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“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully,” said Samuel Johnson.

And as it is with men, so it is with nations.

Monday, Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus response coordinator, projected some 100,000 to 200,000 U.S. deaths from the pandemic, “if we do things almost perfectly.” She agreed with Dr. Anthony Fauci’s estimate that, if we do “nothing,” the American dead could reach 2.2 million.

That 2 million figure would be twice as many dead as have perished in all our wars from the American Revolution to the Civil War, World War I and II, and Korea and Vietnam.

This does indeed concentrate the mind wonderfully.

Now add to this slaughter of our countrymen a market plunge steeper than the 1929 Crash and a 1930s-style Depression. Wall Street analysts are talking of a wipeout of 30% of our GDP and unemployment reaching 35%.

What a difference a month can make.

On March 3, Super Tuesday, we were caught up in the 14 primary contests after Joe Biden’s stunning victory in South Carolina, which broke the momentum of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ wins in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada.

What March 2020 produced and what it appears to portend is a sea change in U.S. history, an inflection point, an event after which things never return to what they were.

The coronavirus crisis seems to be one of those epochal events that alter the character of the country and the course of the republic.

Consider what has happened in three weeks.

The Republican Party, the party of small government and balanced budgets, approved with but a single dissent a $2 trillion emergency bill. There is talk now of a second $2 trillion bill, this one for infrastructure.

In a single month then, a Republican Senate and president grew the federal budget by 50% and are looking to double that.

For years, Democrats raised alarms about Trump’s poaching of the powers of the other branches. Now Democrats are demanding to know why Trump has not shut down the economy by presidential decree and not used his latent dictatorial powers to order U.S. companies to produce what the nation’s hospitals demand.

Democrats who long accused Trump of xenophobia and racism for seeking to close the borders to migrants entering the country illegally are now silent as Trump closes America to the world.

First Amendment free press champions are calling for Trump’s White House briefings not to be carried on TV because the president is spouting propaganda and lies. The problem: The people are watching and approving of what the media think the people ought not see.

If people in a crisis will jettison lifelong beliefs like this readily, how enduring will their professed belief in democracy itself prove?

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The president thinks this will be a V-shaped recession, that once the economy hits bottom and turns up, it will soar, as in 1946 when pent-up demand from World War II was unleashed and America began to churn out cars and consumer good as rapidly as it had weapons of war.

Perhaps. But put me down as a skeptic. You can’t go home again. The shattering events of March, followed by what is coming in April and May, will have lasting impacts on the hearts and minds of this generation.

That once-insatiable appetite for Chinese-made goods at the mall — will it really return? Will Americans, after having “socially distanced” for months from family and friends, be reassured of their safety and pack into restaurants in July?

Observing the carrier Theodore Roosevelt in Guam offloading scores of sailors infected with coronavirus, will Americans be up for a clash with a China that is even today asserting its claims to the South China Sea?

Will Americans who survive this crisis care whether Iranian-backed Shiites dominate Iraq or Saudi-backed Sunni prevail in Yemen?

If March shocked this nation as severely as 9/11, what is coming may be even more sobering.

Are millions of unemployed workers without the cash to pay for or to find medicine and groceries likely to stay indoors for weeks or months?

All those criminals being given early release from virus-infested jails and prisons without the means to provide for themselves and their families, how will they react to weeks of mandatory sheltering in place?

Will MS-13 and its thousands of members, and its rival gangs that live off narcotics sales, comply?

Americans have done well in staying home in March. Will they do so through April, May and perhaps June? Or will the system gradually break down just as the second wave of the virus in the fall appears?

In times of crisis in America, there is a tradition of self-sacrifice.

But there have also almost always been not a few whose mindset is that of the Fort Lauderdale spring-breakers.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Rurik says:

    Will Americans who survive this crisis care whether Iranian-backed Shiites dominate Iraq or Saudi-backed Sunni prevail in Yemen?

    when did they ever care Pat?

    Will MS-13 and its thousands of members, and its rival gangs that live off narcotics sales, comply?

    But there have also almost always been not a few whose mindset is that of the Fort Lauderdale spring-breakers.

    You’re equating MS13 orcs with college kids on spring-break?

    But your point (and the longer term impact of this virus) is a weighty one.

    There is a reason they’ve been importing MS13 thugs and millions of criminals. It’s called creating the problem so that you can bring in the ‘solution’

  2. melpol says:

    Civil rights organizations will gain unprecedented power when the nation goes into a deep recession. Washington wants to prevent civil disobedience in a nation where blacks are powerful street fighters. Black leaders will be hired by Washington and paid well. They will calm black trouble makers.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  3. I think we will get to a 1930s Germany even quicker.

    There will be opportunities for a new parties and movements as more people feel abandoned by the establishment. They could right, left or more likely something in-between or completely new. But they won’t be for open borders or globalism. The “minimal government” right will be out as well.

    The libertarian ideology will probably be the biggest loser in this. I say good riddance, we have enough work dealing with open borders leftists.

    Adios Rand.

  4. Cash says:

    It turns out the Florida Spring-breakers are the only group with sense left in this country.

    Americans will not stay in their houses for 3 months. Eventually people will start to look for other opinions online that verge from the Big Brother narrative that we must all isolate.

    Yes people will die. Everyone dies.

    I feel bad for the hundreds of thousands of people who have and are going to die and will not be allowed to spend their last days on this planet with their loved ones because the media hates that The Orange Man is in office.

    • Agree: AaronInMVD
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  5. A123 says:

    Christian America will emerge stronger.

    — The need to excavate raw materials locally has never been more clear. Thus, ends China’s exploitation of Rare Earth elements.
    — The need to manufacture locally has never been more clear. Thus, ends China’s exploitation via subsidized exports.

    What makes America strong?

    American industry making American Goods for American Consumers using American Raw materials.

    If Wall Street derivatives, CDO’s, and other Globalist UN/NWO fantasies ended tomorrow…. The United States and its Main Street citizens would prosper. Anti-American 1% Elite evil, like George IslamoSoros, would be wiped out. That’s not a bug, it is a feature, or even a bonus.

    PEACE 😷

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  6. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    “On March 3, Super Tuesday, we were caught up in the 14 primary contests …”

    Um, not all of us, as the author should know from our comments.

    Now that his Beltway political sports-balling seems tacky, Mr. Paleoconservative is asking equally cliche, apocalyptic questions to hype the Coronavirus dempanic for the Establishment. How can he write about the recent and rumored further legislation without mentioning its provisions, that it’s by and large another bailout for the owners of the Washington puppet show?

  7. Now let’s look closely at what has really happened.

    (1) Americans show a willingness to go along with relatively strict measures that will not necessarily guarantee, but will provide some measure of security.

    This shows that we are a people with a great deal of common sense. As Pat has said, the Hive Mind is focused.

    (2) Along with that comes a Spirit of Sacrifice.

    People are willing to give up some freedoms and some wealth for individual and collective security.

    (3) Having sacrificed, Americans will be in no mood to put up with anyone else’s shit.

    We will not accept any acting out by Hispanic gangs, black hoodlums etc. Many of us are well armed and can shoot straight. If they think they will run amok with impunity and if the Federal government won’t protect us, then local governments will. If they won’t then we will take matters into our own hands. And no one will blame us or protest—except the most deluded liberals—because they will sense and know that it is for the common good. And, yes, such a thing does really exist, Margaret Thatcher notwithstanding.

    So this focusing of the Mind carries more implications than it at first suggests. When we humans make sacrifices, we expects others to go along as well; and we are justified in thinking this way. If some of us in the lifeboat are willing to ration the water, then the brigand who cheats is universally despised. This is one of those things which all of us know to be indisputably right.

    I think that we will see a surge in co-operation and fellow feeling, because that’s who we EuroAmericans are. We will not sink into anarchy or riot, will in fact do anything to avoid them. I don’t just believe, but KNOW that Americans are fundamentally good people, especially the deplorables and those in flyover country. Those concentrated in Democratic controlled urban centers, I’m not so sanguine about. Not only are they incapable of providing for themselves but they have become accustomed to being cosseted and provided for. They won’t take to the notion of sacrifice readily.

    • Agree: Bookish1, SBaker, Swamp Fox
  8. Currahee says:

    “Margaret Thatcher notwithstanding.”

