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As a cradle Catholic and recipient of Notre Dame’s Laetare Medal, Joe Biden is outspoken in declaring that the principles and beliefs of his Catholic faith guide his public life.

“Joe is a man of faith,” was a recurring theme at the Democratic convention that nominated him to become our second Catholic president.

Biden has often affirmed the centrality of his faith to his decisions in public life. In a video released on the eve of the convention, he credited Pope Francis and the nuns who educated him with making him the man he is today.

Yet, when the Supreme Court ruled in July that the Little Sisters of the Poor could not be forced, by an Obamacare mandate, to provide contraceptives to employees, Biden called the decision “disappointing.”

For Joe has evolved over a half-century. He is now an all-in Roe v. Wade Catholic who supports a woman’s right to abortion and believes the tax dollars of his fellow Catholics should pay for the abortions of women who cannot afford them.

This year, he changed his position and came out against the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits the use of tax dollars to pay for abortions.

What triggered Joe’s renunciation of his past support for the Hyde Amendment? Primary opponents Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris had battered him for it and Bernie Sanders had given Biden some tutoring in the new moral law of the Democratic Party.

Said the Vermont socialist, “There is no middle ground on women’s rights.” With that cuffing, Biden scurried off the middle ground and was all in.

“Circumstances have changed,” is how Biden explained his flip-flop.

Biden’s moral journey from right-to-life to pro-abortion Democrat has not gone unnoticed within the Church. A dozen years ago, when Biden was still a senator, a bishop in Scranton, with Joe in mind, declared:

“I will not tolerate any politician who claims to be a faithful Catholic who is not genuinely pro-life. … No Catholic politician who supports the culture of death should approach Holy Communion.”

During the South Carolina primary, Fr. Robert Morey of Florence denied Biden communion on the grounds he had excommunicated himself by taking the stand he has taken on the killing of the unborn.

“Holy Communion signifies we are one with God, each other, and the Church,” said Morey. “Any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself out of Church teaching.”

Biden also supports the restoration of federal funds for Planned Parenthood, a provider of abortions. Nor is life the only issue on which Biden has taken his leave of the teachings of the Church in which he was raised.

In 1994, Biden voted to cut off federal funds to schools that teach an acceptance of homosexuality. In 1996, he voted for the Defense of Marriage Act.

Once he had become vice president in 2012, however, Biden even got out ahead of Barack Obama in urging that homosexual unions be granted the legal and social standing of traditional marriage.

Had moral truth changed? Did Catholic teaching change? No, Biden changed. The Catechism of the Catholic Church still declares “homosexual acts” to be “intrinsically immoral and contrary to the natural law” and describes “homosexual tendencies” as “objectively disordered.”

Biden once believed this, or said he did for most of his life, for that is the way he campaigned in Delaware and voted in D.C.

What has changed is the Democratic Party Biden now heads. The precepts of LGBT now dictate “moral truth” in the party and platform of Joe Biden who now calls transgender rights “the civil rights issue of our time.”

As Biden has turned his back on the teachings of the Church in which he was raised, the Church itself is coming under physical attack by the same radicals besetting civil society.

In Miami, a statue of Christ the Good Shepherd was lately beheaded. A statue of the Blessed Virgin inside a Boston church was set on fire, and another was desecrated in Tennessee. In Denver, the same headless fate befell a statue of St. Jude.

Statues of Fr. Junipero Serra, the priest who founded 17 missions from San Diego north to San Francisco, when California was under Spanish rule, have been under constant attack.

In St. Louis, a mounted statue in the city’s Forest Park of the 13th century Saint and King Louis IX, the French monarch for whom the city was named, who led the Sixth and Seventh Crusades, is under siege.

Radicals are even demanding that the city’s name be changed.

On right-to-life, the declared position of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is clear: “Taxpayer dollars should never fund abortion.”

This unequivocal moral stance is being publicly repudiated and will be rejected, should he win the presidency on Nov. 3, by the professed believing and practicing Catholic, Joe Biden.

What, if anything, are the U.S. Catholic bishops going to say about this grave moral issue in the fall election? Or will they remain silent?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2020

• Category: Ideology • Tags: 2020 Election, Antifa, Catholic Church, Joe Biden 
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  1. If the Pope & Netanyahu gave Biden contradictory orders/suggestions, which one would prevail?

  2. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    The pope is a Jesuit and Joe has been given the tablet of the Khan, so to speak, by the Holy Order. The obvious answer is no.

    The more subtle answer is that Trump very clearly aligned himself with fake and gay protestantism by simping for evangelicals. At that point, as a Catholic, he became “not my president” well before the election, prompting me to vote for Rocky de la Fuente instead.

    This year I will enthusiastically vote “Joe!’ In Florida. Pax vobiscum!

  3. @Anonymous

    This year I will enthusiastically vote “Joe!’ In Florida. Pax vobiscum!

    Pox vobiscum?

  4. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    So, let’s make sure I have this Right: any good Catholic must vote Team Red in the next Most Important Election Ever?

  5. Emslander says:

    The answer is “no” and this “christian” West is headed for its chastisement!

  6. anarchyst says:

    Jews and Protestant “infiltrators” poisoned the Catholic Church with the imposition of the changes wrought by the Vatican II Ecumenical Council.
    Jews and Protestants were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.

    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day.

    The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for his crucifixion and death. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…

    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.

    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.

    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.

    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations, nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.

    There are Catholic sects that DO permit married clergy, but the Roman Catholic sect does not.

    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  7. Jake says:

    The Bishops will do next to nothing. Vatican II pastoralized the Catholic Church right into walking and talking like the Anglican Communion. That made certain that the Catholic hierarchy is decidedly left of center on all political and cultural issues, and flirts with heresy endlessly. The queers among them love Black Lives Matter, which is very much the queerest black radical group.

  8. Jake says:
    @Pat Kittle

    The answer is Netanyahu, of course. The primary reason is money. Jewish financiers.

  9. anon[546] • Disclaimer says:

    Stop picking on the vegetable! He’s not responsible for what comes out when Kamala pulls the string in his back.

    And if you’re going to point out that the vegetable is full of shit, you should not fixate on right to life. Doctrinal experts in the curia will tell you that the means of life is as integral to Catholicism as the right to life. And the means of life are the economic rights of the UDHR and ICESCR.

    So if the Vegetable wasn’t a phony bullshit mackerelsnapper he would have ratified the ICESCR long ago. As president his faith requires him to submit an ICESCR ratification package to Congress. Otherwise his senile soul is going to flop into hell and flounder in the lake of boiling phlegm for all eternity, occasionally getting harpooned out for anal rape by pustulent negroid demons with barbed penises.

    But then all US Catholics are phony bullshit Catholics. They take the means of life about as seriously as the rhythm method.

  10. Rurik says:
    @Pat Kittle

    If the Pope & Netanyahu gave Biden contradictory orders/suggestions, which one would prevail?

    Lucky for Biden there’s little chance of conflict.

    Both demand the death of Christendom though unlimited immigration.

    Both preside over the spiritual, cultural and moral abominations of our time.

    Both slavishly abase themselves to Chabad supremacists.

    Both are good with the Eternal Wars for Israel

    Both kneel and lick the Globo-homo

    So there’s not too much for Biden to worry about in choosing between his masters, because they both agree on all issues of consequence in our time.

    Here the Poop gets on his knees to fellate BLM

    But the degree to which Francis and the Vatican have seized on Floyd’s killing is unusual and suggests a coordinated messaging strategy aimed at a national church that Francis has long criticized for its political and ideological partisanship,

    Isn’t that something?

    the Poop is criticizing the American Catholics for their ‘partisanship’, while he’s engaging in rank partisanship on behalf of a Catholic apostate who supports abortion on demand, (funded by practicing Catholics against their moral truths), homo “weddings”, wars upon wars upon wars, torture camps, uber-corruption, and just about every scintilla of moral and spiritual sewage being force-injected into the souls of young Catholics the world over.

    It’s isn’t called Globo-homo for nothing.

