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As President Lyndon Johnson and the best and brightest of the 1960s were broken on the wheel of Vietnam, the Biden presidency may well be broken on the wheel of the Taliban’s triumph in Afghanistan.

Less than a week into the chaotic U.S. withdrawal at Hamid Karzai International Airport, a CBS poll found that Americans, while still approving of President Joe Biden’s decision to get us out of this “forever war,” were stunned by how badly botched the withdrawal was being executed.

By 75-25, Americans believe the withdrawal is going badly. And those who believe it has gone “very badly” outnumber by 9-1 those who believe it has gone “very well.”

Biden’s own approval rating has plummeted to 50%, the lowest of his presidency. Yet, the disastrous debacle at Kabul airport is by no means played out. It may yet become worse, far worse.

For it is difficult to believe the United States can get all its citizens out by Biden’s deadline of Aug. 31, and impossible to believe we can withdraw all of our imperiled Afghan allies from that 20-year war who today live in terror for themselves and their families.

And there is a certainty — indeed, it is already happening — that some of those left behind will be subjected to atrocities by rogue elements of the Taliban, if not its leadership. Those atrocities will make for film and footage in the Western press, underscoring the failure of the United States to rescue allies it left behind.

And, with reports already emanating from Afghanistan about food shortages, the country could become a human rights hellhole by fall.

Consider. The Taliban may have been able to overrun 15 provincial capitals and Kabul in a week. But the government officials running those cities cannot readily be replaced by Taliban fighters whose vocation for the last two decades has been fighting a terrorist-guerrilla war.

While the triumphant Taliban have no interest in a renewed war with the United States, they do have an ideological interest in trumpeting their triumph over the superpower and rubbing America’s nose in its defeat.

What, then, are the consequences of America’s humiliation?

Biden’s reputation as a capable veteran of half a century at the highest levels of the U.S. government is being daily deconstructed.

The United States is being portrayed in the world’s media as “a pitiful, helpless giant,” in former President Richard Nixon’s phrase. And that is the America whose public face today is that of Joe Biden.

As for the American people’s appetite for intervention in future wars for democracy and nation building, that is almost surely gone.

Nations that have relied on the U.S. to come fight their wars for them should probably be raising their defense budgets.


Billions of dollars in U.S. military equipment — armored vehicles, Black Hawk helicopters, drones, artillery, mortars, thousands of rifles and thousands of tons of munitions — have been lost. Some of this will end up in Russia and China, with some of it transferred to ISIS and al-Qaida.

And, lest we forget, other dominos did fall in the wake of America’s strategic defeat in Vietnam. Cambodia fell to Pol Pot’s genocidal Khmer Rouge. Laos fell to the Communists.

Ethiopia fell to the Derg in East Africa. The former Portuguese colonies of Mozambique and Angola fell to the Communist bloc. Marxists took over Grenada in the Caribbean. The Sandinistas took Nicaragua.

At the end of the 1970s, our Near East ally, the shah of Iran, was overthrown, and an anti-American Islamic republic led by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was established.

In 1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.

Across the Atlantic, “Euro-communism” took root.

The perception that President Jimmy Carter did not understand the character and purpose of our Communist enemies, and that Ronald Reagan did, was high among the reasons the country took its gamble on the Gipper.

That another casualty of the Afghan fiasco is Biden’s credibility is his own doing. Repeatedly, in recent days, what Biden predicted would never happen did happen. And the president made statements seemingly disconnected to the events on the ground in Kabul.

Often last week, Biden gave off the image of a befuddled man who did not understand what was going on or know what he was doing. Nor are Republicans alone in making the point. Democrats and NATO allies are saying the same thing.

One of the principal casualties of Kabul is the establishment’s grand vision of a U.S. foreign policy for the new century — where liberalism and democratic capitalism have won the battle for the future, and the U.S., victorious in the Cold War, would lead the world in the realization of a new world order where we would write the rules and police the planet.

Biden depicted that new world struggle as between democracy and authoritarianism, and America as leading mankind toward the triumph of democracy.

