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Is America, in lockdown, with 26 million unemployed and entering a new depression, up for a confrontation and Cold War with China?

For that appears to be where the GOP wishes to lead us.

According to Politico, a 57-page memo from Mitch McConnell’s senatorial committee instructs GOP candidates to blame the coronavirus pandemic on China, commit to stand up to China, end U.S. dependence on Chinese manufacturing and tell voters “my opponent is soft on China.”

“China is not an ally, and they’re not just a rival — they are an adversary and the Chinese Communist Party is our enemy,” reads one of the talking points.

Sunday, Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas echoed the memo, charging that China’s leaders wanted the coronavirus to spread because they “did not want to see their relative power and standing in the world decline.”

Cotton went on: “It’s a scandal to me that we have trained so many of the Chinese communists. If Chinese students want to come here and learn Shakespeare and the Federalist Papers — that’s what they need to learn from America; they don’t need to learn quantum computing and artificial intelligence from America.”

The Wall Street Journal ran back-to-back editorials last week urging a more confrontational stance toward Beijing and endorsing GOP plans for new defense spending on U.S. air and naval forces in the Western Pacific.

Cotton and the Journal are not wrong in their characterization of China’s behavior. It is belligerent toward its neighbors and hostile toward the United States.

China has indeed sent student-spies to study at U.S. universities.

Under cover of the coronavirus crisis, Beijing is moving to strip the 7 million people of Hong Kong of the rights they were guaranteed when the British departed. The Uighurs of Xinjiang are being persecuted and coercively cleansed of their cultural and religious beliefs.

The Peoples Liberation Army seeks to intimidate Taiwan by sending military aircraft near the island. China’s warships have harassed Vietnamese, Malaysian, Philippine and Indonesian commercial vessels to assert its claim to the entire South China Sea.

Chinese propagandists have accused the U.S. of creating the coronavirus crisis that broke out in Wuhan last winter.

JFK may have been inexact when he observed: “When written in Chinese, the word ‘crisis’ is composed of two characters. One represents danger and the other represents opportunity.”

But that is an accurate description of how China has conducted itself since it unleashed the Wuhan virus upon the world.

But why did Americans, after a 40-year struggle with another “Evil Empire,” ever believe differently about the Communist Party of China?

Under the code of that party, the morality of an act is determined by whether it advances or retards the goals of the regime: expansion, conquest and domination.

As President Ronald Reagan undiplomatically observed in an early press conference, Communists reserve to themselves “the right to lie, cheat and steal,” which is pretty much how the Chinese Communists have been behaving toward us since we reengaged with them in 1972.

What course does the Journal recommend that we pursue?

“Freedom of navigation exercises” by U.S. naval and air forces are “not enough to secure the Western Pacific from Chinese domination.”

Instead, the Journal says the U.S. “may need to start recognizing claims of countries like Vietnam to make China pay a price for further expansion. The U.S. should also try to maintain its defense pact with the Philippines’ mercurial President Rodrigo Duterte.”

The Journal seems to be suggesting that we formally recognize and back Vietnam’s claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea. None of these islands belongs to us?

Why should the U.S. Navy risk a clash at sea by making us a party to these latest quarrels halfway around the world?

Vietnam is a country of 95 million people. Like China, it is also Communist. The Philippines have more than 7,000 islands and 100 million people. Indonesia has 17,000 to 18,000 islands and is the fourth-most populous nation on earth with 267 million citizens.

Cannot the nations that share the South China Sea with China acquire coastal navies to defend their own waters? Why is the Journal volunteering the U.S. as Coast Guard of the South China Sea?

The Journal argues that with Chinese nationalism rising under Xi Jinping, “It’s more important than ever for the U.S. to signal that it considers the independence of Pacific states a vital interest and isn’t retreating.”

The independence and borders of these states is undeniably vital to them. But how is that vital to us, 8,000 miles away, on the other side of the Pacific? This is power politics, pure and simple.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    This Chinadidit column is even more disgusting than expected.

    Mr. Buchanan pretends to question whether “we” can afford to pull it from the scabbard, but he’s covering Beltway ass by rattling Uncle Sam’s saber — for the Right reasons, of course. Exceptionalia can do no wrong!

    • Agree: Kali
  2. Xceptionalism is pride.
    From the facts no place to hide. 🙈

  3. “As President Ronald Reagan undiplomatically observed in an early press conference, Communists reserve to themselves “the right to lie, cheat and steal,” which is pretty much how the Chinese Communists have been behaving toward us since we reengaged with them in 1972.”

    Paranoia anyone?

    The current American Secretary of State, Mr. Mike “we lied, we cheated, we stole” Pompeo might be amused by Mr. Buchanan’s reference to Mr. Reagan’s aspersion against the Communists.

    For how many decades has the American CIA in particular, and the American government in general, reserved “the right to lie, cheat and steal” as well as the right to slander, torture and assassinate foreigners & Americans alike, & destroy democratically elected governments and entire nations around the globe who stood in the way of American tyrrany, or just because the American regime “felt like it” at the time?

    Despite the accurate logic of his final paragraph, Mr. Buchanan’s article is premised on a flawed and morally bankrupt premise of accusing China of the USA’s own evils.

    • Replies: @bubbles
    , @dfordoom
  4. Paul says:

    As President Ronald Reagan undiplomatically observed in an early press conference, Communists reserve to themselves “the right to lie, cheat and steal.”

    American imperialists and capitalists never do that. 😉

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @romar
  5. SafeNow says:

    Why is the Journal volunteering the U.S. as Coast Guard of the South China Sea?“

    This mention of Coast Guard is not merely metaphorical. China has cannily deployed gigantic “CG Cutters,“ 12,000 tons, the size of a destroyer. They are formidable in confrontations, simply because of the insane size of the darn things. The nations of this sea region should deploy their own gigantic “coast guard” cutters, and let their own cold war begin. If the U.S. is determined to get into this cold war, it could always re-purpose an aircraft carrier by painting a pair of orange diagonal stripes across the bow. The U.S., in U.S. style, will then have the largest cutter of them all. Remove the aircraft, and the crew that services them. This will make social distancing easier, because most of the crew will be gone. As I recall, no shot was ever fired across the border during the European cold war. It was a bluff standoff, that let off steam, the best kind of war if you insist upon having a war.

  6. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:

    A desperate hail marry from a collapsing empire that sealed it’s fate a generation ago with mass immigration. It won’t work. Total fail. China’s demographics are better – younger and smarter. America’s European population is aging and has low birthrates. China has far larger population. America imports uneducated illegals by the millions. China is situated next to the world’s economic engine. USA borders a bunch of third world countries whose main export is not intellectual but things like agricultural products and drugs. China is unified. Over on Fox News they are sparking a blue state vs. red State civil war. China is 90% Chinese. America’s majority and economic engine are about to become a oppressed minority like whites in Zimbabwe or South Africa. China embraces meritocracy and capitalism. America will soon embrace Hispanic Marxism thanks to immigrants. China is run by men. America is ruled by feminist. China is cultural superior. USA has no culture. Everything is SJW Marxist now. Men are women and women are men. There are no ladies anymore just tramps. China is getting education in huge numbers. Half of America is hillbillies who think vaccines are autism. China is thin and healthy. Americans look like Rosane Barr. China’s leaders are smart – engineers, doctors. America elected a show host who thinks he can cure coronavirus with Lysol injections into the brain. He is advised by closeted homosexuals posing as macho men. The students Tom Cotton talks about have already been trained and returned to China long ago. Millions o f them. Now they are becoming intellectual masters in their own rights. The manufacturing is gone. Manufacturing is in China forever. It won’t be coming back because there isn’t enough smart people in America to run the machines. The democrats will win every government like in California. SJWs will reign then. Watch for Batman to become a girl and kiss a man. Everything cultured will be ruined. Lol. The genie is out of the bottle. Now watch China rule the world. Brag. One day a man like me will be flying China’s flag over Washington after we have torn down all your statues that is and replaced them with Kanye West and Kim Kardashian. Lol. The public will celebrate to. Watch it happen. BTW I’m a student. Thanks for the admission slip Tom. Learning all I can now. Lol.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @SteveK9
    , @Alfa158
    , @Rurik
  7. @anonymous

    I couldn’t even finish the article. Sure, the U.S. and the West in general need to wean themselves off cheap Chinese products (tariffs work pretty well), send the Chinese students/spies home, and reenact the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. But Chinese foreign policy is rather unaggressive; China has no territorial ambitions against neighbors such as Vietnam, Japan, Korea or Russia. They are assertive over matters they believe to be internal: Taiwan, Hong Kong and those small islands. None of these are of any strategic interest to the United States. It would be better if the U.S. stopped its pretensions of being a Pacific power; it’s brought the U.S. a war with Japan (a nation Calvin Coolidge referred to as “America’s natural friend) and in Korea and Vietnam. Leave Asia to the Asians!

    If I had to pick a “strategic rival,” China seems almost ideal; a large ocean away and internally focused. It’s the greed of western elites for cheap labor that makes China a “threat.” Get that greed under control and China isn’t a threat at all. Vilifying a nation and people (Germany) didn’t work well for Great Britain in the run-up to World War I and I fear that the developing U.S. policy may have similar disastrous consequences.

