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“America refuses to address the pervasive evil of white cops killing black men, and I will not stand during a national anthem that honors the flag of such a country!”

That is the message Colin Kaepernick sent by “taking a knee” during the singing of “The Star Spangled Banner” before San Francisco ’49s games in 2016. No NFL owner picked up his contract in 2017. But a few players began to copy Colin and to “take a knee.”

Friday night in Alabama, President Trump raged that any NFL player who disrespects Old Glory is a “son of a b—h” who ought to be kicked off the field and fired by his team’s owner. And if the owners refuse to do their patriotic duty, the fans should take a walk on the NFL.

And so the stage was set for NFL Sunday.

Two hundred players, almost all black, knelt or sat during the national anthem. The Patriots’ Tom Brady stood in respect for the flag, while locking arms in solidarity with kneeling teammates.

The Pittsburgh Steelers coach kept his team in the locker room. Steeler Alejandro Villanueva, an ex-Army Ranger and combat vet, came out and stood erect and alone on the field.

For NFL players, coaches, commentators, owners and fans, it was an uncomfortable and sad day. And it is not going to get any better. Sundays with the NFL, as a day of family and friends, rest and respite from the name-calling nastiness of American politics, is over.

The culture war has come to the NFL. And Trump will be proven right. Having most players stand respectfully during the national anthem, while locking arms with other players sitting or kneeling in disrespect of the flag, is a practice the NFL cannot sustain.

The mega-millionaire and billionaire owners of NFL franchises are going to have to come down off the fence and take a stand.

The issue is not the First Amendment. It is not whether players have a right to air their views about what cops did to Michael Brown in Ferguson, or Eric Garner in Staten Island, or Freddie Gray in Baltimore. Players have a right to speak, march in protest, or even burn the flag.

The question NFL owners are going to have to answer soon with a definitive “yes” or “no” is this: Do players, before games, have a right, as a form of protest, to dishonor and disrespect the flag of the United States and the republic for which it stands? Or is that intolerable conduct that the NFL will punish?

Trump is taking a beating from owners, players and press for being “divisive.” But he did not start this fight or divide the country over it.

Kaepernick did, and the players who emulated him, and the coaches and owners who refuse to declare whether insulting the flag is now permissible behavior in the NFL.


As Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Sunday, team owners and Commissioner Roger Goodell have strict rules for NFL games. No NASCAR-type ads on uniforms. Restrictions on end-zone dances. All shirttails tucked in. Certain behavior on the field can call forth 15-yard penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct, or even expulsion from the game.

Our Supreme Court has denied coaches of public high school teams the right to gather players for voluntary prayer before games. Why not an NFL rule requiring players to stand respectfully silent during the national anthem, and, if they refuse, suspend them from play for that day?

Or will the NFL permit indefinite disrespect for the flag of the United States for vastly privileged players whose salaries put them in the top 1 percent of Americans?

If watching players take a knee on the gridiron before every game, in insult to the flag, is what fans can expect every week, Trump again is right: The NFL fan base will dissipate.

Sunday’s game exposed a clash of loyalties in the hearts of NFL players. Do black players stand in solidarity with Kaepernick? Do white players stand beside black teammates, if that means standing with them as they disrespect the flag under which hundreds of thousands of our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines have died?

This conflict in loyalties among NFL players mirrors that of our country, as America divides and our society disintegrates over issues of morality, patriotism, race and culture.

We have been here before. At the Mexico City Olympics of 1968, gold and bronze medal-winning sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos each raised a black-gloved fist as a sign of solidarity with Black America, and not the nation they were sent to represent.

A month later, America elected Richard Nixon.

In terms of fame and fortune, no professions have proven more rewarding for young black American males than the NFL and the NBA.

Whether they soil their nest is, in the last analysis, up to them.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. I’m stealing a line from Fred Reed: “Trump didn’t cause the divisions in this country. It caused Trump.” The NFL situation is yet another example of the deepening (and probably irreconcilable) division in the United States.

  2. Pat .. call it what you will. But wrapping this one in Old Glory Pat is a further insult to moms everywhere. Full stop. PS: the Fire & Fury talk should be fair warning to the IOC for naming an alternate Winter Olympics site/s out of South Korea.

  3. What is NFL? It is Negroes F*** Lilies(lily white girls).

    Why would anyone want to associate such a game with Americanism? It is total cuckery. Black athletes beat white boys who are reduced to bench-warmers and waterboys, and the blacks hump white women and colonize white wombs.

    THAT should be why whites should tune out of football.

    Also, I totally support Negroes acting uppity and crap. Why should blacks respect White America that cucks out to them? Would wolves respect servile dogs? Imagine wolves that beat up male dogs and hump female dogs. Would these wolves feel any respect for Dog Patriotism?

    In the past, blacks feared white folks and even hated white folks. But they felt respect for white folks because whites were proud and fearsome. IF blacks got out of line, whites got together and kicked black ass and even hung some from trees. Blacks thought, “white boys be badass and shi*”. So, blacks tried prove that they are worthy to live up to white standards.

    But once Western culture got junglized and whites worshiped everything black, blacks see white boys as cuck maggots and see white women as their plaything. They are rapping bling thugs and don’t give a shi* about some Old Glory crap.

    Sports is about biological discrimination. It favors blacks because they have more fast-twitch muscles, more aggression, denser bones, and more rhythm.

    What whites need is a White League. Whites should say NFL and NBA are biologically discriminatory and whites simply cannot compete with blacks. So, whites need their own sports leagues just like other non-blacks need their own sports to get to play.

    Negroes had Negro League in the past due to social discrimination.

    Now, whites need White League due to biological discrimination.
    Biology says ‘No whites allowed in running back positions’.

    Also, why do we need anthem before sports games? Are there anthems before operas, rock concerts, theatre, classical concerts, and etc?

    I haven’t seen football since the late 80s. Any whitey who still watches that stuff is a cucky wuck.

  4. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Heckuva job, Spiro.