    I just pity the honest and decent rank and file Catholics for whom their Poop must be a fraud. How do you reconcile that when your religion tells you that the Poop is infallible by definition?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Anonymous
  11. JimDandy says:

    American Catholics who are actually Catholic like Pat are very rare these days. I think (probably due to the power and influence of the Jesuits in schooling) that the only real impact of “a Catholic upbringing” these days is that the Church does an excellent job of conditioning its people to conform to the values of the mainstream culture, in perpetuity.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  12. @anarchyst

    Malachi Martin was on-hand as a participant and observed first hand how Vatican II began the suicidal self-destruction of the Roman Catholic Church. What at the time seemed benign reforms advancing the Church into modern times turned out to be dangerous cracks in orthodoxy, which were then exploited by various irreligious power blocs within the Church to forward their interests against those of the Church, as Christ’s body on earth. An immediate and obvious result was the alienation of many of the laity as centuries old traditions and rituals were abandoned in favor of such travesties as folk and rock masses.

    Another consequence was to introduce doubt about fundamental matters of faith at all levels of the Church. Many in both the clerisy and laity began questioning fundamental Church teaching on the sanctity of life, sexuality, and other fundamental doctrinal issues. After all, if some centuries old dogma could be swept away by papal fiat, why were others still sacrosanct? This kind of demoralization has led directly to the unwillingness of priests and bishops to criticize the sins of prominent Catholics and excommunicate the worst sinners.

    A more insidious and much more dangerous consequence was the subsequent homosexual takeover of many seminaries, homosexual infiltration of the priesthood and ecclesiastical hierarchy, and eventual moral corruption of the Church at every level. Among other desecrations this led to the so called “pedophile priest scandals”, the widespread rape of young boys by homosexual priests and its coverup by indifferent, sympathetic, or collaborating bishops. The result was further alienation of decent Catholics.

    Martin saw what was happening early on and warned of the consequences in a series of novels he wrote towards the end of the last century. He was at least sympathetic to the concerns of the Sedevacantist movement. He believed that the only hope for the Church was a modern reform, purge, and reconsecration in the spirit of the Council of Trent and the Counter Reformation.

    Until the Church cleanses and reforms itself it cannot aspire to chastise and correct erring public figures in the USA or anywhere else. I suspect that Buchanan realizes this.

    BTW, I agree with you that priestly celibacy is a necessary and inevitable reform that the Roman Catholic Church will sooner or later have to embrace. The requirement of celibacy has driven many aspirants to the priesthood away. One consequence has been that the Church wound up training and consecrating many homosexuals who have proven utterly unworthy of the priesthood and have polluted the entire Church.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  13. Rurik says:

    the Church does an excellent job of conditioning its people to conform to the values of the mainstream culture,

    Mainstream, or radical leftist?

    From the link I just posted:

    Last week, Francis denounced the “sin of racism” and twice identified Floyd as the victim of a “tragic” killing.

    Poop: “If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    Open borders, the death of Christendom, lip service to Globo-homo, hero worship of a violent black thug as a saint, universal condemnation of all white Catholics as ‘racists’, are not mainstream values. Rather they’re ultra-leftist, Marxist, Jewish supremacist, anti-Christ values of death and perversion and moral ab0minations that the mainstream reject.

    But if you want to be a Catholic in good standing with the Church, then what does that do to your mind and soul to have the spiritual leader of the Catholic church issuing anti-Christ decrees and damning your soul unless you too abase yourself to Saint George Floyd.

  14. A123 says:

    Why would the current non-Christian Pope act against non-Christian Biden?

    The Pope is a Pagan who worships “Mother Nature” (1)

    Situations such as a loss of biodiversity and economic inequality “have caused sister earth, along with all the abandoned of our world, to cry out, pleading that we take another course,” he wrote. “Never have we so hurt and mistreated our common home as we have in the last two hundred years.”

    PEACE 😇


  15. @Jake

    Heart-breakingly accurate:

    That made certain that the Catholic hierarchy is decidedly left of center on all political and cultural issues, and flirts with heresy endlessly.

    Leftists buy into the Jew #VILIFYwhitey narrative which Jews have devised to eradicate the descendants of Christendom, so the just-hip-enough-to-be-brainwashed among Catholics aid and abet the devil’s children (John 8:44) against the offspring of God Incarnate Jesus’ flock thereby furthering the #Jew\$4whiteGENOCIDE initiative.

    Disgustingly accurate:

    The queers among them love Black Lives Matter, which is very much the queerest black radical group.

    BLM is the farthest thing from a genuine grass roots black initiative anybody has seen since the original #Jew\$4whiteGENOCIDE formal guise for feigning concern about blacks, the NAACP.

    Jews, black gays and white women emboldening, enabling, encouraging, excusing, justifying, and liberating black criminal behavior in order to vilify for eradication the white Christian family man with total disregard for the devastation unrestrained black criminality will visit upon blacks themselves.

  16. With its seventeen hundred year track record of denying full human rights to half the human species on account of their gender, the Catholic Church needs to keep its damn mouth shut. It has long since forfeited the right to have an opinion on women’s issues.

    Add to this the church’s unrelenting persecution of gays, of Jews and other nonbelievers, its centuries-long enabling of pedophilia, its encouragement of absolutist tyrannies, and its knee-jerk opposition to all forms of social, political, and scientific progress. Just Google “SYLLABUS OF ERRORS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS IX” for a listing of what the church hates. The catalog includes democracy, the free press, freedom of religion, and demands immunity for the church from civil law, and many more outrages. No one who refuses to acknowledge, let alone recant this obscene heritage, is fit to claim a place in the civil life of a 21st century republic.

    • LOL: GazaPlanet
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  17. @Rurik

    Never give up hope.

    Remember: Pio Laghi traveled to Washington, DC in an attempt to persuade George Bush not to go to war against Iraq.
    Pio Laghi “got it.”
    He warned Bush that “war would be a disaster.”
    Tragically, Laghi’s mission failed, but he was on the right side of history.

    Cardinal Carlo Maria Viganò gets it.
    He wrote a comprehensive letter to Donald Trump.
    How right will history prove Viganò to have been?

    Michael Flynn gets it.
    Flynn, who is Catholic, penned this Aug 6, 2020 Letter to Americans
    It reflected Catholic values and sensibilities.

    On Aug 10, 2020, Rick Wiles and colleagues at TruNews re-aired this Fox news conversation between (Catholic) Attorney General Bill Barr and Mark Levin

    Barr stated that Antifa’s ideology is Bolshevik; their revolutionary goal is ultimate power and control.

    AG Barr gets it.
    Rick Wiles & colleagues Get it.

    So it’s not like we don’t have choices or courageous leadership.

    Whose bandwagon will you jump onto?

  18. Rurik says:

    So it’s not like we don’t have choices or courageous leadership.

    Many Catholics in my family and many friends. Dear and decent folks all.

    Indeed, Catholics are some of the best people I know.

    Just as with Americans and Brits and so many others, it’s our leaders that are scoundrels and corrupt and rotten to the core.

    When I go to (Protestant) church (not often), I’m generally appalled at the sermons, that (at least from what little I’ve seen) are pro-war. And slavishly pro-Israel.

    So it’s not a Catholic thing, except for the rot in the Vatican. And yes, there are very many good and decent members of the clergy who’re honorable and honest and no-doubt, in God’s good graces.

    Like this guy

    No bandwagons for me, S2C. You know me better than that.

    For me it’s the truth. Everywhere, at all times, without exception.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @SolontoCroesus
  19. anarchyst says:

    Actually Bishop Williamson was right. There was no “holocaust”…
    The jews DID murder Jesus Christ, getting others to do the deed, just like today.
    The jews DID take full responsibility for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death. “May his blood be upon us and of our descendants”.
    Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ knows no bounds. It’s all in the jewish talmud.
    The Catholic Church is WRONG for burying the truth.
    The Catholic Church silenced Father Coughlin who spoke truth…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @MichBr8
  20. @Rurik

    No bandwagons for me, S2C. You know me better than that.
    For me it’s the truth. Everywhere, at all times, without exception.

