“The unjust conceives wickedness in his heart, for there is no fear of God before his eyes;
He is unwilling to see his sins forgiven or to hate them… He plots trouble while on his bed; he sets himself on a way that is not good; he does not reject evil” Psalms 36:1-4

The religious can’t understand that morality wasn’t invented by religion, and conscience doesn’t disappear in religion’s absence.
They equate being good with fear of punishment after death – an impoverished and childish view.

I find the supposition one man created this horrific destruction and atrocity an affront to my intelligence. In fact, I firmly believe this was a black op instigated at the very top of the banking fraternity, business ceo’s and political food chain. I also commiserate with the American nation at the demise of the political and legal systems by foreign and domestic terrorists.

I don`t find his actions strange, I find it strange that people keep on struggling with life day after day

The real question is what turned Paddock into a psychopath without conscience or a moral code that would scream to him that what he was planning was pure evil.

The heritability of psychopathy. Paddock’s father was a serial bank robber and according to some sources diagnosed as a psychopath, so the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I still believe there was a possible political motive and perhaps time will tell.

I don’t know if Jesus juice would have prevented Paddock from committing this mass shooting although I won’t discount it. It didn’t stop Jim Jones and his flock from committing mass suicide nor did it stop good Christian boy Charles Whitman in the 1960’s when American life was for more centered around Christianity and the church than it is now.

America has become an atomized, materialistic hellhole where life seems devoid of meaning. America is no longer a nation but a global plantation, so this is what you get.

The religious can’t understand that morality wasn’t invented by religion, and conscience doesn’t disappear in religion’s absence.
They equate being good with fear of punishment after death – an impoverished and childish view.

When one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, John von Neumann, was facing death from a terminal disease his early 50’s he called in a Benedictine Catholic priest to talk with, to hear his confession, and to give him absolution. How childish that this genius, this “monster mind” (to use the Feynman’s description of him) didn’t realize how childish this all was. And he went into eternity clinging to such childishness. So sad. Same story with Gödel, Riemann, Cauchy, Pascal,… So sad the greatest minds of Western civilization couldn’t grasp the childishness of such thinking.

You go out of this world alone. And you will remain this way for eternity if you chose to do so.

“Dylan Roof before his sickening atrocity at the black church in Charleston…….”

Just had to throw that bone to the left huh? What Roof did was no more of a “sickening atrocity” than that of any other mass murderer. A black (or Jewish) life has no more value than a White or Asian one. Even poor old Pat can’t help cucking out.

On any day Las Vegas has gatherings of hundreds or thousands of people at a time; conventions, concerts, the strip, casino floors. And yet Paddock (and others?) chose what is probably the Whitest gathering of people one could find; a country music festival.

History will show that he was either a Muslim convert or a leftist. And the fact that the media is running with the story that he did it because of something ridiculous like a gambling debt, a valium addiction or because his old man was a bank robber and scam artist means that they are complicit in the act.

Thanks to wayfarer for leaving these links in another thread:

https://youtu.be/YZ6EaATQ3tI

and

Perhaps compulsive gambler Paddock needed money, and he was thinking he could make some quick cash selling weapons. He rented the second room for his client, and he brought a selection of merchandise to show.

To say there was a conspiracy in no way means that this horrible event didn’t happen. Spreading ridiculous fake conspiracy theories serves to discredit all conspiracies as “fake news”. The lone nut explanation for these tragedies is threadbare.

Remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the 1963 JFK assassination was a conspiracy, but they declined to name the perpetrators.

Network and cable TV anchors and correspondents stampeded to Las Vegas to dig into his background and motivation.

Don’t need to go to Las Vegas to discern Paddock’s motivation.

A decent investigator would first check Paddocks’s postings on social media, his notes, his medical doctors, and his recent correspondence with buds and girl friends.

Paddock didn’t reside in Las Vegas, so why would any serious investigator stampede to Las Vegas?

According to Wikipedia:

In 2016 he moved 2,400 miles (3,900 km) west across the country from Melbourne, Florida,[5] to a new retiree home in Mesquite, Nevada,[19] about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.[5] According to property records, he bought a single-family home there in 2013.[17] For several years, he lived with his girlfriend in a retirement community in Reno, Nevada in addition to his home in Mesquite.[17]

Don’t hold your breath waiting for broadcast media to reveal the shooters true motivations.

Broadcast media report only the facts that support their agenda.

Where there is no God, the demons run free.
Welcome to America.

Jesus juice didn’t stop Jim Jones? Well, I guess:

“By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as “fly away religion”, rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a “Sky God” who was no God at all… Jones also began preaching that he was the reincarnation of Gandhi, Father Divine, Jesus, Gautama Buddha and Vladimir Lenin. ”

“He asked himself ‘How can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church.’”

In the first place, the press–and you Mr. Buchanan–simply assume that Paddock was the trigger man. He may well have been. But we have been presented with no, zero evidence of his having been the shooter, aside from some staged photos showing him lying dead on the floor in a pool of his own blood amidst some assault rifles in a scene straight out of a Mathew Brady photograph of the Confederate dead behind their breastworks, which Brady admitted he had spiced up by placing muskets aslant and so on.