    ???

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  9. Please … someone disable the question-mark key on Mr. Buchanan’s keyboard.

  10. @John Johnson

    Whatever you can say against libertarians — and I agree they can seem naive or one-dimensional — they are in no wise the estabishment. The sole opposition to the final CARES stimulus bill came from the libertarian Thomas Massie and his friends. The need for strict measures in the crisis goes against them, of course, but the recovery from the crisis might not. They can point to their opposition to cronyism (“crony capitalism”) and the abuses of government surveillance and intrusion that are likely to occur. This experience will amplify the likely findings of Barr and Durham regarding “Deep State” abuses aimed not only at Trump but at many others, especially but not only on the right, over the years. The public may come to equate ‘socialism’ with those abuses.

  11. NPleeze says:
    @Cash

    Eventually people will start to look for other opinions online that verge from the Big Brother narrative that we must all isolate.

    But not when Twister, Jewgle, and Fraudbook all censor any views which don’t follow the Globalist agenda. Instead the Globalists will lobotomize them with an extra dose of 5G radiation. Unlike Europe, in USA we are lucky to have three different companies, maybe four, rolling out their mega-microwave networks, even a tin foil hat won’t protect you.

  12. Biff says:

    Same America? Sure, the plutocrats will still own everything, and they will still continue to pull the strings attached to their owned politicians, and they will still receive bailouts at tax payer expense because they own them too… And health care will still continue to be prohibitively expensive, because it is a monopolized scarcity owned by the .01%.
    Americans will still be meekly accepting the final take over by the corporate faciest state that rules by decree – the only difference is the rulers won’t be trying to hide it anymore…..

    • Agree: St-Germain
  13. The Spirit of Christ will overcome.
    That of self, and we’re undone.

  14. Exile says:

    I will always respect Pat for standing up to the neocons and paying the price, but the idea that the GOP is the party of “small government and balanced budgets” is fantasy-fuel. Their supposed budget-balancing concerns are all tactical, and it’s been that way since Pat worked in the White House. Election season brings out the worst GOP boosterism in him, not gonna change.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @anonymous
  15. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    “ .. the likely findings of Barr and Durham regarding “Deep State” abuses ..”

    Maybe you’re joking.

    No one beyond, say, a sacrificial Strzok was ever going to be charged with a crime. But now that the Establishment has the Coronavirus dempanic to work with, this scene has been cut from the puppet show. Even James Howard Kunstler, who was floating his “raft of indictments” fantasy every week, has moved on.

    I would love to be wrong.

    • Agree: Exile
  16. Realist says:

    When It’s Over, Will We be the Same America?

    We haven’t been the same America for decades.

    That horse has sailed. The ship is out of the barn.

    • Agree: Alfa158, Saggy
  17. Realist says:

    As I have said many times…America is on a shit slide to hell…perhaps the slide is almost over.

    • Agree: Sulu
  18. @A123

    What makes America strong?

    Theft.
    Braindrain. (While overlooking the regression to the mean, which at least explains why it looked needed in the first place)

    There’s not really much the WASP can clap itself on the shoulder for.
    But you get an honest jewish one, and that’s truely something!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  19. “Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully,” said Samuel Johnson.

    I thought Pat was going to suggest that we hang Congress.

  20. @jack daniels

    Whatever you can say against libertarians — and I agree they can seem naive or one-dimensional — they are in no wise the establishment. The sole opposition to the final CARES stimulus bill came from the libertarian Thomas Massie and his friends.

    Around half the GOP believes in core libertarian arguments including:
    a) Race doesn’t exist
    b) Minimal government works best
    c) Industry can be trusted to act on behalf of the public

    Most wealthy liberals are libertarian to some degree as well.

    Yes the GOP voted for the stimulus bill and they have also been voting to keep our healthcare system centered around profit and not the best interest of the public.

    They are basically libertarian light. I would point out that before Trump they really didn’t care about the borders.

  21. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    The libertarian ideology will probably be the biggest loser in this.

    Yep. Libertarianism will lose what little credibility it ever had. So it’s not all bad news.

    The dissident right will become even more irrelevant (if that’s possible) as it succumbs to crazier and crazier conspiracy theories and becomes more hate-filled.

    It’s also likely to be harder to convince people of the benefits of free markets.

    Socialism and/or various varieties of neo-fascism could be the big winners. It’s difficult to see any other ways that society will be able to be put back together again. One can only hope that we get socialism rather than neo-fascism.

    The idea that things will magically go back to normal seems pretty fanciful. Most of the jobs and small businesses that disappear will not come back.

    • Troll: Futurethirdworlder
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  22. @Fuerchtegott

    Theft.
    Braindrain. (While overlooking the regression to the mean, which at least explains why it looked needed in the first place)

    There’s not really much the WASP can clap itself on the shoulder for.

    Right other than creating practically everything in modern society the WASPS have done very little.

    When Anglo criminals were kicked off boats onto beaches they built Australia.

    Meanwhile hundreds of billions have gone into development aid for Africa and it is still nothing like Australia.

    But chalk it up to theft or some other nefarious reason if it helps you sleep at night.

    I’m sure Liberia will build a Sydney any day now. Right. Just a few more billion in aid. Globalists can’t be wrong.

    • Agree: Sulu
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  23. dfordoom says: • Website
    @A123

    Christian America will emerge stronger

    I suspect that Christianity will become even more irrelevant to people’s lives than it already is.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @anon
    , @Ozymandias
  24. @Realist

    how did the horse sail?
    LOL!

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  25. @Rurik

    Good to see that a wise man like you got in first this time.

    Three sage words (and great videos) from James Corbett (The Corbett Report). MEDICAL MARTIAL LAW!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  26. @dfordoom

    Neo-fascism has socialist elements (WWII Germany’s National Socialist Workers Party), which arose to oppose the Marxists. In any case it is better than the left wing socialism peddled by people like Bernie Sanders and AOC.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @dfordoom
  27. KenH says:

    The 2.2 million dead is based on a doomsday model. Need I remind people of all the times the world has ended and destroyed life on earth based on the same doomsday modeling of the global warming extremists?

    Trump is putty in the hands of the so called experts like Dr. Fauci and Deborah Birx but when the economy slides into an irreversible depression thanks to these ridiculous “shelter in place” orders then Trump will lash out and start blaming them and others but it could be too late.

    What should disturb people are the egregious violations of fundamental rights like assembling for church services and declaration of gun stores as “non-essential” businesses in some state. Constitutional rights don’t get put on ice in times of a pandemic. It’s really disappointing that Mr. Paleoconservative seems to care more about the economic impact than the long term damage to the Constitution.

    We’ve been hard on judge nappy here on Unz but he’s been sounding the alarm and getting it right on the implications of all the autocracy and authoritarianism we’ve seen from elected officials the last month.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  28. AaronInMVD says: • Website
    @Realist

    Get ready for yet another new one. A far poorer one. Now that it is gone, the “service economy” isn’t coming back. Get ready to compete with Asia in manufacturing, an effort that will be complete with far lower real wages as “Money printer goes Brrr.”

    • Replies: @Realist
  29. MEexpert says:
    @brandybranch

    how did the horse sail?

    On a Chinese ship.

  30. Rapunzel says:

    I hope not. America must be transformed… a lot. ZOG must go.

  31. @KenH

    Trump is putty in the hands of the so called experts like Dr. Fauci and Deborah Birx but when the economy slides into an irreversible depression thanks to these ridiculous “shelter in place” orders then Trump will lash out and start blaming them and others but it could be too late.

    Don’t know much about Birx, listened to her speak one time: she said “based on facts and evidence” so many times that I concluded she was reciting a script, sticking with the talking points. Blonde. Blue – eyed. Put in place by central casting.

    As for Fauci, he is “putty in the hands” of whomever wrote this script and is stage-managing the entire event.
    Fauci is Colin Powell at a time when black face has exceeded its shelf-life.

    Fauci’s influence on Trump? In my cynical opinion, the same people who are pulling Fauci’s strings are pulling Trump’s; he’s not running this show on his own steam.

    When the virus pandemic is resolved and the economy is in collapse, Fauci will be blamed.

