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“Quid pro quo” was the accusatory Latin phrase most often used to describe President Donald Trump’s July 25 phone call asking for a “favor” from the president of Ukraine.

New Year’s prediction: The Roman poet Horace’s Latin depiction: “Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus” — “The mountains went into labor, and brought forth a mouse” — will be used to describe the articles of impeachment drawn up by Nancy Pelosi’s House.

Article II is titled “Obstruction of Congress.” What does it allege?

That Trump “directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its ‘sole power of Impeachment.'”

Undeniably, there is truth here.

Trump did direct the Executive branch not to provide witnesses and documents subpoenaed by the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees, both of which are partisan, pro-impeachment and chaired by unapologetic Trump-haters Jerrold Nadler and Adam Schiff.

But what the substance of Article II is really about is the eternal conflict between the first and second branches of the government over their respective rights and powers.

Such clashes are usually decided by the third branch, the Supreme Court. But Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff are unwilling to wait for the court to decide. They are declaring the issue decided and settled in the House’s favor, and treating Trump’s recourse to the courts as a new impeachable offense: “Obstruction of Congress.”

Can Pelosi seriously expect a Republican Senate to convict and remove a Republican president for defending what that president is claiming in open court are the constitutional rights of the Executive Branch that he, as its present occupant and leader, is obligated to defend?

Trump would be derelict in his duty if he allowed a rogue House to run roughshod over the White House.

Consider Article I, “Abuse of Power.”

The heart of this charge is that Trump briefly held up delivery of $391 million in “vital military and security assistance to oppose Russian aggression.” So doing, Trump “compromised the national security of the United States.”

Is the House serious? It was the Trump administration that began the transfer of the lethal aid — sniper rifles, Javelin missiles — that President Barack Obama had denied to Ukraine for three years.

If Trump’s brief hold on a second tranche of lethal aid to Ukraine imperiled our “national security,” was not Obama’s yearslong denial of lethal aid to Ukraine a far greater peril to our national security?

Still, it is absurd to declare U.S. national security as threatened by a Russian presence in Crimea or in the Russian-speaking Donbass.

Russia has been in Crimea since Catherine the Great’s reign in the 18th century. When FDR visited Yalta in Crimea in 1945, and when Richard Nixon visited Crimea during his 1974 summit, Ukraine was a Soviet republic ruled from Moscow.
When did a Russian presence or Russian flag flying over Crimea or Luhansk and Donetsk become a threat to U.S. national security?

Soon after the victory of Lenin’s revolution, and from then, for seven decades, to the end of the Cold War, Ukraine was one of 15 Soviet republics.

When did Ukraine’s territorial borders become a U.S. vital interest?

George H. W. Bush in 1991 implored the Ukrainians not to indulge a “suicidal nationalism” by declaring independence. Stay with Russia, said Bush. Was Bush 41 committing an impeachable act and imperiling U.S. national security?

Under the Constitution, a president shall be impeached and removed on conviction by the Senate of “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

During the years of the Mueller investigation, Trump was accused of “treason,” of being a Kremlin ally and asset.

With Trump, said Pelosi, “All roads lead to Putin!”

Yet nowhere in the articles of impeachment is “treason” mentioned. Nor is “bribery” or “extortion,” the other crimes alleged. Where are the “high crimes” in this impeachment resolution? There are none.

Were the Democrats demagoguing? Did they have nothing to back up the charges of criminal conduct? Were the charges just designed to smear Trump, whom Democrats fear they cannot defeat in 2020?

Trump’s offense is that he asked Ukraine’s president to investigate the Bidens and Burisma Holdings, which paid son Hunter Biden $50,000 a month while Vice President Joe was the White House point man for rooting out corruption in Ukraine.

But if Trump had no justification for his suspicions about Joe and Hunter, why is the press corps traveling with candidate Biden demanding more answers than Joe seems prepared to give?

And is it truly impeachable to ask Ukraine’s president to look into the smelly Biden-Burisma deal before being awarded an Oval Office meeting?

In Article I, Trump is accused of taking actions in Ukraine “that would help his election.”

But when did it become a crime to consider the probable electoral consequences of decisions taken in foreign policy?

Admirers of JFK tell us he was ready to pull out of Vietnam, but only after the 1964 election, so as not to increase his vulnerability to the hawkish Republicans of the Goldwater era.

If true, was JFK guilty of impeachable inaction?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2019 Creators.com.

