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Easter may not bring America the victory in the war against the coronavirus pandemic that President Donald Trump anticipated. But in this Holy Week, we may be reaching our Saratoga moment, our turning point.

While New York state reported a record number of deaths from the virus on Tuesday, over 1,800, new hospitalizations were down.

Referrals of patients to ICUs were down. Intubations were down. And the discharge rate for patients from hospitals was holding steady.

The thousands of ventilators Gov. Andrew Cuomo had been crying out for are, apparently, not immediately needed. The U.S. Navy hospital ship Comfort moored on the Hudson with a capacity of 1,000 beds remains largely empty. So, too, are the thousands of beds in Manhattan’s Javits Center, which has been converted into an emergency hospital.

“We are flattening the curve,” exulted Cuomo on Wednesday, “Thank God. Thank God. Thank God.”

Predictions of 1 million to 2 million U.S. deaths are no longer heard.

Last week’s projection from the White House briefing room of 100,000 to 240,000 dead has been revised, sharply downward.

Tuesday, Dr. Deborah Birx said the model she is working with projects 81,000 deaths. By Wednesday, that had dropped 25% to an estimated 60,000 U.S. deaths.

A terrible toll, still more than all the Americans who died in the Vietnam war, but compared to earlier estimates, hopeful news.

Social distancing and sheltering in place are working.

California, Oregon and Washington have begun to ship medical equipment to states where infections are still surging.

Moreover, it appears that some deaths being attributed to COVID-19 were caused by underlying conditions patients had when they came to the hospital, such as cancer, heart disease, hypertension, pneumonia, diabetes, asthma.

Yes, this could be a false dawn. We are warned of the possibility that the coronavirus, after cutting its initial murderous swath by August, could revisit us in the fall with a new season of lethal attacks.

But by then, we may have developed vaccines or drugs to prevent, mitigate or even cure the disease.

What appears conclusive now is this: The American people and nation are aware, fully engaged in the fight, and, on several fronts, gaining the whip hand over the pandemic.

Hence, understandably, consideration is being given to resuscitating the U.S. economy before this nationwide shutdown plunges America into a full-blown depression that exacts its own toll of premature deaths.

Upon this question now, the Trump presidency appears to hang:

Will Trump’s actions flatten the curve and put the pandemic on an irreversible downward course in daily cases and deaths, as he produces a U-turn, if not a V-turn, dramatically driving the economy upward from depression and toward national prosperity?

Can he revive the economy without reviving the virus?

Or will the coronavirus so severely cripple the economy that the depression it produces will kill the Trump presidency?

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie framed the issue thus: “Politically, nothing else matters. … I have never seen a time when an opponent is more irrelevant. And that’s not an insult to Vice President Biden.

“But in the end, the American people are going to decide, has the president of the United States stood up to this crisis, and done right by them and protected their lives and their property, or hasn’t he?”

Trump’s true adversary in this election is not Joe Biden, the hermit candidate sheltering in place. Biden is but a name on the November ballot you mark if you want to remove and replace Donald Trump.

Trump’s real antagonists are the media who detest him and are determined, having failed to impeach and remove him, to drive him from office by portraying him as a foolish, failed president in the worst crisis to hit the country since Pearl Harbor.

The crucial decision Trump will make is to choose the exact moment to reopen the country and the economy, without igniting a new spike in the pandemic that induces despair and causes a panic.

ORDER IT NOW

The president’s aides in charge of the medical crisis want the longest delay possible. His economic and political advisers, fearing Trump could be forced to run as Herbert Hoover did, at the nadir of a new depression, want an earlier decision to start opening up the country.

Action cannot long be delayed if we are to survive the medical crisis only to endure a longer and more costly economic crisis.

Thursday morning, jobless claims revealed that another 6.6 million Americans had lost their jobs, bringing to 16.7 million the number who have filed for unemployment in just three weeks.

One in 10 Americans is now out of work.

Six weeks ago, Trump was boasting, and justifiably so, of having the greatest economy of any president in recent memory. Now, the possibility exists that he could go into the fall election with the worst economy since Hoover and the Great Depression of 1932.

Trump’s decision, which will determine the fate of his presidency, is likely close at hand.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. ”One in 10 Americans is now out of work.“

    Six weeks ago, Trump was boasting, and justifiably so, of having the greatest economy of any president in recent memory. Now, the possibility exists that he could go into the fall election with the worst economy since Hoover and the Great Depression of 1932.‘

    So, in answer to the question, “Cui Bono?”, one must reply, “the Democrats”. Food for thought.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @goldgettin
  2. Gg Mo says:

    Trump is no longer president… He has been removed.

  3. jsinton says:

    They won’t be vaccinating me. No Mark of the Beast upon thee.

  4. Rich says:

    I don’t see how we don’t have a depression after this. How many small and medium sized businesses will never re-open? How many construction jobs put on hold never re-start? Doesn’t mean Trump loses, though, Biden is such a poor candidate, I can’t see anyone voting for him. A young socialist supporter of Bernie I’m acquainted with told me today there is no way she’d vote for Biden. So there’s that sentiment that I’m sure a lot of far left dems share, and Biden’s anti-gun stance won’t help him in any of the states he needs. Blacks won’t be fired up for him even if he picks that gap-toothed loser from Georgia, maybe if he goes with Dave Chappelle?

    • Replies: @Bill H
  5. jsinton says:

    Greatest economy ever? Get a life. Smoke and mirrors Ponzi scheme economy. All money was made in the stock market, but there was no value to it. Pure speculation. It was a house of cards. And it fell like a house of cards. Or WTC7. And it’s not done falling yet.

    • Agree: Realist, Exile
    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Thomasina
  6. “A terrible toll, still more than all the Americans who died in the Vietnam war, but compared to earlier estimates, hopeful news.”

    I like Buchanan, but he really needs to read up on preventable medical error. > 200,000 deaths per year, far worse than this overblown virus.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  7. Hmmmm. What nation could do more to help the US economy than any other country on earth?

    Let me think….

    • Replies: @Exile
    , @fish
    , @Thomasina
    , @BenKenobi
  8. gsjackson says:
    @jsinton

    Pat seems to think he’s still a PR guy, like when he headed up the Reagan communication office in the late ’80s.

  9. @ThreeCranes

    Trumps unfailing response should be “You should be thanking God that Biden wasn’t president.”

  10. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Buchanan grows cornier by the month. Once a dissident, he’s now cheerleader for Team Red, seizing every opportunity to focus everything through the prism of Beltway politics and selling the notion that Dow Jones is just another American.

    Consider:

    “But in this Holy Week, we may be reaching our Saratoga moment, our turning point.”

    “The crucial decision Trump will make is to choose the exact moment to reopen the country and the economy, without igniting a new spike in the pandemic that induces despair and causes a panic.”

    “Six weeks ago, Trump was boasting, and justifiably so, of having the greatest economy of any president in recent memory.”

    Who takes this seriously? Reading these columns is like watching TV.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Anonymous
  11. Realist says:

    Predictions of 1 million to 2 million U.S. deaths are no longer heard.

    Last week’s projection from the White House briefing room of 100,000 to 240,000 dead has been revised, sharply downward.

    Those were always wild speculation.

    What appears conclusive now is this: The American people and nation are aware, fully engaged in the fight, and, on several fronts, gaining the whip hand over the pandemic.

    Hence, understandably, consideration is being given to resuscitating the U.S. economy before this nationwide shutdown plunges America into a full-blown depression that exacts its own toll of premature deaths.

    The economic cost will be horrendous .

    The president’s aides in charge of the medical crisis want the longest delay possible.

    They have been wrong about everything so far…extremely wrong.

    Six weeks ago, Trump was boasting, and justifiably so, of having the greatest economy of any president in recent memory.

    His boast was of having the greatest economy of any president ever.
    The stock market has appeared to have done well, due to excessive printing of fiat money and buy backs…but the economy…not so much.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Thomasina
  12. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    “But in this Holy Week, we may be reaching our Saratoga moment, our turning point.”

    Buchanan is a hopeless religionist.

  13. swamped says:

    “Predictions of 1 million to 2 million U.S. deaths are no longer heard.
    Last week’s projection from the White House briefing room of 100,000 to 240,000 dead has been revised, sharply downward.Tuesday, Dr. Deborah Birx said the model she is working with projects 81,000 deaths. By Wednesday, that had dropped 25% to an estimated 60,000 U.S. deaths. A terrible toll, still more than all the Americans who died in the Vietnam war, but compared to earlier estimates, hopeful news”…& very suspicious: how could the so-called experts have been so wildly off-base? Were those earlier numbers recklessly inflated to make it appear that “social distancing and sheltering in place are working”? Or have the American public been bamboozled again, even more than 9/11? It even “appears that some deaths being attributed to COVID-19 were caused by underlying conditions patients had when they came to the hospital, such as cancer, heart disease, hypertension, pneumonia, diabetes, asthma.”
    “Yes, this could be a false dawn”…or it could be a false drawn super-scare. There’s more than the fate of the Trump presidency at stake here.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  14. martin_2 says:

    Surely even the dumbest American voter is not going to blame President Trump for the economic fallout due to the Coronavirus, nor will they think that anyone else could have handled it any better.
    He has just taken advice from the scientific experts, as anyone else would and should have done.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Corvinus
  15. Wielgus says:
    @Realist

    Wild speculation perhaps, but Ron Unz seemed to be giving it some credence – lucky to avoid a million dead by summer etc. – I can’t be bothered looking back at exactly what he wrote but it was tending towards official alarmism.

