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After Joe Biden’s blowout victory in South Carolina Saturday and the swift withdrawal of Tom Steyer, “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, the decisive day of the race for the Democratic nomination, Super Tuesday, is at hand.

Fourteen states — including California and Texas and delegate-rich Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia — hold primaries today, where 40% of the delegates to the Democratic convention will be chosen.

Yet consider where the Democratic Party, the party of diversity, America’s “progressive” party, the all-inclusive party of persons of color, African Americans, Asians and Hispanics, the party of women and LGBT, will close out this day.

Of the 24 candidates who sought the nomination in 2019, all the black candidates such as Sens. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris and Gov. Deval Patrick, have been eliminated. The sole Asian American, Andrew Yang, is gone. The Hispanic candidate, Julian Castro, is long gone. Winning just 2% of the black vote in South Carolina, 38-year-old gay candidate Pete Buttigieg is gone.

After South Carolina, the last two women in the race, Elizabeth Warren and Klobuchar, were put under pressure from the Democratic establishment in its hair-on-fire panic. To do what?

These female senators were to sacrifice their hopes and dreams to advance the establishment’s plot to derail the nomination of the unapologetic progressive who has run the best and boldest campaign of this election year — Bernie Sanders.

Klobuchar packed it in Monday. Warren is barely hanging on. And where does that leave the party of diversity this first week in March?

With three potential nominees. All three are aging white men — Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg. All three, if nominated and elected, would soon celebrate their 80th birthday in the White House.

The establishment’s ultimatum: Everyone, get with the program of breaking Bernie and “Go with Joe!” or face retribution.

Of what is the establishment terrified?

That if Sanders is nominated, Donald Trump will crush him in November. And not only will the White House be lost, all hopes of winning the Senate and blocking Trump’s second-term Supreme Court nominees would also be lost.

And not only the Senate but Nancy Pelosi’s House could also be lost. And not only the House but hundreds of down-ballot candidates could also lose, leaving the GOP with the whip hand in redistricting congressional seats through the decade.

For Democrats, the fear is of the Harding-Coolidge Roaring ’20s revisited.

And if Trumpists rule the roost in the Republican Party and the populist-left of “Crazy Bernie” dominates the Democratic Party, what happens to the agenda of the establishment?

Today promises to a fateful one in the history of the Democratic Party, and it will answer many questions:

Will Sanders win enough delegates to give him an insurmountable lead for the nomination? Or will he have a good, but not a great, night, winning most of the states, but not a large enough pile of delegates to reach 50% before the convention in Milwaukee?

As for Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who was being urged to drop out and back Biden before he got the first returns on his $500 million investment in his campaign, what did he buy with that half billion? We shall find out today.

If his performance is disappointing, will he yield to the establishment and do what it demands to advance the killing of Sanders’ candidacy?

As for Biden, the questions are clear and crucial: Will the momentum from Saturday’s victory be sustained and replicated in Alabama and other Southern and border states where the African American share of the Democratic electorate is similar to South Carolina’s?

Will today provide the clarity the establishment and Biden want, and make this a Biden-Sanders race, with those two coming into the convention with large blocs of delegates but neither with a majority?

ORDER IT NOW

What the establishment wants is for the first ballot to end without a nominee — if that nominee would be Sanders — and the pledged delegates to be freed of their commitments, and for the superdelegates to vote on the second ballot, and for the party thus to be spared falling into the custody of an angry septuagenarian socialist.

For the Democratic establishment, the stakes could not be higher and thus that establishment, after Biden’s landslide in South Carolina, is not disguising its interests or demands: Sanders must be denied the nomination, and Biden is the only one who can accomplish that.

Biden might have won South Carolina without the endorsement of veteran African American Congressman Jim Clyburn. But it was Clyburn’s blessing that gave Biden his landslide.

And if Biden wins Alabama and other states today, the major factors of his victory will be his South Carolina landslide and his support from African Americans.

Should Biden win the nomination, still a long shot, he will be in deep political debt.

Look for Biden to put an African American woman on his ticket.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Biden could be the first President elect with clinically apparent senile dementia. Buchanan’s man Reagan, didn’t get it until later.

    Just goes to show that all the “establishment” wants is an empty suit to front for them

  2. JasonT says:

    There you go again, Buchanan, getting it wrong. The Dems are afraid that Bernie will be Trump and end the most rabid policies of the oligarchs that control both the Dems and Repubs.

    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
    , @NPleeze
  3. Biff says:

    Look for Biden to put an African American woman on his ticket.

    Oprah?

  4. MEexpert says:

    After South Carolina, the last two women in the race, Elizabeth Warren and Klobuchar, were put under pressure from the Democratic establishment in its hair-on-fire panic. To do what?

    Buchanan can’t count. There is Tulsi Gabbard. I don’t remember her dropping out.

    What the establishment wants is for the first ballot to end without a nominee — if that nominee would be Sanders — and the pledged delegates to be freed of their commitments, and for the superdelegates to vote on the second ballot, and for the party thus to be spared falling into the custody of an angry septuagenarian socialist.

    What a mixed up sentence but I get the gist of it. If there is no clear cut nominee, watch out for the consensus candidate – Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    2016 Redux!

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  5. @Biff

    Not Oprah. Stacy “Manatee” Abrams. Take it to the bank. We are in for a VERY entertaining summer.

  6. gsjackson says:
    @MEexpert

    Tulsi was disappeared by the media. Same thing, I guess.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @John Johnson
  7. Biff says:
    @Dweezil the Weasel

    Not Oprah. Stacy “Manatee” Abrams. Take it to the bank. We are in for a VERY entertaining summer.

    That would be a “phoney” or “token” black person for the ticket – you know, just like Obama. “All we need is the correct skin pigment – the black brain stays in the corner”

    • Replies: @Realist
  8. @Dweezil the Weasel

    ‘Stacy “Manatee” Abrams. ‘

    That’s a distinct possibility. I think that would make make me feel obliged to not just vote for Trump/Pence, but to actually work to make sure they won reelection. I’m have to stock up on anti-nausea pills, but…

    …of course, maybe the worse the better. A Presidentrix Abrams might actually bring on the gentile White counter-revolution we need. Quit screwing around and go right to the final battle.

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @JasonT

    I don’t understand how you see that Trump will wipe the floor with Bernie since Bernie’s poll numbers show him in the lead in any showdown with the Israel First carrot top who has totally betrayed his supporters except maybe Adelson and the Christian Zionist lunatic fringe.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @John Johnson
  10. dvorak says:
    @Biff

    Michelle Obama really doesn’t care for mixing with downscale White voters in NH and Iowa. That was just never going to happen. But a VP slot means she is working enormous crowds, similar to a book tour. (And there isn’t time, sorry, for most of the crowd to get a selfie with her. Just a select few, representing every demographic).

    As VP she is the presumptive nominee going forward, so she never has to hit the hustings – just more book tours, friendly interviews and stadium outings.

    As for debates with the GOP, Michelle knows how to stay cool for the cool medium, television. A debate draw is all she needs.

    When Michelle runs for President, or if Joe dies, why not pick Jill Biden as her VP? (Obama-Biden, Biden-Obama, Obama-Biden).

    Welcome to the next 12 years in America. Little old Black ladies in Milwaukee, Detroit, Flint, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Philly, Pittsburgh and the South will deliver that future to you.

    • Replies: @Kim
  11. N of 1 says:

    All three are aging white men — Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg.

    One out of three ain’t great, Pat.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  12. @Crazy Horse

    Should Biden get the nomination (especially if there’s a reasonable perception of DNC shenanigans) then DT is a cinch for 2020. Biden is a straw man slipping into dementia. The US black vote will not save him.
    Watch out for Warren — if she craps out on super-Tues, but stays in the race then the fix is in: Warren’s job ? Split the progressive vote.
    Which is ironic as Bloomberg is doing the same for the conservative side. DNC took another look at Joe & lost a bit of bladder control….So desperate, so wet, they allow a Republican to run…the DNC is beyond contempt.

  13. With three potential nominees. All three are aging white men — Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg. All three, if nominated and elected, would soon celebrate their 80th birthday in the White House.

    Any of the three would serve the useful purpose of getting a minority into the Oval Office via the back door.

    Stacy “Manatee” Abrams does indeed look like one who is being advanced to that end.

  14. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks might get Biden the nomination but thats where it ends.
    Biden sticks to the issue whereas Trump is all over the place so
    i don’t think Trump will come across as well in the debates as some think.

  15. I have to ask myself why the D establishment are so anti Bernie. He isn’t advocating for anything they haven’t been pushing for years and he doesn’t defer much from everyone else in the race so why the animosity? Is it because they think he is the only one who actually believes in the stuff they are promoting? Is it because they think the market is due for a massive correction and they don’t want a jewish democrat in the white house when it happens? One thing’s for sure, the Democrat establishment isn’t afraid that Trump will trounce Bernie. Bernie has the best chance of any of the D candidates.