The debacle in Kabul begins Biden’s leadership of that struggle with America’s worst humiliation in living memory.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

• Category: Foreign Policy, History • Tags: Afghanistan, Joe Biden, Taliban 
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  1. Phipps says:

    If Buchanan were really writing articles, he would never state that America’s foreign wars are about promoting democrcy. The old Pat Buchanana knows that Jews have been calling the shots in Washington D.C. since the 1960s — and these Jews only care about Israel’s interests. Sure, the cunning, scheming, manipulative and deceptive Jews pretend that America fights in the Middle East for “democracy”, but it’s all about promoting the Israeli agenda. The Marines who were bombed in Lebanon in 1983 were only there to promote Israeli interests — and that is why 242 of them died; they were viewed by the Lebanese as an arm of the enemy Iisraeli military. And the Lebanese wre 100% correct about that.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  2. Phipps says:

    The “American” government is not in the Mideast to promote democracy. It is there to promote Israeli interests. Pat Buchanan knows that, so his (Jewish) ghost writer fools no one.

  3. Afghanistan and Vietnam are not comparable, not even remotely.

    US was really traumatized by the Vietnam War. It was fierce and many American soldiers died. It was on the news every day. So, the Saigon moment was the closing chapter, the sad coda, of a very tragic story.

    In contrast, the Afghan War as mostly a peaceful occupation. Over 20 yrs, a mere 2,500 US soldiers died. No one cared about the Occupation, whether it continued or ended.

    Also, there is an element of farce in the Kabul-run. People will forget it in a few months, even weeks. It will all be forgotten… esp as the media will cook up new outrage fads for which half the nation always seem partial.

  4. SafeNow says:

    The Biden administration desperately needs a rebound to demonstrate US military prowess and capability. As luck would have it, Large Scale Exercise (“LSE”) 2021 was conducted Aug 3-16, the largest Naval and Marine exercise in a generation. It was conducted in the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the Mediterranean. The findings of LSE will now serve as the pretext for enhanced exercises, deployments, and budget increases.

  5. The litter box is Exceptionally! full today.

    Anyone who wants to see how Mr. Buchanan serves the Establishment should sift through the Cold War cliches

    the character and purpose of our Communist enemies

    whitewashing of Uncle Sam’s motives

    wars for democracy and nation building

    real time rewriting of history

    Consider. The Taliban may have been able to overrun 15 provincial capitals and Kabul in a week. But the government officials running those cities cannot readily be replaced by Taliban fighters whose vocation for the last two decades has been fighting a terrorist-guerrilla war.

    and subtle cultivation of “our” biggest, scariest enemies

    Some of this [military equipment] will end up in Russia and China, with some of it transferred to ISIS and al-Qaida.

    in, of course, anticipation of the next Most Important Election Ever

    Biden’s own approval rating has plummeted to 50%, the lowest of his presidency.

  6. But,we’re still # 1 …in obesity,drug addiction and suicides right?
    Maybe,”the bitter fruit of intervention” would be a good idea?
    Unless,of course,it’s all over and we should be praying more? Prai\$e

  7. Renoman says:

    This could well end in Civil war in America. The vast majority are embarrassed and fed up with Globalism, Feminism, and Homosexuality. Don’t even mention the BLM disaster. a whole lot of people with a whole lotta guns are not a bit happy nor should they be. What a shit show.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Wokechoke
  8. “…the government officials running those cities cannot readily be replaced by Taliban fighters…”

    Which is why the Taliban, not being stupid like Bush regime viceroy L Paul Bremer II in Iraq, have kept government officials who didn’t run away from their posts in their jobs.

    “Some of this will end up in Russia and China, with some of it transferred to ISIS and al-Qaida.”

    Is Buchanan saying that Russia and/or China are arming ISIS and/or al Qaeda?

    Is Buchanan saying the Taliban will arm ISIS, with whom they have been at war since 2015?

    “And there is a certainty — indeed, it is already happening — that some of those left behind will be subjected to atrocities by rogue elements of the Taliban…”

    This is a bad thing because? What do treasonous Quislings colluding with an imperialist invader deserve?

  9. @Greta Handel

    Yes, it was hard to miss the insinuation that Russia and China are arming ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @follyofwar
  10. Realist says:

    This could well end in Civil war in America.

    Slim chance of that…from past actions the U. S. population will put up with anything. The only chance an intersection has is guerrilla warfare.

    • Replies: @Realist
  11. Realist says:

    Should read, only chance an insurrection has…

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  12. Wokechoke says:

    Goes to show how agile Bill Clinton was, completely evaded a massacre of his own men. Forget for a moment the Somali Operation poison chalice, What did he get as a reward? Impeachment for a jewess giving him a Blowjob!

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  13. @Priss Factor

    US was really traumatized by the Vietnam War.

    There would never have been a Vietnam War if Germany and Japan had not been destroyed during World War II.