  8. Same old same old – right fights China’s ‘leftfield commies’, left fights Putin’s ‘right-sided dictatorship’.

    So the Uniparty gets its wish on foreign policy, and swindles both halves of the American population, who certainly now can’t be claimed to be ilungas, as they tolerate this abuse over, and over, and over, and over.. Either they are that foolish or they are complicit. But certainly at least the representatives, by the interpretation of terrorism within the Terrorism Act (2000, UK), are almost to the last one terrorists.

    I didn’t expect this from Buchanan though – I guess one should never underestimate their bloodlust. Time to rehabilitate the image of Bin-Laden, he was spot on when he called out this nation!

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. MEexpert says:

    Mr. Buchanan has really become a full-time shill for the US government. This article represents 100 percent government talking points. Blaming China for everything has become the offical pastime.

    China has indeed sent student-spies to study at U.S. universities.

    What about Israel? Israel not only sends students to spy on the US but also has spies in the government institutions. No one questions that. Not even Mr. Buchanan.

    As President Ronald Reagan undiplomatically observed in an early press conference, Communists reserve to themselves “the right to lie, cheat and steal,” which is pretty much how the Chinese Communists have been behaving toward us since we reengaged with them in 1972.

    I suppose only the US has the right to lie, cheat, and steal, as per Mr. Mike “We cheated, we lied, we stole” Pompeo. China did not have to steal much. The US gladly and knowingly gave everything to them and then cried “we have been robbed.”

    I have always liked Mr. Buchanan, but he his now a shell of his glorius past. It is sad to see a great journalist become a mouthpiece for the goverment. He used to criticize Israel and now you hardly see a sentence against Israel let alone an entire article.

    • Agree: BuelahMan, T. Weed
  10. polistra says:

    China has been our real adversary since 1950. We surrendered in the ’80s, so there’s no point in talking about a war. We are permanently occupied territory. The lockdown, imported from China along with everything else we use, should have proved the point once and for all.

    • Agree: SteveK9
  11. Kali says:

    Is this article supposed to be arguing against (cold or hot) war with China, or employing anti-China rhetoric, for the purposes of encouraging it?

    My money’s on the latter.

    Disgusting, typically disingenuous political babble worthy of veteran of the western political establishment, talking out of both sides of his flabby mouth.

    You should hang your head in shame Mr Buchanan.

    Kali.

    • Replies: @Robert White
  12. Psyduck says:

    The Philippines does not want any of the G.I.s You can have your hot war with China and do not bring the fight to the Philippines. Too many Filipino lives were massacred during hideous American-Philippine War. I do not think many Americans know that Filipinos already severed their alliance with their former colonizer. No more precious blood must pour for useless Sino-AngloAmerican war.

  13. Renoman says:

    America has worked diligently at becoming the World’s asshole, success is at hand. The international bully that everyone hates and no one respects. Her day is done.

  14. “…Expansion, conquest and domination…”are what describe human history. It’s becoming increasingly clear “power politics” is moving mankind towards another global conflagration. We have already failed to avoid total global war two in the last hundred years.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  15. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    Mr. Buchanan pretends to question whether “we” can afford to pull it…

    Buchanan’s days of pulling it are over.

  16. Realist says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    So the Uniparty gets its wish on foreign policy, and swindles both halves of the American population, who certainly now can’t be claimed to be ilungas, as they tolerate this abuse over, and over, and over, and over..

    Excellent point.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  17. Realist says:

    Buchanan is a statist…he worked for and defended Nixon. The forced resignation of Nixon was due to a minor infraction…compared to the horrific legal affronts Nixon wrought against this country.

  18. @Diversity Heretic

    The irony is Buchanan recently wrote about retiring the world’s policeman.

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/will-covid-19-retire-the-worlds-policeman/

    • Replies: @anonymous
  19. Anonymous[898] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I couldn’t even finish the article.

    Maybe you should have read the entire article before commenting on it.

    You say:

    None of these are of any strategic interest to the United States. It would be better if the U.S. stopped its pretensions of being a Pacific power;

    Buchanan says:

    The independence and borders of these states is undeniably vital to them. But how is that vital to us, 8,000 miles away, on the other side of the Pacific?

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Well, let’s see, when did the People’s Liberation Army invade Washington? Why, never. And when did the US Marines invade Beijing? Why, 1900. When did China pass laws forbidding American immigration? Why, never. And when did the United States pass Chinese Exclusion Act? Why, 1882. And how dare those imperialist Chinese assert they have a greater right to navigate in a sea that bears their nation’s name, than does a country on the other side of the globe!

    And how many of the two hundred plus treaties the United States has negotiated with non-white people has the US actually abided by? If you guessed “none”, you’d be correct. But oh those pesky yellow devils, how dare they treat the exceptional empire as if it were a dangerous criminal enterprise.

  21. SteveK9 says:
    @Anon

    I used to agree with most of this, until I saw the Chinese with giant sprayers, drenching buildings and streets with disinfectant !! The ‘app’ that tells the government whether you have been too close to the ‘unclean’ is also an eye-opener. Unfortunately the West decided to COPY China instead of deride the ridiculous totalitarian measures. So, China has won, just not in the way most people think. We are following them happily into a police state.

  22. @Realist

    Do you include Tucker Carlson as part of that gang?

    • Replies: @Realist
  23. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    That’s his part in the Establishment’s wide frequency propaganda: he’s at the Right edge of the spectrum questioning the costs of imperialism, but reinforcing that Uncle Sam wears the white hat, and ideally should rule the world. It’s just not as apparent as the pronoun propaganda — “we, us, our” — he uses to conflate people with the government.

    Another tell: although he’s a Team Red cheerleader in the meaningless national politics, he remains on record here endorsing the Washington narrative that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. (And if anyone doubts that fact, I will retrieve my comment from last year proving it.)

    “Mr. Paleoconservative” is approaching piñata status on this website.

  24. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Please see my reply to Amerimutt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon

    I have no idea if you are really a student or trolling, your English is a little off, but that may be deliberate.

    Either way a lot of what you wrote is right. I think you lose it at the last part about China wanting to fly their flag over Washington. China so far seems too smart and pragmatic to actually get stuck with the responsibility for taking on some sort of “Yellow Man’s Burden”. All over the world China is developing supply chains for natural resources and energy and markets for their goods. (See New Silk Road Initiative, Empire of Dust in Africa, etc.)
    Unlike the Europeans and Americans they are not trying to annex these countries, democratize them, preach the old time religion, build a massive military presence, declare the inhabitants to be citizens of a broader universal Chinese civilization, and invite them to emigrate to The Middle Kingdom and replace the native Chinese people.

    China will be happy to continue to use the US as a resource for;
    Selling Chinese products,
    Food, and minerals to feed Chinese people and industries,
    Nice locations for second homes and recreation,
    Talented, creative people from the top cognitive levels of Americans,
    High quality universities and research centers to supplement the native Chinese institutions. (At least until our degenerate, disconnected from reality, political/cultural policies destroy the universities.)

    What China does not want is to fly the flag and then be stuck with responsibility for the whole of the United States Of Brazil North.

    • Agree: mark green
  26. Realist says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Do you include Tucker Carlson as part of that gang?

    To some degree I do. If you had ask me that two a months ago I would have said absolutely not. But he seems to be taking a different path than before…joining the China bad meme. He was so dismissive of the Russia bad meme, yet he has now joined the China bad meme. The fact that he continues to invite, discredited, Gordon Chang on his show is disgusting. This is what Chang is about…he is a part Chinese self hater.

    Russia bad/China bad are two side of the Deep State coin…both win/win for them. The War Department is the lifeblood of the wealth and power of the Deep State, and that requires a bogeyman.

    • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @showmethereal
  27. A hard landing is needed. Coming down off the post-war, free-spending baby boom era, America needs a couple of generations of stagnation: austerity, no immigration, recall of the legions to home base.

    The elites will flee with their money to Europe, which will be integrated by belt and road into the Russian/Chinese Eurasian economic zone.

    America will still be nuclear armed, and surrounded by the world’s largest moat. Some migrants will hang on like barnacles, but many will leave.

    After a couple of generations, the natural, cyclical course of nature will lead to renewal. This is far better than Cold War 2.0., which will bankrupt the country and lead to civil war.

  28. Can’t say I’m surprised by this from Pat. He’s never much cared for the Yellows.

  29. Rurik says:

    Is America, in lockdown, with 26 million unemployed and entering a new depression, up for a confrontation and Cold War with China?

    Yes, if America’s ((masters)) decide it serves Israel’s wider interests to do so.

    For that appears to be where the GOP wishes to lead us.

    see my above comment

    Sunday, Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas …

    see my above comment

    they don’t need to learn quantum computing and artificial intelligence from America.”

    no, they don’t

    The Wall Street Journal ran back-to-back editorials

    see my first comment

    Cotton and the Journal are not wrong in their characterization of China’s behavior. It is belligerent toward its neighbors and hostile toward the United States.

    It tweaks me to see Pat Buchanan carrying water for Tom Cotton and the WSJ.

    Here’s a memo Pat: Tom Cotton is a traitor to the United States of America, its Constitution and its people. He serves our enemy, as (((it))), [not China] wages war against the United States – with overt acts of treachery, murder, war crimes, espionage, bribery, corruption, blackmail, extortion and subversion of our intuitions at every level of our nation.

    It wasn’t China that perpetrated 9/11, ~ it was Israel.