  5. The Scalpel says: • Website

    What if I said I wanted to kneel in respect of the flag? Would kneeling be OK then? What if due to my Christian beliefs “Thou Shalt have no other God….” I refuse to pledge allegiance to the flag or take part in any of that pomp and ceremony? Can I kneel then, or sit, or walk away? Or is the “God” of nationalism the more important one?

    What if I simply do not believe that a brightly colored piece of fabric means anything, anything at all? I just don’t believe it. It is bullshit brainwashing. Why is that belief inferior to anyone elses belief? If I work and pay taxes and support my fellow man why must I make empty gestures of respect to a soldier who died illegally invading a foreign country under false pretenses?

    What if I believe that dissent IS patriotic, and that I am demonstrating to the world that I live in a truly free country by publicly dissenting without fear of persecution based solely on my beliefs?

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  6. This conflict in loyalties among NFL players mirrors that of our country, as America divides and our society disintegrates over issues of morality, patriotism, race and culture.

    Well, there’s the rub, isn’t it. Kaepernick was simply saying, “That flag represents a government that doesn’t represent “my” people, indeed, a government that attacks “my” people, so why should I stand in respect for it.”

    While I disagree with his assertion (the U.S. government coddles blacks like no other group), I agree with his feeling that the U.S. government doesn’t represent “my” people. For me, the flag is a symbol of a country that once was but is quickly dying.

    I no longer look at myself as an American but as a European American. The U.S. government is no longer “my” government but a coalition government of various groups. I respect it only in the sense that this government has physical authority over me and my people; however, it has no moral authority.

    So as you see, Kaepernick and I are more or less on the same page in many ways. We both no longer see the United States as “our” country. We just live here with “our” people.

  7. KenH says:

    The NFL says they are respecting the first amendment rights of its Bantu players in their taking a knee over alleged widespread and ongoing white police brutality against black men (more whites are shot and killed by police than blacks). White players should put the NFL to the test and see how the NFL responds if they took a knee to protest the disproportionate black on white rape and violent crime statistics.

  8. It’s all gone exactly as it was meant to. Blacks were handed the NFL, and they did to the game what they do to everything-they ruined it. Sloppy play, embarrassing, disgusting, “spontaneous celebrations”, the eternal search for the great black quarterback…Now? They openly spit on the flag, our country (what’s left of it), and white people, and…whites STILL watch and worship?? No one can claim to have even a shred of self respect, if they continue to watch this garbage. Yet the stands are full of “patriots”, who respect D’install-shitavious’ mad skillz, and purchase his jersey for their wives to wear. Whites are doomed. They can’t even stop watching football. Pathetic cucks…

  9. Giuseppe says:

    For NFL players, coaches, commentators, owners and fans, it was an uncomfortable and sad day. And it is not going to get any better. Sundays with the NFL, as a day of family and friends, rest and respite from the name-calling nastiness of American politics, is over

    There are two entities laying claim to the designation America. The first is a Republic, the America of the Constitution. It rightly commands our patriotic love. This first and precious America, and the Constitution have been supplanted by an alien presence, an America born not of the Constitution, but rather an Evil Empire, an excrescence of the national security state.

    In the dying days of the Republic, and it has been a long slow death, a custom began as a natural expression of patriotism to sing the national anthem at the beginning of sporting events. However, as the national security state and the Empire usurped control over the geographic dimensions of the United States, it has also attempted to usurp the patriotic love of ordinary Americans, a patriotism it is not entitled to, being an extraconstitutional, alien occupying force superimposed on the old Republic. This has resulted in a conflation of the two in the minds of most.

    This confusion of the two Americas is by design, and is necessary. The Empire is loved only by the ruling elites, there is little in a national security state to engender feelings of patriotic love in and of itself. This America gave us militarism, American exceptionalusm, and unending war. It gave surveillance of its citizenry, reading its emails, listening to its phone calls, tracking its citizens by GPS and surreptitiously creating a system of virtual national identity cards complete with biometrics. The soldiers from its many wars returned home, many joining civilian police forces where they brought military weapons and tactics to neighborhoods.

    With time, the production surrounding the singing of the national anthem at the beginning of sporting events grew ever more ornate. Military color guards, enormous national flags and fireworks were added. The Empire needed this pageantry to veil itself in the trappings of the Republic, as a recruitment tool, to keep the soldiers coming. The Republic had no need of this empty show, because people simply loved their country, their Republic. They would even die for it. And some still do, not recognizing the important change that has taken place.

    Patrick Buchanan, you have been writing about these things for a long time. I don’t have to tell you the Republic is dead and the Empire is alive and well. I shouldn’t have to tell you that the faux patriotism at sporting events is a kind of secular worship of the Empire. I shouldn’t have to tell you that anytime anyone refuses to worship the Empire at sporting events for any reason, that’s a good thing.

    • Replies: @Ash
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @Krollchem
  10. Who is really to blame for this? The negro players acting out? The Jews fomenting their poor behaviour?

    No. Both are acting according to their eternal traits.

    The problem here isn’t the on field antics of the negro; it’s the cucked whites who enable and encourage this behaviour by continuing to support the NFL and NBA.

    I hope next Sunday this continues to escalate. Let the cucks wallow in their own feebleness.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  11. Pat,

    I don’t agree.

    The “requirement”, either contractual or moral to honor national symbols of something one might find reprehensible, as in this case, is the connivance of forced, false patriotism from citizens who may not feel particularly patriotic for a variety of reasons. As such, it’s an infringement on their 1st Amendment rights of free speech which they in no way forfeit just because they’re football players engaged in national sports leagues.

    After the lies that got us into Vietnam and Iraq I no longer stand or place my hand over my heart or murmur the words of the national anthem at sporting events either. I learned that I could simultaneously and profoundly love my country and its people without succumbing to forced and unfeeling displays of false patriotism to a Federal government that I hold in contempt.