    If you are paying attention there is one issue that clearly seperates him from the rest of the democratic field (except, Tulsi but they can just ignore her) and that is his anti Israel rhetoric and the anti israel beliefs held by many of his supporters. If he was a white guy like Corbyn they could just call him an anti semite, but he’s not, so they sound like Republicans criticizing him for his tax plan and complaining that the American people don’t want socialism.

    They would rather lose the election to Trump than normalize antizionism.

    • Agree: follyofwar, mark green
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @nsa
    , @John Johnson
  16. @Biff

    My money is on Maxine Waters.

  17. This reminds me of ’68, when Humphrey, the Vice President of the much-despised LBJ, was given the nomination. Now Obama’s step-and-fetch-it boy Biden is groomed to succeed him. The power brokers are blind, once again, to the fury of an electorate that has been so shafted by business as usual. It’s like 2016 was so terrifying to them that it never happened. I suppose it is a step forward that these days they resort to character assassination rather than literal assassination to safeguard their privilege.

    The anti-Humphrey slogan of ’68, “don’t trade the ventriloquist for the dummy,” sums up Biden 2020 as well. The Dems may as well cede the presidency to Trump and be done with it. But if the impossible happens and Biden wins, I wonder how long it will be before he faces impeachment by the Republican Congress (say goodbye to the House after last year’s disgusting performance), for his Ukraine malfeasance, or just for being a half-senile puppet no less unworthy of the White House than the present tenant.

  18. The DNC is afraid that Bernie Sanders will defeat Trump (quite likely, IMHO) and then actually carry out his quasi-socialist, anti-oligarch policies. The Democratic establishment has been quite comfortable with Wall Street since the Clinton Administration and the DNC fears Bernie Sanders will change that;

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @SBaker
  19. Seneca44 says:

    It’s hard to believe that the self anointed best and brightest diversity embracing non-deplorable party can only offer up the likes of Biden and Bernie after having four years to prepare. Interesting times.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  20. @The Scalpel

    This is exactly what a guest on Tucker Carlson said last night (maybe Mark Steyn) about Biden. He is the perfect candidate because he no longer has a mind of his own. The democrat leadership is under no illusions about Biden’s loss of mental faculties. There are plenty of establishment figures to tell him what to do. Are we in Clown World yet?

    • Agree: The Scalpel
  21. @Dweezil the Weasel

    Abrams? Hard to believe. TV is a visual medium. Women with Abrams looks are not a welcome sight in one’s living rooms.

  22. Realist says:

    The fact that anybody votes, let alone votes for any of the brain dead assholes in the Democrat Party…particularly Biden, shows what dire straits this country is in.

    Our problems will not be solve through the electoral process.

  23. Realist says:
    @Biff

    Not Oprah. Stacy “Manatee” Abrams. Take it to the bank. We are in for a VERY entertaining summer.

    That would be a “phoney” or “token” black person for the ticket – you know, just like Obama.

    Any black person would be a token…as is braindead Biden a joke

  24. Realist says:
    @Colin Wright

    This Democrat fiasco is the Deep States way of assuring Trump, one of theirs, a second term.

  25. Rurik says:

    The establishment’s ultimatum: Everyone, get with the program of breaking Bernie and “Go with Joe!” ..

    The word irony just doesn’t cut it. Surreal comes closer.

    We, (the entire world) were just witness to an attempted coup against a duly elected president of the ZUS, because that president had ‘abused the power of his public office by withholding aid to the government of Ukraine’ !

    He had sought a ‘quid pro quo’, from Ukraine, in exchange for tax payer money!

    This was ‘treason’! Trump put our nation and our democracy at risk by delaying critical aid to an ally, who needed those resources to defend itself from Russia’s ‘aggression’ !

    ‘Our nation and the entire free world was put in jeopardy, by delaying aid to Ukraine, and all for personal, suspect motivations!’

    ‘This is high crimes!’ This is abuse of power! This is corruption! We Must impeach!

    Holding up critical aid to an ally fighting for its life, against Russian aggression, is beyond treasonous, especially if there’s a quid pro quo!

    Who did Trump think he was, implying strings were attached to ZUS aid?!

    This is beyond impeachable! Treason! Corruption! Bribery!!!

    ‘We need Joe Biden to rout out corruption, and return dignity and honor to our federal government!

    No more shady, back-room deals with American tax dollars! No more abuse of power!

    • LOL: mark green
    • Replies: @A123
    , @anonymous
    , @NPleeze
  26. TGD says:

    If Biden vs Trump becomes a reality, 2020 would be a good opportunity for a neutral 3rd party candidate to win the election and tame the corrupt duopoly.

    But, of course, that can’t happen. The msm, so necessary to win an election, is itself controlled and corrupt.

  27. A123 says:
    @Rurik

    ‘We need Joe Biden to rout out corruption, and return dignity and honor to our federal government!

    No more shady, back-room deals with American tax dollars! No more abuse of power!

    In the national interest, the current administration wanted crimes and corruption of the former administration investigated.

    Ukrainians (via Burisma) were funneling funds through Hunter Biden to pay for political favors from his father Joe Biden.

    Electing Quid Pro Joe would indicate to the world that the White House is for sale again. Just like Sec. State Hillary laundering Russian money through her foundation in return for State Dept. approval on a Uranium mine transaction.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Rurik
  28. Rurik says:
    @Futurethirdworlder

    why the D establishment are so anti Bernie.

    The putative reason is that he will lose to Trump.

    But clearly Bernie has more of his marbles than Biden, who seems to show early signs of dementia.

    Perhaps you’re right, and Bernie just isn’t hawkish enough to escalate the Eternal Wars for Israel.

    Perhaps they’re afraid he might actually cut into Wall Street, and then of course there’s Big Insurance and Big Phama and Big Oil, MIC, etc… Those boyz all have tie$ to the DNC.

    What if Bernie actually went after the subsidies to Goldman Sachs?!

    I suppose if it’s not pure fear that he’ll lose to Trump, then it might be that Bernie is a bit of a loose cannon, and can’t always be counted on to toe the line. His vote against the ((war on Iraq)) for instance.

    If Bernie picks Tulsi, it could get interesting..

  29. nsa says:
    @Futurethirdworlder

    Corbynizing Bernie, the prototypical leftie jew, is not possible. Trumpstein has the survival instincts of a town dump rat, and will feign sympathy for poor widdle populist Bernie while Corbynizing the whole DNC as “antisemitic” for picking on the lad. Trumpstein is a crypto-jew for a reason…..he knows the jew controls finance, media, and governance and could easily install Bernie as prez, if so inclined. Not possible, you say? The wall street jooies peel 50% off the Dow in September / October and say hello to Prez Bernie and 300 lb First Lady Jane.

  30. Rurik says:
    @A123

    Ukrainians (via Burisma) were funneling funds through Hunter Biden to pay for political favors from his father Joe Biden.

    if you’d have watched the 30 second video, you’d know I was being sarcastic.

    • Replies: @A123
  31. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik, you should stick to histrionics!! and practice the parody offline.

    Did you notice, though, who has already harmonized with your vote-Trump-because-the-other-side-is-worse-sh*t?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  32. @Crazy Horse

    I don’t understand how you see that Trump will wipe the floor with Bernie since Bernie’s poll numbers show him in the lead in any showdown

    The best polls show him with a slight lead nationally but we have an electoral college so it’s a handful of states that will decide.

    The other factor is that current Democrats aren’t hitting him over his past. Trump will go full force on stuff like getting kicked out of a commune for being lazy. I’m not saying that is right or wrong but it will take him down a few notches with independents and market leaning Democrats.

  33. A123 says:
    @Rurik

    I was trying to agree with you….

    Sometimes the internet is an imprecise media. HTML needs a “sarcasm” tag.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    • Replies: @Rurik
  34. nickels says:

    I’m not buying the whole schtick.
    First of all, Bernie is not the slightest bit a ‘socialist’.
    Bernie rarely talks about economics any more, and $15 an hour-whatever.
    Bernie’s thing is pure demagoguery, manipulating identity and promises things to bring himself into power for one reason alone-to satisfy his jewish narcissistic fantasy of tikkun-olam.
    But look at it in reality-he supports ALL the policies of the mega-corporations-diversity, lgbt, open borders, climate hoax, hate speech.
    If Bernie supports all the policies of the Oligarchy, there is one conclusion-he is part of the system of control-even if unwittingly. Its all DIVIDE and CONQUER.
    The left are unwitting neoliberals. They will bargain with the billionaires but NEVER threaten them. Bernie will negotiate a few crumbs for his braindead stoners.
    In the process he will satisfy his narcissistic hero complex and they will think he is their messiah as they smoke his free dope and take it up the bum from 10 guys at the local disco-thinking this is a great substitute for the wholesome (square) middle class family life of their parents.
    Perhaps the DNC is too dumb to realize this. Or peraps they just want an easier puppet to control.
    But Bernie is no theat to them.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon, SBaker
  35. @Futurethirdworlder

    I have to ask myself why the D establishment are so anti Bernie. He isn’t advocating for anything they haven’t been pushing for years and he doesn’t defer much from everyone else in the race so why the animosity?

