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Since 1969, “Virginia Is for Lovers” has been the tourism and travel slogan of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Advertising Age called it “one of the most iconic ad campaigns in the past 50 years.”

But the Virginia of 2020 seems to be another country than the friendly commonwealth to which this writer moved four decades ago.

Charlottesville, home to Thomas Jefferson’s University of Virginia, has become famous as the site of a 2017 Klan-Nazi clash with antifa over the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee from a municipal park. During the clash, protester Heather Heyer was run over and killed.

There followed the inauguration of a new Democratic Governor, Ralph Northam, in 2018 and a new attorney general. Both, it was learned, had masqueraded in blackface in their college days. And two women accused their colleague, new Lieutenant Governor Justin Fairfax, with rape.

Resignations were demanded. But all three hunkered down, and the crisis abated. Now a new cultural issue has emerged.

First-term Congresswoman Jennifer Wexton, from the D.C. suburbs, has denounced Virginia’s representation in the U.S. Capitol by statues of George Washington in the Rotunda and Robert E. Lee in the crypt a floor below. Both statues have represented Virginia for more than a century.

Wexton wants Lee replaced by an African American hero from a list that she and Rep. A. Donald McEachin reportedly submitted.

Two names on their list are unfamiliar figures from the desegregation days of the 1950s. The third is better known: Nat Turner.

In “The Americans: A Social History of the United States,” published in 1969, author J. C. Furnas describes the deeds of the man Wexton and McEachin would be pleased to see replace Robert E. Lee:

“In August 1831, Nat Turner, paranoid slave preacher and cunjur man, led his superstition-fuddled followers to kill fifty-five whites of all sexes and ages in an aimless terrorizing of Southhampton County in the southeastern corner of Virginia.

“The poor twisted creature could hardly have found a worse time to sharpen Southern fears of a slave rising.” Turner was tried and hanged and, that winter, writes Furnas, “The Virginia legislature voted down by a narrow margin a bill for gradual extinction of slavery.”

Nat Turner’s terrorism had set back emancipation.

Let me go out on a limb: If the Virginia General Assembly votes to replace Robert E. Lee in the U.S. Capitol with a statue of Nat Turner, it will not be the unifying event Wexton imagines.

But the Assembly will be dealing soon with measures even more volatile.

On Jan. 20, “Lobby Day” at the Assembly, thousands of gun advocates, many openly armed, will be coming to Richmond to protest new gun laws Northam and his new Democratic majority campaigned on and are determined to deliver.

Already, 110 towns, cities and counties in Virginia have created “Second Amendment sanctuaries” where new state laws that restrict gun rights will not be enforced by local authorities.

As the Washington Post writes,

“Virginia is a former Confederate State with strong rural traditions and lax gun laws. Guns represent the strongest, reddest line against the demographic changes that have seen Old Dominion voters usher in a new era of Democratic leadership in recent elections.

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“A Nevada-based group called the Oath Keepers said it is sending training teams to help form posses and militia in Virginia. The leader of a Georgia militia called Three Percent Security Force has posted videos and calls to arms on Facebook, urging ‘patriots’ to converge on Richmond.”

Still, the divisions among Virginians are not only over history, heroes and guns, they are also moral and religious.

A year ago, Northam said he supported abortion through all nine months of pregnancy, and beyond, if an abortion were unsuccessful.

Here is Northam, in his own words, on the rights of the unborn:

“(Third trimester abortions are) done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. … The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

Unlike the seven states of the Deep South, Virginia did not vote to secede and leave the Union until President Lincoln issued his call to arms to put down the rebellion after the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter.

Then the state of Virginia seceded from the Union as the colony of Virginia had seceded from Great Britain at Philadelphia 84 years before.

Today, it appears a new secession is underway. Virginians are separating from each other over issues as deep and divisive — such as who can take innocent life and when — as those that divided us in 1861.

As are the rest of their countrymen in this time of Trump.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. How about this? Divide all Southern states in two. White and Black.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Slim
  2. Roger says:

    Plus: Virginia is attempting to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment.

    It would be the 38th state, except that the time limit expired decades ago, and some states rescinded.

  3. Nat Turner’s terrorism had set back emancipation.

    More than that. The very next year, the Commonwealth passed a law barring weapon possession by any “free Negro or mulatto”, unless in the employ and under the direct supervision of a white man. So much for Virginia’s “lax” gun laws.

    Turner was right about one thing, though– he had no business being in Virginia. His kith and his kin and his ilk should have been rounded up and returned to the continent which his Creator made for them.

    But then they’d have to pay white men to pick the tobacco. Can’t have that, can we?

    • Replies: @Slim
  4. Paul says:

    “. . . Nat Turner, paranoid slave preacher and cunjur man, led his superstition-fuddled followers to kill fifty-five whites of all sexes and ages . . .”

    Brings to mind the Nicaraguan Contras.

  5. Can’t the western part of Virginia just secede and join West Virginia?

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  6. RouterAl says:

    Can I suggest a small correction to

    “protester Heather Heyer was run over and killed”

    Actually she died of a heart attack as her BMI was off the scale she was so obese , the car never actually hit her. It did hit other people who suffered minor injuries, the worst being a broken leg. The trouble with not getting it right is that it becomes a stick to hit white people with as it becomes an oft repeated legend without any grounding in fact.

    Can I also say as an observer from the UK that this is perhaps the biggest issue in the USA at the moment. If you see it for what it is Jew Bloomberg uses his cash to destroy the constitution starting with the 2nd and then moving on to the first. His test bed is Virginia but it will be extended into other states, that’s how the Jews work. Citizens of Virginia be warned these Jews will not stop you have to be constantly vigilant and channel this 2nd amendment protection movement into the general political movement. It’s getting near that time the USA had its first go with the expulsion of the Jews and join the rest of the old world in that time honoured practice.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Bert
  7. Heather Heyer was an obese heavy smoker who died as a result of too much stress and excitement in the hot Virginia summer sun that day, in other words, she had a heart attack.

    And it wasn’t “klan nazi’ types who were protesting the tearing down of statues of civil war heroes, it was patriots.

    Quit using the lies and language of the left, boomer.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Slim
  8. @Johnny Smoggins

    All true, except that, Buchanan, born in 1938, is hardly a boomer. The baby boom generation commenced in 1946, with the end of WWII the previous year.

    I hope that Pat’s prediction of thousands of gun-toting patriots descending upon Richmond has better success than the poorly organized “unite the right” rally in Charlottesville. Those defending the 2nd Amendment will surely be out-gunned when Northam activates the National Guard.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Johnny Smoggins
  9. bluedog says:
    @follyofwar

    Strange I was reading that the state is not sure of which side the N.G. will fight on, so they are going with the regular army on this one,and I’m sure the propaganda machine will get ramp up so that black is white and white is black.!!

