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Winter has often proven an indispensable ally of Mother Russia.

The impending winter of 1812-13 forced Napoleon’s withdrawal from Moscow, a retreat from which his Grande Armee never recovered.

The winter of 1941-42 sealed the ultimate fate of the invading armies of Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich.

Vladimir Putin’s new strategy in the war he launched on Ukraine in February is to conscript the coming winter of 2022-23 as an ally of his failing army.

For weeks, there have been reports of Russian air, missile and drone strikes on power plants in every major Ukrainian city.

The false report that a Russian-fired rocket had landed in Poland, killing two civilians, came on a day when 100 Russian bombs, rockets, missiles and drones hit “infrastructure” targets across Ukraine.

It was the heaviest Russian barrage to date in the nine-month war.

Putin’s goal: As the Ukrainian army battles the Russian army in the Donbas and Kherson, the power grid upon which the Ukrainian nation and people depend is to be systematically attacked, shut down, destroyed.

Without electric power, there will be no light or heat in Ukrainian homes, hospitals, offices or schools. Without electricity, food cannot be preserved, stoves do not work, water cannot be pumped.

Without power, light and heat, Putin’s expectation is that the Ukrainian people, who have patriotically supported their army, will, in the tens of thousands this winter, be at risk of freezing to death in the dark.

Winter, from mid-December to mid-March, is the coldest and darkest of the seasons, and it begins in four weeks.

On Friday, CNN reported that, after the latest wave of Russian strikes, 10 million Ukrainians, a fourth of the nation, were without power.

“Russia is turning winter into a weapon, even as its soldiers flail on the battlefield,” wrote The New York Times on Sunday. “In a relentless and intensifying barrage of missiles fired from ships at sea, batteries on land and planes in the sky, Moscow is destroying Ukraine’s critical infrastructure, depriving millions of heat, light and clean water.”

Ukraine’s state energy company adds: “Due to a dramatic drop in temperature, electricity consumption is increasing daily in those regions of Ukraine where power supply has already been restored after massive missile strikes on November 15 on the energy infrastructure.”

The U.S. stance in this war is that the fighting stops and peace talks begin only when Kyiv says the fighting stops and the negotiations begin.

But Americans, whose support for Ukraine has been indispensable in this war, also need to have a voice in when the war ends.

For us, the greatest stake in this Russia-Ukraine war is not who ends up in control of Luhansk, Donetsk or Kherson, but that we not be drawn into a military conflict that would put us on the escalator to a war with Russia, a world war and perhaps a nuclear war.

Nothing in Eastern or Central Europe is worth a major U.S. war with Russia that could go nuclear and cost millions of American lives.

The Donbas and Crimea may be of great importance to Kyiv and Moscow, but nothing in these lands would justify a U.S. war with a nuclear-armed Russia, the kind of war we managed to avoid through the Cold War from 1949-1989.

The recent incident of the S-300 surface-to-air missile misfired by Ukrainian forces, which landed several kilometers inside Poland, killing two Polish citizens, is a case in point.

Hawkish cries for NATO retaliation against Russia, under Article 5 of the NATO treaty, revealed that America’s War Party is still very much with us and eager for the next confrontation with Putin’s Russia.

ORDER IT NOW

In the final days of this lame-duck Congress, before control of the House passes to Republicans in January, Democrats are expected to approve Joe Biden’s request for another $38 billion for the Kyiv regime, its army and its war. Passage of this legislation would virtually guarantee that the U.S. continues to finance this war and extend the fighting until spring.

Why would we do this?

The U.S. ought not dictate to Kyiv when it should move to the negotiating track to end this war. But we Americans do have, given our indispensable contributions to the Ukrainian war effort, the right to tell Kyiv when we believe that the risks of further fighting exceed any potential gain for us; and, if Kyiv is determined to fight on, to give notice that Ukraine will be doing so without any more U.S. munitions.

Great powers should never cede to lesser powers, unconnected to their vital interests, the capacity to drag them into unwanted wars.

The Polish missile incident, and the noisy clamor that arose for retaliation against Russia for hitting a NATO country, exposed the risks inherent in our many treaty commitments, where we are obliged to go to war for scores of nations, most of which are not remotely related to the security or vital interests of the United States.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. I don’t agree that Americans need to have a voice when the war ends.

