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Was the assassination of JFK by Lee Harvey Oswald still getting as much media coverage three weeks after his death as it did that first week after Nov. 22, 1963? Not as I recall.

Yet, three weeks after his murder, Jamal Khashoggi, who was not a U.S. citizen, was not killed by an American, and died not on U.S. soil but in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul, consumes our elite press.

The top two stories in Monday’s Washington Post were about the Khashoggi affair. A third, inside, carried the headline, “Trump, who prizes strength, may look weak in hesitance to punish Saudis.”

On Sunday, the Post put three Khashoggi stories on Page 1. The Post’s lead editorial bashed Trump for his equivocal stance on the killing.

Two of the four columns on the op-ed page demanded that the Saudis rid themselves of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the prime suspect in ordering the execution.

Page 1 of the Outlook section offered an analysis titled, “The Saudis knew they could get away with it. We always let them.”

Page 1 of the Metro section featured a story about the GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Virginia that began thus:

“Corey A. Stewart’s impulse to use provocative and evidence-free slurs reached new heights Friday when the Republican nominee for Senate disparaged slain Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi…

“Stewart appears to be moving in lockstep with extremist Republicans and conservative commentators engaging in a whisper campaign to smear Khashoggi and insulate Trump from global rebuke.”

This was presented as a news story.

Inside the Business section of Sunday’s Post was a major story, “More CEOs quietly withdraw from Saudi conference.” Featured was a photo of JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon, who had canceled his appearance.

On the top half of the front page of the Sunday New York Times were three stories about Khashoggi, as were the two top stories on Monday.

The Times’ lead editorial Monday called for a U.N. investigation, a cutoff in U.S. arms sales to Riyadh and a signal to the royal house that we regard their crown prince as “toxic.”

Why is our prestige press consumed by the murder of a Saudi dissident not one in a thousand Americans had ever heard of?

Answer: Khashoggi had become a contributing columnist to the Post. He was a journalist, an untouchable. The Post and U.S. media are going to teach the House of Saud a lesson: You don’t mess with the American press!

Moreover, the preplanned murder implicating the crown prince, with 15 Saudi security agents and an autopsy expert with a bone saw lying in wait at the consulate to kill Khashoggi, carve him up, and flee back to Riyadh the same day, is a terrific story.

Still, what ought not be overlooked here is the political agenda of our establishment media in driving this story as hard as they have for the last three weeks.

Our Beltway elite can smell the blood in the water. They sense that Khashoggi’s murder can be used to discredit the Trump presidency, expose the amorality of his foreign policy and sever his ties to patriotic elements of his Middle American constituency.

How so?

First, there are those close personal ties between Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, son of the King, and Jared Kushner, son-in-law of the president of the United States.

Second, there are the past commercial connections between builder Donald Trump, who sold a floor of a Trump building and a yacht to the Saudis when he was in financial straits.

Third, there is the strategic connection. The first foreign trip of the Trump presidency was, at Kushner’s urging, to Riyadh to meet the king, and the president has sought to tighten U.S. ties to the Saudis ever since.

Fourth, Trump has celebrated U.S. sales arms to the Saudis as a job-building benefit to America and a way to keep the Saudis as strategic partners in a Mideast coalition against Iran.

Fifth, the leaders of the two wings of Trump’s party in the Senate, anti-interventionist Rand Paul and interventionist Lindsey Graham, are already demanding sanctions on Riyadh and an ostracizing of the prince.

As story after story comes out of Riyadh about what happened in that consulate on Oct. 2, each less convincing than the last, the coalition of forces, here and abroad, pressing for sanctions on Saudi Arabia and dumping the prince, grows.

ORDER IT NOW

The time may be right for President Trump to cease leading from behind, to step out front, and to say that, while he withheld judgment to give the Saudis every benefit of the doubt, he now believes that the weight of the evidence points conclusively to a plot to kill Jamal Khashoggi.

Hence, he is terminating U.S. military aid for the war in Yemen that Crown Prince Mohammed has been conducting for three years. Win-win.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Anything that will undermine the US-Saudi alliance is good.

    Meanwhile… https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/22/battle-over-air-forces-1300-coffee-cups-heats-up/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  2. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Hence, he is terminating U.S. military aid for the war in Yemen that Crown Prince Mohammed has been conducting for three years. Win-win.

    Yes, win-win.

    • Agree: CalDre
    • Replies: @totheaged
  3. totheaged says:
    @Anon

    What “win-win”?

    The commander-in-chief of the United States has done precisely what (via his personal authority and powers) to curtail, end and punish the Saudis’ ongoing massacres in the Yemen?

    Why, but a month ago , Trump sent Pompeo to “certify” to the Congress that the Saudis were making every effort minimize civilian casualties.

    Poor old Pat must still be in his post-lunch reverie. Time for him to wake up and take in the real world “facts on the ground”.

    Trouble is, that would require Pat to not merely acknowledge that Trump has voluntarily appointed/surrounded himself with neo-cons and steadfastly pursued neo-con policies, but also to finally admit that Trump himself is the biggest neo-con of the bunch.

    Seasoned political insider Pat totally suckered by a third rate condo con man?

    Ouch!

  4. RVBlake says:

    Trump needs to terminate U.S. military aid to Saudi Arabia regardless of the Khashoggi clown show.

  5. the assassination of JFK by Lee Harvey Oswald

    This is satire, right?

    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
  6. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is an article that explains how Washington justifies continuing to sell arms to Saudi Arabia:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2018/09/how-washington-excuses-saudi-arabias.html

    It is interesting to see how both Saudi Arabia and Israel are able to drive America’s agenda in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @includemeout
  7. @Anonymous

    “Washington”‘s arm sales to Saudi Arabia?

    “America’s agenda in the Middle East”?

    How about TRUMP’s arm sales to the Saudis and TRUMP’s agenda in the Middle East?