  10. TGD says:

    Very few people today have heard of a man named Bernard Baruch. To clue the uninformed in, Baruch was a Jewish financier of the early 20th century who bore the epithet, “advisor to presidents.” In fact, every president from Woodrow Wilson to Harry Truman called on Baruch for advice and counsel and so did foreign leaders- notable Winston Churchill.

    But it’s not Bernard Baruch I want to talk about- it’s his father, Simon Baruch. Simon Baruch was a Confederate Army surgeon, who was once assigned as the personal physician to General Robert E. Lee.

    Contrast that with the antisemitic Ulysses S. Grant, the top general of the Union Armies. Grant issued his infamous “General Order No. 11” on December 17, 1862 directing the union armies to expel all Jews from 3 border states. He was also known to take occasional pot shots at the sutlers (mostly Jews) who followed the union armies.

    If you visit a town or city in the US northeast or midwest and farther out, you will find a “Grant Street” or a “Grant Avenue” or a “Grant Park” or a “Grant School.” Lots of statues, too. If the ruling class wipes out all traces of Robert E. Lee, shouldn’t they do the same for Ulysses S. Grant?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Charon
  11. JimDandy says:

    Sorry, Pat, calling Charlottesville a “Klan-Nazi clash” with antifa is reductive. Most of the people there to protest the destruction of statues belonged to neither of those groups. Also, Heather H.’s mom said her obese daughter died of a heart attack. The kid driving the car was convicted by the media–and even Donald Trump–long before he had his day in kangaroo court. He was denied a fair trial because he was mentally ill and hung out with politically incorrect types.

    • Agree: Charon
  12. ‘…Wexton wants Lee replaced by an African American hero from a list that she and Rep. A. Donald McEachin reportedly submitted.

    Two names on their list are unfamiliar figures from the desegregation days of the 1950s. The third is better known: Nat Turner…’

    That got me interested. Just who did Turner and his followers murder on their rampage?

    Joseph Travers and wife and three children,
    Mrs. Elizabeth Turner,
    Hartwell Prebles,
    Sarah Newsome,
    Mrs. P. Reese and son William,
    Trajan Doyle,
    Henry Bryant and wife and child, and wife’s mother,
    Mrs. Catherine Whitehead, son Richard and four daughters and grandchild,
    Salathiel Francis,
    Nathaniel Francis’ overseer and two children,
    John T. Barrow,
    George Vaughan,
    Mrs. Levi Waller and ten children,
    William Williams, wife and two boys,
    Mrs. Caswell Worrell and child,
    Mrs. Rebecca Vaughan,
    Ann Eliza Vaughan, and son Arthur,
    Mrs. John K. Williams and child,
    Mrs. Jacob Williams and three children,
    and Edwin Drury

    I count eleven, possibly thirteen, adult men, fourteen adult women, and twenty eight to thirty children.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  13. bjondo says:

    What color is the color revolution in America?

    5ds

  14. @follyofwar

    I wouldn’t get my hopes up. The right’s record on activism is dismal. One way or another Virginians are losing their guns.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @dfordoom
  15. bjondo says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Pretty sure 90% of the guard are gun toting deplorables.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  16. KenH says:

    Charlottesville, home to Thomas Jefferson’s University of Virginia, has become famous as the site of a 2017 Klan-Nazi clash with antifa over the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee from a municipal park.

    There was a klan rally several months prior to the “Unite the Right” rally but the latter was not a Nazi rally although a very small number of Nazis, either genuine or actors, did show up. But Pat’s driving between the (((cast iron guardrails))) as usual and accepting Jewish owned media characterizations of the event.

    Good on the Virginia gun owners for flipping the bird to Northam and his radical Democrats but if their mettle is tested and they cuck and surrender then the 2A is effectively dead and you’ll see blue states follow Virginia’s lead. If you declare yourself a sanctuary county and draft local militias to protect the 2A you’ll look pretty silly if you aren’t willing to back it all up by force which means shooting any state agents who attempt to take local mayors and local police into custody or attempt forcible confiscation of firearms.

    It would sure be nice if white Virginia voters were as hopping mad about the engineered demographic changes as they are about the unprecedented attacks on the 2A. The two are related, but we can’t be racist.

    Where is Donald Chump? Where is the NRA? Trump should be threatening to take Northam and the Virginia Dems into custody for working on legislation that amounts to an effective state level repeal of the 2A. Instead, Trump’s busy trying to start another war for Israel and the NRA is urging people to contact their representatives like that does any damn good when Republicans are in the minority and the Democrats are out for blood.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  17. @Johnny Smoggins

    Should he use the lies and language of the right, millenial? or is it Gen-Xer?

  18. Virginia residents need to start “Constitution Defense Militias” in whatever political entity they are at, establish a web presence and a PR contact. You need to come up with non-trivial numbers that when added up will create viable numbers of resistance to the current numbers of VA NG.

    The VNG’s current strength is 7,200 Soldiers, 1,200 Airmen, 300 Virginia Defense Force members and 400 federal and state civilians, and they bring more than $250 million in annual income into the commonwealth.

    https://vaguard.dodlive.mil/2019/01/01/11887/

    Residents need to make target ranges busy through Project Appleseed type activities. Invite the local press.

    You can’t write the story of America without including several chapters about the skill and bravery of our forefathers. On April 19, 1775, at Lexington and Concord, American colonists stood with muskets in hand and faced down the British forces that were trying to seize their arms. The colonists did it with grit, determination, and superior marksmanship. They were real marksmen: nobly and ably putting their skills on the line in pursuit of liberty.

    We are the descendants of those fearless men and women who earned our freedom on the battlefield. We honor their pursuit of liberty by passing along the skills and knowledge that aided them in securing it. Today’s Rifleman understands that owning and mastering a rifle is part of his/her American heritage. Whether you’re a new shooter or a seasoned marksman, Project Appleseed can help transform you from a person with a rifle into a principled and skilled Rifleman.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    And remember, the gun controllers want gun owners and their weapons to be registered so the government can bring a superior force e.g. NG, Police, ATF. In the Anglophone countries, they have used these lists for confiscation (UK, Australia, New Zealand).

    In the USA, the gun controllers attacked CCW holders by publishing their addresses. But what this incident revealed is that ALL gun people can utilize the normal PC word processing programs to create and spread lists of GUN CONTROLLERS. All gun owners can know EXACTLY who is attacking them with a little DB IT activity.

    After Pinpointing Gun Owners, Paper Is a Target

    By Christine Haughney

    Jan. 6, 2013

    WHITE PLAINS — Local newspapers across the country look for stories that will bring them national attention, but The Journal News, a daily nestled in a wooded office park in a suburb north of New York, may have gotten more than it bargained for.