    • Replies: @Realist
  16. JasonT says:

    Your comparison of COVID-19 deaths of U.S. citizens to Vietnam War deaths is specious. COVID-19 contributes to the death of primarily the elderly and those with underlying conditions, just like any other of a myriad of virus we have been living with for thousands of years. Vietnam War deaths were primarily deaths of young men.

    “Social distancing and sheltering in place are working.”
    This is incorrect. Deaths are going down because COVID-19 is not as dangerous as the hype, and deaths in which such viruses are implicated always start to go after the surge. It is the usual annual cycle.

    “But by then, we may have developed vaccines or drugs to prevent, mitigate or even cure the disease.”
    Vaccines don’t work well and themselves cause health problems. Inexpensive drugs and other treatments to treat this virus are already known.

    Since the “medical crisis” is manufactured, the president’s aides in charge of the medical crisis can keep this going as long as it takes to oust Trump for someone even more compliant to the Deep State.

    “Six weeks ago, Trump was boasting, and justifiably so, of having the greatest economy of any president in recent memory.”
    This is just plain wrong. The economy was very good for the very-wealthy, but was a shambles for the working class.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @BlackDragon
  17. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    2017 USA deaths from seasonal flu: 80,000

    New projection per COVID-19 deaths: 60,000

    Current US COVID-19 deaths count: 16,686

    Hysteria rules!

  18. KenH says:

    Upon this question now, the Trump presidency appears to hang:

    If Trump had balls he would tell Fauci and scarf lady that April 30th is the red line and they better come up with guidelines to allow the nation to get back to work and if they can’t then they should resign. Fauci, scarf lady and the rest of the so called medical experts have lived in academic and government ivory towers their entire lives, don’t really understand how the economy works, have fool proof job security and suffer no financial consequences from their questionable decisions (based on flawed models) affecting tens of millions of people.

    Writer Angelo Codevilla said if Trump’s voters perceive that he is siding with the establishment over common sense and flyover country (or something to that effect) that it will jeopardize his 2020 re-election chances.

    Besides, I would think Trump would wish to open the economy ASAP otherwise he can’t run low black and hispanic unemployment which seems to be his most proud achievement. The white people who voted Trump in to office will just have to settle for salty tweets, cheap slogans, and dog whistles.

    • Agree: fish, Hail
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Hail
  19. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Good points. He seems to be completely blind to the prevailing mood among the unwashed. Hence the incessant and unjustified usage of “we” and “our” in these political horse trading articles.

  20. Realist says:
    @Wielgus

    Wild speculation perhaps, but Ron Unz seemed to be giving it some credence – lucky to avoid a million dead by summer etc

    Yes there is a lot of wild speculation.

  21. Ko says:

    If not for Hydrochloriquine w/ Z-Pak’s there would have been thousands of more deaths. The research was done in October/November 2020.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.002386v2.full.pdf

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  22. Exile says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Your shilling has reached Semitic power levels.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  23. Bill H says:
    @Rich

    Your young socialist female voter won’t vote for Biden until he names Kamela Harris for vice president. She will change her mind in a heartbeat the moment he does that, because she will be voting Harris for president. Biden will last only a few months in the White House before the VP takes over for him.

    • Replies: @fish
    , @davidgmillsatty
  24. Hossein says:

    This article is nothing but a long boring diatribe by Pat to absolve the inept and useless Trump administration that promised a miraculous end to the pandemic,it did NOT, and ignored every scientific referral and advice from likes of Dr Fauci and other notable scientists and health professionals.

  25. @JasonT

    Inexpensive drugs and other treatments to treat this virus are already known.

    True, but anti-virals like Vitamin C and organically grown garlic are cheaper while Vitamin D is free, providing you are allowed outside.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  26. @KenH

    the so called medical experts have lived in academic and government ivory towers their entire lives, don’t really understand how the economy works,

    That may be true, but neither do most of the so-called economic experts that are cheerleaders for the globalist project. The most efficient economies are the ones in which the populations can participate to the greatest degree. That means less globalism, low unemployment and higher wages for the masses, which is the bane of finance capital. Simply put, the more local products consumed by local populations with more disposable income = a good economy.

  27. @Ko

    I am unable to find the link, but I do recall that a French doctor recommended Hydrochloriquine around the time of the SARS and MERS outbreaks. Here is an indirect reference in a 2017 article:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5733787/

    • Replies: @Ko
  28. fish says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Strong words from “Dances with China”! Now here’s Bob with the weather.

  29. fish says:
    @Bill H

    Biden will last only a few months in the White House before the VP takes over for him.

    They’ll start planning the elaborate State Funeral the day after the inauguration.

  30. anastasia says:

    If I drew up the Imperial Model, which was the one Washington relied upon to take their drastic measures, I would have been brought before federal investigators, and I would have been hammered at congressional hearings. How could you make a 1,600,000 mistake in the US and a 480,000 mistake in the UK? By now, if I did not turn over my raw material used to make the model, like this guy refused to turn over, I probably would be sitting in some federal prison cell.

    Instead, this guy is still treated as if he had credibility, they are still quoting him, and using his “revised” model.

    Good night nurse.

  31. nickels says:

    Uhhhh, prove social distancing works.
    South Carolina has fewer deaths than Colorado.
    China and South Korea implemented social facism after their peak.
    Totally unsubstantiated.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  32. @swamped

    Didn’t that Birx woman state that everyone, (mostly the sick and elderly), who died WITH Corona will be coded as dying FROM Corona? And, IMO, it’s not just to pad the death counts, although that is a big part of it, as the sheeple must remain in a constant state of fear.

    A pragmatic reason is that hospitals bills are guaranteed to be reimbursed by the Feds for every death CAUSED BY Corona. So, if some who die in hospital from other causes are without insurance, they will have to eat those costs. Thus hospitals are incentivized to list those deaths as due to Corona, even if that is not the reason, if they want to be paid.

    Therefore, anyone would have to be completely uninformed or naive to believe in the official death stats. Perhaps others who claim to believe may know better but are just lying.

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @botazefa
  33. Rurik says:

    will the coronavirus so severely cripple the economy that the depression it produces will kill the Trump presidency?

    Trump should advocate for a return to normalcy as soon as reasonable, and then sit back and watch the hysterical screeching that ‘He’s going to kill us all!!

    Then, once the economic pain begins to effect Americans more severely, Trump can point out that he tried to revive the economy, but the fake news ((media)) and assorted Democrats (Pelsoi, Schumer, et al) prevented him from doing so. He can make them ‘own’ the economy.

    That is of course if the whole ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ isn’t just more theater. And the Cornhole Virus isn’t just a ruse to implement the ((One World Government)) once and for all.

    But if so, China and Russia and others would have to be playing along, and I find it a stretch to think they’re that coordinated.

    More likely, the Cornhole is simply being used by everybody to bolster their respective agendas, and as the election approaches, things could get interesting.

    In Zimbabwe, the blacks were willing to kill their golden goose, and plunge their nation into a dystopian hell on earth, out of pure racial resentment (hatred) for productive white folks.

    Who doubts that the ‘wokes’ would not do exactly the same thing to Red State America by deliberately destroying the economy, if it meant getting rid of Trump. Even if it meant a nation-wide economic collapse..

  34. Respiratory illness, colds and flu, are nearly impossible to stop.

    You can hide under our bed…..but when you come out you’re going to get it anyway.

  35. @martin_2

    There are plenty of scientific and medical experts with differing opinions from the ones Trump is listening to. He is just listening to the wrong ones, especially the incompetent 79 year-old Anthony Fauci, who is older than both Bernie and Biden.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  36. CA got the virus last year. Now we have herd immunity with only 5% of the per capita deaths as New York. ” Californians may have developed some herd immunity to coronavirus last year, Stanford team theorizes ”
    LOS ANGELES (KABC) — New York state has half the population of California but has experienced 14 times as many deaths from coronavirus.
    Experts are looking into several possibilities as to why California hasn’t been hit as hard.
    The trend has been particularly surprising, experts say, given the state has a large number of people in poverty and homelessness, and saw a substantial amount of travel to and from China last year.”
    “The state had a significant amount of travel to and from China last year – some 8,000 Chinese visitors a DAY at California’s airports.” https://abc7.com/health/were-californians-exposed-to-coronavirus-last-year/6091220/

    • Replies: @nsa
    , @MarkinPNW
  37. Wielgus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Yes, I sunned myself outside for the first time in about 10 days. I managed to avoid being arrested.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  38. Wielgus says:
    @follyofwar

    That seems to conform to what I know about the US medical system, although I am not an American.

  39. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    the incompetent 79 year-old Anthony Fauci,

    He’s much more than just incompetent, follyofwar

    He’s also a deepstate apparatchik of the NWO Glob

    And was known to gush over Hillary

    ‘letters from Anthony Fauci to Hillary Clinton through her aid/lawyer Cheryl Mills:

    “rarely does a speech bring me to tears”… “please tell her I love her more than ever”

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  40. Hail says: • Website
    @KenH

    if Trump’s voters perceive that he is siding with the establishment over common sense and flyover country (or something to that effect) that it will jeopardize his 2020 re-election chances

    Relatedly, I must say I am fascinated by the new Corona Political Split. It’s still unpredictable and unclear who is on whose side, or what the sides are, or how long the split will last.