    It isn’t on China’s behalf that America has squandered untold trillions of dollars, slaughtering and maiming untold millions of innocents the world over.

    It wasn’t China that stole our military secrets, and then sold them to Russia and anyone else willing to buy them. It was Israel and Jonathan Pollard.

    It isn’t the Chinese who’re demanding that America open its borders and commit suicide in order to genocide its heritage ethnic stock. Nope. Rather it is the collective demand of International Jewish supremacists that the West set about building their own funeral pyre.

    I consider the Chinese a rival, who (like most people and nations) would like to be ascendant. But I don’t think they hate the white people of America with a genocidal, all-consuming derangement. Which is more than I can say for Tom Cotton’s masters. Who’d like to see us all humiliated, scourged and then driven off the face of the planet.

    Under cover of the coronavirus crisis, Beijing is moving to strip the 7 million people of Hong Kong of the rights they were guaranteed when the British departed. The Uighurs of Xinjiang are being persecuted and coercively cleansed of their cultural and religious beliefs.

    Is the American tax payer sending billions of dollars to China to facilitate these human rights atrocities? Like we do in Palestine? Why not just stop overtly sponsoring crimes against humanity? Wouldn’t that be a better place to start, than lecturing China on how it deals with radical Islam in its own lands? I don’t support the persecution of the Uighurs, but are we Americans in a position to lecture China on mistreating Muslims? The hypocrisy is spine contorting.

    The Peoples Liberation Army seeks to intimidate Taiwan by sending military aircraft near the island. China’s warships have harassed Vietnamese, Malaysian, Philippine and Indonesian commercial vessels to assert its claim to the entire South China Sea.

    more vile hypocrisy from the nation that has destroyed entire countries and sent millions reeling into the stone age – all on behalf our worst and deadliest enemy, and all because of the ubiquitous moral cowardice from our cultural elite$ who refuse to speak the obvious truth.

    Chinese propagandists have accused the U.S. of creating the coronavirus crisis that broke out in Wuhan last winter.

    But that is an accurate description of how China has conducted itself since it unleashed the Wuhan virus upon the world.

    Under the code of that party, the morality of an act is determined by whether it advances or retards the goals of the regime: expansion, conquest and domination.

    what, if not “expansion, conquest and domination” has America been helping Israel to do for at least since I’ve been alive? America spends untold trillions upon trillions of dollars, and oceans of blood and tears, all to see our ((enemy)) expand, conquer and dominate. And the ones they dominate in absolute terms, are our treasonous politicians like Tom Cotton. (And you Pat, know all of that ; )

    Why should the U.S. Navy risk a clash at sea by making us a party to these latest quarrels halfway around the world?

    why it is that our bosses are demanding we menace China at this time, is anyone’s guess. Perhaps our boss considers China to be a potential global rival in tech development and domination. And they simply can’t abide any competition for global domination.

    But if it had my druthers, I’d rather live in a world dominated by the Chinese, (or just about ANYONE!), than (((those))) whose monomaniacal imperative is that the people of the West die a depraved, inglorious death.

    Cannot the nations that share the South China Sea with China acquire coastal navies to defend their own waters? Why is the Journal volunteering the U.S. as Coast Guard of the South China Sea?

    Don’t know, but if Tom Cotton and the Wall Street Urinal are advocating it, they, ((Cotton’s masters)) must have their reasons.

    And one thing I’m certain of, is that Tom Cotton and the Urinal (nor their bosses), care one whit about the American people, with their agendas. Quite the opposite in fact.

    • Replies: @KenH
  30. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    Sadly, you’re correct about most of that.

    What it’s boiling down to, is an ascendant China (and Russia) vs. the tribe.

    The ZUS, is of course, nothing more than the tribes stupid golem, bashing and smashing all the tribe’s rivals, soon apparently to include China.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  31. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Read your comment.

    My only point was that Buchanan is on the same page as Diversity Heretic and other commenters in now wanting America to remove itself from foreign entanglements. This is true whether or not he was in favor of foreign entanglements in the past or is currently bashing other nations, conflating the American government with the American people and saying American motives are pure.

  32. bubbles says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say: Governments are in general corrupt? I mean are you suggesting that China doesn’t have blood on its hands? Your accusations are only at the United States in the above. Man is wolf to man, and people in power everywhere seek to gain an advantage. The kind of person who seeks such power tend to be of a type. The meek will inherit the earth? Not in our lifetimes, or any person who has ever lived.

  33. Just like Kissinger Buchanan will push the old & worn out canard of ‘Cold War’ for the next leg of posturing which will be some sort of détente. And ‘détente’ is not the game plan going forward for any of the G7 or G20 nations in so far as the Orange Oaf decided early on that he was going to show the world what a great businessman he was by fomenting Smoot-Hawley Act II trade war against China for his ‘Make America Great Again’ gambit for second term incumbency for the Republican ticket.

    As the world has been acutely aware for months it is glaringly obvious to all throughout the world that China & Emperor Xi have no intention whatsoever of supporting a second term Orange Oaf presidency for the 2020 USA election between competing possible regimes.

    Just as the Central Ineptitude Agency always opts for regime change so too is China tactical intelligence maneuvering for regime change in the White House this term.

    Trump can eat China’s & Emperor Xi’s shorts as they are eating Trump’s lunch near term & long term game plan going forward.

    Détente that, Buchanan.

    RW

  34. Beijing is moving to strip the 7 million people of Hong Kong of the rights they were guaranteed when the British departed.

    I suppose the UK, which is the Complainant in this breach of contract, could send the HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales to launch another Opium War to take the territory back.

    The Uighurs of Xinjiang are being persecuted and coercively cleansed of their cultural and religious beliefs.

    Yeah, I think I’d rather weep for the Cherokee, Sioux, Navaho, Seminoles, Arapaho, etc. ad nauseum.

    • Thanks: bluedog
  35. Anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:

    Pat has become a drooling fool. And full on evil to boot.

    Your time is almost over now Patrick, and Hell awaits.

  36. @Kali

    Buchanan has no shame and cannot grasp the concept as a Republican hack as he is paid to be Janus-faced via Internet & MSM as the stooge that he really is.

    Pat Buchanan has been shilling for dollars all of my life. My dad used to watch him pontificate after PBS Newshour back in the day.

    Buchanan only exists to irritate the left.

    RW

    • Thanks: Kali
  37. @bubbles

    “Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say: Governments are in general corrupt? I mean are you suggesting that China doesn’t have blood on its hands? Your accusations are only at the United States in the above.”

    This reminds me of Jesus’ parable about the guy accusing others of having a splinter in their eye, while ignoring the fact that he has a plank in his eye. Or the admonition against trying to hide a rope behind a piece of string.

    Mr. Buchanan’s article, despite questioning the wisdom of the USA inserting itself into the local neighborhood disputes of other nations on the far side of the planet, is founded on idea that China is a wicked and dastardly nation – which in comparison to the Exceptional Nation (aka Masters of the Universe), China most definitely is not.

    As far as governments in general being corrupt, or having blood on their hands, in present-day reality the USA is a doozy – it wins by a country mile, bar none. And that’s all that really matters in the context of this article by Mr. Buchanan.

    • Agree: MEexpert
  38. @Rurik

    Just sticking to China, Rurik, the possibility of entering “Thucydides Trap” grows by the day. When an emerging great power (in this case China) threatens to replace another (the fast fading USA), war is almost always the result.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @SafeNow
  39. Sean says:

    Ret. General Robert Spalding: Moon Landing Couldn’t Happen in Today’s Deindustrialized America; ‘We’ve Lost It All’ to China. “Let’s just look at the state of our telecommunications,” Spalding said. “There was such a large industrial effort for the space race. Back then, we were spending two percent of GDP on research and development. We had the industrial base that was the envy of the world. AT&T, at the time, was a monopoly, and with Bell Labs, was the standard for telecommunications.”

    Spalding continued, “When you look at America today, we have no telecommunication equipment manufacturers left that are American companies. When China entered the WTO in 2001, from that time period to 2017, we lost 78,000 factories. We unemployed 3.4 million manufacturing jobs. In the same time, we spent trillions in the Middle East.” […] Over-leveraging and subsequent international liquidation of assets such as American factories or refineries destroy the economies of communities build around such assets, said Spalding. […] Group investments, particularly third-party managed retirement funds, often fuel Chinese endeavors, Spalding warned. “All these retirement funds — the Morgan Stanley Emerging Market Index just went from five to twenty — [are] wading in Chinese stocks,” Spalding said. “So now, our retirement funds are not only not investing in factories and production here in the United States; they’re basically sending their money to China so they can build Chinese cities that are essentially ghost cities so they can build Chinese excess manufacturing and so they can build the Belt and Road Initiative.”Spalding noted one example of how the American public is unwittingly financing China’s military. “In 2017, the Chinese floated a billion dollar denominated bond in Frankfurt and at the same time announced that they were building an aircraft carrier,” Spalding explained. “And our institutional investors — our retirement funds — bought the bonds. So essentially, it’s almost like, during World War II, if we were buying German war bonds. That’s essentially what was going on. So Americans, through their retirement funds, paid for China’s aircraft carrier. […] Who was teaching the Chinese to make hypersonic missiles? Our NASA scientists.”