    The puppet masters will detach the strings from Fauci’s ligaments and use them to bundle their loot, which they will haul to off-shore locations including China OBOR, special attention Israel, now home to centers of intelligence gathering and surveillance.

    or I’ll eat my kipa.

  32. Quebecer says:

    All that money being ‘printed’. Production and trade of real goods going down. Inflation, maybe even hyperinflation. And then when the dust clears, standards of living for everyone but the 1% will look like the 50’s with cellphones

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
    , @NPleeze
  33. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    Thank you follyofwar,

    As for the long term consequences of this pandemic, here Tucker ruminates over our government’s wisdom and priorities as the economy teeters on the verge of widespread collapse.

    Didn’t the American people elect Trump specifically because of this insanity?

    Handing out tens of thousands of work visas during an unemployment catastrophe is exactly what we’d expect Hillary to do, and yet this is the Trump regime- mocking the suffering of the middle and working class Americans (who voted for him), as he hands trillion$ to Wall Street in secret deals.

    (note to secret service, that is not a call to violence, but just an understandable artistic expression of exasperation ; )

    • Agree: Tono Bungay
  34. gsjackson says:
    @Currahee

    She famously said there’s no such thing as society. Ergo no such thing as the common good. Only individual well being or lack thereof. It’s generally viewed as taking libertarianism to an absurd extreme.

  35. Hail says: • Website
    @KenH

    I don’t know what the Unz policy is now on Reaction-button use (twelve hour window?), but, [AGREE].

    ________

    There is some kind of mass delusion going on.

    Given the expert consensus that the mortality rate for persons exposed to the virus of around 50 in 100,000, or 0.05% (and in the worst-case scenario, it could reach as high as the 0.2% range, say the experts), though since not all persons are ever exposed to any given virus, the final population-loss count will almost certainly be well under <0.1%, and these also almost entirely drawn from those of already in bad condition and the aged, the usual victims of opportunistic infections as in flu.

    Context: In countries with advanced age profiles, as much as 1.0% of total population dies every year.

    In Italy's case, we have reliable data on deaths going back a long way. Looking at the sixty-year period from 1960 to 2019, the mean death rate for Italy as a percentage of resident population was 0.98%, with a range of 0.92% to 1.07%. The three highest years for deaths (all at 1.07% of population) were logged in 2015, 2017, and 2019; it is no secret that Italy, along with the other Western nations, is aging, and death rates being accordingly higher is no surprise.

    The running average death rate in the 2010s for Italy was 1.03%. Marginal deaths due to the new coronavirus are unlikely even in a bad-case scenario to even show up in this statistic, with whatever slight upward movement being indistinguishable from the usual flux of such data.

    This is pure madness of an almost cartoonish sort, and classic mass hysteria. I would scoff at none who use the phrase "coup d’etat” to describe governments’ reaction(s) to this.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @anastasia
  36. @John Johnson

    I think we will get to a 1930s Germany even quicker.

    I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this. Germany was dominated by parties of “the left”, including the NSDAP. The Social Democrats were blamed, perhaps rightfully, for the failures of the new Wiemar Republic, and a large portion of the population were still wary of the Communists and their 1919 overthrow of the government. These were the “Big 3” political parties. Make no mistake, the NSDAP was a party of the “left”, but rather than being internationalists like the SD and KDP, they were nationalists. Labour is the basis of all wealth, not capital. That was the concept that terrified the (((international community))).
    That is irrelevant today, because the left/right paradigm is dead and buried. The globalists have infiltrated every political party. To illustrate that, think in these terms:
    – if trade unions were “left”, why were they opposed to all immigration 50 years ago, but not now?
    – if the USSR was “far left”, why didn’t they have open borders?

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @John Johnson
  37. JVC says:

    The Republican Party, the party of small government and balanced budgets,

    Did you forget a “sarc tag” there Pat?

    Simple answer to the lead question is no way. WE have been manipulated by the PTB for so long now that TPB think they can pull off anything–and they just might. From the MSM, expect no truth at all, and the vast majority of the alternative news is educated guesses at best. If anyone knows exactly what is going on, they are keeping it pretty close.

    Is this the last desperate gamble by an increasingly panic globalist cabal?? Maybe. Will the result be the long dreamed about one world government? Again, Maybe. Depends on if there is enough desire for freedom– life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness—left within the spirit of western man. Whatever the end result, though it is obvious to this observer that there is big trouble just ahead.

  38. @Exile

    the idea that the GOP is the party of “small government and balanced budgets” is fantasy-fuel.

    As is the idea that they are “conservative”. Just what is it that are they trying to conserve?

  39. The Republican Party, the party of small government and balanced budgets,

    It’s different when you know it’s a comedy.

    Hilarious.

    • Replies: @goldgettin
  40. PAX says:

    Thanks Pat. One can only hope that America sees the folly of Fed currency manipulation to allow for continued imports of trinkets from China. Keynes, frustrated with an inept Old Lady of Threadneedle Street (Bank of England), advocated “the socialization of investment.” That is not what this stimulus is about. It is somewhat about subsidizing the bankers and their bloated pocketbooks to find new investment opportunities. The Bush junior solution revisited. The failed sector of the economy is again rescued. The money changers remain well protected in the temple. Chase them out.

  41. @follyofwar

    Sanders is a fraud, as is AOC, and they aren’t “left wing”, they are globalists.
    There hasn’t been a true socialist government anywhere that believed in open borders. Sweden, before Olaf Palme sold out to multiculturalism, had very low immigration rates, as did Norway. Denmark got stuck with having to accept a flood of Muslims coming from France for better benefits, when it entered the EEC. The East Germans, Czechs, and Soviets didn’t have open borders like Sanders and AOC want.
    Real socialists understand homogeneity is needed to maintain social harmony. They also understand that immigration produces excess labour which lowers wages and working conditions. Socialists are not opposed to free enterprise, they are opposed to finance capital owning it. The basis of socialism is co-operatives, of which there are hundreds in the US, some quite large.
    Do not confuse Marxism (and Engelism) with socialism. Both considered nationalism as a product of capitalism, and both saw state control as necessary. The overwhelming majority of his contemporaries rejected those concepts, as socialism was supposed to be focused on the local economy first, then spread from there. Local focus is a miniature version of nationalism.
    No system is perfect, but nationalism requires some elements of socialism to be successful. That is not the case with finance capitalism, where everyone is disposable.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  42. “In times of crisis in America, there is a tradition of self-sacrifice.”

    36.2% of Americans are obese. Obesity implies little or no self-sacrifice

  43. Wally says:
    @dfordoom

    Not if the increasing, highly Christian Latin American ‘immigrants’ have their way about it.

    You’re engaging in irrational wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  44. Hibernian says:
    @John Johnson

    When Anglo criminals were kicked off boats onto beaches they built Australia.

    Those criminals were predominantly Irish Catholics.

    • Replies: @Ahem
  45. Realist says:
    @AaronInMVD

    Get ready to compete with Asia in manufacturing, an effort that will be complete with far lower real wages as “Money printer goes Brrr.”

    We have been doing that for some time.

    • Replies: @AaronInMVD
  46. Thomasina says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “Labour is the basis of all wealth, not capital.”

    YES!

    Ever since financialization took over in the 80’s, along with globalism, the elite have made money from money. On the churn, skimming, fraud.

    Governments and corporations, aided and abetted by the media, have robbed people of their hard-earned labour.

    The elite from both Left and the Right are joined at the hip now.

    Thanks for posting.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  47. SafeNow says:


    Oh what a time that was, what a time. Sliding downhill since then. And now, a sudden, massive increase in the unraveling.

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  48. Which America will we be or not be the same as, Pat, #48 or —>

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @RadicalCenter
  49. AaronInMVD says: • Website
    @Realist

    Well, up until now the US hasn’t been trying to compete with Asian industry on labor costs. That’s the big change. Sure, the US has a long way to go to meet Cambodia, but enough currency devaluation to meet China, South Korea, and Vietnam seems well on its way these past couple weeks.

    • Agree: Realist
  50. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    Mr. Buchanan’s long ceased to be dissident, or even insightful. His columns serve as nothing more than a choice of general topic for the commenters, with the exception of GOPinatas like the one you and several others have spotted today.