    [Why is it that every one tries to distance herr trump from his own policies and decisions?????]

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  8. Anon[467] • Disclaimer says:

    When I read the title, I thought there will be something about the American princeling, Kushner. American royalty is usually limited to parents, spouse, and children of the president, and even those get to leave WH for a while. Instead, ‘old man yells at cloud’.

    Saudis created that country, and kept it theirs, for longer than anyone I can think of on the planet. A country with 110 years of history of keeping migrants and foreign ‘investors’ out, with some of the largest oil reserves on the planet, and one of the most efficient cults underlying their power structures will be OK without Trump’s aid. Oath of Allegiance is nothing compared to Islam.

  9. strictly says:
    @Anon

    But, what if Kushner and his father-in-lawless Trump already have pledged an “Oath of Allegiance” to Saudi Arabia on behalf of Israel?

    No wonder Yemenis are frightened.

  10. @includemeout

    The arms sales were done on Obama’s watch. Trump just took credit for them, because the deals were signed on his watch.

  11. @Anon

    The Saudis created nothing. The British Foreign Office, post WWI, created all of the countries in the Middle East, with some minor help from France in Syria.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  12. Trouble is, that would require Pat to not merely acknowledge that Trump has voluntarily appointed/surrounded himself with neo-cons and steadfastly pursued neo-con policies, but also to finally admit that Trump himself is the biggest neo-con of the bunch.

    As I see it, Trump had a choice when he took office. He could back the military, and its intelligence, or he could back the FBI, CIA, and other alphabet agencies – i.e. the swamp. Either way, he was going to be surrounded by neo-cons/Zionists/lunatics. The public, even though it has a less than good opinion of the military, knows the swamp is much worse.
    As for Trump being a con-man, how many Presidents, in the last 120 years, have not been con-men?

    • Replies: @betteryet
  13. anastasia says:

    Khashoggi was probably working for CIA, as well as the press.

  14. betteryet says:
    @Curmudgeon

    More to the point, how many NYC real estate shysters have NOT been con-men?

    Trump and Kushner have been bred for the sport. Utter shills.

  15. nickels says:

    The press is trying to push Trump into a crisis:

    -if he doesn’t go against Saudi, then he condones murder.
    -if he goes against Saudi then oil goes to $20 a gallon and he is incompetent.

    Its about spoiling the midterms.

    • Replies: @Milton
  16. Eighthman says:

    This whole thing has gotten weird. Will Democrats dump the Sauds simply because Trump is friendly with them? Is that the motive? Surely there are better ways to sway the mid-terms.

    Or does fracking production give the US the opportunity to dump the Sauds – and some people always hated them? Is this just a sort of politically correct foreign policy grabbing the reins?

    And Lindsay Graham hates them too? Mr. Neo Con warmonger is on board with this? WTF?

    Is there any possibility that this is a weird plot to switch alliances towards Iran? As the better choice in Muslim nations? So they draft sanctions and make big threats – which will weaken the US BUT create a threat to oil – that might cause them to cancel their opposition to Iran????

    This whole thing is strange. Anything is possible.

  17. Milton says:

    Trump’s a fraud, a puppet. How else do explain his pandering to Israel and Saudi Arabia?

    America is in desperate need of a nationalist revolution. But sadly, like Ancient Rome, we are corrupt to the core. How else do you explain the billions in U.S. tax dollars given to Israel and Saudi Arabia whilst America’s homeless vets rot on the streets, infrastructure crumbles, and the Middle Class lives paycheck to paycheck?

  18. Milton says:
    @nickels

    Trump spoiled the midterms by selling out on his “America First” campaign rhetoric and continuing the Neocon Foreign Policy Agenda upon assuming office. The crossover Blue Wall voters who gave him the Presidency now know he is a fraud and the Republican party is hopelessly lost. They will be sitting out the midterms. Trump, all bullshite to the contrary, has turned out to be Bush-Obama 2.0.

    • Replies: @nickels
  19. Rich says:

    Khashoggi is of no consequence to the USA. He was a foreign citizen killed in a foreign country. Let the Turks and the Saudis work it out. The arms sales provide good paying jobs to American citizens and shouldn’t be stopped. I’ll never understand the need for someone many Americans to get involved in foreigners’ quarrels. Did we stop selling guns to Israel when that crazy American girl was run over by an Israeli tank? This is a phony issue being drummed up by the ant-American press.

    • Agree: mark green
  20. stp says:
    @Rich

    “Khashoggi is of no consequence to the USA” – something he clearly shares with the KSA and Israel.

  21. ‘The Post and U.S. media are going to teach the House of Saud a lesson: You don’t mess with the American press!”
    Unless his name is Gary Webb.

  22. @Rich

    you’re a lunatic. Was Rachael Corey crazy? I think not. It’s not that the American people didn’t care a hoot about the poor murdered American girl, they weren’t even informed. With the tribes in control of the Western press her tragic end at the hands of the IDF received as much coverage as the murder of any Palestinian, and that is zero.

    • Replies: @Rich
  23. Rich says:
    @the grand wazoo

    Yes, in my opinion any US citizen who goes to a foreign country to stand in front of a bulldozer for a people who don’t care whether she lives or dies has serious mental issues. If she were a normal person at her age she should’ve been engaged or married, maybe even had a baby or two. If she was determined to help the downtrodden, she could’ve gone to Appalachia and worked with the poor. She put foreigners above herself, her family and her country. She was a loon.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @renfro
    , @anon
  24. Svigor says:
    @Rich

    And a journalist at that.

    NHI.

  25. Svigor says:
    @Rich

    Doesn’t clean the Jews up any.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  26. @Svigor

    Doesn’t clean the Jews up any.

    They’re still injecting serum into Arab children’s arms. Luckily for those in Iraq, the supply of that serum was blocked by sanctions for years.

  27. @Rich

    Khashoggi is of no consequence to the USA. He was a foreign citizen killed in a foreign country

    The word is “subject”.

