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Wednesday night in Las Vegas, Mayor Mike Bloomberg learned what it is like to be thrown up against a wall and frisked.

At the opening of the Democratic debate, his first, Mayor Mike was greeted by his nearest neighbor on stage, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, with this warm welcome:

“We’re running against … a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians.’ And, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

Bloomberg was not only charged with misogyny and sexism but racism for his stop-and-frisk policy, which the NYPD pursued during his three terms as mayor. By Bloomberg’s own admission, stop and frisk singled out black men between 16 and 25.

Undiscussed were the positive results of the policy.

Gun homicides in New York fell to levels below those attained by his predecessor, Rudy Giuliani. And if those most often frisked were black and Hispanic men, the lives saved and the woundings prevented were also mostly those of people of color.

Yet, a question that remains after this debate was one that was puzzling even before the debate.

Why did he do it? Why did Bloomberg, who is not on the Nevada or South Carolina ballot, decide to join the debates before these contests?

Today, the mayor’s campaign is probably buying tens of millions of dollars in ads to undo the damage done to him under the remorseless fire on his character, campaign and record from his rivals Wednesday night.

These attacks were predictable and predicted. Why did he submit to this? Who counseled Bloomberg to climb into the ring?

By investing $350 million in ads in primary states since November and crafting scheduled appearances while avoiding adversarial talk shows and candidate debates, Bloomberg had propelled himself from nowhere into the top tier of candidates in every state on Super Tuesday.

Why did he abandon a winning strategy to walk out, unprepared, onto a stage full of enraged and exasperated rivals who think he is buying and stealing a nomination for which they have fought for a year?

Why did he volunteer to enter a forum where he had to know his rivals would become a flash mob before he answered his first question? This was campaign malpractice of historic dimensions.

It is going to take hundreds of millions of dollars in new ads to undo the damage done to Bloomberg’s reputation among the millions of voters who got their first impression of the mayor from the debate.

Where does the race stand before Saturday’s caucuses in Nevada?

Sen. Bernie Sanders, his energy restored after his heart attack a few months back, his lines honed by a year’s repetition, was at the top of his game Wednesday night, fending off attacks and fighting back with a passion and ferocity that Bloomberg never exhibited.

With his popular vote victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, five national polls showing him taking the lead from Joe Biden, and contributions pouring in from his huge army of small donors, Sanders is the favorite to win in Nevada and man to stop.

But after Super Tuesday, March 3, he may be unstoppable.

A new Washington Post poll Wednesday shows Sanders with a huge lead among young voters and in a statistical tie with Joe Biden among African Americans. And he is flush with cash.

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March 4 could see Sanders with an almost insurmountable lead that could have him enter the Milwaukee convention with a majority of delegates or a plurality so huge as to make it politically impossible for his adversaries to gang up on him and take the nomination away.

For who would be the beneficiary of such a robbery on the convention floor? The same Bloomberg his rivals described Wednesday night as a misogynist, sexist and racist.

Bloomberg’s campaign is sounding the alarm that Sanders could soon amass an insurmountable delegate lead if the Democratic field stays split, and is urging the other candidates to drop out.

Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Vice President Biden are being told that if they do not get out of the race and clear the lane for the mayor, they will get a socialist as their nominee, and the party will deserve the fate November will bring — a second term for Trump.

Bloomberg’s strategist Kevin Sheekey was pointedly warned by staffers on Thursday:

“If Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar remain in the race despite having no path to appreciably collecting delegates on Super Tuesday (and beyond), they will propel Sanders to a seemingly insurmountable delegate lead by siphoning votes away from (Bloomberg).”

As the other candidates cannot beat Sanders, Bloomberg’s campaign is saying, they should step aside and clear the field for Mayor Mike. This would call for a spirit of self-sacrifice and measure of esteem for the mayor not evident on that stage Wednesday night.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. In a way, nothing has changed in the basic dynamics of American Immigration Policy.

    American immigration policy was always controlled by the ruling elites.

    If the ruling elites wanted fewer immigrants, they got fewer.
    If the ruling elites wanted more immigrants, they got more.

    The rulers decided.

    Jews became the new rulers and pushed for more immigration.
    Again, the ruling elites decide. Same as always.

    If Americans don’t like this policy, they need to call out on the ruling elites and have them deposed and replaced with new ones.

    But both parties are beholden to ‘muh Israel’ and ‘we love Jews’. So, nothing will change.

    Wanna change policy? Change the elites.

  2. I am expecting women and their lawyers to violate their NDAs one at a time until Bloomberg ends the campaign.

    This is a Democratic primary, and it will be impossible for the militant women of the party to let this go…

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    , @joe862
  3. “We’re running against … a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians.’ And, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

    In response, Bloomberg should have acted a bit like Trump. He should have said that, yes, some women are fat and that there are attractive lesbians and horse-faced ones.

    Trump knows how to handle schoolmarms. Bloomberg doesn’t.

  4. “people of color”. Pat,

    yer a silly old boomer. And

    don’t fergit,

    “the democrats are the real rayciss’”

  5. JasonT says:

    “they will get a socialist as their nominee, and the party will deserve the fate November will bring — a second term for Trump”.

    This is a fantasy-land statement. Sanders is the only one in the Democratic field capable of beating Trump in November.

  6. Ash says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    He’s not a boomer. He was born before WWII.

    • Replies: @Goetz
  7. If Bernie takes Gabbard as his running mate he has at least a chance against Trump. Mike has no chance at all. None. Zero. This because Bernie’s people will NOT vote for Bloomberg or Buttplug for that matter.

    The Neo Liberals have given up on the general election and are now only trying to save “their” party from its AOC wing. With a “moderate” nomonee they can lose to Trump and keep their place at Court.

    This election has become boring for Trump supporters. The Democrats have already lost the general election.

  8. KenH says:

    I only watched a few clips but mini Mike, the big gulp slayer, should have hit back at Pocahontas Warren and called her a liar and a fraud for her bogus claims of Indian ancestry and falsely claiming to be fired for being pregnant.

    Mini Mike the mini Jew sees the second amendment as the new big gulp that needs to be laid low.

  9. melpol says:

    Voters don’t expect a politician to be a great debater. They want him to be clever and smart. Bloomberg has proven himself to be one of the cleverest and smartest of men. Bozos and Gates might be smarter but they aren’t running for president. Great minds are the strong and silent type and they often wins the race.

  10. I say Brother Nathanael for president.

    INSIDE BERNIE – Brother Nathanael

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/QdpnPD3ogFiZ/

    • Thanks: Art
    • Replies: @A. Hipster
  11. @melpol

    What a shock that the k*** likes Mike!

  12. A123 says:

    It was certainly not good for Bloomberg:

    I couldn’t make stuff like this up…..

    PEACE 😇

  13. A123 says:

    There is good news in the world too…. After a very scary wreck…

    PEACE 😇

  14. renfro says:

    I watched the debate. Warren left Mike and the rest bleeding out on the stage.
    If I were Trump she is the one I would not want to go up against……she is sharper than a razor.

    This is hysterical……someone went on wiki and added a date of death for Bloomberg and listed Cause of Death as Senator EliabethWarren….lol

    https://abovethelaw.com/2020/02/elizabeth-warren-took-bloomberg-to-law-school-in-the-most-horrifying-way-possible/

  15. Courtesy of this comment:

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/02/httpsheavycomnews202002trump-phoenix-arizona-rally-crowd-photos.html?cid=6a00d8341c72e153ef0240a50e1203200b#comment-6a00d8341c72e153ef0240a50e1203200b

    off-guardian explains why Bloomie was there

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/02/20/michael-bloomberg-the-democrats-billionaire-strawman/

    Bloomberg definitely there to serve a function. It couldn’t be more obvious if they’d put an actual straw-man on the stage, hung a sign that says “the elite” around its neck, and had Warren & Biden run at it with bayonets.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  16. @melpol

    “Voters don’t expect a politician to be a great debater. They want him to be clever and smart.”

    Whatever Punyberg is paying you, it’s too much for this weak sauce.

  17. ” the party will deserve the fate November will bring — a second term for Trump.”

    They do deserve much worse than that fate, though the rest of us might not, and still, that’s what is supposed to happen: the republicans get two terms in the white house, then it will be the democrats’ turn. That is the way it’s done now.

    To be honest, the democrats deserve prison or exile to Dry Tortugas. All politicians in the US do.

  18. @KenH

    For entertainment purposes, MiniMike should have grabbed a folding chair and beat Liz’s ass halfway off with it. It’s a phony show anyway, so why can’t they at least make it entertaining? If there was a chance of seeing Bernie climb up on the podium and jump off onto Buttplug, I might watch some of these democrat grudge matches, but I guess that’s a forlorn hope of mine.

  19. Why does Michael Bloomberg think he can be the one to beat Bernie? He has the worst chance. He was horrible in the debate, his commercials are totally cringe, and he is a billionaire who has bought his way this far and think she can buy his way into the white house.

    If they steal the votes from Bernie again, I think he may go “Joker” on everyone this time!!!

  20. SafeNow says:

    Bloomberg reminded of the movie classic Invasion of the Body Snatchers, in which the replicated people are affectless, bland, phlegmatic. If they ever produce another remake, and Bloomberg is given a role, the director would simply tell him “be yourself.” But for the debate, Bloomberg was cast against type. And so extensive acting acting coaching was needed, including watching videos of JFK and Reagan. This would have made a big difference. Either no one had the temerity to tell the imperious billionaire this, or, his ego rejected the advice.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @animalogic
  21. slorter says:

    This whole facade is to stop Sanders from getting the nomination!

    If the Corporate Democratic machine were perfectly honest with themselves and the rest of the American public ; their statement would be we would prefer Trump to Sanders

    • Agree: Frankie P
  22. renfro says:
    @SafeNow

    Bloomberg has no energy, no force and is slow on the rebound…….maybe he thinks he just has to appear and his money will speak for him.

    10 thumbs down imo

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  23. I wish conservatives would focus on the STRATEGIC big picture items. What matters is that Bloomberg was right about RACIAL issues regarding crime. And about the 2008 financial meltdown being caused by affirmative action loans.

    Just focus on that because those ISSUES are what matter.

    But instead conservatives will blather about how Trump is more pro-Black than Bloomberg so as to win that crucial Diamond & Silk demographic. That is, 1% of 1%.

  24. GuestAug says:

    Well, here is a contrarian view: I just watched a clip from the debate showing Bloomberg (https://youtu.be/8YT8olewDYo). I interpreted Bloomberg’s facial expression as “OMG, why do I have to be here with these clowns?” If you are worth $60+ billion, why would you really want to be the president? I don’t think he does.

    So why is Mike running? My guess is it has something to do with (1) who benefited from him being in yesterday’s debate (normally, the candidates attack the perceived front-runner, which would have been Sanders), and (2) who will benefit from Bloomberg’s taking away primary votes (delegates) from other “mainstream” (i.e. pro-status quo) candidates (again, Sanders).

    This sounds crazy, but I wonder if there is a faction of plutocrats including Bloomberg, Nick (The Pitchforks are Coming) Hanauer, and possibly Jeff Bezos who are sufficiently worried about the state of the country and the world that they want someone like Bernie (a social democrat at best, certainly no socialist or communist) in the White House.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Buck Ransom
  25. Hail says: • Website
    @melpol

    Bozos…might be smarter

    Good four-word summary of the Democratic candidates.

    Or maybe all Washington politicians.

    • LOL: gsjackson
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  26. Hail says: • Website

    Pat Buchanan in this column is echoing the consensus on how Bloomberg “did” in the debate. It’s unclear whether people care.

    One sign his campaign has a lot left in it is this satirical video he released the morning after. It is from the debate, a real scene, based in reality but stretched to comedic length.

    As I wrote in another thread, this ad combines Tweetman’s use of social-media trolling in the 2015-16 cycle with a Larry David-style, zanier-version-of-reality humor. IOW, if Larry David had to produce an ad for Bloomberg, this would be it:

    Other attempts at Twitter-trolling have come up short (sorry for the pun):

  27. @melpol

    Voters don’t expect a politician to be a great debater. They want him to be clever and smart. Bloomberg has proven himself to be one of the cleverest and smartest of men.

    At the highest office voters want someone with a backbone and that needs to show up in the debates.

    How can Democrat voters trust Bloomberg to take on Trump when he can’t even stand up to a shrill like Warren? His response was terrible which shows he was completely unprepared and underestimated his opponents. He should have been prepared for an attack from any of them.

    Did he really think he could just walk in there and debate policy? It’s a loserfest. No one is really winning and here comes this guy trying to buy his way in. What did he think they would do? Just pat him on the back?

    As for Pat’s question I am going to say yes. I don’t see him coming back from that.

    • Replies: @melpol
  28. @KenH

    I only watched a few clips but mini Mike, the big gulp slayer, should have hit back at Pocahontas Warren and called her a liar and a fraud for her bogus claims of Indian ancestry and falsely claiming to be fired for being pregnant.

    This would be a much better strategy. Warren has the most baggage and so far no one has called her on it in the debate. It was the perfect opportunity to go low in defense.

    What he needed to do was take down Biden. That is his main opponent.

    Warren and Buttigieg aren’t electable. The fake Indian stuff alone would sink Warren and middle America isn’t going to elect a pillow biter. Even without the husband he wasn’t able to win the favor of Blacks in his own town. Blacks can smell these image first White liberals a mile away. Most of his supporters are guilt ridden fuzzy headed boomers that want to feel “progressive” for supporting a fag.

  29. Wally says:
    @JasonT

    Bolshevik Bernie has no chance against Trump.

    Unprotected by his ‘Demo’ comrades Trump will cut Bernie’s Communist derriere to pieces.

  30. Why did he do it?

    HRC is trying to ensure a brokered convention which nominates her. Bloomberg is a stalking horse.

    Doesn’t Pat understand that Hillary is entitled to the presidency?

  31. @Priss Factor

    I’m a fan of Brother Nathanael, but is he for real or a troll?

    He would fit here without any embellishments …

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Bolteric
  32. @SafeNow

    Yes, Bloomberg has no hope, especially against Trump. Like it or loathe it Trump has something that even billions can’t buy: charisma.
    (On a slightly related point — it is refreshing to know that a man without millions, without billionaire backers, such as Sanders, can still compete in the Presidential process. Who would believe
    it — that millions & millions citizens, giving just a bit each could fund a presidential bid ? It almost reminds me of something….em…der …dar…dem–oc…racy ???

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @follyofwar
  33. If Bloomberg went on the offensive and got aggressive he could maybe pull this off. But, he won’t. Sad!

  34. Turk 152 says:

    At least a Bloomberg Presidency would end the debate as to whether the US is ruled entirely by Jewish money.

  35. swamped says:

    “Why did he do it? Why did Bloomberg, who is not on the Nevada or South Carolina ballot, decide to join the debates before these contests?”…maybe for that very reason. What better time to get your feet wet in presidential “debate” than before contests that you won’t be entered in; so it won’t affect it in the least. By the time ‘Super Tuesday’ rolls around, when he is on the ballot, the memory will have faded. Better now than right before those crucial primaries. All the remaining candidates have gone through many of these “debates” already, so of course they were better prepared. Bloomberg could do better in future debates as he gains experience, although time is short. But the other candidates better go easy on him or he could still sink the winner who finally gets the Party’s nomination. All he has to do – & can do easily – is run as an independent, like Ross Perot in the 90’s. If he siphons off 10 or 15% of the vote, that would hand the election to Pres. Trump in a walk.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
  36. swamped says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Ron Unz is a “boomer”. Maybe,

    you can get him to ban all boomers from this site so

    it will be a ‘safe space’,

    for yer sissy little snowflakes.

    • Replies: @Lol
  37. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    Man, that’s probably the worst attempt at shilling for Bloomberg I’ve heard all week. It’s like you and your fellow mini Jew can’t stop emitting these massive waves of negative charisma. It’s like a comic book superpower but inverted.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  38. danand says:

    Mayor Mike Bloomberg learned what it is like to be thrown up against a wall and frisked.

    Ain’t that the truth. You would think if Mikey didn’t have sufficient time to prepare/do his homework; he would have at least gone in with a simple contingency plan:

    730FCA91-009A-4A54-8C32-D6C84F249C39

  39. ThereisaGod says: • Website

    Bloomberg is about stopping Bernie and making Trump a certainty for a second term.
    The money wants Trump, the bankers’ friend as well as Israel’s friend (which Bernie also is).

  40. Renoman says:

    Trump will clean any of these Clowns.

  41. Wait a minute. Didn’t Warren claim to be a Squaw? Didn’t immigration from the Old World lead to the ‘genocide’ of the Indians?

    And ask the Palestinians what Jewish Immigration did to Palestine.

  42. Bloomberg is a dud. He is the stalwart for Hillary Clinton. He appeared as a bad cartoon. The corrupt DNC tests how to prevent Bernie Sanders by Bloomberg’s shady character. Bloomberg stands for the corrupt elites, that’s why Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party candidate together with the Wall Street creature Pete Buttigieg. If Bernie Sanders doesn’t get the nomination again, he should run as a third-party candidate. Bloomberg’s real constituency is Wall Street. He should hand out bucks to the voters as in a corrupt banana republic to get elected.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  43. It was like a mixed martial arts match with Warren delivering flying kicks to Bloomie’s astonished head. Let’s not even get into wild-haired Trotsky and PeeWee Buttfudge as it was just another day in the Democratic clown car.