  51. swamped says:

    “That 2 million figure would be twice as many dead as have perished in all our wars from the American Revolution to the Civil War, World War I and II, and Korea and Vietnam”…counting only Americans. In total there were over 20 million killed in WW 1, over 70 million killed in WW2, 5 million in Korea, 3 million in Vietnam: over 100 million total. Highly unlikely the Wuhan plague will approach those numbers overall or “portend.. a sea change in U.S. history, an inflection point, an event after which things never return to what they were”…any more than those “epochal” wars did. Germany & Japan & Russia relatively quickly emerged from total devastation, stronger than ever.
    It takes more than three weeks to “alter the character of the country and the course of the republic”. As late British PM Harold Wilson once observed, “A week is a long time in politics.”
    Will the “shattering events of March, followed by what is coming in April and May…have lasting impacts on the hearts and minds of this generation”..? “Perhaps. But put me down as a skeptic.”

  52. Smith says:

    I hope America will become stronger after this and disrupt the chinese supply chain.

    But I’m not holding out hopes, there’s no nationalist leader in US, they just follow the marching leaders of the jewish corporations.

  53. Saggy says: • Website
    @Realist

    The America of the 1st half of the 20th century is gone ….


  54. KenH says:

    It goes without saying that America wouldn’t be having much of an issue with COVID-19 if not for our invite the world immigration policy that gives us 300K Chinese students and many times that number as immigrants. Outside of about one outlier like Louisiana, states with little racial diversity have the fewest cases of COVID-19. Exotic viruses are just part of the vibrancy that mass immigration brings us.

    COVID-19 would be easier to combat if we had perhaps 100 million fewer people, a higher white percentage and our cities weren’t multiracial anthills.

  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    Neo-fascism has socialist elements (WWII Germany’s National Socialist Workers Party), which arose to oppose the Marxists.

    True.

    In any case it is better than the left wing socialism peddled by people like Bernie Sanders and AOC.

    After a few years living under neo-fascism we’ll know if you’re correct. We won’t be able to do anything about it but at least we’ll know.

    I think that I’d prefer to risk a Bernie Sanders rather than a neo-fascist but I guess that depends on the neo-fascist. Maybe we’ll get a nice cuddly warm fascist.

    The problem with fascism is that it appeals to certain personality types who think they’ll be the ones wearing the brown shirts.

  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Curmudgeon

    There hasn’t been a true socialist government anywhere that believed in open borders.

    I’d hit the Agree button but Agrees are rationed around here now. But I agree with pretty much everything in your comment.

    • Agree: Eugene Norman
  57. @Curmudgeon

    What I think we are headed for is a fight between:
    Globalist left
    Nationalist workers party or movement
    Remains of right which starts to lean nationalist out of desperation

    The NDSAP was a clever route against the globalist left. The conservative strategy then as today wasn’t a threat to the left.

    The only way forward is a nationalist left or worker’s populist party. The “minimal government” right has too many problems and eventually loses to the left strategy. It can only defeat the left through anti-democratic measures. Otherwise the left just denigrates the populace and then imports voters.

    I’m also not taking sides here. Just stating what I think will happen. I am certainly anti-globalist however.

    if the USSR was “far left”, why didn’t they have open borders?

    Well technically anyone could move there but no one really wanted to except for a few loons and starving artists. They had their own plans for expansion.

    But they don’t really fit on today’s far left / far right axis.

    Globalist left today is a completely different beast. They don’t believe in communism and really just want to power over White countries. Weirdly enough they seem to be fine with the traditional Western model in Asian countries.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  58. The Scalpel says: • Website

    I have been working in a temporary hospital intended to handle the overflow of local hospitals in Fort Lauderdale. They closed the beaches and sent the spring breakers packing. All the restaurants and most stores are closed. The streets are empty. People are staying home. They are doing a fairly good job. There is no overflow at this point, though it is gradually working up to it. It could have been worse there at this point.

  59. @Quebecer

    The idea of inflation with 30% unemployment is nonsense. Even if trillions of dollars were printed the money supply could still contract.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  60. Ahem says:
    @Hibernian

    @Hibernian #45

    Bullfeathers.

    Check the list of names of Australia’s First Fleet prisoners. Most of them were from the southern counties of England.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  61. @Eugene Norman

    it all just goes into oligarch’s bank accounts and sits there – thus no inflation, except in the price of yachts and private jets

  62. NPleeze says:
    @Quebecer

    There’s no way they will have inflation, that is done in saver societies to rob savers (the middle class) of their wealth (the rulers know in advance the inflation will happen – since they cause it – and convert all their cash into assets to protect themselves). In a debtor society, like the West today, they will never have inflation – imagine if there were, then suddenly you can earn the $200,000 to pay off your mortgage in one hour. No way is that happening! NO WAY!

    Instead, it is now predicted that by summer 30% of home mortgages will be in default. Not to mention leases, commercial properties, etc. We are a debt society – and that debt is held by – the banks (i.e., the rulers). They printed that debt out of thin air.

    So they will simply foreclose on all those properties, and turn the owners into renters – the middle class into peasants. All while introducing their global digital currency and their global government – to combat COVID-19, that dreadful farce of a disease.

    End of the day it’s a win-win-win-win-win – for the ruling oligarchs – and a lose-lose-lose-lose-lose – for the boot-licking peasants all gung-ho about martial law (and, unfortunately, everyone else they are dragging down with their hysterical idiocy).

  63. frankie p says:

    Pat Buchanan, is difficult to understand. I was going to say ‘full of shit as usual’, but I really admired Pat and his views for quite a long time. Not so much today. Buchanan is a perfect example of a public figure who spoke out strongly against Jewish political power as a force that acted against the interests of the United States. He spoke loudly and eloquently against the forces that pushed America into endless wars and regime change for the interest of Israel, against the destabilization of the Middle East. He was attacked and pilloried for being an anti-Semite. Instead of sticking to his guns and his desire to seek the best path for his nation, he bowed his head and stopped his criticism. Now we have shit like this:

    “That once-insatiable appetite for Chinese-made goods at the mall — will it really return?”

    “Observing the carrier Theodore Roosevelt in Guam offloading scores of sailors infected with coronavirus, will Americans be up for a clash with a China that is even today asserting its claims to the South China Sea?”

    You and Steve Bannon, Pat, you make quite a pair. A pair with influence and a penchant for truth-telling when it came to nefarious Jewish actions, whether is was Bannon’s constant statement that no Wall Street or Big Finance CEO paid for the financial crisis of 2008, or your constant comments about how Jewish influence in the US has co-opted our foreign policy to the massive detriment of US interests and image in the rest of the world. Now you both parrot an anti-China stance.

    Let me tell you, Pat. First quote above: the Americans don’t have and never have had an insatiable appetite for Chinese-made goods. They are materialists who want to consume. Do you think they were poring over the products at Walmart looking for “Made in China” before they were willing to purchase? They want cheap goods, regardless of where they are made. Second, if you Sinophobes succeed in building a movement against Chinese-made goods, people will be buying cheap goods made in Vietnam, Indonesia, Pakistan, Africa and a host of BRI countries by Chinese companies.
    But I don’t think that’s going to happen. I think the American plebs, after being taken down a few economic pegs by this coronavirus event while Wall Street, Big Finance and the huge Corporations retain their profitability after the massive bailouts that will benefit them, will go to Walmart and buy whatever cheap products they see, the cheaper the better. Shame on you for not attacking the beneficiaries of the $2 trillion bailout. Shame on you for not putting the focus on that. Shame on you for continuing your partisan rants about Democrats and Republicans, two diseased wings of the same H1N1 carrying sick bird that is the US today.

    Second quote: How many miles is it from a US coast to the South China Sea? Why have the Chinese been able to build an infrastructure for their people that puts the US and the rest of the world to shame, with more miles of high speed rail lines than the rest of the world combined, new highways linking all cities, even second and third tier, a telecommunications system that is the best in the world, and an industrial base that manufactures everything that the world consumes. Perhaps they have accomplished this because the government, the evil CCP that is vilified by all US media, politicians, establishment figures, have invested in their own country instead of building military bases all over the world. WTF are we doing in Japan, Korea, and Guam, as well as Iraq, Afghanistan and the other 100 or so countries where we have bases and troops. I will tell you what we’re doing: we’re bleeding. We’re bleeding out the resources that should have been invested in our country, in our people, in our future.