    Truth is a ship, not a wagon.

    The Good Ship SS Liberty.

    Yesterday TruNews premiered the first 2 hours of its 4-hour documentary on what really happened;
    the second 2-hours will air today:

    In Sacrificing Liberty , the men who were on board the Liberty tell their stories of what really happened to Matt Skow, who spent over a year composing the film.

    TruNews flew a number of the survivors to Vero Beach for the premier.

    There’s still time to purchase access to today’s live screening, as well as to the replay of all four hours as well as the opening ceremony and Q&A with Survivors on Saturday and Sunday.

    Subscribers can participate in CHAT and address questions to the filmmakers as well as the Liberty survivors.

    Highly recommended.

    nb. Bishop Williamson — a hero.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  21. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Was that screed designed to make me support the pope any less? Stop being cringe, dawg. Just put the face-diaper on and go outside!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  22. He’s not Catholic, he enjoys preteen girls, not boys!

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  23. @Pat Kittle

    If the Pope & Netanyahu gave Biden contradictory orders/suggestions, which one would prevail?

    That’s easy.

    He would make the quandary public and then read the NYTimes for the answer.

    The guy is afraid of making decisions that the press won’t back.

    They wanted Harris and he obliged.

  24. @anon

    US Catholics … take the means of life about as seriously as the rhythm method.

    Sorry to change the subject, but I can’t help but observe that the last time American fertility was as low as it is today was in the 1930s. That was also when the so-called “rhythm method” was in its heyday, except they didn’t start calling it that until some years later. In the 30s they called it the “safe period,” which was identical to the rhythm method except for one perhaps minor detail — that they had the ovular cycle exactly backward. Using the example of dogs, scientists, doctors and the public had long thought that ovulation occurred during menstrual bleeding instead of about half way between the menses. As a scientific paradigm change, the critical discovery occurred in 1929, but the dissemination of the information among the general public took another couple of decades to complete. No internet, no TV, of course. Just radio and print.

    That suggests, of course, a certain largely unexplained conundrum, which is that any couple trying to use the then accepted safe period for birth control would be concentrating their procreative efforts at exactly the wrong time.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  25. @SolontoCroesus

    …(Catholic) Attorney General Bill Barr… stated that Antifa’s ideology is Bolshevik; their revolutionary goal is ultimate power and control.

    AG Barr gets it.

    So it’s not like we don’t have choices or courageous leadership.

    Those statements eliminate the maker’s credibility sounding of sales puffery applied to an actually heinously evil man, as Barr is more accurately portrayed by Andrew Anglin.

    Anglin’s credibility is unsurpassed after calling out the flu hoax way back in March:

    Anglin has been relentlessly accurate identifying AG Barr’s failure to prosecute BLM criminality as the enabling dynamic of the summer-long riots.


    is his definitive statement made 18 Aug 2020 on Barr, whose father was a Jew converso Anglin has reported:

    Before Tucker’s show aired, I had prayed that he would call for the resignation of Attorney General William Barr, the man who is specifically and singularly responsible for all of this insanity on our streets. The Attorney General has the absolute ability to have all of these people who are destroying our country arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and yet Attorney General William Barr is explicitly and purposefully choosing to do absolutely nothing. All of this blood is on his hands. The tearing apart of our country – the destruction of the place where we all grew up, where we were babies, where we played as children, where we had our first girlfriends, where we had our first fist fights, is being burned to the ground and will no longer exist in the future because William Barr is choosing to stand by and do absolutely nothing.

    William Barr is making the decision to allow this to happen to our country, and thereby he might as well be doing it himself.

    I just want to say that William Barr is Jewish. Because I think that is very important. He is not a white man, he is not an American, he is a foreign desert person who has a position in our government and is actively destroying our country.

    Just understand: he has the ability to at any time stop all of this. Most of these people have their faces on video. It is within his power to have any and all of them arrested. He is deciding not to do that. He is deciding to let them burn our country. He is killing America, just as his ancestors killed our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


    on 28 July 2020 Anglin stated:

    The only logical conclusion I have been able to come to here is that Attorney General William Barr is actively working against Donald Trump, on purpose.

    Anglin acknowledged here

    that AG Barr accurately called the rioters “Bolsheviks”, but properly analyzed that as empty sans action:

    Attorney General William Barr continues to refuse to stop it, while going out there and giving interviews about how sad he is about it and how he thinks it’s bad.

    Oh. So they’re fascist-socialist-communist-Bolsheviks.

    Okay, sure.


    I’m not trying to argue that.

    Why aren’t you doing anything, General Barr?

    Why don’t you prosecute these people?

    In this gold-mine-of-insight piece

    Anglin enumerates some of Barr’s treachery current and past, saying he should be prosecuted.

  26. Pat which Bishops? The homosexual Bishops enjoying sexual relations with the young men under their care? Those Bishops? Uhhhhh, NO those Bishops LOVE the status-quo. How about the inability to go to Mass because of imposed State orders to force Mask-wearing and being separated in Church? Why couldn’t the Bishops stand up to simple recommendations from government to allow the Worship of God? Caronavirus you say, well I beg to differ, as Covid has been proven by science as a HOAX, because there has NEVER been any isolation of ANY virus EVER!! The Covids are as FAKE as Space!! Think people actually walked on the Moon do ya? Do you believe in God or do ya believe in MAN?

  27. @Peripatetic Itch

    Say want you want about the Catholics but they at least have children.

    I grew up protestant but I have very little respect for the modern protestant church.

    They get hung up over Catholics on issues like Mary but ignore the elephant in the room which is that their numbers keep dwindling.

    Too many protestant churches are unable to see what is important. They are more concerned with being right which is a flaw in Whites.

    In the typical small town you see a dozen small protestant churches and they all have half-full parking lots at best. It just isn’t working. They just aren’t pulling in the numbers and these conservative protestants also haven’t been able to stop liberalism. In fact many have embraced liberal values as part of an effort to appear modern and yet the Catholics attract more families.

  28. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Here we go again with talk of homos pretending to be priests. It’s probably no longer a safe place for gays to hide with all the media surrounding it.

    But more importantly it distracts from the bigger problem which is that the #2 religion in America is liberalism and they are growing faster than any protestant denomination.

    That is really the main problem.

    Liberalism is anti-White and pro-gay at the core.

    I wish the Catholics would change on the celibacy issue but we have much bigger problems right now.

  29. El Dato says:

    With its seventeen hundred year track record of denying full human rights to half the human species on account of their gender, the Catholic Church needs to keep its damn mouth shut. It has long since forfeited the right to have an opinion on women’s issues.


    Why don’t you adhere to Islamism, troll. It’s the new women’s liberation front.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  30. @El Dato

    He’s a troll, El Dato. The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them or more pithily, “Don’t feed the trolls.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  31. Emslander says:

    It wouldn’t matter a whit that Joe Biden wants to go to hell for supporting the murder of God’s weakest human creatures. What matters is that he goes around pretending to be a faithful Catholic and, apparently, he’s gotten his local priest to ignore his blackened soul.

    To all the trollers who make such futile efforts to slander the Catholic Church, please keep in mind that it’s about the means to salvation. That’s what the Church has, in its rituals, its teachings and its sacraments. Those matters you can’t distort. Unfortunately, we’re all sinners, too, which gives the devil so much ammunition against us.

  32. The answer is a resounding “No.” The majority of US bishops are sellouts who support abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism and the New World Order. Francis himself denies the divinity of Jesus and under him the Church is not only being run by a gay mafia (according to dissident Archbishop Vigano,) it is (again, according to Vigano)”the spiritual arm of the global government.”

  33. Fr. John says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Depends on whether you are a Novus Ordo heretic, or a true Catholic Christian.
    In Biden’s case, it’s the former.

    Just anathematize and excommunicate Joe… AND the Ho.