 
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  1. This is a good piece of work Pat. And this is priceless:

    “The mountains went into labor, and brought forth a mouse”

    • Agree: Liza, Prester John
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. A123 says:

    Some pictures are too good to pass up.

    PEACE 😇

    _______

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  3. Rurik says:

    The heart of this charge is that Trump briefly held up delivery of $391 million in “vital military and security assistance to oppose Russian aggression.” So doing, Trump “compromised the national security of the United States.”

    At the heart of the entire farce, is the fact that is was Obama’s State Dept. that funded and organized the putsch in the first place. With Nuland declaring imperiously who would be the Prime Minister of Ukraine, following the US orchestrated coup, with her declaration that “Yats is the guy”. ((Arseniy Yatsenyuk)) That is how the US promotes democracy, with imperious US functionaries selecting other nation’s Prime Ministers based on what suits the current regime in DC.

    And then they talk of Russia ‘meddling in our democracy’.

    They should choke on those words.

    The hearings are a grotesque farce. But at least it has the comic relief factor of watching the TDS asshats squirming in their bile.

    priceless:

    “The mountains went into labor, and brought forth a mouse”

    yep

    • Agree: follyofwar
  4. nickels says:

    It wasn’t an impeachable offense for JFK.
    Which is why they shot him.

    • Agree: Realist
  5. Fugazi, Sniff, and Booger,
    Scurrying mice gone wild,
    Nipped Constitution dodgers,
    Choke on stale cheese high piled.

  6. Rebel0007 says:

    This was an excellent analysis of what has happened. Add to that the total hypocrisy that the DNC paid for the Steele dossier which was all blatant lies.

    They are just acting like a bunch of lunatic psychopaths because Hillary lost. They will not stop this outrageous behavior and national freak show until they win or are dead, unfortunately.

    Stubborn and wrong. Stick with what doesn’t work.

  7. Corvinus says:

    LOL. Patrick has really lost it. He still is smarting from the fact that he served under a crook who would have been impeached.

    Based on the testimonial and documentary evidence, it’s clear that Trump sought to solicit bribes from Poroshenko before he even knew that Zelensky would be president and he’d try to solicit bribes from *him* instead.

    The fact of the matter is that the transcript is prima facie quid pro quo. Zelensky now states blocking aid was wrong. The Ukrainians knew that the aid was being held up on the day of that call. A Ukrainian prosecutor general started the investigation of Biden on Guiliani’s demand in April 2019 at the latest. And a plethora of witnesses confirm the prima facie quid pro quo.

    Here is the time line.
    January: Rudy in Ukraine seeking Biden dirt.
    February: Rudy in Ukraine seeking Biden dirt.
    March: Rudy gets Biden dirt to Solomon via Lutsenko.
    April: Lutsenko recants the Biden dirt he gave Solomon.

    It wasn’t about Trump trying to stamp out ALL corruption in the Ukraine, it was about trying to get information about a potential political opponent.

    Democrats know BRIBERY fits these facts perfectly, as they put the elements of soliciting a bribe (per the federal criminal statute for bribery) at the very beginning of the abuse of power article. However, when Republicans complain they have no idea what conduct is being described, they know full well it is BRIBERY, but the Democrats dare not say it repeatedly and openly because they want to avoid the word in an election year.

    On top of it all, you have Governor Mike Huckabee who is trying to move the Overton Window through this tweet–I’ll be on @seanhannity 2nite @FoxNews at 9pm ET and will explain how @realDonaldTrump will be eligible for a 3rd term due to the illegal attempts by Comey, Dems, and media, et al attempting to oust him as @POTUS so that’s why I was named to head up the 2024 re-election.

    So Huckabee already supports a third term; is “testing the waters” using Overton-Window theory; or is “drafting” off the unconstitutional, unpatriotic rhetoric of actual radicals to get attention.

    Remember, IG Michael Horowtiz: “We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that indicated political bias or improper motivation influencing his decision to open the investigation.”

    Yet, Bill Barr is having a conniption fit, despite saying prior to the report that he would accept its findings regardless. LOL.

    Seriously, Patrick, you are way out of your league here.

  8. Corvinus says:
    @Rebel0007

    “Add to that the total hypocrisy that the DNC paid for the Steele dossier which was all blatant lies.”

    GOP interest in listening to the CIA began and ended—apparently—with Page. The same Page investigated by the FBI for being a Russian spy BEFORE Trump announced a presidential run because he gave info to Russian spies, admitted to it, and called himself a “Kremlin adviser”.

