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To President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Ukraine, Crimea and the Donbas are national territories whose retrieval justifies all-out war to expel the invading armies of Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

Yet, who controls Crimea and the Donbas has, in the history of U.S.-Russian relations, never been an issue to justify a war between us.

America has never had a vital interest in who rules in Kyiv.

Through the 19th and almost all of the 20th century, Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire or the USSR, ruled from Moscow. And that condition presented no issue of concern to the USA, 5,000 miles away.

For us, the crucial concern in this Ukraine-Russia war is not who ends up in control of Crimea and the Donbas, but that the U.S. not be sucked into a war with Russia that could escalate into a world war and a nuclear war.

That is America’s paramount interest in this crisis.

Nothing in Eastern Europe would justify an all-out U.S. war with Russia. After all, Moscow’s control of Eastern and Central Europe was the situation that existed throughout the Cold War from 1945 to 1989.

And the U.S. never militarily challenged that result of World War II.

We lived with it. When Hungarians rose up in 1956 for freedom and independence, the U.S. refused to intervene. Rather than risk war with Russia, the Hungarian patriots were left to their fate by President Dwight Eisenhower.

How the world has changed in the 21st century.

Today, while the U.S. is under no obligation to go to war for Ukraine, we are obliged, under the NATO treaty, to go to war if Slovakia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia are attacked.

And, though Kyiv is not a member of NATO, the U.S. finds itself the financier and principal armorer of Ukraine in a war with Russia over Crimea and the Donbas, which could involve the use of nuclear weapons for the first time since Nagasaki.

In short, our vital interest — avoidance of a U.S. war with a nuclear-armed Russia — may soon clash with the strategic war goals of Ukraine — i.e., full retrieval of Crimea and the Donbas.

If Putin is serious about an indefinite war to hold Crimea and the Donbas as Russian territory, how far are we willing to go to aid Ukraine in driving the Russians out and taking these lands back?

What appears to be emerging is a situation something like this:

As U.S. weapons help drive Russian soldiers out of the occupied regions of Ukraine, Russia and Putin are being driven into a corner, where the alternatives left to them shrink to two: accept defeat, humiliation and all its consequences, or escalate to hold onto what they have.

At some point, escalation to prevent defeat can require crossing the nuclear threshold. And Putin and his retinue have said as much.

Bottom line: At some point in this conflict, achieving the war aims of Ukraine must force Moscow to consider escalation or accept defeat.

For Russia, the worse the war situation is, the sooner comes the day when Putin must either play his ace of spades to avoid defeat, or accept defeat, humiliation and his potential overthrow in Moscow.

ORDER IT NOW

As Russia’s use of nuclear weapons could lead to a war that could involve the United States, Kyiv’s relentless pursuit of its vital interests — retrieval of all the lands taken by Russia, including the Donbas and Crimea — will eventually imperil vital U.S. interests.

If Kyiv, with U.S. weapons and support, pushes the Russians out of Crimea and the Donbas, Kyiv pushes its war with Russia closer and closer to a nuclear war.

As Kyiv seeks to reconquer all its territory lost to Russia since 2014, it pushes Russia closer and closer toward consideration of the only way to avert defeat and national humiliation, use of tactical nuclear weapons, which means moving closer to war with the United States.

The higher the casualty rates for Putin’s Russia, the worse the defeats inflicted on Russia by U.S.-armed and -equipped Ukrainians, the greater the likelihood Russia plays its ace of spades, nuclear weapons, to stave off defeat and humiliation and ensure the survival of the regime.

In short, the closer Putin comes to defeat, the closer we come to nuclear war, for that increasingly appears to be the only way Putin can prevent a Russian defeat, disgrace and humiliation.

Americans had best begin to consider what is the outcome to this war that can end the bloodshed, restore much of Ukraine to Kyiv, but not be seen as a historic humiliation for Russia.

Some Americans see this war as an opportunity to inflict a defeat and disgrace on Putin’s regime and Russia. Those seeking such goals should recognize that the closer they come to achieving their goals, the closer we come to Russia’s use of nuclear weapons.

Recall: President John F. Kennedy sought to provide an honorable way out of the Cuban missile crisis for the Soviet dictator and nation who precipitated it.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. Mr. Buchanan, you know that the Zionist neoconservatives are running American policy or even your country. They instigated the coup d’Etat in 2014 (infamous Victoria Nuland) with the help of the Fascist John Mc Cain. That the Joe Biden regime follows their rules shouldn’t surprise anyone checking the list of Zionists in the so-called American administration. The Biden regime serves not the American people’s interest but that of the Ukrainian and the Israeli regime. Why does the US fight a Zionist war in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  2. “America’s paramount interest in this crisis” is to overthrow the elected nationalist, patriotic government in Moscow and replace it with a puppet regime that will allow Wall Street to get out of its massive debt-hole by plundering Russia’s vast treasure house of natural resources.

    This is what America is, what America does, what America has always done.

    “Freedom, democracy, independence,” pul-leeze, what a giant load of horse manure. What’s really ironic is that we were once supposed to hate the Russkies because they were godless communists, and now they’re the bad guys as a devoutly Orthodox Christian nation which despises what they consider western “degeneracy,” as Putin commented in his masterful September 30 speech. United States of Amnesia, indeed. You may also want to recall “the Soviet dictator” put missiles in Cuba in 1962 to checkmate the US prior placement of missiles on his nation’s border in Turkey.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @brostoevsky
  3. When will Mr. Buchanan quit telling this demonstrable — and repeatedly demonstrated — lie

    [W]e are obliged, under the NATO treaty, to go to war if Slovakia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia are attacked.

    about Article 5?