  34. Anna S. says:

    On right-to-life, the declared position of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is clear: “Taxpayer dollars should never fund abortion.”

    Furthermore, TAXPAYER dollars should never fund KOSOVO’S war criminals like Hashim Tachi, and the illegal declaration of independence of USTASHAs in KOSOVO, a NARCO-HUMAN trafficking state, the European capital of drugs and prostitution.

    KOSOVO is Serbia,

    Canadian soldiers remember Madak Pocket, the media lies, the training by NATO of Albanian NAZIS against Serbs, and Serbs butchered and burned alive by your monsters, the bombing of Serbia and the destruction of Orthodox churches, and then Kosovo stolen from Serbia to smuggle 70% of the Afghan opium in Europe.

    Catholic Priest Officiates at Fully-Uniformed Nazi’s Funeral
    Jasenovac, DINKO SAKIC

    Posted by Julia Gorin:

  35. The Bishops are sinless ? I am dismayed how many have led immoral lives in USA and lived a life in complete contrast to their vows and commandments but now want to lynch a person who is voted into office and is allowing his voters their right to be provided alternatives. What Joe Biden does privatley cis in harmony with Church teaching but Biden allowing others to have an alternative that Biden personally would not choose —both are free to act.

  36. @Anonymous

    A devotee of the ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD calling other denominations “gay”? Self-awareness is not your strong suit.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  37. @anon

    You are dead wrong anon. Many Catholics are not and never will be bullshit Catholics. Where do you live? Your statement is way off. I am 70 years old and I never gave in to the system. I know plenty of cowardly Catholics but I still see enough that won’t give in.
    The majority of Catholics will give in but there are going to be many who will never accept the bullshit.

    • Replies: @Fr. John
  38. RVBlake says:

    “Taxpayer dollars should never fund abortions” say the Catholic bishops. Interesting that they show no such principled stand against the use of taxpayers’ funds by Catholic Charities in settling African immigrants in White communities in Maine.

  39. Don’t you people know anything? American Catholics look to Notre Dame for guidance. The Vatican doesn’t even have a football team, …and can’t speak English very well.

    But seriously, how can anybody take this stuff seriously? is there anyone so simple as not to recognize farce?

  40. @RadicalCenter

    I know very few homosexual Catholics — it seems like it’s limited to their clergy. Every fag I know is a Born Again Prot, though.

  41. @Supply and Demand

    Oh well, if it is merely their clergy who are unapologetic deviants, that’s okay then. I mean, how important is mere clergy to the identity, influence, and credibility of a religious institution, right?

    As for your alleged homosexual acquaintances being all protestants, you must know a highly unrepresentative bunch of homosexuals. I’m sure you have some opinion polling to suggest that your alleged experience in this regard is typical?

    The many open “proud” homosexuals here in la and oc do not attend our Baptist church or its affiliated churches, I can tell you that. If they did, the Pastor would welcome them, tell them that we are all sinners in need of God’s forgiveness and reform, and urge them to get help to overcome their indulgence in that unnatural, inherently unhealthy “lifestyle.” If they said that it is not a sin and they plan to keep on doing it unrepentantly, they might no longer be welcome. What they would NOT be is candidates for ministerial positions as in the RC church during at least the past half century or so.

    As for homosexuals in the usa more broadly, they are much more represented among the atheist, agnostic, and “spiritual but not religious” or “Nothing in particular” categories than the general US population under age 18-40 — which is saying a lot:

    ** This 2013 Pew Research poll of “lgbt” people in the US shows that self-declared homo or bi people are FAR less likely to belong to any Protestant church than the general populace is (27% of homo/bi people versus 49% of the general populace).

    Likewise, self-declared homosexual and bisexual people are FAR less likely to belong to any Catholic church than the general populace is (14% of homo/bi people versus 22% of the general populace).

    Let us know if you find opinion polling or other actual evidence that supports your wishful-thinking assertion that “most fags are Protestants, not Catholics.”

    (In the seven years since that poll was conducted, the US populace apparently has moved more towards Atheist/Agnostic or “Nothing in Particular”, especially among younger people. Moreover, despite the massive unending flood of Latino settlers, the percentage of US residents identifying as Catholic has declined to only 20%. Protestant has declined to 43%.)

    You remind me of the more simpleminded, shortsighted people in our own congregation who just hate hate hate catholics. They are acting in a foolish and counterproductive manner and so are you. While you mock protestants and invent unfounded generalizations about them, irreligion, selfishness, permanent immaturity, sexual perversion, and anti-family values are on the march — and on the other hand, people looking for confident manly leaders and clear traditional doctrines about sex roles and family are turning to Islam for lack of manliness, confidence, courage, and normalcy among both catholic and protestant clergy. That is something we should both oppose. Protestants and Catholics had better get together politically, socially, economically, and stay together.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  42. All of this just goes to show that the “culture war” isn’t really a battle where both sides duke it out as they try to move the country in opposite directions.

    It is really just a slow slide to the left and nearly all institutions are sliding in the same direction. If you are in the Democratic Party, then you support abortion, pure and simple. If you are in the Republican Party, then you blather about how much you hate abortion, but don’t rarely do anything about it if you are elected.

    If you are irreligious, then you probably are vocal about your (successful) struggle to enact cultural leftism. But if you are the Catholic Church, then you pay lip service to the old teachings, but don’t actually excommunicate anybody for defying them. And so forth.

    This is why, if currents trends keep up, the United States will not do what a lot of right-wingers pine for and split up into conservative and liberal halves. Rather, conservatives and liberals will keep yelling insults at each other while they all move in the same direction.

    Here is a good summary of what is going on:

  43. robwin says:

    A better question would be when will the Catholic faithful call out their bishops for tolerating heresy.

  44. @Supply and Demand

    I know very few homosexual Catholics — it seems like it’s limited to their clergy. Every fag I know is a Born Again Prot, though.

    This thread confirms what I already said.

    US protestants talk about gay bishops while their churches are in decline.

    As if some faggot in the city pretending to be a priest is their main problem.

  45. @Jus' Sayin'...

    He’s a troll, El Dato.

    Are you sure “Observator” is a he?

    She could be someone attempting to move to Number One Observatory Circle.

  46. @anon

    Stop picking on the vegetable! He’s not responsible for what comes out when Kamala pulls the string in his back…

    …after Willie pulls the strings on her wrists.

  47. @RadicalCenter

    I am just offering my anecdotal evidence. As I’m sure you know, there are no Baptists in Dante’s Inferno, Purgatorio, & Paradiso. You will say the Reformation had not yet occurred, but to me, that sounds like fake and gay progressivism. I suppose you will extol the virtues of the Democratic Party, next.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  48. Fr. John says:
    @Lost american

    Lost- You are not much older than I am. The fact that you have remained within the CULT of Vatican Eww, lo these many years, proves that you are full of BS.

    Ann Barnhardt has made it clear- Bergoglio is an ANTI-Pope, at best.
    But the Trad RC’s (who see the current Papacy as antichrist – and rightly so!) believe ALL popes after 1958 to be INVALID pastors of the flock. I believe they are right-er. And, if that is so, the very concept of the Roman Church being “Catholic” is an oxymoron, and the Orthodox are right- “Rome was the first Protestant!”

    I left the church when the Church left me. Even as an adolescent of 15, the utter BLASPHEMY of a priest denouncing the Vietnam War showed me that the Church had chosen to be ‘of the world’ rather than fight the world with the weapons at hand.

    Nowadays, your priests are all sodomites, your nuns are non-existent, you have uppity females ruling your parishes and dioceses, your laity long for Vatican III, and allow their boys to become caricatures of women by SRS (Our former neighbor, did both- and is a ‘good communicant’ at his Synagogue of Satan!) and the laity are little more than Methodists with a scapular… that is, if anyone in your Novus Ordo parish even KNOWS what a scapular is!

    Flee from Rome. As fast as your arthritic knees can take you…. for the salvation of your soul.