    The only thing missing was a resplendent drag queen tearfully recounting how immigrant parents worked their fingers to the bone in order to keep them in spike heels and feather boas and how every child in America will get the same support only if he/she is elected president.

    Every time I think it can’t get any weirder, it does.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  44. Bloomberg needs to champion stop and frisk, insistent on reciting details and Sanders needs to recite a famous line from his 2016 run, for which the hard left derided him as a “ Gun Nut”……..” Most Gun owners are law abiding and no problem”.

  45. @Wally

    Bernie is a Jewish Bolshevik, Trump is a crypto-Jewish Capitalist.

    I am surprised someone like you is this invested in the election process, it doesn’t really matter who wins, both are two wings of the same bird, the flight path isn’t going to change.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Wally
  46. Aardvark says:
    @WorkingClass

    I am not yet discounting that the DNC will still find a way to stab Bernie at the convention and in rides Hil. I heard on the radio yesterday that “the Russians are already interfering in the election”. Perhaps the October surprise will be as someone already suggested, the DHS will decide they need to “monitor” and perhaps even “run” the election. Guess how the vote counting will go…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  47. mike99588 says:
    @Wally

    Bernie, Making America Venezuela

  48. onebornfree says: • Website

    What difference does any of this make?

    The Dems “debates”are merely a mud-slinging contest between various idiot marxists who want to run our lives. Any Repub “debate”is merely between competing idiot fascists [including Trump] , who likewise want to run our lives.

    So in the end, it all boils down to: “full-on marxism or full-on fascism- which “side”is gonna win this time around?” [as if there is any fundamental difference between the two “sides”], when, regardless of which side wins ultimately this time around, we end up with either some idiot marxist or some idiot fascist intent on running everyone’s lives for them.

    No candidate on either side talks seriously [let alone lies half-way convincingly!], about fully restoring individual freedom, fully restoring the 1st.amendment, getting rid of all anti 2nd amendment laws [+ all anti-3rd, 4th,5th,6th, 7th.8th.9th.10th amendment laws], abolishing the income tax, ending the drug war, getting out of all foreign wars, abolishing the Dept. of “Education”, Social Security, the FDA, the EPA, the Federal Reserve, the FBI, the CIA, the Pentagon etc. etc etc., and all the rest of the vast mass of entirely unconstitutional , wholly criminal, federal agencies IMMEDIATELY,and returning the Federal government to its original constitutional limitations IMMEDIATELY.

    Or even [ if that much is simply too much to expect], going half-way down that path- or even just taking one single step down that path. No one.

    Dems or Repubs, its all just a giant shit-show; Kabuki theatre for the vast mass of indoctrinated slaves who now make up 99% of the population in “the land of the Free”.

    And so it goes…….What a frickin’ joke!

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Whitewolf
  49. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    These attacks were predictable and predicted. Why did he submit to this? Who counseled Bloomberg to climb into the ring?

    The DNC, who is under the control of the Wicked Witch of the East, Hillary Clinton.
    Clinton is looking to tie up the first two votes at the July DNC, so she can swoop in and use the Super Delegates to grab the nomination.

    Wanna see something just a depressing?

    USA 2020 presidential election leading choices

    New York Jewish capitalist (Bloomberg)

    New York Jewish socialist (Sanders)

    New York Jewish-in-family President (Trump)

    Gay guy linked to CIA & loyal to Jews & Israel (Buttigieg)

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  50. @WorkingClass

    The Neo Liberals have given up on the general election and are now only trying to save “their” party from its AOC wing. With a “moderate” nomonee they can lose to Trump and keep their place at Court.

    That, and they see Trump has already been brought to heel by the Jewish establishment inside and out of his cabinet. Four years of a guaranteed lame duck President to plan for a guaranteed win in 2024.

  51. Jake says:

    It was not death for the Bloomberg campaign. He’s worth 65 billion. He has dozens of multi-billionaire friends. Unlike Trump, he is not seen by his billionaire class as a half-traitor to them.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  52. Jake says:
    @Just passing through

    To be more precise, Bernie is a Jewish Social Revolutionary who is very close friends with all the Jewish Mensheviks. And when the Bolsheviks take cintrol, they demand that everyone from the other two parties join up or die.

    Bernie would join up with Bolsheviks, because like 99% of the SRs in Russia he is to naively faithful to revolutionary politics to believe it possible that people on his side of the biggest issues could ever be bad.

  53. Moi says:
    @Priss Factor

    When the Exceptional and the Chosen clash, the Chosen win. Thus we must play with relish our role as Israel’s bitch. It is what it is 🙂

  54. 4justice says:
    @Responder111

    Assuming Bernie isn’t in on it.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  55. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aardvark

    I am not yet discounting that the DNC will still find a way to stab Bernie at the convention and in rides Hil. I heard on the radio yesterday that “the Russians are already interfering in the election”.

    Looks like (((Bernie))) is already stabbing his own supporters in the back.

    Bernie Sanders on Wednesday raised the possibility that social media accounts harassing his critics may, in fact, be Russian bots operating in disguise.

    • LOL: ploni almoni
  56. 4justice says:
    @RichardTaylor

    And about the 2008 financial meltdown being caused by affirmative action loans.

    But not by the deregulated banks incentivized into risky loans and creating products that were fraudulent in their declared risk ratings? Don’t notice that most of those “risky affirmative action” loan recipients lost their homes, but the banks continue to be bailed out. Hmmm, who is it that wants us to blame our problems on race when it is really about a criminal class of bankers and people on wall street that are stripping the people of this country clean of all wealth?

  57. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @GuestAug

    I agree. It’s way too contrived, and I had the same impression you did watching Bloomberg shrug off what amounted to angry broadsides from his nasty inferiors on the stage, such as Warren, Klobuchar, and Sanders. I could only take a few minutes, however, so I accept he gave the press enough ammunition to take him down, for 24 hours or so. Mike’s presidency would only confirm that we’re ruled by Jews as it is, so why not make it official? Washington becomes Weimar Berlin, which it already is, except for the MAGA rubes whose little minds are short-circuited by the monumental props behind the Republican stooges bought off with Jewish billionaires’ money and so mistake the clowns for statesmen.

    The other thing I’ve noticed is Fox News is using Bloomberg as a stalking horse or foil to indirectly promote Sanders’s socialist position, and why not when other than using flag-waving jingoism to promote everything Israel, Fox News is as pro-homo as its parent company’s sexualized programming is for a conservative audience’s little children.

    All lounge lizard Joe ever had to do was smile for the cameras, say he stands on his record—otherwise go to hell—and the WH was his. Proved plain fool at last by rising to the bait. I’d say all Mike has to do is not rise to the bait, ignore the nasty broadsides because they’re nasty, and stick to pointing out the risks of turning America into Venezuela or Zimbabwe at the hand of one of the angry losers nipping at his heels.

    As for The Donald, he’s reneged on every promise he made except abortion from what I can tell, and if white men have benefitted, it’s by more jobs for desperate, retired white seniors who made America great now humiliated working as greeters at Walmart. He still gets the edge, especially since he’s been at it now for 4 years and is actually doing something about the f*cking Chinese scientists and engineers here stealing our intellectual capital as much as the Jews do for Israel. The technological miracle, what’s actually miraculous about tech in China and Israel, is that both countries would be backward shitholes without stolen American know-how.

  58. Hibernian says:
    @animalogic

    Who would believe
    it — that millions & millions citizens, giving just a bit each could fund a presidential bid ?

    Yea, for a guy who promises them unlimited free stuff. How inspiring!

    • Replies: @animalogic
  59. Hibernian says:
    @swamped

    You’re probably right, but let’s realize that some of his votes will come from people who would otherwise vote for Trump.

  60. In the long run, the best thing for America would be for Bloomberg to successfully purchase the Democrat nomination.

    Let the SJWs, Bernie Bros and nice white ladies see Jewish corruption up close and in action.

    • Replies: @Plato's Dream
    , @Reg Cæsar
  61. @Priss Factor

    The rulers are screwing up. Their propaganda-media is at maximum volume like always but Conservatives in 5 states have had enough, they know they’re being willfully ignored by blue-run shithole (or soon to be shithole) cities and they want out.

    Good on them.

    • Replies: @Curle
  62. Z-man says:

    Thankfully Lil’ Mike is a stereotypical whining Jew with zero charisma who happens tp be worth 60+ billion. He’s also a Zionist. Thankfully, again, there are enough independents and even some Dumbo’kratz still around that see thru this and will send the whining billionaire Jew with no personality packing.

  63. @John Johnson

    “…..middle America isn’t going to elect a pillow biter.”

    Wasn’t Butt Plug the mayor of South Bend, Indiana? Does that not count as middle America? Never underestimate the capacity of Whites to cuck.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  64. Why the hell did the Dems let Bernie into the tent? Were they that desperate for the frat boy vote? Look where it got them.
    _____

    If Bloomberg didn’t want to or didn’t believe he could be President himself, he would have hired a surrogate puppet ala Soros/Obama.
    _____

    The party of diversity is going to end up fielding two old Jews from New England as their leading candidates. If that doesn’t wake up the BDS crowd nothing will.

  65. There is a difference between “enraged and exasperated rivals who think he is buying and stealing a nomination” and “enraged and exasperated rivals who are witnessing him buying and stealing a nomination.” In the first phrase, it’s just those silly liberals having another hissy fit, while the second phrase states a reasonable reaction to an ongoing misdeed.

    Far too many so-called conservative arguments are made of nicely crafted phrases like these – but they are intended to deceive, not to inform.

    And it’s a good thing the Framers included that Amendment that said the Bill of Rights may be suspended for good cause – which one was it now?

    And by the way there’s a fine article on distorting Sanders, as was done with more subtlety in this essay, at http://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/21/gaslighting-bernie-and-his-supporters/

  66. Sick of winning?

    Still birthright citizenship

    Still no wall (or even fence)

    Illegals still invading

    Still “guest” workers displacing us

    One mil “legal” immigrants arriving annually voting 90% democrap

    No serious investigation of voter fraud

    Still hundreds of obama criminals roaming free

    No Day One purge of traitors throughout the federal cartel (or at any time)

    Not taking the Chinese Empire seriously

    If Orange Putter loses he has only himself to blame (which he won’t of course.)

    Even if Orange wins, based on his lousy record/total failure to win the long game, it remains doubtful history books of the 44 United Free States will remember him fondly.

    • Agree: Exile
  67. TKK says:
    @renfro

    She is sharp but scary. She has the look of a crazed bitter librarian that would dole out draconian punishment with glee.

    She needs to stick with advocating for the working class and knock off the gender/race crap.

    But she never will. These Dems have never understood that as long as Trump shows even a sliver of sanity and loyalty to White, Non PC Traditional Values – something as simple as having the stones to put Merry Christmas on a card- he will win again.

    If it’s not already gamed and fixed. I have a bad feeling about Buttplug. He’s too sure.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  68. Both Sanders and Bloomberg are dual citizens of Israel that alone should be enough to disqualify both of these zionists.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  69. melpol says:
    @John Johnson

    Wizards at finance often are not quick thinkers, they are slow and methodical. After weeks of contemplation Bloomberg put together a great financial information service. He is not a quick thinker which is required for a talented debater. But he can lead the nation in great directions after some thinking time.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @follyofwar
  70. Milton says:
    @Priss Factor

    Pat asks, “Why did Bloomberg enter the race?” I’ll tell you Pat. Same reason that Creepy Joe and Mayor Butt entered the race: to spoil it for Sanders, who is the only one capable of winning the Blue Wall votes that put Trump into the White House. Of course, it doesn’t matter who wins at the end of the day because Presidents since November, 22 1963 are just Freemason-approved puppet-Presidents with no real executive power. Americans get to pick between President Coke and President Pepsi.

  71. @Haxo Angmark

    Don’t ever question the wisdom of Mr B . He’s also not a boomer.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  72. Z-man says:
    @TKK

    She’s a battle-axe Israeli First-er. She would make a perfect running mate for the rich lil’ kike. They both should be sent over Niagara Falls in a barrel!

  73. Democrats don’t hold themselves to the same standards they apply to white, middle class Republicans. The perception with old Democrats is Bloomberg can defeat Trump. That is all that matters.

  74. martin_2 says:

    I can’ t understand why this Bloomberg bloke can’t see that being all apologetic and goody goody about what he’s said and done in the past is very unappealing to the average person. Especially when what he has said is broadly true and what he has done saved lives. The only way for him to win is by differentiating himself from the other wankers, just like Donald Trump did with the Republican candidates last time around. He has to come out swinging, as they say, not cringing and apologising, otherwise he’s just like the rest of them, so why would anyone vote for him?

    Another thing. If he has got so much money to spend on his campaign, then why doesn’t he use some of it to manipulate the betting markets? On betfair – which is I believe the biggest exchange in the world – he is about 5 to 1 to win the democratic nomination, but backing him for a couple of thousand pounds would make him favourite. A few thousand would make him favourite for the presidency ffs.

    To think that the people that advise these candidates are earning tens of thousands of dollars. They are absolutely useless.

  75. @renfro

    If I were Trump she is the one I would not want to go up against……she is sharper than a razor.

    Don’t you mean tomahawk?

    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  76. @Greg Bacon

    Curious.

    Usually Noseberg doesn’t like the hot seat, too many can question him. He prefers to whisper from behind it.

  77. Goetz says:
    @Ash

    In this and similar cases, not the Greatest Generation, and certainly not the world’s moral beacons.

  78. I’m sorry, but did you say the former Republican mayor of NYC and an Independent Senator from Vermont are the front-runners in the Democrat Party Presidential primaries? Clearly Dem voters don’t like Dem politicians.

  79. @Desert Fox

    “Both Sanders and Bloomberg are dual citizens of Israel that alone should be enough to disqualify both of these zionists.”

    Oddly, your kooky paranoid beliefs don’t disqualify anyone.

    • Replies: @Exile
  80. Turk 152 says:

    It seems like the Bernie Bashers could care less about quarter million dollar tuitions, outrageous medical bills, people living in the streets, or all of our taxes going into Oil Wars. It’s all about how Bernie may make them marginally less wealthy thinly disguised by a patena of caring about freedom. I just find their arguements hollow and insincere.

    Sanders isnt perfect but he is addressing issues that impact the majority of the country in one form or another.

    • Replies: @map
    , @Wally
  81. map says:
    @Wally

    Notice how these carefully staged Democrat “debates” are not really debates. What Warren did to Bloomberg and what Tulsi Gabbard did to Kamala Harris should be standard practice among all of the candidates. Yet, these actions are rare.

    Bernie Sanders’ is not having any of his views put to the fire. He is running around reading his carefully-rehearsed script with no challenge or push back. None of his views are going to survive Trump’s viciousness and Sanders will be reduced to a quivering pile of sniveling loser when Trump is done.

  82. Why did he do it? EGO, pure EGO. He wanted to see if the feared him and his money. Those nicest to him, might be considered for the VP spot. But considered only. Learn from history, as Rabbi Stephen Wise bragged, Communism is Judaism. Sanders is openly socialist, which is one step from Communism, which is really a totalitarian dictatorship. So, who is going to be the first Jewish dictator in the West? Unless God has other plans. He is the one who controls everything.

  83. Boy, do I love Old School Pat-! The first line of his Article was Great. Mike now knows what it feels like to get “Thrown up Against the wall and Frick”
    Love from [NYC-USA]
    Former Navy Vietnam Veteran
    Revert Shia……

  84. @animalogic

    Trump’s charisma may be enough to carry him to a second term. But it won’t mean shit if senile Pelosi and pencil-neck Schiff still run the House. After the new census takes effect in 2022, it may be impossible for the GOP to ever win it back. The thought of it gives me a migraine.

  85. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    The Silent Generation came before the Boomers. Although epitomized by Madison
    Avenue “Ad-Men” we also had a noteworthy cohort of not so silent characters called
    “Beats” (like Kerouac and William Burroughs) whose antics charmed the rest of us.
    Adding Pete Seeger folkies and negro jazzmen Coltrane and Miles Davis those were
    heady times.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Janus
  86. Exile says:

    “Why did he…?”

    Hubris & the expectation of (((special))) privilege. Success has softened Mayor Berg (please stop Anglicizing him, Pat).

  87. @swamped

    To run as an independent, Bloomberg would have to capture enough signatures in every state to get on their ballots, and each state has different rules. The duopoly running this country has made it exceedingly difficult for an independent to do so. Perot started his challenge well before this point in the cycle, and Larry King gave him a welcome platform. It may be too late for Bloomberg to attempt the independent route. He would have had to start it last year. And, remember, though Perot received 19% of the popular vote in ’92, he came away with ZERO electoral votes.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  88. Exile says:
    @Ozymandias

    The Constitution has a “native born” requirement for POTUS for that very reason – dual loyalty.

    What the hell is “paranoid” about suspecting the motives of someone who expressly serves another nation?

    Watching a pack of Ukrainian Jews try to impeach a U.S. President over their centuries-old blood feuds should have made this recently obvious.

  89. @RichardTaylor

    “What matters is that Bloomberg was right about RACIAL issues regarding crime”.