    During World War II, the United States provoked and then destroyed the Soviet Union’s mortal enemies, Germany and Japan.

    417,000 American soldiers died.

    After the United States destroyed the Soviet Union’s enemies, the United States was forced to spend half a century containing the Soviet Union.

    This Cold War included the Korean War (36,574 dead American soldiers) and the Vietnam War (50,000 dead American soldiers).

    The United States should have remained at peace with Germany and Japan, and allowed Germany and Japan to contain the Soviet Union.


    For more than a century, the United States has waged wars against nations that pose no threat to the United States.

    The media supports these unnecessary wars with breathtaking lies.

    This dysfunctional process can be stopped by adopting a foreign policy of strict neutrality and by adding an amendment to The Constitution:

    The United States will only wage wars against nations that invade the United States.

    • Thanks: mark green
  14. Wokechoke says:
    @Priss Factor

    This is a whole lot worse. I’m listening to Galaxy transports landing these refugees nearby. Every 20 minutes for the last three hours. Something terrible happened. Is happening.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  15. El Dato says:


    – Bestest surveillance of everything, land, sea, space, cyber. Taliban use WhatsApp, a snoop-friendly application made by some shit outfit financed by NSA money;
    – Bestest jewish politicial theoreticians and think tanks that free money can buy;
    – Bestest regime propaganda channels with bestest CGI: CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, plus a hundred minipapers where “DC Insiders” write daily;
    – Bestest controlled opposition and lefty outfits on board with any war to save gays and transsexuals and the women;
    – Bestest and most numerous club of superpowerful pyramid eye TLAs, even surpassing the Third Reich, staffed with high-profile very expensive people doing their bestest every day;
    – Bestest generals who have gone through the bestest military schools, management evening class and diversity seminars;
    – Bestests gong plates on generals’ breasts since the collapse of the Soviet Union;
    – Bestest special forces in the art of special forcing;
    – Bestest tacticooled gear, including “digital camo”, deluxe scopes and cobalt-reinforced gun barrels;
    – Bestest amount of material on location, indeed there is so much gear they can’t even take it with;
    – Bestest command Hierarchy in the galaxy managed from bestest 5-sided building in the Local Group;
    – Bestest money printing with the fiat currency apparently being absorbed into a never-ending sink with no consequences;
    – Bestest diversity which is our greatest strength, and is increasing;
    – Bestest democracy in the histories of democracies;
    – Bestest enconomy boosting itself to new “stock market heights” in a practically continuous smooth arc;
    – Bestest President who wont the bestest election ever with the bestest Kamalahh!

    Outcome is a high-school “worst picnic” omnishambles where everyone gets hepatitis and some get AIDS.


    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  16. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Glad to see that you noticed this, too, in your other comment.

    Sadly, a substantial portion of the sheople will believe that — or practically anything else — if it’s asserted by a talking head who (they think) is on their side.

  17. „Biden‘s reputation as a competent veteran of government“ — get lost, „Pat“ or whoever is writing the old manipulator’s material these days.

    • Replies: @SMK
  18. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    Good sentiment, sir, but such a law would just be interpreted by the hack „judges“ to let the powers that be wage war whenever they want.

    We need a binding national referendum on ANY deployment of troops more than a few hundred miles from our borders. Require a 2/3 majority of those voting to authorize war or foreign deployment.

    If 2/3 of the referendum voters authorize a war or deployment, require the government to return to the people every year to get our consent to continue the war or deployment. How long ago would we have gotten our troops out of the Middle East and Central Asia if these requirements were in place?

    A principled man named Louis Ludlow almost got a similar mechanism passed to reduce our involvement in foreign wars, Congressman Louis Ludlow of Indiana:

    Rest In Peace, Mr. Ludlow, you had the right idea.

  19. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    If Russia and China do indeed want an end to the Afghan conflict why on earth would they arm ISIS and Al Qaida? Why wouldn’t they back the victorious Taliban against their mortal enemy, the Great Satan?

    Wouldn’t arming Al Qaida increase the threat that they would infiltrate Russia’s Southern border, and destabilize Russia’s large Muslim population? And, isn’t China interested in working peacefully with the Taliban in order to develop the country, decimated by 20 years of US aggression? I thought that they needed Afghan’s rare mineral resources for their high-tech chips. And, to expand their New Silk Road, a favorite topic of Pepe Escobar.

    The whole notion that those two superpowers would arm their CIA/Mossad invented enemies makes no sense to me. If Buchanan believes they will, he needs to make a better argument.