    Note, too, the lapse back into pronoun propaganda to tell this whopper. He’s softening up the naively patriotic to jump on board when the ordnance starts to fly.

    If yours becomes Uncle Sam’s next Gold Star Family, be sure to have “Pat” credited for his Exceptional! service, too.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @rgl
  4. @Observator

    Yeah, many people aren’t aware of the Turkey side of the Cuban missile crisis. Most people have the wrong frame about it all. I still despise the Soviet Union in many ways and am somewhat fascinated by it at the same time. All things considered I live in Russia as a foreigner for many years. There was a lot of suffering/lack of intellectual freedom there. This is the best time to live in Russia despite the current situation, which is confusing to say the least. We’re all just gonna wait and see here.

    • Thanks: Derer
  5. rgl says:
    @Greta Handel

    I am not understanding you calling Article 5 of the NATO charter a lie. It is written in black and white, that an attack on one signatory is an attack on all, requiring an all-of-NATO response.

    Further, I think that Buchanan is simply stating an obvious fact. That the US has no national interest in the Ukraine other than a very stupid policy to try and weaken Russia, and to avoid the embarrassment of sinking billions and billions of USD to influence the outcome. While he is the product of a bygone age, where america could go stomping around the globe unimpeded, the world has changed.

    He does have one good point though … like billions of other souls on this war-infested rock, he doesn’t want to see humanity go up in (radioactive) smoke.

  6. Robs says:

    Uh oh….defeat and humiliation. I think Buchanan needs to call it a career. Russia is destroying all of Ukraine’s infrastructure and bringing 300k more troops to the fight. There will be no Ukraine left when this over. But go through the article and count how many times he mentions Russia’s defeat and humiliation. There will be much humiliation but not for Russia.

    • Agree: Farenheit
    • Replies: @brostoevsky
    , @Jeff Davis
  7. George 1 says:

    Gee! Maybe if our little minion Zelensky and the ZOG empire did not want to lose the Donbas or Crimea for that matter, they should not have declared the people living in those places “illegitimate” and start using the military to punish the Russian speakers and others in those regions. Maybe they should have honored the Minsk agreements. Maybe the U.S. should not have sponsored a coup to install a puppet regime that ultimately got us here.

    I notice the Jews in Israel are allowed to launch attacks against anyone they please even though they have not lost 15 to 20 thousand of their citizens through aggression since 2014, as the people in the Donbas have. So I do not entertain arguments that it is the Russians who are the aggressors and no one has a right to fight back against the crazed U.S. backed regime in Ukraine.

    Mr. Buchanan seems to believe that the Russians will loose the conflict. We will see. I would note that our “woke” military has in the last few years, lost an assault ship in drydock because the people working there were not able to push any of the fire suppression buttons (they are literally buttons), we have lost ( for a long time) two destroyers because their woke crews were not able to avoid huge container ships and lost for some time the Navy’s most advanced submarine due to the woke crew’s inability to avoid geologic features that rise from the bottom of the ocean.

    So I would not be absolutely certain that NATO and the U.S. will prevail.

    • Replies: @Carroll price
  8. @rgl

    You apparently (1) misunderstand my comment and (2) need to read closely the text of Article 5, which does not state “in black and white, that an attack on one signatory is an attack on all, requiring an all-of-NATO response.” To the contrary, the text reserves to each member’s discretion whether and how to respond.

    Mr. Buchanan knows this, and is misleading people like you. In “Where Does NATO Enlargement End?” published January 11, 2022, he misleadingly quoted a truncated portion of the document, as demonstrated there in comment #5. (Please, go look for yourself.) He has since propagandized about the purported “war guarantee” without quoting any of the text. That’s apparent, indisputable, and willful misrepresentation.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  9. @rgl

    Myself, Greta Handel and numerous other commenters have been over this repeatedly. Article 5 is not a war guarantee, Here is the article.

    Article 5
    The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all. Upon such attack, each member state is to assist by taking “such action as [the member state] deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”

    It only requires such action as the member state deems necessary – which may mean nothing at all. Also, Ukraine is not in “the North Atlantic area” at all. So the member states should be doing precisely that – nothing at all.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  10. Rurik says:

    To President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Ukraine, Crimea and the Donbas are national territories whose retrieval justifies all-out war to expel the invading armies of Vladimir Putin’s Russia

    “… and Ukraine,”

    Who is this Ukraine? I’d like to meet him/her, and ask him/her if they’re really willing to die to make Crimea ‘Ukrainian again’. If Crimea is Ukrainian, then what about the people who live there?

    Do they get a say? When you say “Ukraine” demands “all-out war” to wrest Crimea from Russia, do the “Ukrainians” in Crimea (or the Donbas) agree? Or Mr. Buchanan, are you speaking for them, as you so often like to speak for all Americans?

    In short, our vital interest — avoidance of a U.S. war with a nuclear-armed Russia — may soon clash with the strategic war goals of Ukraine — i.e., full retrieval of Crimea and the Donbas.

    Fair enough, and I agree.