Every story from the new media is of the “How long have you been beating your wife” variety. To repeat; Paddock may have been the shooter, but we have been presented with no evidence that this is indubitably true. I prefer to withhold judgement until such evidence has been made public.

Meanwhile, the press has examined every trivial detail of his background by interviewing neighbors and casual acquaintances but has for some reason neglected to tell us vital facts such as whether the ballistics (e.g. caliber) of bullets recovered outdoors match those of the rifles in the hotel room. Instead, we are given descriptions of the “sniper’s nest” and told that there was one, no, make that two, no make that twelve “bump” mechanisms fitted to rifles. Did inspection of the room turn up footprints, fingerprints or DNA of persons other than Paddock? What have been the results of looking at footage taken from the security cameras in the hallways? Show us the footage of him lugging the rifles past the front desk. What kind of car did he drive? Was it still in the hotel lot after the shooting? What did room service see when they brought him his meals?

I dislike being led around by my emotions. Give me some evidence that I can sink my teeth into.

Mr. Buchanan mentions Charles Whitman but not the likely cause for his rampage. For up to a year before he climbed the Texas Bell Tower and began his killing spree, Whitman had sought medical attention for disabling headaches and violent impulses. He was prescribed aspirin and advised to think good thoughts. An autopsy later revealed he had an aggressive brain tumor impinging on precisely those areas of the brain controlling violent impulses.

We are now learning that Mr. Paddock’s descent into uncharacteristic behaviors is relatively recent and that he would lie in bed moaning in pain and despair. (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/vegas-shooter-s-girlfriend-says-he-would-lie-bed-moaning-n808156) All this suggests to me that Paddock, like Whitman, may have been influenced by organic damage to his brain that made him susceptible to violent impulses, possibly to a degree that would reduce his criminal liability.

However, it is social and cultural influences that determine how violent impulses will be expressed. In Indonesia persons once ran amok, in Viking lands there were berserkers, in Japan people commit suicide, in southern Italy women dance variations of the Tarentella. There is some cultural poison in the modern US that drives individuals suffering from brain diseases like those of Whitman and Paddock to commit mass murder.

Johnny, what many felt pushed the Dylan Roof murders into another place was the fact that he accepted their invitation to join them in prayer and study for an hour. He then shot down these same people. Not quite the same as shooting unknowns at a 100 or 1000 yards.

Pat, do you really believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy? It’s not contra your point in this essay, which I agree with, but you are a smart guy and you have been near the seat of power in that era.

“I firmly believe this was a black op instigated at the very top of the banking fraternity, business ceo’s and political food chain.” — Highlander

I agree with Highlander that this was a kind of black op, done by professionals, but I have no belief or knowledge as to the chain of command that organized the atrocity and that probably organizes all such events, including the false flags in Europe.

“Mr. Buchanan mentions Charles Whitman but not the likely cause for his rampage. For up to a year before he climbed the Texas Bell Tower and began his killing spree, Whitman had sought medical attention for disabling headaches and violent impulses. He was prescribed aspirin and advised to think good thoughts. An autopsy later revealed he had an aggressive brain tumor impinging on precisely those areas of the brain controlling violent impulses.

“We are now learning that Mr. Paddock’s descent into uncharacteristic behaviors is relatively recent and that he would lie in bed moaning in pain and despair. … All this suggests to me that Paddock, like Whitman, may have been influenced by organic damage to his brain that made him susceptible to violent impulses.”

— Jus’ Sayin’

I think that Pat Buchanan prefers an explanation that reflects his {Pat’s] particular world-view. Although Pat often has valid and interesting points to make, his columns. taken as a whole, express his world-view that there are dangerous “post-Christian” individuals running loose in this “post-Christian world,” intent upon destruction.

What about if not the utter madness, then anyway the madness-making, of nuclear weapons, nuclear terrorism, “Mutually Assured Destruction,” including the recently popularized doctrine of the ethical imperative of a First Strike Policy?

What is the rational answer? Oh, yes, it’s the libertarians’ NAP …

Jonestown was an entire op by the CIA. Quite amazing, really. Poor Leo Ryan had no idea what he was up against.

Of course there’s much more than the libertarians’ NAP … there’s the entire edifice of Just War Theory, jus ad bellum, etc., through which rational Christians or other rationalists desperately cling to their sanity.

In “The Brothers Karamazov,” novelist Fyodor Dostoevsky has his character Ivan say, “If God is dead, all things are permissible.”

and yet, the priest’s body nevertheless started to smell

and in Crime and Punishment, Raskolnikov is murderously attacked by his fellow prisoners because they suspect he doesn’t believe in God

a post-Christian man in a post-Christian age, a monster.

one does not follow from the other

you draw parallels Pat, that simply are not there

Yet, we are going to see more such men, for we no longer have a convincing answer to that oldest of questions, “Why not?”

Why not? Because humans are not predisposed to mass-murder. Not hardly. Religion or no religion. It’s isn’t the fear of God that keeps men from slaughtering innocent people willy-nilly. That’s absurd. Humans are social animals like dogs, and are generally congenial to their own nation or pack, and hostile to ‘others’ for obvious reasons of survival.