  20. SMK says:

    19 comments in response to Pat’s article, which he wrote himsolf (not by a ghostwriter, jewish of course!), virtually all by lunatics and ignoramuses. Virtually all of them are so psychotic, ignorant, stupid, irrelavant, irrational, and worse that they are not evfen worthy of a response. How does one reason and use facts and logic when arguing with the inmates of a lunatic asylum? The virulent hatred of pat is mind-boggling.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  21. SMK says:

    Pat’s point, obviously, is that Biden isn’t ‘competent.” Biden is a senile and demented buffoon, the worse president in all of U.S. history and he’s only been in office for 7-months, who should be impeached and removed from office under the 25th Amendment.

    To give but one of sundry examples. In a recent appearance, “uncle Joe” said he ran for president for three reasons. “To restore the soul of the nation,” a sense of decency and honor,” the irony of which is priceless, given his lies and crimes and greed and corruption, and his son, Hunter, a depraved crack addict and criminal who should be in prison and would be if one of Trump’s sons. Then he began to roll up his sleeves as a gesture of solidarity with the working class but, as I recall, said nothing thereafter. And he forgot the third reason he ran for president.

  22. @Wokechoke

    I keep wondering, where is the Swamp going to find sufficient housing to settle hundreds of thousands of Afghan “refugees” (as few are vetted and without papers, surely some of these military age men are terrorists and rapists). This on top of millions invading our porous Southern border, with their phony claims for asylum. Already there are millions of discarded homeless Americans, living on the streets, drug addicted, and wallowing in their own excrement. Don’t worry so much about Covid. Worry about the Bubonic Plague.

  23. the Biden presidency may well be broken on the wheel of the Taliban’s triumph in Afghanistan.

    With all the work that went into creating the (((biden Fraudsidency))) don’t bet on it.

    Besides, when was the last time a turdicrat ever voluntarily stepped down due to being disgraced? Being power-hungry sociopaths has its advantages.

    • Replies: @SMK
  24. One of the principal casualties of Kabul is the establishment’s grand vision of a U.S. foreign policy for the new century — where liberalism and democratic capitalism have won the battle for the future, and the U.S., victorious in the Cold War, would lead the world in the realization of a new world order where we would write the rules and police the planet.

    I say:

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire and the JEW/ENGLISH Ruling Class of England are treasonous and evil and they must be politically decapitated and removed from power.

    The ruling classes of England and the American Empire are using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as demographic weapons to destroy cultural cohesion and national sovereignty in the USA and England.

    Morgoth’s Review:

    The same people who turned the west into a surveillance state where people are traumatized into wearing masks and taking experimental vaccines for the sake of public health and safety, are now flying in thousands of people from the world’s most notorious hotspot of terrorism.

    They don’t give shit about your health and they never did. As we have seen over the last 18 months, they always had the capacity to prevent immigrant rape gangs and nail bombs shredding teenage girls at pop concerts.

    Indeed, the resources and the PR mind-benders were actively deployed to quell public discontent and downplay the gore.

  25. @SMK

    How does one reason and use facts and logic when arguing with the inmates of a lunatic asylum?

    Just pick one out, and give it a try.

  26. So what happened to all those Vietnamese who stayed in South Vietnam after the communist takeover? Some had it rough for a while, but life resumed and soon Nike and Coca Cola were hiring.

    The Afghanis who remain under the Taliban will soon find that the Taliban will be coming to them to run things. The Chinese have a laundry list of projects they want to build and the economy has to feed and care for millions of people.

    Stop saying we have to take the best and brightest Afghani grifters. They have a country which needs them.

    Btw, there are approximately 100 million Vietnamese in the world. Taking a few million boat people was a useless gesture that needn’t be repeated.

  27. America should just mind its own business and stop its interventions around the world. Didn’t anything get learned from that fool Woodrow Wilson? It is not America’s job to “police” the world. Americans have got to get this idea out of their head that the peoples of the world all want to be like them and have a similar society and government. The Taliban are taking over because they do not go against the grain of their country’s culture.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
  28. @follyofwar

    It seems to be from the same source as “Russia paid the Taliban bounties” fantasy.

  29. KenH says:

    Radical left media dorks have no right to be upset about the Afghan debacle. They knew that in 2020 they promoted a doddering, senile old man with hair plugs who was way past his prime because he was malleable and them preferable to the racist, fascist orange man and his mean tweets and lack of respect for self righteous journos.

