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In a surprise announcement at the Glasgow summit, U.S. climate czar John Kerry and his Chinese counterpart declared that their two countries have pledged to work together to slow global warming.

Yet, the arrival a day earlier in Taiwan of a U.S. Navy plane from Clark Air Base in the Philippines, carrying a U.S. congressional delegation, set off a different reaction from Beijing:

“The Chinese People’s Liberation Army will … take all necessary measures to resolutely smash any interference by external forces and ‘Taiwan independence’ separatist plots.”

The incidents touch on one of the great questions of our time.

Are China and the U.S., the world’s preeminent powers, headed for a clash or a level of engagement that will enable us both to avoid either a hot war or a second Cold War?

In the 10 months since Joe Biden became president, the pessimists seem to have been largely proven right.

Just six weeks into the Biden presidency, the U.S., in its annual human rights report, declared: “Genocide and crimes against humanity occurred during the year against the predominantly Muslim Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minority groups in Xinjiang.”

This U.S. equating of China’s behavior with the war crimes for which Nazis were hanged at Nuremberg set the table for what has followed.

China’s behavior toward the new Biden administration has been almost uniformly hostile and contemptuous of U.S. protests.

Through the first 10 months of the Biden presidency, China has continued its persecution of the Uyghurs and systematically crushed the remnants of the democracy protests in Hong Kong.

This past summer, China tested a hypersonic cruise missile that can reach anywhere in the United States and which U.S. forces do not possess.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said this hypersonic missile test may be the “Sputnik moment” for this generation, recalling that October day in 1957 when we awoke to learn the Soviet Union of Nikita Khrushchev had taken the lead in the space race.

Lately, we have learned that China is erecting hundreds of silos to house missiles that can put at risk U.S. cities from L.A. to D.C.

On one four-day period in October, China sent 149 fighters and bombers through the air defense identification zone of Taiwan.

Also in October, a fleet of five Russian and five Chinese warships sailed through the Tsugaru Strait between the Japanese home islands of Hokkaido and Honshu, out into the Western Pacific and then back through the Japanese archipelago into the Sea of Japan.

Message China is sending with its missile tests, warships and warplanes:

“We, also, have a Monroe Doctrine.”

ORDER IT NOW

“The South China Sea is ours, as are the Spratly and Paracel Islands within, and all the rocks and reefs we have occupied and fortified. The Taiwan Strait is ours, as is the island of Taiwan and its people. Any attempt by the regime in Taipei and its U.S. allies to declare independence will be regarded by China as an act of war. The nearby Senkaku Islands, though claimed and occupied by Japan, are ours also.”

Message to Japan, South Korea and the Philippines from Beijing:

“As the 20th was the American Century in the Pacific, the 21st century in East Asia and the Western Pacific will be the Chinese Century.”

What is China’s goal here?

Almost surely not a war with the United States, which could rapidly escalate into as great a disaster for us both as World War II was for many of the victors as well as the vanquished.

The strategic goal for China is the dissolution of the U.S.’s alliances with South Korea, Japan, the Philippines and Australia; the adoption of a neutral or pro-China stance by the nations of East Asia and the Western Pacific; expulsion of U.S. military from the region back to Guam and Hawaii; and the absorption of the region into China’s orbit, not America’s.

China aspires to become the new hegemonic power of East and South Asia and the Western Pacific, displacing the United States.

Nor is this so wild a dream.

While the Chinese navy is not today a match for the U.S. Navy with its carrier battle groups, China’s navy and army are larger than ours, the largest in the world, and in any conflict would be fighting for and from their own country, not someone else’s.

Today is Veterans Day, commemorating the 11th day of the 11th month, November, of 1918, when the greatest war in modern history ended with an armistice after millions of war casualties and civilian deaths.

It had begun the way Chancellor Otto von Bismarck said it would, because of “some damn fool thing in the Balkans” — the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo.

If there is a great war between China and the United States, it will likely be because of some damn fool thing in the Taiwan Strait.

Avoiding that war should be the first order of business of both the Communist Party of China and the democratic capitalists of America.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. USA appears 1917 and 1941–late for the show on both occassions ?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  2. Through the first 10 months of the Biden presidency, China has continued its persecution of the Uyghurs and systematically crushed the remnants of the democracy protests in Hong Kong.

    Jesus, Pat, give us a break! The ‘democracy’ protests in HK had nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with destabilizing China’s periphery, as any fule kno.

    Ditto our Xinjiang narrative, says US Ambassador Chas. H. Freeman, Director for Chinese Affairs at the U.S. Department of State from 1979-1981:

    “The CIA programs in Tibet, which were very effective in destabilizing it, did not succeed in Xinjiang. There were similar efforts made with the Uyghurs during the Cold War that never really got off the ground. In both cases you had religion waved as a banner in support of a desire for independence or autonomy which is, of course, is anathema to any state. I do believe that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones applies here. I am part American Indian and those people are not here (in the US) in the numbers they once were because of severe genocidal policies on the part of the European majority”. 8/31/18
    https://supchina.com/podcast/legendary-diplomat-chas-w-freeman-jr-on-u-s-china-strategy-and-history-part-3/

  3. “Avoiding that war should be the first order of business of both the Communist Party of China and the democratic capitalists of America.”
    Absolutely.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  4. Therefore USA should uphold the 1 China principle and go home–fix mainstreet and clean the ghettos of the black dengue.