    Bloomberg and the others will never admit that. BTW the Republicans will never admit that either.

    The MSM will jump on them so hard that all their innerds will be squeezed out and that will be the finish of them.

    Remember, one of this nations religious beliefs is that “All People are Created”. Woe be they who transgress USSof A’s 1st Commandment.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    , @Angharad
  90. @Hibernian

    Oh, yer “unlimited” freeshit…after 40 years of just “shit”. How dare they want “more”….

  91. @Johnny Smoggins

    Wasn’t Butt Plug the mayor of South Bend, Indiana? Does that not count as middle America? Never underestimate the capacity of Whites to cuck.

    It’s a Democrat stronghold.

    Large Black population plus Notre Dame.

  92. map says:
    @Turk 152

    Really?

    This is the level of unreality that people live under: they honestly believe that Bernie Sanders is going to take money away from his fellow Joos and give it to the goyim. You think Bernie is going to take from those Forbes 400 Joos (who make up 40% of the Forbes 400), from all the Joo lawyers and Joo doctors and Joo businessmen and Joo politicians and Joo financiers and Joo educators…all of these people are going to take it on the chin so that some goy does not have to pay tuition or healthcare…to a joo doctor or joo professor.

    Really? This is what you believe.

    I suppose you think Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House to raise taxes on herself. And you think Elizabeth Warren is going fire her bosses…like Mike Bloomberg…you know…the guy who finances the Democrat Party.

    Really…if you are a white man and your voting for Bernie or any Democrat then you are a complete fucking idiot.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
    , @Prester John
  93. Dutch Boy says:
    @swamped

    That is the most logical theory. Take the hits up front before primaries where you are not on the ballot and let the sting wear off before Super Tuesday. Furthermore, Bloomberg’s strategy seems centered around blizzarding media with ads, not on debate performances.

    • Replies: @Russ
  94. @4justice

    “Don’t notice that most of those “risky affirmative action” loan recipients lost their homes”.

    Yes I clearly remember that day about 30 years ago when the banker criminals came over to my apartment and forced me to sign up for a mortgage loan. I was scared as they held me down and were ready to pummel me until I said, Yes I’ll sign your contract at 12% interest rate.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @4justice
  95. @melpol

    He is not a quick thinker which is required for a talented debater. But he can lead the nation in great directions after some thinking time.

    Are you trying to sell Bloomberg here? That would be a waste of time.

    The vast majority here will not be judging him on the debate. The problem is his politics.

    He has funded numerous anti-gun initiatives in states that have low levels of “gun violence” (cough).

    There is a video of him acknowledging that most “gun violence” is in Black and Hispanic areas but he has funded anti-gun initiatives in places like Colorado and Washington state.

    He can’t claim to be a moderate on guns or abortion. It’s not possible.

    The libs don’t like his record on stop and risk or women.

    Trump would have to rape a woman live on television to give him a chance. Terrible candidate.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @map
    , @melpol
  96. @Priss Factor

    According the Scott Adams, the fat broad referred to Sarah Ferguson whereas the horse-faced lesbian is Princess Anne.

    Mr. Bloomberg’s response should have been, “Our forebears fought a war guaranteeing every American the right to call members of the British Royal Family such names. Only in a monarchy would that be disqualifying to hold high political office. And Senator, have even seen a recent picture of Princess Anne? “

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    , @Curle
  97. @melpol

    Agreed! Endless self-destructive debates within the party are no way to select a candidate. They should each get a free half hour in prime time, with no commercials, to make their case. Maybe give the top tier candidates a second bite at it. Bloomberg, like Perot did on Larry King, could shine in such a format. Warren, Sanders, and most especially Biden would stumble. As a 78 year-old, it’s too late for Bloomie to learn how to debate. He should pull out of all subsequent ones and buy 1/2 hour of TV time, but, after making the mistake of appearing in one, it may be too late.

    • Replies: @melpol
  98. @follyofwar

    And, remember, though Perot received 19% of the popular vote in ’92, he came away with ZERO electoral votes.

    Yes and he took votes from Bush.

    Bloomberg knows he would split the vote in a 3 way race and hand Trump an easy win.

    The only reason to do it would be to sabotage Sanders and keep him from an 8 year term. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the DNC encouraged this behind the scenes.

    A third party could only work if the majority hated both candidates.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  99. Wally says:
    @Just passing through

    Trump is simply much, much better than the alternatives. No contest.

    It does “matter” who wins, pay attention, see Bernie’s Big Communist Plans For Us All, i.e.:

    – Control of essentially everything by seizing the energy sector of the economy.
    – Government run healthcare, no private plans. Laughable considering how others who tried it are moving away from such a absurd, inefficient system.
    – A Marxist massive cash seizing “Green New Deal” for a problem that does not exist.
    – Incredibly high taxes on everything.

    recommended:
    Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#1e98c6e474ad
    Debunking the Myth of Socialist “Success” in Scandinavia : https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia

    • Replies: @Prester John
  100. Agent76 says:

    Feb 13, 2020 Michael Bloomberg comments on stop-and-frisk policy

    Presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg recently made a second set of comments about crime in minority communities.

    Feb 15, 2020 Bloomberg considering Hillary Clinton as potential running mate: Report

  101. @John Johnson

    Bloomberg and or Sanders are both communists, Sanders is open about it, Bloomberg hides it, but both are bolsheviks.

    • Replies: @melpol
  102. ulithi says:
    @WorkingClass

    did you mean ..”With a moderate “nomoneey they can lose..” ?

  103. map says:
    @John Johnson

    The problem with Mike Bloomberg is that he is one of these people who wants to “live his conscience.” He wants to push Leftism on other people while being free to act from the dictates of Leftism when it suits him. He wants to be able to criticize blacks, hispanics, women, minorities, gun owners, whenever it suits him and without consequence.

    Life does not work like that. Being “right” is not the point when some middle manager of a warehouse in South Bend can’t even make these “right” observations.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  104. map says:
    @Al Liguori

    What Mike Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders are all about is attacking and enervating white people. That’s it.

  105. Turk 152 says:
    @map

    Yeah, I’m sure Bernies tax plan will say 20% tax on Goyims wealth unless you sign here and say you are Jewish, subject to Mossad review.

    The guys who rolled back massive taxes on the rich are Bush and Trump backed by every white republican that ever existed. But I guess they were all just zombies controlled by their Jewish overlords, otherwise they would have built factories so that Joe six pack could get his job back.

    • Replies: @map
  106. @Priss Factor

    Bernie should have turned to Warren and said “…and here I am, looking at a horse’s-ass.”

  107. melpol says:
    @John Johnson

    Politicians state what is politically correct at the moment, years later they change course. Bloomberg cant be held to account for his past politics. As president he would do what the people expect of him. One thing remains consistent with Bloomberg and that is he is brilliant.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  108. @map

    Sanders is a SINO–“Socialist In Name Only.” He won’t get to first base with his agenda and he knows it. Like all politicians he is an egomaniac who will say anything to get elected.

  109. @Wally

    Indeed, they are NOT “socialist.” They, like the rest of the West including Canada and, yes, the United States, are welfare states employing a mixed economy.

    • Replies: @Wally
  110. melpol says:
    @follyofwar

    My poor uncle was a great debater, nobody could beat him. But he never could earn a penny. Bloomberg is not a talented debater, but if given a half hour of prime time he would shine.

  111. Wally says:
    @Turk 152

    – Why should taxpayers be forced to pay the tuitions of those who made a CHOICE to major in Queer & Transgender Studies, Social Justice Propaganda, Marxist Studies, & Euro-Whites Don’t Matter ‘Science’?

    – Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Goverment didn’t demand coverages that most people don’t want, don’t need. Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Government didn’t prevent competition. Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Government didn’t pay for parasitical illegal aliens, on & on.

    -It was Communists like Bernie that made it impossible to take the filthy disease bearing & mentally ill “homeless” off the streets.

    – “Oil wars” my ass.
    Most of the big oil contracts from the invaded countries went to Russia, China, Iran, & a few to European companies in countries who spent nothing. We could have bought every drop of oil in those countries with the money we spent for the interests of “that shitty little country”.

    – You are incredibly naive.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  112. The guys who rolled back massive taxes on the rich are Bush and Trump backed by every white republican that ever existed.

    The irony being that Bloomberg got a huge tax break under Bush but poor Whites can’t have subsidized healthcare because it just isn’t in the budget.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  113. @map

    Bloomberg and communists do not have a conscience, the proof this is the zionist history of crimes in Russia and the ZUS and in Palestine and Iraq and Syria.

  114. @melpol

    One thing remains consistent with Bloomberg and that is he is brilliant.

    So brilliant means spending 500 million on an election only to have some borderline lesbo shrill take you down in a few minutes?

    No one doubts he is good at finance. But that doesn’t mean he is good at political strategy or would make a good president.

    I don’t know why you are bothering to defend him here. Like I said it is a waste of time. Even if you get past the Jew haters most of us are anti-globalist. In fact you will make a lot of people here suspicious if you keep running damage control for him. I would go over to Huffpo.

    • Replies: @melpol
  115. melpol says:
    @Desert Fox

    Bloomberg and Sanders are both clever and smart. They are Ashkenazim products of a thousand years of selective breeding. Their talents outshine accusations by bigots of immoral behavior.

  116. @melpol

    I stand by what I said, zionists are scourge of the earth.

    • Agree: Z-man
  117. @A. Hipster

    I don’t know, but he looks so strange that forwarding his material to “normies” would drive most people away from whatever he is espousing. Not saying that’s logical, just saying it is a fact.

  118. The scary thing about all of this is just how far this short whiny New Yorker got in the race through spending alone.

    Charisma? Not needed.

    Show up in front of supporters in primary states? Don’t have time for that, area is too white anyway.

    An original platform that shows your commitment and values? Just pay someone to plagiarize it.

    Enthusiasm and the ability to inspire others to great heights? Get outa’ heah.

    The bar was set so low for the guy and he balled up like a mute pansy and played apology hour. It was obvious that he didn’t do any real research or prep, aside from dodging attacks that he knew we imminent. No zingers or great comebacks; it appeared that the guy could not think on his feet under pressure at all. No energy, no leadership, no inspiration.

    Being surrounded by sycophants has some serious downsides, as this chump has obviously proven to us. Once he was actually behind the wheel and not paying someone else to do it all for him everything completely fell apart. Way worse than I predicted and so much more than I ever hoped for.

    With Boynie Sandahs they also get racial representation, so don’t feel too bad for the chosen.

  119. @RichardTaylor

    Well, more like an additional 10% of 10% of voters, but your point is largely sound.

    On the other hand, Trump could have won simply by enacting policies that tend to benefit all non-wealthy non-elite people who are working or sincerely trying to find work, of any race — while emphasizing the benefit of those policies to black voters in heavily African media markets. The small minority of African voters with an open mind can and should be reached. It doesn’t take much to hold or flip some big States that were razor-thin margins in 2016 (such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, if I remember right).

    Instead, he chose massive tax cuts for the top one tenth of one percent of income “earners” — bankers, financiers, inheritors of great wealth, military profiteers, social-media and other internet manipulators/censors, corporate outsourcers — yet more obscene profits for military contractors for their often mediocre products, more needless expense through continued occupations and deployments to no positive effect, and zero real progress reducing MASSIVE legal immivasion that displaces white and black Americans from our jobs. As Bush junior would say, “Heckuva job, Trumpy.”

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  120. @Jake

    It was not death for the Bloomberg campaign. He’s worth 65 billion.

    All Bloomberg needed to do was appear more sane and more mature than everyone else on the stage.

    He did that.

    Yes, the competition was poor and the bar was low.

    His comments about starting a business and getting Trump re-elected were great zingers that none of the candidates had good comebacks for.

  121. Turk 152 says:
    @Wally

    – Why should taxpayers be forced to pay the tuitions of those who made a CHOICE to major in Queer & Transgender Studies, Social Justice Propaganda, Marxist Studies, & Euro-Whites Don’t Matter ‘Science’?

    This is not what the vast majority of college students major in. And these insane academic programs are also a white thing. I can tell you all the foreign parents would break their kids balls if they made such a stupid choice with their education.

    – Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Goverment didn’t demand coverages that most people don’t want, don’t need. Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Government didn’t prevent competition. Outrageous medical bills wouldn’t exist if Big Government didn’t pay for parasitical illegal aliens, on & on.

    No, hospitals have an insane amount of monopoly pricing power and private insurance does not have the power to regulate their costs. This is a natural monopoly due to the very real importance of the service being provided. Free market solutions will not work in life or death situations because the buyer is willing to pay whatever is necessary to live.

    -It was Communists like Bernie that made it impossible to take the filthy disease bearing & mentally ill “homeless” off the streets.

    No, it was Reagan who eliminated the public mental health facilities in the country. But, I think most of the homeless are heroin addicts.

    – “Oil wars” my ass.
    Most of the big oil contracts from the invaded countries went to Russia, China, Iran, & a few to European companies in countries who spent nothing. We could have bought every drop of oil in those countries with the money we spent for the interests of “that shitty little country”.

    You honestly believe this? Just because the majority of the country did not benefit, does not mean that a tiny group of criminal oligarchs in the MIC did not make an insane amount of money from these wars. Newsflash, these Oil Wars are not designed to benefit you, US white oligarchs dont give a rats about you, that is Bernies point.

  122. @John Johnson

    None of the democratic candidates will attack Warren on the native thing because then they’ll have to acknowledge that being a brown, black, or red actually does give you an advantage in hiring. That would not only cede ground to the enemy saying that that is case, it’s heresy to their dogma and absolutely verboten. Just like the “whistleblower” not being named will stop him from having his identity leaked even though everybody already knows it’s Eric Ciaramella, they think refusing to speak thid obvious truth means it’s not actually true.

    Warren is protected by the religious dogma that guides her party so no candidate will date speak speak heresy against it

  123. map says:
    @Turk 152

    Taxes affect much more than the rich. They affect the business environment under which all companies, large and small, operate. The cuts in capital gains fuel massive returns in after-tax income, which is what you want if you want growth in the United States. Without it, everything else Trump did (like tariffs) would have been recessionary.

    The Trump tax cuts were important because they changed all the finance equations, green-lighting projects that otherwise would still be in the red. If it were not for the Federal Reserve and Congress fighting Trump, first under Paul Ryan and then under Pelosi, we would be at 4-5% growth.

    This “tax giveaway to the rich” is just some bs Democrat talking point that they have been bandying about for 70 years. It means nothing.

    Tell me…why are billionaires like Bloomberg so against Trump if he is giving them so many tax cuts and making them richer? Bloomie does not make money from tax cuts. He makes money from insider trading Federal Reserve information. His job is to present disinformation in his news network, so his hedge fund buddies have enough liquidity to take position opposite to where the market thinks the Fed is going to go. If Bloomie and his hedge fund buddies know that the Fed will increase the federal funds rate, then Bloomie seeds his network with stories about how the Fed is going to cut rates. That leads people to take long positions in the market, which creates enough liquidity for Bloomie and his buddies to take short positions.

    That’s where the Wall Street set makes its money. They couldn’t care less about tax cuts.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
    , @RadicalCenter
  124. melpol says:
    @John Johnson

    My preference is Trump in 2020, but I enjoy defending Bloomberg from the swarm of Bigots. Not every person dislikes Bloomberg because he is an Ashkenazim Jew, his politics turns off many viewers.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  125. Z-man says:

    I agree with Desert Fox that Zionists are the scourge of humanity.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  126. Truth3 says:

    Bloomberg is a placeholder for Hillary Clinton.

    He will turn over a ton of stolen money to Hillary when they draft her at the Convention.

    She won’t debate or campaign before the Convention.

  127. Truth3 says:
    @melpol

    One Jew talking to another.

    Take it the Israeli website.

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @John Johnson
  128. Biggest headline on the front of the Wall Street Journal today:

    ‘Bloomberg Hires Hundreds to Push Message on Social Media’

    Campaign is hiring workers for $2,500 a month to promote candidate to all their contacts

    Doesn’t this speak to every “anti-semetic canard” that is uttered against people of his tribe?

    Using media to manipulate and subvert public opinion so that you can sneak your real agenda in through all the chaos?

    Jews were never known for being popular- more like the despised teachers pets of humanity who suck up to those, and only those, who have access to power. It’s funny watching one of these rightfully hated chosen billionaires blow so many shekels trying to convince everyone that he is popular and well-liked.

  129. melpol says:

    Sanders and Bloomberg will be an unbeatable team in the 2020 presidential election. Two Jews as the nations leaders will boot the old guard and restore Representational Democracy. Jews are problem solvers and often were summoned by kings and royalty. Most European prime ministers were Jews because of their known excellency. One Jew might become confused, but two Jews will create full employment.

    • LOL: Mike P, Z-man, Desert Fox
  130. gsjackson says:
    @Anon

    And you were the civil rights generation, though that may have been an almost exclusively Jewish endeavor. In 1968, the first year that the colleges had four classes of baby boomers, Sports Illustarted ran a hatchet piece on Duke University, the upshot of which was that the silent generation, self-striving and social apathy were alive and well, and very much in evidence in Durham. Maybe the two generations should switch nameplates.