    This is a really good question .

    I think the answer in the real beliefs of the DC Democrats. I don’t think they actually believe in what they say and worry about someone making big changes to the system. They believe in making incremental changes and lying to the public and worry about someone blowing up the system by pushing too hard.

    I really think just about all US politics come down to race. It’s really a stickler for the establishment and they don’t know what to do about it other than lie and hope that miscegenation eventually fixes everything.

    Boomer Democrats especially have a very hard time with race. It makes them wary of criticism of the system outside the status quo. Even if a national healthcare system would help minorities they are still scared of uncharted territory. They are afraid the system will collapse (along with their 401ks) because Bernie didn’t take race into account. I don’t believe that would happen but this is how they think.

  36. Art says:

    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/1st-a-gabbard-1.jpg?itok=q8x_6lgl

    The Nobility Of Tulsi Gabbard

    … … …

    Tulsi Gabbard may not be in the democratic race much longer, but that’s not because she lacks guts. Indeed, her willingness to buck the system – and her commitment to making the world a less militaristic place – make her a notable candidate. She’s been a noble voice crying in a corrupt and self-serving wilderness.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nobility-tulsi-gabbard

  37. Tulsi has zero chance because of the horse race factor.

    People feel like they are wasting their vote if someone is too far behind.

    Right or wrong that is that way it is.

  38. @Seneca44

    It’s hard to believe that the self anointed best and brightest diversity embracing non-deplorable party can only offer up the likes of Biden and Bernie after having four years to prepare.

    I kept thinking the same thing when watching the debates.

    The libs dominate the schools and these are their best candidates? Liberals have all kinds of television shows where they tell us about how smart and educated they are. Shouldn’t they have a million top tier candidates?

    Something is very wrong with the system if the Democrats are fighting over Sanders and Biden.

    My belief is that the system is so rotten that it turns off the best and brightest and especially the honest. In fact I suspect both parties weed out the honest and intelligent early on. They are scared of people with intelligence calling BS on the whole circus.

  39. ricpic says:

    If the Dems attempt to steal the nomination from Bernie and Milwaukee turns out to be more incindiary than Chicago was in ’68 how does that benefit the Democrat Establishment?

  40. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    Trump-because-the-other-side-is-worse-sh*t?

    Try (once you’ve grown a pair and have the nads to pick a handle) to imagine what a Hillary Supreme Court would be like.

    Or a ‘no-fly’ zone in Syria, where ‘Assad has to go!’

    Try to imagine what a war with Russia would be like.

    Even trying to imagine a Hillary presidency, with that vicious, vile, venal, cackling, corrupt hag hectoring us from every screen in America…

    is beyond the human capacity for masochism, but apparently not sadism..

    .. IOW you doth protest too much.

  41. Rurik says:
    @A123

    I was trying to agree with you….

    please, don’t do me any favors.

    (you’re a known [and tedious] troll ; )

    • Replies: @A123
  42. NPleeze says:
    @JasonT

    Bernie will be Trump and end the most rabid policies of the oligarchs that control both the Dems and Repubs.

    Your Orange Satan hasn’t ended a single one of those polices. Instead he has given trillions in tax cuts to these oligarchs – and used transparent cons to con the useful idiot TrumpTARDs.

  43. NPleeze says:
    @Rurik

    We, (the entire world) were just witness to an attempted coup

    Generally you make some interesting comments, but coup? That’s a TrumpTARD idiocy. They tried to impeach him. Impeachment is nothing like a coup. Consult a dictionary.

    by withholding aid to the government of Ukraine

    Another TrumpTARD fallacy. He was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine to force a (very corrupt) Ukraine to launch a criminal investigation against his political opponent. Even though Ukraine determined long ago that no such criminal investigation was warranted.

    You might think that kind of behavior by the President is fine, but at least give a minimum of effort to portray the facts instead of such utter bile and entirely-missing-the-point diatribe. It’s like saying “He was put in jail simply for firing a gun” and omitting to state that the calculated shot killed his wife.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  44. @MEexpert

    If there is no clear cut nominee, watch out for the consensus candidate – Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    My guess is that Bloomberg has already named her as VP, and that will be her back door in, after Bloomberg resigns due to “health reasons”.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  45. A123 says:
    @Rurik

    (you’re a known [and tedious] troll ; )

    LOL

    Alas, the Anti-Christian/Anti-Jew trolls here echo each other. That means the necessary responses to their trolling can be repetitive and a bit tedious. Letting it pass just encourages high volume ad hominem attacks.

    At least the posting speed limit put in by Mr. Unz has weeded some of the more abusive flood posters.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  46. With three potential nominees. All three are aging white men — Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg…

    Actually, 2 of the 3 are aging Jewish men, and the 3rd is Joe “I’m a Zionist!” Biden, a preposterously pathetic Shabbos goy:
    — ( http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=488 )

  47. @gsjackson

    Tulsi was disappeared by the media.

    In other words, she was Ron Pauled.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  48. Rurik says:
    @NPleeze

    Impeachment is nothing like a coup.

    It depends.

    If they said they were impeaching him for the war crime of bombing Syria, or droning stone age villagers, or assassinating respected leaders, then I’d say fine, impeach him. Remove him from office for high crimes. I’d be on board.

    But impeaching a president for withholding tax payer money, (that Ukraine has no business getting, being as the government there is the result of a ZUS coup, to remove the democratically elected government, and install a stooge, quisling government of the ZUS, via ‘Yats is the guy” Nuland) is nothing less than a continued attempted by the deepstate to thwart the will of the US electorate, and remove a president for lame excuses because they simply hate his guts.

    That’s why it’s been an attempted coup, since day one. As the CIA and FBI and Deepstate and Democrats did everything in their power, including spying on his campaign, and “insurance policies” and a made up bullshit ‘Russia hacked our election’ idiocy, in order to take down an elected president they were ideologically (and otherwise) at odds with.

    An attempted coup.

    for withholding aid to Ukraine to force a (very corrupt) Ukraine to launch a criminal investigation against his political opponent.

    And tell us how that is any different than what Biden did in the video.

    Only it didn’t even approach the level of corruption, because Trump wasn’t demanding they fire a prosecutor looking into corruption, but rather the opposite, and was simply demanding that they actually investigate (notorious) corruption.

    There is also the understandable angst for Trump of having to deal with the ‘Trump works for Putin’ idiocy that hobbled his administration for three years, due to serial, endemic lies and corruption from a deepstate and super-corrupt politicians and law enforcement and intelligence community treasonous scum.

    Why not try to enlist the new president of Ukraine to root out all that putrid rot from the system. The president of Ukraine ran his campaign on ending corruption. Well then, why not investigate some of the worst and most egregious cases of corruption that is glaringly obvious from the Biden/Obama demands that they fire a prosecutor looking into that very corruption? !

    I’m no lover of Trump. But if you’re going to impeach him, do it for something he actually did, (like assassinating a beloved general of a sovereign state) not for something he did that I too would do in a heartbeat. Demand an investigation of the slimy scumbags that were involved in the Ukraine putsch, McCain, Nuland, Brennan, et al). And who were involved with Hillary’s emails, and a thousand other depraved acts of corruption and iniquity.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  49. Pat, you silly old cuck:

    (((Sanders))) and (((Bloomberg)))

    are not “white”….

    they are white-hating ashkenazic Jews.

    • Agree: nickels
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  50. KenH says:

    Look for Biden to put an African American woman on his ticket.

    At first I thought the radical, fire breathing anti-white negress Stacy Abrams would be atop the list but she’s very repulsive not to mention quite ugly. She has little appeal outside of other obese black women who hate whites, so I’m thinking Joe would go with Kamala Harris.

    Abrams already said sometime last year that she wouldn’t be satisfied with being veep.

  51. gsjackson says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Exactly. I remember listening to some radio political pundit, maybe on NPR, around 2011. This national sage noted that Paul was leading in polls for the Republican nomination the following year, and then added: “I think we can all stipulate that Ron Paul is not a viable candidate for the nomination.” I was wondering why we could all stipulate to that, and then it occurred to me to look at the commentator’s last name. That’s about the time I started to get clued in to some things.

    Check out the last names circulating Russiagate. Makes me think Trump might be up to something good, despite bending over backwards to kiss Zio-butt.

  52. NPleeze says:
    @Rurik

    The problem, Rurik, is you are looking at this from a “Ukraine is Russia” perspective. Which matters not one iota for purposes of the US Constitution.