    Calling him a “citizen” is like calling North Korea a “republic”.

  28. @Anon

    A country with 110 years of history of keeping migrants and foreign ‘investors’ out…

    Then who’s cleaning the toilets?

    There are more Yemenis in the Kingdom than there are people in Boston or Milwaukee. And Yemen is in eighth place– India has sent an entire Los Angeles to KSA. Three in ten residents are foreigners.

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1201861/saudi-arabia

    • Replies: @Anon
  29. renfro says:
    @Rich

    If she were a normal person at her age she should’ve been engaged or married, maybe even had a baby or two

    She was a just graduated college student asshole. I guess in your white trash circle you expect girls to be married and have 2 children by age 20.

    • Replies: @Rich
  30. renfro says:
    @Rich

    Khashoggi is of no consequence to the USA.

    You are of no consequence to the US either pissant.

    Your kind is a dime a dozen …you’re the typical ”.aint nobody ever helped me and I aint gonna help no body neither”.

    You are useless to the country and humanity, just taking up space like an earthworm whose only functions are eating and shitting.

    • Replies: @David
    , @Rich
  31. How about cutting off Erik Prince while he is at it?

  32. nickels says:
    @Milton

    Without any doubt, the Trump agenda, taken as a whole, is entirely incoherent.

    Welcome to separation of powers. Such a system is incapable of a rational policy.

  33. David says:
    @renfro

    Unhinged and unprovoked.

  34. Rich says:
    @renfro

    Wow, you hurt my feelings, I always thought I was a pretty good guy and my dog, at least, thinks I’m okay. Khashoggi is none of my business and I don’t think he’s important to the foreign policy of the U.S. government either. But I know a lot of you busybodies like getting involved in everyone else’s affairs. I heard someone was being oppressed in Namibia, I’m sure you re going to want to get involved in that fight, too, right? Good luck with it.

    • Replies: @pschaaw
    , @SafeNow
  35. CalDre says:

    Washington Post is a Jew supremacist, American hating, neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik propaganda outlet.

    If they are against MbS, it must be because he is bad for the Jews, as that is the only, the only, think those neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik scumbags care about.

    Strangely enough, Israel and Kushner, one of the many Jew supremacists pulling the Orangutan’s strings, seem to support MbS.

    So obviously there is a Jewish schism whether MbS is good for the Jews or not.

    That’s what this whole thing is about. Nothing more, nothing less. Jews can’t figure out if MbS is their guy or not.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  36. pschaaw says:
    @Rich

    Phew! Just so long as you’re not being run over an armoured IDF bulldozer like Rachel Corrie.

    Is your doggie alright?

    After all, American debt-financed spending pays for all of that. Heaven forbid it be effective…

  37. tyrone says:

    Question ,does one khashoggi equal a bus full of Yemani school kids?….…..I know ,I know stupid question

  38. herehere says:

    No, merely a VLCC-full of Israel lobbyists…

  39. Rich says:
    @renfro

    Miss Corrie was a couple of weeks away from her 24th birthday when she decided to stand up for the rights of a people who loathed her, is that really too young to at least be engaged or even have a baby or two? Really? That’s the problem with you mods, you don’t even understand basic human biology. You wackos think a woman should wait until she’s 40 years old to have a kid from an anonymous sperm donor. Nuts.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  40. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Why We Should Go Easy on the Saudi Crown Prince
    For 50 years we’ve prayed for a key Arab leader who agrees to sign a significant pact with Israel. Such a leader has finally arrived
    Tzvia Greenfield
    It’s possible that just like Putin, the Saudi royal house cannot tolerate any criticism, which is why it decided to eliminate the rogue journalist in an acid bath (a no less likely possibility that has not yet been suggested by the authorities in Ankara). It’s possible that Recep Tayyip Erdogan is gnashing his teeth over Saudi Arabia’s bolstered global status, particularly vis-à-vis U.S. President Donald Trump, and over the central role played by Mohammed bin Salman in a regional coalition meant to block Iranian influence in the Middle East — which is why Erdogan is bent on deflating the Crown Prince’s image.
    Erdogan may want to humiliate the Saudis, but his main goal is foiling the plan apparently devised by Trump and Mohammed to forge a regional alliance under the aegis of the United States, an alliance that includes Israel, the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt (and possibly Iraq). These countries will jointly try to block Iran, which endangers all of them. Turkey, which is struggling to find an as-yet-undetermined place within the Arab Muslim world, does not strive merely to lead the Sunni world. It also wants to depict Israel as a foreign colonialist implant in the Middle East. Any legitimization afforded Israel thanks to an alliance with Arab states has negative implications for Erdogan.

    https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-why-we-should-go-easy-on-the-saudi-crown-prince-1.6576593?fbclid=IwAR2UchzT3cBpCB2C8mQPsuIk9_SHO-9pQO1ndV4nh3wdiJp-gQgkifk5M3g

    Israel is sending its most liberal outfits to bat for MbS . This is the state of the nation- a tribe whose self interest will justify a Hitler rearing its head again as long as the head stares some one else down but to stay in limelight pays the Jewish country ransom

  41. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    WTF!! Why does USA crane its neck out to protect the most vicious ungrateful nation on earth and endanger its own future survival ? Here is bribe and fear complex driven by media and money and by interconnected centers of invisible power lying deep in each section of US Gov are at play ..

    At least she was honest , righteous and courageous . She will be one day remembered by future generations and who knows the rules might be changed to give her the Nobel Peace Prize that she deserves . Her picture will be adorning the hall of fame for courage , her name will be invoked across the entire world on her birthday . She will be a much more visible figure than Anne Frank is.

    • Replies: @Rich
  42. ‘Japanese journalist freed from three-year captivity in Syria.’

    I would guess that Saudi Arabia is feeling a sudden and acute need for friends. It was Nusra that freed him.