    This is what happens when you have an administration that is the epitome of a race and gender spoils system along with a heaping does of Jews in key positions.

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
  30. @follyofwar

    I note that all the people who are virtue signalling about giving Afghan women asylum elsewhere never mention how those women are supposed to earn a living afterwards. As housemaids? Prostitutes? What?

  31. TTSSYF says:
    @Greta Handel

    I find your comments and writing style akin to nails on a blackboard and about as enlightening.

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
  32. TTSSYF says:

    He was impeached for lying under oath, not for getting a lewinsky, and he also was disbarred. Regardless, I didn’t think he should have been impeached. I think censure by the U.S. Congress would have been more proportionate.

    In my opinion, the half-life for impeachment is growing far too short and approaching third-world standards. Political stability is important. But in the case of Biden, I think it’s warranted.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  33. @Greta Handel

    That’s funny, cuz considering the stuff that Russia and China are manufacturing, why the eff would they WANT our crap? One or two maybe, just to evaluate our weaknesses, but surely not to copy. F-35 anyone?

  34. @KenH

    It really doesn’t matter who gets to be president; the heaping dose of Zionest Jews in power is a given.

    Trump? De Santis? Spare me.

    So I guess we live with sucking up to Israel, but hope for better foreign policy. Domestically, we’re screwed with either party, so the ONLY thing that matters is foreign policy. No more wars.

    At least Trump sorta delivered on that despite all his thundering insults. He didn’t get us OUT of any wars, but at least he didn’t gift us with NEW ones. Can’t say that about Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama. Corpsident Biden might have trouble engineering a new one now because of his disastrous debacle in Kabul, so maybe the plan is to just bring it on home against white people.

    I was gonna write “his” plan, but that befuddled old fool doesn’t even know what century it is.

    Carter started all this stupid shit to get back at the Russians; Reagan gave us Central America, etc.

  35. Thomm says:
    @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    The United States should have remained at peace with Germany and Japan, and allowed Germany and Japan to contain the Soviet Union.

    In case you are not aware, Japan attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor in 1941.

    Had that not happened, what you describe may have been possible. Japan should have instead focused on fighting the USSR and progressing southward to invade Australia.

    But the nature of their attack on Pearl Harbor was precisely the type of attack that could unite the American people into massive retaliation. Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor was arguably the biggest strategic blunder any nation ever made in the last 150 years. Japan remains the only nation to have had atomic bombs dropped on it.

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
    , @Wokechoke
  36. Biden doesnt care if it ruins his Presidency; Its not like he plans on running again; The US will go on just like after Vietnam; who cares what our ”allies” believe; they need us more than we need them; the US is in a unique strategic position in the world; not threatened by any other power and with no need whatsoever of allies; we dont have to worry about any ”dominos” falling; the Taliban are only interested in running their on country not invading anyone else; maybe the Kabul debacle/fiasco will have a silver lining and our free-riding ”allies” will do more and pay more for their own defense.

  37. @Thomm

    Well, you are correct in that it was a strategic blunder by Japan, but maybe we shouldn’t have cut off their oil first, which is what provoked it. Plus, we knew it was coming and let it happen so we could merrily entice everyone to run of to kill Krauts and Japs. Idiocy.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  38. SMK says: • Website
    @Sick of Orcs

    Is Biden so senile and demented that he’s unaware of what an ass and fool he’s made and is making and will continue to make of himself. If he is so aware, even in a vague and limited sense, then he has no pride and dignity and integrity and self-respect.

    If, running for president, I made an ass and fool of myself in public, even once as opposed to dozens of times over a period of months, a contretemps by saying and/or doing what was seen and heard by tens of millions of people in the U.S. and worldwide, I’d withdraw from the race and return to privae life and never run for president again or even make public appearances.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  39. Those living in Afghanistan were typically making outsize incomes based on manipulation of USA aid. Let them figure out how to buy a bus ticket to Pakistan.

  40. Wokechoke says:

    Several main stream historians who’ve dug into the issue have found that the Japanese were cornered by US sanctions and back room manoeuvring. Roosevelt wanted a war with Japan. The mystery is why the Germans piled on. Hitler could have expressed horror that a Yellow nation was attacking a great white nation while he quietly offered Japan technical support on the sly.

    There’s even a case that Roosevelt pushed Chamberlain into declaring war on Germany while encouraging Poland to act unreasonably toward Germany in provocation.