    As Russia’s use of nuclear weapons could lead to a war that could involve the United States, Kyiv’s relentless pursuit of its vital interests — retrieval of all the lands taken by Russia, including the Donbas and Crimea — will eventually imperil vital U.S. interests.

    Except that ‘retrieving’ the Donbas and Crimea are not in Kiev’s “vital interest”. As you so astutely laid out, these are historic Russian territories, with Russian-speaking people who want to re-join mother Russia. The only reason Ukraine is fighting, is the exact same reason Poland thumbed its nose at The Corridor, because Poland was being used by the Rothschild fiend, to drag Germany into war, exactly as now, they’re using the abuse of Russian-speaking people living in historic Russian lands, (just like Danzig), in order to force a war that will crush Russia just like they tricked Germany into attacking Poland.

    Donbass is Danzig all over again, and anyone paying attention can see that. And, no-doubt Putin knew that, because it’s been obvious ever since that execrable bitch Nuland plopped her corpulent arse in the region. Putin and the Russians simply decided nuclear war was preferable to taking orders from the zio-bitch and her masters, and I agree with him.

    Americans had best begin to consider what is the outcome to this war that can end the bloodshed, restore much of Ukraine to Kyiv, but not be seen as a historic humiliation for Russia.

    more evidence that this isn’t actually Pat Buchanan. Pat knows that Crimea is not historically Ukrainian territory, but Russian.

    “Restoring” “Ukraine” (Crimea, et al) to “Kviv” in this case, would be like “restoring” Jerusalem to ‘Israel’, which is a regime which which Jerusalem (and the historic and indigenous people living there) has zero historical ties. It’s all lies and mendacious semantics in the service of The Empire of Lies. And more to the point..

    it

    is

    *not*

    going

    to

    happen.

    Russia is not going to relinquish these areas and betray the Russian-speaking people who live there, come hell or high water. So suggesting it, is only counter-productive to your stated agenda of preventing all out nuclear war.

    Some Americans see this war as an opportunity to inflict a defeat and disgrace on Putin’s regime and Russia. Those seeking such goals should recognize that the closer they come to achieving their goals, the closer we come to Russia’s use of nuclear weapons.

    Yes, (((“Some Americans”))), you’re absolutely spot on there, Pat.

    And at least at the bottom, you got to the point.

    Do “we” (the American people) really want to let “Some Americans” take the planet to the verge (and beyond) of nuclear war’, in order to force ((their))) unilateral control and power over the entire planet?

    Or, can we (the actual American people) stop them?

    That is the question.

  11. @Greta Handel

    You are right, Greta. It’s not the sloppiness of an old man, as I tended to think. It is a deliberate misrepresentation, which Buchanan repeats at every opportunity. All it does is deceive the gullible. In a real debate, it would be exposed and seriously undermine Buchanan’s case.

  12. Recall: President John F. Kennedy sought to provide an honorable way out of the Cuban missile crisis for the Soviet dictator and nation who precipitated it.

    If this is the way Mr Buchanan interprets history, then no wonder his views on the Ukraine are also topsy turvy.

    It was the Americans that baited the USSR, by placing missiles in Turkey and Italy; when all other efforts for a reasonable solution failed, USSR placed its missiles in Cuba. Even then the whole media was under the control of the American Deep State, and Americans were never told that it was American provocation that brought missiles right to their doorsteps. When both sides agreed to withdraw their missiles, it was the Soviet leaders that provided an honourable way out, not President Kennedy (it would have been a wonderful sight if the Soviet leaders insisted that as a part of the compromise, they must address the American people via television!). The way the story is told to Americans, that the Soviets installed their missiles in Cuba, and President Kennedy frightened them by glaring at them, and the Soviets withdrew, only Americans can believe it.

    Mr Buchanan need not worry about Russia losing Crimea and Donbas to NATO. Ukraine could not capture Donbas on its own for several years now; capturing Crimea is in another league. But Russia losing patience is a real possibility. Russia is probably the only country that has not forgotten the lessons of the WWII, and it has not fallen prey to the delusions of the idiocracy that has taken over the West. The NS pipeline attacks and the Kerch bridge terrorism are not very bright ideas. Because if Russia concludes that its very existence is at stake, it won’t start with artillery pieces aimed at Ukrainian soldiers. And, BTW, a nuclear war between Russia and the NATO will not wipe out the entire humanity; it will still leave about 2 billion people alive. Even if they are affected by the nuclear winter and loss of technology, still about half a billion would survive; but only very few of them will be Whites. Unfortunately, Western people do not seem to understand this.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  13. I find it difficult to believe USA will sacrifice itself for Ukraine. Russia’s use of tactical nuclear weapons will not lead to the unthinkable. The US is satisfied to stay out of the conflict and let Russians and Ukrainians slaughter each other. Mr Buchanan is being melodramatic as always. Quite likely Mr Biden will make a clear concise decision that Ukraine is not worth nuclear torching America. USA can persuade M Zelenskyy to accept a truce. It is the one calling the shots. Article 5 does not require the USA which is effectively NATO to come to the collective defense of other NATO members. Baltic states and east Europeans realize this and want US troops on their soil. Mr Zelenskyy should stop before his country is destroyed. He will have to make concessions. Mr Putin will nuke Kiev before he allows the loss of Crimea. Mr Zelenskyy’s call for NATO admission of Ukraine shows he still has not learned that NATO does not want to defend Ukraine.