    [MORE]

    Two weeks ago, the paper published the names and addresses of handgun permit holders — a total of 33,614 — in two suburban counties, Westchester and Rockland, and put maps of their locations online. The maps, which appeared with the article “The Gun Owner Next Door: What You Don’t Know About the Weapons in Your Neighborhood,” received more than one million views on the Web site of The Journal News — more than twice as many as the paper’s previous record, about a councilman who had two boys arrested for running a cupcake stand.

    But the article, which left gun owners feeling vulnerable to harassment or break-ins, also drew outrage from across the country. Calls and e-mails grew so threatening that the paper’s president and publisher, Janet Hasson, hired armed guards to monitor the newspaper’s headquarters in White Plains and its bureau in West Nyack, N.Y.

    Personal information about editors and writers at the paper has been posted online, including their home addresses and information about where their children attended school; some reporters have received notes saying they would be shot on the way to their cars; bloggers have encouraged people to steal credit card information of Journal News employees; and two packages containing white powder have been sent to the newsroom and a third to a reporter’s home (all were tested by the police and proved to be harmless).

    “As journalists, we are prepared for criticism,” Ms. Hasson said, as she sat in her meticulously tended office and described the ways her 225 employees have been harassed since the article was published. “But in the U.S., journalists should not be threatened.” She has paid for staff members who do not feel safe in their homes to stay at hotels, offered guards to walk employees to their cars, encouraged employees to change their home telephone numbers and has been coordinating with the local police.

    The decision to report and publish the data, taken from publicly available records, happened within a week of the school massacre in nearby Newtown, Conn. On Dec. 17, Dwight R. Worley, a tax reporter, returned from trying to interview the families of victims in Newtown with an idea to obtain and publish local gun permit data. He discussed his idea with his immediate editor, Kathy Moore, who in turn talked to her bosses, according to CynDee Royle, the paper’s editor.

    Mr. Worley started putting out requests for public information that Monday, receiving the data from Westchester County that day and from Rockland County three days later. All the editors involved said there were not any formal meetings about the article, although it came up at several regular news meetings. Ms. Royle, who had been at The Journal News in 2006 when the newspaper published similar data, without mapping it or providing street numbers, said that editors discussed publishing the data in at least three meetings.

    Ms. Hasson said Ms. Royle told her that an article with gun permit data would be published on Sunday, Dec. 23. While Ms. Hasson had not been at the paper in 2006, she knew there had been some controversy then. She made sure to be available on Dec. 23 by e-mail, and accessible to the staff if any problems came up. A spokesman for Gannett, which owns The Journal News, said it was never informed about the coming article.

    “We’ve run this content before,” Ms. Hasson said. “I supported it, and I supported the publishing of the info.”

    By Dec. 26, employees had begun receiving threatening calls and e-mails, and by the next day, reporters not involved in the article were being threatened. The reaction did not stop at the local paper: Gracia C. Martore, the chief executive of Gannett, also received threatening messages.

    Many of the threats, Ms. Hasson said, were coming from across the country, and not from the paper’s own community. But local gun owners and supporters are encouraging an advertiser boycott of The Journal News. Scott Sommavilla, president of the 35,000-member Westchester County Firearm Owners Association, said 44,000 people had downloaded a list of advertisers from his group’s Web site. But he emphasized that his association would never encourage any personal threats. Appealing to advertisers, he said, is the best way for gun owners to express their disapproval of the article.

    “They’re really upset about it,” Mr. Sommavilla said. “They’re afraid for their families.”

    The paper’s decision has drawn criticism from journalists who question whether The Journal News should have provided more context and whether it was useful to publish individual names and addresses. Journalists with specialties in computer-assisted reporting have argued that just because public data has become more readily available in recent years does not mean that it should be published raw. In ways, they argued, it would have been more productive to publish data by ZIP code or block.

    “The Journal News, I personally think, should have rethought the idea as actually going so far to identify actual addresses,” said Steve Doig, a professor with an expertise in data journalism at Arizona State. “This particular database ought to remain a public record. Just because it’s available and public record doesn’t mean we have to make it so readily available.”

    Mr. Worley disagrees. “The people have as much of a right to know who owns guns in their communities as gun owners have to own weapons,” he said.

    Mr. Doig pointed out that the recent publication of gun information by other papers has made access to this public information more difficult because legislators started blocking the data immediately. “The backlash, very typically from this, is for legislators to try to close up the access to this type of data.”

    Mr. Worley said he had received mainly taunting phone calls sprinkled in with callers who said “you should die.” He found broken glass outside of his home and would not say how much time he was spending there right now. But he said he had largely been supported by the newsroom.

    The Journal News’s features editor, Mary Dolan, said that while she was not involved with the publication of the article, her home address and phone numbers were published online in retaliation. She has had to disconnect her phone and has “taken my social media presence and just put it on the shelf for a while.” She has also received angry phone calls from former neighbors in Westchester whose gun information was published.

    She said she was especially concerned about the part-time staff members who write up wedding anniversary and church potluck announcements who have been harassed. But she supports the paper for its decision.

    “It sparked a conversation that needed to occur in this country, and it revealed tactics that will be employed when gun owners feel their rights are threatened,” she said.

    Putnam County has refused to release similar data, but Ms. Hasson said she would continue to press for it. She would not say whether the paper had lost any of its advertisers. According to the Alliance for Audited Media, The Journal News, like many newspapers nationwide, has had sharp declines in circulation. Its total circulation from Monday through Friday fell from 111,536 in September 2007 to 68,850 in September 2012.

    At the same time, Ms. Hasson has been trying to calm the nerves of her family after photographs of the home she is renting and references to her adult children were put online.

    “They are concerned about my safety,” she said about her children. “But they are very supportive.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/nyregion/after-pinpointing-gun-owners-journal-news-is-a-target.html

    • Replies: @Charon
  19. Hibernian says:
    @TGD

    If the ruling class wipes out all traces of Robert E. Lee, shouldn’t they do the same for Ulysses S. Grant?

    Don’t give them ideas.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  20. Hibernian says:
    @bjondo

    In rural areas yes; not so much in urban and suburban areas, at least that’s the way it is in Illinois. A lot of college kids getting their tuition money from Uncle Sam.

  21. Hibernian says:
    @KenH

    He out to Federalize the Virginia Army National Guard.

  22. @Digital Samizdat

    Yeah why not. Red America needs to secede from Blue America all over the country.

  23. Cowboy says:

    The Virginians are going back to the tried and true method of pledging allegiance to the local magistrate against the holy roman emperor. Protestants employed this successfully against romanist hegemony. This really is the only way out of the current tyranny.

  24. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I wouldn’t get my hopes up. The right’s record on activism is dismal.