    It’s a long way from the American coast. What’s the connection?

    • Agree: Atle
  2. Dachaguy says:

    Buchanan is just plain wrong when he states that Russia taking out the energy infrastructure in Ukraine is an attack on the citizenry. Destroying the ability to use available energy systems is a military objective. It’s what America did first when they attacked, Czechoslovakia, Iraq, Libya, etc.

    He also notes Russia’s army is failing despite accomplishing many of its objectives with a small contingency of soldiers. America never makes objectives of their military campaigns clear and they constantly change them to fit events on the battlefield. It’s impossible to understand if America is succeeding or failing.

    Russia, on the other hand, clearly articulated their objective from the onset and then systematically achieved them. Buchanan labels this as failing. His comment suggests he doesn’t understand the difference between a military decision and a political decision. Russia’s retreat from Kherson was a military decision and a correct one.

    Russia’s next objective, as clearly stated, is to end this conflict and not accept a Syrian solution where hostilities never end. We’re about to see if Russia succeeds or fails.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @brostoevsky
    , @nokangaroos
  3. Mr. Buchanan all year has been hiding a big lie in apparent non-interventionism:

    The Polish missile incident, and the noisy clamor that arose for retaliation against Russia for hitting a NATO country, exposed the risks inherent in our many treaty commitments, where we are obliged to go to war for scores of nations, most of which are not remotely related to the security or vital interests of the United States.

    Note, too, the typical lapse back into pronoun propaganda to serve this whopper. He’s softening up the naively patriotic to jump on board when the Right ordnance starts to fly.

    No, this has nothing to do with Mr. Buchanan’s age, or some tactical effort to keep his seat on a TV show no one’s watched since the last century. Look back at his 2022 archive, and you’ll see that Mr. Piñataconservative has repeatedly been busted, including for truncating Article 5 to omit the language reserving to each NATO member discretion as to whether and how to respond to any attack on another.

    If yours becomes Uncle Sam’s next Gold Star Family, be sure to have “Pat” credited for his Exceptional! service, too.

    • Thanks: Realist
  4. If neoconservative and Jewish hawks didn’t run the Biden regime, the conflict in Ukraine could have been stopped at once. The US is pumping tons of money into the Fascist regime in Kyiv that disappears in dark channels. Responsible for this conflict is the expansion of NATO to the Russian border. President Vladimir Putin mentioned this fact several times, just ever, in his Munich speech in 2007. The US and its European flunkies organized the coup in 2014 and established a NAZI regime in Ukraine. The regime in Kyiv tried several times to drag NATO into the conflict, the last time when they fired missiles into Poland. Don’t be naive and think it didn’t happen on purpose. The support of the regime in Ukraine should stop at once. The billions of US dollars should be spent on the more than 40 Million poor American citizens.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @animalogic
  5. Wokechoke says:

    The Ron Paul Wing, The Buchanan wing…

  6. @Dachaguy

    It’s hard to say what Moscow’s next move is. Regardless they’ll have to do something big and very soon. The only logical way to end this is to seize the whole country now. Puppet government in Kiev afterwards? Only Putin knows. Get your popcorn ready and some cold beers before the show. It’s gonna be a wild ride.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @JosephD
    , @Badger Down
  7. Well, well, more irrefutable evidence that Putin is not only Hitler, but Napoleon too. Odd coincidence that both men chased British invasion armies out of Europe, what. Let’s see if the latest Most Evil Tyrant Ever™ can pull off a repeat, if Senile Jo gets desperate enough to send in the 101st.

  8. Renoman says:

    Russia has bent over backwards to try and get this done without destroying the country and the USA just will not let up on the slaughter of Ukrainians and Russians too. America is responsible for this mess and the large load of lies about it are blowing back in their face. They should be ashamed of this ignorant behavior. Russia will finish this and America will fade away where they belong.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
  9. There never was any danger of war with Russia over the incident of an apparent errant Ukrainian missile landing in Poland; I am certain Poland and Mr Duda have been told clandestinely not to invoke Artice 5; It is foolish to believe USA Government would cede to Poland the right to drag it into a war with a nation-state like Russia which could blow USA off the face of the planet; we can be certain there are certain mechanisms in place to prevent this; Article 5 has always been a fraud; USA Government is afraid not of a NATO member invoking Article 5 but the response when the USA refuses to defend the NATO member; when it becomes clear Article 5 is a fraud Europeans will abandon NATO form their own defense alliance some will acquire nuclear weapons and America’s days of hegemony in Europe will be over. Negotiations will have to begin at some point probably when one or both sides have exhausted themselves. Mr Putin may have enlisted General Winter but the Russians must fight in winter conditions as well.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  10. George 1 says:

    “Russia is turning winter into a weapon, even as its soldiers flail on the battlefield,” wrote The New York Times on Sunday. “In a relentless and intensifying barrage of missiles fired from ships at sea, batteries on land and planes in the sky, Moscow is destroying Ukraine’s critical infrastructure, depriving millions of heat, light and clean water.”

    Well, that damned Putin. How dare he make Ukrainian lives “uncomfortable?” We neocons only want the people in the Donbass to suffer the ravages of war. The rest of Ukraine should be left alone. To do otherwise is not sporting and “Against the rules based world order,” don’t you know?

    So it is OK that since the CIA coup in 2014, that the Russian speaking people in East Ukraine have been mercilessly attacked and murdered by the tens of thousands. But, if Russia intervenes to stop that? Why then Putin is worse than Hitler.

    According to the always accurate NYT, Russian soldiers “fail on the battlefield”. OK. If killing approximately 1 million soldiers fighting on the Ukraine/NATO side can be considered failing.

    • Agree: Notsofast
  11. Republic says:

    I expect Zelensky to get the Diem treatment soon

    • Agree: nokangaroos, P. Cleburne
  12. “Pray that your flight may not be in winter.”

    Who is to say the same fate will not befall the rest of the world after the 👹US, NATO, and other Neocon geniuses👺 set off WWIII’s nuclear winter?

  13. @Dachaguy

    I have yet to see the Americans attack Czechoslovakia (at least for the Czechs,
    couldn´t happen to a nicer bunch of assholes 😛 ).

    But seriously, Pat´s (((MSM))) lies beg some clarification:
    The Russians do not attack power plants but transformer stations,
    mostly the 330kV nodes; these are impossible to harden but can be repaired
    inside a week if need be.
    The Russians do not attack water plants – spreading waterborne diseases
    is an USraeli mainstay; by contrast the (((Ukies))) are fighting in enemy
    (= Russian) country so had no qualms about blowing up water and power
    plants on the retreat from Donbass (as instructed by their massas) and now have no
    qualms about bombing Europe´s largest NPP (without any conceivable military
    benefit and absent any “fighting” – looking at you, (((Grossi))) ).
    Water should be off limits in any war – were a million Iraqui children dying of
    leishmaniosis (of all things) really “worth it”?
    The Russians do not attack heat infrastructure; the attacks on (unspecified)
    gas infrastructure were a shot before the bow because the Ukies were siphoning
    off gas destined for Germany (with German “approval”); by contrast they did not
    take out the main boiler centrally heating most of downtown Keeheef,
    even though it would have been easy.

    Lloyd Austin was right about one thing – this is about the future of the Zio world order.

  14. Phibbs says:

    “Great powers should never cede to lesser powers, unconnected to their vital interests, the capacity to drag them into unwanted wars.” Mr. Buchanan, what do you think the Jews of Israel and America have been doing for the last 65 years? All they do is drag their government in Washington D.C. into wars for Israel.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @follyofwar
  15. Rurik says:
    @Phibbs

    “Great powers should never cede to lesser powers, unconnected to their vital interests, the capacity to drag them into unwanted wars.”

    Mr. Buchanan, what do you think the Jews of Israel and America have been doing for the last 65 years? All they do is drag their government in Washington D.C. into wars for Israel.

    I noticed that too.

    There’s no way that Buchanan (or whomever is writing it) doesn’t know that the current war with Russia is by way of ((tail)) wagging the dog.

    As it has for over a hundred years

    it wasn’t an accident that Trump bombed Syria on April, 7 2017. It was the one hundred year anniversary of Woodrow Wilson signing the declaration of war on Germany, (as per the Balfour Declaration).

    The Jews like that kind of ‘celebration’ of certain historic dates. What better way to commemorate that inglorious ignominy to Jewish supremacism than to bomb a Jewish adversary on the hundred year anniversary of America’s official status as blood-stained dog of Zion?