  43. @CalDre

    ‘…If they are against MbS, it must be because he is bad for the Jews, as that is the only, the only, think those neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik scumbags care about…’

    I suspect Israel is trying to get Saudi Arabia to admit who boss-man is. What the details are, I couldn’t say.

    She’s obviously cracking the whip: ‘Almost two dozen United States members of Congress introduced a bill that would suspend future US arms sales to Saudi Arabia in response to the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    The bill, introduced in the US House of Representatives on Wednesday, also includes a prohibition on security assistance, intelligence, training and equipment…’

    I’d love to know the names of the sponsors — then line them up with a list of who loves Israel the bestest. No guarantees, but…

    • Replies: @Rich
  44. Rich says:
    @anon

    Let me get this straight, a grown woman leaves her family, friends and country, a country with a lot of suffering and hardship, and goes to help a people who don’t care about her, her family or her country, and that makes her “honest, righteous and courageous”? Really? How about helping the people in your own backyard before you go sticking your nose into a fight that’s none of your business? Why didn’t she go to South Africa and help all the poor little black girls who are being raped? Maybe she was a racist? What about going to Thailand or the Philippines and helping the underage girls being forced into prostitution? More racism, maybe? Or how about just staying home and taking care of your own family, building your own community, your own country? You guys all want to save the world while your own people, your own country still needs a lot of work. Sad.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  45. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Saying that the toilet cleaners change the demographics of Saudi is like saying that the country is filled with Americans, because iPhones are American. None of those migrants gets to breed in Saudi. Their presence is more fleeting than that of a camel.

  46. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    Several times when I’ve gotten into discussions with people on this site, you’ve put this “troll” word under my comment. I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the word. Believe it or not, there are a whole lot of folks who agree with me that this Khashoggi thing isn’t all that important and that it doesn’t make a person a hero to go fight for the rights of foreigners. If you’ve got something interesting or constructive to add to the dialogue, by all means go ahead, but this “troll” thing of yours is pretty goofy. It reminds me of those crazy leftists who yell “racist” at everyone and think that “magic” word wins the argument.

    • Troll: Colin Wright, CalDre
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  47. @Rich

    ‘Several times when I’ve gotten into discussions with people on this site, you’ve put this “troll” word under my comment…’

    You’re a closet Zionist.

  48. SafeNow says:
    @Rich

    Agreed – none of my business (and my dogs love me). The media write that “the world” is shocked, affronted and enraged, but I doubt regular people are. When Archduke Ferdinand was killed, regular people were not enraged, but the politicians started WWI. I will change my mind if it emerges that Khashoggi was about to release proof that the Saudis knew about or suspected 911 in advance.

  49. @Rich

    Or, Rachel was an idealistic young woman imbued with the American can-do spirit who felt she would take a stand against injustice and make the world a better place. Some people, not you of course, would commend her and expect her government to value her life, sadly that is not the case and by ignoring the crime of her death her government has allowed the cancer that threatens all Americans to continue to spread.

    • Replies: @Rich
  50. @Curmudgeon

    ‘The Saudis created nothing. The British Foreign Office, post WWI, created all of the countries in the Middle East, with some minor help from France in Syria.’

    That isn’t true. Read a history of Saudi Arabia. Ibn Saud wasn’t Britain’s choice.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  51. Rich says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Idealism is not really a good thing. Idealists have given us communism, forced integration, wars beyond numbering, ruined lives and families. Realism, on the other hand, lifts mankind and helps us build a stronger society. I’m not unsympathetic to the late Miss Corrie and her family, but I can’t condone going to a foreign country and getting involved in someone else’s battles. Especially when we have enough of our own problems right here, illegal aliens swarming over the border, kids getting hooked on drugs, soldiers sent on crusades all over the world, etc. . There’s plenty of things for a young “idealist ” to do right here.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  52. If there is a change of Crown Prince, it will soon be back to business as usual.

    It would be much better to keep MbS, and make the Saudis pay a price for his rehabilitation. This would include:
    - ending the pointless war in Yemen
    - stopping Saudi citizens from fighting abroad, except as part of the Saudi armed forces
    - stopping Saudi citizens from financing jihadists and radical preachers
    - restoration of peaceful relations with Qatar and Iran

  53. tyrone says:

    “cut the prince loose” what, for one little mistake ,don’t you know it takes killers a few goes to perfect their craft ,give him another WACK at it ,in no time he’ll be right up there with his allies.

  54. APilgrim says:

    Extermination of radical Islamists is a laudable goal.

    Humanity owes a debt of GRATITUDE to the executioners of Jamal Khashoggi.

    We owe a similar debt of gratitude to the government of Syria, for exterminating Daesh.

    IMHPO

    • Replies: @noexceptions
    , @Rurik
  55. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    Hi Rich,

    The reason people call you a troll, is because you’re either far too stupid to be here, or you’re just another obnoxious asshole, wiping your rhetorical excrement on the walls of this site.

    Idealists have given us communism, forced integration, wars beyond numbering, ruined lives and families

    In point of fact, those things were perpetrated by Jewish supremacists who hate white Christian people’s guts and want them all destroyed. Duh.

    I’m not unsympathetic to the late Miss Corrie and her family,

    let me add ‘liar’, to stupid and asshole.

    but I can’t condone going to a foreign country and getting involved in someone else’s battles.

    because you’re too stupid to understand it, that is exactly what Saint Rachel was protesting.

    We (the citizens of the ZUS of A), have been the ones “getting involved in someone else’s battles”.

    We have been supporting and arming and funding the genocidal fiends in Israel, that have been murdering and terrorizing and stealing those people’s lands.

    If we were minding our own business, and leaving those people alone, Rachel would have nothing to protest, because without our assistance, the genocidal fiends in Israel would be left pounding sand.