    Same sad tune, from a sad old man. One more thing, Pat. You will be remembered in the media, internet, etc. as an anti-Semite. You should have stuck by your guns and worn the badge as one of honor, which it is.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  64. frankie p says:
    @melpol

    Let’s see what happens if they ever crawl out of their ghettos and make a move for more rural areas. Then we’ll see what kind of “powerful street fighters” they are. The white deplorables are the gun owners, and Washington will be more concerned with “civil disobedience” of a more organized form from the red areas of the nation. The blacks are easily appeased with a few gibmedats.

    • Replies: @melpol
  65. frankie p says:
    @A123

    Not sure what you’re talking about. Will the US somehow magically impregnate the crust of the United States with more Rare Earth Metals. Just conjure it up and start to excavate? Do you know anything about the locations and sizes of the resources for Rare Earth Metals?

    China and Russia account for over 50% of the world’s mining reserves. Vietnam and Brazil come in at another 30% or so. The US? Around 1%

    “Anti-American 1% Elite evil, like George IslamoSoros, would be wiped out. That’s not a bug, it is a feature, or even a bonus.”

    Good to see you finally becoming a rational American anti-Semite. What percentage of the “Anti-American 1% Elite evil” is Jewish, in your opinion? Just for kicks and giggles.

  66. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The family photograph you selected represents only one part of American society. In other words, you are idealizing it. Nostalgia can be a mother. The fact of the matter is that America at that time consisted of a wide range of experiences, ones that do not match up perfectly to the picture you purposely selected.

    • Replies: @Bel Riose
    , @SolontoCroesus
  67. These are apocalyptic times. But don’t forget the sword: it will kill far more efficaciously than pestilence. The runes of history are there to be read.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  68. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “What should disturb people are the egregious violations of fundamental rights like assembling for church services and declaration of gun stores as “non-essential” businesses in some state. Constitutional rights don’t get put on ice in times of a pandemic. It’s really disappointing that Mr. Paleoconservative seems to care more about the economic impact than the long term damage to the Constitution.”

    Except the measures taken are not authoritarian and not “egregious violations” of our rights. What we see here is the social contract being played out. Citizens entrusted government to keep them safe and secure, i.e. the general welfare. The course of action, while seemingly harsh to us given our unmolested freedom to move, is required at this juncture. If normal activities had resumed, there would be dire consequences, as Covid-19 is entirely new and would spreading even quicker among the population. Either way, our economy, as well as the global economy, would come unglued.

    Furthermore, I keep hearing from a number of posters here offering their sentiments akin to”we no longer live in America” and that our Constitution is “long and buried”, so how can there be further damage to something that no longer exists?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @KenH
  69. You and Steve Bannon, Pat, you make quite a pair. A pair with influence and a penchant for truth-telling when it came to nefarious Jewish actions, whether is was Bannon’s constant statement that no Wall Street or Big Finance CEO paid for the financial crisis of 2008, or your constant comments about how Jewish influence

    Well if you don’t like Pat then go comment on one of a dozen ongoing Joo Hatin’ articles on Unz.

    It’s not like you guys are suppressed here.

    Last I checked Pat was a Catholic of some sort so it shouldn’t be a surprise that he doesn’t open every article about how the Jews are to blame.

    Why anyone would write a thousand words on why they don’t like someone is the real question. Just go somewhere else.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  70. melpol says:
    @frankie p

    Big cities after dark belongs to the blacks. Whites will only come out in daylight. Black home invaders have military experience gained in Iraq. They now use tear gas and explosions to force the victims to open their doors. Store gates are pulled off by vehicles with chains. One hundred million poor and hungry malcontents cannot be stopped by Shotguns. It wont be a turkey shoot. All this mayhem can be avoided if there are guaranteed wages for the brothers and sisters.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  71. @melpol

    When Blacks riot they go for soft targets.

    In the Detroit riots they knew that the stores on 12th street were heavily owned by unarmed and sympathetic Jews.

    Black criminals are not as dumb as liberals think. Yes some really dumb ones make the news but most are smart enough to not go look for targets in heavily armed White suburbs.

    If there is rioting they will go after the unarmed urban White liberals that live near them. Ironically those are the same liberals that walk around thinking that Black people love them. White liberals and Blacks might have to sort out some issues together. The rest of us will watch the results on youtube videos where liberals are running like frantic deer and realizing how stupid they were to oppose guns.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  72. Bel Riose says:
    @Corvinus

    1. According to who/whom?

    2. Sources?

    3. And what are YOU going to do about it?

  73. @Corvinus

    I merely copied the photo from a previous comment, as noted.

    I was the age of the kids in that photo, in that era, and I still have the reel-type mower my Dad used, but our family life was not exactly like the photo: I remember going to shops on the edge of “downtown” where my Mother patronized Italian stores — small, rather gloomy places with wood floors, a barrel of olives just inside the door; salted fish stiff as cardboard, and the mixed aromas of cheese and salami. I loved it. You can’t find shops like that in DC suburbs, but there are neighborhoods in cities in the Midwest where that ethnic tradition continues, cheek-by-jowl with Vietnamese Pho, Chinese groceries and even a Polish deli.

    But back to the scene from 60+ years ago: The edge-of-downtown district where we’d go had a few “girly clubs” — blacked windows and uninviting exteriors notable only by a sign above a door that usually depicted the silhouette of a naked female in a suggestive pose. These clubs were in the seedy part of town, and my mother would hurry us past those places, embarrassed.
    I never encountered that stuff in the local library that I used to walk to from our house where I plowed through Enid Blyton adventure stories.

    That was a point I was trying to drive home: today, the library I walk to from my house hosts drag queens. When I object to such programming to the director of the library, a lesbian (and an overweight slob), she listens with patronizing patience then informs me that, my objections be damned, this library will continue to have Drag Queen story hours. A nearby “installation art” venue holds events where the table-top is sprinkled with tiny penis cutouts and the straws are shaped like penises.

    Also in the run-down neighborhood where my Mother took me to shop, inevitably, we would pass men in wheelchairs, men with no legs, or arms, or men sitting on curbs with their heads wrapped in bandages. I’d ask my mother what they were all about, and she would respond, “They’re disabled vets.”

    Now, my Dad was a Disabled Vet; I knew that because our car had a license tag that said DAV.
    Most of the friends who came to our house and many of my male relatives were “in the DAV.”
    Most of those men were white.
    Today, around and in my neighborhood library that hosts Drag Queens, predominantly black males sleep in doorways and hang out in the park. Some things never change.

    A few snapshots of the other side of the street from that idyllic family in front of the brick cape cod.

  74. bluedog says:
    @Hail

    “Seven Days in May” comes to mind.!!!!

  75. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Except the measures taken are not authoritarian and not “egregious violations” of our rights. What we see here is the social contract being played out. Citizens entrusted government to keep them safe and secure, i.e. the general welfare.

    Are you conceding that you are incapable of protecting your own health and wellbeing?

    The course of action, while seemingly harsh to us given our unmolested freedom to move, is required at this juncture.

    Are you saying that USA stands for individual liberty but only under certain circumstances, and media and government authorities who wield power, indeed, who hold the franchise on enforcement by violence, are those who make the decisions on what those circumstances are.

    Is that what “We the People” . . . and “Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness” boil down to?

    If normal activities had resumed, there would be dire consequences, as Covid-19 is entirely new and would spreading even quicker among the population

    .

    Well sir, you are vesting credibility in the words of government authorities to sustain the belief that “Covid-19 is entirely new and would spreading” [emphasis on future tense, projection, unknown]
    The same government authorities who declared that Iraqis were tossing babies out of incubators;
    The same government authorities who declared that Iraq had nuclear and chemical weapons;
    The same government authorities who are still claiming that Assad deployed chemical weapons against his own people;
    The same government authorities who claimed that Qaddafi was a threat to his own people — just before they assassinated him and stole Libya’s gold.

    That’s who you believe and entrust with the power to ensure your ‘security’?

    Either way, our economy, as well as the global economy, would come unglued.