  16. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    If yours becomes Uncle Sam’s next Gold Star Family, be sure to have “Pat” credited for his Exceptional! service, too.

    did you even read this?

    “But Americans, whose support for Ukraine has been indispensable in this war, also need to have a voice in when the war ends.

    For us, the greatest stake in this Russia-Ukraine war is not who ends up in control of Luhansk, Donetsk or Kherson, but that we not be drawn into a military conflict that would put us on the escalator to a war with Russia, a world war and perhaps a nuclear war.

    Nothing in Eastern or Central Europe is worth a major U.S. war with Russia that could go nuclear and cost millions of American lives.

    The Donbas and Crimea may be of great importance to Kyiv and Moscow, but nothing in these lands would justify a U.S. war with a nuclear-armed Russia, the kind of war we managed to avoid through the Cold War from 1949-1989.”

    His entire article is staunchly anti-war

    “But we Americans do have, given our indispensable contributions to the Ukrainian war effort, the right to tell Kyiv when we believe that the risks of further fighting exceed any potential gain for us; and, if Kyiv is determined to fight on, to give notice that Ukraine will be doing so without any more U.S. munitions.


    Great powers should never cede to lesser powers, unconnected to their vital interests, the capacity to drag them into unwanted wars.

    Article Five or no Article Five, the whole pretext of NATO is that it is based on the idea that any attack on one NATO country, is an attack on them all. Hence the danger when Poland was bombed. The (((war pigs))) were scrambling to drag America into the war.

    I agree that much of what Pat Buchanan writes of late is kosher nonsense with too may paeans to the official narrative. And this article had some of that too. But his main thrust is that war with Russia is madness, and we need to rein in these ((chicken-hawks)), or make our peace and say our goodbyes. Because unlike our State Dept. and assorted zio-war pigs, Buchanan understands Putin and Russia far better than they do. He’s been railing about NATO encroaching into Russia’s backyard for decades now, saying it won’t end well. At least in this article, he sounds again like the adult in the room.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  17. And only 6 weeks ago Paddy had Russia losing.

  18. @Rurik

    You used 400 words to evade what I pointed out, and have been pointing out since January.

    Mr. Buchanan always includes “paeans to the official narrative” like the Article Five war guarantee. Note, too, the typical personified atrocity porn about Uncle Sam’s targets:

    Putin’s goal: As the Ukrainian army battles the Russian army in the Donbas and Kherson, the power grid upon which the Ukrainian nation and people depend is to be systematically attacked, shut down, destroyed.

    Without electric power, there will be no light or heat in Ukrainian homes, hospitals, offices or schools. Without electricity, food cannot be preserved, stoves do not work, water cannot be pumped.

    Without power, light and heat, Putin’s expectation is that the Ukrainian people, who have patriotically supported their army, will, in the tens of thousands this winter, be at risk of freezing to death in the dark.

    Winter, from mid-December to mid-March, is the coldest and darkest of the seasons, and it begins in four weeks.

    That didn’t make the cut when you pasted most everything else he wrote in today’s “staunchly anti-war” article.

    It’s been a long, long time since Mr. Buchanan was any threat to the Establishment.

    • Agree: true.enough
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  19. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    That didn’t make the cut

    because it wasn’t to my point – that his article is anti-war, as Buchanan has reliably been since I can remember, even questioning the ‘Great One’, which is a no-no extraordinaire

    It’s been a long, long time since Mr. Buchanan was any threat to the Establishment.

    If he ever was. In fact, I’d say he’s been an integral part of it, from the beginning.

    But as such, he has done what he could, within the constraints of that window, to perhaps push it a little to the right, to make the case against war and mass-immigration and the cultural sewage being force-injected into our society.

    He’s no David Duke or Ron Unz, willing to take on the beast, but rather he’s been an establishment icon of the right, albeit the acceptable right. Nonetheless he’s always been against the wars, and like I said, the woke insanity and such, and because of his stature and his connections and his command of history and politics, his perspective has always been of interest to me. Perhaps less so as he mellows into his golden years, but as war looms, and the war pigs connive and contrive, it’s good to hear the voice of seasoned and judicious prudence.