  14. sonny six says:

    the u.s. is no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave, it is now the land of the thieves and the home of the weasals. As areil sharon said the u.s. is run bye israel, that puts the u.s. under the wrath of the gods, namely the jew god, Yahweh, The jew god Yahwehs prophets predicted one third of the worlds jews would perish. i. e. out of 18 million jews alive in 1939 6 million perished. Yahwehs prophets also predicted if the jews did not repent two thirds of the worlds jews would perish. Out of 15 million jews alive this would mean 10 million jews will perish. Bring on nuclear war jews and lets see how you like holocaust number 2. remember Yahweh says this time fire and brimestone. repent or perish.

    • Agree: JR Foley
  15. PJ London says:

    What Mr Buchanan fails to mention is that up to this point Russia has not been “at War”. They very clearly and demonstrably have avoided attacking Ukraine outside of the stated “Donbass” objectives. Thanks to the NATO troops and weapons, Russia (Primarily Donbass Militia) had to fight against the most advanced electronic(AWACS Satellite, electronic locators and drones) ever assembled. They had to fight against a never ending supply of weapons and apparently foreign ‘Fighters’. All the time whilst succouring and protecting the local population from the murderous AFU. Already the Donbass is being rebuilt and the civilians being resupplied with food, services and medical care far beyond any they have had in the last 20+ years. Which is why they voted 99% in a free (according to all international observers) referendum to ask to join the Russian Federation.
    Now that Ukraine has militarily attacked both Crimea and Russian territory, Russia will destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure and economy without any scruple. Try running a country with no electricity, no communications (‘Fuck off’ to Starlink), no transport and no ports. Russia will decimate Ukrainian and foreign troops wherever and whenever they are located and identified.
    Ukraine reneged on every agreement made with Russia including the latest “Grain export” agreement. Turkey who co-signed the agreement is not the stooge that France and Germany were over the Minsk agreements. Russia will close (and occupy) Odessa ‘with cause’ and that will be the final nail in the Ukrainian economy. Destroy the Rail line to Poland and nothing will move in or out of Ukraine. Hungary will happily close the border from their side.
    The “War” has just started, Ukraine did not want to play nice and respect International law so now “The gloves come off”.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  16. America has never had a vital interest in who rules in Kyiv.

    True. But the scum who rule America also rule Kyiv. Kyiv is vital to them because it is vital to their purpose of destroying Russia. And China and Iran and everybody who opposes them. These scum intend to rule the world by force of arms. They absolutly do not care about anybody but themselves. In truth, they probably even hate each other.

    This is OBVIOUS Pat. Stop publishing this garbage.

    Who are these scum? Ask yourself. Who am I not allowed to critisize.

  17. The US finds itself the financier and principal armorer of Ukraine,

    Buchanan makes it sound like this situation was something that just happened to the USA, like a guy walking across a field suddenly being struck out of the blue by a bolt of lightning. In fact, the USA deliberately chose to assume this stupid role.

    By the way, article 5 of the NATO treaty does NOT obligate any member country to go to war. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the treaty.

  18. DanFromCT says:

    The Donbas and Crimea are Russian territory, period. The rest appears to be a Jewish war playing the Ukraine off against Russia to diminish Russia’s ability to come to the aid of Iran, as well as to establish the Ukraine as a Jewish homeland should escape from Palestine become necessary, or simple expansion become possible. Depopulation of the Ukraine’s Christian population is working wonderfully, as planned. The same neocons and neolibs are simultaneously making war on America, by different means of course, but by the only means available to them at this time.

    Blinken is apparently looking to meld the US into a single North American entity without the teeth to do anything about the coming NWO that’s been announced, not by bloggers, but by the Israeli press itself and the scholarly publication, Foreign Affairs, which in the latter case openly gloated over Israel’s negotiations behind the US’ back for years and for the express purpose of throwing the US under the bus and replacing it with China as Israel’s new partner in world hegemony.

    It’s also worth pointing out that of Eretz Israel’s population, as many now reside in the US as live in Israel itself. Moreover and for what it’s worth, there are hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens now living in the US. Dominick Suter comes to mind.

  19. Wokechoke says:

    I don’t think that Russia has exhausted its conventional capabilities at all.

    Not cornered either.

    • Agree: brostoevsky
  20. Wokechoke says:
    @PJ London

    The Barbarians have Arrived after a six month waiting period. Behold, come and see!

  21. meamjojo says:

    You keep writing the same bullcrap, Pat.

    “As U.S. weapons help drive Russian soldiers out of the occupied regions of Ukraine, Russia and Putin are being driven into a corner, where the alternatives left to them shrink to two: accept defeat, humiliation and all its consequences, or escalate to hold onto what they have.”

    These two alternatives are one and the same. Much of the [honest] world recognizes that Putin has lost and that we are rubbing his [supposed] mighty militarizes proverbial face into the Ukrainian mud.

    If Putin cannot accept and admit defeat and therefore rationalizes that his ego is so busted that world genocide via a nuke releases is the only choice left, then so be it.

    I believe that if we get a sense that Putin is going to push the button, then we might just as well release our bio -agents inside Russia and see if they get to the button before the bugs get to them.