    Impeachment is a legal, constitutional process for removing a president. A coup is an illegal, typically violent process for removing a president. By way of example, Yanukovich could have been easily removed from power via impeachment due to his corruption; but the votes weren’t there, because his political party, also corrupt, had too many votes. Instead, he was removed by coup.

    Impeachment/coup distinction has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you AGREE with the reason for removal of the President. The only question really is, are the President’s acts a “High Crime or MISDEMEANOR”. Note the word MISDEMANOR, which is a petty crime, like speeding. What makes it impeachable is that it was committed by use of his office “High”. In other words, the President can be impeached for any crime in office.

    You happen to agree with Trump withholding aid – but he didn’t withhold it b/c he is against giving aid to Ukraine. Indeed, unlike Obama, who refused to do so, he has provided lethal military aid to Ukraine. No, the problem is he withheld aid he was obligated to provide – i.e., under the Constitution, it was his DUTY to provide it – in order to force Ukraine to open a criminal investigation against Joe Biden. In other words, he interfered with Congress’ lawful (whether or not you agree) laws, in violation of the Constitution, in order to advance his own personal political agenda.

    If you don’t see that as a problem, I have lost all respect for you. Stop looking at it from the Ukraine lens – that has nothing to do with it! It’s about Executive Power! It’s the same as if he withheld Medicare from a patient because the patient voted for a Democrat, even though he is legally obligated to provide that payment.

    Again, I’m not arguing there are not other reasons to impeach Trump – and you have hit among some of them. But that doesn’t mean it was a coup, or that it was done simply for violating the Constitution – it was done for violating the Constitution, against the express will of Congress, in order to benefit his personal fortunes. If that’s not corruption, I don’t know what is.

    • Disagree: Biff
  53. @A123

    (((A123 the hasbara Jew troll))):

    No (((hasbara Jew troll))) has ever admitted being a (((hasbara Jew troll))).

    To hell with what your (((hasbara superiors))) order (((you))) to do — tell us how many shekels (((you))) get paid for posting over 10,000 examples of (((your transparently hasbara Jew troll boiler plate))).

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  54. @Pat Kittle

    (((A123 the hasbara Jew troll))):

    It seems I mistook you for another (((hasbara Jew troll))) who has posted over 10,000 times.

  55. gsjackson says:
    @NPleeze

    Seriously? A corrupt eastern European kleptocracy seeking military aid from the U.S., another failed state resulting from an American coup, is equivalent to a U.S. citizen qualified for Medicare? They have equally valid claims on American tax dollars and Trump has a constitutional “DUTY” not to impede this outflow from the public treasury? Where in the Constitution does it say anything like that?

    You’re right that it’s about executive power. The power to conduct foreign policy, traditionally vested in the executive, in part because he has had to, at least in some measure, articulate foreign policy views before a national electorate. Trump presented a fairly coherent view of foreign affairs in the election and that’s what Americans voted for. The powers that be, who like to conduct foreign policy without any interference from democratic processes, don’t like what Trump said he was going to do, and they have tried to run him out of office EVERY SINGLE DAY since the election. It has been a non-stop coup attempt.

    I can’t imagine there are more than a dozen people on this site who don’t understand the Ukraine situation more or less in those terms. And you come here trying to run these patently absurd Democrat talking points that wouldn’t fool a middle school civics class.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  56. Of what is the establishment terrified?

    That if Sanders is nominated, Donald Trump will crush him in November. And not only will the White House be lost, all hopes of winning the Senate and blocking Trump’s second-term Supreme Court nominees would also be lost.

    Except Hillary Clinton. She is terrified that Sanders will win in November, and that her theft of the Democratic nomination in 2016 will be blamed for Trump’s term of office.

  57. @Haxo Angmark

    Pat knows that they are Jewish……..duh.

    The vast majority of voters don’t distinguish between White and Jewish. They don’t have minority status. Most voters think of Judaism as a religion.

  58. @gsjackson

    Tulsi was disappeared by the media. Same thing, I guess.

    No she just didn’t attract a lot of interest.

    Voters that wanted a woman with went Warren.

    Leftists went to Bernie.

    Beat-Trump voters went with Biden.

    Liberals looking to feel “progressive” went with Buttigieg.

    She was undoubtedly the most reasonable candidate and polled well with independents so of course they got rid of her early.

    Democrats just aren’t that good at picking candidates. Not that Republicans are any better.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  59. It’s also real amusing that some of you put brackets on Bernie as if he needs to be recognized for being part of some shadow group of Jews when Israel would take Trump over him and anyone else running.

    If Sanders actually got the nomination the entire state of Israel would let out a collective OY VEY.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  60. NPleeze says:
    @gsjackson

    A corrupt eastern European kleptocracy seeking military aid from the U.S., another failed state resulting from an American coup, is equivalent to a U.S. citizen qualified for Medicare

    In the sense that in both cases the President is obligated by law to give them money, YES! And that the President can’t refuse to do so to advance his own personal interests, YES!

    Where in the Constitution does it say anything like that?

    Art. II, Section 3, for crying out loud: “he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed“. Whether you like it or not, the law required the payment of the funds. And your Orange Satan wasn’t arguing the law was unconstitutional – instead he secretly (from Congress) withheld the funds while trying to force Ukraine to investigate Biden.

    The power to conduct foreign policy

    The power of the purse is with Congress, and the law required paying the funds. And even if foreign policy were in the purview of the Presidency, he still couldn’t use his office to advance his own personal interests! According to your logic, he could also refuse to send the money to Ukraine unless they gave him $100 million in cash.

    coherent view of foreign affairs in the election and that’s what Americans voted for

    Then sue the fraud ZioNazi for not withdrawing from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., not stopping the war in Yemen. Also the fact is your Orange Satan has in fact paid the money to Ukraine, when it became clear his extortion wasn’t going to work.

    I just can’t handle your high level of partisan idiocy. Get a clue, FFS!

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @fasdf
  61. gsjackson says:
    @NPleeze

    Rank sophistry. If the matter were ever challenged constitutionally, which the Democrats didn’t do when it was at issue during the two months Trump held up the funding, there’s little question that Trump’s powers as commander-in-chief to make decisions affecting the U.S, military posture would prevail over any obligation to take instructions from Congress about it. Congress can declare war; short of that they’re pretty hamstrung in how the military, including military aid, is to be deployed.

    And again, in the real world of what is actually happening as opposed to strained constitutional arguments, Trump campaigned on not continuously provoking a nuclear superpower that can reduce the U.S. to so many radiating bits (leave aside the fact that he keeps doing it; he should have the opportunity to pursue this policy that arguably a majority of the electorate ratified). The insane Deep State, however, seems intent on provoking Russia at every opportunity. We’re supposed to let them get away with it and put a veneer of respectability on the scoundrels’ efforts to make Trump go along with their aggressions?

    Your little impeachment brief assumes the existence of the quid pro quo, or whatever the coup managers finally decided to call it. That was alleged tens of millions of times by pols and dutiful presstitutes, but it was never proved, was it? The only actual evidence that came in was to the contrary.

    You talk about partisan idiocy. You hate “the Orange Satan” so much you can’t see the absurdity of the Democrats being up to their eyeballs in corruption in Ukraine ever since the 2014 coup and trying to run Trump out of office for exactly the kinds of things they’ve been doing. The self-admitted Biden extortion is just the tip of the iceberg. But then that’s what (((they))) do, isn’t it? They accuse others of what they are guilty of, and then amplify the lie in the controlled media. Do you have any idea who your allies are in this debate?

    • Agree: follyofwar, Rurik
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  62. gsjackson says:
    @John Johnson

    Tulsi was the most googled candidate after the first debate. Then Google and presstitutes attendant upon the matter fixed her wagon:

    https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/07/chad-blair-why-is-tulsi-gabbard-really-suing-google/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  63. NPleeze says:
    @gsjackson

    Rank sophistry.

    That’s your juvenile, partisan reading of the Constitution. Your Orange Satan didn’t even make your lame arguments since they would have been laughed at even by most TrumpTARDs. The world “Foreign” doesn’t even appear in Art. II. Congress, on the other hand, has the power to “regulate commerce with foreign nations”, “lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States”, “define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations”, “declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water”, “raise and support armies”, “provide and maintain a navy”, and “make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof”. But, according to you, the Congress lacks money to give military aid to an ally?

    Nobody has ever successfully challenged the power of Congress to provide even non-military foreign aid, and not for lack of effort.

    And even if the President had the dictatorial power you claim he has (but no doubt will deny the moment Sander or the like sits in the Whore House), he certainly can’t exercise it to advance his personal interests.