    Indeed, the dossier perfectly replicated at least two conversations Page secretly had with Kremlin officials and lied about on national TV when he returned to the United States. The dossier’s replication of those conversations was in fact one of its best indicia of reliability. The FBI literally investigated Carter Page as a possible Russian agent just 2 years before the presidential campaign began.

    And, Steele himself said quite clearly that we don’t know if these tapes exist. However, the CIA insists they do, with the BBC receiving confirmation.

    Read your Seth Abramson. It would do you a TON of good.

  9. You should stick to your usual vague generalities, Corvinus. When you make specific predictions, you come out looking even more buffoonish than usual. “We must impeach Trump in his first term or he will run for a third!” Whatever.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  10. Rebel0007 says:

    @Cornivus

    It appears that you have the facts backwards Cornivus. Have you conveniently forgotten that Joe Biden used political muscle to remove the Ukranian Judge who was going to prosecute Hunter Biden for corruption? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC paid for the Christopher Steele totally fabricated, raunchy smut on Trump? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC blamed Russia for hacking and election rigging when the proof shows that it was nothing but a bunch of lies?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the Clinton Foundation is guilty of outright fraud for which they have not been charged?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC handed a victory over to Trump by rigging their own primary?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that hysterically anti-Russian Hillary Clinton signed the Plutonium enrichment agreement with Sergey Lavrov?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC, Clinton Foundation, Hillary Clinton, FBI and Justice department are guilty of blatant high crimes as a result of all of this? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten the pay to play of the Clinton Foundation?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the Russian government was the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation? 

    Or do you just assume that everyone else has forgotten all of those things for your convenience?!

  11. Rebel0007 says:

    @Cornivus

    @Cornivus

    It appears that you have the facts backwards Cornivus. Have you conveniently forgotten that Joe Biden used political muscle to remove the Ukranian Judge who was going to prosecute Hunter Biden for corruption? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC paid for the Christopher Steele totally fabricated, raunchy smut on Trump? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC blamed Russia for hacking and election rigging when the proof shows that it was nothing but a bunch of lies?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the Clinton Foundation is guilty of outright fraud for which they have not been charged?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC handed a victory over to Trump by rigging their own primary?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that hysterically anti-Russian Hillary Clinton signed the Plutonium Disposition Agreement with Sergey Lavrov?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the DNC, Clinton Foundation, Hillary Clinton, FBI and Justice department are guilty of blatant high crimes as a result of all of this? 

    Have you conveniently forgotten the pay to play of the Clinton Foundation?

    Have you conveniently forgotten that the Russian government was the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation? 

    Or do you just assume that everyone else has forgotten all of those things for your convenience?

  12. I think Pat’s pretty spot-on here.
    I like it that he points out a primary fact — that the impeachment doc’s charge Trump that he “compromised the national security” of the US because he held up “vital” military aid to Ukraine for a short period which allowed for further “Russian aggression”.
    Look at all the taken for granted assumptions —
    * that the US has national security interests in the Ukraine (this can be granted if you assume the US has security interests in every square inch of land & sea on earth)
    * that the military aid was actually “vital” to the Ukraine. No evidence here.
    * that the pause in aid actually & materially negatively affected Ukraine’s interests, & therefore affected, US national security interests. Again — no evidence for either assumption.
    * that there was “Russian aggression” such that the aid became “vital”. Here there is evidence against. Russia’s engagement has been limited to logistics, intelligence, & training to the Republics. Possibly some Russian “volunteers”. At the time of the aid, as far as I am aware, there was no aggression by either side (beyond, what in sport, we would call the usual “niggle” — ie low level shots, counter shots, the occasion mortar etc).
    So, what a theadbare indictment (there’s plenty of other crimes to use … but the Democrats are equally complicit in those). But threadbare is OK — it’s not like this about crimes — anyone vaguely in touch with reality knows this is just more drecky politics — episode “nth” in that long running Soap, “Donny loves Boris”.

  13. @Ozymandias

    You should stick to your usual vague generalities, Corvinus. When you make specific predictions, you come out looking even more buffoonish than usual.

    Hard to tell whether he’s really so deeply ignorant as to be truly unaware that Carter Page was an FBI asset… or whether he knows, and is spewing this aimless, incoherent blather in a vain attempt to distract from that simple fact.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  14. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal

    My take is that Corvinus is a B+ troll, in the true sense of that often misused term: someone who posts to elicit enraged replies. At a site like TUR, the best bait is affecting the thoroughly propagandized view of the mainstream, self-styled “progressive,” the fellow at work or down the street who believes everything he’s told by the Establishment, but sees himself as intelligent, well informed, and having arrived there independently. A contemporary Tom Parsons (1984) with a Starbucks in one hand and a Sunday NYT in the other, a runic CoExist bumper sticker on his Prius.