    Especially when we have enough of our own problems right here, illegal aliens swarming over the border, kids getting hooked on drugs, soldiers sent on crusades all over the world, etc. . There’s plenty of things for a young “idealist ” to do right here.

    And (((who))) is behind the illegal invasions and social decay and soldiers send all over the place to kill Israeli’s well-earned enemies, eh?

    Saint Rachel was the best of us all. She cared about the crushing iniquities the Jewish supremacist, genocidal fiends were perpetrating on innocent men, women and children, and put her life on the line to protest it. As the rest of the bovine, cud chewing, self-absorbed, apathetic, football game watching imbeciles in the ZUS of A go along with any moral outrage or atrocity against human reason or decency with supine indifference, so long as there’s corporate processed food in their bulging bellies and gas in the tank.

    and goes to help a people who don’t care about her,

    well, I’ve already called you a liar and an asshole, so now how do I characterize this?

    http://peace.maripo.com/m_corrie.htm

    There are monuments and streets named after her and murals of gratitude and homage to her decency and courage all over Palestine.

    Whereas the people who “don’t care about her”, are her fellow American citizen scumfucks like yourself. Who’d watch as our fellow citizens are brutally murdered by sub-human orcs, and respond by sending more billions.

    If my nation and countrymen were worth a tiny fraction of the human virtues of courage and integrity and human decency that personified Saint Rachel – the murderous goon who killed her would be in an American cage for the rest of his execrable and hopefully short life.

    https://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @CalDre
  56. @APilgrim

    How about radical, militant zionists?

    Oh, forgot – we throw them gala cocktail parties instead…

    • Replies: @hmmnumm
  57. Rurik says:
    @APilgrim

    Humanity owes a debt of GRATITUDE to the executioners of Jamal Khashoggi.

    if it results in the execution of every corrupt POS “prince’ or “king’ of the murderous ‘House of Saud’, then perhaps you have a point.

    The whole cabal of stinking sheikhs in that cesspool of corruption and moral filth – are not worth one Yemeni child’s life.

  58. hmmnumm says:
    @noexceptions

    Hahahaha – yes! The hasbara troll rooms really are frightened witless by this website.

  59. Rich says:
    @Rurik

    You’re a riot. I remember when I was a kid in the schoolyard it was always the biggest sissies who were quick to call people names and quicker to call the teacher if it was time to put up their dukes.

    “We” aren’t responsible for the acts of the American government any more than the average Palestinian is responsible for the terrorism perpetrated by his countrymen. Each individual is responsible for his own actions. It’s always unfortunate when a person dies young and unnecessarily, but Miss Corrie was an adult and she made her choice.

    I think instead of spending money building monuments to mentally unstable foreigners, the Palestinians should be spending money on trying to build up their country.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @Rurik
  60. Ah, I remember when I was a wee lad, there were no hasbara heads – merely unregistered lobbyists for alien countries…

  61. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    goes to help a people who don’t care about her

    WTF do you know? In fact the PSM has lots of friends among Palestinians, plenty of evidence just on the ‘net if you could momentarily get off your smug racist know-nothing ass and look. They’re not ingrates like you.

    How about helping the people in your own backyard before you go sticking your nose into a fight that’s none of your business?

    How about you minding your own fucking business and letting people help those they want to help? Whom are you helping? Oh, you want to help the Nazi Jews exterminate Palestinians and anyone who helps them, good for you! Sure your momma’s proud! Oh yeah – again, if you could get off your self-righteous lazy ass for a moment you can also learn on the internet why Rachel went to Israel (temporarily) and all the other wonderful things she did with her life, while you do nothing but condemn the virtuous. Truly sad.

    You guys all want to save the world while your own people, your own country still needs a lot of work. Sad.

    You want to see ultimate sad, look in the mirror. Rachel was a wonderful human being, her excrement was more worthy than you are.

  62. CalDre says:
    @Colin Wright

    UK, House of Windsors, put all the hereditary dictators in power in the Middle East, no matter what your history books claim. They particularly loved the Wahhabist scum the Sauds. Whether or not some semi-decent Brit imperialist preferred another hereditary dictator or not is not relevant because just like Lawrence of Arabia found out, UK is ruled by hereditary dictators who don’t give a f* what you or anyone else thinks.

  63. CalDre says:
    @Rurik

    Perhaps amazingly, I find myself in violent agreement with Rurik.

  64. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    the average Palestinian is responsible for the terrorism perpetrated by his countrymen

    Terrorism is what the Nazi Jews in Israel do, and every single one of them is responsible for it as they live on stolen land and have a “democracy” where they all support their sub-Nazi, inhuman, genocidal terror state. The Palestinians are not “terrorists”, not even the ones blowing up the buses, they are freedom fighters. They are fighting, however they can, for justice, against the guilty, criminal Jews who have stolen their land and voted, year after year after year after year, to torture and genocide them. It is a conspiracy of the Jews to commit genocide; each is guilty of all acts of the others, as is the case with all criminal conspiracies.

    Miss Corrie was an adult and she made her choice

    Exactly, she chose to have courage, unlike you. She chose to go to the source of the evil, unlike you. She chose to represent justice and honor, unlike you.

    You, on the other hand, have obviously made the choice to be a sniveling, repugnant victim-blamer. I would take 1 Rachel over 100 million of you.

  65. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    The Saudis keep dropping U.S.-supplied bombs on civilian targets:
    The Saudis say they are countering Iran, which backs the Houthis. But the Houthis are an indigenous group with legitimate grievances, and the war has only enhanced Iranian influence. As has been obvious for some time, the only solution is a negotiated settlement. But the Saudis have done their best to sabotage a U.N.-led peace process. Talks planned for Geneva in September failed when Saudi leaders would not grant safe travel guarantees to Houthi leaders

    Mr. Khashoggi’s death should resurface the issue, as senators from both parties are proposing. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) has been holding up a Saudi request to purchase precision-guided munition kits for its bombs; that blockage should be formalized, along with a ban on all other aid to the Yemen war.
    Iran hawks will howl that the prohibition will work to Tehran’s advantage

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/this-is-the-first-step-to-recalibrating-us-saudi-relations/2018/10/22/fb9eb598-d61f-11e8-a10f-b51546b10756_story.html?utm_term=.710e40bcfdbd

    Elites are coming apart at the seams . Its good for the rest of decent human being .
    AS usual Israel is always ready to allow shedding of blood as long as it is not the blood of one of them .