  131. Rooster says:

    No, you’re expecting too much from the average American. Most people will vote for whoever the nightly news casters tell them to. In one week, the people who watched the debate will almost have forgotten about it completely.

    Those who didn’t watch but typically vote democrat, will go to the poles and vote for anyone other than Trump… “because, like other people say he like totally says mean things, like right?”

    The DNC primary is just to give the impression to democrat voters that they have a choice. It doesn’t matter anyways, because they’ll hand it to Bloomberg at the convention. It will be fun watching the Bernie Bro’s burn down Milwaukee though; that should open a few eyes. However, most people will forget that also, and still vote democrat because of muh’ Russia or something

  132. melpol says:
    @Truth3

    Bigots on the Israeli websites are concerned mainly with bad mouthing Moses and Israel. My only interest is promoting the positive image of Ashkenazim Jews. Some of the Bigots that I have corresponded with agree that Jews are clever and smart. It pleases me to have altered the belief that only immorality is responsible for high Jewish achievements.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  133. A123 says:

    No. Bloomberg did not suffer fatally from the Debate.

    That comes later….

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    • Agree: Mike P
  134. @renfro

    ” She is sharper than a razor”

    Are you really this stupid or corrupt, or are you just pulling our leg?

    She is a lying grifter, a hypocrite millionaire commie, with a phoney perfesser title doctored into existance through a false identity

    You can only come up with shit, and I am wondering if you are even aware of how rediculous your nonsense is in fact.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, and pro Jazz performer.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @renfro
  135. Turk 152 says:
    @map

    A good finance guy, I respect that.

    Cost of capital has decreased, I agree fiscal policy is stimulative.

    The big problem with TCJA is that the IRS does not have the capacity to enforce amongst the plutocrat class is owns 80% of invested capital. I.e. once money hits a rich man’s pocket you will never see it again. The IRS can enforce at the corporate level.

    So tax give away for the in fact is not just some DNC talking point.

    Wasn’t aware of the mechanics of the Wall Street misinformation system. Thanks.

    • Replies: @map
  136. @Johnny Smoggins

    They are too stupid to recognize it for what it is.

  137. @Justvisiting

    Li’l Mike will have to send them early Channukah presents to make the NDAs hold, if not some Channukah gelt, a pallet of their favorite wine.

  138. @renfro

    How is Liz doing on funds?

    I was under the impression she was running low on wampum.

    • Replies: @renfro
  139. @Ludwig Watzal

    Michelle Obama[Michael Robinson] will be the Dems’ dark horse candidate. (No pun intended). All this propaganda for tranny acceptance is their way of softening up the public into accepting a man wearing a dress as a presidential candidate.

  140. @The Wild Geese Howard

    He did that.

    If you think Bloomberg had a good debate, you’re a goofball. Not even Bloomberg thinks that. And cuttingly the pre- and post-debate surveys show that Bloomberg suffered a major hit with voters.

  141. Wally says:
    @Prester John

    These so called “mixed economies / welfare states” that you prefer to call them are unsustainable over the long term, and if Communist Sanders becomes president, instead of a correction, all means of production & distribution will quickly be controlled by government thereby hastening the slide to ruin.

    Social spending in “mixed economies / welfare states” is necessarily cancerous in that the unproductive who increasingly benefit from the labor / taxes of others will continue to demand more & more of it to a point of critical mass when it all comes thundering down. Always has, always will.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  142. @GuestAug

    Why is Diminutive Mike running? According to Tom Luongo, Bloomberg has not a scintilla of interest in winning the White House. Instead, he is working to clear the way for the return of Little Miss Inevitability herself:

    https://tomluongo.me/2020/02/17/bloomberg-trojan-horse-clintonista-revival/

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  143. @JasonT

    I agree but it is also why the Dems will work even harder to stop him as they know he could win too. I doubt they actually want to win 2020 and one reason might be the economy. I don’t think Trump has any solution and they do not either so better to let him wear the mess which is coming and they can sweep to victory promising to clean up his mess. The only thing they do not want more is for Sanders to win. I don’t think he would do or be allowed to do a fraction of what he is promising his fans but the possibility might be keeping the lot of them awake at night. It is so serious they’ll drop all pretenses of decorum in the end and do whatever it takes. It is all just a puppet show. Nothing important gets decided by whoever wins the paper crown. It is just a placebo for the public.

  144. “It is going to take hundreds of millions of dollars in new ads to undo the damage done to Bloomberg’s reputation among the millions of voters who got their first impression of the mayor from the debate.”

    or put another, more famous way:

    ““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

    Welcome to the United States of Goebbels…….

  145. Art says:
    @renfro

    This is hysterical……someone went on wiki and added a date of death for Bloomberg and listed Cause of Death as Senator EliabethWarren….lol

    Thanks — too funny!

  146. @Authenticjazzman

    Agree totally, shes dumber than a box of rocks.

  147. @Truth3

    One Jew talking to another.
    Take it the Israeli website

    So I’m a Jew for criticizing Bloomberg and he is a Jew for defending him? Which one of us is getting paid by Israel? Both?

    The funny thing is that I’m probably the most Aryan looking person here. I’m more Germanic looking than the typical German.

    That’s how ridiculously out of touch with reality you guys are.

    A Unz you can criticize a thousand leftists but the moment you question whether Jews made your breakfast cereal soggy you must be ONE OF THEM.

    It’s so over the top that if there is a Israeli conspiracy here it is actually Unz with the goal of making Jew haters look completely ridiculous and unappealing to the mainstream.

  148. Art says:
    @melpol

    It pleases me to have altered the belief that only immorality is responsible for high Jewish achievements.

    There is no doubt that compounding immorality plays a huge part in Jew success. Jew banking is a curse on humanity and the world.

    The fact of Jew oligarchy and government and war is legendary and undisputable.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with morally inferior Jews.

  149. @Anon Mouse

    off-guardian explains why Bloomie was there

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/02/20/michael-bloomberg-the-democrats-billionaire-strawman/

    Bloomberg definitely there to serve a function. It couldn’t be more obvious if they’d put an actual straw-man on the stage, hung a sign that says “the elite” around its neck, and had Warren & Biden run at it with bayonets.

    Hot take. Makes a lot of sense, especially given this — they’re even giving Hillary a chance to disavow Bloomberg:

    That seems… really contrived. File under:

    – TV isn’t real

    – What narrative are they promoting here, and who benefits from it?

    If Bloomberg really is there just to be a strawman/ sin chicken, why couldn’t they just have Steyer play that role? He’s got quite a few shekels, has been a (((megadonor))) for a long time, and has certainly dumped a lot of cash into his campaign.

    Possible reasons: He doesn’t have the preexisting name recognition, prior history in politics, or the public image that Bloomberg does. He retired from banksterism to promote his “progressive philanthropy” back in 2012 or so, is a lifelong Dem (rather than a convert like Bloomberg), and doesn’t have any known history of backing “racist” policy positions. So overall Bloomberg makes a much better strawman.

    One thing that makes Bloomberg seem serious (apart from the sheer amount of cash he’s dumped into his campaign) is the big donations that he made during the 2018 cycle. In retrospect, that seems aimed at laying the groundwork for the 2020 campaign.

    What if Bloomberg should end up winning the nomination? Then they’ve got a candidate with many of the same perceived negatives as Trump, who is viewed with suspicion by the Dem party base… to run against Trump. Sounds like a good way to ensure Trump’s reelection.

    That sound familiar. Kind of an inverse Wendell Wilkie

  150. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    The website is filled to the brim with proof of Jewish crimes and treachery. Therefore, 98% of their defenders here are hasbara shills. The other 2% are either too new or too lazy to get a clue.

    • Replies: @Poco
  151. S says:
    @Priss Factor

    In a way, nothing has changed in the basic dynamics of American Immigration Policy.

    American immigration policy was always controlled by the ruling elites.

    That’s true.

    The template for the present ‘immigration policy’ can be found in 1619 Jamestown, where driven by a greedy desire to not pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor to their own Anglo-Saxon people, irresponsible and unscrupulous A-S elites imported African chattel slaves instead by diktat.

    [MORE]

    Chattel slavery in the British North American colonies soon ‘went viral’, when to ‘keep up economically’, other self serving A-S elites and hangers on also began to import African slaves, again at their own people’s great expense.

    During the early 19th century, under the cover of ‘abolitionism’, chattel slavery and it’s trade was monetized within the Anglosphere, that is it was distilled down to it’s financial essence and it’s profitability maximized, with the introduction of wage slavery via the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system.

    People being creatures of habit, the same horrid pattern of chattel slavery and it’s trade would continue, and for the same greedy reason of not wanting to pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor. As before, the cheap labor/mass immigration system would also be installed by diktat by irresponsible Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on, again at their own A-S people’s great expense.

    It too ‘went viral’, when ‘to keep up economically’, other A-S elites and hangers on adopted this malignant and nefarious wage slavery (‘cheap labor’) system.

    [Later European elites and hangers on arriving in the United States, ie German, French, Irish, Pole, Italian, Ukranian, etc, would follow this same destructive and virulent pattern of ‘keeping up economically’ regarding the hiring on of wage slaves (‘cheap labor’) at their own’s expense.]

    Circa 1851, like Mexico today, the Irish people were being preyed upon enmasse as a source of wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) for US manufacturing plants by American Anglo-Saxon elites.

    The London Times, in an editorial regarding the then US ambassador to the UK Abbott Lawrence and his visit to Ireland, openly declared this predation would directly result in the Irish being ‘known no more’ as a people due to their being ‘mixed’ out of existance in the United States.

    According to the Times, imported immigrants, ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and ‘which can submit to a master’, would replace the Irish people within Ireland itself.

    Ambassador Lawrence was also, probably not coincidentally, the patriarch of a powerful Massachusetts family of textile factory magnates. It was this Anglo-Saxon family which mid-19th century would finance the construction of both Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Mass, and it’s sister city, the ‘abolitionist’ center of Lawrence, Kansas.

    British occupied Ireland was a primary source of wage slaves (‘cheap labor’) for Massachusetts mills, where already mid-19th century the local Anglo-Saxon farmer’s daughters, the ‘Yankee Girls’, who had done the textile work, had been largely displaced by Irish and French Canadian imported so called ‘cheap labor’.

    According to the Spectator of London, during the same time period, the Irish entirely concurred with the Times accesment of what the ultimate genocidal results would be for them as a people.

    The Irish did not call their predation as wage slaves ‘mass immigration’, or a ‘helping hand’, but, rather, they called it ‘extermination’. And members of the British aristocracy in Ireland who were promoting the mass exodus of the Irish to the United States for wage slavery (cheap labor) purposes were being shot for doing so.

    It wasn’t ‘just’ Irish who were resisting this genocidal wage slavery (cheap labor) system mid-19th century. Anglo-Saxons in the United States formed the ‘nativist’ ‘American Party’ during this time in an attempt to stop their displacement and destruction due to the ‘immigration’.

    Did you happen to know it was in Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Massachusetts, which the ‘progressive’ recent debate participant and senator Elizabeth Warren chose to launch her 2020 presidential election bid from?

    They dote upon their slaves.

    The new boss, same as the old boss.

    [See the ‘comment’ link below for more details and links to the original scanned in 19th century articles which have been mentioned here.]

    ‘known no more’

    London Times (Sept 30, 1851) – The American Minister in Ireland

    “The prosperity and happiness he [Lawrence] speaks of may some day reign over that beautiful island. It’s fertile soil, its water-power, its minerals, and other materials for the wants and luxuries of man, may one day be developed; but all apearances are against the belief that this will ever happen in the days of the Celt.

    That tribe will soon fulfill the great law of Providence which seems to enjoin and reward the union of races. It [the Irish people] will mix with the Anglo-American, and be known no more as a jealous and separate people. Its present place will be occupied by the more mixed, more docile, and more serviceable race, which has long borne the yoke of sturdy industry in this island, which can submit to a master and obey the law…”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/chad-breeders/#comment-3726044

    https://matteroffact.tv/lawrence-mass-immigrant-city/

    • Replies: @Curle
  152. The malignant Dwarf was merely practicing “Hunger Games” President Snow’s oldest maxim:
    “Never let them see you lead”.

  153. anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Turk 152

    LOL. Wally sees through the holocaust fairy tales – and otherwise swallows whole every Breitbart and Fox News talking point, still fights the cold war and checks for reds under his bed every morning like true boomer.
    In addition, he is, in the year 2020, still parroting Ayn Rand libertarian bullshit. Sad!

    • Replies: @Wally
  154. renfro says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    She is a lying grifter, a hypocrite millionaire commie, with a phoney perfesser title doctored into existance through a false identity
    You can only come up with shit, and I am wondering if you are even aware of how rediculous your nonsense is in fact.

    You need serious mental intervention. You are obviously either in a loser rage or drunk every time you show up here. Typing away , spending your time putting down people far superior to you.
    You can’t even spell……it ‘s phony not phoney, it’s professor not perfesser, it’s existence not existance, it’s ridiculous not rediculous.

    Pathetic. …didn’t Mensa teach you to use spell check if you can’t spell?

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  155. renfro says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I don’t know…I don’t follow that closely but read this am that she and Bernie both raised 7 figures after that debate.

  156. @John Johnson

    It is not just poor people who can’t keep up with healthcare costs. It’s almost all of us, particularly in those decades after the young-and-perfectly-healthy stage most people get to enjoy.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @John Johnson
  157. joe862 says:
    @Justvisiting

    I’m surprised nobody has offered to pay damages for them by now. That’d be an hilarious trump move. Publicly offer to pay for any consequence to violating the NDA.

  158. In his ads Mayor Mike claims that he brought back New York City after 9/11 but what he doesn’t say is how his administration was part of the cover-up, as they fought strenuously in the Courts to suppress the many statements and accounts from fire department personnel and first responders that confirm that the Twin Towers and building #7 were demolished by explosives . See: “9-11 Review:Witnesses to the Tower’s Explosions.” 911review.com
    “A perusal of some of these accounts…suggests the reason that the City fought to keep them suppressed – the witnesses consistently describe loud bangs at the onsets of the events , and explosive features consistent with controlled demolitions.”

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  159. renfro says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I had to have some blood test last Fall and one came back questionable so I had to have a CT scan and more blood test….it turned out nothing was wrong with me, but the cost was $6, 400 of which after insurance I paid about $1,800 to best of memory cause one test wasn’t covered.
    I dont know how some families with children could squeeze that out of their monthly budget.
    20 years ago I had a tumor on my arm that had to be removed so I went to Duke, before I was even scheduled for surgery and hospital admission I had to pay $6000 up front. I’ve forgotten how much I paid altogether after insurance paid their part but it was considerable.

    Something really does need to be done about health care cost
    I did see where the majority of bankruptcies in the US were from medical bills.

  160. Ragno says:

    Mayor Mike is willing to take the incoming flak now…… because he understands the real battle for America comes later.

    • LOL: Turk 152
  161. @RadicalCenter

    It is not just poor people who can’t keep up with healthcare costs. It’s almost all of us, particularly in those decades after the young-and-perfectly-healthy stage most people get to enjoy.

    Oh I’m aware.

    Part of the reason I don’t care for this Jew hating is that it shows a disregard for poor Whites.

    It comes with an underlying assumption that any criticism of market based systems must be socialist or Jewish in origin.

    As if the system would be fine if not for Jews.

    That is total fantasy.

    What we need is a movement that is populist and doesn’t care about what the Jews are doing or not doing. Issues like health care should be entirely in the context of what is good for the people. It needs to be nationalist and globalist leftists can be told to move to the third world if they don’t like it. I’ll be first in line to tie a globalist to a cargo ship that is Liberia bound. Go create your globalist utopia somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  162. @Buck Ransom

    I think Tom has called it correctly there. Thanks.

  163. @Priss Factor

    But Bloomberg is running for the Democratic primary. High T manly responses don’t really froth their lattes.

  164. @melpol

    ‘… Some of the Bigots that I have corresponded with agree that Jews are clever and smart. It pleases me to have altered the belief that only immorality is responsible for high Jewish achievements.’

    Here I was thinking you were going to say you were pleased to have altered the belief that all Jews are clever and smart.

  165. @John Johnson

    Yes the important thing is to never notice or even name who your adversary even is, this is the very essence of ultra nuanced winning strategy.

    Jews are so powerless, impoverished, and lacking institutional pull… because they’re openly disdainful and hostile towards white christians. We must be more saavy than them!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  166. @Responder111

    Nah, Bernie is still negotiating his payoff for backing off and endorsing the anointed one when the nod is stolen from him this time. His campaign research probably involves perusing real estate catalogs.

  167. Ol establishment Pat. Living large on his govt. pension, probably receiving a social security check and having his healthcare bill paid by medicare and still fear mongering about muh socialism. Haha! Pat been sniffing Hannity’s farts for too long, give it up Pat, you’re not getting your own Faux News show..

    Be sure to get out and vote for Trump dumb goyims! He is the only one who can protect you from these super scary COMMUNISTS! and those super scary radical Islamic Terrorists!

    Yes, American goyim shouldn’t want dumb things like universal healthcare and tuition, those dumb things are reserved for Israel, you shouldn’t want all that money spent on yourselves, you should keep sending it to God’s chosen people in Israel. If poor white goyim received free tuition, many wouldn’t join the wonderful military to fight for Israel! Plus, lots of Gods chosen are execs and own lots of shares in these wonderful insurance corporations, you wouldn’t want them to go bankrupt now would you? Remember dumb goyim, God blesses those who bless Israel!