    • Agree: Realist, Godfree Roberts
  5. This purported non-interventionist isn’t sincere in his concerns about the escalation of hostilities between China and the USA.

    Consider how he amplifies Establishment propaganda about being outgunned

    This past summer, China tested a hypersonic cruise missile that can reach anywhere in the United States and which U.S. forces do not possess. [etc]

    by evil bullies

    Through the first 10 months of the Biden presidency, China has continued its persecution of the Uyghurs and systematically crushed the remnants of the democracy protests in Hong Kong.

    On one four-day period in October, China sent 149 fighters and bombers through the air defense identification zone of Taiwan.

    Consider, too, why he replaces official statements of the Chinese government with concocted “Messages” to support his assertion that

    China aspires to become the new hegemonic power of East and South Asia and the Western Pacific, displacing the United States.

    In column after column, this website’s “Mr. Paleoconservative” serves as the Right sash of Uncle Sam’s Overton window. How shameless is a man who never saw or suffered battle other than Beltway intramural politics to invoke Armistice Day (oops, Veterans Day) while mongering another war?

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Realist
  6. USA 245 years old but an amazing 20 years when not at war. In who do you trust—murderer and liar appears in Job 1 and it ain’t God –but Mr Satan driven to earth to walk up and down —alsO tempted Christ 3 times and helped Judas get 30 chunks of silver and freed Barabbas —that is who PB worships?

  7. Decoy says:

    \$29 Trillion of debt on the books, perhaps 3 X that much more accrued but not on the books, cities in decay both human and structural, and we have much of Washington D.C. jabbering about saving Taiwan from their own blood brothers! I think we need to prioritize better. And by the way, does anyone really know what the citizens of Taiwan want, or is that irrelevant? Maybe, just maybe, China and Taiwan can work things out without our meddling. And that goes for Russia and Ukraine also.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  8. Realist says:
    @Greta Handel

    Excellent points. Buchanan is a doddering old fool in the manner of our titular President.

  9. the U.S., in its annual human rights report

    What about the human rights of January 6 prisoners, Ashli Babbitt, Asian-American victims of the knock-out game, and victims of black-on-white crime in America swept under the rug with regime approval. STFU USA regime!

    And for Veteran’s Day, in church I heard a woman say, “Thank you for defending our freedoms.” Well, the threat to our freedom comes from with the USA, not as much as outside of it.

  10. @animalogic

    So why’s Mr. Buchanan fomenting it?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  11. anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    Globalists don’t care about nations. That’s a tool to get the masses to care about something that doesn’t matter. The globalists would use any resource anywhere to achieve their aims. If a virus is needed to control the masses there is no problem designing its function in the US having it manufactured in China. And releasing it to make it look like China is the primary source could start a war. And war is like pure heroin to globalists. They get to finance all sides.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
  12. Can anyone explain why a Congressional delegation is visiting an island we long ago agreed was a part of China; is not a vital interest of the USA; and one in which we have no formal defense treaty? It seems a lot of Americans want to defend Taiwan more than many Taiwanese do. Taiwan’s armed forces are only 60 percent staffed because many Taiwanese dont think China is a threat or believe the US will come to their rescue which may or may not be true. China is bolstering its missile and military capabilities because it fears its modest nuclear arsenal may be eliminated in an American First Strike. China is still vastly outranged by the US Military. The PRC does not have a true Blue Water Navy and its Air Force consists of bought and copied Russian fighters and bombers. Because Taiwan is an island separated from the mainland by a hundred miles of ocean China’s huge army will be of little use; and Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Subs could decimate any Chinese invasion flotilla. Unlike the cold war with the US and the USSR; the US and China have a symbiotic relationship; the two nations need each other; China holds huge US debt and is the main source of many vital US products and China depends on the US Market. That would complicate any war between the two nations.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Notsofast
  13. Rich says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    According to the US census there are 5.7 million American Indians in the United States. At the establishment of Jamestown there were 1 million Indians north of the Rio Grande. Mr Freeman is wrong in writing that American Indians are “not here in the numbers they once were”. Their numbers have increased quite a bit and this number doesn’t include those Indians who intermarried with Europeans and disappeared into the majority population.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  14. Yee says:

    China has 2 red lines that trigger for war to take back Taiwan – 1) Taiwan declare independence; 2) US troops in Taiwan.

    The US wants a war over Taiwan . But Taiwan still doesn’t dare to declare independence despite all the encouragements from the US. That’s why the US keep sending military planes, special force personel etc. to Taiwan, hoping China would take them as “US troops in Taiwan”.

    Since it has no intention to actually joining the fight once war break out, the US can’t send real troops to Taiwan.