What has happened to the modern human is that they’ve become immersed in nations that considers them the ‘other’. Alienated in their own countries. Outcasts in their own lands.

That’s why white men are snuffing it in record numbers, because they’ve been demonized, and some of them have internalized that self-loathing into a hatred of others who look like them.

This seems to be the case with Paddock.

here he is wearing a ‘Hillary hat’

He seems to have gone off the SJW deep-end, and taken Hillary’s word “irredeemables” to heart. From what I understand, he only dated black or Asian women, and seems to have marinated in the sewers of liberal progressivism.

It was a short trip to actually slaughtering the deplorables, which we all know many BLM and Antifa and SJW only dream of doing. He simply took their mantras to heart, a little more earnestly than most of them are willing to do.

Pat unknowingly repudiates his own argument here

Unlike ISIS terrorists who believe they are soldiers of Islam doing the will of Allah, and will achieve paradise for slaughtering infidels, Stephen Paddock did not believe anything like this.

proving that a belief in God per se, is no proscription against wanton slaughter. Indeed, what if not wanton slaughter have the good Christians like George Bush and Dick Cheney (and John McCain and all the other Christians in the congress and ‘amen to war’ churches, etc..) been engaged in in the Middle East if not wanton slaughter?

God save us all from the wanton slaughter of the true believers like Hagee (of the Christian bent) or Stephan Paddock of the liberal / progressive bent.

A man or women doesn’t need a belief in an organized religion to keep them from wanting to harm others. That is beyond absurd. There is a natural empathy that transcends religion that prevents men from killing and slaughtering every one who’s weaker than they are. Or every non-religious person would be engaged in rapine and murder.

No, it wasn’t a lack of orthodoxy that motivated Paddock to murder, but most likely a near religious-like obsession with- and a roiling hatred for- the deplorables. – Pope Hillary’s religion, that pushed him over the edge.

too much is being assumed.
too much is being said when very little is known.
many waxing nonsensical.
so far we are told what happened without evidence.
we are given his history, his thoughts, his mental state. everything is made up. then added to or changed.
then there is the BS ISIS story.

where are the hotel videos?

what about the latin woman saying people will die some 45 minutes before shooting? shades of rfk polka dot woman.

where is the autopsy on paddock? how long had he been dead? from what?

why the broken windows much lower on the hotel?

2nd shooter?
seems from this video a maybe? i cant tell. maybe someone here can.

Was the Paddock autopsy revealed?
Did he have an undescended testicle?

Show us the footage of him lugging the rifles past the front desk. What kind of car did he drive? Was it still in the hotel lot after the shooting?

“past the front desk” or from garage to elevator.

Casino hotels in Vegas have CCTV monitoring everywhere. We are not being told the whole story. Sheriff Lombardo was willing to float the story of accomplices. FBI did not like it. In cases of false flag operations the local police is the weakest link in the cover up phase of the operation but there are plenty of FBI and CIA secret liaison officers in every police department to take care of it.

OT: Why Buchanan in his old age still holds to the idea that he is the MSM columnist? Nobody cares about him in the mainstream and no mainstream publishes him but he writes as if he was still in CNN. He is read only on the fringes like here at the unz.com by people who hope he will say something relevant confirming they radical views. It never happens . He always disappoints. He is out of touch. Cuck? Dotard?

pat says we’re living in a post christian america and implies that atrocities didn’t occur when the nation was more staunchly christian. bunk. the evils of christianity are legion so i won’t bother to list them.
religion drives fanatics to acts of barbarism.
post christian america is better off for it.

Jonestown was an entire op by the CIA

No, it was not. It was as American as a baseball and an apple-pie: a result of free reign of all kinds of bizarre and sometimes downright dangerous cults and of human stupidity and gullibility. Many of those are still out there with all kinds of “prophets” BSing followers into all kinds of madness. Many among those cults are about screwing as many chicks as possible or making as much dough as possible, or both, with added thrill of exercising a power over weak-minded. FFS, this happened (not the camp, obviously, in Guyana) in the country which gave the world a “gift” of Scientology. Unless, of course, one considers this to be CIA’s op too.

Unsure which French writer reminded us that (I paraphrase) “if there’s no reason not to behave badly, there’s equally no reason why we shouldn’t behave well.” Too often the idea that unreasonable behaviour must be bad goes unchallenged.

Alas, what you say is true. Early America was rife with cults, colonies, utopias and religious communities of fervid followers. Most were dashed upon the hard rocks of human folly and greed, but their descendants abide among us today, for better or for worse.

I think you missed the point. If there is no God, your “morality” or “conscience” is meaningless. On the other hand, if God exists, your behavior now matters.

You may disagree with Pat about Paddock’s motive (going out with a bang) but his conclusion about consequences for one’s actions is logical.

History will show that he was either a Muslim convert or a leftist.

Yeah, like history has shown that the scores of albino psychopaths before this one, all turned out to be Muslim converts and/or leftists?

Are those pussy albino psychopaths who cut innocent women and children down, from the safety of their ships, gunships, or drone parlours, also Muslim converts or leftists?