    • Replies: @CalDre
  66. CalDre says:
    @anon

    The Houthis are primarily Zaidiyyah, a Shia offshoot (sort of like Alawites are a Shia offshoot). The Wahhabists, i.e., the Sauds, despise all Shia. At a minimum they do not want them to have any power. The Southwestern part of Saudis does not have any resources, but it does have a significant part of Saudi’s oppressed Shia population.

    As such, the Houthis form an alliance with Iran because Iran would not oppress them like the Saudis do. The Houthis would like good relations with Iran and to trade with Iran. As such, the Wahhabist savages in Saudi Barbaria want to, if not exterminate, at least weaken and subjugate, the Houthis.

    AS usual Israel is always ready to allow shedding of blood as long as it is not the blood of one of them

    “One million Arabs are not worth a single Jewish fingernail.”

  67. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Time for Trump to Cut the Prince Loose?

    We are fed up with your stupid questions and answers. It is the time for YOU to get lost.
    He is supporting Trump. Also he is a zionist. Don’t trust him.

    The Jewish mafia is sending bombs out to save their stooge, trump and his jewish mafia family from MBS murder case to divert attention away from the MBS, the thug. Jewish Mafia and Israel are the sole beneficiary of this criminal connection.

  68. Anon[582] • Disclaimer says:

    He’s telling Trump what he should do. It’s good political advice and would be win-win because it would accomplish a good foreign policy result (distancing us from the Yemen debacle) and a good domestic result (distancing Trump from the Khassogi affair).

    No guarantee Trump will take the advice, however.

  69. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    “We” aren’t responsible for the acts of the American government .

    I’m not, but all of you Zionist apologists are.

    any more than the average Palestinian is responsible for the terrorism perpetrated by his countrymen

    There was a time many years ago, when I considered Israel to have some shred of legitimacy. Even if as a ‘reality on the ground’. But post 9/11, every Palestinian who slaps a cowardly Jewish supremacist soldier, or sticks a blade in their occupier’s scrawny neck, or shoots a rocket to remind the racist, genocidal scum that Palestinians will never be subdued, is a hero to the moral members of this planet.

    Miss Corrie was an adult and she made her choice.

    So was Joan of Arc, and to this day she is lionized for her courage and integrity and greatness, just as the corrupt scumbags who murdered her are rightly reviled.

    It says a lot about a person who dismisses Saint Rachel’s ultimate sacrifice for the cause of human decency and justice. When they dismiss her saintliness, they’re opening up a window into their own festering soul. And allowing everyone with eyes to peer with revulsion at the rot.

    Palestinians should be spending money on trying to build up their country.

    Yes, by allying with Hezbollah and Assad and BDS and every other organization who represents justice and rationality.

    We are all Palestinians now. Just as Ehud Barak made clear with his message on 9/11.

    ‘Nothing will be the same from now on’, he hectored us, and he was right about that.

    Israel’s days are numbered. Their treachery and murderous, vile supremacist ideology has alienated even the most hardened realists. BDS will bring the drooling fiend to its knees, and the people of the world will rejoice as Israel is boycotted and ostracized as an open, oozing boil on the world’s stage that needs to be cauterized.

    • Replies: @Rich
  70. Rich says:
    @Rurik

    “We” are not all Palestinians, I’m an American. I’m not a “Zionist apologist” either, I’m a supporter of what’s good for America and I’m an enemy to those who would attack American interests. If I had my druthers, all of the middle East would be returned to the original Christian people whose land was stolen by the invading Islamic murderers.

    Joan of Arc was a French woman fighting to free France. Miss Corrie was an American in a foreign land who was extremely misguided in her methods. If Miss Corrie had been killed fighting for her country, obviously it would be a different situation.

    Whether you or anyone else believes Israel’s days are numbered is of no consequence to the reality of the situation. Israel is a nuclear armed state with a decent strength army, The Palestinians are never going to win. Like other defeated people, they have to make peace with their conqueror and try to build a better world for their descendants.

  71. @Rich

    Recent military conflicts do not suggest that the Israelis should be so sanguine about easily winning another one. One substantial breakthrough of conventional missiles into Israel and things will look quite different. One substantial breakthrough of troops into Israel, and that tiny country will be at risk of annihilation. Can’t say they aren’t asking for it, the way they are treating people.

    Yes, I realize that could be said of the us gov, too, and it’s true. And we are all going to pay a price for what they are doing in our name and with our tax dollars.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @NoseytheDuke
  72. Rich says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You’re right, the Israelis are not invincible and when a war starts anything can happen. We can be pretty sure, though, that if a recognized state successfully invaded Israel, they would launch their nukes and take the invaders out with them. That being said, at this point in history, there is little chance of any local army succeeding in an invasion. The Egyptians won’t take the chance, the Jordanians won’t and the Syrians can’t. Forget the Lebanese, they can fight a defensive war, but don’t have much offensive capability. The Palestinians have no choice except to accept a loser’ s peace.

    • Replies: @currently
    , @CalDre
  73. currently says:
    @Rich

    Wow hasbara rich. Finally, you lay out not a “loser’s peace”, but a “win-win” for the U.S. taxpayer:

    “if a recognized state successfully invaded Israel, they would launch their nukes and take the invaders out with them.”

    Hurrah! Well done boy.

  74. @Rich

    You are correct in all your assertions Rich.