  15. This affair with javelins is hilarious stupidity.
    “Vital military aid was suspended for Ukraine” (for a few days)
    The question is did Ukraine used at least one javelin from the time they were delivered?
    Of course not.
    My brother was a Division commander of Tanks repair unit.
    He was working on auxiliary equipment for tanks to enable tanks to cross rivers.
    So I do have a clue about tanks.
    Tanks are practically impossible to attack from front and back.
    Tanks are vulnerable from the sides. It is easy to knock out the Tank chain drive.
    Tank become a sitting duck.
    Few tanks in the battlefield do not make a big difference in the battle.
    Many tanks in very wide line are the most terrifying thing in battle.
    …….
    So what did happen?
    In 1914 Ukrainian fascist did attack Donbas.
    They collected a few tanks Ukraine had, and few fascists and did attack.
    Donbas steelworkers did knock out all tanks an repelled the attack.
    After Fascists retreated in panic Donbas steelworkers did pull the abandoned tanks into their shops
    and fixed them. Now Donbas has tanks and Ukraine does not.
    Ukraine does not manufacture tanks. Tanks are made in Siberia (Russia.)
    Russia did not give Donbas any tanks. (If Russia would give Donbas any Tanks Ukrofascists would complain. It did not happen)

  16. Well I can’t say that I always agree with all of Pat’s observations or conclusions, but more power, I say, to the man who can find, and quote in the original, a line from Horace that is so hilariously apt for the freak show that is the Democratic Party of 2019.

  17. KenH says:

    Trump’s “high crime” is not hating his fellow whites. The Democrats are so blinded by raw hate and malice that they can’t see Trump is just an orange fraud who gives his 80% white voting base nothing but dog whistles at rallies while he’s delivered for Jews, Israel, and Zionism as well as American blacks by signing off on the biggest jail break in American history (First Step Act).

    Trump is probably the most shameless post 1965 shabbos goy in the history of American politics. He doesn’t deserve any sympathy or support from the political right any more.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  18. Realist says:

    Where Are the ‘High Crimes’?

    On the Democrat side…but justice will never be served.

  19. @Corvinus

    Horowitz?
    Hora means mountain.
    Horowitz means Man from mountain, or Highlander.

  20. Arioch says:

    Moon Of Alabama made a post and it seems an interesting idea: this can really be negotiated between all the parties, dems, reps and Trump

    Deal was, according to MoA, explicitly filing only the most lame and baseless accusations, among many others possible, and then striking them down as baseless fast and easy, without actually looking into the Russiagate and all other crimes of Biden and friends.

    Dems get their “you see we tried” for their never-trump voters.
    Reps get their “we stood against witchhunt” for their voters.
    Trump gets his “i am all alone against the 1% from the UniParty” for his voters.

    They all got away from the prospect of bloody battle where really dirty secrets and real crimes of all three parties would had been brought to the limelight.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  21. TGD says:
    @Corvinus

    Patrick has really lost it. He still is smarting from the fact that he served under a crook who would have been impeached.

    Nixon was not a crook. He was paranoid and a liar but there is no evidence of larceny. His famous statement, “I am not a crook” referred to his predecessor Lyndon Baines Johnson, who was a crook and on a massive scale.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  22. SafeNow says:

    Sure, presidential actions can enhance a president’s political status, but what if the action is not merely political, but as directly political as conceivable: Against the leading rival in an upcoming election. In other words, was Joe Biden exempt? Why or why not? It seems to me this is the crux of it. This reminds me of the ending of the movie 2010. The higher power sends a message: “Attempt no landing on Europa. All other worlds are yours to explore.” Was Biden like the higher power — attempt no landing on Biden.

  23. Corvinus says:
    @TGD

    Russian bot alert –> Nixon was not a crook.

    “He was paranoid and a liar but there is no evidence of larceny.”

    Congress did not charge him of that crime. Rather, there was clear and convincing evidence of obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @WJ
  24. This impeachment has nothing to do with Trump. It is all about desperation of Democrats.
    Democrats have a mortal fear of Republicans winning the presidency.
    Two Jewish female Judges in Supreme court Sleeping beauty and Sotomayer with highest probability will be incapable to hold their positions for next four years. Two new conservative Judges in Supreme Court is such a nightmare for Democrats that they are not only unable to sleep, they actually are loosing their mind.
    That is why Peloshi has chosen two most capable Jews Schiller and Nadler to lead the impeachment.