    Trump campaigned on not continuously provoking a nuclear superpower that can reduce the U.S. to so many radiating bits

    He’s provoked Russia much more than Obama did. Or have you forgotten your beloved Orange Satan pulling out of the nuclear control agreements? As Giraldi points out in a recent article on this site:

    Russian-American relations are at their lowest point since the Cold War and that has largely been due to policies embraced by Donald Trump, to include the cancellation of START and medium range missile agreements. Trump has also approved NATO military maneuvers and exercises right up to the Russian border and has provided lethal weapons to Ukraine, something that his predecessor Barack Obama balked at. He has also openly confronted the Russians in Syria.

    You continue with your senseless blabbering:

    the scoundrels’ efforts to make Trump go along with their aggressions?

    Trump sent the money to Ukraine, you fucking buffoon, before you ever even heard of the scandal, as he got wind that his extortion scheme had been exposed.

    but it was never proved, was it

    It was proved beyond any reasonable doubt. The TrumpTARDs just didn’t care – dictatorship is all good with them as long as “their guy” sits in the Whore House. Of course, like you, they are too stupid to think ahead to when their guy isn’t, and the precedent has been set. Now we have a new principle of law in the US: The President can exercise the power of the US in his own personal interests, it’s all good. We are back to a monarchy.

    The self-admitted Biden extortion is just the tip of the iceberg

    There was no “self-admitted extortion”, Biden was public about what he did (whereas your Orange Satan did it all secretly) and what he did was consistent with official US and EU policy (whereas the Orange Satan’s decision violated US policy). If Biden did use his office to squash an investigation by Ukraine into criminal activity of his son – for which, unlike with Trump’s extortion, there is no actual proof – of course he should be impeached! WTF is wrong with you?

    You are an utter idiot. I’m sorry I wasted my time on just another dimwit on a comment board.

    • Replies: @Biff
  64. @gsjackson

    There is no conspiracy against Gabbard.

    If there was it would have been used against Sanders.

    She was too moderate in her answers for the voters and Warren had locked up feminists that wanted a woman for the sake of one. I also think the DNC/establishment was correctly skeptical that an unknown woman could beat trump.

    The press absolutely hates Sanders and his fan base still carried him along. She didn’t have a fan base and was going into a crowded field.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  65. Kim says:
    @dvorak

    Big Mike as VP? Four years of youtube clips of him adjusting his junk.

  66. Kim says:

    So the aquatic mammal gets the VP slot. Whoever is Prez gets jfked. Aquatic mammal sworn in as 47.

    I can’t see this as anything but a win for the race conscious right. And for ironic comedy in general.

  67. KenH says:

    I forgot that Biden could select Mickey Obama as veep but she’s said several times she’s not interested but I guess that could change. Lots of white lefties and blacks take Trump very personally so I wouldn’t be surprised if she changes her mind since the Democrat strategy will be to get out the negro vote which they failed to do in 2016. The other advantage of blacks voters is they often vote more than once and are still able to vote after they’ve kicked the bucket!

    Trump’s re-election campaign has all the energy and pizzaz of Bob Dole 1996 with their endless talk of GDP growth, more tax cuts and minority pandering on steroids (low black and hispanic unemployment!!!!!!!).

    The debates will probably be arguments over who loves Israel more and who will do more for blacks and POC’s if elected. Trump’s brain dead cultists seem perfectly fine with being 5th class citizens as long as taxes are low and 401K’s are growing.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  68. Biff says:
    @NPleeze

    If Biden did use his office to squash an investigation by Ukraine into criminal activity of his son – for which, unlike with Trump’s extortion, there is no actual proof

    Your stupidity just seemed to go on forever, but I see now it has just climaxed. Does this mean(after your cigarette) that we will never hear from you again?

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  69. @KenH

    Before they are asked, no one says that they want to be Vice President. This is what they are expected to say. But, when the time comes they grab at the offer. I’d be extremely surprised if Ms. Obama did not accept the nominee’s offer, whomever that old man happens to be. Given that the last 3 men standing are all in their late seventies, the thought him croaking in office is too good of an opportunity to pass up.

    As for those growing 401-K’s, seems like coronavirus has put the brakes on that. People are already blaming Trump for his handling of the pandemic. If it gets worse, as many expects predict it will, some microbes out of Wuhan, China could be his undoing.

  70. fasdf says:
    @NPleeze

    You’re such a piece of shit; please end your life as soon as possible.

    • Thanks: Futurethirdworlder
  71. Rurik says:
    @NPleeze

    The problem, Rurik, is you are looking at this from a “Ukraine is Russia” perspective. Which matters not one iota for purposes of the US Constitution.

    does the US Constitution allow for my government to use tax dollars (at least six billion that were admitted to), to subvert a sovereign nation’s democratically elected government in order to install a quisling that will foist a contrived war? Getting untold thousands of people killed?

    While mouthing lies about ‘democracy’, as it foments illegal wars of aggression, treachery, corruption and death?

    Where in the US Constitution does it authorize such behavior?

    Impeachment is a legal, constitutional process for removing a president. A coup is an illegal, typically violent process for removing a president.

    If they removed Trump because they hate his guts, and used lies in order to do so, is that legal?

    For three years all we heard were idiotic lies about ‘Russian hacking’ and ‘Russian collusion’, and an endless litany of lies and hysteria and ‘investigations’ and subpoenas and agenda-driven tantrums by pathetically dishonest, partisan hacks like Adam Schiff. Degrading and demeaning our government and institutions in a depraved act of pure, personal hatred for president Trump.

    To lie about what Trump said on the phone call, (as Adam Schiff blatantly did), is not the act of a Constitutionally authorized impeachment hearing, but rather was a display of unhinged, personal hysterical hatred, unleashed to remove a duly elected president of the ZUS no matter what or how.

    A coup.

    By way of example, Yanukovich could have been easily removed from power via impeachment due to his corruption; but the votes weren’t there, because his political party, also corrupt, had too many votes. Instead, he was removed by coup.

    Yes he was. And it was a coup that was orchestrated by the ZUS State Dept. and enemies from within our own federal government, like John ‘The Bloodstain’ McCain.

    The same group of treasonous rats who fomented the coup in Ukraine, were the same treasonous rats that attempted the coup against Trump. Like Brennan for instance. The former head of the CIA, involved both in the Ukraine coup, (in order to menace Russia for failing to fall in line vis-a-vis Syria), and was deeply involved with the attempted coup against Trump.

    ‘Insurance policies’, and warnings from Chucky Schumer about messing with the ‘intelligence agencies, and how they can get you if they don’t like you, and scumfuck, lying POS at the FBI like Robert Mueller and anti-American POS like Comey, or Peter Strzok or McCabe.

    I remember how they all acted when Trump met with Putin at Helsinki, Finland, spoke with Putin personally, and discussed issues like adults.

    For that these execrable maggots were screeching ‘treason!’

    And you want me to consider their antics the measured and thoughtful actions of honorable men seeking to use America’s Constitutional guidelines to rein in a president who’s ‘off the reservation’?

    If anyone’s been off the reservation, it’s been the scumbags in our government and media, who for decades now have been using the military of the US as their mass-murdering goon, to slaughter and maim millions of innocent men, women and children in the service of America’s premiere enemy; Israel.

    Nothing to worry about, all that, huh?

    Bush and Obama destroy entire nations, while eviscerating our Constitutional civil protections, and it’s all ho-hum. But let Trump ask a foreign head of state, to investigate the corruption that was rampant during Obama’s regime, (and for which Trump’s administration suffered and Zelensky campaigned on doing), and it’s all hell breaks loose.

    There’s just no way there’s any comparison, between what’s been going on, (with NDAA treasons and illegal, murderous aggressive wars all over the planet), vs. Trump asking a guy to investigate the corruption of the regime that was responsible for the Ukraine coup in the first place- the Obama regime.

    Impeachment/coup distinction has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you AGREE with the reason for removal of the President.

    Think about what you just wrote there.

    The only question really is, are the President’s acts a “High Crime or MISDEMEANOR”. Note the word MISDEMANOR, which is a petty crime, like speeding. What makes it impeachable is that it was committed by use of his office “High”. In other words, the President can be impeached for any crime in office.

    the only logical conclusion one can come to from your arguments, is that a US president must be impeached if he’s guilty of speeding. Did you ever demand that Obama be impeached?

    Sure, he destroyed Libya and Syria, but he never went 36 mph in a 35 zone! Or attempted to use the power of his office to effect US politics – unless you include using the FBI and spying and FISA courts and CIA and State Dept. to thwart the will of the American electorate. But surely that is all Constitutional, yes?

    You happen to agree with Trump withholding aid – but he didn’t withhold it b/c he is against giving aid to Ukraine.

    How do you know what was in his mind? The president of Ukraine, (someone who ought to know), has said, in no uncertain terms, that there was no quid pro quo.