    And it would suit me just fine if a dictator seized control of the productive portions of our morally and bankrupt corporation/nation and implemented zealous border control- such as kill zones- that would physically impose with prejudice upon squatemalen caravans of freedom. Just as the IDF would do.

    • Replies: @totheborders
  75. @Stonehands

    Yes, if given the opportunity, Trump would shoot unarmed civilians.

    Just like the IDF and the Saudis…

    “It’s self defence against the Iranians I tell you!” will he aver…

  76. @RadicalCenter

    One substantial breakthrough of conventional missiles into Israel and things will look quite different.

    Yes and the main difference will be that even greater masses of Israelis will head to the US, UK, Australia and such countries to continue working their “magic”.

  77. @NoseytheDuke

    I was thinking the same thing. Anyone who still believes that Oswald had anything to do with the JFK assassination and that OBL had anything to do with 9/11 needs to get out more.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  78. @Andre Citroen

    I agree. It is incumbent on all decent people everywhere to correct anyone who ever refers to LHO killing JFK or the 19 mythical 9/11 high-jackers lest the memes be strengthened over time.

  79. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    If Israeli launches nukes, then no Jew in the world will be safe – certainly not the ones in Israel. Mutually Assured Destruction is a bitch.

  80. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    Joan of Arc was a French woman fighting to free France.

    You’re deranged. France would have been as free under one blue blood dictator as the other. Blue bloods ruled all of Europe, enslaving everyone among them. What difference did it make? England was ruled by Franks, was that better or worse than being ruled by Saxons? What about Russia, ruled by Germanic Romanovs during its rise from the Duchy of Muscovy to the Russian Empire.

    Rachel actually tried to make a difference, you know-nothing. She wasn’t killing, like Joan of Arc in her misguided “nationalism”, to determine whether one dictator or his brother would rule over everyone. She was protesting, peacefully, to save the homes of Palestinians whose sole crime was they were not Jews. In other words, she was working peacefully against Jewish supremacism. Which affects everyone on the planet. Not to replace it with some other supremacism or dictatorship, but with peace and understanding.

    Joan of Arc was no hero, just a killer who was willing to kill Whites because they honored a different brother than the one she honored. Rachel was a saint. You don’t tell the difference.

    • Replies: @Rich
  81. Rich says:
    @CalDre

    You have an interesting take on history. I don’t know that I’d call the Norman rulers of England “Franks”, but they were indeed blood relatives of the French rulers and had an arguably legitimate claim to the French throne. Your argument that these wars were of no consequence to the common folk is a position agreed with by many people. Still, the French fought, for their King, and still, Joan was considered a great woman, a great symbol, to the French people, the native French people, not the distant relatives who had invaded. In some twisted way, she would be symbolic of a young Palestinian woman fighting against the Israelis, who, by the way, like the English, have an arguable claim to Palestine and are said to be distant relatives to the Palestinians. Miss Corrie would be compared to, say, a Persian woman taking a boat to France in 1429 to support the claims of Charles VI.

    You have clearly decided that the Palestinian cause and claim is legitimate, and that any means necessary to evict the Israelis is a noble cause. Maybe you have an argument, but in reality, the Israelis have won, they are never going to be evicted. They will fight to the last man, then launch their nukes if necessary. It’s my position that the Palestinians have to accept this reality, and try to negotiate some kind of peace that gives their people hope for the future. The Germans accepted a truncated state after WWII, the Irish gave up their six Northern counties, the Austrians gave up their empire, the Spanish no longer own Puerto Rico, the examples of defeated people making deals with the stronger army are endless. Tell your Palestinian friends to make a deal. For their own good.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  82. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    Joan was considered a great woman because in history we still learn that fighting to the death, and killing, in support of your enslaver is a noble and great thing to do. Because history is taught by the enslavers. Generally they try to goad people to do what no sane person would do by spinning fighting for their (illegitimate) rule into fighting for your (actually, their) country or their “freedom” (actually, enslavement). Indeed many have fallen for this pernicious propaganda.

    I don’t want to evict the Israelis, they can stay for all I care. I believe in the the one state solution. Some constitutional guarantees that the Jews and Arabs can each live freely, but Arabs may become a majority. All people entitled to the same rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. No Jewish supremacism, no “Jewish state”. I think that is also what Rachel believed in.

    The Germans accepted a truncated state after WW I. When it’s people in the lost rump were tortured by the Polish, they defeated Poland. It’s not just that the Palestinians lost; it’s that the Jews are continuing to inflict torture and severe oppression and suffering on them, and the Jews continue to expand their land grabs. Everyone knows that even once they have settled all of the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights, etc. they will not stop, they will continue to land-grab until they have Eretz Israel. Palestinians have basically decided to fight against it. Not that they have a great deal of choice.

    Israelis have no claim to Palestine, except that now after 70 years of settlement they have been there a long time. Making it harder to dislodge them. Their claim from the Roman days are completely and 100% illegitimate. Not even a color of a claim. And while Hebrews were close relatives of the Palestinians, modern Jews are not generally Hebrew, they are generally Ashkenazi, who are Caucasians, not Semites. In fact someone like Bibi is Polish, not even Turkish.

    Whatever “injustice” you may feel about the “invasion” of America, the fact is Mexicans have 1 million times more claims to California than modern Jews have to Palestine. And moreover, Mexicans are not persecuting European Americans like the Jews persecute Palestinians. That Corrie chose to take a 1-day flight to protest with a group of her friends against Jewish theft of Palestinian land is hardly comparable to a Persian coming over to help Charles VI in 1429, not comparable at all. It would be more like an American traveling to Germany to help a persecuted Jew in 1944. But even not as extreme as that, as Rachel was non-violent, nor was she killing other Whites to help the Palestinians.

    Your condemnation of Rachel is utterly perplexing. She was a saint. God bless her soul and curse the Satanic beasts that murdered her.

  83. Rich says:

    You’ll probably be surprised to learn that post WWII Germany was actually smaller than the Weimar Republic. So that invasion of Poland didn’t work out too well.