    We also have to start cutting back on granny goyims social security and medicare so we can give it to the MIC to protect Gods chosen in Israel. Again, lots of really wonderful Jewish people own lots of shares in the defense corporations, it would be a shame if they were to lose their millions and go bankrupt like the goyim do. Remember goyim were born to serve the Jews!

    These communists like Bernie Sanders also want to make wonderful chosen people such as Jeff Bezos pay taxes! Remember, taxes are for the goyim to pay! The elite welfare queens should not!

    The King of Israel will keep doing all these things! So vote Trump dumb goyims! Remember, anyone who thinks differently is a BOLSHEVIK!

    AIPAC, Alan Dershowitz and the wonderful Lloyd Blankfein agree! You goyim trust Ol Lloyd don’t ya? God bless Goldman Sachs and the rest of our capitalist overlords!

  168. @Wally

    Unfortunately, Bernie supporters don’t know who Stalin was, or anything at all about Communism. Colleges today don’t instruct, they indoctrinate.

    • Agree: Wally
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  169. @Sick of Orcs

    “Don’t you mean tomahawk?”

    Funny, she strikes me as being sharp as a bowling ball. Add up the IQ scores for the entire clown car (except for Bloomerg) and the total would still be in the severely retarded range.

  170. On Elizabeth Warren.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/26/elizabeth-warren-foreign-policy-team-pro-war-regime-change/

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/29/war-peace-and-presidential-candidates/

    I know people like to say Sanders won’t be able to get anything done, but he does have the labor movement behind him. He could call on those unions to organize, and shut down the system as we’ve seen in France to influence congress to pass some of his agenda. He has pretty much said he will do this. Will he? I don’t know. I’ve pretty much lost all hope his system can be reformed. But I think it would be worth giving him the chance. If nothing else it would finally put to rest the idea that the system can be reformed. Then the real fun begins.

    Like I’ve said before Warren has the backing of pretty much the entire Clinton machine, as well as MSM and the liberal Zionist elite like Bari Weiss. Not a good sign. They all despise Sanders.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Twodees Partain
  171. Janus says:
    @Anon

    Seeger, Burroughs and Kerouac are all WWII generation. As was Timothy Leary. Coltrane and Miles Davis are right at the borderline between WWII and Silent. Silent Generation really accounts for most of the people we stereotypically associate with the 60s. Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Hendrix, Tom Hayden, Ram Dass, most of the Black Panthers, Abbie Hoffman, etc.

  172. @9/11 Inside job

    For more on the subject of the World Trade Center being brought down by controlled demolitions, see Christopher Bollyn’s “Solving 9-11, The Deception that Changed the World.”

    Mr. Bollyn posits that in the months before 9-11, an extremely powerful form of “super thermite” was applied to inner surfaces of the towers — “perhaps in the ducts running through the concrete floors or on the undersides of the floor pans. When the explosive thermitic coating was detonated it pulverized the 4-inch thick concrete floors and the steel pans that held them. The intense heat released by the alumino – thermic reaction melted the steel pans, creating billions of tiny molten iron droplets that fell like burning hail from the apocalyptic clouds that rolled across lower Manhattan on 9-11.” (This passage is lifted from page 292 of his book.)

  173. The comedy never ends.

  174. Whitewolf says:
    @melpol

    What attributes were they selectively bred for?

    • Replies: @melpol
  175. @Anonymousse

    Yes the important thing is to never notice or even name who your adversary even is, this is the very essence of ultra nuanced winning strategy.

    In my state the Democrats are not Jewish and continue to scheme new ways to take my guns instead of facing the reality that 90% of “gun crime” is in non-White areas. So how are they not my adversary? Or am I supposed to believe that they are all Jew bots? I kind of doubt that since I have been around leftists and have been shocked by what they say in private. Meaning.. they know.

    I honestly wouldn’t care if you guys kept the Jews to maybe one out of ten articles. But we can’t even comment on a PB article without half a dozen guys yelling JEWS DUN IT. Beyond that the comments are disrespectful as if Pat has never looked at the Jewish question. Just because he doesn’t think it is worthy of discussion in every single article doesn’t mean he is completely unaware of any points you make.

    • Replies: @Rabbi Zaius
  176. Russ says:
    @melpol

    … they often wins the race.

    If dey buxom … I fuxem!

    • LOL: HammerJack
  177. Russ says:
    @Responder111

    If they steal the votes from Bernie again, I think he may go “Joker” on everyone this time!!!

    Given a lakehouse for quiescence, he arguably went Joker last time as well!!!

  178. Russ says:
    @Dutch Boy

    That is the most logical theory. Take the hits up front before primaries where you are not on the ballot and let the sting wear off before Super Tuesday. Furthermore, Bloomberg’s strategy seems centered around blizzarding media with ads, not on debate performances.

    One does have to wonder why he cajoled the DNC into bending the entry rules for him just so he could let the others paint him as the rich pompous sexist ass. He actually had some decent lines in the latter going, but by then Mistress Elizabeth had long since set the tone. So why he didn’t just surf undebated into Super Tuesday on his tsunami of ads I cannot fathom.

  179. @John Johnson

    if Buchanan still hasn’t found the courage to name the Jews, he should be shamed with every comment. You on the other hand, are not worth bothering to shame.

  180. @Hail

    Bozos…might be smarter

    Good four-word summary of the Democratic candidates

    Russell Baker used to refer to “Bozo the Congress”.

  181. @Priss Factor

    A reminder that Sen Sanders
    supports Israel as a Jewish state.

    Will somebody please come out and support it as a Christian state? Were the Crusades fought for naught?

    Anything but a caliphate…

  182. @Sick of Orcs

    If I were Trump she is the one I would not want to go up against……she is sharper than a razor.

    Don’t you mean tomahawk?

    Don’t laugh. In Virginia, the Indians’ obsidian blades were way sharper than anything the English had. Even glass.

    They just broke after a few uses.

  183. @Aardvark

    I am not yet discounting that the DNC will still find a way to stab Bernie at the convention and in rides Hil. I heard on the radio yesterday that “the Russians are already interfering in the election”.

    The sad thing about Russian interference is that is as likely to improve things as anyone else’s program.

  184. In my state the Democrats are “not Jewish” and continue to scheme new ways to take my guns…

    Follow the money — top 50 donors:

    Of the $361 million Democratic politicians and liberal causes received, 76 percent came from Jewish givers.

    Gun rights is a particularly poor choice of issues on which to engage in this sort of reflexive, unthinking semitic influence denialism.

    Who is behind gun control
    Jews and Jewish organizations lead the gun control campaign
    Zionist Jews Are At The Forefront Of Advancing Gun Control In The United States

    But perhaps you’ll find those sources offensive to your delicate sensibilities — so let’s see what the Tribe’s own “news” outlets have to say on the issue:

    My Jewish Learning: “Jews and Guns”
    “Jews, particularly American ones, have a longstanding aversion to guns. According to a 2005 American Jewish Committee study, Jews have the lowest rate of gun ownership of among all religious groups”
    “…major Jewish organizations have repeatedly thrown their support behind gun control measures. A 2013 list of prominent anti-gun activists compiled by the National Rifle Association included several of the largest Jewish groups.”

    The NRA, huh? Must be just another one of those groups of half a dozen guys running around yelling “DEM JOOS DUN IT!” for no reason at all…

    Perhaps My Jewish Learning is exaggerating slightly?
    The Jewish Daily Forward complains that the NRA’s list of Second Amendment denialist organizations “reads like a Jewish who’s who list.”
    Huh.
    “The groups listed by the NRA as enemies of the gun-rights cause could easily populate a Conference of Presidents meeting room. They include major Jewish national organizations, including the Anti Defamation League, American Jewish Committee, B’nai B’rith, and the Jewish Labor Committee; two major Jewish women organizations: Hadassah and National Council of Jewish Women; and the Central Conference of American Rabbis, which is the Reform movement’s rabbinical arm.”

    Jewish Telegraph Agency: “Jewish groups back Obama on gun control initiatives”
    “Representatives of the National Council of Jewish Women, Jewish Women International and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, the umbrella body for Jewish public policy groups, were present at the announcement of the initiatives. They were among an array of groups including the Reform movement’s Religious Action Center and its Central Conference of American Rabbis that praised the actions.”

    Haaretz claims that U.S. Jews find the Second Amendment to be “puzzling and abhorrent.””

    And just who do you think controls the media outlets that constantly promote narratives attacking gun rights?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  185. @Sin City Milla

    Unfortunately, Bernie supporters don’t know who Stalin was, or anything at all about Communism. Colleges today don’t instruct, they indoctrinate.

    Take time to explain to them what nationalizing Ben & Jerry’s and LL Bean will mean.

  186. @4justice

    But not by the deregulated banks incentivized into risky loans and creating products that were fraudulent in their declared risk ratings?

    Once the RACIAL reality about Blacks and Latinos being bad loan risks were made illegal to notice, there would inevitably be financial games to be played off of it. But what triggered it all was the desire by Dems and Republicans to make homeowners out of minorities in an unjust manner.

  187. @europeasant

    Remember, one of this nations religious beliefs is that “All People are Created”. Woe be they who transgress USSof A’s 1st Commandment.

    Of course, that belief would be alien to the actual Founders of the country who restricted citizenship to Whites only in 1790.

    • Replies: @Curle
  188. @RadicalCenter

    The GOP has been alienating the White working class for 60 years in order to get that coveted sliver of a sliver of the Black vote. All winning strategies involved getting more White voters. The so-called “Southern strategy”, the Reagan Democrats, etc, etc.

    Politics will be more openly racial going forward. Not the silly ass “I don’t see race” crap we’ve had to endure.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  189. Wally says:
    @redmudhooch

    said:
    “I know people like to say Sanders won’t be able to get anything done, but he does have the labor movement behind him.”

    Really?

    Union support for Donald Trump gives Big Labor chance to catch up: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/6/union-support-for-donald-trump-gives-big-labor-cha/

    Nevada culinary union lays into Sanders supporters after health care backlash: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/12/bernie-sanders-nevada-culinary-union-114687

    Amalgamated Transit Union flips support from Sanders to Biden: https://twnews.us/us-news/major-union-flips-support-from-sanders-to-biden

  190. 4justice says:
    @europeasant

    Just so long as we never hold the conmen bankers accountable, keep deflecting to their marks who allowed them to make more money out of thin air and mostly ended up without their homes. Some people will fall for it. Not all of us, but some.

  191. Wally says:
    @Turk 152

    – But it’s those who do major in such BS that want others to pay for their ignorant choices. They fucked themselves and now want taxpayers to pay up. STEM graduates actually get jobs and can pay for their choices.

    – People have healthcare choices unless they are forced by the barrel of a gun into the choiceless single payer, government health insurance like Bernie’s coercive agenda demands.

    -Free market choices mean they can switch insurers if they do not like their costs. Of course, as I stated, those costs now include ridiculous & massive government mandated costs which make it very difficult for insurance companies to lower costs. And you blame it on the victims and then call it a “monopoly”.

    – Free market solutions work beautifully when the government gets out of the way. Please review the points I made previously.

    – Reagan has been out office since 1989, the homeless problem was minor 31 years ago in comparison to what we have now. And no, he did not “eliminate mental health facilities”.
    see:
    https://www.gormogons.com/index.php/2013/03/reagan-didnt-close-down-mental-hospitals/
    and:
    https://www.quora.com/Did-President-Reagan-close-mental-health-hospitals-and-cause-a-dramatic-rise-in-homelessness-and-crime-in-America?share=1

    Look at the biggest centers of homelessness. All neo-Marxist / ‘Democrat’ run cities who refuse to remove them from the streets.

    Medieval Diseases Are Infecting California’s Homeless / Typhus, tuberculosis, and other illnesses are spreading quickly through camps and shelters.: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tuberculosis-medieval-diseases-spreading-homeless/584380/

    – I believe the facts, not your old & debunked ‘Blood for Oil’ canard, which is a Zionist attempt to deflect from their influence.. Don’t be a chump.

    – But you change your story to the MIC making lot’s of money, which very few, including myself deny, which is a completely different story.

    Regards.

  192. melpol says:
    @Whitewolf

    Paranoia is a selective attribute. The others are Wizardry with words and simple numbers. Value of merchandise. All combined are the essence of the Ashkenazim Jew.

  193. @Priss Factor

    The takeover of America and the world by the Synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 & 3:9) is almost complete, Rothchild (red sheild) agents all over the place,

  194. They’ll never let Sanders be the nominee. If necessary he’ll commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head. That’s how much he won’t be allowed to be the nominee.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  195. @Haxo Angmark

    “people of color”. Pat,

    That’s what they said down in the CSA, for whom his ancestors fought.

    “the democrats are the real rayciss’”

    Yes, but why?

    (Is English your first language?)

    yer a silly old boomer.

    The official term is SSBN:

  196. @Johnny Smoggins

    Let the SJWs, Bernie Bros and nice white ladies see Jewish corruption up close and in action.

    Such as teaching evolution in the schools, supporting labor unions, “progressive” income taxes, “single-payer” this and that, legal abortion, permitting pornography online, opposing Tim McVeigh’s execution, refusing to turn land over to the caliphate, poisoning Flint’s water, Pearl Harbor, the Lusitania

  197. @Buck Ransom

    Also see : budz82 ” 9/11 and the Israeli bomb expert infiltrated art groups: Gelatin (demo wiring team) and E-Team (sol – gel team ) ” steemit.com
    Did Israeli “artists” wire the Twin Towers with explosives and did Michael Bloomberg assist with the cover-up?

  198. @Buck Ransom

    For more information on the wiring of the WTC with explosives prior to 9/11, see budz82 : “9/11 and the Israeli bomb expert infiltrated art groups : GELATIN (demo wiring team) and E-TEAM (sol-gel team) ” steemit.com
    Did Israeli “artists” wire the Twin Towers and building#7 with explosives and did Michael Bloomberg assist with the coverup ?

  199. @melpol

    Selective breeding for egoism, greed, megalomania, and cruelty. Read the manual.

  200. @Priss Factor

    You can’t easily “change the elites” but you can recognize that in the end it is their MONEY that enforces political correctness as “the new normal.” The only thing for it is to reduce the role of money in politics and ultimately culture — though merely demonizing the elite would also help. Tucker Carlson has done good work on this front.

  201. @renfro

    I don’t see her sharpness, but I do see that she comes on as a scold, a shrew, a frigid dyke. (uh, horse-faced lesbian?)
    The one that would be hardest for Trump to beat is the only halfway likeable one, PTA Mom Amy Klobuchar. And she’s Jewish too so she would get that tailwind.”Our first Jewish and woman president!”
    With Mayor Mike’s money behind her.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @renfro
  202. The first line is straight out of the DR3 playbook, so I couldn’t stomach reading any further. Bloomberg will be the nominee, he was brought in to beat Trump while also assuaging the stock market. It really is that simple, because any “demonrat” except him would have that effect. Grug brains BTFO.

  203. I voted for Mayor Mike twice but abstained on principle to vote for him the third time and my instincts were on the money because he got the compliant New York City council to codify the rule against the mayoralty of more than two terms. Basically, what’s good enough for Mike wasn’t good enough for the next guy who wanted to be mayor for longer than Bloomberg reign. What a mindset!

  204. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    “..with the goal of making Jew haters look completely ridiculous and unappealing to the mainstream.“

    I agree. It’s overwhelming. Then there’s the curious lack of coverage of Soros, the modern day Jacob Schiff. Go figure.

    It was best phrased 100 years ago as “the Jewish question”. It allowed for nuance and thoughtful consideration.

  205. @9/11 Inside job

    See drjudywood.com to see how the WTC was destroyed and it was by DEWs also see wheredidthetowersgo.com.

  206. KenH says:
    @renfro

    I watched the debate. Warren left Mike and the rest bleeding out on the stage.
    If I were Trump she is the one I would not want to go up against……she is sharper than a razor.

    Be careful what you wish for because when Lizzy is pressed for details on her radical plans and the money required she stammers, gets the deer in headlights look and can’t give straight answers. Sure, she’s great for a few debate zingers but that’s about it and she’s just a woke scatterbrain that will say anything to titillate the growing left wing fringe. Her presidency would be a complete disaster.

    I don’t much support Trump anymore but he’ll have a field day with her and make her look wide eyed and speechless just like she did to Bloomberg.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @renfro
  207. @Haxo Angmark

    It’s Mini Mike, Mr. Buchanan. Just say it

  208. @WorkingClass

    I disagree, simply because I expect it will prove to be a most entertaining election season

  209. @James Forrestal

    Follow the money — top 50 donors:

    Well I actually looked up my Governor and he isn’t funded by Jews.

    He is funded by small donations from White workers.

    That Sailer blog is interesting but poorly sourced. He should have made some data tables instead of just telling us what he found.

    And just who do you think controls the media outlets that constantly promote narratives attacking gun rights?

    Every single media outlet in the US is against guns. The same is true for Western Europe

    If Jew media = anti gun you have to make a better argument because media = anti gun.

    Let’s look at Minnesota.