    THAT is the government you trust to impose draconian measures guaranteed to cause “our economy as well as the global economy to come unglued,” when a more measured, and honest assessment and response could better preserve both the “general welfare” and the economy.

    “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

    — to the extent that they are not damned fools.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  76. Dumbo says:

    It is pretty clear right now that what the elites want (using the corona as excuse) is to make us all “Asian”: wearing masks, being conformist, obeying to authorities, becoming socially isolated, being controlled by social credit, forced to eat bugs and other weird food in the name of “climate change” or perhaps after the poverty caused by the economic crash. This is what they want, a world of slaves! I’ve seen the future, and it is Asia.

  77. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    “I suspect that Christianity will become even more irrelevant to people’s lives than it already is.”

    In hard times people become more religious because it gives them hope and it doesn’t cost anything. Belonging to a religious denomination also has many other benefits which are obvious.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  78. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    What we see here is the social contract being played out. Citizens entrusted government to keep them safe and secure, i.e. the general welfare.

    The federal government can only promote the general welfare within the limited powers enumerated in the Constitution. That’s a fact left wing progs like you can’t seem to understand or simply ignore. It’s not a license for the government to do anything it wants under the pretext of “promoting the general welfare”. If that’s the case and I’m president then I could disenfranchise non-whites and left wing progs like you and defend it by saying I’m just promoting the general welfare (which I would be for patriotic white Americans).

    You also need to bone up on the history of the American revolution. The battle cry wasn’t “give us safety and security” but “give me liberty or give me death”. But on that note the federal government’s job is to secure and defend America’s borders and they’re doing a lousy job at that given the sheer number of illegal aliens and amount of illicit drugs coming across.

    So on the one hand you applaud the “security” you’re being provided by these COVID-19 lockdown orders then scream racism and tyranny when the government actually does what its supposed to do by building a border wall and deporting illegal aliens.

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  79. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    This comment of yours, even if it had been correctly directed to someone, is not an argument. It is defensive only in tone, not substance.

    This is a wide open forum. Are you unable to refute others’ criticism of Mr. Buchanan?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  80. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “Are you conceding that you are incapable of protecting your own health and wellbeing?”

    I am more than capable. However, I am able to maximize my protection of my and my family’s health and well being when assurances are made that my fellow community members are also meeting that obligation.

    “Are you saying that USA stands for individual liberty but only under certain circumstances…”

    The USA ideally seeks to stand for and protect individual liberty in all circumstances. In some cases, it has exceeded that expectation. In other cases, it has fallen woefully short.

    “and media and government authorities who wield power, indeed, who hold the franchise on enforcement by violence, are those who make the decisions on what those circumstances are.”

    You mean it is the will of the people who created the institutions of government and media and grant them power. Their way of enforcement is through the law.

    “Well sir, you are vesting credibility in the words of government authorities to sustain the belief that “Covid-19 is entirely new and would spreading””

    Covid-19 is entirely new. It would be spreading more rapidly without the measures in place, ones that some people find intolerable.”

    “The same government authorities who declared…”

    You listed four circumstances involving government decisions and foreign affairs as a red herring. The bottom line is that we have a biological threat and, in the interest of the general welfare of American citizens, certain actions deemed necessary are undertaken. Feel free to despise them, or even not follow them, realizing that there are consequences for one’s actions.

    “when a more measured, and honest assessment and response could better preserve…”

    You are entitled to your opinion.

  81. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “The federal government can only promote the general welfare within the limited powers enumerated in the Constitution.”

    Our nation is enduring a threat to our nation’s borders, as well as facing a health crisis. Under those two circumstances, the executive branch has discretion in the interest of national security. Currently, Trump is enabling states to make their own decisions as far as preserving law and order.

    “It’s not a license for the government to do anything it wants under the pretext of “promoting the general welfare”.

    Except the government is not doing “anything it wants”.

    “If that’s the case and I’m president then I could disenfranchise non-whites and left wing progs like you and defend it by saying I’m just promoting the general welfare (which I would be for patriotic white Americans).”

    Except that 1) that action on its face is unconstitutional and 2) no president would even make that effort.

    “The battle cry wasn’t “give us safety and security” but “give me liberty or give me death”.”

    By one patriot in the context of the lack of redresses by the British crown. By way of those words, there was the underlying assumption that King George III and Parliament was jeopardizing the safety and security of the colonists.

    “But on that note the federal government’s job is to secure and defend America’s borders and they’re doing a lousy job at that given the sheer number of illegal aliens and amount of illicit drugs coming across.”

    In this particular area, certainly. That falls upon the Trump Administration. Regardless, you are offering a red herring here. The bottom line is that you disagree with specific courses of action. I applaud you of your concern. Discuss those issues with your local and state officials, or get into contact with your representative or Senator.

    • Replies: @KenH
  82. @anonymous

    This is a wide open forum. Are you unable to refute others’ criticism of Mr. Buchanan?

    Are you unable to deny that there are always a dozen articles available for Jew haters?

    I have engaged the Jew haters here numerous times and I am convinced they are unable to engage in any level of objective analysis.

    In fact if you look through my history you will see that I have pointed numerous flaws in their skewed view of WW2 history to no avail. In fact it only angers them as they really have no interest in studying history and instead want to blame Jews for Western problems first and study history second or third at best.

    I’ve even had Jew haters here try to tell me Hitler’s opinion that I then had to correct with actual quotes from Mein Kampf or one of his speeches. Have fun looking through my history if you doubt any of this.

    So no I don’t take much stock in engaging the Jew haters here. There are other websites that actually do a much better job of scapegoating Jews. Unz Jew haters are actually rather amateurish as they don’t really bother with educating themselves to where Jewish influence actually exists and where it doesn’t before making their arguments. For example the undeniable Jewish influence in Libertarian publications is largely ignored while Jewish influence in Nordic leftist circles is exaggerated to a bizarre and irrational level.

    In case you are wondering unlike Mr. Unz I am not Jewish. I am American and Germanic in origin.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  83. anastasia says:

    The reason we had a pandemic is because they were insane before

  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Globalist left today is a completely different beast. They don’t believe in communism

    That’s the key point that so many on the far right seem to be incapable of grasping. Today’s globalist left does not believe in communism, or socialism, or in any actual left-wing policies.

    Fifty years ago today’s globalist left would have been recognised for what it is, a movement utterly hostile to the Left.

  85. anastasia says:
    @Hail

    The are driving the American public insane. I really feel sorry for those in nursing homes who cannot see their loved ones, and have to sit and watch television, and what is on television morning, noon and night. Media stations completely under the control of the pharmaceutical companies? Those poor souls in nursing homes will die not of a virus, but of fright.

    I think there is either no unusual danger, no unusual contagion, or no unusual virus. And this doctor has some very interesting things to say about this virus.


    Watch it until the end. He makes some interesting comments at the end.

  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anon

    “I suspect that Christianity will become even more irrelevant to people’s lives than it already is.”

    In hard times people become more religious because it gives them hope and it doesn’t cost anything.

    That used to be true. I’m not sure that it’s still true.

    Even if it is still true I can’t see people turning to Christianity. They’re much more likely to turn to religious cults, or to turn to crazy quasi-religious cults. Or even crazy political cults.

    Christianity is a discredited religion in the West. The West has been going to Hell in a handbasket for sixty years and Christianity is seen as having failed utterly to do anything about this.

    Christianity has not resisted the globalists or the SJWs. Christianity has not resisted immigration. Christianity has helped to enable these things. For most people Christianity is now so irrelevant that even in a time of crisis they’re unlikely to turn to it. And in the current crisis what exactly has Christianity offered?

    People are desperate for hope, certainly. But these days they invest their hopes in the new priesthood of doctors and scientists, and in magical thinking. They believe every nutter and quack and crank who claims to have a miracle cure for coronavirus. They don’t put their faith in God, they put their faith in some random guy on the internet who has a YouTube video explaining his miracle cure.

    They’re also more likely to turn to a charismatic political leader who offers them magical solutions. It’s significant that as religious belief declined in the West we saw the rise of popular belief in such charismatic leaders – people like Mussolini, Hitler, Churchill, JFK, Reagan, Trump. The British, God help them, even turned to Boris Johnson.

    Politics became the replacement for Christianity.

    Belonging to a religious denomination also has many other benefits which are obvious.