    It’s comparable in political terms to the chaotic aftermath of a coup d’etat which got out of control and had unclear results, a government collapse followed by a period of political-vacuum; people emerge to push agendas, test the waters, and — if no countervailing force — boldly try to seize power and/or otherwise “jockey for political advantage” and try to ride the coattails of the new order. (“I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords.” –Kent Brockman)

    More thoughts on this here: “Against the Corona Panic, Pt. II: “Honor the Truth, be Steadfast, Defend the Nation” — Say ‘No’ to jockeying for political advantage on the coattails of Corona Hysteria’. Excerpt:

    [MORE]

    Further thoughts on the new Corona political division, cross-cutting the old

    The emergence in CoronaPanic world of a completely new political or quasi-political split, along lines that did not exist before, continues to fascinate me. It is not some subtle difference of viewpoint on something obscure, not a minor adjustment on the margins here and there. This is a major split, or a series of internal splits, the birth of a new axis along which people align; the Corona axis ranges from pro- to neutral to anti-.

    The media, which is full-on ‘pro,’ and many of those claiming the moral high ground on the ‘pro’ side, condemn the ‘anti’ side as Flat Earth-style wackos and immoral. Hunter Wallace slams, in similar terms, “conservatives” for being CoronaSkeptics or ‘CoronaDeniers’ (which has certainly not been anywhere near true for the past month, and never quite was true; the in-earnest Corona Political Split developed over a few-week period in March, and establishment conservatives almost to a man and woman dove into the pro-CoronaPanic camp, sadly including Tucker Carlson). In truth, there is a broader cross-cutting split here, a seemingly irreconcilable one, at least as long as the Corona Crisis to lasts (as long as they permit it to last).

    I have struggled to define or apply convenient labels to this new division. I have used the terms ‘pro-CoronaPanic‘ and ‘anti-CoronaPanic,’ labels which themselves admittedly reveal my position on the matter. I view the ‘CoronaPanic’ as a public-policy disaster based on bad data, a case of mass hysteria.) A somewhat less-provocative way to say it is: pro-CoronaShutdowns vs. anti-CoronaShutdowns. I had previously proposed “Corona Skeptics” against “The Shut-Everything-Down-Indefinitely mob mentality.” I admit that one is also provocative. How would a pro-CoronaPanic person label those of us on the anti-CoronaPanic side?

    The pro-CoronaPanic side believes the virus is a serious threat. But more interesting than their belief is how all kinds of interests have emerged to energize, prop up, and drive forward the pro-CoronaPanic side. It is as happens after political revolutions with unclear results; people of all sorts emerge and begin trying to pull ‘it’ (the revolution) in their direction.

    Corona Opportunists are of all sorts, sometimes motivated by petty and/or personal considerations or wishes, sometimes grandiose. Call these people Corona Opportunists. I observed in March that while many were afraid, most of the figures really pushing/indulging in CoronaPanic-ism did so out of some sort of self-interest, a list to which the first half of this post adds another important but overlooked one: “Jockeying for political position.”

    The subset of Corona Opportunists whose instinct is to jockey for political position, whatever it may be, reminds of the ironic quip you’ll hear, usually said of a sort of career politician: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/against-the-corona-panic-pt-ii-honor-the-truth-be-steadfast-defend-the-nation-say-no-to-jockeying-for-political-advantage-on-the-coattails-of-corona-hysteria/#coronapoliticaldivision

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  41. Corvinus says:
    @martin_2

    Trump said that he should be judged by the economy, you shill.

  42. @Wielgus

    Congratulations!
    I’ve been bad. I go for daily walks – without a dog.

  43. Corvinus says:

    “But in this Holy Week, we may be reaching our Saratoga moment, our turning point.”

    LOL. Buchanan is grasping for straws. Here are 4 recent articles that counter him.

    ==Trump slams Wall Street Journal for failing to mention ratings in critical editorial on virus briefings

    ==Lifting restrictions in the U.S. like stay-at-home orders and school closures after just 30 days could lead to a spike in coronavirus infections this summer, government projections indicate

    ==VP Mike Pence’s office reversed course on Thursday afternoon, after declining for days to allow the nation’s top health officials to appear on CNN and discuss the coronavirus pandemic. Two health officials will be appearing on CNN later this week.

    ==Surgeon General Jerome Adams predicts most of US won’t be ready to open by May 1

  44. Corvinus says:
    @Hail

    There is no Corona Coup D’Etat.

    • Disagree: Hail
  45. I’ve voted for Pat for president in every election since 1992, but I don’t understand what he’s talking about now. The economy is not good! I see more homeless than I have ever seen, and I don’t live in a large city.

    How did the economy improve when manufacturing did not return? And who are the jobs that have been created going to? I see more foreigners in America than I have ever seen, and I live in an area that was never an immigration hotspot. Between immigration and Affirmative Action, Trump’s base (which is also Pat’s base) likely benefited the least from whatever peanuts were tossed towards the middle and working classes.

    In the end, the people running the country are completely detached from the masses that they despise, and the whole system is designed to kick as much money upwards as possible, while giving as little benefit to the nation as possible, and that goes for education, medical care, the military, banking and finance, etc. Everything is a racket, and there is nothing in place to bring justice to the nation. Just look at the joke we call the Supreme Court!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  46. The Democrats are betting that their choice for Biden’s VP, Caroney Vyrus – a Woman of Color and our first Asian Vice President, will lead them towards victory this November.

  47. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Agree with everything you wrote, but please just consider what the Supreme Court would be today under the war hag.

    And Trump only has contempt for us, whereas the war hag hates us with a netherworld, murderous insanity.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Wielgus
    , @Saggy
  48. nsa says:
    @Prof Watson

    South Korea had 10,000 wu-wu virus cases and ONLY 250 DEATHS TOTAL. Hell, NY alone has already racked up 7000 wu-wu virus deaths with at least that many still to go……er depart. Anyone care to explain?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  49. @Rurik

    I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton would have been worse than Trump, but that’s not much consolation. I guess it’s the difference between being violently set upon with fangs in the neck, left lying in what’s left of your blood, and being sedated, strapped down, and slowly bled to death by a doctor who promised that he would cure all your ills. Not much of a choice.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  50. @JasonT

    Also, “We are flattening the curve,” No we are not, nature is flattening it as this virus cant find more hosts to invade and replicate.

  51. @jbwilson24

    I liked his articles for a brief time in the mid ’90s. He turned out to be just another beltway theme flogger. He’s still at it. It’s obvious that he doesn’t read anything much. Everything he writes is just rehashed TV crap.

  52. Wielgus says:
    @Rurik

    “And Trump only has contempt for us” – wow, rush out as one to give this Messiah your vote in November!

  53. MarkinPNW says:
    @Prof Watson

    Latitude? Californians can still get some vit. D in winter, NY at the higher latitude, not so much. Of course, with the coming of spring now even NY can start getting more vit. D.

  54. Wielgus says:
    @nsa

    There are any number of contradictions and anomalies in the statistics which may be bogus anyway. Why California is doing so much better than New York (better weather might be one explanation), why Germany is doing much better than other European countries of comparable population, even if Italy and Spain seem to have passed the worst, why the Balkan countries have had relatively few dead etc. (it surely is not due to the quality of their health services).
    It is tempting to conclude there are actually several strains and their lethality varies.

  55. Thomasina says:
    @jsinton

    Of course it’s a house of cards, but it’s been a house of cards since Greenspan first came on the scene.

  56. Thomasina says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Give it a rest! Your panties are showing under your cheerleader skirt.

  57. Thomasina says:
    @Realist

    There was very low unemployment but, you’re right, they weren’t great jobs. Mainly service industry. But you can’t blame Trump. He did the best he could with what he had to work with. Beginning in the 80’s, the good jobs were offshored.

    Globalization, cheered on by both the Left and Right, have gutted the country.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  58. @ThreeCranes

    Both of you is correct.However, is it really a revelation?
    Isn’t IT , rather obvious?I stated this 2 weeks ago and my
    comment wasn’t posted.From the start, some of us knew
    that FF after FF is the new paradigm and it’s going to get
    ugly.What do we expect when everybody is in charge of the
    me,me,me,disposable society. Mother Nature does not use
    gunpowder or projectiles.We had all better wake up and
    escape this mass delusion.Anybody see the movie Zardoz?
    “The only original sin is ignorance”Socrates
    Look what they did to him.It’s time,is it not?

    Peace,Love,Life

  59. @Bill H

    Biden doesn’t have much of a chance now. Picking Harris would make his chances far worse. And no socialist female would ever consider voting for Harris. Maybe a liberal female from California, but that is about it.

  60. Hail says: • Website

    Can he revive the economy without reviving the virus?

    All flu epidemics pass, and all available evidence suggests this one is not much worse than any other flu epidemic, with the exact same sort of person at risk as usual. There was no reason for any of this.

    Ron Paul had emerged decisively on the anti-CoronaPanic side; why won’t Pat Buchanan get off the fence?