    It sounds like another public relations disaster in the making for the Dissident Right. They’re going to walk straight into a trap the way they did at Charlottesville. Activist stunts with any potential for violence are just about the last things they should be contemplating.

    And posses and militias? Dear God. This kind of cluelessness defies belief.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  25. Charlottesville, home to Thomas Jefferson’s University of Virginia, has become famous as the site of a 2017 Klan-Nazi clash with antifa over the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee from a municipal park. During the clash, protester Heather Heyer was run over and killed.

    Two lies right there: 1:Heyer was an obese fat-ass who stroked out or croaked from a heart attack and 2: It wasn’t a Klan-Nazi clash with Antifa, it was a feeble, not particularly well-attended Unite The Right march around a statue of Stuart, or Lee, or whomever, which Soros and Obama sent the gangsters of Antifa down to do what they did. I like the way Pat calls them ‘antifa’ when everyone else calls them and their name is, Antifa, Uppercase A.

    Pat has a way of straddling the fence lately, he’s becoming very Noonan-like in his dotage.

  26. Exile says:

    Fighting the Empire in the suburbs of the Imperial City is hard-going. Dissident VA patriots should take a hard look at going West. I know Southerners are especially tied to the land and their physical roots, but VA will likely prove to be a hill to die on rather than a hill to hold.

  27. @Hibernian

    How is destroying US monuments different from the destruction off the Buddha by Taliban?

  28. “And posses and militias? Dear God. This kind of cluelessness defies belief.”

  29. “Fighting the Empire in the suburbs of the Imperial City is hard-going.”

    What happens when those power transmission towers feeding the Imperial City are knocked out?

    Decades ago the Israelis contracted with the engineering firm Sargent & Lundy to develop power transmission towers that would remain standing if one of the legs were blown up. Lots of towers to get to the Imperial City that would have to be defended by The Empire to maintain modernity.

    Imperial edicts would be good laugh when issued to a cosmopolitan population sans electricity.

  30. @dfordoom

    Setting up some sort of boomer militia that doesn’t stand a chance against the local police force, let alone the military is as gay as it is hopeless. Don’t fight the enemy on their own terms and in a position where they have far superior strength.

    What everyone on the dissident right should be doing now is distancing yourself from any friends or family members that are police or military. They will be the ones coming to get you for being a “nazi”.They shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near your social circle. That’s something effective that everyone can and should be doing right now.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  31. Bert says:
    @RouterAl

    You are correct on all counts. Yes, a new political party to defend the Bill of Rights for the original colonists, white and black, but not for post-Civil War immigrants who, as a group, have misbehaved for over a century. Israeli nuclear weapon use would be threatened, but that would be a bluff if expulsion to Isreal was the action taken.

  32. JimDandy says:

    So, is it still legal for a person to say on an American college campus that Jonathan Pollard has duel loyalties?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  33. @JimDandy

    The Israeli government acknowledged a portion of its role in Pollard’s espionage in 1987, and issued a formal apology to the U.S.,[5] but did not admit to paying him until 1998. Over the course of his imprisonment, Israel made repeated unsuccessful attempts through both official and unofficial channels to secure his release.[6] He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1995.[7]

    Though Pollard argued that he only supplied Israel with information critical to its security, opponents pointed out that he had no way of knowing what the Israelis had received through legitimate exchanges, and that much of the data he compromised had nothing to do with Israeli security. Pollard revealed aspects of the U.S. intelligence gathering process, its “sources and methods”.[12] He sold numerous closely guarded state secrets, including the National Security Agency’s ten-volume manual on how the U.S. gathers its signal intelligence, and disclosed the names of thousands of people who had cooperated with U.S. intelligence agencies.[10] While Benjamin Netanyahu argued that Pollard worked exclusively for Israel,[13] Pollard admitted shopping his services—successfully, in some cases—to other countries.[14]

    Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) investigator Ronald Olive has alleged that Pollard passed classified information to South Africa,[34] and attempted, through a third party, to sell classified information to Pakistan on multiple occasions.[14] Pollard also stole classified documents related to China on behalf of his wife, who used the information to advance her personal business-interests. She kept these secret materials around the house, where investigating authorities discovered them when Pollard’s espionage activity came to light.[35][36][37]

    During the course of the Pollard trial, Australian authorities reported the disclosure of classified American documents by Pollard to a Royal Australian Navy officer who had been engaged in a personnel-exchange naval-liaison program between the U.S. and Australia.[39] The Australian officer, alarmed by Pollard’s repeated disclosure to him of data caveated No Foreign Access Allowed, reported the indiscretions to his chain of command. It recalled the officer from his position in the U.S., fearing that the disclosures might be part of a “CIA ruse”.[39] Confronted with this accusation after entering his plea, Pollard admitted only to passing a single classified document to the Australian; later, he changed his story, and claimed that his superiors ordered him to share information with the Australians.[39]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

    It appears his loyalties are to anything other than his nation of birth.

  34. JimDandy says:

    So, the massive, relentless effort that Israelis and American Jews made to secure his release was because of the fact that Pollard had no particular loyalties to anything. Got it.

  35. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    The Commonwealth of New Africa: an archipelago of southern counties with large percentages of black residents from the Mississippi River to southern Virginia. Counties would hold referenda as to whether or not to join. Folks who don’t want to reside in the commonwealth can sell their property to those who would like to financially back the new state—like wealthy black athletes and entertainers.

  36. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Johnny Smoggins

    What everyone on the dissident right should be doing now is distancing yourself from any friends or family members that are police or military. They will be the ones coming to get you for being a “nazi”.They shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near your social circle. That’s something effective that everyone can and should be doing right now.

    I agree, but you’re up against the overwhelming right-wing instinct to grovel to the police and the military. And to cling to delusions that the police and the military are all white right-wing patriots.

    Don’t fight the enemy on their own terms and in a position where they have far superior strength.

    Obviously correct, but dissident rightists inhabit a fantasy world so they won’t listen.

  37. Charon says:
    @TGD

    If the ruling class wipes out all traces of Robert E. Lee, shouldn’t they do the same for Ulysses S. Grant?

    I’ve a better idea: Let’s put Lee on the $50 bill.

  38. Charon says:
    @Joe Stalin

    “In the U.S., journalists should not be threatened,” she said.

    Well of course not, sweetheart. Everyone knows that it’s journalists who should do the threatening. Just carry on with your important work.

  39. Does anybody still think that, sooner or later, the left won’t be coming for them directly? Leftists can’t be reasoned with, and they can’t stop themselves from trying to control everybody and everything. It’s time to wake up. Prepare yourselves for armed resistance, or prepare yourself for the gulag.