    • Replies: @true.enough
  20. Babyface Czar’s Winterschlacht

    is a mare’s nest. It will never happen.

    instead, Vlad’s fake and gay liddle war in Ukraine,

    will fizzle and sputter ever onward, backward, onward, backward,

    until someone in Russia

    liquidates Babyface Czar.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  21. Great powers should never concede to lesser powers ..the capacity to drag them into war.

    Like that idiot Chamberlain did with his insane pledge to Poland in 1939 or tsarist Russia’s foolish support for Serbia preWW1.

  22. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    If America would mind its own business, none.

  23. @Max Maxwell

    It is foolish to believe the US government would cede to Poland the right to drag it into a war.

    Britain did in 1939.

    • Agree: P. Cleburne
  24. @Renoman

    America is responsible for this mess and the large load of lies about it are blowing back in their face.

    Eh, not so much. It wasn’t even really an issue in the last election. The lies never end here, and the electorate are quickly distracted by the newest lies.

    • Replies: @P. Cleburne
  25. Wrong, Pat. America has exactly zero business in Ukraine; still less on a go-forward basis. The US had its say when in 2014 it threw Ukraine to the Jewish-nazi wolves. As far as I’m concerned, the war crimes committed by the Kiev puppet regime against the people of the Donbass are American war crimes. Like, more of them, added to the hundreds already (not) on the dockets.

    Stop suggesting the US will ever stand off from mongering war everywhere on everybody, and certainly never as a result of awakening to some enlightened self-interest deriving from more responsibly conserving its military guarantees to every backward little fuckwad tyranny itching for the Yankee golem to take on some historic enemy from its own tortured past.

    Don’t you get it? I think you do. I’m talking about a key MO by which the US starts wars it wants ta happen. I think they first figured this out when the US broke their promise (although that behavior was not new) and formed a military alliance with what would become South Korea, causing the North to begin understanding what lying scumbags the Americans have since confirmed themselves to be, over and over again.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  26. As history shows, history repeats itself. Every empire eventually falls: every empire thinks it won’t. Even the prospect of nuclear destruction can’t seem to prevent it, ultimately.
    https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Agree: P. Cleburne
  27. @Veteran Aryan

    “…the last election…” comical!

    LMAO…”elections”

    “the “electorate”….hahaha…you’re all wrapped up in that fake stuff…

    After the shtf, as it inevitably will, and the herd is culled and the cleansing stops and the partitioning is in place, then we can talk about elections again.

  28. Sean says:

    The Russian army is crapola, just as the much larger Soviet one was according Mearsheimer (said in his first book back in the 80s). Putin came to power in a backward country that had been so for half a millennium, and was suddenly falling even worse than usual. Lost in a sea of troubles, he decided to take up arms. Post the invasion of Georgia there was no way Nato countries would accept the Ukraine as a full member, but because they all want to be friends with the US they kept saying every year that Ukraine would join one day.

    The U.S. ought not dictate to Kyiv when it should move to the negotiating track to end this war. But we Americans do have, given our indispensable contributions to the Ukrainian war effort, the right to tell Kyiv when we believe that the risks of further fighting exceed any potential gain for us; and, if Kyiv is determined to fight on, to give notice that Ukraine will be doing so without any more U.S. munitions.

    Deep down, Ukraine wanted this war, or at least wished for things only this war might bring them. Ukraine’s only chance of getting back Donbass and Crimea (like France’s only chance of getting back Alsace and Lorraine) was a war in which they’d have the backing of powerful allies, who would increase assistance the worse Ukraine did. Ukraine is winning; hence Ukraine will not willingly stop and increasingly start pretending it is doing worse than it is.

  29. DanFromCT says:
    @Greta Handel

    I’d never heard the expression “pronoun propaganda” before, and thanks. You nailed it. I take it you mean that the pronoun sleight of hand embedded in the rest of the article is PB’s insinuation that the ZOG and its flunkies in the Pentagon are in any way “ours” or that there’s any significant “we” involved outside the Beltway.

    It’s also disappointing to see him rely on the most anti-Christian publication on the planet for news about the Jews’ war against Russia. He might at least acknowledge that the “our” he speaks of is a ZOG that’s as much at war destroying America and Europe as it is Russia while simultaneously depopulating the Ukraine to make way for a new homeland for an Ashkenazim empire.