  22. There are no Ukrainian s.s. war aims worth mentioning –
    no one ever asked them; the plebiscite of 1991 went 85% against “independence”
    everywhere outside Galicia and Keeheef (!). The little homo was elected on the promise
    of normalizing relations with Russia (don´t get me started on the putsch).
    The Keeheef (((junta))) want the Kaganate of Lemberg, Odessa and Crimea
    (for the dachas and the beach) with the hinterlands only as cernosem
    (“black earth”) worked by strong, stupid and watertight hohol serfs and as
    a source for blonde underage sex slaves.
    There can be no collision with “US” war aims as the neocons/Trotskyist malcontents
    at (((State))) started this shit in the first place; everything is going according to Plan –
    in the Mike Tyson sense (“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”).

    There is no making sense of this without NTJ.

    • Agree: brostoevsky
  23. @Robs

    I believe there’ll be a massive assault on Kiev after the G20 summit in Bali, which Putin and Zelensky will attend. Putin will also meet with Xi on the sidelines. Putin has started all of his major moves after major global events. The ground will be frozen in Ukraine finally (for the tanks) and the Russian military will be ready. Belarus looks to join the fight as well. He was almost ousted by a western coup very recently. Russia and Ukraine are quite rainy in autumn making tank warfare and movements nearly impossible. It’s the calm before the storm now guys.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  24. saggy says: • Website

    The question that puzzles me is …. Does Russia have a military or not? I have recently read that the Russian military is 2,000,000 strong, checking wiki now I read 1,000,000 active military and 2,000,000 reserves. Yet the ‘war’ in Ukraine has been fought, it seems, primarily by Donetsk and Luhansk militia, Chechens, and the Wagner group. Where in hell is the 1,000,000 strong Russian military? Now we read they are ‘calling up’ 300,000? What does that mean?

    Why does Russia not benefit from air superiority over the frontline?

    It appears to me that the Russian military is smoke and mirrors. So we have some like Buchanan making the same assessment and concluding that Russia will be reduced to nuclear measures in the near future. And others, still claiming that Russia has a massive military that is going to turn the tide, which is now definitely favoring the Ukrainians, soon.

    So, it seems to me the underlying question here is …. the numbers/capability of the Russia’s conventional military.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Rurik
  25. The “vital interests” of the US and Russia, from the evidence, are on a collision course – towards WW3. But as history shows there are wars nations need to avoid, and too often don’t. Such conflicts do not defend those interests, but lead to their destruction.
    https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

  26. @saggy

    Though being heavily pro-(((Uke))) (“Perun”= Baltic god of thunder)
    I found this a reasonable summary of the air situation:

    Otherwise it hits the eye that even after stepping up the tempo the Ruskies
    still take considerable pains to minimize destruction and civilian casualties
    while the (((Ukes))) keep provoking them to overreact (I had to study these things
    in the army) i.e. the Russians treat the theater as “friendly” while the (((Ukes)))
    treat their “own” population as either expendable or outright hostile
    (on which, the front still being inside Noworossija, they are probably right).

    • Replies: @saggy
    , @Rurik
  27. saggy says: • Website
    @nokangaroos

    Great vid, thanks. Best thing I’ve seen analyzing the actual war.

  28. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Jesus Christ Pat, you are heading to the next world soon… SAY THE OBVIOUS TRUTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JEWS are the problem…

    TRIBAL TRAINING made them that way…

    (((THEY))) are NOT Americans… they are SATAN’S A-TEAM.

    Say it Pat, and earn your spot in Heaven.

  29. Rurik says:
    @nokangaroos

    Extremely informative, (but wrong on a BUK taking out MH17

    MH17 was riddled with machine gun fire. This was suppressed because the only regime that could have machine gunned MH17 from the air, would have been Ukraine, and so they lied about it, in order to cover up the crime, and blame Putin, (of course)

    start at just after 6:00 to 6:30. The investigator is a Ukrainian Canadian

    do a search for ‘MH17 bullet holes’. It’s irrefutable. You can clearly see how the cockpit of the jet was specifically targeted. A BUK missile can not do that.

    I’m just surprised the video got that bit wrong.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  30. Rurik says:
    @saggy

    Where in hell is the 1,000,000 strong Russian military? Now we read they are ‘calling up’ 300,000? What does that mean?

    Why does Russia not benefit from air superiority over the frontline?

    I’m definitely no expert. Not even close, or in the ballpark, or in the solar system.

    But as layman, what seems to be going on, is that one of the main reasons ZOG had for forcing this conflict, is to discover what exactly are Russia’s capabilities. ZOG (obviously) want regime change in Russia, and so forcing a conflict that would get Russia to use its military, would be a great way for ZOG to gauge just how formidable it is, and in what ways they plan and implement strategies to counter Russian capabilities.

    But to the chagrin of ZOG, Russia isn’t even close to using its ‘A-game’, (as I’ve heard it referred to). Rather, they’re just moving very slowly and methodically, to ensure minimum casualties.

    The people of Donbas (and the other regions) are Russians. Putin is a Russian nationalist. The last thing he wants to do is kill Russians. On the contrary, he expects the people in these new Russian territories to become loyal (and grateful) Russian citizens, and even be willing to fight for Russia (and their own lands), which as I understand it, is where most of the front line soldiers are from, these break-away Russian areas.

    The real strength of the Russian military is being kept under lock and key. And Putin has intimated this more than once. Russia just might have to fight NATO, before this is over. And if so, then we’ll all find out just how formidable the Russian military actually is, (and, likely inside our borders).