    It retrospect China going communist got America into military overstretch, Korea was originally regarded as outside the US security perimeter as was Taiwan. Vietnam follorced the US into building up China although everyone know isolation was the only thing keeping the giant asleep. The challenge from China is their becoming the most powerful economy in the world. Military pressure will not work because China saw what happened to the USSR when it tried to match the US militarily.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  40. @Realist

    If it wasn’t for Tucker I wouldn’t watch TV at all. In fact, with him initially spouting the party line on corona for weeks like a broken record, I gave up on him for awhile, only to come back when he finally started to question it. Discounting his China stance, I remain a huge Tucker fan.

    But Tucker’s China Derangement Syndrome didn’t start with this corona farce. Tucker has been anti-China ever since his primetime show on Fox began. Only back then, there was no reason to mention it very often. Now, sadly, he cannot go through an entire show without condemning everything that China does.

    Tucker KNOWS that China is 100% responsible for the Wuhan Flu wrecking the world’s economy. If only they had WARNED us – do you seriously believe what you are saying Tucker? He’s probably helping to give Trump his talking points, and, with his large, loyal audience, pushing this country to war.

    • Replies: @Realist
  41. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    “Thucydides Trap”

    good point follyofwar, and apropos

    but what I wonder, is if it came to war, between China and the ZUS, what would be the stakes?

    Would the American soldiers one day look at what was wrought by “winning” the war, and wonder if they fought on the wrong side, as most assuredly many millions of Brits and Australians and Americans must wonder today, looking at what’s being done to their countries by the victors of WWII.

    Do we want to fight to impose a gender fluidity on the world? Do we want to fight to impose white genocide on the planet, which is the main motivating principle of the neo-liberalism that defines a dying and cucked Western “civilization’ on the planet today.

    Do we want to fight to ensure Tom Cotton’s political career? Or Lindsey’s or Trump’s, for that matter?

    What if China told the men of the West, that if they fight with China (and Russia and Iran and all the other nations that would line up against the forces of Zion), that an Eastern victory would ensure Europe’s integrity and the perseverance of the West (as the West) for perpetuity?

    Would you fight to maintain a system that favored an occupant of the White House that called all unapologetic white American men “irredeemable”? If someone is irredeemable, then what’s to be done with them?

    Would you fight to maintain a system that effectively hates your guts? A system that demands all white men are persona non grata? A system that tells the poorest among them, to ‘get their privileged white arses to the back of the line’ ?

    What if China could guarantee a white homeland on the American continent. A land of our own, with no Affirmative Action, or gender fluidity, or womyn’s studies or enforced celebration of diversity’ ?

    Would you, and the American white man be willing to kill and die in order to impose Barbara Spectre’s (and Sheldon Aldelson and George Soros’) vision of “saving” Europe on Europe and North America?

    The irony is that if the ZUS ‘won’, there’d be more Chinese (and everyone else) flooding into America and the West with a vengeance, once Russia and all obstacles to (((their))) vision of the world are removed. So if China were to defeat the zio-fiend, I suspect life for the typical white America male would vastly improve. China would want them to be productive and useful, but I doubt China would want to replace all white men with something (ANYTHING) else.

    That isn’t the nature of the Chinese id, as far as I can detect. I don’t recall any Chinese calling all white men who don’t want to be transgender or see their daughters have babies of color, Nazis!!!

    But that is what our ruling elite tell us, and how they feel about us. Would the American white male fight and die for these ruling elites, now that we know their vision for us and our children?

    It would be like a Palestinian fighting for Israel. Or an American Indian fighting for gen. Sheridan.

    A white man fighting for the ZUS, (which I noticed recently banned any displays of the beloved Confederate battle flag), must be the worst kind of cuck there is.

    A lot of mercs (mercenaries) fight for money. As far as I’m concerned, they have more honor than an American soldier who’s told to ‘get to the back of the line for all promotions, whitey’, and ‘throw that racist Confederate rag in the trash, you white racist trash, and get over there and kill and die for Israel!’

    I’d rather fight for China, with some kind of dignity, than fight as a Janissary of Zion, in order to benefit my worst enemy, as he indoctrinates my children back at home to hate mine, (and their) guts- as evil and vile and racist.

    I’d like to see the whole world, including China and Russia and Iran and Canada and Britain and Lebanon and Japan and the Philippines and India and Venezuela and Brazil… and all people of good will and good faith the world over, all fight the $atanic forces of Zion.

    Lindsey and Tom Cotton and Sheldon and Trump and their sons can pick up arms and get to fighting their zio-wars for themselves for once.

    The Affirmative Action beleaguered white men of America, (slated for replacement, and transgender reassignment and a thousand other petty humiliations at the genocidal hands of Zion), will finally and at long last tell the J-supremacists to fuck off. Fight your own fucking wars for once, Moshe. Wong Wu and Achmed and Jose and I are going to have a beer.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  42. SafeNow says:
    @follyofwar

    Regarding the Thucydides Trap of war, the trap- (=war) avoiding mechanism is measured confrontation. This is the middle ground between foolish appeasement (Obama) and a shooting war. See my comment above regarding Coast Guard Cutter standoffs in the S. China Sea as a safety valve. China, cunningly, and wanting to avoid war, launched their gigantic Coast Guard Cutters.

  43. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Despite the accurate logic of his final paragraph, Mr. Buchanan’s article is premised on a flawed and morally bankrupt premise of accusing China of the USA’s own evils.

    This whole anti-China thing is nothing more than a desperate attempt to save Trump from defeat in November. This is a particularly repulsive piece of political cynicism.

    Anyone who supports this has the morals of a whore.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Realist
  44. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    Now, sadly, he cannot go through an entire show without condemning everything that China does.

    I have lost too much respect for Tucker…I cannot be the huge fan I was.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  45. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    No TV, so the only bits of Mr. Carlson that I see or hear come via website postings.

    It sounds like he has registered positive with the Chinadidit test for Exceptionalian lickspittles. See also, in addition to this execrable Buchanan column, the arguably more craven, cheap little smears (“Wu Flu, Kung Flu, China Virus,” etc.) sprinkled around by Derbyshire, Kersey, Malkin, and Mercer.

    I read with this in mind Mr. Sailer’s new piece on the need for free speech. Not surprisingly, his focus is on things like the efficacy of ventilators, not the provenance of the virus(es). But he did shoehorn in a reference to “the Chinese in America who methodically stripped all the N95s from the shelves of American retailers and mailed them home to China.”

    This is how rulers sell wars. Remember The Maine? Tonkin? Kuwaiti incubator babies? The vile vial of Colin Powell? Recognized lies only in retrospect, the new ones always work. Most people in this country are scared stupid, incapable of even reflecting on whether they’re being propagandized.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
  46. KenH says:
    @Rurik

    But I don’t think they hate the white people of America with a genocidal, all-consuming derangement. Which is more than I can say for Tom Cotton’s masters. Who’d like to see us all humiliated, scourged and then driven off the face of the planet.

    My sentiments exactly. The Chinese have their faults and foibles but the diminution and physical destruction of the white race through mass third world immigration and feminism leading to despair, mongrelization and childlessness is probably way down on their list of priorities.

    I don’t like the fact that 300K Chinese nationals are attending U.S. universities (Trump is thrilled by this) but at least it’s not to become social justice warriors and abolish whiteness and Western Civilization as it is with so many college students who are native born U.S. citizens.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @romar
  47. romar says:
    @Paul

    Oh don’t mind Buchanan. He hopes the US may still retain “moral superiority” when it has lost all the res to China. Mere wishful thinking: the first battlefield where the US lost was precisely the moral ground: endless wars, crippling sanctions that killed millions in countless poor countries, poisoning millions with bio-agents, depleted uranium and whatnot – and generally lying and cheating and robbing the world – including, now increasingly, its own people.
    No, Mr Buchanan, moral degeneracy is now the most obvious characteristic of the USA.

    • Agree: Realist
  48. romar says:
    @KenH

    No Chinese students in US universities would mean a loss for the US colleges, not for China. Levels in STEMS would plummet:
    “Chinese students often outperform U.S. students on international tests in mathematics. Chinese students’ mathematics performances are assumed to be related directly to their teachers’ deep mathematics understanding and ability to represent concepts flexibly in their classrooms, which, in turn, are thought to be influenced by Chinese mathematics curriculum and policies.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/3700061?seq=1

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @MarkinLA
    , @KenH
  49. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    It sounds like he has registered positive with the Chinadidit test for Exceptionalian lickspittles. See also, in addition to this execrable Buchanan column, the arguably more craven, cheap little smears (“Wu Flu, Kung Flu, China Virus,” etc.) sprinkled around by Derbyshire, Kersey, Malkin, and Mercer.

    Yes, he is no longer on my happy list.

    I read with this in mind Mr. Sailer’s new piece on the need for free speech.

    When Sailer decided to hold…for hours…my comments for moderation, I decided his trite tripe was of no interest to me.

    This is how rulers sell wars. Remember The Maine? Tonkin? Kuwaiti incubator babies? The vile vial of Colin Powell? Recognized lies only in retrospect, the new ones always work. Most people in this country are scared stupid, incapable of even reflecting on whether they’re being propagandized.

    We both seem to have a negative …but realistic view of the American intellect.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  50. The Wall Street Journal ran back-to-back editorials last week urging a more confrontational stance toward Beijing and endorsing GOP plans for new defense spending on U.S. air and naval forces in the Western Pacific.