    Yes, like getting together and hanging up Refugees Welcome signs. And flying the Rainbow Flag over churches.

  87. @Adam Smith

    All government is instituted y God…the bible

    It is NOT a comedy, IT largely leans Tragedy.

    NOT FUNNY.Want to bet I is righter?

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    , @goldgettin
  88. Hibernian says:
    @Ahem

    I’ve checked the Wikipedia article on the First Fleet and if you count only the First Fleet I believe you are correct. However, transportation to Australia, especially Van Diemen’s Land (Tamsmania) continued for many years and there were many Irish prisoners. Gen. Thomas Francis Meagher (Union side, American Civil War) was, after having a sentence of hanging, drawing, and quartering commuted to life, transported to Tasmania in the late 1840s/early 1850s after a comic opera abortive Irish uprising in 1848. He escaped and came to the US, but was barred from returning to Ireland (or visiting Britain) throughout his life (ended by falling off a steamboat in Montana territory while serving as acting governor) because the British would not grant amnesty to an escapee.

  89. @goldgettin

    All government is instituted y God…the bible

    No, it’s not…

    The big book of genocide says many things…
    Do you believe in talking donkeys?
    Can’t believe everything you read in a fictional book…

    It’s shocking that Emperor Constantine would tell his subjects that biblegod ordained government…

    I’m really surprised that Constantine would do that…

    The Republican Party, the party of small government and balanced budgets,

    Anyone who says the Republican party is the party of small government and balanced budgets must be joking….

    Or delusional.

  90. @John Johnson

    In case you are wondering unlike Mr. Unz I am not Jewish. I am American and Germanic in origin.

    You sound like Alberich or Golum.

  91. Recently, I don’t trust Pat’s knowledge, reasoning, or even motivations.

    Hey Pat: first of all, how are the projected deaths based on sound medical reasoning and data?

    Second, how many of those projected to die already are elderly AND have a serious preexisting condition, I.e. comorbidity? How have the people whom you choose to blindly parrot decided how to attribute those deaths all to COVID-19?

    Third, how was Joe Biden’s victory in SC “stunning”? It was expected from the beginning, as African voters vote in a mindless monolith and always very high for Biden and very low for sanders.

    You’re either not well informed anymore, Pat, or misleading us.

  92. @jack daniels

    Neither socialism nor capitalism should be exclusively associated with ubiquitous surveillance and other police-state measures. Either economic system can comport with a police state, and obviously communism and fascism can as well.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  93. @John Johnson

    I have engaged the Jew haters here numerous times and I am convinced they are unable to engage in any level of objective analysis…. Have fun looking through my history if you doubt any of this.

    I heartily endorse the suggestion for our readers to have a look at the posting history of the “John Johnson” account, and the level of objective analysis he puts into his interminable screeds against the so-called “Jew haters” and wicked anti-Semites here at the Unz Review.

    A good example would be his comments on this article:

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_prof-kevin-macdonald-on-the-censorship-epidemic/

    In brief: “John Johnson” first claimed that Sweden, “where they don’t have Jews” but are leftist anyway, is proof of his thesis that Jews are not the real problem, but rather those ‘orrible white liberals. I then followed up with several posts with increasingly detailed information demonstrating that, contrary to his professed beliefs, almost the entire mass media in Sweden in fact just so happens (by pure coincidence, no doubt) to be owned by Jewish oligarchs. Our exchange culminated in this rather long post:

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_prof-kevin-macdonald-on-the-censorship-epidemic/#comment-3780889

    To me, this seemed a fairly solid case. However, the self-styled Germanic American “John Johnson” would not budge an inch on the issue.

    What sort of superior objective analysis did “John Johnson” deploy to refute my arguments? The curious may read and see.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  94. @Wally

    That must explain why they vote, when they vote at all, for the party more aggressively pushing unhealthy sexual deviancy (homosexuality), mental illness and self-mutilation contrary to one’s Gold-given nature (“transgenderism”), the diminution of the role of Christianity and traditional religion in public life, the use of “freedom of speech” to allow us and our children to be bombarded with pornography, vulgarity, disrespect for fathers and normal families, and glorification of empty selfish nonproductive sex on the public airwaves (TV and Radio), on billboards, on buses and bus stops, and of course the Internet and subscription TV.

    Then half the children of those sweet devout Latin American “Christians” quickly emulate US African gutter culture, en masse, within one generation.

    Now, what about the many Latin American immigrants (and descendants) who manage to resist this self-destructive, family-destroying, stability-destroying, prosperity-destroying gutter culture? Well, they are people we will need in our sociopolitical coalition in the new America going forward.

    Whether we wanted them admitted to our country or not, we will need each other desperately to fight off mass African violence and theft, to forcibly punish / stigmatize / marginalize and push sodomites and self-mutilators away from our children, to stop propaganda dividing men from women and atomizing us in a meankng,was, hopeless, drug/porn-addled existence. And of course, to remove from power any tiny minority that dominates and exploits us and allows the aforementioned to run amock.

    We will need each other to promote normal heterosexual families, honest small businesses, trusting well-defended neighborhoods, local charity, local production, local agriculture — and to defeat finance capitalism and globalism without turning to communism. Immigrants who are willing to help with all that, we must speak with them (in Spanish when necessary), get to know them, show we care for them as part of the national family.

    Many of the Latin American immigrants won’t be suitable for this purpose, and it is naive to think otherwise. Hence my opening paragraph. But whoever is open to our ideas — presented in their language, literally and figuratively — let’s unite to bring down the perverts, bankers, financiers, African parasites, war profiteers, and medical profiteers ruling us and corrupting our precious children.

    My conversations over the past decade in Southern California tells me that we can find such allies among the massive Mexican and Latin American society here, even if they are not the majority of that society. I’m talking about the people driving the buses in Los Angeles, a guy who cleans the building where I work, the Ex-Marine Mexican-American who manages a cafe near my work, a Brazilian man who is a chef at another restaurant near our home, the guy who’s my dental hygienist in Orange County, and a couple who recently joined our (Baptist) church.

  95. @SolontoCroesus

    Wholeheartedly agree. But see my comment at number 96. We must find the millions of Mexican and Latin American immigrants, overwhelmingly Christians, who also believe in the goodness, naturalness, and stability of the situation depicted in your first photo.

    I didn’t want them admitted to our country, but they are here in enormous and growing numbers and we are going to need each other.

    First to survive, then to rebuild a morally and economically healthier society on common principles: work, personal responsibility, public decorum and decency, ordered liberty, and compassion put into practice (public ownership of natural resources providing a universal basic income and medical insurance, serving a society of normal man-woman married couples raising children, running honest small businesses, tending gardens & small farms, and profitable but not abusive small businesses run by enterprising people connected and loyal to the community of their customers.

    Spanish and English may be coequal languages in this new society, and that’s not at all what I wanted. But we play the hand we’re dealt.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  96. Bookish1 says:

    Another inflection point is the rise of the internet and that is a biggie. The biggest of. Inflection points as far as I am concerned.

  97. Bookish1 says:
    @John Johnson

    Dont forget the great civil war between blacks and jews that has just begun.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  98. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Except that 1) that action on its face is unconstitutional and 2) no president would even make that effort.

    No, no, no, Corvy. You said that anything deemed to promote the general welfare IS Constitutional. It’s a very slippery slope and you just got caught in your own mousetrap.

    By one patriot in the context of the lack of redresses by the British crown. By way of those words, there was the underlying assumption that King George III and Parliament was jeopardizing the safety and security of the colonists.

    No, it was no taxation without representation not no loyalty to the Crown without safety and security. The colonists rebelled over far less than what Americans and specifically white Americans have had to endure today.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  99. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    Neither socialism nor capitalism should be exclusively associated with ubiquitous surveillance and other police-state measures. Either economic system can comport with a police state, and obviously communism and fascism can as well.

    Yep.

    As we’ve been discovering over the past few years liberal democracy and capitalism are entirely compatible with a police state.

  100. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    But we play the hand we’re dealt.

    I agree with that. It’s not useful to retreat into a fantasy world where the mistakes of the past can be magically undone. What we have to do is to try to mitigate the effects of those mistakes.