    No, the problem is he withheld aid he was obligated to provide – i.e., under the Constitution, it was his DUTY to provide it –

    Ukraine is fully under the control of murderous, imperial Zionists. Enemies of the American people, and the American Constitution. Ukraine is a staging ground for an illegal war of aggression against Russia. A war of aggression that is counter to the interests of the American people, and is the act of murderous, criminal Zionists, who’re hell bent on destabilizing the planet, getting millions more innocent people butchered, and commandeering the government of the United States into waging even more illegal wars of aggression, while subverting the American people’s Constitutional rights.

    This is the context that we’re dealing with. Our congress are whores in the service of an enemy regime. Duh.

    And in this context you’re going to demand that the president is duty-bound by our ((murdered)) Constitution to hand out weapons to rogue nations in order to murder more innocent people, so that it will menace Russia into a corner?

    And if Trump so much as speaks courteously to the Russian head of state, all the minions of our occupied government and media will howl and screech that ‘it’s treasonous, how dare he talk to Putin!!!

    But you would lecture us all that it’s the president’s DUTY to serve the zio-fiend who controls our congress and media in absolute terms, and has used hook and crook to subvert the office of the president since before Trump even took office. Because they’re soooo patriotic and because they all loove the Constitution, huh?

    Oy vey.

    In other words, he interfered with Congress’ lawful (whether or not you agree) laws, in violation of the Constitution, in order to advance his own personal political agenda.

    You say ‘in order to advance his own personal political agenda’, as if you know what was in his heart.

    How do you know for certain, what he was motivated by?

    Are you in a position to claim that you know for certain that Trump asking Zelinsky to investigate corruption, had nothing to do with cleaning up a rat nest of malfeasance and graft and zio-war mongering against Russia?

    Indeed, if we’re to believe the hysterical screeching of Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi and John Brennan, then Trump was most likely trying to advance the agenda of Vlad Putin, by trying to get Ukraine to stop murdering ethnic Russians in Donbas.

    That is if we’re to believe all the people howling for three years that they all knew what was in Trump’ heart, and that he was working for Putin.

    Now, all in the sudden, he isn’t working for Putin anymore, but is specifically trying to thwart the presidential campaign of ‘sleepy Joe’, (whose primary success would seem to me to be the best gift Trump could ask for).

    Or, was he simply trying to get to the bottom of the Obama regime’s uber-corruption? An uber-corruption that has bedeviled his administration since before he came into office.

    I’d consider that as likely as anything else, but the truth is, at the end of the day, I don’t know what was in his heart. And guess what? Neither do you. Or Adam Schiff, lies notwithstanding.

    So to suggest that you know what his motivations were, makes you sound like some partisan TDS lunatic on CNN.

    If you don’t see that as a problem, I have lost all respect for you.

    I suppose I’ll have to find some way to live with that.

    Stop looking at it from the Ukraine lens – that has nothing to do with it!

    It has everything to do with it. Ukraine is ground zero for ZUS treachery and sabre rattling at Russia. (a very bad idea).

    Trump has intimated that he’d like a rapprochement with Putin’s Russia. That would be a very smart, statesman-like thing for Trump to work towards.

    But the main obstacle to that, (other than the obvious fact that the ZUS is zio-occupied), is that the ZUS has installed zio-scum at the highest levels of power in Ukraine. And what that zio-scum wants, is a full blown war between Russia and Ukraine, that will get millions of Christian goyim on each side slaughtered.

    Such a deal!

    (this is the context of this whole stinking affair)

    It’s about Executive Power! It’s the same as if he withheld Medicare from a patient because the patient voted for a Democrat, even though he is legally obligated to provide that payment.

    Ignoring uber-corruption from the Obama regime that tried to subvert his campaign and presidency, reluctant to hand lethal aid to a murderous regime that’s trying to drag Russia into a wider war = withholding Medicare from an American citizen?

    for violating the Constitution, against the express will of Congress, in order to benefit his personal fortunes. If that’s not corruption, I don’t know what is.

    This entire farce has worked it’s way though Congress. Are you suggesting that Congress subverted its own will? Or that the will of the House, trumps the will of the Senate?

    Did not the Senate, vote to acquit?

    And if so, did not that vote express the will of the Congress? (even if Adam Schiff and Nadler and Schumer and Pelosi and the (((media))) [and yourself, apparently], were not happy about that vote?)

    It’s because I suspect that you participate here in good faith, that I don’t mind taking the time to write a rambling screed to point out my perspective. It’s a perspective that I also consider is held in good faith.

    The problem, (as I see it), is that there really is something called TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) out there. And many people I respect, (like Dr. Giraldi, for instance), suffer from it.

    It skews their perspective, and caused knee-jerk reactions to current events.

    I also saw it with Obama. Some people simply hated the man’s guts, regardless of the soundness (of lack there of) of his policies. It was enough that Obama did this or that, to make it terrible.

    I didn’t go for that when it was Obama, and I don’t go for it now, that it’s Trump.

    Both men are flawed. Both men serve Zion, at the direct expense of the American people (up to and including the very lives of Americans, squandered in the slavish service of Zion – America’s enemy).

    So it gets complicated.

    Our Constitution is dead. It’s all a farce and a charade now. They assassinate American citizens by drone when they consider it convenient to do so. They wage illegal wars of aggression, based on obvious lies. They’ve opened our borders, and sat by as American citizens are raped and robbed and butchered by invading orcs. And all to the giddy pleasure of the enemies of the American people, who now own our congress and media in absolute terms.

    Gitmo is a torture camp. America openly operates a torture facility, to torture and menace innocent men who don’t want zion’s goons murdering and occupying their nations.

    And considering that, you’d still want to pour over the minutia of the Constitution, to glimmer the esoteric meanings behind nuanced subtleties over whose branch of Congress’s interpretation of the president’s intent, is more salient?

    • Agree: gsjackson
    • LOL: NPleeze
    • Replies: @gsjackson
  72. Rurik says:
    @John Johnson

    There is no conspiracy against Gabbard.

    and there was no conspiracy against Ron Paul either.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  73. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Thanks, Rurik, for taking the time to set all this out so well. It’s probably lost on your TDS-stricken interlocutor, but for anyone open to truth it really helps put the impeachment farce in its full context.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  74. NPleeze says:
    @Biff

    Yeah, so show us the “proof” that Biden had the prosecutor fired because of Hunter (and that he knew that the prosecutor’s successor would not continue this prosecution). Not innuendo, not that it did in fact benefit his son (since every policy might benefit any politician), but actual proof that he did it because of Hunter. And not just some self-serving statement from that very corrupt prosecutor after Trump got to him (which was too late anyway given Biden was no longer in office).

    And then tell me why it’s anyone’s fault but Republicans if Biden wasn’t impeached. Is it the fault of folks like me, who want the Constitution to have meaning? Is that your argument, TrumpTARD?

    Go ahead, TrumpTARD. You call others stupid when you fabricate stupid shit, lie, and distort.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  75. Wally says:
    @The Scalpel

    “Just goes to show that all the “establishment” wants is an empty suit to front for them”

    Indeed. they had exactly that for 8 years in Obama.

  76. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    I appreciate your words of encouragement, gsjackson.

    I see my ‘interlocutor’ has mocked my humble efforts, but I also agree the poor soul does suffer (as so many do!) from a myopic form of TDS. They can’t see beyond their hate. It’s personal for them.

    Rationality goes out the window.

    Thanks..

  77. anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, those nefarious Russians must have hacked all the primaries yesterday because the results make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I can see the super conservative southern states going for the gibbering reactionary Biden, but for the ultra-liberal states of Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Maine to back the loopy, crooked, warmongering neocon Biden (and for far out California to nearly do so as well) all changing their political orientation within a window of approximately 72-96 hours absolutely defies all precedent and reason. Before the weekend, Bernie supposedly had a lead in all of the 14 states except for maybe 3 or 4 deep southern states, not including Virginia or NC. Days later CNN is raving about the miraculous comeback of the man without a brain, as if loyal Dems were suddently attracted to his pugnacious senior dementia.

    I don’t know if the Dems realise they just ensured Trump’s re-election by pulling this stunt. Bloomberg coming from out of nowhere without a track record would have been more plausible than the fraud perpetrated yesterday. Maybe the insider string pullers plan to sadly lose Dopey Joe to Covid-19 after his running mate is firmly ensconced after the convention, because I can’t see anyone trusting that bozo to run this country, seriously. Though widely reviled, Trump is a known quantity who has never demonstrated that anyone but Deep State insiders are really running national policy, especially foreign policy. I say the computer servers used to simulate human voting patterns and generate those colorful maps stick with the BadOrangeMan over Dopey Joe, unless Bloomberg is the VP candidate and owns those servers.

    • Agree: Biff
  78. Rurik says:
    @NPleeze

    Yeah, so show us the “proof” that Biden had the prosecutor fired because of Hunter

    Some people are suggesting that Kim Foxx, the Cook County district attorney who dropped all the charges against Jussie Smollett, might have had a conflict of interest in doing so.