    Suppose the Chinese retaliate. They might cook up a Corona virus and spread it around the world, resulting in the total shutdown of almost everything. Except for those essential jobs like policeman or fireman. And then they might do it again. And again.

    Perhaps we shouldn’t provoke a country that can cause such a disruption in the whole world.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  51. Rurik says:
    @HallParvey

    Suppose the Chinese retaliate. They might cook up a Corona virus and spread it around the world,

    Let’s not forget, it was none other than Dr. Fauci who gave millions to the Wuhan laboratory.

    The Chinese have their agendas, and would like to see China rise, but nowhere that I’ve noticed is there an unhinged hatred for the working and middle class white American coming from China.

    Whereas most of our elites, seem psychotic in their hatred for the traditional American worker.

    If the, (for now) race-war lite (slaughter of white farmers) in South Africa, develops into a full-blown race war, and the white people are getting massacred, what are the chances that they’d be allowed refugee status in the ZUSA?

    ZERO, is the answer.

    These people are Westerners, and yet it’s Russia who’s providing them with sanctuary.

    I don’t fear the Chinese, I fear my “own” (((government))).

    If there’s anyone who would unleash a virus upon us, in order to justify an Orwellian Police State, to enslave and kill us off, so we can all be replaced with Third World consumer slaves, then I’d be a thousand times more suspicious of the scum in DC, than in Beijing.

  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @romar

    No Chinese students in US universities would mean a loss for the US colleges, not for China. Levels in STEMS would plummet

    Yep. In the long term it would help to wreck the US economy. But the China-haters are irrational knuckle-draggers so they’re not going to be able to see that.

    • Agree: Realist
  53. MarkinLA says:
    @romar

    Not necessarily. Show how winning those competitions translates into Fields Medals and you might have a point. The same with other Chinese students. If all they are is run of the mill graduates then you might as well have mediocre US citizens in those spots.

    • Replies: @Realist
  54. MarkinLA says:
    @dfordoom

    Stupid, illogical or not, assuming there is no shooting war, I fully support anything that results in manufacturing and engineering jobs returning to the US. If it takes lies and massive manufactured public outrage to get it done then I am fine with it.

    The US doesn’t need China.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Anon
  55. Rurik says:
    @MarkinLA

    The US doesn’t need China.

    and never did

    The irony of Buchanan lamenting our relationship with China, is that it was his very own political paramour – Richard Nixon, who opened up communist China to the West.

    there’s ‘tricky Dick’ with his bestest pal ever, ’70 millions murdered’ – Mao.

    But if there was anything as manifestly irresistible than Mao’s insane commie bloodlust against his own countrymen, it was the infinite greed of American corporations, and their soulless CEO$.

    Pat has some nads to openly posit..

    But why did Americans, after a 40-year struggle with another “Evil Empire,” ever believe differently about the Communist Party of China?

    Knowing all along the oppressive nature of the communist regime, just as did his pal Nixon..

    .. when Nixon went over there to kiss Mao’s commie arse.

  56. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    how About telling the truth and starting political and economic reforms that will fix the corrupted system that is high jacked by a few interest groups?

    Or maybe you like the status quo and telling lies and engaging endless wars?

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  57. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    I posted at 12:22 pm GMT a short, direct reply to another comment on Mr. Sailer’s free speech column. I just checked to see that it’s still being “moderated by iSteve, at whim” after another dozen — all time stamped at least two hours later — have appeared.

    Exceptional!

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Realist
  58. Realist says:
    @MarkinLA

    Show how winning those competitions translates into Fields Medals and you might have a point.

    Show how winning Fields Medals provides anything of substance.

    FIFY

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  59. Realist says:
    @dfordoom

    Agreed…but why insult whores?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  60. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    As long as I’m at it, the reply is to Inverness (#11):

    ****

    It’s weird how enthralled our “bien pensants” are with China and how virulent their hatred is for Russia.

    Is it not weird how many who see through Russiadidit are out front in the Chinadidit parade?

    ***

    Necessity —> invention. Maybe the whimmed should post contrarian comments on another, little used thread. How about the BBC video channel?

  61. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    Exceptional!

    If you are referring to Sailer…I believe the word is Special

    • Replies: @anonymous
  62. “Sunday, Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas echoed the memo, charging that China’s leaders wanted the coronavirus to spread because they “did not want to see their relative power and standing in the world decline.”

    Now that’s a classic case of projection if ever there was one!

  63. Just another distraction from the fact that Jewish Hegemonists control the US and are pushing White Nakba on the West.

    Jewish Power wears a deflective mirror-armor suit. So, even when you look at Jewish Power, the mirror turns at angles to reflect some other thing. The mirror makes you see ‘Russia’, ‘Iran’, ‘China’, ‘White Supremacism’, and etc. as the main threats to the world.

  64. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    OK, but I may try using “Exceptional!” for all Chinadidit, PutinSkripaledMyHomework, and other foreign scapegoating propaganda across the website.

    And, par for the course, my comment over there now shows way upthread as #15 with the misleading time of my posting, while the discussion has reached #82.

    • Replies: @Realist
  65. MarkinLA says:
    @Realist

    The point is that somehow these competitions show the superiority of the Chinese and how lucky we are to have them when in reality there is nothing proven by them winning these competitions.

    The reference to Fields Medals is that to win one you have to have made a significant unique and previously undiscovered contribution to mathematics well above the great body of mathematicians. To win one of these competitions you are asked to solve problems with known answers faster than anybody else in the competition. The first one takes a top notch mathematician. The second can be done by above average but not extraordinary grinders.

    • Replies: @d dan
  66. MarkinLA says:
    @Anon

    So you know what the truth is, amongst all the lies? I am all ears.

  67. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    Yes, I am familiar with the treatment…I solved the problem by not reading or commenting on Sailer’s vapid, vacuous articles.

  68. Why is it that Muslims treat other religious groups, even indigenous people, like sh*t when they are the majority, but when they are the minority, we are supposed to respect them and treat them right?

    Did Pat forget to that the “Uighurs of Xinjiang” are Muslims and they were plotting terrorist attacks all over China?!

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    Agreed…but why insult whores?

    Good point. At least with a whore you’re engaged in an honest business transaction. Pay her the money and she provides the service she agreed to provide.

    Politicians are like whores who take your money first and then don’t deliver the goods.

    Political pundits and journalists are more like pimps. They take your money and tell you the girl is absolutely gorgeous and dynamite in bed. And then the girl they promised you doesn’t come across.

    Buchanan is a pimp trying to tell people that even though every single time all his stable of GOP girls have turned out to be duds in bed this time Trump is really going to show America a really good time.

  70. @Realist

    One really has to wonder what agency Gordon Chang works for. The guy has been totally wrong on almost every prediction he has made about China. How does he even have a job still – unless it’s for an alphabet agency..?

    • Replies: @Realist
  71. Realist says:
    @showmethereal

    The guy has been totally wrong on almost every prediction he has made about China. How does he even have a job still – unless it’s for an alphabet agency..?

    Being wrong…in a country of many idiots…does not preclude you from being a propagandist.

  72. KenH says:
    @romar

    No Chinese students in US universities would mean a loss for the US colleges, not for China. Levels in STEMS would plummet:

    Nah, we’ll be fine. America and white Americans were once world leaders in STEM fields and we can be so again if America stops waging war against its white majority and invests in them and their future. Were it not for Europe and America sending their manufacturing bases to China as well as massive and ongoing technology transfers that went with it they would still be a dirt poor 3rd or 4th world nation specializing in rice production and bat soup.

    • Replies: @d dan
  73. MarkinLA says:
    @White Rose

    What the Uighurs are doing has little to do with religion. It has to do with the Chinese government actively diluting their ancestral home by filling it up with Han Chinese from other areas. Eventually, the Uighurs will be a very small minority in their country.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @antibeast
  74. d dan says:
    @KenH

    “Were it not for Europe and America sending their manufacturing bases to China as well as massive and ongoing technology transfers that went with it they would still be a dirt poor 3rd or 4th world nation specializing in rice production and bat soup.”

    1. China was pretty advance technologically before the first foreign companies invested in them. They managed to detonate atomic and hydrogen (thermonuclear) bombs in the 1960, launched their nuclear submarine and satellite in the early 1970s. All of these were done under the strictest tech embargoes by BOTH the Soviet and western bloc. They even beaten some European countries and Japan in several of those military feats. Objectively, I would classify them as 1st tier tech countries close to the top one in Europe long before the first western investment.

    It is true that those tech were still decades behind the best in US and Soviet, and definitely not the state of the art achievements. But you have to understand how FAR behind and how POOR they were in the 1940s and 50s. Those type of progresses should already alert acute observers in US of the potential of China at that time.

    2. With regards to investment in China. Again, you are over-estimating the contribution of the western world for China’s progress. Take 2017 figures, for example: see how (un-)important is US investment to China?