    One last thing: you’d better decide now what is your trigger point, what is the last straw the left does that will finally propel you to armed struggle. Because if you wait until the left is at your door, it will be far too late.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  40. Svevlad says:

    Heather died from fear-induced heart attack, wasn’t even hit, jumped out of the way

    She was probably ill with something too, just being obese doesn’t mean you’ll get a heart attack from fear at that age

  41. Slim says:
    @Priss Factor

    Why not Northern States as well?

  42. Slim says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    You’re correct in your main point but not in your slur. Pat isn’t a “Boomer” as he was born in the 1930s.

  43. bjondo says:

    PB, if you don’t mind:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/ralph-nader-conservatively-speaking/

    What conservative Republican wouldn’t vote for Ralph Nader?

    5ds

  44. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Monotonous Languor

    It’s time to wake up. Prepare yourselves for armed resistance or prepare yourself for the gulag.

    That’s certainly what your enemies are hoping you’ll do. Armed resistance will lead you (or the survivors among you) straight to the gulag.

    You need to let go of the adolescent armed resistance fantasies.

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  45. A “Militia Man” with an assault rifle is one dangerous dude and when combined with a little training is the scourge of all governments who want compliance at the point of a gun.

    Shock of the Mundane: The Dangerous Diffusion of Basic Infantry Tactics
    Leo Blanken, Kai Thaxton, and Michael Alexander
    February 27, 2018

    Conventional wisdom focuses on technological superiority as the key source of American dominance on the battlefield. Even though the United States is clearly still struggling at the strategic level in its fight against terrorists and insurgents, it is supremely confident in its ability to defeat these groups in combat at the tactical level, due in no small part to technological advantages such as total air superiority, remote surveillance, command-and-control systems, precision munitions, and night-vision capabilities. Observers are largely focused on these technologies – such as drones and night-vision goggles – and their potential diffusion to violent non-state actors. What has been overlooked in the debate over the combat potential of violent extremists is the diffusion of something much more rudimentary and potentially more lethal: basic infantry skills. These include coordinated small-team tactical maneuvers supported by elementary marksmanship. The diffusion of such tactics seems to be underway, and it may generate serious concerns for U.S. security policy in the future if ignored.

    [MORE]

    The historian David Edgerton authored a book entitled The Shock of the Old in which he argues that our society’s collective obsession with rapidly changing technology often blinds us to the older tools and techniques that actually drive most of what we observe around us. We believe this logic can be applied here. The diffusion of 100-year old combat techniques, coupled with readily available technology, may create serious threats that are not currently being considered.

    To be clear, we do not argue that the diffusion of such skills will allow extremist non-state groups to defeat U.S. forces in a stand-up fight. America’s enemies have largely (and wisely) avoided sustained combat operations designed to militarily defeat U.S. forces, but have rather developed effective asymmetric offsets – such as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) – designed to sap political will. This strategy will not change. We do, however, argue that the marginal improvement of tactical prowess in violent non-state groups may lead to outcomes that have strategic implications for global U.S. counter-terrorist and counter-insurgent operations in two other ways. First, it will make it more likely that violent non-state groups will be able to more frequently impose casualties on and overmatch small, isolated U.S. elements, as occurred in the tragic Niger ambush of October 2017. Given the current American practice of deploying small units across remote regions of the world, coupled with the extreme political sensitivity surrounding the death and capture of U.S. servicemembers, such outcomes could be a game-changer. Second, the large conventional partner forces the United States has spent billions creating in Iraq and Afghanistan often struggle to simply tread water on the battlefield when operating independently. Any increased combat capacity of extremist groups could lead to the type of collapse the world witnessed with the meteoric rise of the ISIL caliphate in 2014. In sum, improved tactical prowess may open the door for strategic success for these groups, despite their continued inability to defeat U.S. forces in conventional battle.

    Stephen Biddle explains that the modern tactics still practiced by the world’s most advanced militaries were developed by the German army in the closing year of World War I. After four years of brutal trench warfare, all participants were struggling to overcome the stalemate they had created on the Western Front. The proliferation of bolt-action rifles and machine guns, coupled with highly effective field artillery and mortars, fundamentally changed how infantry operated on the battlefield. A Napoleonic infantry battalion of 1000 men with muskets could fire 2000 rounds (with poor aim) per minute to a range of about 100 yards. In comparison, a World War I-era battalion armed with rifles and four machine guns could fire 21,000 rounds (with precise aim) per minute to a range of 10 football fields (1000 yards). The result of this increase of focused fire was to force armies away from the massed formations of the Napoleonic Wars to trenches and bunkers in the face of this “storm of steel.” By distilling and updating skirmishing tactics that stretched back to the 18th century, the Germans developed dispersed, well-trained, small groups of soldiers who were empowered to work as teams. They exploited cover and utilized “fire-and-maneuver,” in which one element of the team suppressed enemy fire while the other element moved to flank the opponent’s position.

    Such tactics remain essentially unaltered a century later. On the one hand, military technology as a whole has changed tremendously over the last 100 years (nuclear weapons, satellites, missiles, et cetera). On the other hand, small arms are almost unchanged. The current Colt M4 carbine has more similarities to the Springfield M1903 (adopted in 1903) than differences. And the Colt M1911 pistol (adopted in 1911) is considered by many to be a superior side-arm to the Beretta M9 that has been issued to the U.S. Army for the last 30 years, and perhaps even the Sig Sauer that is set to replace it. It should not come as a surprise, then, that the core tactics that comprise modern combat have remained largely static.

    It should also not come as a surprise that the U.S. military is extremely good at these basic skills. U.S. military doctrine is thoroughly imbued with these tactics. They were acquired during World War II and embedded into the military’s DNA over the following decades as it prepared to defend the Fulda Gap against the Red Army. To this day, America’s military forces are masters of the maneuver warfare operational concepts within which these tactics play a crucial role. As a result of simply being really good at basic infantry skills, the U.S. military has enjoyed a significant asymmetry over its enemies at the tactical level. This fact appears to be almost entirely lost amidst the current debates over cutting-edge technologies or “the battle of the narrative”.