  61. I don’t care two cents for Trump but the endless nit-picking media attacks on him are annoying me too. I mean, “real estate developer” is a term that in the real world is synonymous with “sleazy douchebag” but this is too much. The American people have a sense of fairness, and Trump’s not getting the benefit of the doubt, ever. And people who blabber so loudly about how much they love democracy have shown themselves unwilling to trust in the ability of our alleged democracy to limit the damage an incompetent voters’ choice can do. Instead there’s the endless call for removing him from the office he won, judicially, legally, or otherwise.

    Thomas Jefferson advised this in a 1798 letter regarding the election of his rival John Adams (the one neocon “historians” rehabilitate today), “A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the mean time we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war & long oppressions of enormous public debt. But who can say what would be the evils of a scission, and when & where they would end? . .. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, & then we shall have an opportunity of winning.”

    The biased media coverage today documents a power struggle among factions of the elite. Their concern is not how best to “provide for the common welfare” of the American people but how best to dominate the world. Unlike the America of 1798, none of these creatures is on our side. The majority of the electorate express their awareness of the con game by boycotting the elections, which is the only actual choice we have left.

  62. @Thomasina

    If you don’t count the many millions of working age American men who became so fed up with their inability to find a decent job that they left the official workforce, with many managing to find their way onto SSI and SS disability after their UC ran out, then the US HAD a “very low unemployment rate,” since only those currently receiving UC are counted.

    The “official” unemployment statistics are about as reliable as are the “official” stats on coronavirus deaths.

  63. And just how is Trump supposed to re-open the economy and get America back to work? It was the governors who closed the economy in the first place. The governors hold all the cards now.

  64. Ko says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Yes, thanks for that.

    The link I meant to post was a paper on Elsevier

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820

  65. @Rurik

    @Rurik,

    I hope this is not too far off topic from Buchanan’s essay, but have you heard of Roosh V? He is the former pick-up artist who wrote several books about how to score with women. About a year ago (maybe longer) he chucked all that and has converted to Armenian Orthodox Christianity. He now preaches against his former lifestyle.

    Anyway, he just produced a masterful video as to what this coronavirus “pandemic” is all about – “Coronavirus is Revolution.” It is very long, close to 5 hours, but I watched it all over the course of a few days. He is a very entertaining speaker, and it is the best synopsis I’ve seen to date of the underlying reasons for the unrelenting trauma we are going through today.

    As of yesterday it was still available on YouTube, but who is to say if it won’t be censored. He does have a website and you can also watch it there. I hope others who may read my comment will check it out too.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  66. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    slowly bled to death by a doctor who promised that he would cure all your ills

    Hard to argue with that analogy of the ((Trump administration))

    A few years ago in Austria, a ten year old Austrian boy was “brutally raped” at a public swimming pool by a Muslim immigrant from the Middle East. The boy was traumatized by the incident, and was inconsolable and considered suicidal.

    The man was tried and convicted and sentenced to 6(!) years. When the case went before the Austrian Supreme Court, the conviction was overturned on the (preposterous) rationale that the poor immigrant didn’t realize that the boy had not given his consent. The case was subsequently re-tried and the rapist was given 4(!) years.

    But the lesson here, is that the Austrian Supreme Court overturned a conviction for the brutal rape of a child, because the child was a white Austrian, (guilty racist Nazi), and the rapist was the true victim, as all people of color are – and especially victims of white, ethnic Austrians (Nazis).

    What they were saying with that Supreme Court decision, is that Austrian children deserve to be brutally raped by POC. And that when it happens, it’s understandable and forgivable. (perhaps, even laudable)

    Even Putin made a comment about the decision.

    “It doesn’t fit into my head what on earth they’re thinking over there. I can’t even explain the rationale – is it a sense of guilt before the migrants? What’s going on? It’s not clear. A society that cannot defend its children has no future”.[4]

    No Vlad, it isn’t ‘guilt before the migrants’. Nope. What it is, is what you get when you have a government that hates the people it represents with a searing, genocidal malevolence. A hatred so unholy, that they consider the rape of white children to be a fair comeuppance for all the racism (and homophobia and anti-Semitism and misogyny and xenophobia…) of the Austrian people. ‘That ten year old boy got what he deserved’ = Hitler was an Austrian!

    Here in the good ol’ ZUS of A, a black man shoots and kills an unarmed white man outside a bar, because another white man didn’t shake the black man’s hand after a game of pool that went bad.

    The black man was acquitted,

    because the defense said the guy who didn’t shake the defendants hand, did so because the man was black. Therefor, since the black man indirectly suffered ‘racism’ by a third man, it was justified for the black man to kill his white victim.

    Now, consider our lot in this country if Hillary would have stacked the SC with more of these..

    That’s right, our Second Amendment ‘rights’ would have been out the window by now. They’d be going house to house to collect the registered guns. Just like they did during Katrina, when people needed the guns most.

    If you’re white, you’d be considered de facto guilty. Just like the white fathers in Rotherham were arrested for racism, if they complained about their daughters being gang raped by first-class citizen POC.

    We already know that if you’re a black racist who goes into a bar and murders people with 12 gage shotgun blasts because they’re white..

    Hazel Tanis, died almost a month later, having been shot in the throat, stomach, intestine, spleen and left lung, and having had her arm shattered by shotgun pellets.

    They’ll overturn your conviction, (because of race) and then make Hollywood movies about you to glorify you as the real victim. (Hurricane Carter = black racist murderer glorified by Hollywood as a saint)

    Or consider the case of Kobe, an admitted rapist, whose death is treated as if he was the messiah himself. And why? Is all that homage and worship because he was a great basketball player, or because he “brutally” raped a white girl and got away with it, Scott free. ‘We’ve arrived!’

    What I’m saying is that white folks are already considered fair game to rape and murder, if you’re a black and claim ‘racism’ as a defense.

    We already know the Supreme Court has betrayed its fundamental principles by allowing Affirmative Action (a gross violation of every tenet of the Bill of Rights conceived – because it’s based on race, and fucking over whitey)

    Our State Dept. under Trump, has no problem with the whites of South Africa being told to hand over their farms without compensation.

    My point is that as bad as Trump is (and yes, he’s Bad), we haven’t even began to comprehend what it’s going to be like here when it goes full-blown Zimbabwe.

    Do you think the FBI under Hillary would protect the white folks of America from wholesale persecution, rape or murder?

    Look at what the Clintons did at Waco. They burned alive American citizens, including children, and then arrested the surviving victims and lied about it all, then patted each other on the back, gave the leaders of the raid huge promotions, and called it a day.

    Yes, Trump is an asshole.

    But really, really.. people simply have no idea how bad it would have been under the war hag.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @gsjackson
  67. MarkinLA says:
    @Rurik

    And Ginsburg won’t last 4 years so we need Trump to provide a buffer in the SC. Thomas will also be encouraged to retire giving Trump another replacement. However, the blacks will scream and finding a conservative black who is against hand-outs for minorities will be next to impossible. I doubt there are any blacks on that Federalist Society list.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  68. Eddy C. says:

    Moreover, it appears that some deaths being attributed to COVID-19 were caused by underlying conditions patients had

    Barbara Hartwell Vs. CIA

    ”Dr. Sherri Tenpenny obliterates the #CoronaPanic mass hysteria whipped up around this supposed new virus that is, according to mainstream media, the WHO, and gullible governments destined to decimate millions and destroy the world. Taking a close look at the testing being done and the numbers of deaths being reported, she details how the tests –nasal or throat swabs–are designed only to indicate a broad range of influenza viruses and are not in any way indicative of the presence of a particular SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    “Further, and as a consequence, the figures for both number of infected cases and deaths are necessarily FALSE. They have no way of testing for this virus, how can they add numbers to a list? In addition, the figures for the infections and deaths are far less than those for the flu, yearly, worldwide, and a host of other diseases. Finally, even the current figures note that 86% recover from this COVID-19 illness, while the 14% who don’t are found to have co-morbidities or underlying other illnesses, which takes us back to that issue of the number of deaths from this particular virus simply inevitably being wrongfully and falsely reported. ”

    From: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on Ramola D Reports: Current Tests Don’t Prove COVID-19–Mass Panic Should Stop
    [Emphasis is mine]

    http://barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/

  69. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    “Coronavirus is Revolution.”

    I’ve watched some of it, follyofwar. Thanks.

    I saw the part about AIDs, and I can attest that I remember the dishonest, media-generated hysteria. It was a manufactured crisis for Main Street America. A campaign of lies heaped upon lies, screeched and shouted into our popular culture like nothing I’d seen before.

    This is YOUR disease straight non-drug-using America!!!

    It was all horseshit.

    I don’t know how much Dr. Fauci had to do with that campaign of lies, (as Roosh suggests) but I would like to know how he was able to predict a surprise pandemic in our future in 2017.

  70. Rurik says:
    @MarkinLA

    the blacks will scream

    let em scream

    We’ve been coddling the black community in this country for generations, giving them everything they want, and all we get is ‘fuck you and die whitey’. Like the Jews, they’ll never be satisfied, and always demand more. If there’s a black man or woman in this country of exemplary charactor, that has risen above their tribalism, and can honor their sworn oath to uphold the Constitution with objectivity, then by all means appoint them. But like you, I suspect that blacks that can look past skin color, are as rare as honest politicians.