Anyway, it is just as well that your vile kind has their heads firmly up their holes. The soul-rot and its consequent roasting will be well deserved.

a country music festival

Festival? Going by the “music” they create, more like the Funeral of Music, especially with that abomination, the Banjo. When that thing twangs, it can only cause a sane person to temporarily lose his mind, find an albino supremacist face and smash it in. *spit*

That said, I’ll have to give it to you guys, your classic rock riffs are pretty cool… so albino music is not all bad 😉

Early America was rife with cults, colonies, utopias and religious communities of fervid followers.

I am keenly aware of that, as well as of the possibility of “moderation” over time, but possible does not describe the probability of such a “moderation” as we have today with some, rather peculiar, Old Testament-driven cults, and Scientology remaining bizarre and harmful for a long time now.

What makes their actions childish or sad? It sounds to me like they were eminently sensible and humble men.

How ironic that an anonymous poster commenting on “the greatest minds of Western civilization” deems himself above “such thinking”.

Burned-over district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district

I’d say the Marxist infiltration of the Churches is complete and it was accomplished with virtually no resistance. Spengler said Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism. William Gayley Simpson said that liberalism is Christianity without the Christ.

The modern day Jim Jones is called the Pope and he’s now leading white Europeans to mass suicide via mass Muslim migration and promotion of multiracialism. Somewhere in hell Jim Jones is smiling.

LHO did not chose to end his life, was not a mass murderer, and it’s not even clear he shot anyone.
Bad comparison.

I believe that Whitman had a brain tumor. I once had a cat that was very affectionate, but suddenly went nuts, biting the shit out of me. Then later seemed remorseful and affectionate again. Brain tumor.

The modern day Jim Jones is called the Pope

lol

good one!

and spot on

which is another reason I wince when I see Buchanan carrying water for the same Vatican that is doing all it can to encourage The Death of the West

when a religion becomes morally bankrupt, it would seem prudent at least to repudiate the venal and traitorous leadership, at least!

I have a lot of respect for Pat Buchanan, but this is really 600 words he shouldn’t have bothered writing, as it does no more than pick up on and imitate the half-truths, logical contortions, bad guesses and straight factual errors of a careless, irresponsible sensationalist, know-nothing mainstream media. There is ZERO factual weight in this article, and even the morality/conscience discussion is tired and, inevitably, inconclusive. Worst of all, the article wholly ignores and discards ALL the same issues and unanswered questions which the press and media are still busy ignoring and discarding, in their rush to laughably-stupid, unproven, deeply suspect judgement.

Let me get this straight: A 64-year-old man – apparently a self-made millionaire with two homes, two private light aircraft AND a shedful of spare cash (how many “ordinary” working people in 2017 do you think are in that particular financial heaven ?), with NO military background, NO previous contact with weapons, automatic or otherwise – and, according to his family, no political or religious convictions and absolutely NO conceivable motive whatever – manages somehow to smuggle 20-odd large heavy weapons (in the earliest reports it was just TEN) into a huge, busy, cctv-covered casino-hotel completely unnoticed, and unchallenged.

Then, from a 32nd floor window (with an unaccounted-for broken window on the 4th floor also), he shoots – after dark, across a busy highway, and without being heard at any time by hundreds of other hotel guests above or below – down into a crowd of total strangers a quarter of a mile away – accurately enough to kill FIFTY-EIGHT… and managing to wound more than …FIVE HUNDRED…???… in just TWELVE minutes..?

Ever tried to fire an automatic weapon which jumps out of your hand and almost breaks your arm with recoil – with NO professional training whatever ? And he manages to KILL 58..?

His two brothers have stated independently that they were NOT ever aware that Paddock had any interest in weapons of any kind, and that he certainly never discussed them. But more mysteriously still is that his live-in lover, now returned in a hurry from the Philippines, has NOT apparently been asked at any point to state whether she herself ever noticed that growing stockpile of assault rifles in the corner of her living room at home, nor what action she ever took as a result. Almost as if… umm… she DIDN’T ever see those weapons there.

As Bjondo (#21) and Utu (#23) both point out above, there seems to be a commonality across the mainstream media at once to provide a cut-and-dried decision without that annoying little technicality called FACTS first being laid on the table and talked through in plain English. Where is his car used to convey himself AND guns to the hotel ? Why is there no rush at all for anyone in the media to distinguish (or perhaps make a fool of) himself by asking to actually SEE the copious high-quality casino-hotel cctv footage showing Paddock shifting bags/boxes/crates of something heavy up to his room for days past ? This footage – thousands of minutes of it since his check-in several days before) IS surely now in the safe care and keeping of the Las Vegas Police Department… right..? Where is the police discussion of the woman many witnesses have talked about on the street that night, warning plainly of killing to begin shortly ? What of certain social media videos which appear to show muzzle flashes from the 4th floor of the hotel ? And why did the shooting stop abruptly at around 10:15 pm – but the SWAT team on the 32nd floor only broke down the door at ELEVEN-THIRTY pm? Was ONE shooter with 20 weapons really just out of ammo that fast ? What were the exact ammo numbers used and remaining in the room ? If his “preparations ” had been that thorough, wouldn’t a smart guy have realised very early on that he’d be dead long before he managed to run out of ammo for 20 weapons ?