    However, I’m a Texan. I have no problem with honoring my state and its government.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  12. I have always thought the flag should be retired from professional sports. So I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m surprised the owners are willing to bite the hand that feeds them for the sake of PC. I can understand it with CNN and Disney but the NFL? We all know the protests are aimed at Trump AND HIS SUPPORTERS. How many NFL fans among the sixty million Trump voters?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  13. epnngg says:

    This has become a heavily politicized wedge issue to neuter anti-establishment sentiments in both parties simultaneously. America has become a corporatist oligarchy and both parties are controlled by the same plutocrats. The goal is not to ensure the victory of one party or another, but to disrupt all anti-establishment sentiment.

    I don’t believe Trump gives a rip about whether anyone stands on, sits on, or burns the American flag, and neither do any of his plutocratic allies! What they care about and always care about is power, and by rallying the masses into a debate along establishment dictated lines, they help ensure they keep that going.

    As a result of Trump’s deliberate inflammatory Tweets, anti-establishment conservatives who have been critical of his healthcare failures and his perpetuation of Obama’s corporatist and interventionist policies are now standing alongside him, angrily shaking their fists at their unpatriotic enemies.

    And as always, the GOP’s pretend opponents on the Left, are doing the exact same thing, rallying the anti-establishment leftists against Trump’s incendiary remarks and hopefully shepherding them into the partisan box they’re meant to remain in.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @bartok
    , @Sowhat
  14. Flavius says:

    The American Flag is not the symbol for the Federal Government or the US Military although both take great pains to wrap themselves in it for the immunities it offers; the Flag is mute and unable to defend itself from their predations.
    The Flag is the enduring symbol for the Nation that harbors us in the exercise of our duties and the enjoyment of our natural rights. It should be respected.
    Perhaps it is time for the Flag and the Nation to dissociate themselves from venues where ignorant oafs act out their fantasies of virtue.
    I, for one, already have.

  15. botazefa says:

    Recognizing it is pointless to comment on Buchanan’s reprint here…

    Refusing to stand for the Star Spangled Banner seems like a weird action to take. Policing is a local/state issue. If cops are behaving badly the blame lies therein.

  16. @The Scalpel

    I am sympathetic to your hostility to the U.S. Government and its endless, useless wars. I am sympathetic to your Jehovah’s-Witnesses-esque desire to refrain from what you might call idolatry.

    However, NFL players, when in uniform at their place of “work”, are not on their own time. They are at “work” for the Man. The Man is the NFL. The NFL operations manual states:

    “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking.”

    They can engage in any politics they wish to outside of their place of employment. I work for a living at a large corporation; I can’t say or do whatever I want at work. Did God make Black ath-uh-letes His special little snowflakes? The ath-uh-letes seem to think their ignorant resentment deserves our respect. It doesn’t. Trump is right: They should be fired.

    You also ignore the deeper questions involved: The Left started attacking Confederate symbols (they won). They quickly moved on to American national symbols (the Anthem). The Left wants to abolish nation-states as now conceived and replace them with a “One World” government, which they (needless to say) will control. Attacking the Anthem is attacking American nationalism; attacking American nationalism is undermining the American nation. Undermining the American nation, and all nations, is their plan and has been for a while.

    Get it?

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  17. I seriously hope this ends in the breakup of the nfl, and that all Americans young and old will from now on hate football, the most shite sport on earth. ‘Sundays with the NFL, as a day of family and friends, rest and respite from the name-calling nastiness of American politics’. More like the most depressing day of the week at the most depressing time of year, sitting isolated in front of the tv during the daytime, cheering on the most popular goons in the school.
    The flag lost any meaning long, long ago–except as a symbol of corporate power, hypocrisy, idiocy.

  18. @Priss Factor

    Any whitey who thinks blacks are better ath-uh-letes than whites is a cucky wuck.

  19. bartok says:

    I don’t believe Trump gives a rip about whether anyone stands on, sits on, or burns the American flag, and neither do any of his plutocratic allies!

    Any evidence for that? Trump has always been instinctively pro-American. See his full-page ads over the years (’80s-’90s): complaining about crime and about trade. After reading Ann Coulter, he put immigration into the mix alongside his fundamental views.

  20. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The NFL (and, for that matter, the other major sports leagues) can stop this thing in it’s tracks right now. How? By ending this ridiculous charade of phony pregame patriotic display, national anthems etc. I’ve never understood why they play the anthem before some dumb ball game anyway. The participants are entertainers–in essence businessmen– who are paid by other businessmen. Both are out to maximize their income. The NFL, NBA etc. are business entities whose business happens to be entertainment. Why the conflation of business with patriotism? To me, “honoring America” before watching guys bash their heads in, sink a basket, hit a ball or a hockey puck while sopping up brewskies and chomping on salty, fattening chips is anything but patriotic.

    Then again, maybe Cal Coolidge was right after all when he said “The business of America is business.”

  21. Football? Seriously? The faux-gladiator circus? Shee-it. It’s all PR BS. No self-respecting man gives two shits what any pack of performing seals does on a field.

    If I recall correctly, until 2008 or so, NFL players didn’t come out on the field to begin the game until after a routine playing of the anthem. In 2009, the US military PR arm offered some $10M+ to the league for a patriotic anthem-display by players. And every year since.


    • Replies: @Rurik
  22. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The NFL is disobeying its own rule book. All players are required by NFL rules to honor their country before each and every game. The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the NFL game operations manual:

    “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

    During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

    The NFL is just another arm of the MMIC complex that keeps America bogged down in endless wars to benefit Wall Street and help Israel steal more land.

  23. Rurik says:

    We all know the protests are aimed at Trump AND HIS SUPPORTERS.

    pure and simple

    I have always maintained that if you could teach some of the rules to Toby, a silverback gorilla, like don’t move until the quarterback says to, and most of all to be somewhat gentle with the human players, that he would basically be able to make a touchdown every time you gave him the ball. He’d just sweep the humans out of his path, being careful not to break their bones in the process, and soon he’d break every record for touchdowns ever made, until other gorillas were allowed to play too, and soon every lineman and ‘running’ back in the NFL would be composed of gorillas.

    And they’d be making Nike commercials and white, NFL fan fathers would be lining up to have their daughters impregnated by Toby!, the Most Valuable Player for that year.