    But for now, it’s tiddlywinks. Just moving methodically to liberate the Russian people who’ve languished under ZOG’s bloody and cruel boot ever since McCain and Nuland’s coup. The call-up is to keep the regular Russian military at full strength, just in case it’s needed to confront ZOG.

    At least that’s how I see it, anyway.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  31. @Robs

    There will be much humiliation but not for Russia.

    Exactly.

    Americans have a short attention span, a compulsive need for instant gratification, and per Bill Casey’s declaration:

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)

    … are comprehensively misinformed and thus — drowned in propaganda, ie “perception management” — disconnected from reality.

    Putin’s General Staff prepared the battle space, and then invited the “NATO-trained”* Ukrainian army into the kill zone and methodically destroyed it, all the while minimizing Russian and Ukrainian civilian casualties.

    Now “General Winter” will — gratis — drive both the Ukrainian and Europeans populations into rebellion against their Neocon-lackey political class, crippling NATO/EU unity and resolve. (The European population certainly don’t want to be reduced to poverty for the benefit of the Neocons, and most certainly don’t want Europe turned into a Neocon war zone wet-dream, to wit, a Goyim-on-Goyim blood-bath and a Neoliberal honey pot of war-and-post-war profiteering.)

    Interesting times.

    * I once thought “NATO-trained to NATO-standard” meant top-drawer military capability. After seeing how Russia ground the Ukrainian army to bits … on the cheap … I’m thinking that NATO is really just a profit driven grift.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  32. @Rurik

    I noticed that too … what I´ve seen did look like horizontal light cannon fire,
    and the characteristic damage to the middle wing a BUK would cause was
    missing; absent radar data (that must be somewhere!) or a convincing
    narrative from either side I´m willing to let that slip.
    The overall picture is of a Lusitania type provocation. KAL007 anyone?

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  33. The Ukrainians wouldn’t win an argument, they have a less than zero chance of taking Crimea or those new areas of the Russian Federation,

    The author is talking bollocks here, pure and unadulterated,

    Russia will secure those regions, will defeat the Ukrainian military, and anybody who thinks or hopes otherwise is deluding themselves,

    Those that run the US, the ‘Zionists’ (code for organised world Jewery) have bitten off more than they can chew, finally,

    The people likely to escalate to a nuclear attack are the US administration, stuffed to the gill as it is with these ‘Zionists’.

    • Agree: HdC
  34. @brostoevsky

    Russia is deploying a significant military force along the Belarus-Ukrainian border. Transport and set-up are the only — minimal, IMO — cost for this redeployment of already extant Russian military assets. I assess that they are there to “fix” some portion of the depleted Ukrainian forces in a defensive position. And I assess that these Russian and Belarusian forces are not likely to be sent across the border until such time Ukraine is comprehensively neutered and toothless … then to be deployed as occupation forces following Zelensky’s Ukrainian surrender.

    Once again the Russians are preparing the battlespace, in anticipation of the final Russian onslaught following the destruction of Europe and Ukraine by General Winter.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  35. Derer says:

    how far are we willing to go to aid Ukraine in driving the Russians out and taking these lands back?

    First of all those are historical Russian lands. Russia is doing taking back from the Ukraine theft by separation. The US is willing to go all the way because the preoccupation with Ukraine is the American Zionist Lobby agenda.

    Ukraine is deemed to be ideal nest (inhabited by an easily controlled herd of sheep) for the world Zionists, better than sandy Israel surrounded by hostile neighbors. First hint came from the Democrats ruling elite, fully controlled by the Lobby, sending Jewish agents for Ukraine to remove pro-Russian president and then to appoint Jewish leaders like Yatseniuk or Zelensky. The Christian opposition was eliminated by decree in Kiev. So this war is about the Black Sea beaches and fertile black soil for a “special” group of people. American Christian public couldn’t care less about corrupt Ukraine.

  36. Wokechoke says:
    @nokangaroos

    The general theory of Russian Sepratist responsibility is that the Ukies were flying near civilian jets. And a missile accidentally hit the liner. Why not fire on the jets if somewhat close. Who would say you did it? No one in the west that’s for certain now.

    It fits some of Ukie behaviour like that Bridge at Kerch.

  37. I’m for getting the war over with and if that means letting Russia administer Donbas & Crimea, so be it. Perhaps arrangements can be made for future referendums in which these areas could go back to Ukraine if Russia is satisfied that Ukraine will honor Russian culture and language. Do Ukrainians and Russians really want to live all THAT differently? Anyway, nobody is asking me.

    However the so-called neocon school of thought in both Ukraine and the U.S. is up for NATO weapons + Ukrainian manpower = Russia getting run out of Ukraine altogether, including disputed territories. More sophisticated weaponry, especially air defenses, are in play for this group.

    Where I disagree with Buchanan is in his idea that a tactical nuke is somehow Russia’s “Ace of Spades” and would amount to Putin winning and remaining in power. Nukes not only kill people very well, but they create an ecological catastrophe wherever detonated. Putin allies in the world now amount to a handful of countries mostly reliant on Russian arms or the potential thereof. Huge important nations like China and India are tepid at best in their sympathy for what Putin is doing. If Putin used a nuke, there would be WORLDWIDE opprobrium. It would not be thought of as something that was in any way necessary. Putin would be seen as a madman unconcerned about human life and the environment. With that millstone around his neck, he would have less of a chance of surviving than if Ukraine won back its territories. Tzars suffered losses in war and survived – an outrageous atrocity like the detonation of a nuke would leave Russia totally isolated.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  38. I would suggest that Mr. Buchanan reads/watches some duran.com to get a grip on some realities of the Ukraine war.