And of course, purely to stifle concern of any kind, it would be nice for the Las Vegas Police Department to actually confirm the clear, simple medical RESULTS of the autopsy on Paddock’s body sometime soon, instead of just rolling out the stop-gap standard “took-his-own-life-pool-of-blood” B-movie cliche we’ve heard so far. Because.. there HAS, of course, been a professional, fully-documented Autopsy on his body…Right ? Along with DNA tests and fingerprints on EVERY weapon found in the room (and a full police listing of these) – as well as a full sweep of the WHOLE room as standard crime-scene procedure… because this isn’t crime-scene rocket science… Right ?

And, just for good measure, we are told in passing that the “security forces” were also somehow “miraculously fast” in attending the scene, entering an enormous, busy hotel in numbers (for which there appears to be not a shred of reported eye-witness evidence), getting to the correct floor, breaking into the room, and then – instead of Paddock just shooting the first dozen guys to get through the narrow, easy-target choke-point door and waiting for the tear-gas, he immediately changes his mind about further random slaughter and shoots himself instead – thereby conveniently avoiding the necessity for any tedious police questions-and-answers. Just another “fruitloop”. Case closed. No explanations necessary. Nothikng to see here.

And finally, whilst apparently scores or even hundreds of affected people were still in “police lockdown” in various locations around the area, the name of this harmless nobody – dead on a hotel floor – and a FAMILY photo – are miraculously pinned to front pages all over America, and all around the world – within not much more than a few of HOURS of the end of the killing ?? But the same superhuman journalists who magicked all that aren’t quite so interested in any of the above a week later ?

And then the media wonders why people don’t trust the media.

“OT: Why Buchanan in his old age still holds to the idea that he is the MSM columnist? Nobody cares about him in the mainstream and no mainstream publishes him but he writes as if he was still in CNN. He is read only on the fringes like here at the unz.com by people who hope he will say something relevant confirming they radical views. It never happens . He always disappoints. He is out of touch. Cuck? Dotard?”

This sounds really bitter.

the evils of christianity are legion so i won’t bother to list them.

Come on! List two or three.

Anyone adding to the bull dust of the LHO or OBL myths deserves a harsh response and this article is rife with errors and false assumptions.

How disingenuous and misinforming is Buchanan article in light of likely possibility that the following profit and control motive is true.

Eerie Predictions in Vegas… Cui Bono?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqxUuyHFzc

Remember the underwear bomber?

Underwear Bomber Renews Calls for ‘Naked Scanners’

https://www.wired.com/2009/12/underwear-bomber-renews-calls-for-naked-scanners/

Fear Pays: Chertoff, Ex-Security Officials Slammed For Cashing In On Government Experience

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html

After the arrest of the underwear bomber last Christmas, Chertoff hit the airwaves and wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post advocating the full-body scanning systems without disclosing that Rapiscan Systems was a client of his firm. The aborted terror plot prompted the Transportation Security Agency to order 300 machines from Rapiscan. Yet last spring, the Government Accountability Office reported that, “It remains unclear whether [the scanners] would have been able to detect the weapon” used in the aborted bombing attempt. And according to a recent report by DHS’s Inspector General, the training of airport screeners is rushed and poorly supervised.

At least we don’t grind albinos into sausage and eat them so we’ll get magical powers like your kind does, boy.

“seems to have marinated in the sewers of liberal progressivism” — Rurik

“seems” is correct, in the eye of Rurik, with no evidence cited (other than someone clowning in a cap) and no even slightly convincing argument. Rurik is doing what Pat has done: using this event, which has been very poorly investigated and reported, as an excuse to frame it as “evidence” for Rurik’s favorite grand narrative:

“No, it wasn’t a lack of orthodoxy that motivated Paddock to murder, but most likely a near religious-like obsession with- and a roiling hatred for- the deplorables – Pope Hillary’s religion, that pushed him over the edge.” — Rurik

Thanks but No Thanks to Rurik for offering the choice between (1) Pat’s more-or-less extreme conservative RC dogma (contrary to teachings of the current Pope), and, (2) Rurik’s reactionary thinking. reacting to the non-thinking of ‘Pope Hillary’. Really, there are other choices available!

Thanks. Never heard of that before. (though I recently toured the Shaker community between Albany and the Mass. border)

Thanks for publishing the links — another useful link to illustrate the corruption of “so-called” Video Evidence : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKkuWX406q4

Doesn’t the CIA like to video their crimes against humanity?

If Americans really knew the truth about the Government, its Agencies, Government Personnel and its Contractors, No One would ever be convicted of anything in a court of law due to the widespread covert surveillance targeted organized crime and domestic terrorism going on in this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqxUuyHFzc

So what specific facts do you have to counter this “made up narrative”?

Perhaps Occam’s razor works in this situation here rather than a conspiracy theory.

Your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that indeed Paddock is the man in both photographs. Basically, you are offering an opinion on this matter, which we appreciate.

The heritability of psychopathy. Paddock’s father was a serial bank robber and according to some sources diagnosed as a psychopath, so the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
…
America has become an atomized, materialistic hellhole where life seems devoid of meaning.