    Thomas Sowell might be that rare exception.

  71. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik, I guess I should seize on any extraordinarily rare opportunity to disagree with you (while strongly agreeing with the great majority of this comment). I tried to engage with you on Kobe on the Sailor thread, but you never returned to the scene.

    I wouldn’t call him an “admitted rapist.” His public statement as the matter was being settled was that he considered consent ambiguous at the time, less so in retrospect. The woman never went public with her version of things. He didn’t get off “scot-free.” She was paid millions of dollars.

    But more off base, you claimed in the Sailor thread that he “never said anything of consequence,” just as the testimonials began pouring in about the extraordinary influence he had on people because of his unusual willingness to share what he had learned from his experiences. One example is the top women’s college basketball player in the country, a white girl named Ionescu, who knew him well. She said his influence was so profound that she would spend the rest of her life fulfilling the mission he instilled in her. He was, it seemed, the great athlete most inclined to try to teach and inspire.

    Hell, he even said something of consequence for me. I was thinking about going to Croatia in 2012 to get orthokine, a cutting edge treatment for knee arthritis caused by sports injuries, and pulled the trigger after hearing Kobe say he had gotten it on the advice of what he said were ear-to-the-ground, on-the-cutting-edge sources. (It worked for about a year; now I have a fake knee).

    I’m not saying Kobe was an exemplar, but he reputedly spoke four languages and to all appearances seemed like someone who thought deeply about things, and worked hard putting the thoughts into action. And by all accounts he became an exemplary family man after the rape allegation. You can’t just lump him into the predatory thug category.

    Remember, blacks aren’t the enemy. Blacks are just the canary in the societal coal mine that is being dynamited. The enemy is the people who on the one hand say “diversity is our strength,” and on the other encourage bitter racial hostility directed against whites. I think you know who ((they)) and their cucks are.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  72. But really, really.. people simply have no idea how bad it would have been under the war hag.

    Hillary would have started WWIII, followed by IV, V, and VI, if anyone were left standing. I remember the Clintons, and if evil exists, they are evil. I also remember Waco and Ruby Ridge, and I understand the hatred of whites that they hold and foster in others.

    The list heinous black on white rapes and murders is long, with many infamous cases, and I think it is fair to say that the violence is encouraged, excused, and covered up by our elites. The injustices and double standards are too many to list. The link below is about an incident that happened not too far from where I grew up, and I remember it well.

    https://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/snipers-on-the-roof-new-georgia-sheriff-raising-eyebrows-for/article_5992f6bb-feb1-5aeb-b597-c07044ce52f6.html

    I think it is likely that Trump has avoided WWIII, which is a real accomplishment, since everyone else seemed to want it. Still, I don’t see Trump doing much more than slowing down the rush to disaster.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  73. BenKenobi says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Hello Homer? This is God… free Roberts of the alt-media webzine The Unz Review.

  74. botazefa says:
    @follyofwar

    A pragmatic reason is that hospitals bills are guaranteed to be reimbursed by the Feds for every death CAUSED BY Corona. So, if some who die in hospital from other causes are without insurance, they will have to eat those costs. Thus hospitals are incentivized to list those deaths as due to Corona, even if that is not the reason, if they want to be paid

    I’m not challenging what you are claiming, but do you happen to have a citation?

  75. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    the Sailor thread, but you never returned to the scene.

    I can’t stand the way Sailor treats his forum like a petty little fiefdom. If he doesn’t fully appove of what you’ve posted, he acts like a little playground dickhead and say’s ‘it’s my ball, I say what goes or I’m not letting anyone play’.

    I’ve dabbled there a couple of times, but if I post something he doesn’t agree with, he doesn’t publish it until it’s so far up the page that no one will see it. His petty version of censoring anything he personally doesn’t like. A petty little fascist bully with self-esteem (ego) issues.

    I wouldn’t call him an “admitted rapist.” His public statement as the matter was being settled was that he considered consent ambiguous at the time, less so in retrospect. The woman never went public with her version of things. He didn’t get off “scot-free.” She was paid millions of dollars.

    He raped her.

    At first he lied and said there was no sex. Then when they told him they had evidence, it turned into ‘it was consensual’. She bled genitally from the encounter. Generally, women who consent to sex and are in an amorous mood, don’t bleed genitally from sex.

    His public statement as the matter was being settled was that he considered consent ambiguous at the time, less so in retrospect.

    “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.”

    That’s how it works? How convenient.

    I’m not a sports fan. I admire the abilities of athletes and watch sports from time to time, but the hero-worship of many sports fans for their sports idols is an alien phenomenon for me. I have my heroes, like Ron Paul or James Watson; (of the DNA molecule) , [even.. dare I say, Ron Unz?]

    But guys like OJ Simpson, who was a spectacular athlete and football player, are for me, basically just guys who can run fast and jump high. (Pele was amazing, I must say ; )

    But OJ Simpson was acquitted of (brutal) murders, not because he was a great athlete and celebrity, but because he was those things and black too.

    That’s the reason it took decades to convict serial rapist Bill Cosby, not because he was a funny celebrity, but because on top of those, he was a black icon.

    Just as Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to continue his rape spree, because he was a connected Jewish supremacist. With the emphasis on Jew.

    Please consider, what would have happened to a white celebrity sports star if they raped a teenage black girl. (has it ever happened?) Whereas I wonder if a black sports stars, college or pro, don’t rape at least a few girls every week in this country, only to be hushed up with ‘out-of-court settlements when the girls have the courage to come forward. If there’s a conviction, the ((media)) of course, will hush it up.

    I’m not a fan of forcible rape in any circumstances. (I say forcible rape, because I don’t believe holding the door for a feminist is actually rape). But drugging a woman, and then having sex with her, is rape. And so is forcing yourself on a teenage girl in a hotel room, once she’s made it clear that ‘flirting with a sports mega-star, was one thing, but getting in his Jacuzzi, or having sex with him, was absolutory not in the cards, until he took it. Against her will.

    This is one of the first things you see on the page when you do an Internet search.

    https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/kobe-bryant-rape-case/

    It seems like a fair account.

    She was paid millions of dollars.

    Let me ask you gsjackson, why would he pay her ‘millions of dollars’, if he was innocent?

    He had already been accused of rape. If he was innocent, then he would have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by going to court to prove his innocence and clear his name. He had near unlimited resources. The best Jewish defense lawyers in the country would probably have represented him free. But considering that he could pay too!, well then there’d be no dearth of legal representation on Kobe’s side, that’s for certain.

    The tenor in the nation was that she was a gold-digging whore. Already the her small town authorities had betrayed her with the courts leaking all her information, including confidential DNA tests to the media. I remember guys I knew calling her a whore and a liar, without a shred of evidence. Other than what seemed to me like ‘Kobe worship’.

    If it wasn’t a slam-dunk case of clear forcible rape, he’d have gone to trial.

    you claimed in the Sailor thread that he “never said anything of consequence,”

    from your post, it sounds like the ‘thing of consequence’ he said to you led to a fake knee.

    I’m sure he had all kinds of PR people doing and saying all kinds of things, and no doubt he did do and say some fine things. I’m not saying he was a monster across the board, all I’m saying is that he got away with rape, not because he was a great athlete, because he was black, and his victim was white. And if you’d have reversed the races, it would not have been treated the same way. Hardly.

    You can’t just lump him into the predatory thug category.

    If he took the sex by force, (and it looks like he did), then.. how did you put it?

    “I guess I should seize on any extraordinarily rare opportunity to disagree with you”

    Exactly!

    I don’t care how many baskets he’s made, or PR announcements or white girls he’s inspired.

    If he forcibly raped another person against their will, then yes, he’s just another predatory thug. In my book. White or black or whatever.

    Remember, blacks aren’t the enemy. Blacks are just the canary in the societal coal mine that is being dynamited.

    In a post just above our conversation, I just suggested that someone like Thomas Sowell might be suitable for the Supreme Court. I’ve lived a large part of my life working and living alongside blacks. I know blacks, both good and bad, and consider them one of the most tragic victims of the tribe. Most of them live every single minute of their lives in racial resentment, or even often, down-right hatred. What a way to go though life, feeling raging hatred and simmering with bile, as life passes by. I don’t have to tell you or anyone how the media has stoked racial hatred for black against whites. I recently posted about Hurricane Carter, a black racist murderer who used a shotgun to butcher white people, because they were white. (and again, he had legions of white sports fans and Jewish supremacists defending him). But the people close to the case, all know he was guilty. And, i suspect the Jews who made the Hollywood movie about him being another victims of white racism, also all knew he was guilty. And that makes it all the more entertaining for them, to make a movie about him as the victim.

    But the point is, what that does to the black community, when you watch a movie about yet another ‘innocent’ black man being railroaded by a white racist system?

    It creates hatred. Murderous, seething hatred. And that’s the point. That’s what Jewish supremacists do!

    It’s their calling card.

    Bernie Sanders went to Flint, MI (where most people, black and white) are poor. And he told the assembled crowd that white people do not know what poverty and police brutality are like.

    That sack of shit flew from his lily white multi-million dollar home (whichever one out of several), and dropped into one of the most blighted cities in the country, to create as much racial hatred and strife and murderous tension as the Jew was able to do.

    It’s the same with Hollywood and all across the board in our Jewish supremacist controlled culture.