    Hong Kong 72.1%
    Singapore 3.6%
    Virgin Islands 3.0%
    South Korea 2.8%
    Japan 2.4%
    USA 2.0%
    Cayman Islands 1.6%
    Netherlands 1.6%
    Taiwan 1.3%
    Germany 1.1%

    https://santandertrade.com/en/portal/establish-overseas/china/foreign-investment

    Furthermore, most of the manufacturing that being invested in China are not really the state of art technology from US and the west. For example, Intel invests in China, but their factories there are at least 1 or 2 generations behind those in US. Apple assembles iPhone in China because those are “relatively” low tech. It keeps its state of the art Mac manufacturing in US, and of course, its R&D as well. Same for Boeing, HP, Google,… They bring technologies to China only when they know China already, or is close to achieve at those technological level. They seldom, if ever, helps China to leapfrog technological gaps. Most high tech CEOs are not stupid, they know China is a potential competitor, and they clearly understand the potential of China, if not in the 1960s, but at least by now.

    3. Additionally, I suspect you are not aware of the many historical events about how US and the West tried to sanction, isolate and slow down Chinese progress in science and engineering research. For example CoCOM (link below) imposed the strictest limit for China:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinating_Committee_for_Multilateral_Export_Controls

    Even today, you can still see there are efforts to technologically isolate China. For example, US veto China from participating in the International Space Station. Obama also banned Intel from selling chips for China’s supercomputer project. Trump’s efforts to kill Huawei is just the latest high profile one that fits the historical pattern.

    So, no, China is here (scientifically and technologically) not because your imaginary West’s “massive and ongoing technology transfers”, but despite of the West’s efforts.

    4. Finally, please give credits where it is due. China has been investing a lot in R&D. Their R&D budget is already the 2nd highest in the world (and still increasing quickly). Even that understates their efforts because the salary and cost of engineers is lower for them. Their colleges pay attention to STEM education instead of social studies. Their students are willing to work hard, pick up a foreign language and go abroad to study whereas most US students would even bother to learn English. They focus and work hard while US quarrel and fight for political gain. Their best minds go to research lab while the best minds in US go to Wall Street. They invest in equipment, classrooms and infrastructure while US spends on foreign wars. Any wonder they catch up in more and more areas?

    Thump your chest all you want. You are clearly exaggerating their backwardness due to your own ignorance or trying to hide your head in the sand.

    • Replies: @KenH
  75. d dan says:
    @MarkinLA

    “… Chinese government actively diluting their ancestral home by filling it up with Han Chinese from other areas. Eventually, the Uighurs will be a very small minority in their country.”

    If you want to comment on an obscure topic like Uighur and Xinjiang, try to read up a bit. Han Chinese had been in Xinjiang LONG before Uighur were there. It is as much a Han Chinese country as that of Uighur’s.

    Don’t let the MSM and your hatred of China cloud your thinking.

  76. d dan says:
    @MarkinLA

    “The reference to Fields Medals is that to win one you have to have made a significant unique and previously undiscovered contribution to mathematics well above the great body of mathematicians. “

    Field Medals is a lagging indicator of the achievements. China achieves its level only within the last 5 to 10 years.

    Further, most Chinese top brains are interested in the practical areas. Yes, getting Field Medal and Noble Prize is good, but that is not the top priority for China right now.

  77. @bubbles

    “Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say: Governments are in general corrupt?”

    No; it would be more correct to say that evil – just like everything else in the universe – falls somewhere on a spectrum, and the Satanic USraeli Empire is at the extreme end of the spectrum, distinguishing itself as the most evil empire that’s ever existed on earth.

  78. @Rurik

    A white man fighting for the ZUS, (which I noticed recently banned any displays of the beloved Confederate battle flag), must be the worst kind of cuck there is.

    My father was a military brat who spent much of his life in the military, and he told me to stay away from the military. I have ancestors who served in the Continental Army, the War of 1812, the Civil War, both WWs, Korea and Vietnam, and my father bluntly told me that I have no business in the military. I have ancestors who fought at Normandy, in France during WWI, the hill hopping in Korea, Gettysburg Pickett’s Charge (Kemper’s Brigade), the Battle of Franklin (died and buried on the Carnton plantation) and I can’t relate at all to the people I see in uniform.

    When I hear a Marine commander say that the Confederate flag can’t be displayed, I know this nation is finished as anything I care for. The same people who claim to be destroying the world for freedom can’t even allow basic freedom of speech or expression in the military because of politics. What’s even worse is that I often sit in traffic near a major military base, and see “soldiers” from all over the world with foreign flags and decals all over their cars. Talk about the embodiment of offensive politics! These people are living, breathing symbols of hateful and destructive politics, as is this treasonous career seeking Marine commander. May they all rot in hell!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  79. antibeast says:
    @MarkinLA

    What the Uighurs are doing has little to do with religion. It has to do with the Chinese government actively diluting their ancestral home by filling it up with Han Chinese from other areas. Eventually, the Uighurs will be a very small minority in their country.

    The Xibu region was annexed by China during the Han Dynasty some 2,000 years ago when the Tocharians were living there as Indo-European Buddhists. That’s how Buddhism was introduced to China as Xibu became part of the Silk Road. The Uighurs settled there 1,000 years later and converted to Buddhism which was the dominant religion of the whole Central Asian region. When the Mongols established the Yuan Dynasty in China, they regained the Xibu region and recruited the Uighur Buddhists to serve the Chinese Empire. After the Fall of the Yuan, Muslim invaders started destroying the Buddhist Kingdoms in the Xibu region during the Ming Dynasty. The Qing Dynasty then regained the Xibu region from the Oirat Mongols until today.

    The Uighurs are not indigenous to the Xibu region, now called Xinjiang, and neither is Islam. That place was literally the birthplace of Buddhism in China which the Uighurs falsely claim to be their “Islamic” homeland which is contradicted by material evidence in the form of archaeological sites and written documents found in those historic places dating to the time of the Silk Road. Buddhism which is the indigenous religion of that region disappeared after the Muslim conquests, around five hundred years ago, ending almost 2,000 years of Buddhist Civilization in Central Asia. The idea that Uighurs deserve their own Islamic homeland is part of the Saudi-financed, CIA-supported Wahhabist-inspired Islamic Imperialism which has been targeting China and Europe for infiltration, subversion and colonization.

    The Uighurs are not even the first nor the largest population of Muslims in China. That’s the Hui Muslims who live all over China; they’re Han Chinese converts to Islam after Muslim traders settled and preached their new religion of Islam 1,500 years ago. That’s why the Mosques built by the Hui Muslims all over China are older than those found in Xinjiang. Muslims are not persecuted but are in fact protected by law in China. The best proof of this fact is the tens of millions of Hui Muslims who live in peace and harmony all over China which is completely ignored by the political propaganda of the Western Media.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  80. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “But Chinese foreign policy is rather unaggressive; China has no territorial ambitions against neighbors such as Vietnam, Japan, Korea or Russia.”

    It’s not about taking territory, it’s about controlling the resources in a territory. China is a significant source of foreign direct investment in Africa; offers development loans to resource-rich nations here; and develops special trade and economic cooperation zones in several states.’

  81. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    quite an impressive pedigree OilcanFloyd,

    and ‘Continental Army, the War of 1812, the Civil War’ were all honorable wars to fight in, at least on the South’s side.

    But General Smedley Butler was right about America’s wars of the 20th century, a racket of the banksters. Your father was wise in his advice.

    Today our military are killing and dying on behalf of their enemies. Being told that there is no more free speech for them, as they’re sent away to kill and die in order to impose ‘freedom’.

    Eventually when the forces of ‘diversity’ and PC and ‘wokeness’ reach a critical mass, how long until they ban the Stars & Stripes from being displayed by the military?

    Maybe they’ll have Colon Kapernick come up with a new design that isn’t so offensive.

    Anyways yea, I totally agree with you, that by banning any display of the Confederate flag, (and promoting transgenderism and radical feminism and the rest of ‘wokeness’) our military has proven its entire existence is a fraud. Built on lies and anti-white, anti-American heritage, and anti-freedoms that were hard won, going back to the Magna Carta.

    A self-respecting white man in the military today is an oxymoron.

    If Trump were to declare war on Russia, for saving Syria, for instance, I think the only honorable uniform to wear would be the Russian version.

    And that’s from an American who grew up with a sturdy patriotism and love for our flag and our heritage. That’s how far down the road to iniquity and damnation ((they)) and our treasonous politicians have taken this country.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  82. quite an impressive pedigree OilcanFloyd,

    They mostly fought as young men. I’d guess that most Old Stock Americans have similar ancestry.

    But General Smedley Butler was right about America’s wars of the 20th century, a racket of the banksters. Your father was wise in his advice.

    None of the actual combat vets that I ever knew had a positive view of war, and none were the flag-waving hurah types. Most had real distrust of the government, and loathed war.

    My father was willing to ship me overseas than to see me sent to the ME. I told him before that I appreciated his advice, and I hope he understood that. I found out two days ago that he has corona virus. He was placed on a ventilator today.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  83. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Your father sounds like a good man.

    My father served in the Pacific theater. He met MacArthur during his service there. He too was a good man, [RIP].

    The Vets I’ve known were mostly from Viet Nam, (I was child), and none of them were hurrah types, if anything, the opposite. Some were (are) down right hostile to our government, culture and society. I think there are some lingering scars, not just for what happened over there, but also for the disparaging treatment when they got home.

    With everything I’ve seen and learned, I’ve come to hate war, especially since every one I’ve been aware of are contrived by wealthy and amoral old men, for lied-about reasons.

    Nothing I’d love to see more than for William Kristol and Max Boot and Pompeo and the rest.. have to do the fighting and dying themselves for once. I’d pay good money to watch that.