  41. @TTSSYF

    An impeachment of senile Biden is dead in the water, since democrats control both Houses. Anyway, the tyrannical old witch Pelosi wouldn’t allow it to even be debated on the floor.

    The odds are somewhat better that Biden gets removed via the 25th Amendment. All it would take would be for Kamala to turn on Biden and get over half of the Cabinet to agree with her. After Biden’s botched Afghan exit, he could be one huge faux pas away from being ousted.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @carroll price
  42. @Pissedoffalese

    Oil was not the only embargo but also rubber and passage through the Panama Canal. The Jewish financier Jacob Schiff arranged a loan of USD 200 million for Japan so she could beat imperial Russia in 1905 only to have the Jewish press that turned American public opinion against Germany repeat its act against Japan, for neither country had a ‘ democratic’ system of governance that would allow the financiers full and unhindered exploitation. Foreign Secretary Cordell Hull advised FDR “ to manoeuvre Japan into firing the first shot”. Japan was slowly asphyxiating under American sanctions and had no choice but to react despite knowing full well that the consequences of attacking the US would be devastating. The only way that Japan could avoid conflict with the US was to totally surrender to American demands for an unconditional withdrawal from Manchuria, a gross humiliation that the proud Japanese would have never been able to swallow.

    Both Germany and Japan incurred the most humiliating defeat in their long histories courtesy of FDR’s covert promotion of US entry in WWII.

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
  43. @Phipps

    “ The Marines who were bombed in Lebanon in 1983 were only there to promote Israeli interests — and that is why 242 of them died; they were viewed by the Lebanese as an arm of the enemy Iisraeli military. And the Lebanese wre 100% correct about that.”

    Actually a lot of Lebanese, remembering the US marines incursion into Lebanon in 1958 which ended a civil war back then, looked at that time favourably at the American Marines as a stabilising force in a country that had already suffered from civil war and the others’s wars for seven years. Most Lebanese were shocked by the tragedy of the American barracks explosion but the question was and still is : cui bono? The answer might be surprising to most Americans, and that is the one power that never liked the American presence in Lebanon and who could at the same time act with impunity against that presence was Israel as already proven in the USS Liberty incident. For Israelis considered, then as now, that Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt as part of their control zone that they would not share with anyone including the USA unless such a presence is done strictly on their own terms, something that the Reagan administration neglected. Most fingers of accusation for the US Marines blast pointed at the time to the nascent Hizbollah, which up to that point was being armed and financed by Israeli Intelligence who manipulated it into doing Israel’s bidding under the Hizbollah leader Subhi Al Tofaily who up to today is always attacking the current leadership of Hizbollah for keeping arms to resist Israeli aggression. Also, the creation of Hizbollah split the Shias in Lebanon into two warring parties who engaged into deadly skirmishes as a punishment for the Shia clergy having refused to cooperate with Israeli objectives in Lebanon. Sensing the crooked game for what it is, the Iranians turned the tables on Al Tofaily and booted him out of the Hizbollah leadership in favour of Al Mousawi which rendered Hizbollah a sworn enemy to Israeli ambitions in Lebanon.

    • Agree: carroll price
    • Thanks: Rurik
  44. @Priss Factor

    Afghanistan and Vietnam are not comparable, not even remotely.

    I’m not sure I’d go quite that far, Priss. Like Vietnam, Afghanistan was a distant war fought against a Third World people who posed no direct threat to the US security.

    Neither Afghanistan or Vietnam ever attacked the US or sought conflict with the US.

    It is true that the US has not had anywhere nearly as many military causalities in Afghanistan as in Vietnam, but the expense and degree of total human suffering in Afghanistan that’s been caused by US actions should not be ignored.

    In the greater Afghanistan war zone (which includes Pakistan) US forces have directly killed some 241,000 people, wounded far greater numbers, and caused additional suffering of millions more.

    The US has also burned up some two trillion dollars in Afghanistan since 2001, even though 911 terrorist suspect Osama Bin Laden (our alleged reason for going into Afghanistan) was liquidated in Pakistan in 2010.

    When one considers the unjustified destruction of Iraq and Libya this century, as well as the ongoing subversion of both Syria and Iran, Zio-America surely looks to be the global menace (Evil Empire) of the 21st century. Afghanistan is just one chapter in a ruthless, Zionist playbook that is still underway.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  45. Max Payne says:

    At least Biden fulfilled the MAGA promise. Make Afghanistan Great Again.