    Where we could all live happily, and in relative harmony, if they weren’t so God damn demonic in their eternal hatred for mankind. And that includes whites and blacks and everyone else.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  76. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Obviously I agree wholeheartedly with your characterization of the Clintons, (with the caveat that I consider the rapist and treasonous war criminal Bill Clinton, to be a saint compared to Hillary).

    Still, I don’t see Trump doing much more than slowing down the rush to disaster.

    That’s exactly how I see it.

    But just imagine if the Kulaks were given four years to prepare for what was going to happen?

    Imagine if the white farmers of Zimbabwe could have been given four (or eight!) years to prepare for the inevitable.

    That’s where we’re at. What’s coming is coming. There’s little to nothing any of us can do about it, except try to stave off the inevitable for as long as possible, so that we can plan and implement an escape rout. While educating as many of us as we can, so that they too can plan.

    If you’re in your seventies or eighties or older, then hopefully you’ll never see what’s coming, but if you’re young, then God speed to you in getting out. And I’m not talking about Canada, where the situation is even worse. I’m talking about South America as the most realistic place for white Americans to seek sanctuary from the Beast.

    Trump has bought us some time, that’s all. But it is precious time.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  77. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    I don’t know what happened in that Colorado hotel room. I assume it was unsavory and probably illegal. I can imagine how consent issues can get muddied in the case of these celebrity athletes, black and white, who have women constantly throwing themselves at them. A low point for Kobe Bryant, for sure, but I don’t think he’s your exhibit A of black thugs unleashed on a vulnerable white female populace.

    Nor is O.J. Simpson. I do know, beyond ALL doubt, what happened in his criminal trial — he was acquitted because he was clearly innocent of the charges, and for no other reason. I watched much of that trial from the vantage point of someone practicing criminal law at the time and somewhat familiar with police methods, and have recently refreshed my memory of the evidence with written accounts. There is also a good series of videos on youtube about what really happened — ojsimpson.co. That jury was out three hours after a nine-month trial for one reason only — it was an obvious not guilty verdict, and had been obvious before the defense even began their presentation.

    If you want to go chapter and verse on the evidence that actually came into the trial rather than the tabloids, I’m ready to rock on that (though RU would probably place limitations on the extent of such a digression). Or you can passively accept the verdict of the corporate media that lie to you about everything 24/7/365. They didn’t like the police malfeasance story line, much preferred Othello flying into a rit of fealous jage (as Inspector Clousseau satirized the hoary old motive) and slaughtering a white woman. So they stopped covering the trial and started covering Marcia Clark’s press conferences. She started trying her case in the media when it became obvious about half way through the trial that she had lost the jury.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Rurik
  78. gsjackson says:
    @gsjackson

    BTW, Rurik: Flint, MI is Joe Sobran’s home town.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  79. @Rurik

    I’ve often seen Hillary portrayed as some sort of idealist who was corrupted by the system, and that portrayal only came about when the corruption started to become too obvious to ignore. Is Bill really a saint in comparison? I don’t know. Hillary saw something in Bill, and covered and stuck with a rapist for some reason. I don’t buy the claim that she stayed with him because she saw potential. I imagine both of them having eyes that turn black when they are enraged or about to do something awful. She’s probably more desperate and ambitious, and maybe more ruthless, but probably no more black hearted.

    I’m not sure what makes them tick. Why are they so willing to destroy white America? Where does the hatred and willingness to act come from? They aren’t naive snowflakes viewing events from way outside.

    I don’t see much of a future for this country, and I don’t know where to go, or what country would give me a safe haven. I have a family, so the dilemma is real to me. Fortunately, my wife is starting to come around.

    Meanwhile, a young white girl I’m my hometown was recently murdered by an illegal alien as part of an MS-13 initiation. That’ll likely get less media attention than the lynching of Leo Frank that took place in the same town over 100 years ago. The last time I visited home, the local theater group advertised a play about the lynching of Leo Frank. My guess is that nobody will mention the killing of a white girl by an illegal alien as part of a gang initiation. And to think that many whites just think that the biggest injustice about their coming minority status is that they will not get minority set asides and preferences. What planet are they living on?

    • Replies: @Trebitch
    , @Rurik
  80. Trebitch says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    You don’t have much time.
    Somewhat OT, but important. We had seventy years of communism to illustrate the failure of economic planning. Now our politicians think they can plan the shutdown of economic life with no unintended consequences.
    Breakdown in food supply chain is coming:

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238925

    Hysterical, moronic imbecility is the chief virtue today.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  81. Saggy says: • Website
    @Rurik

    And Trump only has contempt for us

    Trump’s contempt is not the problem, he is a tool of ghouls from hell who want to destroy us, that is the problem.

    • Agree: Rurik
  82. @Trebitch

    I noticed in the store the other day that Smithfield products are much cheaper than other products all of a sudden. I don’t know why that would be, but it rang a bell when I read the article you posted.

    Nothing much is happening where I live that would justify killing the economy. For all I know, we’re about to get the kulak treatment.

  83. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    I can imagine how consent issues can get muddied in the case of these celebrity athletes, black and white, who have women constantly throwing themselves at them. A low point for Kobe Bryant, for sure, but I don’t think he’s your exhibit A of black thugs unleashed on a vulnerable white female populace.

    As a healthy young (at one time) red-blooded American (white – it actually helps in some places ; ) tourist in a Third World country, there are many situations where the young women go out of their way to ‘throw themselves’ at you. It can get down-right ‘Trumpian’, only in reverse.

    But even so, there is a very hard line between accommodating a woman’s interest, and taking her physically by force.

    And, I’m convinced much of his ‘hero’ worship today in the black community, is because he raped a white girl, and got away with it. Just like the way they treated Hurricane Carter like a hero.

    Were it not for the rape, I agree that he was far from the ‘thug’ profile, but with the rape, par for the course.

    Nor is O.J. Simpson. I do know, beyond ALL doubt, what happened in his criminal trial — he was acquitted because he was clearly innocent of the charges, and for no other reason.

    LOL

    obvious before the defense even began their presentation.

    I’ll give you this, you stick to your views, in spite of 99% of the world’s people (myself included ; ) seeing it differently.

    Or you can passively accept the verdict of the corporate media that lie to you about everything 24/7/365.

    I don’t want to go ‘chapter and verse’ over the trial, but my opinions had nothing to do with the courtroom farce or the media hype. I watched the iconic white Bronco chase as it was happening. He had a wig and some cash and I think there was a gun in the truck. Some guy was f-ing OJ’s exwife, and the dude had already beaten her silly more than once.

    Like most dispassionate and objective people (I had no dog in the hunt), I consider his guilt obvious, (where’s the real killer? No one cares because everyone knows he did it ; )

    But I will say I was laughing, literally at the verdict. I loved seeing white America get it wiped all over their hypocritical, Negro-worshiping faces. White America, you see- were the ones who tossed my generation of young, poor white men, under the racial-spoils / Affirmative Action bus.

    That has always meant a good ol ‘fuck you, back’ to the hypocrisy of establishment America, and their smug posturing as if they were decent people in good standing, because they had mollified the rage of urban black America, by sacrificing us, working class white men from Heartland America.

    The OJ verdict was a nice ‘fuck you’ to that entire dishonest culture of smug.

    I loved seeing the blacks all jubilant, and especially the crying indignant faces of white America, just like when Hillary lost. Schadenfreude so deliciously, delectably sweet!

    ‘Own it’ bitches’. Ha ha ha. Was how I felt at the time. (and still do ; )

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  84. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    Flint, MI is Joe Sobran’s home town.

    I’ve been there. I have some ties to Flint and the surrounding area, but I haven’t been there in a very long time.

    (I do however, remember seeing the Flint river long ago, and you were struck by the chemical-like, petroleum smell. A meandering flow of dead, brown sludge. Nothing living in it. Not a turtle or minnow or anything.

    When I heard they decided to use it for Flint’s drinking water, I wasn’t too surprised. From the GM executives, to auto unions, to the corrupt politicians, there’s been more greed and stupidity in Flint, than most places are ‘blessed’ with these days.

  85. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    I’m not sure what makes them tick. Why are they so willing to destroy white America? Where does the hatred and willingness to act come from?

    I’m convinced that it was out of vanity that Woodrow Wilson sold out his nation and people and doomed us all, because it made him feel good about himself to be treated like a ‘powerful and important man’. No doubt with fulsomely heaped paeans to his ‘greatness’ and ‘genius’ by (((those around him))) – using Wilson like their dog on a leash, with pats on the head. ‘Good doggy, good doggy’.

    (deepstate lapdog) Dr. Fauci to Hillary: … “please tell her I love her more than ever”?… “Please tell her that we all love her and are very proud to know her.”

    The part of the video I like best, it when Pacino says, ‘and then it hits you, you gotta pay your own way’. Because that moment when the human pig realized he’s going to cash in his chips, is for me like Hillary must have felt on Nov. 21, 2016

    I don’t see much of a future for this country, and I don’t know where to go, or what country would give me a safe haven. I have a family, so the dilemma is real to me. Fortunately, my wife is starting to come around.

    I think this is what a lot of people are thinking right now.

