where are you from?


    {You should leave and settle in some mountains over in Armenoooooo land . Take some family members with you .}

    I will leave, as soon as you and your nomad kin leave our historic Armenian lands and return to the Mongolian steppes in Uyguristan, Uyguroğlu.
    Make sure you take your sheeps, your yurts, and your savage nomad kin with you.
    Nomad Uyguroğlu.

  237. woodNfish says:
    @Uslabor

    Yeah. I think you need a strap for that tin-foil hat you’re wearing.

  238. KA says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    “New IDF Chief Rabbi: It is permissible to rape during war”. Under that: “Major Col. Eyal Qarim has declared in the past “draft of girls is totally forbidden” – and claimed that in times of war it is permissible for soldiers to “have sex with comely gentile women against their will”.

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/israeli-advocated-becomes/#sthash.FiwTstwm.dpuf

    Now he is Army Chief Rabbi

    In NYT of 11 th July there is front page article on Saudi Arab and Islam , on Wahbism . While reading through ,one cones across so many rules ,so many injunctions,so many restrictions including ban on travel to non Islamic countries . I thank NYT for posting an article like this .But NYT will not touch on this Rabbi by any stretch of imagination .
    That’s sad .
    Both also show how both religions have been corrupted by politics .

  239. Pat Buchanan has long decried the eventual browning of the white race in america. as he sees it, immigration – especially from latin america – is, and will be, the cause.
    alas, i’m not sure why he cares.
    in some future america(if america even exists)when the browning is complete, will americans care that they are brown and not white?
    of course not.

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