    Is there evidence that the bad guys are getting better at basic tactics? Yes. Consider Boko Haram. Having only launched its military campaign in 2009, it has already mastered the use of coordinated fire and maneuver elements at the tactical level to execute complex raids, ambushes, assaults, and even withdrawing by echelon when on the defensive. It even staged an amphibious assault that overran a Nigerien Army garrison on an island in Lake Chad. Another example is from much closer to the U.S. homeland. Utilizing tactics diffused through U.S. military training, drug cartels such as the infamous “Zetas” and “Jalisco New Generation” have institutionalized combat training that allows them to regularly wreak havoc on Mexican security forces. In the wake of a recent downing of a Mexican military helicopter through the employment of rocket-propelled grenades, the disturbing discovery was made of tactical gear emblazoned with “CJNG – High Command Special Forces” (Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generacion). Further evidence comes from the Iraqi campaign to defeat ISIL. Conventional forces struggled mightily to eject ISIL from Iraq’s territory, and only succeeded due to the heavy use of Iraqi special operations forces and liberal American airpower. The battle of Mosul, for example, lasted for nine months despite significant material U.S. support and a 20:1 force ratio against the ISIL defenders. Afghan conventional military forces are often defeated by an increasingly competent Taliban. On the other side of the world, Filipino forces had to destroy much of the town of Marawi to liberate it from jihadist insurgents during a five-month siege last year. Furthermore, these enemies seem to be gravitating towards operations in urban areas. These environments hinder the United States and its partners from utilizing their high-tech advantages, resulting in a playing field that could get ever more level. Finally, given the ease with which such groups can infiltrate poorly vetted partner forces, the U.S. military has probably provided tactical instruction to the enemy directly and indirectly for a long time. As one U.S. military advisor in Afghanistan told one of us: “Sometimes a trainee just doesn’t show up right before graduation, and then – sure enough – you are fighting him on the next objective.”

    In summary, rather than celebrating the (shockingly slow) destruction of the ISIL caliphate, the U.S. military should realize that one of its enemies just learned a whole lot about combat: basic infantry tactics, urban operations, and the clever blending of emerging technologies. These lessons will spread globally, and faster than many expect.

    What should be done in response? First, the United States has to recognize that the bad guys will get better. Rather than perpetuating the comforting myth that enemy ranks are saturated with incompetent wackos, planners and policymakers must understand that these groups have highly motivated and – with the right training – potentially capable fighters.

    Second, we need to remember that humans are more important than hardware. The welter of debate over high technology widgets has obscured the fact that technologies are leveraged by individuals and organizations. Biddle wrote a prescient article back in 1996 entitled “Victory Misunderstood” about the implications of the 1991 Gulf War in which he challenged the hypothesis that technology would be the deciding factor on 21st century battlefields. His analysis showed that basic soldiering skills were crucial to the lopsided victory over Iraqi forces. He argued that technology may simply “be magnifying the effects of skill differentials on the battlefield. If so, then a given skill imbalance may be much more important today than in the past”. We proposed a similar argument here. Therefore, the U.S. military needs to not only be wary of the changing skill sets of the enemies of the United States but also keep a similarly watchful eye over the maintenance of our own human capital. U.S. forces are only as good as the men and women they select, train, and develop.

    As a consequence, the U.S. military should stop being one of the best suppliers of tactical instruction to the bad guys. Planners should be more discerning when it comes to building partner capacity. Additional scrutiny should be placed on which partner nation military units are being trained, what roles they will play in the fight, and how large and good they need to be. Most of these nations do not need a Western-style conventional military, but rather a politically reliable force dedicated to internal security and counter-terrorism. In both Iraq and Afghanistan, large (and probably unsustainable) conventional partner forces fight poorly (when they do fight) and, therefore, the specialized counter-terrorism and elite units U.S. mentors have carefully crafted are consistently overused as assault troops. In the words of another U.S. military advisor in Afghanistan, speaking of the country’s elite commando units: “Eight percent of the troops do 80 percent of the fighting.” Rather than choosing to train large numbers of poorly vetted partner conventional forces, the United States should probably choose to save such training (and resources) for smaller numbers of higher quality and better vetted forces. Such efforts will inevitably involve the diffusion of training and technology (and the risk of a future “Zetas” blowback). Therefore, the United States needs to be more mindful about who gets what, and for what purpose.

    Finally – and most importantly – the citizenry of the United States needs to scrutinize leaders’ policy choices more closely when the lives of military personnel are at risk. The days of imposing America’s will on others with impunity may be over. The diffusion of skills and technology, the increased likelihood of messy urban operations, and the waning political appetite for military adventurism should be sobering to our leadership. If the loss of four soldiers rattles our nation, we must think much harder about when we are willing to put our troops in harm’s way.

    Leo Blanken is an associate professor in the Defense Analysis Department of the Naval Postgraduate School. He is the author of Rational Empires: Institutional Incentives and Imperial Expansion (University of Chicago Press, 2012) and co-editor of Assessing War: The Challenge of Measuring Success and Failure (Georgetown University Press, 2015).

    Kai Thaxton is an Army officer with over 20 years of military service. His experience spans multiple theaters and combat rotations working closely with indigenous forces to work toward indigenous solutions. He earned his Master’s Degree in the Defense Analysis Department of the Naval Postgraduate School, where his research focused on the fostering of collaboration among organizations in the face of cultural barriers and incentive challenges.

    Mike Alexander is a special operations officer with 26 years of active service, with extensive combat experience while advising partner nation forces. He earned his Master’s Degree from the Defense Analysis Department of the Naval Postgraduate School, where his research focused on organizational influence among collaborative networks. He currently works on security cooperation and security assistance operations.

    The views expressed here do not represent those of the Department of Defense, or any part of the U.S. government.

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/shock-of-the-mundane-the-dangerous-diffusion-of-basic-infantry-tactics/

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @another anon
  46. One advantage of an American civilian is that you get to choose to spend your own money on the equipment that makes you combat effective. You might not be the uber-sniper with his super-expensive SR-25, but you certainly can benefit by adopting the military idea of the Designated Marksman (DMR).

    How Does the Designated Marksman Concept Apply to the Prepared Civilian?
    January 24, 2015 by lothaen

    In practice, the Designated Marksman concept revolves around additional training more so than additional equipment. Sure the different branches have “accurized” versions of DMR style rifles such as the SAM-R, Mark 12 SPR, and the SDM-R, but they all accomplish the same goal: enable an individual soldier with additional marksmanship training to better engage targets at intermediate ranges. So how does this apply to the prepared civilian? Can any rifle function as a DMR? Can a civilian shooter ever take advantage of a long shot? The first part of this series will define the gun. Hint: It’s not that special.

    [MORE]

    Defining The Gun

    Let’s start off with this: anyone with an AR15 which sports a 1/8 or 1/7 twist barrel where the gun is capable of shooting at least 2 MOA has a weapon that can function in the role of a designated marksman. All the sexy shots of DMR rifles are nothing more than eye candy, and anyone with a decent rifle in the safe can set up their weapon to quickly take advantage of the inherent accuracy of the AR15 platform. You would benefit from three things:

    Free Float System
    Glass
    Ammo

    In all likelihood, your weapon may already be free-floated. Manufacturers want to increase profit margins through perceived value of accessories such as the rail you have equipped now. I am firm in my belief that you don’t need a free-float rail inside of 300-600 yards depending on your goals and experience.