Nailed it. Biology + environment. I read the book The Sociopath Next Door – it’s more common than you’d think. Most sociopaths are not violent, some are. They lack a conscience, can’t have real relationships with people, and see life as a game. That’s Stephen Paddock to a T.

There will always be deranged people who want to do things like this, it’s the tragic nature of the human condition. Our crazy culture no doubt contributes to producing more crazy people, but you’ll never eliminate it.

I think we’ll ultimately have to reduce the amount of firepower that is readily available to anyone, just as long as they don’t have a criminal record already. We’ve seen more than a few people now commit mass murder as their first-ever crime.

I say this as a gun owner and supporter of civilian firearm ownership for self defense. I have a loaded revolver in the nightstand right now. I know the anti-gun politicians and activists would take away even my revolver if they could, like in the U.K. And I hate to feel like I’m throwing fellow gun owners under the bus.

But I see no way around the fact that the body counts having been going up in these spree killings, and I find it hard to justify the necessity of so much firepower for self-defense.

It used to be that somebody would “go postal” or whatever with a revolver, and shoot a few people but never 20 or 30 or 50. With Glock and the newer guns in the 1980s with double-stack 15+ round magazines and perfect reliability, and it being easy to order a whole bunch of extra mags online – now you can have the Virginia Tech shooting with 32 people killed.

Now the AR-15 has become the weapon of choice for spree killers, with a 30-round standard magazine, plus each round of .223 rifle ammo is going to be deadlier than a 9mm handgun round. So you have the Orlando nightclub shooting with 49 killed.

Now the Las Vegas shooter has demonstrated another advantage of semi-auto rifles over handguns – you can shoot from a distance, where it’s now harder to locate and confront the shooter.

I think a good middle ground would be that civilians are allowed to own bolt-action rifles, pump shotguns, and revolvers. Semi-auto rifles and handguns with detachable magazines are police and military only. I think this would allow sufficient self-defense and significantly reduce the carnage when these things happen.

paddock’s papa irrelevant. a misdirection.
let’s look at his brother.
to do this is to accept hooklinesinker the story given.

“evidence” for Rurik’s favorite grand narrative:

I’m glad you put evidence in quotes, except that you seem to be suggesting that I was offering proof, which I wasn’t. I was offering speculation, Grandpa. As the word “seems” makes abundantly obvious.

RC dogma (contrary to teachings of the current Pope),

fuck the current Pope

I have more respect for dog vomit in the grass. The current Pope is a traitor to Catholicism, a traitor to Christendom, a traitor to all the boys molested by those robbed fiends, and a traitor to Jesus Christ. May he count his thirty shekels in hell.

Really, there are other choices available!

yes, in a very uncharacteristic way, I was running with a narrative. Spinning my own yarn so to speak, by speculating on one possible scenario.

as a rule I’m far more circumspect about these tragedies, knowing as I know that the official narrative that we’ll all have shoved down our collective throats will almost certainly be a preposterous farce- whatever suits the agenda of the PTB.

so, since in all likelihood, we’ll never know what happened or why, because ‘that’ will be presented to us depending on what the PTB decides suits them best, I figured I’d speculate a little, being very careful to pepper my words with caveats like “seems”, and “most likely”, as the quotes you provided make plain.

at first I was suspicious that people were even murdered, and that we’d all be subject to another Boston Bombing or Sandy Hook style false flag. But then I saw that people were indeed murdered, in a most horrific and cowardly way. Who ever did this is as evil as it gets.

So, then I considered *who* they (or he or whomever) was slaughtering, and it was obviously deplorables. Selected for their demographic. Duh

So we do have that.

There are things we know. We know people were randomly shot to pieces, and we know that whomever did it, selected these people specifically because of their characteristics.

Now, who would do that?

An Islamist-extremist angry about America’s destruction of their lands? It just doesn’t make sense to me. Trump has reined in the CIA orcs destroying Syria and crucifying Christians in the greater Levant. If ISIS was angry about the cut off of arms and funds to their orcs, then slaughtering country music fans makes no sense whatsoever. Unless ISIS made a concurrent demand that Trump (and his supporters) renew their support for the ISIS orcs. No such demand was made.

So then of course there is the anti-gun nuts that would certainly like to see country music fans get slaughtered, but how can they count on the support of the FBI and fecal government with a Trump administration securely ensconced in DC? That Eric Holder would orchestrate such a massacre, is consistent with everything I know about him. But he’s no longer in office, and I just have a hard time imagining that Trump and Jeff Sessions are closet sympathizers cut from the same Eric Holder / Obama cloth.

So who does that leave who would do such a thing?

As I’ve mentioned, BLM or Antifa would love, love, love to see such carnage, but I doubt they have the logistical wherewithal.

so for me, what does make perfect sense, is a white, male SJW. With an emphasis on warrior.

perhaps he did have an organic malady, or was on some kind of psychotropic pharmaceuticals(s), or both.

Perhaps he was a Manchurian candidate, but for whom?! The anti-gun lobby would do such a thing for sure, but what chance to they have today, with Trump in office, of making hay with such a tragedy?

so, it seems to me, that this guy, (with perhaps some SJW confederates), decided to live out their deeply-held realizations of social justice. Albeit from a cowardly distance.