    Misericordie, Domine.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  49. Fr. John says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Supply- Then you are blind as well as dissembling. How many times did I have clerics running after me, or other young men I knew, who were in Seminary, while I remained in Rome?

    Read the Following, and be enlightened.

  50. @Ilya G Poimandres

    You know, my family left the RC church and I am glad that we did. But tarring hundreds of millions of catholic people as somehow more likely to be child molesters? Disgusting.

    Now the RC PRIESTHOOD, yes, that is a whole different story. They deserve whatever you have to dish out.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  51. @Supply and Demand

    You aren’t very bright, it seems, and clearly haven’t read my years of comments if you think that. Perhaps you have kept your face diaper on too long and reduced the flow of oxygen to your brain?

    The systematically deviant, corrupt, disloyal, antiwhite RC clergy and hierarchy can go fuck themselves — and they do, regularly — as can the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and you.

    Happy Tuesday.

    • Agree: Rurik
  52. @Fr. John

    Right on, it is really important that people know what a scapular is. Way to focus on the problems we face in the world, and the struggle within our society and our hearts against evil.

  53. Rurik says:

    The Catholic Church silenced Father Coughlin who spoke truth…

    Says it all.

    Just like they’re trying to silence Bishop Williamson, and for the same reason. They both speak the truth.

    The rot in the Vatican oozes pus every time pope Frances opens his anti-Christ and anti-Christian gob.

    May he burn in Hell.

  54. Rurik says:

    Truth is a ship..

    Yes, or the ship is our times, society, our life.. We’re the captain of the ship, and the truth is our guiding navigator/destiny.

    Thanks for the heads up vis-a-vis the Liberty event. I have ties to Florida, and would love to have shown my support. For the Liberty survivors, for the good folks at TruNews, and in homage to the truth.

    I agree on Bishop Williamson. 100%

  55. Rurik says:

    Was that screed designed to make me support the pope any less? Stop being cringe, dawg. Just put the face-diaper on and go outside!

    Lots of popes have been flawed and even reprehensible individuals. But none that I know of actually did all they could to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Christendom, thereby dooming all Christians to a fate worse than death, as they’re lives and children will be handed over to the purpose of those who will ultimately dominate them in absolute terms.

    The Jews did that to the Christians of Spain, when they opened the gates of Spain to the Moorish invaders, and centuries of depraved slavery and humiliating domination of Europeans by their African masters.

    But to have the pope be the one to betray Christians in this way, and by doing so, betray Christ Himself, is an enormity beyond human comprehension, for its sheer malevolent treachery.

    Francis- the rat- has earned his place in Dante’ ninth, perhaps like no other.

    Support Christ and His teachings, if that suits you. Support the Catholic people, as indeed, I do myself. But to support the exalted and trusted man who works to betray all of them to their deadliest enemy, for his own personal vanity, is beyond grotesque.

    I don’t begrudge people their faith in religious leaders, but when those leaders turn out to be charlatans and scoundrels, (like those pedophile priests, who use their positions of trust to rape little boys), then there’s something very queer about a person who would continue to put his trust in such a man.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  56. anarchyst says:

    The rate of incidence for sex crimes is about 1 %.
    That is Far less than that of Protestants, JEW Rabbis, Boy Scout troopmasters or certainly Public School administrators. The leader in sex crimes against children is usually inter family related i.e. Step Fathers, Friends, uncles etc.
    JEWs made a crisis, than brought suit against the centralized Catholic Church and in so doing, forever tarnished the clergy who was their archnemesis. It’s hatred of the Catholic Church that drives this “crisis”.

    Free Republic

    Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?
    August 14th, 2009 | Kevin Roeten

    Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?

    It turns out pedophilia is an incorrect term, and Catholics aren’t responsible for most of it.

    Shockingly, AP breaks out of their typical liberal mold and reports Insurance companies shed light on extent of sex abuse in Protestant churches, that sexual abuse of minors has been rampant. But in their statement, they indirectly say members of the Catholic Church are not the majority abusers.

    AP discusses the raw numbers from three companies that insure the majority of protestant churches in America (Church Mutual, Guide One, and Brotherhood Mutual), and typically receive 260 reports/yr of people under 18 being sexually abused. Compare that with ~228 credible accusations/yr against Catholic clerics since 1950 (documented abuse records).

    Together with that information, it is known that the Catholic Church greatly outnumbers any specific Protestant denomination, and the data for Protestant churches is available only for the last seven years. Ever since the first sexual abuse cases had been reported, Catholics have had requirements: 1) police background check done on all volunteers,including priests, 2) a second person be present at all religious functions, and 3) all personnel involved with minors must take routine checks with Protecting God’s Children.

    Without a doubt, sexual abuse of a minor is one of the most despicable crimes and sins that man can perpetrate. But predators seem to thrive in an atmosphere where the base congregation is one of the most trusted organizations that exist.

    Philip Jenkins, in his 1996 book Pedophiles and Priests, [[link edited for length]], looked at the problem objectively and dispassionately. Jenkins (who is not Catholic) found that true pedophilia is extremely rare, and perhaps more common among Protestant clergy, and is even more common among married laymen.

    He found that in most sexual abuse cases (under the age of consent), the behavior is actually a variety of homosexuality. This sexual attraction with very young men that combine the charm of boyishness with sexual maturity is actually called ephebophilia. Pedophilia is really a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

    The worst sex crimes against children is in the Jewish communities and protestant churches.
    Tomasi was not reserved with criticism either and citing data published by the daily Christian Science Monitor, which was founded a hundred years ago by the Christian Science Church, said that the Catholic Church cleaned its house, Jutarnji List writes.
    According to their figures the majority of the US child abuse cases happens in the Protestant churches and Jewish communities, says Tomasi.


    A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done an in depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts. It seems that while 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys), a whopping TEN percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia!

    This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term Pastor pedophilia coined at all!

    Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the point of the necessity of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!

    Protestant pastor pedophilia is not within the frame of our social constructionists as Jenkins calls the media:

    In the 1980s, [Pastor] Leyva had abused perhaps one hundred boys in several Southern states, but few of us ever learned of it. Leyva had the distinction of being a Pentecostal minister and was, therefore, not within the frame of those who were busy constructing reality. The same is true of the three brothers, all Baptist ministers, who were charged with child molestation in the 1990s; the public learned little about this highly unusual series of cases because it was not deemed worthy of dissemination by those fixated on Catholic scandals. [1]

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Rurik
  57. @anarchyst

    Not talking at all about only, or mainly, molestation of children or coercing/pressuring/confusing a teen boy.

    The vastly more widespread problem in the RC priesthood is the priests having deviant “sex” with each other — including young seminarians indoctrinated and pressures into that unhealthy, unmanly, dead-end “lifestyle” — and with other adults outside their bizarre club.

    Do you think that is even one tenth as common among protestant ministers in the usa? Please.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  58. anarchyst says:

    You make an excellent point about the “lavender lobby” that exists in the Catholic seminary system.
    Many good candidates for the priesthood were rejected because they were “straight” (heterosexual) and not part of the lavender lobby.
    The Catholic Church was poisoned by homosexuality and pederasty. I wonder how many bishops and cardinals were (and still are) a part of this sordid affair…

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  59. Rurik says:

    It’s hatred of the Catholic Church that drives this “crisis”.

    I’m glad to see RadicalCenter and yourself are in alignment.

    I can attest that I do not hate the Catholic Church, nor certainly not the Catholic people.

    But something has happened to the Church since the days of Father Coughlin, for whom my respect is boundless.

    Today it’s multiculturalism and LGBT and open borders. The pope is more of a Jewish supremacist than Sandra Bernhard, (if that skank is still alive).

    And as much as all decent people are appalled at fiends like Jerry Sandusky and today’s Boy Scouts, there’s something unholy (literally) when a man dons the accouterments of the priesthood,

    and puts on airs of holiness, so that he can take advantage of the trust that goes along with such symbols- to betray that sacred trust in the most heinous way imaginable.

    When a man rapes a boy, he doesn’t just take his innocence, he takes his very identity.