    God bless to your dad, OilcanFloyd

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  84. KenH says:
    @d dan

    They managed to detonate atomic and hydrogen (thermonuclear) bombs in the 1960, launched their nuclear submarine and satellite in the early 1970s.

    And they had access to Western atomic secrets through defectors, a great deal of help from Khrushcev’s Soviet Union and Chinese scientists who were educated in Europe in the United States. If you are trying to claim that they created their nuclear bomb program from scratch then you just lost all credibility.

    They even beaten some European countries and Japan in several of those military feats.

    That’s because Japan was barred from pursuing the technology. Sure, China might have beaten some European countries like Poland and Romania while West Germany was limited in what it could do by the U.S. while East Germany was limited by the Soviet Union. I shouldn’t have to remind you how far advanced National Socialist Germany was in terms of rocket and jet propulsion technology and how their technology jump started the U.S. and Soviet space and jet fighter programs.

    And if China can truly stand alone and laugh at the West then why do they need to send massive numbers of their college age students to study STEM subjects in the U.S. and Europe? Are you unaware of the hyperintensive industrial espionage China commits against the West or will you attempt to downplay that as well?

    Regarding advanced Western technology they wish to appropriate something tells me you’ve never heard of an offset agreement. For example, if we sell jet engines to China then will demand a certain amount of content be manufactured in China as well as the manufacturing know how and intellectual property that go with it and their demands increase all the time. They don’t always get what they want but win their share of battles with American companies which is how they acquire advanced technology that was developed in America or Europe.

    You can cite all of the wikepedia articles you’d like but that’s what goes on in the real world.

    To give credit where credit is due Chinese STEM students do work very hard which is evidenced by their academic performance at universities. They don’t need grade inflation to achieve good grades and graduate with honors as blacks and latinos do. But once upon a time white Americans valued education, too, so that old America wouldn’t be overly impressed with high performing foreign students.

    Thump your chest all you want. You are clearly exaggerating their backwardness due to your own ignorance or trying to hide your head in the sand.

    Says the fragile Chinaman. Your troll farm masters probably gave you two packs of cigarettes with that long response to my post.

    • Replies: @d dan
  85. @Rurik

    Sometimes I think, well, maybe one can find some honor in a given soldier donning the uniform of the Continental Army or the CSA.

    Then I come to my senses.

    Fighting in the Continental Army meant fighting for the then 1% who wanted to impose their own version of a state subsidized, mercantalist, crony-capitalist regime. This came to be known as the “American System.” Any young man who made war against Great Britain should not be excused because he was not aware of the objectives of Messrs. Adams, Hamilton, and Washington. Far too many millions of lives have been lost to accord the benefit of the doubt to those who chose to butcher and murder and rape for flag and queen.

    The men who chose to do Washington’s killing should be charged with the responsibility of knowing that men like Washington and Adams were not interested in creating a society with more protection for individual liberty, private property, and free enterprise. Of course, they were going to create a powerful central government that would soon impose a tax burden far greater than the King had.

    As for the CSA, a young man’s donning of the grey was inextricably linked to the preservation of slavery. Yes, we can acknowledge that most of the men did not own slaves themselves; that they had a natural right to keep Union thugs out of their midst; that they had a right to kill all those who would impose tariffs on them; and that they had a natural right to defend themselves and their families against the Yankee barbarians.

    However, they did not have a natural right to defend “their way of life” if the same included the enslavement of human beings. To be sure, opposing Abraham Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression was laudable; but, such opposition did not have to be manifested in behalf of the stars & bars. I make this point as a man who is second to none in my loathing of Lincoln and all for which he stood.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  86. MarkinLA says:
    @antibeast

    While all of that may be true, when I took a motorcycle road trip from Urumchi to Kashgar and finally up the Karakoram Highway to Tashkurgan in 2006, about the only place I saw Han Chinese was in the large cities with oil related businesses.

    The vast majority of the people were Uighurs. I imagine it is a lot like the Tibetans. They don’t want to be swamped by Han Chinese into extinction.

  87. d dan says:
    @KenH

    “And they had access to Western atomic secrets through defectors, a great deal of help from Khrushcev’s Soviet Union and Chinese scientists who were educated in Europe in the United States. If you are trying to claim that they created their nuclear bomb program from scratch then you just lost all credibility.”

    Firstly, please tell me the names of the Chinese scientists who had knowledge in the design of atomic bomb or hydrogen bombs. Yes, I know of returned Ph.D. from the west, but none that I know possessed confidential knowledge of the bombs. Secondly, as I mentioned before, Soviet was irrelevant to China by 1960s because they had completely broken up. Finally, are you claiming that all their military programs (satellite, nuclear submarine, ICBM,…) were jump started by defector scientists? Did those defectors bring back blueprints too? Please provide names of Chinese scientists possessing confidential knowledge that defected to China. Public domain knowledge was just public – and it didn’t count. Please back up your claims – else you know who is losing credibility.

    “Sure, China might have beaten some European countries like Poland and Romania…”

    No, I am talking about France. China detonated hydrogen bomb earlier than France. Considering France was not under any technological embargo from US, it was a feat.

    “And if China can truly stand alone and laugh at the West then why do they need to send massive numbers of their college age students to study STEM subjects in the U.S. and Europe? “

    I already stated that China were decades behind Soviet and US. When did I say China “laugh” at the West. In fact, most Chinese had utmost respect of US and Soviet at that time, even though they were viewed as enemy.

    “Regarding advanced Western technology they wish to appropriate something tells me you’ve never heard of an offset agreement.”

    LOL, another diatribe about “forced” tech transfer, blah, blah, blah. China is not pointing a gun on anyone to sign on the dotted lines. Why all the bitterness against China?

    “You can cite all of the wikepedia articles you’d like but that’s what goes on in the real world.”

    The link wasn’t even from wikipedia. I provided you with figures about investment, examples of investment practices by US tech companies, historical events of western efforts to isolated China, etc. In addition, real world data and common sense (e.g. which CEOs wants to nurture a competitor?) further support my points: China was reasonably advance technologically before US investment started. Most foreign investments in China are not the state of arts technology. They helped China advance and capture market. They created wealth and integrated China into the world. But they are not the decisive factor in China technological and scientific progress.

    I believe my points are not belligerent nor outrageous Most neutral person would view them as reasonable. However, it will require you to come down from your high horse to understand them.

    “To give credit where credit is due Chinese STEM students do work very hard…”

    LOL. You are still not giving full credit where it is due. They do more than simply “work hard”. I already listed down several very obvious and non-controversial points. You obviously choose to ignore them.

    “Says the fragile Chinaman. Your troll farm masters probably gave you two packs of cigarettes with that long response to my post.”

    Something is telling me that you won’t let go of your superiority complex. So this is my last response to you. Feel free to have the final words and thanks for your conversation.

    • Replies: @Jiminy
    , @KenH
  88. @Rurik

    God bless to your dad, OilcanFloyd

    Thank you very much, Rurik.

  89. Jiminy says:
    @d dan

    Concerning China and the nuclear weapons- I am sure I read that Israel helped China along that path. I believe I read it in a story here on the unz.com website. The story might have been about the Kennedys,( not the band).

    • Replies: @d dan
  90. d dan says:
    @Jiminy

    “Concerning China and the nuclear weapons- I am sure I read that Israel helped China along that path. “

    I was talking about 1960s when China first developed those bombs. I doubt Israel helped China at that time.

  91. KenH says:
    @d dan

    Firstly, please tell me the names of the Chinese scientists who had knowledge in the design of atomic bomb or hydrogen bombs

    Oh, I think Ho Lee Fuk, Sumting Wong were the top two. The returning Chinese scientists only needed an academic background in physics which they obtained from the West. But Qian Sanqiang was one such scientist/physicist:
    Despite Mao’s proclamation of scientific independence, however, Qian Sanqiang traveled to East Germany in July 1959 to meet with former Manhattan Project physicist—and Soviet spy—Klaus Fuchs. Fuchs and Qian spent the summer of 1959 going over detailed designs of the “Fat Man” plutonium implosion bomb.
    https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/chinese-nuclear-program

    Something is telling me that you won’t let go of your superiority complex.

    Well white Westerners used to be superior but not anymore. If current trends continue the future belongs to China, not the West. The Chinese take pride in their race and their nation. They aren’t insane and don’t think overrunning China with hordes of subhumans from all over the world as the West is is a sign of high intelligence and social progress. Neither do the Chinese allow billionaire Jews to control their media and essentially run their country. The Chinese are superior at this juncture.

    Either way you earned another pack of cigarettes and a big bowl of bat soup for standing up to the arrogant American round eye!

    • Disagree: d dan
  92. @anonymous

    “Chinadidit ”

    Why can’t The butchers of Beijing AND the Bilderberg Globalists BOTH be the enemies of humankind? Why do we have to choose between Communists and Banksters?

    It is my opinion that they are both the enemies of the people of the world, and, it is my opinion that they are in cahoots about it. I’ve thought for a long time now that the Banksters want to run the whole world the exact same way that the CCP runs Red China. They are not enemies, they are not even rivals, they are partners, birds of a feather flocking together. Is this too hard to believe? Isn’t it obvious now that I’m pointing it out to you?

    So, yeah, it’s bullshit to blame ONLY China, and it’s bullshit to blame ONLY the Bankster Cabal.