It would seem true to form. Right now the left are inconsolable. Despondent. Apoplectic.

they’re so full of blind hatred and rage, that I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them blurt out ‘good!!! I’m glad those racist hicks got a taste of gun violence!!!’

in fact, as I understand it, a certain lawyer for CBS was fired for expressing just those sentiments publically.

So for me, as we’re all being carefully protected from knowing what actually did happen, and especially why, I feel a certain liberty to take them at their word, that this guy did it, and for motivations that were his own.

If so, and he was a committed liberal progressive, racked by the knowledge that an orange Adolf Hitler was now manifesting a Forth Reich from inside the White House, with the full complicity of white, American deplorable and irredeemable brownshirts, gun nuts, racists and Christians, for whom he felt such rage and hatred, (as they all seem to be feeling these days)… then that scenario seems as likely as what ever bullshit they’ll eventually come up with.

>> my heartfelt sympathies to the victims and families of this horrific tragedy<<

God bless you all

Others have alluded to the notion of a gun deal gone bad.

What follows is just conjecture inasmuch as he may be guilty as hel*, but…..

Mainstream news peddles the narrative; the (alleged) perpetrator purchased the guns in Sept. 2016 and this is evidence that he had been planning his misdeeds for a long time, therefore he was a cold, calculating psychopath.

But as someone else suggested, what if he bought the guns believing (the polls) that Hilarious would be elected and thinking that she would ban military-style, semi-autos forthwith and then he could sell them aftermarket for a huge profit? Like a ticket scalper. The guy was a gambler after all. And made money swapping houses. So not unreasonable. If true, question then becomes, who were the buyers? Did they see the cameras and think it was a sting operation? WAS it a sting operation? And did they turn the tables on him, using the weapons to murder innocents while leaving him to hold the bag?

Perhaps he was a Manchurian candidate, but for whom?!

the commenter Wayfarer makes a very compelling case that this is all part of the program for the further enslavement of the American people to the burgeoning ‘total surveillance’ Orwellian police state

https://www.unz.com/imercer/the-pale-patriarchal-people-were-all-over-las-vegas-like-white-on-rice/#comment-2034642

I would consider that to be consistent with everything I know about the Zio-fecal government for the last several decades. And with everything I know about human nature.

9/11 was done for two reasons: to implement NATO fought serial wars against countries that Israel considers inconvenient to its greater agenda, and to dismantle American’s hard won Constitutional rights.

Both things were accomplished in spades. All anyone need do is read what it says in the NDAA legislation to realize our congress are treasonous betrayers of every sacred oath they ever uttered, traitors to the American people, traitors to reason and conscience and to the very principle of human freedom that is the most sacred inheritance from our ancestors that we possess.

but we’re tossing it all down the Orwellian black hole of bovine cowardice and cud-chewing apathy, and our progeny will rightfully curse us all in our graves for it.

if only the American people were able to think!

just imagine it!

Occam’s Razor is, at the end of the day, an intelligence-based guideline only – NOT an infallible rule for every unfathomably inexplicable event. But I take the point.

The truth is, although I consider myself reasonably smart, I can’t even begin to get near any kind of personal theory for this horror which fills even half the gaps. The purpose of my post was simply to point out those obvious gaps, and to remind everybody who’s interested that the “received narrative” so far – which is no doubt what will end up in the history books – is laughably absurd and impossible to any right-thinking person. I think that’s pretty important.

I have no idea where we go from here – probably, sadly, precisely nowhere. But I suspect Rurik’s post (#50 above) is probably the closest we’re ever going to get.

No, the videos are authentic and made the point. They were posted soon after the shooting, and they do not confirm the official narrative. There is no attempt to morph someone’s words into someone else’s mouth. The titles are too provocative though. Most people won’t bother to look at them.

The sound recording of the shooting made by a taxi driver by itself is convincing. Then the second video shows flashes from the 4th floor window. The fact that the 4th floor window is also broken should be enough to raise suspicion.

As I pointed out, lone nut explanations are threadbare. Several attempts were made to entice me into some arrangement like this involving weapons or drugs. Most people have not had such experiences, so it may be difficult for them to accept. One euphemism used by people who plan these events is “street theater”. Many of the actors are drugged, and they will not remember their participation.

The parting shot before they broke off contact with me was: “We were kind of hoping you would die.”

Here is another independent video with sound. Not as clear as the taxi driver’s, but clear enough to hear two shooters and two different locations. The taxi stand must have been very near that fourth floor window.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/10722835.html

I am very well aware of the use of drugs in mind control operations and in covert surveillance targeting of citizens for covert entry burglaries, vandalism, pet torture and poisoning. I am one of the victims of these operations by government domestic terrorists and traffickers (my oldest brother joined a group operating in Washington state).
I believe they have been using scopolamine on me, as well as given me another drug that has given me a very rare, incurable blood disorder, characterized by myeloperoxidase antibodies in the blood.

There are way too many DHS Agency criminal personnel who operate above the law and need to be held accountable for their organized surveillance crimes, including burglaries, vandalism, trafficking, pet torture and poisongs.