    Kim Foxx: “I did not have a conflict of interest in this case; only a sincere desire to serve the community..”

    Is there any reason why we shouldn’t take her at her word?

    What possible reason would she have had for dropping the charges?

    And in a similar vein, what possible reason would Joe have for wanting to see a prosecutor, investigating a notoriously corrupt Burisma, (who paid his drug-abusing son over $700,00.00 for doing nothing but having his name on the board, who couldn’t speak the language, or had any knowledge of their business or operations).

    Just as I think we should all give Kim Foxx the benefit of doubt, (certainly her only motivation was a sincere desire to serve the community), we certainly must give Joe the benefit of doubt as well, because that billion dollars was no doubt needed to prevent Russian aggression from over-taking our plucky ally.

    But then, if it damaged our national security, to hold up the funds.. as they screeched about Trump, well then, why doesn’t the same thing apply to Joe and the billion dollars?

    Let’s see here. Joe held up the funds, because a prosecutor was bad (investigating the corruption of Burisma), and so to keep America safe, he had to demand that the prosecutor be fired.

    OK, I think I got it.

    But then by holding up the funds, Joe was putting our national security in imminent peril! (according to the TDS narrative).

    So this all gets mighty confusing.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  79. @NPleeze

    You win on clarifying the difference in meaning between an impeachment and a coup. When Rurik used the word coup in reference to the impeachment of Trump I immediately inferred that he was using it to convey his description of a political act of theatre that was so outrageous, undemocratic in spirit and against the will and best interests of the American people. I did not even consider for a moment that he was referring to an actual armed rebellion on the Potomac.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • LOL: gsjackson
    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  80. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik, please. He’s just a lonely sentry on the abandoned fortress of constitutional integrity. You keep trying to confuse matters with all this geopolitical mumbo-jumbo. It’s a very simple matter: Did Trump go 36 in a 35 mph zone, or did he not? And if he did, his criminal intent to do so can be inferred — beyond all reasonable doubt — from the fact that he did in fact do it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  81. @Rurik

    and there was no conspiracy against Ron Paul either.

    Correct as there never needs to be a conspiracy against libertarians.

    The majority don’t want to legalize hard drugs or open the border.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Rurik
  82. The democrats are so desperate to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, they are willing to lose with Biden.

  83. @The Scalpel

    Trump is going to have a field day.

  84. Thomasina says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Exactly, via the back door with either Biden or Bloomberg. Biden steps down due to dementia and – voila – the hag is in!

  85. Thomasina says:

    I actually think that Bernie Sanders has never been serious about winning. He just rallies the troops. Witness how easily he folded in 2016 and then quickly wrapped his arms around Hillary Clinton. His job was to bring voters over to the Democrat side.

    He totally went along with the Russiagate hoax, and he’s currently embracing the “Russia is trying to get you or Trump elected” narrative.

    Some say Bernie doesn’t aggressively attack those who smear him (Warren, Biden, Hillary) because he’s just a “nice guy”. I don’t believe this. I think his role was never to get the job.

    If Bernie had been serious about getting the job, his platform would be totally different. He wouldn’t have embraced open borders, free health care for all, including illegals. No way that type of stuff sells to the majority. He’s not serious. His platform almost appears to be designed to turn people “away” from him.

    The elites will take either Biden or Bloomberg (with Clinton as VP) or Trump, but Bernie is just a side show to make it LOOK like there is a choice.

    There is no choice.

    • Agree: Futurethirdworlder
    • Replies: @Futurethirdworlder
  86. Biff says:
    @John Johnson

    The majority don’t want to legalize hard drugs or open the border.

    Just goes to show that people in large groups are nothing but trouble.

  87. @MEexpert

    Yep, he sure did either forget or exclude Tulsi, as with the MSM (mostly excluding). And she’s a person of color (American Samoan), so she could have been counted in that section of his article, as well.

  88. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    He’s just a lonely sentry on the abandoned fortress of constitutional integrity.

    Yes, it seems so.

    He goes on about the Constitution!, this or that, when we all know only congress can authorize wars, (or coin our money, another responsibility they’ve catastrophically (((out-sourced))) along with their souls), and yet look at what’s been going on in the world for the last seventy years. We’re now in a time of ((Endless Wars)). And none of them are Constitutionally authorized. Our congress are a den of cowardly snakes and traitors, who don’t want to vote on wars, because then they’ll be in between their constituents, (who don’t want the wars), and their (((donors))), who demand the wars, so they figure their best option has been to slither in the crevices of cowardice, and defer to the president.

    The Constitution is dead.

    Just consider Affirmative Action, and what the founders would think of telling American citizens, that all white men (no matter how poor or disadvantaged) are to be officially considered second class citizens in the United States – behind all first-class citizens (and non-citizen) people of color, including any Mexican or Muslim (and anyone else) that got to these shores yesterday.

    If your ancestors fought in the Revolutionary war, and bled the ground at Lexington and Concord, to oust the British tyrant, and create a free nation of free men, then today you’re to be discriminated against in every way possible, and denied Fourteenth Amendment guarantees of ‘Equal Protection under the Law’, because your heritage is European, and so you’re a second class citizen, without Constitutional protections. The playing field is to be officially tilted against you, (in your “own” country), and the federal government is going to pick winners and losers, based on skin color and gender- and (racist) white men are to lose.

    If the founders were told this would be their legacy, they might have shot the man saying so, as a liar and a scoundrel. Such are the depths of the depraved racial spoils system today in the good ol’ ZUS of A.

    The Constitution, as it was conceived and written and codified in blood, is as mutually exclusive to Affirmative Action, as Jesus Christ is mutually exclusive to iniquity and injustice.

    They are hard contradictions, and impossible to reconcile in an honest mind.

    So what that’s done, is forced a kind of ubiquitous dishonesty (moral and intellectual rot, as Rurik is wont to put it ; ) in our collective discourse and institutions, where we all pretend that the Constitution still exists, even as it’s most precious tenets and principles are given the status of used toilet paper.

    But muh Constitution!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @MEexpert
  89. Rurik says:
    @John Johnson

    and there was no conspiracy against Ron Paul either.

    Correct…

    Didn’t I once call you an imbecile?

    …as there never needs to be a conspiracy against libertarians.

    The majority don’t want to legalize hard drugs or open the border.

    Ron Paul was never for open borders. Not even close.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/787/gradescoresheet

    In fact, Ron Paul is the only statesman-like politician (and honest man of iron integrity) this country has been blessed with in generations.

    It says far more about the American electorate’s craven gullibility, mental docility, and general imbecility, than it says about Dr. Paul – that somehow his message of peace and Constitutional principles, (in spite of the corrupt GOP, and endemic (((media))) campaign to marginalize him) never took off in this nation of abject sheep.

    He’s a thousand times the man that sit in the Oval Office today is. And ten thousand times the men of the GOP, combined.

    He has more integrity in his pinky finger than the entirety of the United States Congress, Supreme Court, Ivy Towers, and Dept. of Education, ‘Intelligence agencies, and federal government pigs at the trough ~ combined.

    There should be a law against imbeciles even mentioning his name. But then his libertarian ideals, would chastise me for even j0king about such a thing.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @John Johnson
  90. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    (((They))) didn’t just marginalize Ron Paul, they ridiculed him. Sacha Baron Cohen, a vulgar “comedian” who recently appeared before the ADL and called for internet censorship to combat “antisemitism” and “hate,” did his best to humiliate Paul in one of the Borat movies.

    I suspect he got his marching orders from above, and Paul wasn’t randomly selected as just another stuffy, uptight pol, which was the frame Cohen attempted to put him in. Render him uncool, and undermine any appeal his ideas might have to young people — sounds like instructions straight from central planning.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Rurik
  91. @NoseytheDuke

    actual armed rebellion on the Potomac

    I believe the impeachment sedition was very much an armed rebellion.

    Its weapons were the most powerful since the beginning of history: the control of people’s minds through mass media. In the past many military actions were conducted or inspired by the dictates of phony churches. Now by control of the airwaves. Television, newspapers, and internet have far more firepower than many guns and generals. If they are backed by rogue, politicized intelligence agencies and judiciary committee, so much the better for the insurrectionists. A soft coup was attempted by the likes of Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Brennan, Bezos, Mueller and many others. It failed because the political balance and a few shreds of law we still have left favored the President. As mass demographics change, we may not be so fortunate in the future.

    Mind control remains the chief means of revolution and subjugation. Hence Thomas Jefferson’s vow: “for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @SBaker
  92. gsjackson says:
    @gsjackson

    Correction: Cohen was playing “Bruno” when he tried to punk Paul, not Borat.

  93. @Thomasina

    Agreed. People also seem to think that he is deeply commited to his communist beliefs but the pussyfooting and flipflopping that you mentioned belie that idea.