    That’s really how I see it anyways. Our society worships 70 IQ NFL felons

    while it repudiates the intellectual luminaries like James Watson, (who unraveled the riddle of life itself- the DNA molecule) as persona non gratas beneath contempt

    I say we allow silverbacks to play, end discrimination once and for all!

    • Replies: @Truth
  24. You also miss or bypass the essential point which was Kaepernick’s false assertion that white policemen were waging a war of extermination against black yoof. That’s what the players sympathize with when they kneel. That this is illogical and statistically ignorant bullshit is the point that Trump has to hammer home.

    When you say the flag is just a brightly colored bit of cloth you are treating it as a sign, but the flag is a symbol and a symbol’s content is not exhausted by enumerating its attributes. It connotes something. To Kaepernick it means white policemen gunning innocent black teenagers down in cold blood and so he feels justified in disrespecting it. He (and his NFL brethren) have taken too many hits to the head.

    If you are white, then never, never let a black man do the thinking for you. Blacks screw everything up. Just as they have trashed Detroit et al, so too they will trash the NFL. Every major American city they took over was in excellent shape with first world infrastructure. Within one generation they had reAfricanized them.

    When Obama said “You didn’t build that” he was projecting big time. His remark should have been directed at blacks.

    • Agree: SMK
    • Replies: @SMK
  25. “when fascism comes to america it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross” – sinclair lewis
    ole pat is a religico and apparently a flag lover too. is pat a fascist?

    • Replies: @nickels
  26. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Actually, I agree that a private workplace has the right to enforce whatever rules they desire as long as those rules do not infringe on the rights of others. I also agree that free private individuals should not sell out their conscience or soul simply for money. I do not believe that your corporation requires you to take some sort of oath of allegiance to some meaningless totem every day before you start work. If your corporation did require that, your corporation might find it difficult to attract and retain intelligent creative employees.

    In this particular case, however, the NFL is not purely a private corporation. There are many ways the public money supports this endeavor. Without splitting hairs, I would say that I support individuals who refuse to violate their conscience. If that refusal involves kneeling or not showing up or some other form of expression, what does it matter? What does it really hurt? It is just a symbol. It is just a symbol like the flag is just a symbol. It is not a real thing. It is just a symbol like singing a song such as the “national anthem” is just a symbol. An exception might be made if this song was so terrible that it caused physical damage to one’ ears!

    I think it all comes down to this mindset. You believe what I believe or else! We know that is impossible. So the next step is, You act like you believe what I believe and fake it the best you can or else! Even if you don’t believe it, you kill who I say to kill or else! You fire who I say to fire or else! You say what I say you should say or else! You wear what I say you should wear or else!

    That is what it is all coming to. Is that what your work requires of you? Is that what your corporation requires of you? If that is the truth, I say that you should take a knee.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  27. @Priss Factor

    My agreement is for your last two sentences. Dump the damn NFL and NBA from your lives already, and cut them off from your hard earned money and your precious time.

    My suggestion for how to allocate all the money now wasted on NFL and NBA:
    50% invest more for retirement or kids college
    25% beer
    25% hockey and baseball tickets

    Adjust according to priorities.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  28. nickels says:
    @Lawrence Fitton

    Well, according to your neo-mccarthy left, quoting a cis hetero white guy like Lewis makes YOU a facist, so what’s your point?
    Of course, Lewis did drink himself to death, so I guess that does make him sort of a lefty saint, eh?

    • Replies: @Lawrence Fitton
  29. One of my biggest observations about this fiasco is how quickly a lot of Whites are to submit to black aggression. Blacks are openly disrespecting Whites with these protests and far too many Whites are like “oh, if only Trump didn’t make an issue of this!” or “It’s a free country! I don’t agree with it but Tyrone can openly insult me to my face.”

    I swear that a certain percentage of Whites will not wake up until they are the victims of violent attacks by blacks and, as we’ve seen elsewhere, even then they might continue their slumber.

  30. Ash says:

    You are absolutely correct. And what they should do is end the jingoistic habit that sports, starting with baseball, picked up during WWII of playing the anthem before the game.

    The old Republic didn’t need such displays. The permanent war Empire we have now does. Buchanan should know this.

  31. Rurik says:

    NBA Coach: ‘White People Especially’ Need To Be Made ‘Uncomfortable’

    “Because you were born white, you have advantages that are systemically, culturally, psychologically there.”

    what about the white people in Iceland? They’ve had no historical contact with blacks, are they still privileged racists too?

    does the evil racism that lurks in white skin only manifest when it’s in proximity to blacks?

    or are all the white people the world over all racists?

  32. Rurik says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith


    that’s what it says on the helmet

  33. @Rurik

    Of course! It’s the Cult of Equality’s Original Sin.

  34. America as beacon of virtue and freedom.

  35. I have a better idea.

    Just get rid of anthems at sports events.

    I mean, do they play anthems before a movie?

    • Replies: @anon
  36. Sometimes the US is a very funny country. Nutty but funny.

    This one takes the cake.

  37. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    They used to play the national anthem here in Canada before movies began in theatres. If I remember correctly they stopped it in the late 1970’s or thereabouts.

  38. nsa says:
    @Priss Factor

    You overlook the obvious homoerotic nature of JungleBall. Millions of soft flabby overweight white males with their ball caps on backwards experience orgasmic delight watching giant afros in tight spandex pants grope each other and perform primitive power rituals. Nothing is more symbolic of the feminization of the American white male than the ubiquitous backwards ball cap…..a practice that started in the gay community signifying a desire to perform a certain sex act where the bill would otherwise get in the way. And of course the Kosher Media and ZioVision are happily mainstreaming homosex as the new normal for whitey……..

  39. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Also, why do we need anthem before sports games? Are there anthems before operas, rock concerts, theatre, classical concerts, and etc?

    no, not the US national anthem before operas.
    But at intermission at a Mozart concert on-stage screens reminded the audience of the Holocaust. no kidding.