    The gear these guys are capturing. At least they don’t have to worry about internal security.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  46. @SMK

    Agreed. biden’s more difficult to hate because he’s clearly diminished, just like 70 million of his 81 million voters are hard to hate as they reside in cemeteries.

  47. Rurik says:

    As for the American people’s appetite for intervention in future wars for democracy and nation building, that is almost surely gone.


    because, (unless you’ve been living in a cave ; ), it’s more than abundantly obvious where the real terrorist threat to America lies..

    right here!

    Who’s got time for fighting terrorists thousands of miles away, when there are 80 million domestic terrorists within our very own borders!

    It’s going to require the full weight and force of all our military and intelligence and federal law enforcement wherewithal to bring these enemies of freedom and the American way to their overdue Climate Justice!

    • LOL: Sick of Orcs
  48. @follyofwar

    I wouldn’t bet on Kamala ever making it back from her hide-and-go seek trip to southeast Asia. Thus clearing the way for Nancy to assume the presidency following Biden’s removal under the 25th Amendment.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  49. @Joe Levantine

    Thank you for your considered response, Mr. Joe.

    Nothing is ever as simple as it seems, but I was just throwing shit out there. Just the vague shit that I’m aware of, but you are correct. Oil and rubber were probably not the ONLY things that motivated US entry into the war. Zionists, money, and FDR just ITCHING to get into it, and probably umpteen other reasons we are still not privy to.

    I can’t believe we finally found out about the Lusitania loaded with weapons.

    They even WARNED us.

    But our trusty press said it was all propaganda.

    100 years later they find the bastard laden with bombs.

    (Yes, Lusitania was WWI, I know). It just took that long. Unreal.

    Believe nothing.

    • Agree: Rurik, Joe Levantine
  50. @Phipps

    No fucking way he is writing these atrocious articles. I think he sold his name to the propaganda machine for some big quick bucks.

  51. @TTSSYF

    Why the insult? He/She/It said nothing to deserve that.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  52. Greta, I mean no insult, just I wouldn’t want to ASSUME your pronouns, so I added them all. Hope you can take a wink and a joke.

    • Agree: Greta Handel
  53. Greta Handel has made an important observation.

    Buchanan is spreading the very “Destroy This Mad Brute” propaganda officialdom uses to send troops and military industrial complex hardware abroad.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  54. @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    One of the most astonishing articles I have ever read was a prediction of the US attempt to conquer Southeast Asia, in a 1942 issue of the Paris Signal, the flagship publication of the German government’s media department – oh, sorry, I mean, the evil Nazi lying propaganda machine. As Churchill is supposed to have remarked, a day late and a dollar short as always, “we slaughtered the wrong pig” in the so-called good war.

    • Thanks: mark green
  55. @Max Payne

    You’ll be delighted to know that beyond the 2 trillion pissed away and leaving 85 billion in military hardware behind for our enemies, turdocrats plan to raise taxes.

    Secession can’t come soon enough.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  56. @Pissedoffalese

    Don’t hold your breath awaiting a substantial response.

    And from what I recall of TTSSYF, a reaction like hers is as good as the cherished Gold Box (aka Gilded Cage, per commenter JimDandy) bestowed by Mr. Unz.

    target, flak

  57. @Astuteobservor II

    What –I was complimenting myself on knowing more than that “Supposed” Pat Buchanan ‘Ghost writer’ guy or gal. Jethro or Ellie May —come around and “lissen awhile” –Donald Rumsfeld Ordered War on Afghanistan and strong armed NATO and G7 to take part or else !! Now 20 years later and 2.14 trillion dollars poorer–USA departs Afghanistan and MUST now negotiate with Taliban. The sheer Irony of this IS —-Donald Rumsfeld stated he would NOT deal with Taliban in Afghanistan but in 2021 –USA MUST deal with Taliban——-hope this helps –a complete gong show and USA should be forced to pay Reparation Payments —-4 Trillion should be assessed and Sirs Blair, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld sent to the Hague as War Criminals….911 —what a science fiction production. The storyline is worse than WWF –and that is pretty low with Towers of Doom—–Diesel —Big Boss Man—Undertaker —

  58. @Astuteobservor II

    Reads like something George W or Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld is penning without being proof read–complete nonsense.

  59. @Observator

    Before World War II, Germany made repeated peace overtures to Great Britain.

    But influential elites within Great Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union worked together to bring all 3 of these nations into an unnecessary war against Germany.

    World War II caused the disintegration of the British Empire, which ruled one quarter of the world before the war.