    Uruguay is offering residency to people with some money to invest. I’ve never been to Uruguay, but I’d like to check it out. It seems to have a lot of good things going for it, but so does Argentina or even Panama. Lots of places in South America that are still sane. I’d suggest making a trek there with some like-minded people to check it all out, and then if it resonates with you, you can make the arrangements over time, like renting a small farm house, and moving in one of the older children to live there and get things set up, even if only as a ‘bug-out’ place to go to. Americans are generally cajoled by our ((media)) to feel like foreign countries are dangerous and hostile. Often the very opposite of the truth, where I find them pleasant and hospitable. Not Iraq, but certainly places like Costa Rica, and many others.

    And to think that many whites just think that the biggest injustice about their coming minority status is that they will not get minority set asides and preferences.

    Just the opposite. Once whitey was a dwindling minority in Miami Dade county, then the Hispanics and blacks and Jews that run the county went in overdrive with Affirmative Action, to make sure no white contractor ever did business with the School Board or county, if it could be avoided. Being a minority, (or poor or disadvantaged) are not why whitey is officially fucked over by the state and universities and all our cultural institutions and churches and socity in general. No. The reason he’s officially fucked over, is because he’s white. And therefor a racist. And the only thing that will ever cure a white person from their congenital racism, is when they’re blended out of existence for eternity. Mazel tov!

    When whitey becomes powerless in the ZUS, people will wish they had gotten out.

    When it happened in Zimbabwe, and soon to be South Africa, most nations will not give the white people sanctuary. They’re not refugees from murderous blacks, rather they’re ‘racists’ who’re getting what they deserve.

  86. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Like virtually everybody else who accepts the MSM’s (by which I mean to include the tabloids as well as the so-called respectable press) account of the Simpson trial, you don’t know what you’re talking about, starting with the very well documented physical encounters with his ex-wife. There were none after a rather ambiguous set-to in 1989 (the black eye picture), five years before the murders, as she attested herself in the divorce proceeding. And I assume you saw the wig and cash in the Bronco? Funny it wasn’t entered into evidence. WTF? Do you think they found bloody clothes in his washing machine too? The tabloids reported that.

    I don’t doubt you have better things to do than go chapter and verse over the evidence, but be clear that one reason you don’t want to is you don’t know any of it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  87. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    you don’t know any of it.

    You’ve got me on that.

    I know very little about the details. I barely watched the courtroom farce. I did see the white Bronco going down the freeway with the cop cars following, and I assumed right then and there, that he probably did something wrong, if he was refusing to pull over with gobs of cop cars following him.

    I will say this gsjackson, you’re the only one I’ve ever ‘met’ who actually believes in his innocence.

    So we don’t have to go chapter and verse, but if you wanted to just give us the important and overlooked evidence of his innocence, then by all means. I’m open minded. If it turns out he was innocent, then that would be some shocking news.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  88. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    OK. First of all, the cops didn’t pull the Bronco over because Simpson had a gun pointed at his own head. The cops were on the phone to the Bronco trying to talk him out of the suicide foreshadowed in the note he left (in which he said he had nothing to do with the murders). He obviously wasn’t trying to escape. I won’t go into the day of his arrest any further than to say that the prosecution did not deem the events as overall favorable to their case, given that they didn’t enter them into evidence. So many of you seem to consider that day as demeanor evidence clearly proving guilt, while there was considerable other demeanor evidence, all favorable to Simpson, including a video of jovial OJ yukking it up with the Browns at the dance recital where he was supposed to be falling into a murderous rage, according to the prosecution’s theory.

    So just the highlights. The timeline — pick one: the prosecution’s in the criminal trial, which was contradicted by eight of nine eye and ear witnesses at the murder scene, and Marcia Clark tried to divest herself of in closing arguments by bumping up Kato Kaelin’s testimony 10 minutes, aka by lying. Or do you prefer that of the plaintiffs in the civil trial, which accepted the eight witnesses and left Simpson with a 25-minute window in which he dispatched two young, fit victims in a brutal bloodbath of a struggle that the two most renowned criminalists in the country said took a minimum of five minutes and likely closer to 15, then strolled casually back to the scene for a time, drove the six minutes to his place after first heading out in the opposite direction, arrived at his residence unnoticed by the limo driver, hopped the fence, hid his clothes and the murder weapon(s) (the coroner who actually examined the bodies testified at the prelim. hearing that there were probably two knives used; he was disappeared for the main trial) so successfully that the largest search for artifacts in the history of American law enforcement (even the Boy Scouts were enlisted) couldn’t unearth them, showers up and heads off to Chicago as if nothing had happened? The timeline essentially alibied Simpson, and that’s what the jury in the criminal trial was clearly focused on.

    The crime scene, which the investigating officers left without examining to go over to Simpson’s at the behest of an officer no longer on the case who previously had sued the LAPD for turning him into a racist and bragged about screwing Simpson’s wife. Among the things these geniuses left uninvestigated: blood and flesh under Nicole’s fingernails that didn’t match Simpson’s so of no interest, blood on her back, blood caked all over the car keys that Ronald Goldman clearly used as a defensive weapon — not even tested, 17 fingerprints that didn’t match Simpson or anybody who lived in the household, footprints going away from the scene in two different directions.

    The “trail of blood.” Bear in mind that the “mountain of evidence” against Simpson consisted entirely — and I do mean entirely — of less than a teaspoonful of blood, all of it collected, kept custody of and presented into evidence by the LAPD. The “trail” — blood on the gatepost at the murder scene, inside the Bronco, and on a sock in Simpson’s bedroom — was discovered weeks and months after the preliminary hearing in which the prosecution discovered that they didn’t have squat (for God’s sake they led it off, with the whole world watching to see what they had, with evidence that Simpson had recently purchased a knife, a knife that was sitting in Simpson’s kitchen still in its original packaging, i.e., not the murder weapon). The blood “evidence” was clearly planted. Blood on the gatepost — unseen originally by investigators, when “found” weeks after the murders it had vastly more DNA in it than the blood collected hours after the murders. It had EDTA in it, suggesting it was part of Simpson’s blood sample given to the cops and removed by Detective VanAtter. Blood in the Bronco — not testified to by VanAtter or Fuhrman in either their warrant request or the preliminary hearing. The Bronco was kept open to anyone who wanted to get into it without logging in (including a thief who did break into it). The bloody sock — not found at all in the original investigation, when produced the LAPD’s own criminalists didn’t see any blood on it originally, and the blood, once evident, had clearly been applied by setting the sock down on a flat surface because it had soaked through to both sides.

    The fact that Simpson had no marks on him indicative of having been in a brutal death struggle. The bruises on his hands indicate Ron Goldman, a fit 27-year-old, landed many blows and scraped away skin with his keys, and Nicole apparently put up a struggle too. Please don’t tell me about the cut on Simpson’s hand. If any fact was proven beyond all doubt at the trial it’s that he got that cut in Chicago. Six eyewitnesses saw his hands right after the murders — no cuts, no bandages. The next day a fresh cut was evident to three more witnesses.

    There are a thousand little holes in the case against Simpson, starting with the profiling. How many middle aged celebrity millionaires with a comfortable life and no history of using weapons have committed murder with a knife? And shortly after coming off the golf course. Get back to me if you find one in American history. If I set out for you the narrative the prosecution asked the jury to believe, with all its inconsistencies, you’d find it laughable.

    The trial wasn’t a farce. It was an entire education in American criminal law, and featured some stellar lawyering. Barry Scheck’s evisceration of the LAPD crime lab turned Dennis Fung into a Stockholm Syndrome victim. After several excruciating days on the stand, he went to shake the hands of all defense attorneys present when he finished. The trial could have been completed in three months rather than nine, but the prosecution needed to play pretend they had a mountain of evidence. As Johnny Cochran noted, if you asked them the time they’d tell you how to make a watch.

    The only three people I know who followed the evidence in the Simpson trial — all very intelligent — believe that he is innocent. Everybody else just L’sOL, because they know for a fact he’s guilty. The media told them so.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  89. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    Thank you for your reply, gsjackson,

    Everybody else just L’sOL, because they know for a fact he’s guilty. The media told them so.

    my sincere apologies if I was in any way rude or dismissive.

    Let me ask you, was the fact (apparently) that OJ had a gun to his head during the Bronco chase mentioned at the trial?

    I would think that’d be salient testimony, no?

    As for the incompetence (and worse) of the LA police, I have no quarrel, I remember at the time, seeing what I did, the one cop perjuring himself on the stand, at a time when the whole world was watching, and this was his moment to shine. And instead he demonstrated that he too, like so many others, ways just a lying POS.

    Why not just say, ‘sure, I’ve used the ‘n’ word, in a context that isn’t the least bit pejorative. As in ‘that guy called him a nigger’. Are all cops supposed to be so politically correct that they’d choke on the word, rather than use it in context?

    Anyways, I appreciate your passionate defense of OJ, and perhaps you’re right.

    But some things I’ve heard, like OJ could not have overpowered those healthy young people at his age, doesn’t ring true to me. A professional football player, even past his prime, is no match for a typical (even healthy and buff) twenty-something year old. They are the best of the best, when it comes to overpowering others.

    I’ll continue to keep an open mind, when it comes to OJ’s guilt or innocence, and hopefully I won’t come across again as rude, if I did.