    Priss is off base: the NFL thing is not about Blacks — they’re just pawns, the players are being played by their masters. Do you really think those meatheads thought of ‘taking a knee’ all by themselves? that no little Soros birdie whispered in their helmet mike? The game is to tear down the US flag, Priss, and replace it with the star of david. Surprised you didn’t figure that out.

    • Replies: @Truth
  40. @Eustace Tilley (not)

    bears repeating —

    You also ignore the deeper questions involved: The Left started attacking Confederate symbols (they won). They quickly moved on to American national symbols (the Anthem). The Left wants to abolish nation-states as now conceived and replace them with a “One World” government, which they (needless to say) will control. Attacking the Anthem is attacking American nationalism; attacking American nationalism is undermining the American nation. Undermining the American nation, and all nations, is their plan and has been for a while.

    Get it?

  41. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    screw the football game

    tailgating is what it’s really all about

    for the price of a ticket you can by a keg of beer and enough cheetos to expand your gut from here until next sunday

    Remember thou keep holy the lord’s day

  42. @The Scalpel

    You are an intelligent and thoughtful person; you deserve an intelligent and thoughtful response to your thesis. I’ll try my best.

    My workplace doesn’t require me to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag, but I dare not compliment Ms. So-and-So on her new dress (even in an innocent fashion); that may be dangerous. I dare not speak my true political opinions to any but a few trusted co-workers. There is an unspoken “code” in America that we flout at our personal peril. I need to pay my taxes.

    Those who oppose the State are often “right”: In American history, we have the examples of Thoreau and Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King and so many others to look up to. Libertarians have a point when they say that the Government is often despotic and venal. It must, on occasion, be stood up to by individuals of conscience.

    But Thoreau went to jail rather than pay his poll tax, and didn’t whine about it, but accepted it cheerfully. Emerson asked, “Henry David, what are you doing in there?” To which Thoreau replied, “What are you doing out there?” A fair question!

    Did you see the film Gandhi? Gandhi told the British: “I am guilty! Arrest me!” Those who would oppose the State must be made “of sterner stuff” than the entitled crybaby millionaires in the Nanocephalic Fools’ League.

    Take your stand and pay the price. That is an honored, and even essential, part of the civil disobedience tradition.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @The Scalpel
  43. @nsa

    Go back a few years when whites dominated NFL rosters. Would you contend that football was homoerotic in those days?

    • Replies: @Truth
  44. Rurik says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    yes, the Scalpel is an intelligent and thoughtful person, and here’s a video of Jessie Ventura basically agreeing with the Scalpel’s point, (as do I)

    my point isn’t that protesting our government isn’t a noble thing to do, especially as our government is so notoriously ignoble

    but rather the pampered millionaire’s reason for doing so egregiously, fundamentally flawed

    here’s a video of a (white) man being tortured and murdered by a uniformed goon

    the murderer was acquitted by jury, and went on to explain how she was the real victim here

    here’s another one where the guy is murdered by cop, and as he breathing his last breaths of life, rather than being treated with kindness, (especially since it was obvious all he had in his hands were brake pads), the thugs throttle and manhandle the dying victim, as if doing so will make him seem more dangerous.

    more white guys are shot by cops than black men in this country, but there is virtually not one word protest from the football players for these victims, because they’re not black.

    so the stench of racism pervades and permeates this whole stinking charade, to the point of absurdity

    and if these precious snowflake football players gave a rip about American uniformed thugs butchering innocent people, then their protest would be over the serial wars based on lies that have cost the lives of millions.

    but then that doesn’t play into their self-serving mantra of the perpetual victimhood of black celebrity millionaires

    fuck those pampered, precious, racist millionaires

    Jessie is right, they have every right to protest, and we have every right to stop watching

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  45. SMK says: • Website

    Keapernick didn’t kneel during the NA after George Zimmerman (who is 1/4 black and 1/4 Amerindian but was described as “white” by the MSM) shot and killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense. Or after Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in self defense in Ferguson, MO. He began his BLM protest after a black male cop in Milwaukee (the city in which he emerged from the womb of his white mother) shot and killed a black male thug who resisted arrest and was pointing a gun at him. Ironically, the manifestly justified shooting of a black thug by a black cop is what compelled him to kneel during the NA to protest the right of police to shoot and kill black criminals in self-defense so as not to be murdered or gravely injured.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @bjondo
    , @Truth
  46. @Longfisher

    The First Amendment restricts the authority of government, not private actors.

    As for Texas, I think it’s wonderful, but it will also soon be controlled by Mexicans, and that is terribly sad and unnecessary. It will be hard to feel allegiance or affection towards that regime.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  47. @RadicalCenter

    Is the NFL truly a private actor?

    Look at the number of stadia that have been constructed and / or refurbished on the taxpayer’s dime. Over the years, it has amounted to 10 figures.

    Next, look at the money that has been expended in connection with infrastructure “improvements” in and around stadia.

    Next, how about the anti-trust exemption the NFL long enjoyed?

    The First Amendment also applies to all crony-capitalist faux patriotic jingoistic organizations, irrespective of their putative “private” status.

  48. @Rurik

    You have just captured this paleo-libertarian’s sentiments.

  49. Rurik says:

    shooting of a black thug by a black cop is what compelled him to kneel


    a black cop shooting a black thug is a non-event

    sort of like a black thug shooting a black thug, or a white cop shooting a white man or boy

    the only thing that motivates these racial supremacists is pure, raw race-hate

    “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. …”

    on September 1, 2016, Kaepernick opted to kneel during the U.S. national anthem rather than sit as he did in their previous games.

    it was in the fall of 2016 that Donald Trump’s presidential campaign was collecting steam

    this was the man who had doubted the black messiah Obama’s citizenship

    this whole idiotic farce is fueled by butt-hurt racists who can’t stand to see an unapologetic white man (who mocked the black messiah) as their leader


    • Replies: @SMK
  50. bjondo says:

    Think the Zimmerman part is a gift from george’s jew judge dad.

    A high per cent of NFL owners are Jew.