  25. @Corvinus

    “Rather, there was clear and convincing evidence of obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.”

    Not holding Congress in contempt is proof in itself of one’s irredeemably criminal nature. It is simply psychologically impossible to hold too low an opinion of Congresspersons.

    And refusing to answer their impertinent questions is not “obstruction of justice” but just the opposite. Trump’s ignoring Congress’ subpoenas affirms his profound respect for Justice.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  26. Rebel0007 says:

    @Cornivus

    Again, I state that it appears that you have the facts backwards and refer you to my second reply to your line of circular logic.

    I will not re-litigate a case that I have already won.

    You are just a sore loser. You just refuse to accept that their was no legal basis for the investigation, when all evidence proves that this was nothing but an attempt for “protection” in the event that Trump won, admitted by the other Page, who you also have conveniently forgotten about in Operation Cross Fire Hurricane!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  27. The high crimes and misdemeanors are clearly in the heads of the accusers, and no where else.

  28. Rebel0007 says:

    @Carnivus

    Mifsud is still MIA, who Assange was tweeting about, a professor that met with Carter Page, that claimed to have ties to the Russian government, and claimed that Page did as well! This is all hocus pocus! Making magic anti-Russian/ Russian double agents appear and vanish right before your eyes!

    Making the Truth – Assange disappear right before your eyes!

  29. @Corvinus

    “seeking Biden dirt” = exposing truth of Obama administration corruption.

    Since when is it “improper” to expose the truth of government corruption. The whole premise of the quid pro quo theory is nonsense.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  30. @KenH

    Trump’s main problem is that his family is too white – and blond (orange) to boot. If he could talk Ivanka and Jared into adopting a nigger baby, his troubles would be over.

  31. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Since when is it “improper” to expose the truth of government corruption. The whole premise of the quid pro quo theory is nonsense.”

    Actually, government corruption in the Ukraine was not at all on Trump’s radar UNTIL he felt it would politically benefit him to send in his own team, rather than go through the proper channels, to “investigate”.

    You are being hoodwinked.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  32. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “Not holding Congress in contempt is proof in itself of one’s irredeemably criminal nature.”

    No, it is your opinion, not proof. Now, show me where in the constitution where there is a mechanism to hold the ENTIRE Congress “in contempt”.

    “And refusing to answer their impertinent questions is not “obstruction of justice” but just the opposite. Trump’s ignoring Congress’ subpoenas affirms his profound respect for Justice.”

    LOL. It really is fascinating for alleged “rule of law” types to twist and contort the legal system for the benefit of Trump’s actions. In essence, you are supporting something that past presidents and legal scholars have found to be other than above board. The reality is that his conduct affirms his abject disrespect for Justice.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  33. Corvinus says:
    @Rebel0007

    “You just refuse to accept that their was no legal basis for the investigation…”

    I will admit, projection is your strong suit.

    “when all evidence proves that this was nothing but an attempt for “protection””

    You are completely out of your element here. It’s tragic.

  34. @Corvinus

    government corruption in the Ukraine was not at all on Trump’s radar UNTIL he felt it would politically benefit him to send in his own team

    So? Nothing is on any politician’s radar unless he think it will “politically benefit him.” The problem with this formulation is that it “proves too much” because it would basically make all politics illegal.

    Heck, the Dems are impeaching Trump for trying to investigate Biden because they claim Trump acted for political advantage. But the Dems themselves only investigated Trump over Russia in order to get a political advantage. And they are only impeaching him now to try to get another political advantage in 2020.

    So Democrats investigating their opponents for political gain is just good government, but if the opponent investigates them it is a “High Crime.” It’s just the old Who, Whom?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  35. Rebel0007 says:

    @Cornivus

    Since all that you offer is circular logic, including non sequiurs, you are obviously not only completly out of your element, but out of your mind as well. Sore loser Democrat! End with an insulting non sequitur! Typical! The whole world is laughing at the DNC! Waste your life! Go right ahead! One life to live and you choose to waste it defending lies and loss of liberty! Making America Suck More! Just for the sake of loyalty to psychopaths! So long sucker! Enjoy being Biden’s bitch!