    China is playing blind and deaf to such provocations. If we’re going to war, the US have to send troops to Taiwan. Either no war or war with the US.

    • Replies: @Max Maxwell
    , @Corvinus
  15. @Yee

    The US has most likely told Taiwan not to declare independence behind closed doors.

  16. @Rich

    Prior to Columbus’s arrival in the Americas in 1492, the area boasted thriving indigenous populations totaling to more than 60 million people. A little over a century later, that number had dropped close to 6 million. European colonizers killed so many indigenous Americans …

    • LOL: Rich
    • Replies: @USA1943
    , @MarkinLA
  17. d dan says:
    @Max Maxwell

    “Can anyone explain why a Congressional delegation is visiting an island we long ago…”

    Republicans trying to sabotage Biden, who is trying to mend relationship and get help from China to fight inflation…

    “China’s huge army will be of little use; and Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Subs could decimate any Chinese invasion flotilla.”

    Even assume China’s defence is so useless, China can still sail more ships than US has missiles…

  18. USA1943 says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Smallpox killed MOST of them

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  19. China has been inching towards war for the last 20 years. They regard the US as an enemy and have since Deng’s regime. It is naïve in the extreme to expect anything else from an expansionist power that means to control he world.

    Taiwan does not need to declare independence. They are already independent and Red China intends to conquer them as soon as they think they can get away with it. They know that will mean war with the US and others in the region.

    Buchanan is a very naïve man.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  20. El Dato says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Never be the first to ride into an active shootout.

    Plus on both occasions, a “signal moment” had to be engineered so as to be able to claim “we had no choice”.

    (The “Lusitania” was gross and easy, but during WWII Germany resisted taking the bait – like the “Greer incident” – up to Pearl Harbor)

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  21. Yee says:

    Max Maxwell,

    The US has most likely told Taiwan not to declare independence behind closed doors

    The US doesn’t need to send military planes, politicians, special force personnels, getting Japan to voice support for Taiwan etc. to tell “Taiwan not to declare independence behind closed doors”. Those were clearly encouragements. They has more likely said “don’t be afraid, I have your back, go for it” behind closed doors.

    The US has no military base on Taiwan island. So there’s nothing to lose for the US. Taiwan’s true value is in getting China into war. China’s recent display of military power wasn’t for the US to see, but for Taiwan, warning them not to do anything stupid.

    As long as Taiwan dare not declare independence, there’d be no war. It’s my firm believe that the US wants to start a war but has no intention to actually fighting it. They’d just use the war to start Cold War 2.0.

  22. @Quartermaster

    Worry about the USA and clean up the mess in the public housing areas of all major cities —there is enough at home without looking afar…..

  23. @El Dato

    Good point indeed El Dato —-I still remember Rochefort watching the radar in Hawaii–advancing airplanes–could they be coming for Mass that December Sunday 1941 ??

  24. Notsofast says:
    @Max Maxwell

    debt is nothing but paper. china holds hunter biden, bagman for joe. all of this is just kabuki theater to disguise the fact that china has patiently bought up our ruling class from pelosi to mcconnell and everything in between. no one does capitalism like the communists.

  25. Notsofast says:
    @USA1943

    smallpox, which was introduced by the europeans along with other diseases for which native populations had no immunity. europeans had such poor personal hygiene that they were literally crawling with disease, but to paraphrase nietzsche, that which does not kill me makes me stronger (except for syphilis).

  26. “… expulsion … back to Guam and Hawaii …”
    No, Pat. No, Sir.
    If Rbett Butler could counsel you with a Californian dialect, he’d say something like:
    “After a century of humiliation, they’ll expulse the warmongers all the way back to the east side of Appalachia. Unless they get really mad and send them back accross the Atlantic sea.
    These warmongers ain’t got a Chinamen’s chance against the Chinese in this generation.”
    Now, our question is, how do we make money on this disaster? / sarc
    : )

    : )

  27. @Greta Handel

    I just agreed with this particular sentiment.
    As to Mr Buchanan’s general intentions… I doubt even he knows what he wants….

  28. Corvinus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “Jesus, Pat, give us a break! The ‘democracy’ protests in HK had nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with destabilizing China’s periphery, as any fule kno.”

    You are embarrassingly stupid. Prior to Hong Kong’s transfer to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, people in the territory were promised that rights and freedoms would be ensured under Hong Kong and international law. That promise was reneged. In response, citizens revolted in an effort to maintain their historic liberties.

  29. Corvinus says:
    @Yee

    “The US wants a war over Taiwan…Since it has no intention to actually joining the fight once war break out, the US can’t send real troops to Taiwan.”

    No. China is posturing. The U.S. does not desire conflict. It’s two alphas sizing one another up, and both do not want to take the first punch and potentially get pummeled in the process, lest they lost their status. The fact of the matter is that China is not about to risk an international conflict–one by which the U.S. could simply tear up their IOU’s to that country–and potential nuclear war.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  30. @Corvinus

    Funny!

    “As long as water flows and grass grows…”

  31. @Corvinus

    No. China is posturing.