    They should kiss Old Glory since OG is doing the killing and dying and destroying for their first loyalty – Israel.

    • Replies: @Truth
  51. Truth says:

    Alright guys, as much as I love visiting you in sapworld for an hour a day or so, maybe its time you joined me back in realworld?

  52. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor

    Prissy, Y So Serious?

    This whole thing has you down, as with a lot of people, I get it. I just never really got, well, why you were concerned with Knee-grows colonizing white wombs. Homosexual Knee-grows colonizing white spincters, well I would get the anger from you.

    In any event, I think that you should find common ground with your ebony hued homo-sapiens and find a leisure activity in which you could share commonality.

    I thought hard about your strengths; a literary flair and an apparent desire to have your feeling heard and I though about the perfect unitive hobby.

    You should join your compadres in writing a verse toward something you each cherish, write out a minute of lines, take our your cellphone and take the FTD challenge Priss, you’ll enjoy it!

  53. Truth says:

    They don’t understand English which would make snap count fidelity difficult if not impossible for playing the line, nor do they have opposable thumbs which pretty much rules out skill positions on offense. They run fast but their dense musculature in the legs makes moving side to side slow and ponderous, that would probably rule out defensive secondary, that leaves LB, which would be difficult in the modern linebackers have to read the offense and decide whether to blitz drop into coverage, roam the line to shadow a running back or QB, or cover a receiver one on one, without fouling him. Gorillas would have a very difficult time learning even a simple defensive scheme, even if they wanted to. So I don’t think your idea would work well.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  54. Truth says:

    Surprised you didn’t figure that out.

    I wouldn’t be.

  55. Truth says:

    Keapernick didn’t kneel during the NA after George Zimmerman (who is 1/4 black and 1/4 Amerindian but was described as “white” by the MSM

    When did you do a DNA test?

    • Replies: @SMK
    , @David In TN
    , @SMK
  56. Truth says:
    @Liberty Mike

    No, he only advocates being a cuck for white guys who are better than he is.

  57. @nickels

    unlike you, i have no ideology – neither political, religious or otherwise.
    ideologues always end up in defense of the indefensible.

  58. SMK says: • Website

    I know this from reading articles, you snotty little smart-ass. His mother is a zambo, a mixture of African and Amerindian.

    • Replies: @Truth
  59. @nsa

    Who knew all those baseball catchers, auto mechanics and shooters were homosexuals?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  60. SMK says: • Website

    I agree with most of what you say. I was noting the ironies of when his protest began and why. It’s possible he thought the cop who shot the black thug was white. And there was rioting by blacks after the shooting. It’s likely most of rioters thought the cop was white, but they would have rioted even if they knew he was black, since a cop of any race shooting and killing a black thug in self-defense is a pretext to loot and burn and vandalize, and they just love to riot and pillage and plunder.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  61. Rurik says:

    they can be made to understand certain English words, just like dogs, and gorillas are much smarter than dogs

    and just as the NFL uses certain races for particular positions, like white for QB, and black for RB, they could simply use gorillas at those positions where they’d be most effective, as in ‘running’ back, (RB). You simply hand Toby the ball, and he wanders down the field, ‘gently’ moving the opposing players out of his way, perhaps flinging them a few dozen feet, being careful not to toss them onto other players or out of bounds onto the TV camera crews.

    Surely they could perform such feats with minimal cognitive effort, as I too used to play high school football, and it really wasn’t all that mentally challenging. The one drawback I would anticipate would be if they got disorientated and started going the wrong way down the field, as Viking defensive end did when he recovered a fumble, seen here wearing 88

    but then they could just position a banana tree or something at the respective goal posts, and I’m sure Toby would be able to navigate just fine. And gorillas are well known for being quite adept at playing with all kinds of balls, they’re naturals at that.

    it’s an idea whose time has come!

    (for the record, I’m not trying to denigrate any race or group of people. I’ve known all kinds, and white folks can be just as stupid and unpleasant as any other race. I just happen to find it beyond pathetic how white men in particular worship athletic prowess to the exclusion of all other virtues. leading to a race to the cultural, moral and intellectual abyss we find here in the good ol’ US of A today)

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  62. @Truth

    If George Zimmerman had been named Roberto Gonzalez, we would have never heard of Trayvon Martin.

  63. Truth says:

    So they say. And you know in exactly what proportion of each she is?

  64. SMK says: • Website

    My point is that GZ is nonwhite, whatever his exact DNA, but was described as “white” in the MSM and by blacks and left/liberals to demonize whites for political and ideological reasons.

    • Replies: @Truth
  65. Truth says:

    Think the Zimmerman part is a gift from george’s jew judge dad.

    Nope, just a plain ole whitey.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  66. Ben Frank says:

    How insane that people are protesting against police while black men continue mass killings of whites.

    “On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.”

    Since 2016 in Kansas City, Missouri, Fredrick Demond Scott apparently murdered 5 older white men, usually with a bullet to the back of the head.

    “On April 18, 2017, a shooting spree occurred in Fresno, California, leaving three men dead. The prime suspect, identified as Kori Ali Muhammad … motivated by racial hatred directed towards white people”

    Emanuel Kidega Samson killed one and wounded 6 others in a Nashville, Tennessee church 9/24/17.

    and on and on…

  67. Rurik says:

    since a cop of any race shooting and killing a black thug in self-defense is a pretext to loot and burn and vandalize,

    yes, that’s true of course, as in the case of Freddie Gray, the cop most responsible for his death was the driver of the police van- was black, who gave him a ‘rough ride’, even tho the poor dude had a broken spine.

    That was one for me that I wished all the cops responsible would have gotten harsh punishment, because the guy was screaming in agony when they put him in the van, obviously unable to walk. And he should have been taken by an ambulance, but instead they put him in that steel van and didn’t even restrain him, but tortured him almost to death, where he then died in the hospital.

    but since the cop most responsible for his death was black, it didn’t resonate with the media, and they were all acquitted

    The problems as I see it is that there is too much militarization of the cops, and a general unaccountability, and the PTB likes that, because they want protection from the people (of all races) who they’re fucking over so infamously. The occupy Wall Street and the BLM and the Bundy protests and Charlottesville and all of us that aren’t in the .01%, (including the cops), should direct our anger at the .01% who’re fucking us all over. But ((they)) know how to divide and conquer, and they’re good at it, so we get what we see today. While poor and working class blacks are set against poor and working class whites, as the cops follow orders and the .01% upgrades their Gulfstream to the latest model.