  36. @Corvinus

    Remember, IG Michael Horowtiz: “We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that indicated political bias or improper motivation influencing his decision to open the investigation.”

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  37. @Curmudgeon

    Obviously, you are not familiar with government speak.
    The statement ranks right up there with ” We have seen no evidence of …”. My first question to that is “Have you looked for it?”, which is usually followed by crickets chirping.
    Why would anyone expect to find documentary evidence of political bias? Who would be stupid enough to write a memo declaring political bias? The same goes for improper motivation. No one is stupid enough to write a memo declaring improper motivation. Do you really think anyone, including Bruce Ohr, who went outside of his ‘jurisdiction” to be the go-between, is going to testify that he was politically motivated or improperly motivated, much less leave a paper trail?

    There were already rumors of corruption when Trump fired Yovanovitch. Why wouldn’t a President want to know if taxpayer money was being misused? He would be derelict if he did not. What nobody wants to go near was Trump’s request to find the DNC server held by Crowdstrike, and help get it to the FBI. If that happens, the DNC will be buried in 2020.

    By the way, Biden is no more a “political rival” that you are to Trump. Biden holds no office, and has yet to receive his party’s nomination for the presidential election. He ranks with Antifa and Black Lives Matter on the scale of political opponent.

  38. President Donald Trump will be impeached because he won against the “queen of darkness,” Hillary Clinton. That’s his only “crime.” After the Mueller hoax stranded, the representatives of the Deep State came up with a CIA agent, dressed in Democratic Party garments, to publish a letter, which would have just been for the toilet. Still, it had gold value for the Grand Inquisitors, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, and Jerrold Nadler. The Democratic Party seems so desperate to start this impeachment scam to hope for a win in 2020. They should be careful that this scam doesn’t fall on their feet. If they don’t dump the corrupt Joe Biden, they get the shock of their life.

  39. One might consider this an example of chickens coming home to roost. Republicans set the precedent for “Purely Partisan Impeachment” when they went after Bill Clinton.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  40. Corvinus says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “So? Nothing is on any politician’s radar unless he think it will “politically benefit him.””

    Except that presidents prior to Trump did not engage in his particular action–using underlings through backchannels to get information about political rivals. Moreover, if it is so “above board”, i.e. commonplace, why stonewall the investigation? Why would a plethora of witnesses who are privy to past presidential behavior and the law testify in detail how Trump’s conduct is beyond the pale? And, why are Trump senior aides further restricting the number of administration officials allowed to listen to the President’s phone calls with foreign leaders? How is that transparent?

    “The problem with this formulation is that it “proves too much” because it would basically make all politics illegal.”

    No, the problem is now the Overton Window is being moved. Trump’s particular action was NOT a regular occurrence done by past chief executives; rather, it was patently irregular.

    “Heck, the Dems are impeaching Trump for trying to investigate Biden because they claim Trump acted for political advantage.”

    Which is patently irregular given the circumstances.

    “But the Dems themselves only investigated Trump over Russia in order to get a political advantage.”

    No, they investigated him based on information from an intelligence analyst, the CIA, and the FBI.

    “And they are only impeaching him now to try to get another political advantage in 2020.”

    No, they are impeaching him because of his clear and utter disregard, along with his henchmen, for the rule of law.

    You are in WAY over your head here. Quit while you are behind.

    So Democrats investigating their opponents for political gain is just good government, but if the opponent investigates them it is a “High Crime.” It’s just the old Who, Whom?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  41. @Rex Little

    Fair enough. I thought Newt Gingrich was making a bit of a mistake at the time myself. But in that case, there was at least one lone crime: felony perjury. That’s still more than the Dims have got on Trump.

  42. @Arioch

    I see I’m not the only one here getting the feeling that this whole impeachment thingy is a big Punch-and-Judy show being staged for us rubes in the Heartland. It’s almost like a sitcom that’s finally jumped the shark!

    And now it’s time for That Washington Show with your guest-host, Donald Trump. In tonight’s episode, Nancy Pelosi is rescued by Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham after allowing Adam Schiff to back her party into a corner. An enemy in need is a friend indeed!

    But first, a word from our sponsors, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman.

    So don’t touch that dial! We’ll be right back.

    • LOL: gsjackson
  43. @Corvinus

    There is no blueprint for how the President and Congress interact. Each President challenges and complies with Congress as he sees fit. Some methods and means are found to be unconstitutional and some are not. The system was designed to be adversarial, like lawyers dueling in a court of law. That was supposed to be its strength and bastion against tyranny of any one branch of government. So what we are seeing is history in the making. If Trump is rebuked then that’s that and we move forward. We don’t prescribe all permissible behavior.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @SBaker
  44. @Corvinus

    Except that presidents prior to Trump did not engage in his particular action–using underlings through backchannels to get information about political rivals.