    You are posturing!

    The fact of the matter is that China is not about to risk an international conflict–one by which the U.S. could simply tear up their IOU’s to that country–and potential nuclear war.

    China certainly does NOT want an international conflict but you can never be certain what the whities might do.

    If it is just “tearing up IOU’s”, it should be pretty safe if they did it! So, why don’t you just do it?

  32. Yee says:

    Corvinus,

    The U.S. does not desire conflict.

    You can lie to yourself if you want…

    Fact is China does not need “posturing” over Taiwan. The plan has always been a peaceful re-unification. Not because of worrying “the U.S. could simply tear up their IOU’s to that country–and potential nuclear war”, but because once there’s blood spill, it’d make governance unnessasery difficult after take-over.

    Since in general things are going fine for China as now, China does not want a war anywhere. The US, however, needs a game changer. Trade war, currency war, financial war, bio-war has already been tried and failed…

    • Agree: Deep Thought, d dan
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  33. augusto says:

    Someone must tell mr Buchleton that the number and size of ships neither the plane capable battle groups will have a say in the coming (?) war.
    The chinos are feverishly working to build up a vast navy yes, but aiming at a patrol of the western Pacific and south china sea only.
    All the rest is justified by a good ol times heroic USN useless hulls. The yankees would better scrap the steel of the jurassic monsters and sell it to the Chinese steel mills.
    By the way was nt it what they did with the all the steel clues and dangerous rubble smoking guns of the twin towers in the days after 9/11?

  34. @Corvinus

    Can you provide an example of a right or freedom be ensured under Hong Kong Legco and international law that Hong Kongers
    1. Were promised and
    2. Have lost?

    Please quote relevant laws directly and give links.

  35. It better be cooperation because if so much that I’ve read about Biden from mainly neutral sources is true, China owns him.

  36. Corvinus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    https://www.hrw.org/feature/2021/06/25/dismantling-free-society/hong-kong-one-year-after-national-security-law

    Once Asia’s “protest capital,” Hong Kong authorities now prohibit peaceful protests, albeit in the name of controlling the Covid-19 pandemic. Over 100 people have been arrested for violating the NSL, while over 10,000 have been arrested for their involvement in the 2019 protests, often many months after the events in question. The justifications for those arrests are frequently dubious and many violate rights guaranteed under international human rights law. Hong Kong’s police, once considered “Asia’s Finest” for their adherence to professionalism and respect for rights, are increasingly implicated in abuses with impunity.

    The Chinese government has also taken rapid-fire steps to reshape multiple sectors and institutions in Hong Kong, from the arts to the local parliament—the Legislative Council, or LegCo—to the civil service. Often Beijing describes these moves as “reforms” to “plug loopholes,” euphemisms to attack hard-won freedoms. The “electoral reforms” imposed on Hong Kong, for example, effectively gutted the city’s competitive elections and replaced them with sham races in which only those loyal to Beijing can run for the LegCo.

    The case of Tam Tak-chi, also known as Fast Beat, exemplifies the dizzying speed at which Hong Kong’s freedoms are being eroded. Tam, vice-chairman of the pro-democracy political party People Power, stood at street stalls and shouted protest slogans—peaceful protest activity that has long been a feature of Hong Kong life. For this, the authorities have charged him with 14 crimes including “uttering seditious words” and “holding an unauthorized assembly.” Tam has been held in solitary confinement since September 2020 while awaiting trial.

    Hong Kong was always meant to have a security law, but could never pass one because it was so unpopular. So this is about China stepping in to ensure the city has a legal framework to deal with what it sees as serious challenges to its authority.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

    The details of the law’s 66 articles were kept secret until after it was passed. It criminalises any act of:
    secession – breaking away from the country
    subversion – undermining the power or authority of the central government
    terrorism – using violence or intimidation against people
    collusion with foreign or external forces

    The law came into effect at 23:00 local time on 30 June, an hour before the 23rd anniversary of the city’s handover to China from British rule.

    It gives Beijing powers to shape life in Hong Kong it has never had before. Critics say it effectively curtails protest and freedom of speech – China has said it will return stability.

    The new law’s key provisions include that:

    –Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison
    –Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism
    –Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office
    –Companies can be fined if convicted under the law
    –Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel – neither of which would come under the local authority’s jurisdiction
    –This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China – but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a “tiny number” of cases
    –In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser–
    –Hong Kong’s chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy
    –Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority
    –Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.
    –People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance
    –Management of foreign non-governmental organisations and news agencies will be strengthened
    –The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people “from outside [Hong Kong]… who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong”.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/hong-kong-freedoms-democracy-protests-china-crackdown

    Before the British government handed over Hong Kong in 1997, China agreed to allow the region considerable political autonomy for fifty years under a framework known as “one country, two systems.”

    In recent years, Beijing has cracked down on Hong Kong’s freedoms, stoking mass protests in the city and drawing international criticism.

    Beijing imposed a national security law in 2020 that gave it broad new powers to punish critics and silence dissenters and could fundamentally alter life for Hong Kongers.