    • Thanks: Gore 2004
    • Replies: @Sowhat
  68. White athletes should do White Lives Matter protests.

    Black-on-White crime VASTLY EXCEEDS what these dindus are whining about:
    — (… ]
    And most of these crimes would be national news if (IF!) they were White-on-Black crimes.

    We’re not supposed to notice the (((media’s))) blatant White genocide agenda.

  69. bjondo says:


    not sure tablet worth piss. sorta like wikipedia – not worth piss.

    shame though.

    zimmerman makes a fine neocon (jews with jew pets).

    he is insane, violent, nuts, crazy, aggressive, did i say violent.

  70. Truth says:

    Yes SMK, I know what your point is, you do not know what mine is. If GZ had shot a white man his black heritage would come forefront in your mind even if you didn’t know he had any (the black part made him do it!) If he invented a cure for cancer the white part would predominate (“you know his dad is a German, right?”, Zimmeman, that’s where he got his smarts). If he starts porking your sister he is definitely not a white man, if he stands for attention at the national anthem while the Knee-grows are kneeling, his skin gets ten shades whiter.

    Bottom line #1, there are 4 races in this county; black, white, rich and “other” and white people tend to make others slide along the black-white dileniation line whenever it suits them.

    Bottom line #2, unless you blindly believe what the media tells you, you have no idea of George Zimmerman’s heritage. They TOLD YOU what his mother and father were, you accepted it. You do not know this man or anything about him. You see Old Sport, you can choose to question the media, or not, but taking the media at face value only when it suits you, is the domain of imbeciles.

    Bottom Line #3. Zimmerman (or whatever the actor’s name is) didn’t shoot anyone. OJ didn’t kill anyone, Jon Benet Ramsey didn’t die, they are all skits, but lets work on our A-B-C’s before we get into thermodynamics…

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  71. I am not troubled by Mr. Trump “calling out” the NFL. I am not much troubled by the “passive resistance” shown by NFL players. It is going as it should, fans are boycotting.
    I do fear backlash. Recall Pres. Wilson’s Sedition Act of 1917. You could, and many were, arrested for voicing questions about entering WWI. The conductor of the Boston Symphony was arrested and jailed for not playing the Star Spangled Banner. The American Protective League as formed and “citizen’s arrests” encouraged. People were tarred and feathered. Compare the anti war rallies of the 60’s.

  72. @Chris Mallory

    Not to mention surveyors and guys who go fast in open boats and such.

  73. yeah says:

    Every day, in every way, America grows more and more stupid. And more hateful. And more divided, confused, spiteful. Silliness grows, strange delusions and obsessions take hold; phobias and fears come to rule.

    To kneel or not; to have the anthem ceremony at games or not; to address women as ladies or not (oops, even “ladies” is politically incorrect); to have separate washrooms for different sexes or not; are we to be men and women (gender prejudice, pardon me) or not; should we bomb country X or not; can we nuke them or not; should these statues be knocked down or not; should looting and burning of property be accepted or not; were we always so stupid or not.

    In normal times, in normal countries, none of this silliness could have come to pass – it would simply have been laughed away. But pity, this has become the content of America, its politics, its media.

  74. @Giuseppe

    A very thoughtful and worthwhile comment! As a pup I remember when British people used to stand for their anthem (God save the Queen, FFS) at cinemas. Ugh!

  75. Corvinus says:

    “Dump the damn NFL and NBA from your lives already, and cut them off from your hard earned money and your precious time.”

    Feel free to follow your own advice. The rest of us real men will continue to watch the games, buy merchandise, and play fantasy leagues.

    • LOL: Truth
  76. Krollchem says:

    Excellent points!

    Also surprising that no talking head has ever actually read the lines of the racist US National Anthem

    “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:

    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

    If this were the only issue the “Star Spangled Banner” could be replaced by “America the Beautiful” if that were still true.

    Unfortunately, the majority of American people love violence against others, especially those who defy the Empire. This is the danger of worshiping the flag and the military. It reminds me of the flag marches under the Hitler regime.

    Speaking of violence, it is best that football goes away due to its hyper violence and massive numbers of brain and other injuries. Then again American is a nation of addicts and would just turn to another drug, if they haven’t already.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  77. @Rurik

    Jim Marshall, No. 70, ran the wrong way into the end zone against the SF 49ers, in a game in 1964. In the picture, he is the one with his helmet on, second from the left.

    No. 88 is Alan Page, Notre Dame grad, and former chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court.

    The four pictured were the “purple people eaters”.

    In this case, yes, the white guy, was no where near as good as his three black teammates. Both Page and No. 81, Carl Eller, are in the HOF. Marshall, imo, should be as well. He held the record for most consecutive starts in NFL history before Brett Favre surpassed him.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  78. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    wow Liberty Mike, thanks for the corrections

    I guess that’s what I get for not paying attention to professional sports enough

    btw, I checked and Alan Page was actually an Associate Justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, but it seems a minor point.

    clearly he was a thinker

    this part always bothers me, when they create foundations only for children or people of color, as if there are no poor white kids out there. How would our society feel if white people created foundations to help only white children?

    In 1988 Page and his wife Diane founded the Page Education Foundation. The Foundation provides much-needed financial and mentoring assistance to students of color

    anyways, thanks for the corrections

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  79. Flat Cat says:

    The simple fact that a bunch of well paid football players are refusing to worship the national idol has become the big story of the day fills me with wicked glee. I can’t wait for Fred Reed to come back from vacation. This is absolute gold.