    Are you saying Obama ordering an investigation into Trump, and using the US Embassy in Ukraine to find dirt on Manafort after he joined Trump’s campaign, was not using underlings and back channels?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  45. Corvinus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “Are you saying Obama ordering an investigation into Trump, and using the US Embassy in Ukraine to find dirt on Manafort after he joined Trump’s campaign, was not using underlings and back channels?”

    Except those two things never took place. Try again.

    • LOL: Arioch
    • Troll: NobodyKnowsImADog
    • Replies: @SBaker
  46. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “There is no blueprint for how the President and Congress interact.”

    The blueprint is the Constitution.

    “Each President challenges and complies with Congress as he sees fit. Some methods and means are found to be unconstitutional and some are not.”

    With the rule of law being championed.

    “The system was designed to be adversarial, like lawyers dueling in a court of law.”

    The system was designed to be symbiotic, with checks and IF and WHEN it became adversarial.

    “So what we are seeing is history in the making.”

    Indeed. Trump has been running a unique brand of roughshod over past chief executive practices.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  47. @Corvinus

    You are so funny. Yes there is constitution. The problem is with interpretation of constitution.
    You will not find two lawyers that would interpret constitution equally.

  48. WJ says:
    @Corvinus

    Defending Nixon now, is somehow now cast as a Russia Bot thing???? Full scale clown world.

  49. Still, it is absurd to declare U.S. national security as threatened by a Russian presence in Crimea or in the Russian-speaking Donbass.

    I think they tell you the truth in your face, but you don’t get what they tell you.
    “National Security” means the security of Israel and the “global agenda” of course, given you have so many double passport holders in your corrupt circus.

    You basically sit on a ship( yes, legally it is appropriate to use this metaphor), and you got a bunch of international travelers on board, who drill each day a hole in the hull.
    The ship crew goes out everyday to pump out the water and fix the hole, they put a new captain in charge, new buckets and pumps are installed.

    However, the captain and crew for some strange reason don’t try to remove those idiot international travelers who drill these holes each day in the hull. Besides that, another good idea would be to get off the ship altogether, and do law of the land again. Naval power is over.

  50. SBaker says:

    Nadler, Schiff, the Rosenbergs, and the old jewish media empire don’t have quite the power they thought. Trump may yet come out of this thanks to the Gentiles.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  51. SBaker says:
    @Corvinus

    Agree with Curm, the Obama Jafrican/Clinton crime families are behind the Trump attacks, and the old Jewish media empire are right with them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  52. nsa says:

    “Where are the High Crimes?” asks the geriatric Nixonite from his rest home bed. How about the traitor, Trumpstein, and his foul family serving the interests of a small foreign cult of vile cock cutters? Nepotism may not qualify as a high crime but treason sure does.

  53. Corvinus says:
    @SBaker

    “Agree with Curm, the Obama Jafrican/Clinton crime families are behind the Trump attacks, and the old Jewish media empire are right with them.”

    Then you’ve been flim-flammed. You do realize that Trump has a number of Jews in his administration, right? And that he caters to them, correct? So why are you defending him?

    • Replies: @SBaker
  54. MEexpert says:
    @SBaker

    Nadler, Schiff, the Rosenbergs, and the old jewish media empire don’t have quite the power they thought. Trump may yet come out of this thanks to the Gentiles.

    I disagree. They have shown their power. The articles of impeachment are before the house. Furthermore, their power lies in the fact that they can pass articles of impeachment against Trump and at the same time Trump is giving away the farm to the Jewish land. The latest act being the new executive order against school campuses. He has already given away, the West Bank, Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, and the Iran Nuclear deal.

  55. MEexpert says:

    In what possible way is Ukraine critical to the US National Security? Russia can wipe out Ukraine from the map tomorrow and the US will still be standing and discusssing Trump impeachment.

  56. Precious says:
    @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that the transcript is prima facie quid pro quo.

    Unfortunately for the Trump haters, Schiff’s impeachment report has already established that any quid pro quo between Trump and Ukraine was for the benefit of the American people, not Trump’s personal benefit.

    It wasn’t about Trump trying to stamp out ALL corruption in the Ukraine, it was about trying to get information about a potential political opponent.