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  90. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Not rude, just a media-conditioned response found in 90 percent of white Americans. It’s kind of amusing because it’s always activated in such an aggressive manner, though they don’t have the slightest idea what they’re talking about. Amusing, but a little scary when comtemplating how easily the American Pravda can lead the citizenry over a cliff.

    Like I said, the prosecution chose not to enter into evidence the events of the day Simpson was arrested, for whatever reason. It’s certainly reasonable to say that being suicidal is consistent with guilt, though it wouldn’t have been a suicide of the guilt-purging vintage because he said in the note that he had nothing to do with the murders. It’s also consistent with having a life of American royalty turned upside down instantly — he got off the airplane and was put in handcuffs as soon as he got home — and facing the prospect of months in jail and spending your entire fortune on legal fees, leaving nothing for your children. The culmination of four days of sleeplessness, mental agitation and, no doubt, much medication. Possibly also consistent with a bit of guilt about having introduced a woman he loved to a netherworld of drugs and accompanying crimes that got her killed — as some informed speculation has it. In any event, as I said it’s demeanor evidence, which is low on the evidence totem pole, and all other demeanor evidence cut in favor of innocence.

    Non-pejorative? The Fuhrman tapes? “All niggers should be rounded up and killed.” “Anything out of a nigger’s mouth the first five or six minutes is a fucking lie.” Judge Ito managed to find the two most innocuous statements of the 42 to be played for the jury. Among those he found to be too prejudicial was a statement about police planting evidence — “that shit happens all the time” — that went directly to the defense theory of the case.

    Fuhrman was a head case and a bad dude, and Fox ought to be ashamed of themselves for giving him a platform of respectability. But the trial was over long before the defense got around to impeaching his testimony, which I’m sure came as no surprise to the jury. Media wisdom says that was the whole trial — Furhman used the n-word, ergo a racist, the race card was played and the jury felt at liberty to exercise jury nullification. That’s just nonsense, though almost every white American believes it.

    Fuhrman isn’t even necessary for a defense account of what happened. He almost certainly did plant the glove, but it could easily have been tossed on to Simpson’s estate by the killers — ‘hey, I’ve just offed OJ Simpson’s wife, so I’ll leave one at the scene and one at his property.’ Makes more sense than Simpson carelessly leaving both of them in his wake — which constitued evidence more conveniently laid out than all these veteran lawyers and investigators had ever seen before.

    No, you don’t even need Fuhrman. The “trail of blood” was planted by Detective VanAtter — son of the American heartland and the very face of evil banality — for the most banal of reasons. He jumped the gun and made a bad arrest in the most watched criminal case in history, so instead of re-opening the investigation he just covered his miserable, cowardly butt by fabricating evidence.

    Check it out if you ever get some time:

    https://ojsimpson.co/mark-fuhrman-tapes-documentary/

    Uh, I suppose Simpson could have overpowered 19-years-younger Ron Goldman, though he was known more for speed and elusiveness than power. He did have arthritic knees and hands, in fact it was rheumatoid arthritis, according to his doctor. But God why would he want to? The torpor experienced by a middle-aged ex-athlete with arthritic joints who finishes up 18 holes of golf is substantial, as I can attest to personally. I suppose it could be overcome by emotion-driven adrenaline, but where did it come from? The prosecution abandoned its efforts to establish a motive — the rit of fealous jage — because it was clearly going nowhere.

    And there’s that inconvenient demeanor evidence. After the dance recital, where he was cordial and jovial, there was a trip to McDonalds with his buddy Kato, nothing unusual, then several phone calls, all a matter of phone company records. There were a couple of calls to his girlfriend. One to a former Oakland Raiders cheerleader, another to a mystery woman he was apparently trying to recruit into some tryst. He chatted for several minutes with a buddy. Then he called his daughter Sydney to congratulate her on the dance performance, neglecting to mention that he would be over in about 45 minutes to slaughter her mother. Sounds like he was able to tamp down the adrenaline of murderous rage, or at least appear to.

    I appreciate you keeping an open mind. A question: Do you think whoever’s blood was under Nicole’s fingernails and on her back might have had something to do with her murder?

  91. Rurik says:

    Like I said, the prosecution chose not to enter into evidence the events of the day Simpson was arrested, for whatever reason.

    Hence my characterization of the trial as a farce. The events of the day were, as far as I’m concerned, probably one, if not the main, indications of his guilt. Not considering it during the trial, was such an egregious case of courtroom malfeasance, that I had to laugh at the rest of the proceedings.

    he said in the note that he had nothing to do with the murders.

    didn’t he have children? Isn’t that the obvious thing to say if you have children?

    having a life of American royalty turned upside down instantly —

    you sound sympathetic, whereas I consider most of ‘American royalty/elites, as lower than slime.

    Fuhrman tapes? “All niggers should be rounded up and killed.”

    Do you have a link? I looked for that quote and couldn’t find it.

    Fox ought to be ashamed of themselves for giving him a platform of respectability.

    I totally agree.

    race card was played and the jury felt at liberty to exercise jury nullification.

    I remember Geraldo interviewing a black woman at the time, and Geraldo was quite taken aback when the woman said ‘even if he did it, he needs to go free. We don’t need no more black men in prison, and he has children’. Or something to that effect. I don’t remember the words verbatim, but she did say that even it OJ was guilty, he should go free.

    The “trail of blood” was planted by Detective VanAtter —

    I never saw the evidence for that. Could you please provide a link?

    The prosecution abandoned its efforts to establish a motive — the rit of fealous jage — because it was clearly going nowhere.

    also

    Do you think whoever’s blood was under Nicole’s fingernails and on her back might have had something to do with her murder?

    was it ever mentioned in the court room (farce ; ) ?

    Cheers

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  92. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Well, make of the events of the day Simpson was arrested what you want. I found the nine months of evidence in the trial that followed much more relevant. I’m pretty certain that if the prosecution had thought it would help them it would have come into evidence. Apparently for you, and from what I can determine for many others, it was completely dispositive of the question of guilt or innocence.

    I admit my efforts to explain why the “trail of blood” — blood on the gatepost, blood in the Bronco, blood on the sock “found” in Simpson’s bedroom — was clearly planted was poorly written and perhaps unreadable. Let me try again with bullet points.

    * This evidence was not “noticed” until weeks and months after the murder, despite the venues in which it was “found” having been thoroughly investigated right after the murders.

    * The blood on the gatepost had a preservative in it, suggesting it was part of the blood sample Simpson gave police about 16 hours after the murder. In an extraordinary departure from standard procedure, that sample was carried around by Det. VanAtter for hours before being logged in as evidence, after which 15 percent of it was missing. Van Atter also had in his possession blood of the victims.

    * The blood on the gatepost had considerably more DNA in it than the blood samples taken from the scene just hours after the murder. Having been collected weeks later, being degraded in the sun and elements every day, it should have had much less. But then, it had a preservative in it. Maybe Simpson was drinking EDTA regularly — joke.

    * The blood on the console of the Bronco was apparently quite noticeable when “found” more than two months after the murders. But neither Fuhrman nor VanAtter, who had entered the vehicle, mentioned it in their highly problematic request for a warrant to search Simpson’s property, or at the preliminary hearing. Fuhrman went over the wall before they even got the warrant, which by all precedent didn’t merit being granted, based on what they set out in the request (a tiny speck of some sort of blood, human or animal, on the outside of the vehicle). If they had more they would have put it in the request and attested to it at the preliminary hearing.

    * The bloody sock wasn’t captured on a police video taken of Simpson’s bedroom for insurance purposes right after the murders. Then when it did materialize the LAPD’s criminalist didn’t notice any blood on it. The blood, clearly visible during the trial, had soaked through to both sides, which is rather unlikely if it had attached to a sock with a foot and leg in it. The blood clearly had been applied when the sock was set down on a flat surface.

    The link you want is to the trial transcript. Sorry, the evidence of the trial is not capsulized anywhere online. Some books do a pretty thorough accounting of the evidence. Two I have relied on are American Tragedy: The Uncensored Story of the Simpson Defense and Killing Time: The First Full Investigation. The latter was where I learned I learned about the blood under Nicole’s fingernails. I watched a lot of the trial, but had a job and couldn’t watch it all, so I don’t know if that fact came into evidence. If it was the case, I can’t even imagine the defense wouldn’t highlight it when cross examining the crime scene witnesses.

    “All the niggers should be rounded up and killed” was not on the Fuhrman tapes. It was the testimony of Kathleen Bell, another witness lined up to impeach Fuhrman. But the impeachment testimony was inconsequential. He pleaded the Fifth Amendment to every question in his second appearance, in other words saying to the court and nation, ‘I’m a liar.’

    So you think the opinion of a random black woman that Simpson shouldn’t be comvicted even if guilty reflects the mind set of a jury that Ito said was the most diligent and conscientious he had ever dealt with? Makes about as much sense as deciding a nine-month trial on the basis of demeanor evidence four days after the crime.

    I’ve got to say, I really don’t know what UR is any more. Time to go elsewhere.

  93. Rurik says:

    Time to go elsewhere.

    gsjackson,

    What a thing to say. Just because we disagree on the guilt or innocence of OJ Simpson, is no reason to flip over the chess board. You’re a great boon to this site, even if we occasionally disagree.

    What fun would it be if everyone agreed on everything? There’d be no point to a place like UR.

    Anyways, I hope you reconsider.

    Cheers.

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