    The mass immigration of the past fifty years cannot be undone. It’s unlikely that we can even halt future immigration. The best we can hope for is to impose some limits on future immigration and deal with the reality of the situation.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  101. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “No, no, no, Corvy. You said that anything deemed to promote the general welfare IS Constitutional.”

    I made no direct statement in that regard.

    “No, it was no taxation without representation not no loyalty to the Crown without safety and security.”

    It was taxation without representation that put the safety and security of the colonists at risk.

    “The colonists rebelled over far less than what Americans and specifically white Americans have had to endure today.”

    You are entitled to your opinion.

  102. Like the Great Depression, “when it’s over”, several new socialist programs will have been adopted, including a Minimum Wage law affecting all Americans earning less than $120,000 annual income.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  103. @John Regan

    You are a complete nutcase to suggest that Sweden’s 20k Jews (out of 10 million Swedes) have made the country left-wing and increasingly totalitarian.

    I pointed out that the majority of television networks at not owned by Jews and you switched to newspapers.

    So we left on your completely insane conclusion that Jews control Sweden through newspapers.

    By all means go spread your message: Sweden’s 20k Jews may not control Swedish TV or the internet but they are mind controlling Nords into leftism through traditional newspapers.

    Have fun with that. I’m sure people will be lining up to follow such a well thought out and rational thesis.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  104. Anon[756] • Disclaimer says:

    If the recovery is swift (V shape), this will all be forgotten in a year, when the stock market comes roaring back because the Fed once again forgets to turn off the tap. Most people will return to taking the trips they didn’t take, splurging on restaurant meals etc.

    If the recovery takes a while however, things will change. But it may not be what I hope for. What I hope for is a total decoupling from China, starting with either a new law or an EO requiring all “essential production” to return to US, incl. all medicine, medical supplies, high tech products, any parts and components that go into defense products, and steel. I would also like to see a complete moratorium on immigration for the next 40 years, incl. immediate repatriation of all non-citizens to free up jobs for native citizens, and no more student/tourist/work/business/investor/visas of any kind for China until they pay for our $2 Trillion stimulus and another $2Trillion for the economic damage they cost us.

  105. NPleeze says:
    @Carroll Price

    Yeah, with all those trillions being spent to bail out the rich to make sure they don’t lose a cent (after all, the losses of the rich are socialized and when they make money, well, their tax rate is near zero), there’ll be plenty left for a Universal Basic Income and the Green New Deal.

    Just keep those printers runnin’, there’s an infinite supply!

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  106. @Bookish1

    Dont forget the great civil war between blacks and jews that has just begun.

    Over Brooklyn? But does anyone really care?

    We can definitely expect more headlines like:

    Victims were part of a synagogue but we don’t know if the shooting was motivated by anti-semitism. Shooter is described as a male. There are reports that the shooter experienced racism. Our gun expert says that guns are really the problem.

  107. @goldgettin

    Good day.It’s not you or I. The tragedy of which I speak is that over 200,000,000
    people already believe this shiite,( I’ve done the research)Another 600,000,000
    people may believe them.Then another 853,000,014 people will believe whatever
    they’re told.I’m sure(pretty much)another 719,000,000 will not believe anything.
    Then we have another 998,879,422 people who can ‘t read.
    Then another 2,337,865,216 who worship cows,idols and insects.You think this is
    FUNNY?Remember,I don’t know anything,but you sure are absolutely correct
    about the republicrats. What to do next?

  108. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    During the 1940s and 50s, our top income tax rate was raised to 90% to help pay for war rebuilding effort in the country. We need to do the same for Coronavirus. All incomes above $500k should be taxed at 90% for the next however many years necessary until the $2T stimulus is paid off. An argument can be made that all those who make over $500k a year benefited in one way or another from globalization, which is the #1 cause of this pandemic. Wall Street is esp. responsible and I would make that income threshold $250k for all Wall Street jobs — 90% tax on all income above $250k for these vampire squids that wrecked the nation’s industrial base.

    It’s time to make the globalists pay for what they wrought.

    • Agree: J. R. Chloupek
  109. @NPleeze

    The system you describe is known as Economic Fascism, under which corporations are allowed to keep 100% of all profits, with all loses devided-up and shared among taxpayers in the form of bail-outs. If it sounds familiar, it should, since Americans have been living under the system since 1865.

  110. The system you describe is known as Economic Fascism, under which corporations are allowed to keep 100% of all profits, with any loses devided up and shared with taxpayers in the form of bail-outs. If it sounds familiar, it should, since Americans have been living under that system since 1865.

  111. @John Johnson

    And you are still lying and setting up strawmen, just as you did back then. As any person who reads my linked post can easily see. Thank you for showing us more of your true nature. Have a good one.

  112. @dfordoom

    “I suspect that Christianity will become even more irrelevant to people’s lives than it already is.”

    Political Correctness is the religion currently supplanting Christianity. If PC wanes, Christianity will likely experience a resurgence. Look at Russia.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  113. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ozymandias

    Political Correctness is the religion currently supplanting Christianity. If PC wanes, Christianity will likely experience a resurgence.

    If PC wanes people will definitely look for an alternative religion. I just don’t think that alternative is going to be Christianity. Christianity is already in intensive care and on a ventilator. I don’t think it’s possible to resuscitate it.

    I think people will look for something new, or for something that looks new. And since the 19th century political/social religions have supplanted actual religions in the West. I don’t see any sign at the moment that people are going to see Christianity as something that offers them hope to save them from the Corona Virus or from the economic devastation that is coming. They’re more likely to turn to a political ideology although it’s possible such an ideology will have quasi-spiritual overtones.

    The idea that Christianity is going to make a comeback is mostly wishful thinking. It’s possible that a few older people will go back to church-going but to fuel a true revival you need young people. And young people are not interested in dead or dying religions.

  114. Communism replaced Christianity in the Soviet Union. But now, Russia is 71% Christian. I wouldn’t write it off just yet.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  115. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ozymandias

    Communism replaced Christianity in the Soviet Union. But now, Russia is 71% Christian.

    In Russia and eastern Europe it was, paradoxically, communism that preserved Christianity. Communist protected Christianity from its most dangerous enemies – capitalism, consumerism, liberalism, moronic mass entertainment. Christianity went underground under communism, but it survived. In the West it has been entirely destroyed. Except in the US – they’re about a generation away from the final and total eclipse of Christianity.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  116. @dfordoom

    Communist protected Christianity from its most dangerous enemies – capitalism, consumerism, liberalism, moronic mass entertainment.

    This is correct but there is another factor which is that the Eastern Orthodox church has a strong hierarchy and is pro-state while Western Protestant Christianity is globalist and vulnerable to secular trends.

    The Protestant churches are also heavily feminized and basically assume men to be immoral. Orthodox services are much more compatible with men.

    Not all churches in the US are in decline. Catholics and Mormons continue to increase their numbers which should make protestant churches re-think their positions on families. But some protestant churches are definitely hopeless. The Lutherans for example have embraced “environmental justice” and call for more immigrants. A key problem with Christianity is that it allows too much to interpretation. Well if you allow everyone to spin their own version then you eventually get churches that embrace gay marriage or whatever their liberal competitors come up with it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  117. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    while Western Protestant Christianity is globalist and vulnerable to secular trends.

    I don’t think anything can save Protestantism. And it’s not worth saving.

    Not all churches in the US are in decline. Catholics and Mormons continue to increase their numbers

    Aren’t they slowly declining in relative terms?

    Are Mormons Christians? I would not have thought so.

    You also have to take survey results with a grain of salt. Lots of people who claim to be Christians are for all practical purposes agnostics, or even atheists. Of those who claim to be Christians when they’re surveyed a large number are not in any meaningful sense actual believing practising Christians. Americans in particular seem to dislike the idea of admitting to being agnostics.

    When someone tells me

    • Replies: @A123
  118. A123 says:
    @dfordoom

    I don’t think anything can save Protestantism. And it’s not worth saving.

    Protestantism as a doctrine cannot die. It is the battle against excesses and sin by Church Officials and hierarchy.

    If you want to say that specific churches or organizations are no longer Protestant. That I could agree with. Selling out Christians by promoting “interfaith” movements and welcoming non-Christian rape-ugees are both signs of impending collapse.

    PEACE 😷

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