    Here is the opinion editor:
    http://www.startribune.com/scott-gillespie/10644906/

    Total leftist and not Jewish.

    As I pointed out before Minnesota shouldn’t have leftists in the media or government since they have very few Jews. But that isn’t the case.

    In fact the opposite is true. There is huge problem with White leftists trying to cover up crimes by the Somalis and said leftists are the idiots that brought them in. They are mostly Lutheran.

    I don’t live in Minnesota but I live in a similar state where my adversaries are not primarily Jewish. They are also not Jew bots. Professional leftists know they are lying. Any leftist activist over 25 is fully aware that the left has to lie about race and other issues.

  210. “Was the Debate Beat Down Fatal for Mayor Mike?”

    We can all hope so. Revelations now tell us that this is a man of much darker character than many thought.

    Using a friendly epithet like “Mayor Mike” hardly seems fitting.

    Here’s some of the stuff that’s been dug out on him recently plus the real reason this Republican is running in a Democratic race:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2020/02/21/john-chuckman-comment-more-about-michael-bloomberg-what-he-appears-actually-to-be-doing-as-a-democratic-candidate-he-used-to-be-a-republican-and-the-dark-stuff-being-turned-up-about-him/

  211. map says:
    @Turk 152

    I don’t know all of the details about the TCJA. I am just defending capital gains tax cuts. In fact, I think capital gains taxes should be zero. This is money people play with to try to get rich or richer. This is investment capital, speculative capital and innovation capital. It is exactly the kind of activity that must be encouraged and the best way to encourage that is to tax none of it.

    Remember, workers get paid first. Before “some rich guy” can call a profit on his investment, he has all kinds of people that need to get paid first. The volume and acceleration of this activity is what fuels employment, wage growth and a higher standard of living, even if the investments ultimately fail… and a lot of them will. Think of all of the money invested and lost in the car industry…yet lots of working class and middle class people sustained themselves on this investment.

    The Democrats have been arguing about “taxing the rich” since 1920. In the entire period that Democrats have made this argument, positioned themselves as the “working man’s party” and controlled the House until 1995, the level of income inequality and the concentration of wealth has done nothing but go up. Oh…and Democrat politicians became millionaires in office.

    This whole “tax the rich” thing is a farce. I’d rather utilize their greed for something useful.

  212. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Sane and mature? He looked and acted like a petulant, spoiled child who was told to go stand in a corner for the first time in his life. And no one paid attention to what you call his “zingers” because no one could hear them over the sound of his drowning.

    I’m amazed at how many people here think Bloomberg is some kind of hero, especially after we all had a good look at what he really is.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  213. nsa says:

    As usual, Papist Paddy, the aged Nixon stooge, has avoided fingering the exact dilemma…..Billions Bloomie and Bolshie Bernie are real jews whereas Trumpstein, ADL Amy, Pete ButtFudge, Boomer Biden, and Wampum Warren are simply useful idiots doing the jew’s bidding. America deserves a real jew in charge of the executive branch, making the U.S. government a perfect trifecta. Americans worship a mythical jew zombie. America runs on a jew concocted financial system. America promotes foolish jew wars. So Americans should have their heart’s desire…..a real jew prez. It’s almost nature’s will.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  214. @John Johnson

    The funny thing is that I’m probably the most Aryan looking person here. I’m more Germanic looking than the typical German.

    That’s how ridiculously out of touch with reality you guys are.

    Oh, my sides…my sides…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  215. @jack daniels

    I don’t see her sharpness, but I do see that she comes on as a scold, a shrew, a frigid dyke. (uh, horse-faced lesbian?)

    Did you see the beer video?

    I’m not convinced she likes men. She kind of pats her husband on the butt and then gets rid of him.

    Or maybe like a lot of libs they sort of marry a purse husband that they aren’t that attracted to.

    I saw this all the time when I lived in a lib area. All these liberal women with husbands they didn’t find appealing because the men were gender neutral and submissive.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  216. @map

    I don’t know all of the details about the TCJA. I am just defending capital gains tax cuts. In fact, I think capital gains taxes should be zero.

    So then a leftist that inherited a billion dollars in stock wouldn’t have to pay taxes. Just sell off a million a year and pay nothing.

    Which means small business owners have a tax rate of around 50% in some states but a leftist heir would have a tax rate of zero.

    You should go work for Fox or Club for Growth.

    • Replies: @map
  217. @KenH

    Yes, quite so. As you imply, there is this other matter, which gets precious little attention: the ability to deliver zingers in a debate may be entirely unrelated to the ability to govern well.

  218. @9/11 Inside job

    According to Christopher Bollyn , Michael Bloomberg is “master of the 9/11 coverup” . See : “Why is Michael Bloomberg ‘Knight of the British Empire’ running for President” bollyn.com
    Bollyn states that “The first thing that comes to mind is 9/11…As the post 9/11 Mayor for 12 years , Bloomberg managed the suppression of 9/11 truth in the City where thousands of people are victims… and where many people know the official story is a pack of lies. He oversaw the construction of the 9/11 memorial and museum , an institution dedicated to protecting the official myth , which he runs as chairman of the board …It seems very likely that Bloomberg has been asked to run as President to preserve and to continue to manage the 9/11 deception and coverup at the national level .”

  219. @HammerJack

    Oh, my sides…my sides…

    Uh-huh.

    In other threads I have pointed out racial differences that others were unaware of, especially in medicine. I came to this blog when SWPDL was moved.

    However when I question that Jews are the cause of liberal Whites I’m accused of being a paid Jew.

    So aren’t Jews against talking about racial differences more than anything? See the problem here?

    Many of you really need to spend time around White leftists. In fact your focus on Jews shows that most of you haven’t lived in a liberal area. A leftist like Warren knows she is lying. Why do you think she is so against charter schools? She is aware that the education gap can’t be fixed through liberal theories. Leftists like her are correct in assuming that charter schools will make a mockery of already failing liberal theories by letting them take the better students and sinking the public average. This is why they want to close charter schools and expand busing. It’s all to fudge the averages. They don’t believe in their own theories and if you pointed out that Jews disproportionately fund the DNC (which is true) they wouldn’t care one bit.

    In fact pointing that out to them would just reinforce their belief that White men are a serious problem because they are able to use the internet to point out reality. It doesn’t matter that leftists dominate education and the media. They are terrified of White men on the internet spilling the beans and don’t care one iota about what the Jews are doing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  220. map says:
    @John Johnson

    “So then a leftist that inherited a billion dollars in stock wouldn’t have to pay taxes. Just sell off a million a year and pay nothing.”

    Leftists already do this: they are called charitable trusts and foundations. Leftist billionaires have already shielded their wealth in all kinds of nonprofits that do everything from pay their expenses to lobby Congress to provide comfortable sinecures for their children.

    Meanwhile, if a small business wants to expand, they have to contend with a previously high 35% capital gains tax.

    Get this: you are never taxing the rich. There is a reason why the tax code is 100,000 pages. The Democrats have been selling a bill of goods for 100 years.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  221. Cassandra says:
    @John Johnson

    Who gives a damn if you “look Aryan”? What a fatuous horse dropping, but thanks for the laugh.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  222. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    You’re protesting too much. Also, you’ve changed the narrative from not believing us, “Jew haters”, to giving us friendly advice on how to “point out reality” about Jews to Liberal soccer moms. How did that happen? When did you become a fellow Jew hater?

    Please don’t answer these rhetorical questions. You’ve done enough off-topic whining in this thread.

  223. renfro says:
    @jack daniels

    Sounds like you are quite willing to live in the United States of Israel with those two.

  224. @map

    Leftists already do this: they are called charitable trusts and foundations. Leftist billionaires have already shielded their wealth in all kinds of nonprofits that do everything from pay their expenses to lobby Congress to provide comfortable sinecures for their children.

    How is wealth hiding a reason to give them a 0% tax on capital gains that we know about? That is insane.

    Well Bloomberg you probably have money stashed offshore but we’ll give you 0% on anything we see on the books.

    Get this: you are never taxing the rich. There is a reason why the tax code is 100,000 pages. The Democrats have been selling a bill of goods for 100 years.

    There was a huge drop in capital gains revenue after the Bush tax cuts. California increased their capital gains tax and had an increase in revenue. Do explain why Bloomberg should get a 0% rate and the government should get less revenue.

    I’m amazed the Jew haters here never bring up Rand. A mind wipe cult if there ever was one.

    • Replies: @map
  225. @Inquiring Mind

    Bloomberg’s ancestors played no role in the establishment of American independence.

  226. @map

    Meanwhile, if a small business wants to expand, they have to contend with a previously high 35% capital gains tax.

    Over 99.9% of small businesses don’t expand through capital gains.

    The top rate isn’t 35% anymore and that doesn’t take state rates into account or the self-employment tax.

    Please don’t try and push libertarian BS here. Take it over to Fox news.

  227. Turk 152 says:
    @map

    Again, the basis of your arguement on taxation relies on ability to enforce tax policy. No such power exists. Our plutocrats, where all the concentration of wealth exists, can hire a team of tax attorneys from Skadden to overwhelm IRS resources.

    Ideally there would be a single level of progressive taxation at the individual level based on disposable income. 3 picassos instead of 2, at a certain point the money becomes meaningless. Becoming so rich like Bloomberg where you have the power to buy politicians, corrupt the democratic process, launch wars for your pet causes and manipulate markets as you adroitly pointed out is exactly why we should have taxes. All that money creates a tremendous moral hazard.

    Encouragung speculative capital should not be policy, policy should be to channel investments into productive assets. Speculative capital bankrupts Greece, created Soros, distorts housing prices which creates homelessness. You may individually benefit, but society losses. 2017 was entirely speculative capital which transferred home ownership to banks, Mnuchin and the like and away from middle class America.

    Emperically, lower corporate taxes also discourages corporate employment as it becomes marginally more costly to employ labor. Employees used to cost 65 cents on the dollar and now they cost 79.

    We also have problems of corrupt, dynastic wealth i.e. Bushes, Rockefeller, Windsor, Bronfman (sp), Rothschild, that live as defacto Monarchs.

    I am not advocating taxes on the middle class, although that is where it ends up falling, i am whole heartedly advocating significant taxation at the top echelons. I am talking about the guy with the McMansion, Mercedes and a 10 million in his investment account. I am talking about people like Bloomberg that are so rich they can distort the world for their own personal benefit.

  228. Turk 152 says:
    @map

    The reason the tax code is 100,000 pages is because it is covering every single transaction in the most complex and sophisticated economy in the world, creating incentives for economic activity, and fending off the schemes of very smart attorneys who spend their lives distorting the intention of the tax code as soon as the last page was printed.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  229. Wally says:
    @anonymous

    said:
    “Wally sees through the holocaust fairy tales – and otherwise swallows whole every Breitbart and Fox News talking point, still fights the cold war and checks for reds under his bed every morning like true boomer. In addition, he is, in the year 2020, still parroting Ayn Rand libertarian bullshit. Sad!”

    – Ah yes, you’re another clown who dodges what I post. Please review.

    – I post countless sources other than Breitbart & Fox, but hey, you can’t even refute Fox & Breitbart. LOL

    – Furthermore you ignore Bernie’s avowed, out dated, but very real Communist agenda. Hey, I’m just the messenger, Bolshevik Bernie’s agenda is the message.

    -The Cold War was not about Bernie, it was about Communist USSR which you apparently now deny was Communist. LOL

    – What “Ayn Rand libertarian bullshit” am I “parroting”? And why is it “bullshit”?

    You’re all Antifa talk & puffery with no substance.

  230. Poco says:
    @Anonymous

    It always infuriates me that article after article offers incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, and then the trolls show up and say there is no proof of any wrongdoing by jews to benefit Israel. Their argument is that all that evidence isn’t evidence, it’s hate. If one didn’t hate them before that is enough to make one consider hating them.

  231. @Turk 152

    Right on many of your points, sir.

    One quibble.

    First, nonsense grievance and perversion studies courses are by no means a white bailiwick of white people anymore. Hundreds of thousands of nonwhite students have taken and are taking courses in colleges here in California, including Latinos (the new majority of the State) and Asians (more numerous than nonHispanic whites in most LA County and even Orange County towns).

    The universities you may be thinking of on the east coast, where I’m from, or the Midwest, are collectively dwarfed in student population by California’s government uni/college system alone.

    The children of foreign-born Asian and Latino immigrants are wasting their parents’ money, their own borrowed private money, and where applicable taxpayer-subsidize grant and loan money, on these things en masse.

    So the indoctrination of young people through university “education” is pan-racial. Young “americans” of all backgrounds waste their time and sometimes our money being taught to resent whites, selectively criticize whites and the USA for doing what many peoples did (slavery, racial preferences for the founding population, imperialism and aggressive wars, etc.), indulge in or glorify morally deviant and unhealthy dead-end lifestyles (homosexuality, sodomy and worse), even mental illness (“transgenderism”), an entitlement mentality, and the rest.

    I have come to be thoroughly with you on the military profiteering. Same with the ruthless financial rape of the American people by most doctors, hospitals, and the medical investors behind them. Doctors generally seem greedier and less compassionate than random people chosen off the street. Heartless bastards, these practitioners of the supposed “healing arts.”

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  232. @John Johnson

    In retrospect, I wish I had voted for Perot instead of bush in ‘92. In fact, if I could go back and do things over, I would change all my Republican general-election votes to third party. Ah, 20/20 hindsight.

  233. @map

    Tax giveaway to the ultrarich doesn’t mean nothing just because you say it doesn’t. It’s unwise and unjust.

    Look at the billionaires, who they are, how they made their money, the evil they do with their money, and the way they control and influence the government with that money. You’re really going to serve as their apologist?

    The ultrarich are typically not honest, upstanding, loyal Americans who identify with and care for their countrymen. This should be apparent for some time now.

    Trump and congress should have at worst kept the top fed income rate the same, perhaps raised it — albeit starting at a much higher level (like $10 million per year household income for a married couple instead of $600,000-something).

    Allocate that budget / revenue “space” to truly large rate cuts for the middle and upper-middle-income earners, all the way from incomes below my family up through very successful and decent small- and midsized-business owners.

    Ideally, collapse all brackets below the top bracket into one flat low rate, en route to phasing out the Fed income tax entirely for the 99%. The bottom half or so of income earners don’t pay any net Fed income tax anyway — particularly after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit — while those of us between roughly the 80th and 95th percentiles pay plenty without having an easy time getting by and saving for the future.

    Now THAT would be both better policy and better politics.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @map
  234. @RadicalCenter

    Look at the billionaires, who they are, how they made their money, the evil they do with their money, and the way they control and influence the government with that money. You’re really going to serve as their apologist?

    This is a big head scratcher for me. Why are so many libertarians and conservatives demanding a tax cut for the Bloombergs of the world? So they have even more money to give to liberal organizations? This is madness.

    It gets even weirder when White nationalist Jew hating types start quoting Rand or push for a flat tax. Oy vey might want to look at who headed the Chicago School.

    Gotta wonder how many Christian conservatives would re-think things if they found out their hero Rand was a Christian hating Jewish atheist.

  235. Turk 152 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    To quote a.conversation from my High School Senior:

    Me: Why do you only hang out with Asians?

    Son: Dad, you have us studying all the time and playing classical music. The only people that care about that stuff are Asians, who else would I hang out with?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  236. @WorkingClass

    WorkingClass: You have a valid point. However, waiting in the wings is the Georgia Manatee, who has stated publicly she is “open” to a Veep slot. Ms. Stacy would insure his defeat in the general election. Even with Tulsi, who has publicly stated her position about bringing the troops home is not credible. The fact exists that whoever occupies the Criminals’ Timeshare at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue will get their marching orders from the Wall Street Illuminatti and their Zionist puppet masters. Sad that.

  237. map says:
    @John Johnson

    There was a huge drop in capital gains revenue after the Bush tax cuts. California increased their capital gains tax and had an increase in revenue. Do explain why Bloomberg should get a 0% rate and the government should get less revenue.

    I’m amazed the Jew haters here never bring up Rand. A mind wipe cult if there ever was one.

    California runs huge budget deficits and has an unpayable state debt. California is, basically, bankrupt…as are most high-tax blue states. They can’t even provide basic services like water and power or prevent forest fires or fix a dam with all of the revenue they collect.

    Why is that? I thought their high taxes should have solved all their problems.

    Well, it doesn’t…because there is no linear relationship between tax increases and tax revenues. Hey, here’s a novel idea. Let’s raise the federal income tax to 100%. That will raise the government budget to $22 trillion a year. With that, we can cover the national debt, cover the deficit, provide free health care, free education, etc. Why not? Sure…your take-home pay will be zero but everyone will still come to work anyway, right?

    Your big-tax proposals neither raise the revenue you think you will nor do they punish the people you want. Instead, lower taxes to optimize economic activity and, therefore, optimize government revenue. With economic growth, you will get more tax revenue, and with tax revenue you can pay for collective goods.

    What’s the problem?

  238. @redmudhooch

    Why should unions support Sanders? You have to refer to unions because there’s no such thing as a labor movement anymore. Sanders would wipe out all unions except the federal public tit addicts’ unions with his open borders policies.

    What unions support Sanders?