    I have shot to 600 with and without a free-floating barrel, and Shawn makes me look bad when he shoots to 1000 with rack grade Colts. It can be done, but when we set our goal to deliver accurate and consistent fire upon a target at intermediate distances, the advantages of the free float system become apparent.

    Glass is an essential and modern tool. Many more people have woken up to the advantages of glass, and the old timers with “irons only” attitudes are fading away. Quality glass unlocks the inherent accuracy of your weapon by giving you better target resolution and precise cross-hair alignment. Don’t skip it. Instead skip the next rifle purchase and equip the weapons you already have with quality optics.

    Ammo is the final tool you need. 55 grain isn’t going to cut it. At our intermediate distances, we should feed our weapon quality ammo that matches our BDC. I use 69 grain ammo since it translates well for my TA31F, but if I had to do it over again, I would have gone with a .308 BDC ACOG shooting 77 grain ammunition. Here too, out to 500-600-700 yards one could shoot the lighter stuff, but that would lead to frustration and inconsistency.

    M4A1 accuracy vs M16A2

    The above chart is from a military power-point presentation discussing the advantages of proper ammunition selection and upgraded optics. As you can see, a typical M4A1 when equipped with glass and better ammunition (in this case 77 grain MK262) greatly reduces group size on target. The M16A2 *as is* is simply outclassed. This picture makes a valid argument against anyone who still wants to rock the irons or who claims they don’t need glass. No, you don’t *need* it, but you would benefit from it!

    So wrapping up, we can see that any AR15 in your home with a barrel capable of 2MOA or better will be well suited for a DMR type role when equipped with quality glass, better ammunition, and a free float system. A true testament to the AR15’s design.

    With the next post, we will discuss the shooter, and how, when, or if he (or she) will ever have to use such skills as a civilian. – The New Rifleman

    http://looserounds.com/2015/01/24/how-does-the-designated-marksman-concept-apply-to-the-prepared-civilian/

  47. “Nazi/Klan rally” that held your same beliefs?

    Pat needs to learn framing – horrible take here. The media created this ridiculous narrative. And they’ll keep calling Pat a Nazi just the same.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  48. I can’t help but see this as the perfect opportunity for the radical left to destroy the Trump presidency with a single rifle shot. This could be disastrous.

  49. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Joe Stalin

    A “Militia Man” with an assault rifle is one dangerous dude

    Dangerous to himself certainly. Dangerous to every sane person who wants to oppose the current status quo, very much so. Dangerous to the government? Don’t make me laugh.

  50. @dfordoom

    Fine, maybe we should not physically resist the left… or is that also what they want us to do? Maybe anything we attempt is exactly what the left wants us to do, because they’re so infinitely smart that they have all the bases already covered.

    So, chuck-0, since you seem to have such vast knowledge and understanding about the left, why don’t you tell all of us exactly what we should do? For that matter, why don’t you tell us exactly what wonders you’re accomplishing these days? That should be good for a few laughs.

  51. @Joe Stalin

    A “Militia Man” with an assault rifle is one dangerous dude and when combined with a little training is the scourge of all governments who want compliance at the point of a gun.

    Unfortunately, as recent wars show, when man with rifle meets man with air force, even the most primitive one, it is not the rifleman who wins.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Joe Stalin
  52. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @LaserBaker

    Good catch, but why the sympathy? That’s the Establishment framing that Mr. Buchanan does these days.

    “Mr. Paleoconservative” is really Stagehand Right for the Washington puppet show, whose job is to keep people voting GOP in the Next Most Important Election Ever. He caricatures (“Nazi/Klan,” “socialist,” etc., for domestic sheep, “autocrat,” etc., for leaders of countries resistant to Washington control) those who actually dissent.

  53. @another anon

    Here’s the thing, in the USA the hypothetical scenario is NOT about capturing territory, is it? It’s about making the current occupants of the seats of power give up their vision of the future. Think of a giant IRA facing off against a National Guard. Who would win?

    “A man’s worth is counted by his number of rifles.” [1:49]

  54. @another anon

    I remember a very old National Lampoon from the Nixon Era that had US DOT head Claude S. Brinegar considering bringing the DOD under his wing because, after all, ‘don’t they just transport bombs to the target?’

    What happens when that Amazon delivery drone delivers a bomb to a helicopter address?

    • Replies: @another anon
  55. @Joe Stalin

    What happens when that Amazon delivery drone delivers a bomb to a helicopter address?

    Pretty much nothing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/russia-says-it-eliminated-rebels-behind-swarm-drone-attack-in-syria.html

    What will happen when planes and helicopters continue dropping presents at rifleman’s house hour after hour, day after day, month after month, year after year?

    … spoiler space …



    the rifleman loses.

    To be honest, your second amendment types are beyond comical.
    The is little thing called Syrian War going on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

    The most documented war in history, in the age where all knowledge is at your fingertips.

    The war where rebels with lots of rifles and indomitable will rose against the big gubmint, and, because they were good boys, got lots of heavier equipment, stuff you cannot buy in your gun shop, from Santa Claus.

    The war almost exactly designed to test the NRA “my rifle, my dead hands” bullshit.

    The war that the rebels decisively lost, because the gubmint have the air force, and they had jack shit.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  56. Very impressive display of information “at your fingertips.”

    Only thing is, NO ONE is holding any territory to be bombed, are they?

    “The war almost exactly designed to test the NRA “my rifle, my dead hands” bullshit.”

    Only thing is, that “my rifle, my dead hands” bullshit” has worked for two centuries. Even the US government believes it.

    “What will happen when planes and helicopters continue dropping presents at rifleman’s house hour after hour, day after day, month after month, year after year?”

    So, in the hypothetical American scenario, the state government will bomb most of the areas of the state and declare a Great Victory over gun owners?

    Drop the Bomb, Kill Them All!

    After taking a beating like that, I would guess ALL the people will turn into “Flame & Citron,” two Europeans awarded the US Medal of Freedom.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @dfordoom
  57. @Joe Stalin

    So, in the hypothetical American scenario, the state government will bomb most of the areas of the state and declare a Great Victory over gun owners?

    Yes, these are the rules what to do when “riflemen” rise up and start shooting at the government.

    There were, recently, some things going on in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Ukraine and other places, you had opportunity to observe how your fantasy of civil war works in reality.
    I know, you prefer to watch Rambo and Red Dawn again and again, for 10,000th time.

    Your life, your choice.

    After taking a beating like that, I would guess ALL the people will turn into “Flame & Citron,” two Europeans awarded the US Medal of Freedom

    Worked the last time the “riflemen” tried something.

  58. “Yes, these are the rules what to do when “riflemen” rise up and start shooting at the government. ”

    So basically, only a Revolution where you annihilate the government will succeed. All else will result in failure. Okay.