  39. Pat you are way past your prime. It is okay now to mention Jews and Israel on this and other sites too. It is time for you to retire.

  40. Wokechoke says:
    @Frank Walus

    Iron Putin is more you win some you lose some.

    He wouldn’t be allowed to drop a nuclear bomb anyway.

  41. but that the U.S. not be sucked into a war with Russia that could escalate into a world war and a nuclear war.

    The United States has not been “sucked” into anything. It’s the driving force behind what’s taking place in Ukraine.

  42. @Jeff Davis

    I hope the West Ukrainians wake up and rebel —-

  43. @Ludwig Watzal

    LizzTruss is now available and a fighter I might add.

  44. America has never had a vital interest in who rules in Kyiv.

    That interest does exist. It is in the US interest that Putin is stopped in Ukraine, otherwise, he keeps going to his goals of the narrows of the Polis Plain, the Baltics and the Bessarabian gap. We don’t want NATO involved as that would result in nukes being used by both sides. Stopping Putin now, prevents that.

    • LOL: Automatic Slim
  45. @Old Brown Fool

    Agree. Whoever’s writing Paddy’s column needs to get up to speed on reality.

  46. @Rurik

    Even when there is a war between Russia and the NATO, Russian army may not have to meet the NATO armies head on. Because once Russia realises it is a world war, its missiles will be used first.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  47. “As Russia’s use of nuclear weapons could lead to a war that could involve the United States, Kyiv’s relentless pursuit of its vital interests — retrieval of all the lands taken by Russia, including the Donbas and Crimea — will eventually imperil vital U.S. interests.”

    But the United States Government – and even more the US State Department – is not in the hands of people who see vital US interests with your eyes – which is why the Mexican border is not defended, but billions can go to defend the Ukrainian border.

  48. Rurik says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Even when there is a war between Russia and the NATO, … … its missiles will be used first.

    I doubt anyone really knows how it would all play out. Which is very good thing, for obvious reasons.

    Too many factors and unknowns.. what would China do? As soon as the missiles started to fly, then what would Israel do? Take out Damascus? Tehran? Samson option the whole kit and caboodle?

    What about India and Pakistan? If it looked like all the old rules go out the window, who knows what kind of pent-up, irrational demons might burst forth?

    For myself, I’m starting to wonder if this isn’t all scripted on the part of the West, to de-Nazify (kill the Ukrainian men) so that the Khazars can reclaim what they consider their ancient lands.

    They already own or outright control it. Oligarchs like Kolomoisky have been treating it like their own little fiefdom for decades. What better than to puff up all of these young men, (with a sense of grievance against Russia for the Holodomor (which wasn’t orchestrated by Russians, but by the enemy of Russia), and the outrages of the Soviet era, and tell all these wannabe Banderites that ‘those Russians over there are the bad guys, and they killed your grandfathers!’ And then hand them a machine gun and say get over there and fight!

    The Jews have been doing that to the goyim for centuries, it’s become so routine it’s almost tiresome. To the point where I suspect the roles are now genetic, with the Jew pointing the finger and telling the goyim ‘let’s you and him fight’, and then on cue, bang, slaughter, rivers of blood.

    Such a deal!

    So they puff up these marginalized and despairing young men, and tell them ‘it’s Russia that has held you down, and now you can shout Sieg Heil! and go kill those mean Russians!

    All calculated to get the Ukrainian male to die on behalf of a chimera; (a sovereign and free Ukraine for Ukrainian self-determination, for once), as the men are either slaughtered or taken prisoner or flee to the safety of Europe.

    And once they’re gone, all that will be left in Ukraine are old people and woman and children.

    What could possibly be better for the tribe, than to return to their ‘ancient homeland’, (sound familiar) with millions of destitute and desperate (blond is their favorite) women and children.

    Zelinsky has already broadcasted his intention that Ukraine is to become a “Big Israel”. Imagine tens or scores of thousands of young Jewish men from all over the planet, making ‘Aliyah’ to the ‘new Israel, where American billions are free-flowing in infinite abundance, if you have the right connections.

    I don’t know if such an idea is viable, but that is what I’m starting to think was their intention all along. From their base in Ukraine, then can then set about exporting their particular kind of influence all over Russia and Europe.

    Such a deal!

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  49. Caleb says:

    You forgot to mention the actual situation.

    Whereas the US had an interest in provoking war with Russia, given its support of the 2014 coup and support of the new regime’s civil war aims (labelling all civilians in eastern Ukraine as terrorists — the very word used by Poroshenko),

    whereas Ukraine has been steadily losing in that civil war now that Russia has taken an active role in defending the eastern Ukrainians,

    the danger we’re facing is that the US and Ukraine will take the fight past the tipping point. It’s the racketeers that are threatening everybody, as ever.

  50. smetana says:

    Recall: President John F. Kennedy sought to provide an honorable way out of the Cuban missile crisis for the Soviet dictator and nation who precipitated it.

    Washington or London precipitates every crisis. The Cuban missile crisis was precipitated by the secret deployment of Polaris missles in Europe. (Not secret to the Soviets, obviously, but to the general public).