    Traditionally, only a small minority of Hong Kongers have favored outright independence. However, in recent years, student protesters demanding a more demoractic system have formed political groups, including more radical, anti-Beijing parties, such as Youngspiration, and Hong Kong Indigenous, and Demosisto. These parties tapped into the phenomenon in which more and more people see themselves as Hong Kongers or as Hong Kongers in China as opposed to identifying as Chinese nationals. Several of these groups disbanded in 2020, however, as Beijing cracked down on political opposition.

  37. Corvinus says:
    @Yee

    “Fact is China does not need “posturing” over Taiwan. The plan has always been a peaceful re-unification. Not because of worrying “the U.S. could simply tear up their IOU’s to that country–and potential nuclear war”, but because once there’s blood spill, it’d make governance unnessasery difficult after take-over.”

    Nope. Taiwan has self-rule. It does not desire Chinese communist autocratic meddling. Period.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams
    • Troll: d dan
  38. @Corvinus

    What you have quoted are no more than propaganda talk. They are not even worth spending time to read through.

    1) Which clause(s) in which document(s) has China broken? Give links.

    2) What has China done, or not done, that could constitute the breaking of the agreement(s)?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  39. @Corvinus

    Taiwan was returned to China after the defeat of the japs– Read the Cairo Declaration.

    The existing separation is due to an unfinished civil war, which will be brought to conclusion when either side is strong enough to do it.

  40. @Corvinus

    Prior to Hong Kong’s transfer to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, people in the territory were promised that rights and freedoms would be ensured under Hong Kong and international law. That promise was reneged. In response, citizens revolted in an effort to maintain their historic liberties.

    AGAIN:

    1) Which clause(s) in which document(s) has China broken? Give links.

    2) What has China done, or not done, that could constitute the breaking of the agreement(s)?

  41. @Godfree Roberts

    Take the case of Victoria Park and its sign ” NO dogs or Chinese” and that is why today people from Hong Kong are not Chinese —–thanks to British Liberation and squashing the Labour Movement in 1967 so the Upper 10% are very rich and the others–one paycheque short of bankruptcy—also worked well in India—-

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  42. @Corvinus

    No they prefer capitalist autocratic meddling. According to the great White Boss.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  43. @Corvinus

    No Western country would allow terrorist thugs, in the pay of that country’s race and political enemies, and showing allegiance to those foreign enemies by waving their flags, to get away with it. The Chinese crushed these compradore traitors quite easily, and if Joshua Wong and his compradore ilk spend the rest of their God awful existences in the pokey, I’m very happy with that.

  44. Corvinus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I fully answered your inquiry with relevant sources, and rather than provide analysis, you ran away from discourse.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  45. Corvinus says:
    @Deep Thought

    The answers to your questions are found in those links. But since you irrationally ind anything that opposes your line of thinking as propaganda, I do not expect you to seriously take those sources into account.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  46. Corvinus says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    No, the Taiwanese enjoy their self-rule without interference from communist autocrats.

  47. In a surprise announcement at the Glasgow summit, U.S. climate czar John Kerry and his Chinese counterpart declared that their two countries have pledged to work together to slow global warming.

    Why not unite over a measurable goal like reducing pollution rather than the globohomowarming hoax? They might as well pledge to stop unicorns from eating crops.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  48. d dan says:
    @Corvinus

    ” Taiwanese enjoy their self-rule without interference from communist autocrats.”

    Yeah, but with active interferences from the evil empire and foreign war pigs like you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  49. @Godfree Roberts

    Jesus, Pat, give us a break! The ‘democracy’ protests in HK had nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with destabilizing China’s periphery, as any fule kno.

    Why you speak lies? It was about fight in between Xi criminal gang and Jiang criminal gang. All criminal gangs of the CCP. Hahaha.

  50. @Sick of Orcs

    An orc sick of itself. Pathetic. Only a virulent imbecile or a wicked fanatic still asserts that anthropogenic climate destabilisation is a ‘hoax’. I see, yet again, why Boenhoffer declared stupidity even more dangerous to humanity than mere wickedness.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  51. @Corvinus

    Says who? Some White racist and Sinophobe?

  52. @Corvinus

    China is treat to the World. You American? You seem like intelligent person. You Americans should side with India against this great evil. But America always backstab India. West hate India, always hated us. Always want to keep us down. But now we must unite and destroy this great evil nation. Tell your Biden to become smart and support India full force. India is the future. If West support us now against this evil Chinese regime, we may even forgive you for what evil you have done to us in the past. Some things to do immediately.
    1) Free military technology transfers to India. Unlike China which stole your technology, India is peaceful with 5000 years of dharma and culture.
    2) Increase investments in India. Use Indian talented labour for development of World.
    3) Make India permanent member of UN. Without this, UN is useless.