    “Worked the last time the “riflemen” tried something.”

    Once again you are thinking of territory.

  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Joe Stalin

    Only thing is, that “my rifle, my dead hands” bullshit” has worked for two centuries. Even the US government believes it.

    If the US government believed that they’d have taken your guns long ago.

    You have your guns and you’ve still managed to lose all your freedoms and your country is going down the toilet.

    • Replies: @another anon
  60. @dfordoom

    If the US government believed that they’d have taken your guns long ago.

    You have your guns and you’ve still managed to lose all your freedoms and your country is going down the toilet.

    The 300 million (or 600 million or one billion) American guns are just another collector items and fashion statements. Nothing more, nothing less. Gun control talk is just another empty issue to distract the people.

    Just like females are told “unless you buy twenty designer handbags, you are not REAL WOMAN” males are told “buy twenty assault rifles to be REAL MAN”. Capitalism at work.

    If all the talk about “blood of tyrants” and “cold dead hands” meant anything, the gun owners of America would closely watch and study all the revolutions and wars going on in the world.

    Nothing is further from the truth. These people learned all they know about war from watching Rambo and Red Dawn, and this is enough for them, becasue they, deep down, understand that all the talk about “boogaloo” is nothing than fantasy and daydream.

    What is Aleppo?

    What is Aleppo, Mr. libertarian?

    Aleppo is a city.

    Aleppo is a city where libertarianism and gun ownership were tried in real life.

    Aleppo is a city where people driven by indomitable spirit, picked up their guns and excercised their second amendment rights against the big gubmint.

    This is Aleppo now.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  61. And of course, the IRA was bombed into submission and surrendered. Hawker Hunter jets bombed the cities. Film at 11.

    Fidel Castro did NOT succeed in overthrowing Batista. Capitalism thrives in Havana. Daily 737 flights there!

    The USA military has bombed the Taliban into submission; why hasn’t POTUS declared victory and left Afghanistan?

    There is NO Ho Chi Minh city in Vietnam; Saigon is the capitol of South Vietnam still.

    Modern military power wins ALL the time. Look at the Phillipines; no Muslims causing trouble there after they got bombed by Korean supplied FA-50 bombers.

    Never resist because all is futile before the might of the military.

    • Replies: @Aldon
  62. And let’s not forget French Algeria, where the prowess of the French military defeated the insurgent Muslims and allowed France to retain their colony.

    Even the French police got involved and that’s why France runs it in 2020!

  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @another anon

    If all the talk about “blood of tyrants” and “cold dead hands” meant anything, the gun owners of America would closely watch and study all the revolutions and wars going on in the world.

    Nothing is further from the truth. These people learned all they know about war from watching Rambo and Red Dawn, and this is enough for them, becasue they, deep down, understand that all the talk about “boogaloo” is nothing than fantasy and daydream.

    I think that’s true. They’re armchair keyboard warriors. They couldn’t organise a coup to take over the local tennis club, much less threaten the government. If they tried anything they’d all be rounded up and under lock and key within half an hour. But they’re not going to try anything.

    The only thing they serve to do is to discredit political dissent in general.

    • Replies: @Aldon
  64. Cowboy says:

    What’s with the circle jerk of commie fuqs above? The rhetoric belies an insecurity. It’s not force these commies fear but, like Afghanistan, it’s the collective fuq you they fear.

    • Replies: @Aldon
  65. “The only thing they serve to do is to discredit political dissent in general.”

    Translation: “We’ve managing their political dissent and how.dare.they. not consent to the eternal evisceration of their rights?”

  66. “The only thing they serve to do is to discredit political dissent in general.”

    Translation: “We have successfully managed their political dissent and how.dare.they. object to getting off the train to Buchenwald!”

  67. Northam Declares State Of Emergency In Virginia Because “Armed Militia Groups Plan To Storm The Capitol”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/northam-declares-state-emergency-virginia-because-armed-militia-groups-plan-storm-capitol

  68. anarchyst says:

    A headline I would like to see:

    “Virginia Governor,Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General Arrested” (for depriving the civil rights of its citizens)

  69. Ol asshat Pat smeared Solemani fuck him

  70. Aldon says:
    @Cowboy

    So how many immigrants have you kept out of Murica?

  71. Aldon says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Every one of those examples depended on foreign aid (or in the American Revolution’s case symphathizers in the state helping by stalling now and then) like ISIS does, elite support, superior forces failing to intervene against them, their enemy being limited in what they could deploy (recall the Loyalists depending on conscripts), or were in countries with no significant racially or loudly sexually separate populations who could be turned on the revolutionaries or had an undisputed chain of command who told what to do, could play with PR or became a shithole soon after (see Cuba). But tell us more on him how Castro and others had no foreign friends.

    You all have no elite support, aren’t willing to pipe down and follow orders so you’d all just dissolve to infighting soon enough, PR would frame you all as Nazis or Crusaders or just freaks like Timmy McVeigh, no foreigners would support you (rather than at best keep the warring going so that Murica stays weak), would have to fight not just the Deep State but LBGT Whites and Hillary Voters and Kunta Kinte, and wouldn’t have the means to prevent society’s super rot.

    There will be no great revolt. No revolution. Murica will become muddier. Americans are too fat, mongrelized, and gay. This is the future:

    https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1315094-amerimutt-le-56-face

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  72. Aldon says:
    @dfordoom

    You’d think the failures of the Amerinidian to ever achieve a major victory in the struggle against Whitey that let him rule his land rather than be herded off into reservations would be enough to discourage LARPers but noooo.

  73. @Aldon

    Never discount the possibility of a miracle: in Illinois we finally got rid of Chicago’s gun registration after an Asian Federal judge ruled against the gun controllers.

    Is it possible some judge would rule against the gun controllers in Virginia in order to avoid violence?

    Not much apparent foreign activity in the French Algerian war; but interestingly, it did result in attempt to overthrow Charles de Gaulle.

    Are the rights of US citizens an impetus for such things in America?

    • Replies: @Aldon
  74. Aldon says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Amerimutt history

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War#Strategy_of_internationalisation_of_the_Algerian_War_led_by_the_FLN

    Just read it. The pages points out how de Gaulle nd Co. got PR blowback and that the Algerian rebels requested aid from Commies.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  75. @Aldon

    I read that wikipedia article but no numbers to really evaluate what the actual material levels of support were.

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-algerian-revolution-and-the-communist-bloc

    has some levels of delivered weapons, mostly small arms including bolt-action rifles and magazines and belt-fed MG-34 and MG-42 machine guns. Some crew served weapons like mortars.

    I’d say the Virginian civilians can easily achieve any military aim they want if they chose to if the Gov. decided to send the NG in. Would POTUS step in then?

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