Washington state is a cesspool for government criminals, grand theft burglaries and domestic terrorism by government personnel and their contractors.

More will come out on this, there has to be tons of footage from security cameras of him coming and going — he allegedly live streamed himself.

If this stuff isn’t made public, we will know something is being covered up.

I get the feeling — same with 9/11 — that there are certain things happening they’d rather the public never get to the bottom of. The system has been corrupted.

I hope there is some transparency in this case. It would be nice if the authorities were actually interested in finding out the truth and sharing it with the public, rather than creating a haze of confusion like 9/11.

The fact that Paddock scouted different crowds (liberal and conservative) shows that he was hellbent on doing something like this massacre. The question is why.

Clearly, he was both a good man and a bad man. He helped is family – he had a rational woman who loved him.

He made statements that cursed his mother for having him – yet he helped her financially. In his sleep he made sounds that showed an anguish and internal conflict.

Most likely Paddock had a duel personality. In his mind, where two conflicting people. He hated one of them, but could not stop him.

Paddock lived a traumatic early life. Who knows how he was triggered into his duel mindset.

The liberal society blames guns for violence – when the major cause of violence is early childhood trauma. It is children who “live in their own minds” thinking that they are separate for their family, that end up being violent. Physical and mental abuse in childhood never goes away – in lays in the subconscious mind for all of their life.

Never ever let a child leave their home felling unloved.

The fact that Paddock scouted different crowds (liberal and conservative) shows that he was hellbent on doing something like this massacre. The question is why.

Not he: they. Heavy traffic from nearby concerts gave them anonymity to hide their secret meetings.

Personally, after looking at and hearing lots of info and theories, I do not believe this man was the killer. He was set up. I won’t say by whom because there is danger these days in speaking out. George Orwell is on my list to read. Read “ 1984” in high school…I’ve herd there’s a lot more to read that’s very relevant.

Mr Buchanan seems to have forgotten all the atrocities committed by god fearing men. His line of thinking is an affront to all those who do not believe in his, or anyone else’s, god but shudder at the thought of doing violence to another being.

Read “ 1984” in high school…I’ve herd there’s a lot more to read that’s very relevant.

Out of print and hard to find, but the best book I know:

Russell, Dick: The Man Who Knew Too Much. Carroll & Graf, 1992. New York

They had to leave one scene involving President Clinton on the cutting room floor, but surprisingly there is even a recent Hollywood movie that is decent:

http://www.americanmademovie.net/#home

Trying to find “black ops” in every random event that makes up the noisy tapestry of daily happenings is the sign of a confused mind or someone who watches too much TV.

To what purpose? Why so crappily? Why now? Why this event and not some other that may happen right now or tomorrow.

You could as well argue that civilian trucks of kids & women being blown up by remote control in the ‘tans are “black ops”. No, they are just the end product of random uniformed retards with bureaucratized-away conscience doing things they shouldn’t be doing with tools that shouldn’t exist, all set up with money that shouldn’t have been printed going to pockets that should be on death row culminating in a senseless atrocity.

There are more weird things about the Oklahoma Bombing than about this.

Add Euler and Ramanujan to the list, please!

“The purpose of my post was simply to point out those obvious gaps, and to remind everybody who’s interested that the “received narrative” so far – which is no doubt what will end up in the history books – is laughably absurd and impossible to any right-thinking person.”

So instead you create a false narrative for those “right-thinking people”. Wow, just wow.

I agree.

I see old Paddy has bought into the bullshit story hook line and stinker

He does love him some State , doesn’t he?

police scanners record cops calling in several shooters.
dont think paddock one of them.

“I say this as a gun owner and supporter of civilian firearm ownership for self defense…”

Hey, Cuckleberry. The second amend. wasn’t established for self- defense!

I think a good middle ground would be that civilians are allowed to own bolt-action rifles, pump shotguns, and revolvers. Semi-auto rifles and handguns with detachable magazines are police and military only.

Non starter and that’s the typical talking points of leftist gun grabbers. The second amendment was established so the people had the means to resist government tyranny and kill tyrants. Therefore, they should be allowed access to the same firearms as the military. It wasn’t established for home defense from cat burglars or merely to protect the rights of duck and deer hunters.

The U.S. military has been held at bay in Iraq and Afghanistan by people armed mostly with AK-47’s, RPGs and IEDs. Their job would be made much easier if the insurgents were armed mostly with pump shotguns and Saturday night special revolvers.

Hey, that’s creepy!
In comment 4. “Jim Jones” says

I don`t find his actions strange, I find it strange that people keep on struggling with life day after day

In comment 5. KenH (apparently unaware of comment 4.) recalls Jim Jones and his flock committing mass suicide.
Since when, “Jim Jones” has not commented further.
Are you OK, Jim?

Supposedly, as I heard it from people who knew Feynman and Von Neumann, there was nothing childish about Von Neumann’s rationale for his death bed action. It was simply the old expectation value argument of Pascal, no, it was even simpler. Von Neumann, when queried about his puzzling act replied words to the effect: “Who knows? There is some chance, no ? So why not?”