    Wrong, it was not to get information about a potential political opponent, it was to get information on any crimes committed by the previous vice-president of the United States in the Ukraine.

    Democrats know BRIBERY fits these facts perfectly

    As Steve pointed out, metaphysical bribery.

    Remember, IG Michael Horowtiz: “We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that indicated political bias or improper motivation influencing his decision to open the investigation.”

    The IG report is a bombshell, and the beginning of the end of the Democrats hopes of winning back the presidency in 2020. Horowitz documented many crimes by the FBI in continuing the investigation after they opened it. That is why Durham is conducting a criminal investigation. He can go places where Horowitz can’t, including overseas.

    Yet, Bill Barr is having a conniption fit, despite saying prior to the report that he would accept its findings regardless. LOL.

    On the contrary, Barr is very pleased with the good work of Horowitz, and so am I. The Mueller report showed that the Russia collusion theory didn’t have the evidence to support charges, the Horowitz report showed that the FBI fabricated evidence for the Russia collusion theory to keep it going, and next up Durham will help Barr and Trump punish the culprits.

  57. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass

    America is on the verge of a New Economic Revival, due in MOST part to the RE/engineering of the NAFTA treaties. Trumps NEW Deals with Nafta and CHINA will guarantee MOPRE and better opportunities for American workers and Farmers (the core of Trumps Base). IF Trumps is REelected that will mean Revamping, REmaking the American INTERNAL Economy like strategic key infrastructure, education, health, a new era of Space exploration with a push for new scientific break troughts, and ONLY Trump can give the country an urgent INMIGRATION reform that will be Merit base system, a LEGAL system that will allow the legalization of the 11 millions, DACA, TPS and other illegal aliens in the country emphasizing legality, LAW,order and assimilation.. Meanwhile the DEMs have managed to dig themselves into the MUD, with endless impeachments hearings in many different congressional commitees without any legitimate substance. Will the USA Senate allow themselves to be part of this circus maximus?? this charade? …DEMs have only manage to block any key legislations regarding the well being of the wntire country over impeachment feverish delirium. DEMs destroyed any possibility for a USA+Russia+China coalitiosn in global affairs…DEMs pushed China+Russia together…and now the USA lost leverage in the world …

  58. SBaker says:
    @Corvinus

    Is it possible that some jews are honest and decent human beings?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  59. Corvinus says:
    @SBaker

    “Is it possible that some jews are honest and decent human beings?”

    Oh, I would say more than some. But a number of putz’s here think differently. Basically, to them, ALL Jews are con artists.

  60. SBaker says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Problem is the entire federal government has been hijacked by professional lawyer politicians. The lawyers run all branches of government and every new law and regulation is to the legal profession’s benefit.

    • Replies: @lysias
  61. @Rebel0007

    Steele wasn’t lying. He made it clear that he was just repeating gossip. The FBI then said his report was confirmed because it was repeated on the internet by people who had read it. There never was any there there. [email protected]

  62. lysias says:

    There is a textual disagreement, which I am unable to resolve, whether Horace used the future parturient or the present parturiunt.

  63. lysias says:
    @SBaker

    Our government has been run by lawyers since independence. John Adams was a lawyer, Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer, Abraham Lincoln was a lawyer, FDR was a lawyer.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  64. 36 ulster says:

    Statements. Assertions, Pat. Enough of your rhetorical questions.

  65. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “High Crimes” is meant to be the vague abstraction that is referenced on the road that Jewish journalists and politicians have taken us from

    “you’d better not elect him” to
    “oh no you didn’t” to
    “this investigation is warranted, trust us” to
    “this impeachment is warranted, trust us”
    (founded on another ostensible issue from that which founded the investigation).

    What I’m left wondering is when we are going to address Israeli meddling in our elections by the likes of Nadler, Schiff, and Sulzberger.

    The Israelis seem to be much more corrosively disruptive and have much more influence than the Russians.

  66. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    Given that Jewish-American influence has so clearly acted in a corrupt manner leading to the impeachment of POTUS in 2019,

    when do we get to re-litigate the influences that led a German-American Army to combat their cousins in WWII?

    • Replies: @SBaker
  67. SBaker says:
    @lysias

    Washington, Grant, Jackson, Eisenhower, Bush. The stranglehold is far deeper and wider today. I would expect you to know that.

  68. SBaker says:
    @Anon

    The other three African Muslim Semites were allies of the Jewish Semites, in case you have not noticed.

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