    The loss of the largest empire in the history of the world and the deaths of 450,900 British soldiers was a staggering price for Great Britain to pay for an unnecessary war against Germany.

    An intact British Empire could have contributed to containing the Soviet Union in the 20th century and containing China in the 21st century.

    World War II was the beginning of the end of centuries of western dominance over the world.

  60. @carroll price

    Could be like what happened to Buchanan’s favorite potus, Richard Nixon. TPTB was pressuring Nixon’s to resign over the trumped up Watergate burglary, but they didn’t want a buffoon like Agnew to replace him. So they came up with a frivolous charge of corruption against the VP, forcing him to plead “nolo contendere” (no contest) to the charge. Agnew, to the end of his days, always said he was innocent.

    So, TPTB selected Gerald Ford, a favorite of the establishment, to replace Agnew. Not long after, Ford ascended to the presidency, the only one to never appear on a presidential ballot. I doubt if TPTB want to see a President Pelosi. Who wants to see two successive aged Commanders-in-Chiefs afflicted with dementia? So, look for Biden to name Hillary as his VP after Harris resigns, after which he’ll quickly exit the back door before being removed via the 25th Amendment. Maybe Kamala will also plead No Contest.

  61. @follyofwar

    Can Bidet name Killary as his vice president under your system?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  62. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    That’s also covered by the 25th Amendment. If there is no current VP, the president nominates a new VP, who must then be confirmed by both houses of congress. It’s not my system, friendly terrorist.

  63. @follyofwar

    The actions you have outlined might occur but will be overtaken by a strong Republican showing in the off year elections. So strong that Donald Trump will be elected Speaker of the House. Then he will preside over the impeachment of both Biden and Harris and when the offices are vacant he as speaker of the House will ascend to the presidency. All neat and totally constitutional. They’re already talking about it.

    • LOL: follyofwar
  64. @Priss Factor

    Agree. The trauma of Vietnam was related to conscription, without conscription no one would have cared.

    Afghanistan will just become a foot note and the networks will move on to the next big story of the week.

  65. “interventionism”? Nah, this is the bitter truth of “acting like a rapist” – people don’t like you if you do!

  66. Realist says:
    @Greta Handel

    The blogosphere is full of articles ranting about how the Deep State/power elite/MIC or any of myriad other designations for those in control, have really screwed up losing the Afghanistan war. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The purpose of the Afghanistan war as well as the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and all other military excursions was to give the Deep State wealth and power…which has been an unmitigated success. The power elite is wealthy and powerful beyond their wildest dreams.

    The Deep State will now move on to the next phase of its quest for total control.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  67. MarkinLA says:
    @Pittsburgh Thatcherite

    Somehow the US is to blame for Japan attacking it now? Japan was planning to attack the US for months before they actually did. They had a plan to take by force the resources in Southeast Asia and viewed the US Navy as their primary adversary.

    Maybe if they had realized just what their relative military and economic power was and ended the second Sino-Japanese war before they got too deeply in, they could have avoided the whole mess. Oh wait, they started that one too. They didn’t have the economic or military muscle to even beat China at the time.

  68. MarkinLA says:

    As Pat continues his march into irrelevancy, I do wish he would write his final book on a real behind the scenes look at his heros.

    Imagine a chapter about all the derisive names the Reagan administration came up with for the white working class and his base of voters as they plotted to ruin their lives and destroy their economic and political power. Pat was right there. I bet there were some real doozies.

    Another chapter could be about how he planned to cancel the black voting block by creating a Mestizo block of his own. Of course, they were too cleaver by half as the Brits say. Imagine those discussions. I imagine terms like lazy, useless, and pieces of shit were mild compared to what was commonly mentioned when talking about them.

    I could go on and one about things like guest workers to destroy the value of college degrees, the CIA financing illegal wars with drug money, Iran Contra and on and on. The great thing about such a book is that it won’t be the usual one where somebody dug out some obscure piece of paper from the Reagan Library with dry commentary. This one would include all the contempt the Reagan administration had for the average American and a more complete picture of the people in the government.

  69. MarkinLA says:

    Except that the Phillipines were to be given independence in 1946. The leaders of the Phillipines asked the US to accelerate it in the hopes that Japan would not invade if they were no longer part of the US. I doubt the Japanese would have let them off if the IJN deemed it was necessary to occupy it.

    The funny thing is the Philipinos fought with the US. Maybe Japan’s brutal treatment of the people in occupied territories had something to do with it.

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