    And in doing so, earns the righteous wrath of an outraged society. Especially if that society wants to protect not just their children, but the symbols being subverted from God’s holiness – to a degenerate man’s demented perversions.

    In other words, it wasn’t just that some priests were walking moral abominations against God, but that the Church coddled these monsters, and protected them, and facilitated their predatory ways by shuffling them around to where they could continue their unholy and unspeakable predations.

    I once saw a video of a man in Iran convicted of child rape, being impaled on a spike. Eventually the tip punctures his shoulder, as the agonized fiend gets his own.

    Perhaps that’s a bit grizzly, and arguably barbarous. But I couldn’t help thinking it seemed appropriate somehow, for what the fiend had done. And this man was no priest, but just a low-life scumbag from the edges of society. How much more would a priest deserve the righteous wrath of an outraged society, much less the wrath of God Himself?

    IOW, it’s not that a few priests raped boys, but that they were protected, instead of handed over to the authorities for the harshest punishment possible. Jerry Sandusky’s fate, at least. But instead these monsters were coddled by the Church going all the way up the ladder, presumably to include the pope, whose ‘gay’-friendly rhetoric is by now infamous.

    Would you allow your son to join the overtly gay-friendly Boy Scouts?

    If the Catholic Church wants to redeem itself from that scandal, then they should come out blazing against this unholy sin in the most vituperative language available to them. Zero tolerance for homosexual activity in the Catholic church, with anti-homosexual zealots given unprecedented powers to investigate and rout these perverts from the sacred and holy grounds of the Church.

    That’s how I’d do it anyways, and I’m not even Catholic.

    • Agree: anarchyst, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  60. @Rurik

    You may be familiar with the name of father James Porter. He just may be the poster-child of the modern day priestly pedophilia phenomenon.

    By his own account, he molested at least 100 children, over a 30 year period. He left the priesthood in 1974 and subsequently married, had children, and abused them.

    He was a monster.

    Nevertheless, what has always struck me is how the victims’ grievance crime families have parlayed the Catholic priest scandals to their benefit and to the detriment of the rest of us. Said otherwise, those who would destroy western civilization, and its values, including, the nuclear family, free association, the right to freely exercise one’s faith, free enterprise, valor, manliness, art, and the right to be left alone, have used the scandals to enrich themselves while all the while tightening the noose of anarcho-tyranny.

    One aspect of this is the on-going promotion of victims and casting victims as “heroic” and “courageous.” Victims have become cultural icons. I find that nauseating. It is downright vomitatious.

    Another is that we must believe all women anent their allegations of sexual assault and / or sexual harassment – even if they are per se incredible. We are not allowed to question them.

    In the summer of 1995, I read a Boston Globe Sunday magazine profile of one of father Porter’s accusers. At the time of publication, summer 1995, the accuser was in his mid-forties. He asseverated that he was abused by father Porter in the mid-1960s when he was a 15 year-old altar boy.

    The accuser averred that father Porter had never raped him or forcibly assaulted him; rather, via means of cajoling and manipulating, father Porter persuaded the teenager to allow him, father Porter, to touch his testicles.

    How many times? ONE TIME.

    The accuser insisted that father Porter had “ruined” his life and that he had suffered through periodic bouts of depression thereafter. He insisted that he had not had a successful life and had failed to live up to his expectations or those of his parents and that it was all because of father Porter.

    Essentially, this accuser proclaimed: I’m a failure because the priest played with my pee-pee. When I was 15.

    Once again, father Porter was a monster. That is not in doubt.

    However, what does it say about the accuser’s spirit, his soul, his raison d’etre?

    Does one get a life-long mulligan because father fooled you into allowing his fingers to frolic in the forbidden zone, just once?

    This accuser’s case highlights several malignancies of the victim grift.

    One, as in the case of this accuser, is to outsource one’s duty and responsibility to fully engage life.

    A second is the loss of discernment, a vitiation of the ability to distinguish as a priest repeatedly sodomizing a six year-old is not the same thing as a priest touching a 15 year old’s penis once.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  61. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Yes Mike, the whiney-whiner, crybaby mentality is nauseating, I must agree.

    a priest repeatedly sodomizing a six year-old is not the same thing as a priest touching a 15 year old’s penis once.

    Very, very true indeed.

    I can’t speak for the 15 year old victim, and it seems like a mild enough violation of his dignity, but what I wonder is if the trauma was caused by the weight of the assailant’s vaulted position in the fifteen year old’s eyes.

    If the teen was truly devout, and considered the priest as a holy man of God, might that have effected his faith to the core? And not just his faith in God and the Church, but his faith in mankind as well.

    Imagine you’re not the fifteen year old, but his dad. How would you react if you saw your priest with his hands down your teenage son’s pants?

    I can tell you that if I was on the jury, I wouldn’t just vote to acquit such a father, but I demand the Church compensate the family for the ordeal of a murder trial.

    It all goes to trust, and the abuse of trust. Perhaps for a sensitive young man, having his priest be a deviant pervert, effected the teen deeply. A rough and tumble fifteen year old might slap the shit out of the pervert, and break his face. But a sensitive type, might be traumatized. IDK.

    Once here on Unz there was a debate about the Cologne, Germany assaults on New Year’s Eve not so long ago. The argument was that if there were a lot of rapes happening, (as had been alleged by the German women), then there’d be some smart phone videos of them posted to YouTube.

    Well it turns out (apparently) that many of these rapes were what we later learned were ‘digital’ rapes. IOW, the Muslim and other refugees didn’t actually insert their dicks into the girls, but only stuck their fingers into the young ladies. Ganging up on them, so they couldn’t get away, and then taking turns violating them, but ‘only’ with their fingers.

    As it turns out, this is apparently, according to German law, rape. When it’s done by force, and is definitely non-consensual.

    Now, what are we to make of it?

    Should we tell these precious princesses to get over themselves, it was only digital ‘rape’?

    What about their boyfriends, stop whining?

    What about the German people? Get over it? It was only digital ‘rapes’, and these ladies were dressed provocatively, and the Muslims aren’t used to that. It was German girls own fault for provoking the ‘refugees’?

    If I were on the jury, and a German man had broken the neck of a ‘refugee’ who had only digitally raped his girlfriend, and was charged with murder, then you can guess what my verdict would be.

    Sometimes my sympathies are definitely with the victim, even if it’s only a mild sort of violation, depending on the circumstances.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  62. The “weight of the assailant’s vaulted position” might have shaken the 15 year old’s faith and trust in the church, as well as humanity. I do not recall whether he articulated as such in the profile piece to which I adverted.

    If he was truly devout, is it not reasonable to think that he would have reconciled father Porter’s sordid and unholy behavior with other precepts of the faith, namely, that all men are afflicted with original sin and have fallen short of the glory of God?

    Yes, a sensitive type might be traumatized, but should he permit the trauma to pervade his very being, for the rest of his life?

    If a father of a 15 year old who had been groped, with the teenager’s consent, just once, by a priest, takes the life of the priest, with malice aforethought, and with premeditation, I might acquit on murder 1, but, not on murder 2.


    Such a father, by his own actions, would have demonstrated that he cared not for proportional justice.

    The Cologne assaults are a different matter. The women did not consent to being digitally penetrated by the Mohammedans. As you note, some of the rapes were gang rapes, perpetrated in typical, cowardly muzzie fashion.

    Given that some in the Islamic world think that it is okay for Moslems to rape infidels, a father who took the life of one of the Mohammedans who gang raped his daughter would be justified in so doing as the principles of proportionate justice would not be violated.

    Taking the life of a muzzie who gang-rapes and who insists that he has a god-given right to do so is justifiable homicide as such a dark, malevolent being constitutes a clear and present danger to the life and safety of others.

    A priest who touches a 15 year old boy’s pee-pee, with the young man’s consent, is not the gang-raping muzzie who thinks he has a divine right to do so.

  63. Wyatt says:

    Question asked:
    “Will the Catholics do the right thing?”

    Do they ever?