  51. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:

    Ukrainian success has been exaggerated. They recaptured a lot of empty land while expending the lives of thousands of men. Russia has now targeted Ukrainian infrastructure and more troops are arriving. Russia will win unless….NATO intervenes directly…..and then it is WWIII

    The real question: is The Empire willing to lose Ukraine to the Russians?

  52. Bo Bo says:

    Don’t be surprised if Putin, Zelensky, and Biden, with all their money, buy mansions in a gated community in Switzerland where they will be neighbors.

    Putin supposedly has billions stashed away, Zelensky probably has millions if not more provided by American taxpayers, and Biden probably has millions provided by Hunter Biden by the Ukrainian intelligence service funneled through Burisma, the Ukrainian company where Hunter was on the board of directors courtesy of the Ukrainian intelligence service so as to have access to his dad, the US vice president- at the time.

  53. I used to respect Pat Buchanan and regard him as a thoughtful conservative, but this essay and his recent work is so bad, so disconnected from reality that I doubt I will ever try to wade through the nonsense he extrudes ever again.

    Pat seems to worry about the Ukraine army, NATO and the US army somehow posing a challenge to the Russian army once it is fully mobilized. Not to worry, Pat. Since the commencement of the SMO, Russia has been fighting using only a very small portion of its actual military capability, hoping to convince Zelensky’s puppeteers in the US State Department to negotiate. Victoria Nuland will not allow negotiation. Putin has understood this and so he will ramp up the military resources and operational tempo accordingly

    By the Spring thaw, it will all be over, Ukraine will be partitioned between Russia and Belarus and no nukes will have been ignited, not unless the US lights one up as a false flag.

    Pat, your essay calls to mind Fetterman’s recent debate performance in PA. It is time to lay down your pen.

  54. ‘…Today, while the U.S. is under no obligation to go to war for Ukraine, we are obliged, under the NATO treaty, to go to war if Slovakia, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia are attacked…’

    Maybe we don’t need to fret too much. This administration has already demonstrated that legal obligations don’t cut much ice with it.

    We’ll go to war with Russia if and when the establishment perceives that to be in its political interest. Legalities may serve as a fig leaf — but they’ll be disregarded if our masters feel so inclined.

    If we want to bait Russia into having a war with us, we will. If we don’t, we won’t. Treaties won’t have anything to do with it.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  55. @Colin Wright

    If the Article 5 lie wasn’t important to the Establishment, its Mr. Paleoconservative wouldn’t keep fastening that “fig leaf” back on Uncle Sam.

  56. SafeNow says:

    “Threads” is a 1984 British docudrama depicting the horrific impact of a nuclear war upon actual people. Why am I wasting my time recommending this superb, important film? The people who should be viewing it will not do so; conversely, there are people here who have never seen it, but if you are here, you do not NEED to see it.

  57. When we say “America” it doesn’t mean “We the people”. It usually means the regime in D.C.
    It is the vital interest of “We the people” of America to avoid war with Russia. Can that be said about the regime in D.C. ?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  58. @Rocky Racoon

    When we say “America” it doesn’t mean “We the people”. It usually means the regime in D.C.

    Right!

    “… Under such conditions, the best case scenario for most Americans would be a nightmare for many national security and bureaucratic elites: for the U.S. to give up on policing the world and instead turn inward and focus on finding out where exactly our institutions have gone wrong.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-real-threat-america-ruling-ideology/5733887

    [MORE]

    “China’s true menace is neither military nor geopolitical, but rather ideological. Its continuing success, even if it in no way harms the prosperity or security of most Americans, poses a major threat to the American political establishment, how it justifies its own power, and its understanding of the U.S. role in the world.”

    “… It is also consistent with the arguments of the most honest kind of “China hawk,” who argues that the real problem with Beijing is not that it wants to dominate the world, but that it might stop the U.S. from doing so in a unipolar manner.”

    “But the spread of economic and social systems operates in the realm of path dependence and network dynamics. Under this view, the move towards democratization after the Second World War depended on the power and missionary zeal of the U.S. more than the laws of history. If American power declines, its focus on world affairs wanes, or democracy loses its luster due its perceived shortcomings, the connection between economic growth and democratization can break down.”

    “With the American post-war liberal consensus having staked much of its legitimacy on providing better results, China’s development is an ideological threat regardless of how benevolent its rulers might theoretically be. …”

    “… If universal democratization is not the ultimate endpoint of history—or even an imperative for development, peace, and prosperity—how can the American role in the world be justified? What will it say about the American system if the U.S. is no longer the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world, having been surpassed by a country that became the dominant power in East Asia without even paying lip service to democratic ideals?

    “Ultimately, Americans themselves might begin asking themselves difficult questions about how well they have been served by their own system, including the sacrifices in blood and treasure they are regularly asked to make abroad.”

  59. It hasn’t yet been published here, but Mr. Buchanan’s latest column — Democrats, Not ‘Democracy,’ at Risk Today — about the Most Important Election Ever hasn’t a word about Ukraine or “foreign policy.”

    Instead, readers are poked with theycalledyounazis and then invited to Consider immigration, crime, and inflation as problems attributable to the lead Blue puppet that the incoming Red ones will do something about.

    [That] is the Big Lie of 2022.

    The intramural pillow fights will secure the Establishment only as long as enough Americans keep restuffing them with votes.

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