    The Palestinians have very little claim to the land. Before Israel was established, the British owned the land, before them, the Turks. The Muslim murderers didn’t steal the land until the 9th century and then several different Muslim groups fought over and conquered the land from each other. The Crusaders managed to free the land for a short time, but eventually were forced to withdraw. The Romans (Italians) probably have a pretty good claim, having conquered the land many years earlier, I guess the Greeks and the Egyptians can also make claim. The Hebrews stole the land from the Canaanites, I believe, but I’m not sure. The Oriental Jews remained in the Middle East and have at least as good a claim as the Muslim Palestinians. The Ashkenazi are somewhat descended from Italians as recent DNA tests show, so, as Romans, have a decent claim. Of course, as we all know, “Might Makes Right”, so it’s the strongest army that owns the land.

    The Mexicans actually have very little claim to the American Southwest. They had only recently stolen the land from the Spanish Crown, and had never really controlled it. So I disagree with your premise there.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  84. Well yes you see, according to “Rich”, no one really has a claim to anything in Palestine.

    Therefore, if Israel kicks out Palestinians from their homes by force, steals their land, cuts down their olive orchards and bulldozes their villages, well, no harm done – right? After all, it stands to “hasbara reason” – right? Of course and inconveniently, this is not U.N. reason (namely, the logic that “might does not make right” in seizing land given the experience of WWII).

    Now, just envisage a similar thing happening in the present day United States to, say, the properties of the Kushner and Trump organizations.

    What exactly would they claim if some one else seized their buildings and properties – besides, of course, the banks to which they have always been so over-leveraged?

    Yup, they’d be screaming at the top of their lungs, “Holocaust!”

    Still, their claims to “holocaust” are really rather flimsy when examined in the light of “history”. After all, hasbara is only as good as its progatorss are outrageously shameful and its audience is stupid.

    • Replies: @Rich
  85. Rich says:
    @all4usnone4you

    Well, actually, I was responding to the idea that the Palestinians had better claim to the land than the present owners. My point, which I guess went over your head, is that it is usually the stronger people who control the land. The Palestinians are obviously a tough people, willing to suffer endlessly for the land they effectively lost 80 years ago. I don’t see any way they can ever win it back. They are now Helots to the Israeli Spartans. In my opinion, they should negotiate the best deal they can, and try to build up a better life for themselves and their children.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  86. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    You’ll probably be surprised to learn that post WWII Germany was actually smaller than the Weimar Republic. So that invasion of Poland didn’t work out too well.

    That entirely depends on your POV. I happen to believe in the hypotheses that Stalin was preparing to complete Lenin’s mission and run his Red Army through all of Europe, relying heavily on the massive Fifth Column of Communists that existed everywhere. If not for Operation Barbarossa, which caught Stalin off-guard, all of Europe would likely have been Communist by say 1943, at which point the US could have done nothing about it. And Germany’s size, in effect, would have been zero.

    The Palestinians have very little claim to the land. Before Israel was established, the British owned the land, before them, the Turks.

    Spare me your Zionist lies. The British never “owned” the land, they occupied it. The Ottomans also never owned the land, they were also just the governing body, and they permitted a great deal of local autonomy (like Russia does even to this day – and hence it would not make sense to say Chechens don’t own Chechnya, because to a great degree, they actually do, but I guess in your warped world, one could ethnically cleanse Chechnya of all Chechens and that would be OK as they don’t “own it”, lol).

    Well let me follow up. Whites don’t own the farmland in California because, well, D.C. owns it. And so the Mexicans can just come up and ethnically cleanse White farmers from California and take all the land and the Whites cannot complain. Because, first, Mexico once owned it, and now D.C. does, and the locals, well they don’t matter.

    I can’t believe you are writing such total Zionist filth nonsense. For crying out loud that’s sick.

    The Mexicans actually have very little claim to the American Southwest. They had only recently stolen the land from the Spanish Crown,

    I suppose they stole it from the Spanish Crown in the same way the US stole the colonies from the British crown. But, there were more Mexicans in those regions than there were Americans. And as per your comment above, having foreign governmental control is enough to deprive the locals of all rights.

  87. CalDre says:
    @Rich

    In my opinion, they should negotiate the best deal they can, and try to build up a better life for themselves and their children.

    They’ve tried that. They are not giving up the right of return. They are willing to fight for that. They are true heroes.

    You see, once they give up the right of return, they have given it up forever. It’s called adverse possession. So long as they do not give up this right, Israel is, in its entirely, the illegal settler colonialists. Who deserve to be driven into the ocean for their wrongful theft. I don’t think Palestinians will do that, but they have that legal and moral right.

    So, they will wait until fortunes change. One day, maybe not so far from now, the Arab states may unite and actually become powerful (maybe Erdogan will recreate the Ottoman Empire). They may obtain nuclear weapons (Turks most likely of them all). They may become more powerful than Israel. And then, Israel will have to negotiate instead of just being able to use violence and oppression to get its evil way. At that point, we will get the One State Solution. Israel may just become a province of the new Ottoman Empire. :)

    • Replies: @CalDre
  88. CalDre says:
    @CalDre

    By the way, it wouldn’t take a lot of nukes to take out Jews. They are very heavily populated in two places: Israel and New York. So any power with a few nukes (the one in New York can be set off on a ship or underwater, the tsunami would be enough to do the job) can pretty much threaten the Tribe (not just Israel) with MAD.

    Another attack vector is a bio-engineered virus that attacks particularly Jews, released in New York and Israel, perhaps with a drone spraying it into the air.

    This is why Israel, despite its nukes, is far from being invincible. It’s really on the knife’s edge. There is no reason for Palestinians to give up hope.

  89. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    The Palestinians are never going to win. Like other defeated people, they have to make peace with their conqueror and try to build a better world for their descendants.

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