    Unlike evil China, India is peaceful country with 5000 years plus culture of dharma. We have always loved everybody but faced brutality under Muslim evils who raped and killed our ancestors and destroyed our civilization. The British then looted us and supported their fellow Abrahamic Muslims against us Hindus. We Hindus fought and got Independence and then Muslims and British divide our great Bhatara and created the illegitimate terrorist country of Pakistan.
    Now Britishshit bombs destroy Muslims evils and Muslim savages destroy britishshit cities and make their cities third world. Karma. No amount of bombing of those Muslim evils can make up for the suffering they gave our poor innocent ancestors. They need to be bombed continues for 800 years to make up for the suffering they gave our ancestors. And Britain becoming bankrupt, all that looted money from India, gone. Whoosh. While Indian economy rises. LOL.
    Anyways, past is past, we need to unite against this great evil regime China. They are uncultured savages who eat dirty things like dog and worm and snakes.Yuck. They backstab. They backstabbed us in 1962, we believed them and then they suddenly attacked and took parts of our Motherland. We Hindus are naive and easily trust others. But when we take revenge, it will be final.
    Join 1.4 billion Indians and save planet from evil Chinese communist Imperialists.
    We want you on our side, but we Indians are not sure if we can trust you. West has bad habit of backstab. The choice is yours. Help India become superpower and save world by destroying evil Communist China.

    —–Plea from Mehool Bhai

  53. @Corvinus

    You have NO answers to 2 simple questions and “run away from discourse.”

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  54. @Mehool Mehta

    You are comical!
    A country that needs help to become a superpower cannot be and does not deserve to be a superpower.
    You Indians have unlimited capacity for self delusion. In fact, it is your only “gift”.
    Jai hind!

  55. d dan says:
    @AnonymousMars

    “You are comical!”

    It is more sad than comical – if you remember that millions, or perhaps billions of Indians are still struggling for food, clean water, fresh air, usable toilet, … and still fighting against Covid-19 and other diseases.

  56. @Godfree Roberts

    The campaign of hatred against China here in Australia goes far beyond anything I ever saw or heard against the Soviet. It is clearly driven by race hatred, in a country where race hatred is religion among a sizeable portion of the population. We are the sort of country that lies about ‘slavery’, ‘forced labour’ and ‘genocide’ in China while recent investigations have shown decades of vile abuse of children by State institutions, churches, schools etc, that led to hundreds of suicides and thousands of devastated lives.
    We also saw that abuse of the elderly was rampant in nursing homes, and among relatives eager to get their hands on the nest-egg of the family home. Moreover we incarcerate our indigenous people, men, women and children, at the highest rate on Earth, and the Federal regime, that relies on the votes of 5% or so of the population that is DEEPLY race-hating, refuses to raise the age of criminal responsibility from TEN, one of the lowest on Earth, to the international norm of fourteen. Needless to say that allows the incarceration of mostly Indigenous children.
    As for the ‘middle-class’, wage theft is rampant in precarious, part-time and agricultural work, but let none dare call that ‘forced labour’, although, if you turn down ANY job on offer, your pitiful ‘welfare’ cheques (not increased for decades) will be stopped for protracted periods.
    And, of course, in the field of ‘persecution of Moslems’, we were enthusiastic collaborators in killing a couple of million Moslems in Afghanistan and Iraq, slobber in delight when kissing Zionazi backsides, vilify and denounce the Palestinians as ‘terrorwists’, turn a blind eye to the Hindutva fascist Modi’s persecution (a REAL one) of the Kashmiris and the wave of murders of Moslems throughout India and generally slander Moslems unless useful, as the jihadist Uighur butchers of the ETIM etc are proving. In short, Austfailia has become a vile, racist, sub-fascist dystopia over the last forty years, driven by obeisance to the US and Israel, and by Satan Murdoch’s cancerous hate-machine.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Escher
  57. @AnonymousMars

    Ordinary Indians are hard-working, clever, determined and generally disposed to doing the right thing. Indian elites, in stark contrast, are dominated by upper caste thugs, many serial rapists of lower class and tribal women, and devotees of the Hindutva brand of fascism, who are servile boot-lickers of the West, perhaps believing that being a Brahmin makes you an honorary, Indo-European, White Man. They detest China because China’s rise put’s India’s decline in sharp contrast.

    • Replies: @Mehool Mehta
  58. @Mehool Mehta

    ‘We are peaceful-let’s destroy Evil Communist China’??!!Then you get good job as punkah-wallah for White Boss. Nice try Gunga Din.

    • Replies: @Mehool Mehta
  59. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    After living in Asia, I’ve been back in Australia for 6 months and your observations fit what I have seen and heard amongst my wealthy, well-educated Australian friends.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  60. Yee says:

    Mehool Mehta ,

    They are uncultured savages who eat dirty things

    At least we don’t drink cow piss…

  61. MarkinLA says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The only place large scale settlements existed in North America was central Mexico. The Mayan civilization had long since collapsed. North of the Rio Grande there was one large scale settlement that died out in the 1300s and even that was estimated to only be 10-15,000 people.

    The desert doesn’t support a large population and neither does the Mississippi/Missouri watershed due to the flooding and insect problem for a pre-industrial civilization. The same is true for the hurricane prone southeast.