  64. @Liberty Mike

    Calling the penis a pee-pee is a lame attempt to downplay the imposition by this deviant on the teenaged boy. Nice try calling him a young MAN too.

    The men in the family should ensure that the priest is severely punished no matter what a jury says. Severely. If the superiors refuse to permanently defrock and excommunicate the man, they should be punished by the family as well — and by their parishioners, but we already know that most RC parishioners are pathetic unprincipled doormats whose slavish obedience to these perverts and crooks knows no end.

    More broadly, decent people may eventually turn to extremes such as Islam if they are the only prominent group that has moral and personal confidence and the willingness to forcibly stand up against this and affiliated fashionable sicknesses in our society. Let’s not let it get to that.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @anarchyst
  65. @Rurik

    By their standards, it would be fair to cut off “only” their fingers, then. Same with the sodomite misfit with the collar.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  66. @Liberty Mike

    This is a very thoughtful comment. But perhaps when the bonds of decency, responsible liberty, safety, and peace are frayed as badly as they are now, when decent peaceful people are being attacked with impunity, openly threatened and intimidated and demeaned, and their children brainwashed or molested or twisted into sin and mental illness … perhaps proportional and EFFECTIVE justice requires more than it otherwise would.

    As in, don’t naively be satisfied with somewhat punishing “men” like this one in the hope of being “fair” to him and merely sufficiently deterring others. Just eliminate the problem. No worries about recidivism, and a much more formidable deterrent to others.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  67. @RadicalCenter

    Why should we assume that the 15 year old had no agency?

    To argue that the 15 year-old was completely incapable of giving his consent is at odds with reality and an insult to the 15 year old.

    At 15, one should be able to decline a deviant’s request for sexual favors.

    You, at your station in life, know the difference between consent and coercion. There is a difference and we should not pretend otherwise.

    As for the men of the family, maybe they should first come to grips with the fact that their 15 year old son or nephew or cousin CONSENTED.

    Maybe the men of the family should be exemplars of reason.

    Maybe the men of the family should practice proportionate justice.

    Maybe the men of the family should not allow negro nihilists to burn, loot, and murder.

    Maybe the men of the family should not throw in their lot with Caesar by becoming a mercenary of the multi-racial empire of ZUSA.

    More broadly, why would any decent, rational, human being find solace in Mohammed? Are you overlooking the propensity with which muzzies rape and gang-rape? Are you overlooking the propensity with which muzzies engage in anti-social behavior?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  68. @RadicalCenter

    Points taken.

    Between the ages of 14-16, my best buddies and I were befriended by a 21 year old lecher with a 4-door 1969 gold Buick Electra (the “gold bomb”). He served as our “chauffeur,” driving us to and from various hang-outs, parties, and the like. He would buy beer for us.

    He was a big fellow, standing at 6’2 or 6’3 and nearly 3 bills, though he was a blob. He was not exactly pretty, to be kind about it.

    On many occasions, when one of us was the last in the car with him, he would ask, and sometimes beg, to “have a wrestle” with him. Naturally, none of us ever consented. We did not need daddy or uncle Joe to make that decision for us.

    Just to avoid any ambiguity: I do not condone what father Porter did with the 15 year old, never mind the totality of his monstrous acts. Proportionate justice would have been served if the fathers of some of father Porter’s rape victims had acted to prevent recidivism.

  69. anarchyst says:

    Your statement: /More broadly, decent people may eventually turn to extremes such as Islam if they are the only prominent group that has moral and personal confidence and the willingness to forcibly stand up against this and affiliated fashionable sicknesses in our society./ …exchanges one form of sexual misconduct for another.
    Islamics condone bacha bazi which is sexual misconduct (rape) between grown men and young boys, none of which has the possibility of being consensual.
    Even the jews’ own talmudic teachings and writings state that intercourse between a grown man and a girl of “3 years and a day” is acceptable.
    I would much rather have to deal with the pederasty and homosexuality of the Catholic clergy than these two other “religions” that have codified and condoned child rape and even murder in their religious texts.

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  70. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    If a father of a 15 year old who had been groped, with the teenager’s consent, just once, by a priest, takes the life of the priest, with malice aforethought, and with premeditation, I might acquit on murder 1, but, not on murder 2

    if a father walks into his son’s (or daughter’s) middle school gym locker room, and sees the coach with his hands on his fifteen year old child’s genitals, I certainly wouldn’t begrudge him taking a baseball bat to the coach’s head.

    Justifiable homicide. All day long. And then pin a medal on the man.

    I take a very dim view of men in positions of trust, abusing that trust to seduce the children they’re trusted to care for. And the higher position, the greater the betrayal. It doesn’t get much higher than a ‘man of God’.


    Such a father, by his own actions, would have demonstrated that he cared not for proportional justice.

    Well, obviously people’s definitions of proportionate are relative.

    A while back a father (Gary Plauché) executed the rapist of his son in broad daylight with the cameras rolling. It was calculated and done in cold blood, and with malice aforethought, and yet he was given community service, and no prison time, because like me, the people of Louisiana agreed that if anything, the guy deserved a medal, and the appreciation of the whole community, for doing such a good deed and community service.

    When it comes to our children, (or wives or girlfriends, etc..), then there are a lot of us that take a very dim view of those whom would prey upon them to sate their base depraved lusts.

    I once had a discussion with a liberal about whether or not a woman being raped should use a gun to stave off her rapist. His position was that as bad as the rape is, it would make matters much worse if she used a gun and killed the guy, because a killing would be even worse than a rape.

    I don’t see it that way. Recently here on Unz someone posted a scene from Doctor Zhivago where the blonde walks into a restaurant and shoots her rapist in cold blood. No one tried to punish her for it, because all knew (even the rapist) that he had it coming.

    A priest who touches a 15 year old boy’s pee-pee, with the young man’s consent, is not the gang-raping muzzie who thinks he has a divine right to do so.

    He’s a priest, what, if not divine right, is he abusing with his perverted violation of the child’s dignity/innocence/identity?

    If a boy is confused about his sexuality, and allows a similar aged boy to touch his pee-pee, then I’d say no harm no foul.

    But for a man, and especially a man of authority, and especially a man who presumes to the authority of holiness and represents the power and sanctity of the Catholic Church, and is trusted by that child’s parents to do what’s right by the boy, then when he abuses that authority and trust, then my condemnation for him would be equal to the power and trust that he abused.

    In the case of the priest, I’d be very harsh. Not as harsh as if he violated the boy, (death), but harsh nevertheless, as an example to other homos (or heteros) not to mess with children.

  71. Rurik says:

    By their standards, it would be fair to cut off “only” their fingers, then.

    they have their standards, I have mine.

    I wonder, if you asked them if they’d prefer to lose a finger or two, or suffer what I’d do to them (send them back home), if they wouldn’t be saying ‘can you take them off the left hand please?

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  72. The father who walks into the locker room and witnesses the coach with his hands on his 15 year old son would be justified in giving the coach a vicious beating. But not murder.

    You do discern the difference between the father who witnesses the groping of his 15 year old son by the coach and the father of the 15 year old who later learns that his son consented to a deviant’s request to touch the son’s penis?

    I, too, take a very dim view of men in positions of trust who abuse such trust by sexually exploiting the children in their charge. I also agree that the higher the position of trust, the greater is the betrayal, though I would not necessarily agree, per se, that a homosexual priest is, or should be, considered very high on that list.

    I think you know that I do not agree with the liberal who opined that the woman being raped has no right to kill her rapist. Of course she does.

    There is a profound difference between a woman using deadly force to protect herself from a rapist during the act of the rape and the father of a 15 year old murdering the priest who, with the consent of the 15 year old, touched his penis, where the father learns of the consensual penis touching days or weeks later and takes the time to plan the murder of the priest.

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  73. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Well Mike, I suspect that a lot of it has to do with our respective notions of what consent means when it’s offered by your typical fifteen year old boy.

    I also agree that the higher the position of trust, the greater is the betrayal, though I would not necessarily agree, per se, that a homosexual priest is, or should be, considered very high on that list.