  239. @RichardTaylor

    This all important black vote is a media myth, anyway. How does 13% of the population with maybe 40% of them being eligible voters amount to any big voting bloc? GOP pandering to them goes back to the military occupation of the defeated Confederate states.

    The Union League made former slaves the “40 Acres and a Mule” promise that was never intended to be kept and black Americans still remember that treachery and the abandonment of blacks by the retreating GOP, so why should the GOP even bother?

    Getting 100% of the black vote doesn’t amount to shit in a national election, except for bragging rights in the media. Look at Hillary Clinton. She got 150% of the black vote and lost anyway.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  240. @Cassandra

    Johnny thinks that he can be whatever he likes on an anonymous internet forum. Come to think of it…… I suppose he can. You’re right, though. Yaphet Kotto could say the same thing on UR and as long as he was posting under another name, who would know, or care?

  241. Hibernian says:
    @map

    Capital gains should be based on inflation adjusted asset values and taxed at a lower rate than income.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
    , @map
  242. Hibernian says:
    @nsa

    …Papist Paddy…

    Back to the 1840s.

  243. Hibernian says:
    @Turk 152

    It’s 100K pages because there are high rates offset by umpteen billion special provisions for special interests.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  244. Turk 152 says:
    @Hibernian

    I buy a house for $100k with dads money, 10 years later it is worth $10 million, because I gambled on the next banking asset bubble and won. I spend my time surfing for 10 years. Meanwhile my working stiff colleague slaves away at what’s left of a factory and has no retirement. Why should working stiff be taxed more?

    • Replies: @map
    , @Hibernian
  245. renfro says:
    @KenH

    I don’t much support Trump anymore

    Sorry but anyone who voted for a crude blowhard con man who went bankrupt not once but 6 times and thought he could run a country isn’t qualified to judge any candidate.
    And don’t give me the ‘you must have voted for Hillary crap…Nope I didnt vote for either cause both of them were trash…I wrote in a name.
    Trump against Warren or most any of the others will show up as what he is… a loud and incoherent narcissist playing to the dregs of society.

    • Replies: @KenH
  246. map says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Look at the billionaires, who they are, how they made their money, the evil they do with their money, and the way they control and influence the government with that money. You’re really going to serve as their apologist?

    No, I just don’t want to destroy the entire business environment just to go after a bunch of oligarchs. Why not just arrest or exile the Soros’ and the Bloomberg’s and confiscate their wealth? No, let’s completely wipe out the economy in the process, like the Soviets and the Maoists and the Cubans and the North Koreans and the Argentinians and the Venezuelans did, with massive taxes, land reform and regulations. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    I’m sure Russian peasants with a single cow and plot of land were surprised when the Bolsheviks showed to take what little they had. They, too, thought the Revolution only applied to the Tsar.

    Trump and congress should have at worst kept the top fed income rate the same, perhaps raised it — albeit starting at a much higher level (like $10 million per year household income for a married couple instead of $600,000-something).

    Ideally, collapse all brackets below the top bracket into one flat low rate, en route to phasing out the Fed income tax entirely for the 99%. The bottom half or so of income earners don’t pay any net Fed income tax anyway — particularly after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit — while those of us between roughly the 80th and 95th percentiles pay plenty without having an easy time getting by and saving for the future.

    I want to get the economy going and I want the practical aspects, the everyday policy of truck and barter, to be taken care of…not revolutionary experimentation. You’re going to learn the hard way exactly how much that experimenting applies to you.


    Allocate that budget / revenue “space” to truly large rate cuts for the middle and upper-middle-income earners, all the way from incomes below my family up through very successful and decent small- and midsized-business owners.

    The problem with that is that a lot of these small businesses are not economically important. The large enterprise are. So you want the capital to stagnate among those most able to deploy it, and it want it to flourish among those least able to deploy it? Why not make it possible for both?

    Ideally, collapse all brackets below the top bracket into one flat low rate, en route to phasing out the Fed income tax entirely for the 99%. The bottom half or so of income earners don’t pay any net Fed income tax anyway — particularly after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit — while those of us between roughly the 80th and 95th percentiles pay plenty without having an easy time getting by and saving for the future.

    Yeah, that’s fine.

  247. map says:
    @Hibernian

    Capital gains taxes should be zero.

  248. map says:
    @Turk 152

    “I buy a house for $100k with dads money, 10 years later it is worth $10 million, because I gambled on the next banking asset bubble and won. I spend my time surfing for 10 years. Meanwhile my working stiff colleague slaves away at what’s left of a factory and has no retirement. Why should working stiff be taxed more?”

    Perfectly ok with lowering income taxes.

    • Replies: @A123
  249. Hibernian says:
    @Twodees Partain

    The Union League made former slaves the “40 Acres and a Mule” promise that was never intended to be kept and black Americans still remember that treachery and the abandonment of blacks by the retreating GOP, so why should the GOP even bother?

    Black exit from the GOP began in 1932 with FDR’s election to his first term. This was about 65 years after the “40 acres and a mule promise” was broken.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  250. Hibernian says:
    @Turk 152

    A hundred to one ratio. Very realistic.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  251. A123 says:
    @map

    This is why TARIFFS are a good idea. Tracking “income” and classifying it by “method” for tax purposes is too easy for any government to abuse.

    Repeal the XVI Amendment

    PEACE 😇

  252. @map

    California runs huge budget deficits and has an unpayable state debt. California is, basically, bankrupt…as are most high-tax blue states.

    What does that have to do with them receiving increased revenue from their capital gains tax after libertarians like yourself screamed that it wouldn’t work?

    They have a surplus right now but importantly I could list a dozen countries that treat capital gains equally and *SHOCKER* their economy works just fine. People like Bloomberg continue to sell stock. It’s just a number to him anyways.

    Well, it doesn’t…because there is no linear relationship between tax increases and tax revenues. Hey, here’s a novel idea. Let’s raise the federal income tax to 100%.

    Predictable response. I ask why Blooomberg should have a capital rate of 0% and you suggest 100% to somehow prove any rate is a bad idea. That is completely irrational.

    You guys lose this debate every single time.

    I’m an ex-libertarian btw and I can’t believe I used to make these same arguments.

    • Replies: @map
  253. Cassandra says:
    @map

    There is of course a diminishing return in raising taxes too high, but there is also no evidence whatsoever that precipitously lowering taxes raises revenue.

    The Laffer curve is quite simply voodoo economics.

    There is a sweet spot that works to keep incentive high, revenues sufficient, and the debt on a better trajectory. Our current track is unsustainable.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @gsjackson
    , @map
  254. Turk 152 says:
    @Hibernian

    Yes, that is exactly what they teach you in law school, blow out someone assumptions and you can easily see how ridiculous they are.

  255. Angharad says:
    @europeasant

    Noseberg’s commercials are blaming Whites for Da Ebbils ob de Turribul Slabbery – even though Jews ran the slave trad eand were the largest demo of slave OWNERS by far – and he’s suckng up to Blacks and essentially offering to buy them off.

  256. slammy says:
    @Wally

    What a stupid fucking idiot you are: you would rather have Trump, an oligarch billionaire who doesn’t give a shit about trailer park trash such as yourself win 2020–instead of the ONLY candidate, Bernie Sanders who actually is running a platform for everyday working class Americans.

    What has Trump done for the lowlife American white trash, i.e. Unz.com readers? Not a fucking thing. What has Trump done for the billionaire class? Tax breaks for the highest income earners (while raising taxes on low income shit job workers!), pardoning billionaire hedge-fund criminals, and selling off U.S. national parks to oil and gas interests. National parks which were originally created for working class Americans to enjoy.

    Trump supporters at Unz.com: your are the white trash peasantry of USA. You are too fucking dumb to understand Trump is only using you for votes and will not do anything for you if re-elected. He only cares about other billionaires, the oligarch upper-most 1%.

    Oh–but on the bright side Trump will probably start a major war with Iran which means the white trash Trump supporter U.S. military poverty draft will kick in: that means more of the Unz.com readers will be sent to Iran to die, so at least there is that positive aspect to your guy winning in 2020 😀

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @KenH
  257. Hibernian says:

    “…a platform for everyday working class Americans.”

    “What has Trump done for the lowlife American white trash…”

    In the second of the two excerpts above, you reveal your true feelings about people whom you profess to champion in the first.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  258. KenH says:

    Well it looks like Mayor Pedo is starting to fade. His pandering to blacks and illegal aliens isn’t helping him based on his dismal performance in Nevada with its 40% latino and black population.

    Right now it seems like Bolshevik Bern is gaining a lot of energy and generating enthusiasm like Trump did for the Republican base in 2016. Trump is dialing back his attacks on Democrats and the left in general and playing it safe unlike in 2016

    In 2016 he was playing to win and taking no prisoners but now it’s like he’s campaigning not to lose and running on a vanilla platform. It’s almost like Jeb Bush is running his re-election campaign.

    Trump seems to think that all he needs to do is carnival bark about low black unemployment, rebuilding the military and the best economy eva and he’s got this in the bag. But the always be positive-don’t offend-and play it safe strategy is how McStain and Willard Mittens got trounced in the general election and how Jeb Bush got demolished early in the Republican primary in 2015-16.

  259. KenH says:
    @slammy

    It doesn’t matter whether Trump, Sanders, Biden or Bloomberg is president. Jewish trash always wins regardless of who sits in the oval office so you can relax and stop pulling on your sidelocks.

  260. El Dato says:
    @Wally

    That’s a shitty meme.

    Protip: Stalin doesn’t support anything. He’s dead.

  261. Antonius says:
    @Priss Factor

    Allowing yourself to be bitch-slapped in public by Pocahontas make you look like a diminutive gelding. How on earth do you propose to lead the free world

  262. The utter folly of representational politics.
    Mike Bloomberg is far more accomplished and capable than any of his opponents. Not only did he successfully govern the most difficult city in the country. In addition to keeping crime low – he put away money into reserves which is almost unheard of in a city where unions have so much power – and he retooled the economy for the 21st century – unlike other rust belt cities. Oh and before he did that he built one of the most powerful information age companies in the world – from scratch. And he is not racist. Before he was ever mayor he was known for promoting minorities into his company. That is a measurable fact.

    • Replies: @Turk 152
  263. @Cassandra

    Exactly!!! Too many people on both extremes. There is such a thing as taxes that are too low (see Hong Kong)… There is also such a thing as taxes that are too high and sap incentive (like Warren and probably Sanders proposals). The same is true of interest rates. There is indeed a “sweet spot” in both. Thankfully there are some out there like yourself who know. The issue with both taxes and borrowing – even in that sweet spot – is to make sure they are both done with the most effective use of the money.

  264. @map

    Just for the record… Most “low tax red states” are only viable because of the money transfer in Washington DC which takes more from the rich blue states and gives to the red. Check the balance. NY – NJ – CT – MA – MD – CA all give more to DC than they get back. Most “red states” get back more than they give to DC. Which do you think is easier to run a state budget???
    If you really want to be honest and fair and a “constitutionalist” – then if the federal money is supposed to be mainly for military and then maybe infrastructure – then those “rich blue states” who put most of the money into DC should get lions share of both military projects and national infrastructure. Sharing with those “red states” is like socialism then…. No?

    • Replies: @map
  265. gsjackson says:
    @Cassandra

    The first sentence of your third paragraph is a precise refutation of the second paragraph. What do you think the Laffer curve is? It’s a collection of points, one of which is the “sweet spot that works to keep incentive high, revenues sufficient, and the debt on a better trajectory.” But it is not self-evident where that spot is.

    Laffer’s been trying to point this out for well over four decades now, but people keep misconstruing him as saying that lowering taxes will always increase revenue. Well, maybe not misconstruing. “Voodoo economics” was a hammer passed along from the H.W. Bush campaign to the media for pounding away at everything and everyone associated with Reaganomics.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  266. KenH says:
    @renfro

    Sorry but anyone who voted for a crude blowhard con man who went bankrupt not once but 6 times and thought he could run a country isn’t qualified to judge any candidate.

    Oh, but guys like Renfro are qualified. I don’t care if he’s the crudest blowhard in the solar system and went bankrupt 10 times while being divorced 5 times. He was promising to deport all illegals, build a wall and dramatically lower legal immigration and patriotic Americans are becoming desperate for someone who will do those things.

    I wrote in a name.

    Who did you write in? You’re a coward if you don’t tell.

    Trump against Warren or most any of the others will show up as what he is… a loud and incoherent narcissist playing to the dregs of society.

    And Pocahontas Warren isn’t a narcissist and psychopath to boot? She’ll be shown up as a liar and ugly human being who despises half of the electorate and someone who beyond the customary zingers can’t even articulate her own policies.

    You and Warren sound made for each other.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @renfro
  267. Turk 152 says:
    @showmethereal

    What is the purpose of business? Make a profit. Indeed Mike Bloomberg is fantastic at making a profit, mostly for himself judging by the concentration of wealth.

    Is the purpose of government to make a profit – No, not in any sense of the word. It is nice that he made a profit, his management experiences are probably useful in some capacity, but there is alot more to it.

    My guess is having spent a lifetime personally enriching himself, that he is too hard wired and has no compass for the people, as was displayed to the world in the Nevada debate. For all his flaws, Trump is so much more in touch with the people than Bloomberg will ever be, which is why he would easily crush Bloomberg in an election (should the DNC criminals be succesful in stealing the nomination from Bernie again).

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  268. renfro says:

    I wrote in Charles Hagel ….I’ve written him in for the last two elections.

    You and Warren sound made for each other.

    I ‘m going to take that as a compliment.

    And just to show once again that there is no cure for your kind of stupid:

    Mulvaney says US ‘desperate’ for legal immigrants to boost economy: report

    Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told a private audience Wednesday that the U.S. needs more immigrants to keep the economy growing, according to an audio recording of his remarks obtained by The Washington Post.
    “We are desperate — desperate — for more people,” Mulvaney said at the gathering in England. “We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/483934-mulvaney-says-us-desperate-for-legal-immigrants-to-boost-economy

    • Replies: @map
  269. map says:
    @John Johnson

    “They have a surplus right now but importantly I could list a dozen countries that treat capital gains equally and *SHOCKER* their economy works just fine. People like Bloomberg continue to sell stock. It’s just a number to him anyways.”

    The rest of the world is in the middle of recession, with high unemployment and 0 growth…like Germany…and you treat that as evidence that this actually works?

    Every state will run some surplus at random. California will be in another budget deficit as soon as they lose another million people.


    Predictable response. I ask why Blooomberg should have a capital rate of 0% and you suggest 100% to somehow prove any rate is a bad idea. That is completely irrational.

    Because lefties like you always insist on raising rates. Your economists think income and capital gains taxes should be upward of 80%. See “Paul Krugman.”

    You’re not going after Bloomberg. The Lefties controlled the House of Representatives from 1933 to 1995 and they controlled most state houses for nearly the same period. None of you prevented Bloomberg or any other billionaire from actually becoming a billionaire. Now, your entire party is financed and controlled by guys like…Mike Bloomberg. You’ve done nothing but enable and elect a Soviet commissar with many nice dachas to be your leader…and now you;re pretending to finally…finally…mend the error of your ways.

  270. map says:
    @Cassandra

    Completely wrong.

    The Laffer Curve is defined as a tool for optimizing government revenue. What it basically states is that there are always two tax rates at which the government gets the same revenue.With certainty, the government will get zero revenue at a tax of 100% and a tax of 0%, but it also gets the same revenue at every two other points.

    To optimize government revenue, you avoid tax rates above the prohibitive range, which will vary from country to country and place to place. Go beyond the prohibitive range, and revenues loop back, as people shift from work to leisure since the marginal return to work is dropping.

    Capital gains taxes, however, should always be zero, because taxes are a key input to any finance equation that greenlights or redlines a project.

  271. map says:
    @showmethereal

    “Just for the record… Most “low tax red states” are only viable because of the money transfer in Washington DC which takes more from the rich blue states and gives to the red. Check the balance. NY – NJ – CT – MA – MD – CA all give more to DC than they get back. Most “red states” get back more than they give to DC. Which do you think is easier to run a state budget???”

    This is a fiction. There are no “money transfers.”

    1) A blue-state parasite retires from his government job with a blue-state pension. He then moves to Florida, taking his pension dollars with him. This is not a money transfer. People earn their pensions.

    2) Another blue-voter lives in a red-state. But, because they are a member of a certain poor minority group, they qualify for all kinds federal subsidies, by virtue of simply being part of a poor minority group in a red state.

    For you to regard these as money transfers, you would have to admit two things:

    1) Admit that “pensions” are never earned and are simply Ponzi schemes. Since Ponzis are illegal, then pensions should be illegal and the blue-stater who has a pension should lose it.

    2) That poor black people, who disproportionately live in many southern red states, should not be getting an fund transfers from the rich blue states.

    Go ahead, spanky…run with those.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Showmethereal
  272. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    If Sanders is found shot twice in the back of the head, we’ll know it was suicide. Any more and it’s obvious that it was a homicide.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  273. Curle says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Never heard the Princess Anne thing before. Always heard she was quite taken by the lads.

  274. Curle says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    “Conservatives in 5 states have had enough, ”

    What are you referring to? Outmigration? Secession?