  94. MEexpert says:
    @Rurik

    behind all first-class citizens (and non-citizen) people of color, including any Mexican or Muslim (and anyone else) that got to these shores yesterday.

    You must be talking about some other country. If Muslims are considered “first-class citizens” in this country, somebody forgot to tell them. In this country, to be a first-class citizen, you have to be a modern-day “semite.”

    • Replies: @Rurik
  95. Rurik says:
    @gsjackson

    They ignored, marginalized, mocked, ridiculed, and out-right cheated.

    His biggest enemy was the GOP machine. But the (((media))) was fully on board to destroy any hope for his campaign.

  96. Rurik says:
    @MEexpert

    If Muslims are considered “first-class citizens” in this country

    Not if the Muslim is a white man, that’s true.

    Affirmative Action is based on your skin color (and other things). If you’re white, then all steps must be taken to prevent your hiring, or promotion, or admission to a university, until every minority that can be found to fill the spot, is hired or promoted or given admission until there’s racial/gender parity.

    It was originally intended to get more blacks into the work place, (or so they said), but now it’s used (in one form or another) to fuck over whitey at every opportunity.

    If you’re an Arab or Somali or other non-white Muslim, you’re golden to move to the front of the line in front of whitey.

    Somali Muslim Mohammed Noor, for instance, was a notorious case of Affirmative Action in practice.

    http://www.minneapolismn.gov/civilrights/civil-rights_affirmative-action-plan

    “Minneapolis police have about half the black and Hispanic officers they need to accurately reflect the city’s population, records show. This comes despite years of diversity plans, legal action and a federal mediation agreement sparked by low levels of minority representation within the police,” the Star Tribune reported.

    http://www.startribune.com/despite-wave-of-retirements-mpls-police-struggle-to-hire-diverse-force/271772331/

    Noor was ‘fast tracked’ though the police training program, and had known psychological issues.

  97. Rurik says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Jefferson’s vow: “for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

    I agree with your comment and love that quote!

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  98. SBaker says:

    Bernie is the communist establishment. Just because he is an old Jewish Marxist with 40 years as a professional politician doesn’t make him the least bit unlike any other career commie. He is full to the brim with anger and envy like every psychopath that ever rose to power.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  99. SBaker says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    I believe the impeachment sedition was very much an armed rebellion.

    Its weapons were the most powerful since the beginning of history: the control of people’s minds through mass media. In the past many military actions were conducted or inspired by the dictates of phony churches. Now by control of the airwaves. Television, newspapers, and internet have far more firepower than many guns and generals. If they are backed by rogue, politicized intelligence agencies and judiciary committee, so much the better for the insurrectionists. A soft coup was attempted by the likes of Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Brennan, Bezos, Mueller and many others. It failed because the political balance and a few shreds of law we still have left favored the President. As mass demographics change, we may not be so fortunate in the future.

    Mind control remains the chief means of revolution and subjugation. Hence Thomas Jefferson’s vow: “for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

    Top comment of 2020. I salute you and look for more. If not the new media Trump would have been overthrown.

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  100. SBaker says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Bernie is a Jewish commie. How is he not an oligarch or were you being sarcastic?

  101. @Rurik

    Ron Paul was never for open borders. Not even close.

    You have a funny habit of calling me names and then I correct your ignorance.

    Maybe you should drop the arrogance and ask if you aren’t sure of something?

    As in our country’s first 150 years, there shouldn’t be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work – Ron Paul

    Then he later changed his position to blaming the US welfare state under the assumption that we wouldn’t have immigrants if there weren’t incentives. But what if some Central American state collapses? They still wouldn’t come? Of course they would. But he is still trying to stick to the libertarian belief that everything would be fine if not for the government.

    Libertarians are for open borders and legal heroin because that is what their god Ayn Rand told them. I’ll believe he is no longer for open borders when he disavows the libertarian cult entirely.

    Anyone who thinks legalizing heroin and crack are a good idea shouldn’t be near any type of government policy. People who believe in libertarian non-sense haven’t researched Ayn Rand. She was a psycho meth using hypocrite that wanted open borders for the US but not for Israel. Funny that.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  102. Rurik says:
    @John Johnson

    I never saw that quote by Ron Paul, and I would have never supported (very passionately) his campaign for potus, if he wasn’t sane on the immigration issue.

    Anyone who thinks legalizing heroin and crack are a good idea shouldn’t be near any type of government policy. People who believe in libertarian non-sense haven’t researched Ayn Rand. She was a psycho meth using hypocrite that wanted open borders for the US but not for Israel. Funny that.

    OK, I’ll retract my (perhaps hasty) insults, since it appears you’re participating in good-faith.

    (something that’s very difficult to determine, on a forum such as this, where trolling has become an art form).

    >>><<<

    No one has the right to tell me, (a free adult) what I can or am allowed to put in my body. My body is mine. 100%, non-negotiable. If I want to walk up to a cliff on a remote ocean shore, and blow my brains out, and become shark food, then guess what? They're my brains. Period.

    Is there anything about that simple and obvious truth that you don’t understand or would disagree with?

    Because I find there are a lot of wannabe little fascists out there, who would tell me that as a free adult, I still have to wear a seatbelt or put on a helmet, or else the thugs of the state will use force, to remind me who’s boss. Who owns me. (state property)

    I have little use for such fascists, and mock them at every opportunity.

    As for hard narcotics, they sell rat poison at the hardware store, to anyone who wants to buy it.

    But it’s up to us all, if we want to eat it ourselves.

    Pushing drugs onto children, is for me, the same as putting rat poison in their food. A heinous crime, for which there ought to be very harsh punishment.

    But if I (as an adult) know it’s rat poison, and I go out into the forest, were coyotes and crows can clean up, and I eat it myself, then it’s my life, not yours or the states, to tell me what I can or can’t do with it. My life, my body, my brains, my mind, are entirely mine, to use and do with as I please. So long as I harm no one in the process.

    I’m not sure how well that aligns with Ms. Rand’s objectivism, (and there are many things she said, which were profoundly true, like her points about sound money), but generally, I agree with you vis-a-vis her hypocrisy when it came to holding contradictions and compromises with her philosophy.

    I simply take what she said that was good, and agree, while repudiating what she said was in error.

    No cult of personality, no personal rancor towards her. Just a simple, honest assessment of what is true and what’s not.

    Which brings me to hard narcotics. I grew up being told that marijuana was an evil drug. That is had cost America the war against the commies in Viet Nam, and was the underlying cause of the societal breakdown of the American way of life. Anyone who experimented with it, was wrong and participating with evil, for doing so, and that marijuana use would lead directly and inexorably to heroin, and a junkie’s depraved death.

    That’s what I was harangued with, growing up in a conservative, Christian household in the Midwest.

    But I soon discovered that this was lie, and that many people I knew, smoked weed, and never became junkies or commies or anything like that. So I became cynical, because everyone I trusted, was telling constant lies.

    This is the problem with hard narcotics. No where, anywhere in the culture, does anyone tell the truth, about anything. It’s all lies, 24/7 / 364. Agenda-driven lies, so that young people, simply have no where to go, to find the truth, about anything.

    Just imagine if our society was telling the truth about opioids and fentanyl and all the dangerous narcotics that are killing people right and left. Instead, we watched our TVs and saw ads talking about how wonderful all these pain killers, were. And not a peep out of the Surgeon General or our government agencies about how these deadly drugs were a looming and growing pandemic, because telling the truth was inconvenient to the respective agenda$.

    And it’s the same with everything across the board, in our lied-to society, of liars and shills and rotten cum stains, all seeking to bolster their bottom line$, even at the cost of thousands of young American’s lives. So nowhere, can young people go to find the truth about anything.

    If we told people the truth about cocaine and heroin and meth and fentanyl, I consider it highly unlikely that young people would go down that tragic path. Why would they?! It leads to misery and despair and death.

    But since it’s impossible for adults to tell the truth, about anything, if the truth might upset their agendas, they’ve doomed young people into a cynical place where they think (understandably), that if an adult is talking, they telling agenda-driven lies. And so just like the lies I was told about marijuana, or the lies they tell about opioids, young people simply don’t believe one word they’re told, and then are susceptible to the dangers out there. Which they wouldn’t be, if somehow, though some miracle, people would tell them the truth.

    It’s a terrible shame.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  103. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    because telling the truth was inconvenient to the respective agenda$.

    And it’s the same with everything across the board, in our lied-to society, of liars and shills and rotten cum stains, all seeking to bolster their bottom line$, even at the cost of thousands of young American’s lives. So nowhere, can young people go to find the truth about anything.

    just saw this quote at WRH

    “There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid $150 for keeping honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should allow honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, I would be like Othello before twenty-four hours: my occupation would be gone. The man who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street hunting for another job. The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an ‘Independent Press! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” ~John Swinton (1829–1901) was a Scottish-American journalist, newspaper publisher, and orator

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