    Here again, we’d just have to agree to disagree, because for me, a priest would be pretty much at the very top of my list.

    I can’t even imagine, (other than the pope himself) whom I would put higher.

    Denis Hastert nor Jerry Sandusky nor Jimmy Savile, ever to my knowledge, used God Himself as their moral authority for child rape, (or simple molestation)

    a vicious beating. But not murder.

    Well, I wouldn’t call it murder. I’d call it justifiable homicide.

    For me there are things that are sacrosanct. And nothing’s more sacrosanct than the well-being of children. Especially when they’re entrusted to a trusted adult for protection and supervision.

    A fifteen year old is not a five year old, but he’s not twenty five either. He’s mostly a boy, and susceptible to manipulation by clever and cunning adults. Especially if they’re considered beyond reproach and authoritative figures.

    If it was a fellow teenager, and the two boys were confused about their sexuality, and experimenting, then I’d have no problem.

    But when you talk about a fifteen year old consenting to an authority figure adult, I don’t consider that consent, in its usual meaning. To consent, you have to be mature, and understand exactly what it is that you’re consenting to, without undue pressures and fears of retribution. Unless the boy was a full-blown homosexual, (which I suppose is possible but I doubt) then there’s just no way in a million years that a normal, straight fifteen year old boy would willingly want a man to fondle his junk. Which, from your account, the boy wasn’t ‘good’ with it.

    Should the priest get prison time for touching a teen’s pee-pee? Yea, I’d think so. Some things are sacrosanct, and a child’s, (even a teen’s) private parts qualify in the context of an adult’s sexual amusement. IMHO.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  74. Thank you, as always, for your thoughtful and reasoned posts.

    Yes, I agree that the 15 year old’s consent is not the same as a 25 year old’s consent.

    In my own case, at 15, no male authority figure would have been able to secure my consent to fondle my junk, no matter how clever or manipulative he might have been, as, to paraphrase a deceased crooner, I “would have been immune to his consultations.”

    To be sure, my position is, to some extent, rooted in my general antipathy towards the grievance grift, the first, second, third, and fourth wave of feminism, the canonization of victims, and the general snowflakery abounding complemented by blame whitey and the dwindling levels of maturity, self-reliance, and resilience.

    In addition, my position is, to some extent, rooted in my general antipathy towards those who reflexively attack the Catholic church (it goes without saying that you are not in that class) in service of their secondary objective to destroy it in furtherance of their primary goal of destroying western civilization and whitey.

    We differ, not by much, as I think you would agree that we have the same general weltanschauung.

    BTW, it would appear that you are a fan of Key Largo. It is in my top 10 all-time. Nothing like those scenes between Frank McCloud and Johnny Rocco.

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  75. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    In my own case, at 15,

    yea, me too.

    I was an ornery cuss. And had very little use for ‘authority figures’. I was kicked out at sixteen, and had to go live with my older brother.

    I also agree with your well-stated insights into what ails our society. Whiney, crybaby, butt-hurt weeping saps.

    Thanks for noticing I’m not down on the Catholic Church, but I do despise the current pope. (I think because I have such affection for Catholics).

    Nothing like those scenes between Frank McCloud and Johnny Rocco.


    Also it’s worth noting, (since ‘The Jews’ are often criticized), that Lauren Bacall is in my top ten of silver screen babes.

    And since this thread is about to expire, I’ll take the opportunity to expound on that.

  76. @Liberty Mike

    I agree with your comments about muslims, and i am never converting to islam. I wouldn’t allow any known or suspected muslim to settle in our countries, ever.

    But otherwise decent men will indeed turn to islam if so-called Christians keep being as cowardly, indecisive, relativistic, and unwilling to mete out serious punishments to protect our next generation and our culture.

  77. @anarchyst

    I suppose so. Luckily, that is not the choice that we face. We can, and should, reject all three for ourselves and our society: Islam, Judaism, and the corrupted systematically deviant RC church.

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  78. @Liberty Mike

    The Catholic Church has been working overtime to destroy white countries and peoples and western civ for some time now. It takes a yeoman’s effort to even pretend not to know that.

  79. anarchyst says:

    …and the protestants are any better? I think not.
    The Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted but is still the Church that goes back to the beginning of Christianity.
    Every protestant sect “picks and chooses” what part of the bible they concentrate on. From Anglicans to Baptists, to snake handlers, every protestant sect only takes parts of Christianity, not the whole picture.
    The Roman Catholic Church was corrupted with the imposition of the “changes” of the Vatican II Ecumenical Council.

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  80. @anarchyst

    I am not aware of any large, centralized, nationally influential protestant group equivalent to the National conference of Catholic bishops and catholic charities.

    Here is one big problem with the absolutist centralized structure of the catholic church, apart from any (largely pointless or arbitrary) “doctrinal” or “theological” differences:

    Attending a protestant church, people can donate to their church and support their pastors (and crucially for the future of the church, the faith, and our culture: their wives and children) and their local charitable work alone. They need not have any of the money flow up the ladder to an actively white-hating, sexually deviant, immivasion-pushing “authority” in italy, the “archdiocese”, the diocese, or anyone else more remote and unaccountable.

    By contrast, Roman Catholics cannot contribute to their parishes without some of the money — and the power and influence that goes with it — being kicked upstairs to the Vatican’s band of sodomite partiers and traitors — the people diligently funding, enabling, and praising the colonization of europe and the usa by nonchristian noneuropeans, many of whom are indifferent to openly hostile to our peoples.

    Now let’s tackle your gratuitous reference to snake handlers apparently as a way to smear hundreds of millions of protestants generally. It is a low blow, a non sequitur, and says more about you than about protestants generally. Snake handlers, as you well know, constitute an infinitesimal proportion of protestants in the usa or worldwide.

    As for the idiocy and pointlessness of snake handling or purporting to speak in tongues, take an honest look through the bible and tell me you don’t find anything Asininely nonsensical, perverse and disgusting presented in a positive or nonjudgmental light (e.g. Psalms 137:9 where the inbred Jews express their wish to happily gnash the heads of the enemy’s infants against rocks, or Genesis where women knowingly have sex with their drunk father twice and bear his children without absolutely no condemnation, so sickening it is hard to even repeat it). I guess you are “picking and choosing” what you like from the bible, huh.

    Yeah, that tiny cadre of snake handling protestants are really the problem — not the tens of thousands of sodomite RC priests, not the active daily efforts of the RCC to dispossess and subjugate european peoples in europe and north america, not the raft of absurdities and atrocities praised in “the” bible.

    • Troll: Corvinus
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  81. anarchyst says:

    You make some good points. You are correct in your description of the Catholic Church having a “top down” hierarchy” and as such removing much of the responsibility for Church operation and control away from the laity.
    It was a mistake for the Catholic Church to adopt the old testament. When it comes to Catholicism, the Church should have rejected the old testament as it contains nothing but descriptions of a vengeful “god” in which pillage, slaughter, and the decimation of entire societies was condoned by this vengeful “god”.
    The “god” of judaism is a vengeful “god”, always seeking ways to keep “the chosen” in line, and who was not so successful after all, his “people” constantly transgressing despite punishments being exacted..
    Contrast that with the “God” of Christianity…not a vengeful God but a merciful God, aware of human failings and shortcomings, and offering forgiveness for those who truly repent their sins.
    Both Protestantism and Catholicism have adopted some of the seedier aspects of judaism, among them, absolving the jews of responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did much to destroy important critical components of Catholicism, deferring to judaism.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  82. MichBr8 says:

    In the books of Kings in the Old Testament, it says that the generation that performs a sinful act should be punished but not the generation before or after. In today’s Gospel, Peter is rebuked by Jesus for saying that Jesus should not go to Jerusalem where he predicted he would be killed. Jesus didn’t say even to kill those who killed him. He said to take up your cross and follow him. It is up to the Son of Man when he returns to judge others for their faith (or lack of it) not us.

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