    When Lewis and Clark traveled they met many tribes that had limited contact with whites and there are no stories from them about mass die-offs when the few Spanish and French traders they came in contact with occurred. Disease can’t travel very fast in an era of horses and foot traffic. The disease will kill you before you can infect other people.

    The idea that there was 60 million people in North America is ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  62. @MarkinLA

    Ignorant imbecility in the service of genocide denial. Descendants of the Nazis will be speaking in the same manner in a couple of hundred years. If there is anyone about.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  63. @Godfree Roberts

    Did you see last week’s Q & A? The sheer viciousness of the lying, the hatred, the hypocrisy would put any Nazi from 1930s Germany speaking of the various untermenschen to shame. The Indian creature was particularly loathsome and hate-crazed. War is certain-bye-bye Boganopolis.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  64. @AnonymousMars

    You said “A country that needs help to become a superpower cannot be and does not deserve to be a superpower.”
    Does not make any sense. India is oldest civilization on Earth with very talented people who are CEOs in big companies. It can and will become superpower.
    You said “You Indians have unlimited capacity for self delusion”
    Why you say that?

  65. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Why you White Australians so racist against us Indians? Calling bad names. After looting Bharata of money, don’t you have any shame? Whitethief. Looter. Give us our looted wealth back. And why insult river Gunga. Ganga river is where World’s oldest civilization was. Oldest Purana, Bhagawad Geeta were written around Ganga holy river.
    We have been warning about China for decades, they cannot be trusted and that government is pure evil. But you White people have no Dharma and just greedy for money and do business with China and make China strong. One day you will understand why we were warning about that evil regime. Then you will need punkah to cool yourselves down and you will run to Bharata to make alliance against evil.

    ——Mehool

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  66. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You Australians have been fooled by British and Muslims. Caste system was started by British only to divide Hindus. Earlier in Sanathan Dharma, caste depended on work not birth. Muslim evils and British thieves created caste system to divide Hindus.
    Brahmins were the ones responsible for our Independence Struggle against the British, without Brahmin, British would not be kicked out and looting stopped. Brahmins kept Indic society alive when Muslim evils were killing, destroying and looting Bharata and raping our women and mass enslaving poor Hindus. For this Muslims have been cursed by Holy land India and there is no peace in their lands. British are going bankrupt because of their looting of Holyland Bharata.

    Earlier Hindutva was dominated by upper castes but now it is full of lower caste Dalit leaders. Hindutva is Indian decolonization. Via Hindutva we complete our decolonization and remove all trace of British thief, Muslim evil and Marxist evil influences on our holy Indic Culture. One famous such non upper caste leader is Sai Deepak. He is not of upper caste but great Hindutva thinker. In the video he argues that Hindutva is Decolonization of Bharat, where we remove all traces of British and Muslim colonization and occupation. Please watch.


    Shashi Tharoor vs J Sai Deepak | Nationalism | Colonialism | Hindutva | Savarkar | Gandhi | Ambedkar

    See above Shashi Tharoor on left is upper caste Nayar and opposes Hindutva while Sai Deepak on the right is lower caste but supports Hindutva. Gone are the days when Hindutva was upper caste only.


    India, that is Bharat: Coloniality, Civilisation, Constitution | J Sai Deepak | #SangamTalks

    Shri Sai Deepak explains why India needs more Hindutva to finally complete the de-colonisation process and to end our humiliation for last 1000 years.
    ——Mehool Bhai

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  67. MarkinLA says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Your comment says more about you than any insult I could think of.

  68. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Not one–ONE!–environmental doomsday prediction of the past 80 years came true.

    I believe we want the same things: a cleaner environment and better tech to bring it about.

    Capitalist innovation is improving things, not a gaggle of power-hungry bureacrats who want to rule the globe from a one-eyed, circumcised pyramid.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  69. @Sick of Orcs

    What a moron. The main planetary life-supporting bio-systems, about a dozen or so, are all in collapse, or nearing it. We are in the midst of the sixth mass extinction event in planetary history. 90% of large pelagic fish are gone. ‘Dead zones’ of hypoxic waters, once features only of lakes and offshore estuaries etc, are spreading to the open seas. Pollution of every type, chemical, heavy metals, plastics, particulates, microwave radiation, nuclear radiation, mining wastes, nitrogenous fertilisers etc is the greatest ever, and still increasing.
    Yet the worst pollution of all, human pig-thugs, driven by hatred, stupidity, malice and ideological malevolence still screech that nothing is happening. Hence the late, great, H. ‘sapiens’ meets its end, driven to extinction by malicious imbeciles. Enjoy your victory.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  70. @Mehool Mehta

    I respect Indian Civilization highly. Hindutva is Indian fascism, and presages a further period of intense internecine strife in India, further setting back any chance of building a civilised society. In any case, anthropogenic climate destabilisation will devastate India this century, rendering much of the country uninhabitable for humans. And it will be tens of millennia before human life could return. Tough luck, really.