  275. @Turk 152

    Well, my kids are almost half Asian and several of them already seem to like classical music. Hmmm, maybe you were right 😉

    Seriously, as you know, the audiences and donors for symphonies in the USA tend to be overwhelmingly white, Jewish, and Asian. As the population becomes less white in proportional terms — maybe even in absolute terms—symphonies will find (are finding) it harder to raise the funds needed, especially in areas that also lack large numbers of East Asians.

    • Agree: Turk 152
  276. Curle says:
    @S

    “ The template for the present ‘immigration policy’ can be found in 1619 Jamestown, where driven by a greedy desire to not pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor to their own Anglo-Saxon people, irresponsible and unscrupulous A-S elites imported African chattel slaves instead by diktat.”

    According to Yale historian Edmund Morgan in his landmark book American Slavery, American Freedom, there was ‘a smattering’ of Africans, slave or free, in the colonies before 1713. Non-owner agricultural labor in the colonies in the 17th century was almost entirely a white indentured servant exercise. These whites were often worked to death which, along with declining numbers of convict labor and a need for workers in Britain, led to a reduction in an available white work force which led the transition to slavery in the 18th century.

    The average mortality rate in the first three years of indentured service was 30%. Much higher than for the later arriving slaves who were viewed as an investment property and thus adequately nourished. The transition to slavery was promoted at the time as an humanitarian exercise.

    It wasn’t until the middle of the 18th century that slaves exceeded indentured servants as a percent of total agricultural workers in the colonies. Even by the end of that century the century’s distribution was 40% white 60% black for non-owner agricultural labor. The total workforce composed of either was modest compared to total numbers of non owner Ag labor by mid 19th century because the plantation economy, focused on water hungry staples such as tobacco and sugar, was centered around a few southeastern rivers. As late as the 1790s western GA, Tennessee, Alabama, Miss. and points west were undeveloped wilderness. What we think of as the great cotton slaveocracy lasted no longer than the Soviet Union.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  277. renfro says:
    @KenH

    What no response to this?

    I wrote in Charles Hagel ….I’ve written him in for the last two elections.

    ‘You and Warren sound made for each other.”

    I ‘m going to take that as a compliment. At least she has a brain.

    I don’t care if he’s the crudest blowhard in the solar system and went bankrupt 10 times while being divorced 5 times. He was promising to deport all illegals, build a wall and dramatically lower legal immigration and patriotic Americans are becoming desperate for someone who will do those things.

    You thought some gross Orange clown con man, serial bankrupt-er was going to do what he promised?…..you poor fool..lol…your kind just don’t understand do you , that a man who lies and cheats other people will also lie to and cheat you .
    I would try to give you a lesson on looking into the ‘character’ of a man before believing him but doubt you would understand the importance of ‘character’.


    Mulvaney says US ‘desperate’ for legal immigrants to boost economy: report

    Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told a private audience Wednesday that the U.S. needs more immigrants to keep the economy growing, according to an audio recording of his remarks obtained by The Washington Post.
    “We are desperate — desperate — for more people,” Mulvaney said at the gathering in England. “We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/483934-mulvaney-says-us-desperate-for-legal-immigrants-to-boost-economy

    • Replies: @KenH
  278. @map

    If we seriously want to minimize taxes on individuals in this country, we should own our natural resources in common. No less an American luminary than John Locke said that people could work the land and take from it so long as they left “as much and as good for others.” That was sound advice then and is sound now.

    As the country grows much more populous and crowded — and there are more people relative to the natural resources we need to live a modern civilized life — it becomes even more unjust and galling to let a very few people arrogate the proceeds of natural non-man-madextesources to themselves and charge us through the nose.

    Use the revenue from the sale of oil, gas, and minerals to fund the few essential federal functions like defense, or to provide a universal basic income, or both.

    It’s a massive revenue pool from something that God placed here under the ground and it shouldn’t be used to enrich a tiny percentage of people at everyone else’s expense. We could probably eliminate the federal income tax for most of us with such huge sustainable revenue.

    • Replies: @map
  279. Curle says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “ Of course, that belief would be alien to the actual Founders of the country who restricted citizenship to Whites only in 1790.”

    Correct. The reference to men being equal was not a metaphysical statement regarding the performance attributes of individuals, groups or ethnicities but was a response to monarchical claims of legitimacy residing in a divine right to rule. That our betters have spent the last 60 years dumbing the population and seeking to obscure the intellectual sources of our own founding illustrates the enormity of the crime that has been committed against us as a people.

    “In this debate, Filmer presented a defense of the doctrine of the “divine right of kings” in 1680. It triggered a reply first from Algernon Sidney, who wrote between 1681 and his execution for treason in 1683, and then John Locke in the first part of The Two Treatises of Government (1689). Locke argued that the legitimacy of government depended not upon the divine right of the monarch to rule but upon the natural rights of man and the consent of the governed. A third response was Tyrrell’s Patriarcha non Monarcha published in 1681.”

    https://oll.libertyfund.org/groups/80

  280. KenH says:
    @renfro

    What no response to this?

    I wrote in Charles Hagel ….I’ve written him in for the last two elections.

    Congratulations! Does this mean you’re smarter and more noble than everyone? Where does he stand on immigration?

    I ‘m going to take that as a compliment. At least she has a brain.

    She’s a serial liar and hatemonger and if you think she has a brain when she consistently stumbles explaining her own policy then you must not have one.

    You thought some gross Orange clown con man, serial bankrupt-er was going to do what he promised?…..you poor fool..lol…your kind just don’t understand do you

    Trump has kept most of his promises on illegal immigration enforcement and his betrayal on legal immigration only came about two years into his presidency. Prior to that he was trying to cut legal immigration by almost half but has obviously given up and sold out to the donor class.

    Trump was at least is a very accomplished person in the private sector and entertainment industry. Warren and some of the others you seem to think are better human beings are cloistered academics, shyster lawyers, professional politicians or a combination of all three in addition to being liars.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @renfro
  281. @Hibernian

    No, it didn’t begin then. Black republicans weren’t even a recognizable voting bloc in the south after the occupation ended, and the radical republicans had abandoned their useful idiot former slaves who had been voting multiple times for each voter, over and over in every precinct in every election until they were left to face their fellow southerners who had been victimized by that practice.

    Black southerners still hold that against the GOP. I have lived in the south for all of my life, just short of 70 years and have been a student of southern history since grade school. What you are describing may be a northern phenomenon.

    The republican party was the first socialist party to gain power in the US. Their silly insistence that they are and always have been a conservative party would be comical if it wasn’t such a successful fraud.

    It’s kind of ironic that the same vote fraud is being conducted by the democrats, using the same demographic that the republicans used in the south during the military occupation. I don’t find it funny at all, but with democrat candidates currently getting 150% of the black vote it is ironic, since the republicans used to get 300% of the black vote for their carpetbagger/scalawag candidates when they practiced the same kind of fraud.

    The democrats are despicable these days, but the main difference between that party and the republican party is that 150 years ago, the democrats were the conservative party, while the republican party never has been, regardless of what Dot Head D’Souza claims.

  282. Hibernian says:

    It’s my understanding that the few Black voters in the South between Reconstruction and the New Deal voted Republican. Granted that Black voting for the GOP was mainly a Northern phenomenon. Black voting, period, was mainly a Northern phenomenon.

    A Black Republican GOP Representative in NC kept his seat until the late 1890s or very early 1900s. Mississippi in practice absolutely or very nearly absolutely banned black voting. Not officially, of course. The usual methods were used, with more ruthlessness than in other states. Also, the poll tax had to be paid at private mercantile outlets, with a receipt given to be used at the polls. These establishments didn’t generally accept Black voter poll taxes. A Black store owner accepted these poll taxes from fellow Blacks and was bombed by a so called “Klan Air Force,” not to be confused with the Confederate Air Force.

    As for Republican conservatism, I think the GOP of the 1920s qualified as conservative. They didn’t before or after that.

    If the Homestead and Land Grant acts qualified the early GOP as socialist, I think the Whigs with their advocacy of tarriff financed canals and roads also qualified, and they were first.

  283. renfro says:
    @KenH

    As I said I am not going to try to explain the importance of character in a leader to you.
    I see trying to raise your standards would be impossible.

  284. Curle says:
    @map

    I concur, and to bolster your point I’d note the example of Alabama refusing Obamacare Medicaid incentives. A decision that baffled Northern liberals who somehow forgot that people can move.

    This point was driven home to me by a black temporary housekeeper (working off the books and living in subsidized housing) of a friend for whom I sometimes provided transportation. This lady, a recent transplant to our west coast city from Wisconsin, was animated in her anger at that state’s former Republican Administration for ‘trying to kill black people’. How? By reducing state welfare. Her relocation was apparently prompted by a search for better benefits.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  285. map says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Look, here is the program you want for the country. It was implemented at the beginning of the United States, it used currently in China, and it can be used here again.

    1) High tariffs. If you want to sell something in the United States, then you will make it in the United States.

    2) End mass immigration and remove the bulk of immigrants that are here. If you want to make something in the United States, then you will use American workers and you will pay prevailing wages. No scab labor.

    3) End offshore outsourcing. Goes with 1) and 2) above.

    4) Infrastructure investment…dams, bridges, roads, ports, airports, etc., etc.

    5) Low taxes and low regulations. You want to spur economic growth so that 1-4 above is possible.

    This is the early American model and it is the current Chinese model…which is the early American model.

  286. map says:
    @renfro

    Trump always does this.

    Floats something inflammatory and then does the opposite when the Left piles in with agreement.

  287. @map

    It is worse than I thought. You seem to have little clue about how federal allocations work. Never mind. 1) a retired pensioner has absolutely nothing to do with the equation 2) You think the majority is welfare? Oh brother. Take a starter course (below)…. Though the numbers changed recently – so remove California from donormand place them in parity.

    https://www.governing.com/week-in-finance/gov-taxpayers-10-states-give-more-feds-than-get-back.html

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  288. map says:
    @Showmethereal

    “It is worse than I thought. You seem to have little clue about how federal allocations work. Never mind. 1) a retired pensioner has absolutely nothing to do with the equation 2) You think the majority is welfare? Oh brother. Take a starter course (below)…. Though the numbers changed recently – so remove California from donormand place them in parity.”

    So let me see if I understand “blue-state” accounting correctly.

    Picture a retiree who lived all his life in California. He retires with some combinations, of savings, social security and Medicare/Medicaid. Social security and Medicare/medicaid are entitlements that, though influenced by income and wealth, are largely formulaic and significantly above 0%.

    My retiree moves out of California and moves into Alabama. Because his retirement benefits are portable, he takes his social security money, his Medicare/Medicaid benefits and his savings…and he spends it in Alabama.

    What does California have to do with any of this? You do not seriously believe that, by virtue of my retiree living and working in California all of his life, that the money he is now spending in Alabama is somehow California money, gifted to my retiree and the State of Alabama by California, do you? You do not seriously think that is somehow “California money” being unjustifiably spent in Alabama?

    Or, do you think that the Federal Government levies taxes on California, and not on the citizens who happen to be resident in California when the Feds levy a per capita tax? Does California expect a tax refund from the Federal Government?

    Yes, this is blue-state accounting, from the people who can’t manage a budget, a forest fire, fixing a dam, or economic growth.

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  289. @Turk 152

    You seem to completely leave out that Bloomberg in addition to building a company from scratch that is FAR more important than any of Trump’s ventures (and Bloomberg didn’t go bankrupt multiple times either) – he ran NYC (Trump’s hometown where he could never win anything) for 12 years. As most would say – it’s the second toughest job after being President. Trump is a salesman… That’s it. He knows how to touch people’s emotions – and that’s why he could win a national election over Bloomberg (but he could never win one locally where policy matters more). Again – the folly of representational politics.

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    , @map
  290. @map

    That has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers in question… You completely wasted that comment. Did you even bother to read the link and it’s explanation?

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  291. @Curle

    This lady, a recent transplant to our west coast city from Wisconsin, was animated in her anger at that state’s former Republican Administration for ‘trying to kill black people’. How? By reducing state welfare. Her relocation was apparently prompted by a search for better benefits.

    I think refusing to expand the ASA is petty but the relocating is completely true.

    Social workers will in fact encourage Blacks on welfare to move to White cities where there are fewer recipients.

    I’m not talking hinting, they will tell them exactly where to go.

    Since there is only so much public housing available this means that social workers are exploiting safety nets in other states.

  292. Turk 152 says:
    @showmethereal

    And he corrupted NYC politics with a 3rd term. Imagine what he would do with the Presidency.

    “I bough … I got them”

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  293. map says:
    @showmethereal

    So the article argues that the highest-taxed states are so taxed because they have the highest incomes and thus also receive the least subsidies because…they have higher incomes (although California is no longer a state that subsidizes others.)

    What is your point?

    Given that these states have high incomes because they are stuffed with value-transference professions, like FIRE economy and social media companies, I still don’t see how it strengthens your argument. Paying high taxes on their ill-gotten gains is hardly something to write home about.

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  294. map says:
    @showmethereal

    Bloomberg is nothing but a financial parasite.

    All his company does is take public information required by the government and created by other institutions and repackages it through his “Bloomberg Terminal” at a cost of $20,000 per year. Bloomberg basically monetizes information you get for free from the EDGAR database, along with other information he pays for, like data feeds from the major exchanges, technical analysis indicators that are basically free elsewhere, and newsfeeds that you can get anywhere.

    This is no different than Google placing some middleware on the government-built ARPANET and then monetizes your search information and personal data. Just a parasite, Bloomberg and Google.

    Want to know why his hedge fund buddies pay $20,000 a year for information they can get free? Because Bloomberg helps them launder the inside information they get from the Federal Reserve. Bloomberg uses his news service to disseminate misleading information on what the Fed will do, creating the liquidity necessary to take positions opposite of what Bloomberg is reporting. So, if I know that the Fed is going to raise rates, Bloomberg will seed his news service with fake news about how the Fed will lower rates. This creates the liquidity necessary for his hedge fund buddies to take short positions.

    Trump is a far more honest businessman in a far more honest business. Putting butts in bedrooms and bathrooms is honest work…like being a plumber.

  295. @Turk 152

    I again repeat “the folly of representational politics”. He was allowed a 3rd term because no one was competent enough to see NYC through the economic changes that needed to take place to ensure that job growth is still happening in spite of the incompetent Bill de Blasio who is in office in NYC now. De Blasio is spending money like there is no tomorrow precisely because Bloomberg left it in such good shape.
    For you to say he “corrupted” NYC politics is nonsense. Politicians become corrupt for money. He has more money than anyone who could have wanted go buy him. People say “oh well Trump is independent because he couldnt be bought”. Well Bloomberg had more money before he became mayor of NYC than Trump has now!!! Hes now worth nearly 20× what Trump is worth.

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  296. @map

    Never mind…. You obviously have no clue how taxes or budgets or allocations work. So the examples i used before make no sense to you. You will continue to receive YOUR “welfare” payments from the citizens of NY-NJ etc. and be none the wiser that your state is able to keep taxes low because you basically get financial aid. Carry on.
    Kind of reminds of the story a few weeks ago of the town in South Carolina whose taxes were so low everyone flocked there…. Then the town started to buckle because there was no money for schools and roads and drainage… You know – the things people need to function in a society. Carry on.

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  297. map says:
    @Showmethereal

    Do you understand how ridiculous you sound?

    The Federal government levies taxes on individuals and households, not on States. The residency of the individual per capita tax has no bearing on the level of taxation or its existence.

    Oh, I get it. It’s the magic dirt of California, NY and NJ that makes them so wealthy so they can gift us with their subsidies.

    Well, I suggest you secede. Leave. Form your own country…you will be as wealthy as France and everyone would be better off. Teach us the lesson without your support.

    Oh…but wait…you won’t secede…because you’re a parasite.

    See…Silicon Valley companies depend on the Federal Government enforcing intellectual property laws, without which the rest of the planet will simply steal everything SV produces. So, upon California seceding, every Silicon Valley firm will simply leave. There goes a massive tax base.

    Oh…and California has to import water, without which the Central Valley and San Francisco dries up. I’m sure California can just print its own currency to buy water from the US government. Oh wait…California will have to pay in gold. Do you guys have enough gold? And who is going to fix the power grid or deal with the next drought, I wonder.

    Oh…and who is going to feed all of your illegals, who I’m certain are producing the next generation of scientists and surgeons…real soon now.

    See, Californians know they are parasites, which is why they simply don’t leave the union.

  298. Turk 152 says:
    @Showmethereal

    What is it about these Unz debaters? Their side is responsible for nothing that is questionable or goes poorly, but when claiming credit for successes, they are responsible for everything. They also seem above the need to support their claims with verifiable evidence or logic.

  299. Bolteric says:
    @A. Hipster

    About as real as it gets. His personal experience and transformation appears mostly genuine and he’s valuable to people who might listen on this site. He’s not for everybody, but neither is this site. I had forgotten already about Trump’s E.O. We cannot afford to forget.

  300. Turk 152 says:

    I’m not sure why everyone is so worried about Bernie. The Big Money that runs the country will squash him like a bug if he threatens their profits. Perhaps he can have some small wins for the people here or there, nothing big will come out if his Presidency, just alot of noise until he eventually gets beaten down and muzzled just like Hillary did to him in 2016. If he cant take on Hillary, how is he going to take on all that power standing between him and his goals?

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