    The herd will always find distraction, and in the meantime the wars, looting, and other depredations of the state gang will go on unabated. Trump was elected because people (mistakenly) believed he would use his bombastic and forceful personality to accomplish some real change in US national policy. He ran on building a wall on the southern border, pulling the US military out of protracted, useless foreign conflicts, and repealing the ACA.

    He’s done none of this. In fact, he’s committed more troops to old wars and opened up new ones while backing down on the wall and compromising his position on the ACA to the point where there is no chance it will ever really be eliminated.

    But, boy, can he tweet up a storm about football players kneeling on a field.

    And the Conservatives will defend him to their last breath. Just as the Liberals did for Obama long after he’d betrayed so many of the promises he made to them in order to get elected. That is probably the greatest similarity between Conservatives and Liberals (you know, aside from being mirror images of each other). They stand by their man. Always, and no matter what.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Rurik
  80. Hey NFL, give every faction their due.

    First raise an American flag for the pro-military people.

    Second raise a communist flag for the Afro victim cultist.

    Third raise a Gadsden flag for the pro-constitution people.

    You’ll then have covered all the important factions.

    • Replies: @nsa
  81. @Rurik

    Sorry for being pedantic.

    I have lots of what many would regard as useless sports info / trivia. It tends to aggravate those who are close to me whereas at some social occasion meeting new people, like a wedding or some party, it tends to amuse.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  82. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Flat Cat

    Thank you. Well worth wading through the serial commenters who end up hijacking most threads with their various obsessions by about #50.

  83. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    not at all L Mike,

    I was intrigued by your information


  84. Rurik says:
    @Flat Cat

    That is probably the greatest similarity between Conservatives and Liberals (you know, aside from being mirror images of each other). They stand by their man.

    it isn’t about the man, it’s about the policies

    and if you’d been paying attention, you’d know that repealing the AMA and building the wall are things Trump has been trying to get done, but he’s been thwarted at every point by the cuckservatives entrenched in the GOP swamp. Duh

    the important thing is that Trump has ended the CIA funding and arming of ISIS, which has allowed Putin and Assad to prevail over those orcs

    that is policy

    also the appointment of Justice Gorsuch to the Supreme Court

    that is policy

    slowing down the invasion of this nation by hostile Third World freeloaders and criminals is also huge

    as far as the football distraction, it’s more of the same Marxist, cultural rot that blames every failure of blacks- on white racism, thereby creating divisions in society that the .01% use to distract the sheople from the serial theft and disenfranchisement of the middle and working classes (of all races) from their earnings, as their jobs are in and outsourced by that same .01%. Another trend that Donald Trump is trying to change.

    but I do share your ‘wicked glee’ at watching the pampered millionaire players and billionaire owners get punked by Trump, as their protests are a direct accusation of the football fans, (overwhelmingly white American men) as irredeemably racist because they don’t support the overtly racist agenda of BLM.

    It will be more than satisfying to watch those same billionaire owners looking at horror at their dwindling fan base and missing earning$.

    Wicked glee indeed! 😉

  85. Sowhat says:

    I agree. So does Jimmy 1min 27 sec video:

    Largest advertiser for NFL is U.S. Military (IIC)

  86. Sowhat says:

    Cops will almost NEVER BE prosecuted for injustice. They never have been. The history of policing in the U.S. started with business owners attempting to break unions from organizing,using THEIR paid thugs. It has morphed but only a little. The F.O.P. gets no money from me.

    • Agree: Gore 2004
  87. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I agree with your post completely. Each man has his own limits on what he will tolerate and the risks he is willing to take. I do believe that one must choose his battles.

  88. @Krollchem

    The two lines you quote have nothing to do with racism. And it’s not only “talking heads” that haven’t read those lines; almost no Americans have either. They are never sung at all, at least not in my experience. Thanks for googling them and pointing them out to us.

    “Unfortunately, the majority of American people love violence against others,…” Ever consider the question of whether it isn’t you who is the racist?

    As for “the flag marches under the Hitler regime”, you should take a look at what a pathetic country Germany is now. You Germans just can’t seem to heed the advice of the Greeks and Romans and follow the aurea mediocrita. I suppose some historians are right in maintaining that one of the greatest tragedies in history is that the Romans never conquered the Germans.

    The American flag was fine with the Nicewhites in Europe when Martin Luther King was marching behind it. It seems to be that Old Glory is the ultimate political Rorschach test: A Black Lives Matter resentnik sees White Oppression, a Black WWII veteran sees the Four Freedoms, a Nicewhite German sees American Imperial Violence.

    When I was a schoolboy, I learned another patriotic song:

    O, this is the flag of our country,
    The flag of the red, white, and blue:
    The red says be brave, the white says be pure,
    The blue tells us to be true.

    That’s not so much what I see as what I feel when I stand for the Anthem. I hope that doesn’t make me an S.A. man in your eyes.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  89. Hibernian says:

    Photographs showed very clearly Mr. Zimmerman Sr. was very Northern European and George’s mom was racially mixed.

  90. nsa says:
    @Joe Franklin

    Hell, get it over with and just raise the Rainbow Flag ……..

  91. Krollchem says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    1. Since when does slavery and the killing of escaped slaves not racism?
    2. For proof that Americans love violence against others you just have to see all the flag wavers who come out of the woodwork whenever a US president decides to bomb a nation without a declaration of war. Gladiator sports are another example of the cult of violence in America.
    3. Considering Hitler and the Germany regime today one should recognize that Germany is in charge of the EU with Macron serving as Merkel’s poodle.
    4. Fixation on the flag is like pointing your finger to the moon and confusing your finger for the moon. Flags are only a symbolic rag, it is the Constitution that is important. Unfortunately, schools and all other US institutions do not teach the US constitution but they sure like to wave the flag. If you recall President Bush even called the US Constitution an old rag.
    5. I do not see how a black WWI or WWII veteran came back to America and enjoyed the same freedom as white Americans. If they got too uppity they were hanged!
    6. Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Besides the oligarchs in America are a small club and you are not in it no matter how much you wave the flag.
    7. I understand that you are a Statist but perhaps others will learn about the dangers that I have detailed.

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