    • Replies: @Mehool Mehta
  71. @Mehool Mehta

    I highly respect Indian Civilization. Indian people, like all other ‘nationalities’, contain good and bad people, at least in my estimation. I find Hindutva fascists, RSS stormtroopers and similar very dangerous, although their pride in Hindu culture, if held with equal respect for other civilizations, is commendable. But the Hindutva types seem irredeemably aggressive and arrogant, and the Gujarat pogrom mastermind, Modi, is very bad news indeed.

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  72. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Mehool (shouldn’t it be Mehul?),

    Mulga Fumblebrain is a moron, thus don’t pay any mind to his Australian (assuming he isn’t a useless undocumented chinaman) ravings. But to identify him, his last statement about the alleged “pogrom” in Gujarat should give you a clue: either he is a paki but more likely a self-hating Jew who bats for the other team, if you get my meaning.

  73. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You are a barbarian Whitey Australian who will never understand Indian culture. Just like those snake eating Chinese so called “civilized”. Hindutva is India, we Indians want Hindutva, we do not need the permission of foreign barbarians like you to decolonise our culture and only Hindutva can do it. I know you guys cannot see us Indians decolonise our culture and rise. India is cleaning our Indic civilization of the four foreign evils namely Western/ British influences, Islamic influences, Marxist influences and Christian influences. India needs purification and only Hindutva can do it.
    You did not even watch that video, Hindutva is decolonization, in India decolonization is Hindutva. You cannot respect ancient Indian civilization without respecting Hinditva or you are an idiot who does not understand India. I do not expect a barbarian like you to understand Bharat.
    ———— Mehool Bhai.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  74. Corvinus says:
    @d dan

    “Yeah, but with active interferences from the evil empire and foreign war pigs like you.”

    No, more like the people of Taiwan making their own decisions about what type of government they prefer and how they go about creating that type of government. Why do you insist on people willingly give up their own liberties?

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Deep Thought
  75. d dan says:
    @Corvinus

    “Taiwan making their own decisions about what type of government they prefer ”

    No, they CAN’T make their own decisions while under the thumb of relentless US political pressure, endless military threats, countless NGO’s propaganda, shameless Western media lies, … for 24/7, for multiple decades.

    “Why do you insist on people willingly give up their own liberties?”

    Why do you insist on American imposing and projecting its powers to suppress others’ liberties?

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  76. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    What a moron.

    You can’t make arguments this way and expect a good outcome.

    If you want to argue the big picture, we’re long past due for another ice age and already living on borrowed time.

    There are billions of people who care about the environment. It’s fun now and then to down half a bottle of black pills but you’re making yourself miserable over things which no one man can control, or should.

    Earth is not “dying.” Even if it was, you’re not going to outlive it.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  77. @Corvinus

    I think the real question Corvinus needs to answer is, “Why do the laws written or influenced by foreign powers at the height of their dominance in a world system matter or should be held in perpetuity by other countries?”

    Essentially, Corvinus likes to take the position that he cares about the “forgotten” and “oppressed”, a fine rhetorical tool when battling American restorationism against Inperial Cosmopolitanism. Nonetheless, this same position of his is thrown out when inconvenient.

    A rebellious state that was only kept in existence as a foreign vassal and aircraft carrier (Taiwan/ROC) and a former colonial region only kept in existence as an “independent entity” because of the need for a strengthening, but still relatively weak, China to still abide by the imperialist violence and butchery of earlier eras.

    Suddenly, Corvinus is all about the need to respect the vile works of former Imperial Nations and the rules they crafted that allow them to maintain their power.

    Truly though, he should move past these petty and contrived legalisms, instead understanding that “this is who we are.”

    The “we” is Hong Kong and Taiwan, and the “are” is Chinese.

  78. @Corvinus

    Why do you insist on people willingly give up their own liberties?

    Why should China give up its own national territory just to feed the pumped up ego of a declining hegemon?

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  79. @Sick of Orcs

    You’re correct. Calling you a moron is an insult to morons. The Earth is not dying, just a very great portion of Life on Earth is being destroyed by psychopaths like you. Life on Earth will almost certainly recover, once the poisonous pest species, your type, are gone, unmourned.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    , @Escher
  80. @Mehool Mehta

    Punka wallah-who the fuck are you to speak on behalf of ALL Indians? Hindutva is fascism for Hindus, as Zionazis is fascism for Jews, Nazism fascism for Germans, Exceptionalism fascism for Yanks. It’s quite unIndian in the way it mimics the worst of Western chauvinism and intolerance. India was always famous for its tolerance, until the RSS and other Hindutva crazies like you emerged.

  81. Escher says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Who is this “we” you speak of, Chinese-“Australian”?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  82. @Escher

    The Great Austrayan Mediocrity. I say ‘we’ because I live in this moronic inferno.

  83. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Every year 200 to 2000 species go extinct, whether you’re outraged or not.

    Before earth dies, maybe you should get in some good reading. (If you’ve read it before, you need to read it again.)

    https://tinyurl.com/wfhsaee6

  84. Escher says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The remaining species will be eaten by your fellow batophiles, eh?

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