    Why look stupid by ridiculing those who are able to at least see half of the problem?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  93. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    should not be excused because he was not aware of the objectives of Messrs. Adams, Hamilton, and Washington.

    they were flawed, but the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights, are (in my opinion) the apex of human evolution / God’s creation.

    And for many generations, (white) Americans were indeed free from the tyranny of the British banksters.

    However, they did not have a natural right to defend “their way of life” if the same included the enslavement of human beings.

    How would they, (poor men who would not be slaves), end the institution of slavery, (that was a bane to their ‘way of life’ as well?

    Slavery, (like immigration today) was a pestilence to the working class white man of the South. It effectively put him out of work.

    Wasn’t it you, Liberty Mike, who mentioned the Outlaw Josey Wales once, and his conversation with Ten Bears?

    Like you, I loved that scene. And like Josey, I hope that I too would have donned ‘the Grey’, and put it to the minions of tyranny.

  94. Yes, you are right about my mentioning Josey Wales’ encounter with Ten Bears. Yes you are also right that I absolutely, deeply, madly, and truly love that scene.

    If I were Josey, I would have donned the grey as well. However, let us not forget several very important things:

    (1) that he joined the Grey after the blue-bellied butchers had murdered his family;

    (2) when the Grey surrendered, he didn’t;

    (3) when the Grey turned in their weapons, he didn’t;

    (4) when the Yankee savages were gunning down the Johnny Rebs who had surrendered their arms,
    he came to their defense;

    (5) rather than submit, he chose to chart his own course; and

    (6) he never defended slavery.

    Obviously, Josey’s character threaded a certain pro individual liberty, pro self defense, pro self ownership, anti-Lincoln, anti-Yankee needle.

    In my view, you are, or aspire to be, a Josey Wales. I trust that you take that as a compliment.

    Guys like Tom Woods and DiLorenzo have it right.

    As for the Declaration of Independence and the BOR, of course, they are great aspirational documents.

    Yes, while we were free from British banksters, we were not so free from those who imposed a much heavier burden of taxation upon us and those who ruthlessly suppressed the folks who opposed the same.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  95. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I trust that you take that as a compliment.

    I reckon so.

    Actually I consider it a huge complement Mike, thanks. But those are powerful shoes to aspire to.

    Josey Wales has become an iconic figure in Americana. With his charactor resonating with so many, in these days of rampant tyranny, wars and corruption. We could all do much worse than aspiring to Josey’s laconic refusal to submit to it all.

    (2) when the Grey surrendered, he didn’t;

    I stopped considering the federal government as legitamte when I understood the principle (or lack there of) of Affirmative Action. There was no way I was going to accept such a government as valid. It no longer had my consent, and so in my heart, it was an imposter and a tyrant. I was free, and have been ever since, at least in my heart of hearts.

    Yankee savages were gunning down the Johnny Rebs who had surrendered their arms,

    How can we interpret what Dubya did to Iraq, if not the exact same thing?

    (5) rather than submit, he chose to chart his own course

    There’s something about them there words, that just sounds right to me.

    he never defended slavery.

    I’d say he went one further, and represented the ultimate personification of ‘judge people by the charactor of their soul, not the color of their skin’. A man like Josey Wales, is mutually exclusive to an institution like slavery. Can’t say that about the Yankees, any more so then, or today.

    Yes, while we were free from British banksters, we were not so free from those who imposed a much heavier burden of taxation upon us and those who ruthlessly suppressed the folks

    Yes, but the illegal and unconstitutional income tax didn’t come until after the Federal Reserve took over (was given) control of the Republic generations later. And imposed wars and draconian taxes and a thousand other outrages against the dignity of these beleaguered lands.

    Josey had to fight a tyrant hell bent on rapine, theft and murder, but even the Yankees of his day didn’t demand to impose gender fluidity, Affirmative Action, Eternal Wars for hostile foreigners thousands of miles away, or God knows how many other outrages against human dignity, decency or honor.

    Both Josey and Ten Bears and you and I, have a lot more in common between us than any of us do with Eric Swallowswell or his ilk.

    In fact, if I were to characterize Swallowswell, in a way he is a perfect personification of someone for whom ‘doing right ain’t got no end’.

    what, if not ‘doing right’, (and enjoying the perks there of) is Eric’s whole point of existence?

  96. Did you hear about the skydiver whose parachute malfunctioned?

    He died of Covid-19.

    The visual of one Bill McKinney is so apropos for the likes of Mr. Swallowswell (that is a gem because it has such a Yankee ring to it ) and his ilk.

    Yes, I concur with your assessment that even the Yankee of Josey’s day was more tolerable than the contemporary version. Heck, if we use cinematic characters as proxies, I could see myself not only tolerating, but actually liking, John Wayne’s Cord McNally (Rio Lobo) and John Henry Thomas (The Undefeated).

    In both films, Wayne’s character goes out of his way to mend fences with former Confederates. In Rio Lobo, he plays a former Union colonel who pursues a sergeant who sold information to the Johnny Rebs and he enlists two former Confederate soldiers to assist him.

    In The Undefeated, he sacrifices the money he would have made in selling 3,000 horses to the Mexican government and gives them to the Mexican rebels, as a ransom, in order to spare the lives of Rock Hudson’s renegade confederates.

    Wayne, of course, represented a by-gone phenomenon: an authentic American Civnat rugged individualism uneasily tethered to Lincoln and the Pentagon.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  97. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Wayne, of course, represented a by-gone phenomenon:

    While I enjoy the portrayal of unabashed American maleness that Wayne was so popular for, (and lament it’s passing for the most part, to be replaced by white men who’re either stone-cold evil, or fruity soy-boy), I also winced at a lot of the stuff Wayne did. Many of his movies incorporated politically correct tropes, (like in the The Undefeated, where the young blond was gushing over the ‘full-blooded Indian boy, and Jan Michael Vincent is left out in the cold)

    ‘you mean the Indian get the only white pussy around, and I have to jerk off?!’

    I never noticed the PC tropes back in the day, but now they seem as absurd as they would have been in those post-Civil war days. With John Wayne and Rock Hudson yukking it up about ‘what’s the Indian boy’s intentions with that girl’, ‘Probably disgraceful colonel, Har, har, har’. And then they pan to Vincent pouting alone, with a homo officer checking him out. Well, there’s your consolation, Jan Michael – young white men of America.

    But still, I agree, it’s refreshing to watch those old movies from time to time, just to see white men and women portrayed as normal human beings. Sans all the insane PC lunacy where everyone’s either homosexual or interracial couples and where evil white men are the ubiquitous boogey man, that ((they’re)) force-injecting into the current generations.

    But they started the heat in the frog’s frying pan even back in Wayne’s day.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  98. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Solbakken

    Why look stupid by ridiculing those who are able to at least see half of the problem?

    Mr. Solbakken, this particular comment of mine was about this particular column. Seeing (and selling) only half IS the problem. FYI, Godfree Roberts has earlier today “Troll” buttoned me for noting his obsessive defensiveness on behalf of the Chinese government.

    Why look stupid by making assumptions about me and announcing that you see a bigger picture?

  99. @Rurik

    Frankly, I never thought of the politically correct angle with regard to Jan Michael Vincent’s character losing out to Roman Gabriel’s character. You do know, however, that Roman Gabriel’s character was Wayne’s adopted son.

    You do agree, it would appear, with my thesis that Wayne’s characters in both Rio Lobo and The Undefeated, represented a kind of civnat ecumenicism, blended with an authentic combination of unapologetic manliness, leadership by example and through persuasion, and rugged individualism paired with genuine altruism.

    One thing about Wayne vs. Ronnie Raygun: the Panama Canal. Although he loved him some Ronnie, Wayne took him to task for bending over to the MIC.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Rurik
  100. “Seeing (and selling) only half IS the problem. ”

    I’m not going to say there is a linear calculation to it. I’m not going to say that seeing none of the perfidy is twice as bad as seeing half of it.

    But I will apologize for phrasing my comment the way I did. I will admit that even though I think I see the bigger picture of the US and China going back to Truman and Marshall and Acheson and the Dulles Bros, it doesn’t mean I know where you personally are coming from.

    I’ve been begging and pleading with people to not fall for the propaganda about China since the first MFN in 1979. I knew when Nixon first went there in 1972 that it was a big mistake, if such things are ever actually “mistakes.” So I get frustrated sometimes, and also I’m new around here.

  101. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    was Wayne’s adopted son.

    yea, I saw that.

    They used Wayne’s status as a bold white man to sell the race mixing, which most whites were still uneasy about.

    It seems to me that pushing immigration and race mixing is the Jew’s holiest of holies. Even more than supporting Israel or swindling money or pushing homomania, they gush over whitey blending out of existence.

    I wonder if even more than genociding whitey, they get a kick out of seeing the Jan Michael Vincints in the world going incel.

    And yes, I do appreciate the fair treatment of the South that Hollywood begrudgingly provided back then. As you point out with Wayne’s charactor in that movie and others.

  102. Your point on using Wayne as the bold white man to push race mixing is well taken.

    Another example was Wayne’s character, Tom Doniphon, in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. There was a bar scene in which Woody Strode’s character, Pompey, was denied service until Doniphon intervened.

    The SJWs who know their film history would probably counter that Wayne referred to Woody Strode’s character as “my boy Pompey” in a memorable scene involving Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, and Lee Marvin.

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