  30. @Phibbs

    In defense of Buchanan, he has been consistently opposed to fighting wars for lesser powers, that are not in our own national interests, ever since the fall of the USSR. With his hatred of communism, he was a leading Cold War Warrior, but I don’t know of a war he has supported since. Pat’s totally aware that Israel has forced his country into fighting endless MidEast wars, though it seems he has been soft-pedalling his criticism of Israel for some time now. Maybe he chose not to be cancelled by the ADL-controlled MSM, as is fellow octogenarian PC Roberts, after he was sent to the woodshed for calling Congress “Israeli-occupied territory.”

  31. Derer says:

    The NATO article 5 is a total metaphysical nonsense. It will be abandoned unilaterally like the Iranian nuclear agreement was. This piece of paper will be dump the moment it is inconvenient and not serving the Washington ruling elite. After Vietnam and Afghanistan fiasco and 30 trillion debt the will to engage US ground forces is very low.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  32. Derer says:
    @Sean

    The Russian army is crapola,

    It was confirmed in Vietnam and Afghanistan that the US army is crapola. The Ukrainian war is still not over…do not ridicule yourself. There is a difference in fighting neighboring ethnic cousins vs fighting helpless tribes.

  33. Notsofast says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    you are probably the most unimaginative troll on this site, (and that’s saying a lot). at least come up with some new elementary school names to call putin. how about boogerhead, or poopy pants, i’m sure the other kids in your special-ed class can help you make your idiotic and simplistic gibberish less tiresome and monotonous.

  34. Russia is not prepared for a winter war. She has lost a very large chunk of its professional army, her best units have been chewed up, and Putin can’t train, or supply his “new army.” Putin should get his troops out of all Ukraine while he still has an army.

  35. JosephD says:
    @brostoevsky

    I don’t see Russia seizing the entire country — why would they want the Western part? The Eastern part and Southern parts have:
    1. The proximity to Russia where NATO bases would be worrisome.
    2. Russians
    3. Natural gas and oil reserves
    4. (Southern only) pipes for getting gas to Europe.

    The West has none of those, and a population who hate Russia. Why annex it?

    I see a large Russian Winter offensive as at this point as Ukraine’s military has been bled white: East of the Dnieper and in the South striking West to Odessa/Transnistria will be annexed. End result is Ukraine is landlocked and much smaller.

    Puppet government? Very believable as an objective. Perhaps as a quid pro quo who leaving the Western part of the country alone? Ukraine serves as a neutral buffer state between the expanded Russia and NATO?

  36. JR Foley says:

    Ukraine losing 500-1000 per day since September and the majority of Ukraine has no electricity and drinking water.

  37. ariadna says:

    “Great powers should never cede to lesser powers, unconnected to their vital interests, the capacity to drag them into unwanted wars.”

    How does that apply to the US-Israel relationship?

  38. @Rurik

    He’s no David Duke or Ron Unz, willing to take on the beast, but rather he’s been an establishment icon of the right, albeit the acceptable right. Nonetheless he’s always been against the wars, and like I said, the woke insanity and such, and because of his stature and his connections and his command of history and politics, his perspective has always been of interest to me. Perhaps less so as he mellows into his golden years, but as war looms, and the war pigs connive and contrive, it’s good to hear the voice of seasoned and judicious prudence.

    I agree with what Greta Handel wrote about this, but I wanted to show some support to your comment(s) too. I was a huge Buchanan fan years ago, and appreciated his position on many issues. He was a voice of reason that actually was given a platform in print and TV. His recent work has, sadly to say, been very bland and one suspects that he isn’t even doing his own writing.

    –> slight tangent: I’ll sound like an old-timer here, but it’s a fact that many moons ago I walked through a snowstorm in order to cast my vote for Pat Buchanan in a Republican primary! (The access road to the polling center was blocked). I did support the man.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  39. xyxxyz says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    What’s the connection?

    Wild guess. We’ll be asked to pay for it.

  40. @brostoevsky

    Not so fast. Let the Ukes cool off and drift away into Europe. No need to push water. Kiev returns to Russia. If the Ukraine is allowed to exist, the border will be short, and well to the west of Zhytomyr. Winter will work its magic. Putin knows this.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  41. @hardlooker

    Here’s a little story about Ukrainians murdering Ukrainians in 2014, just after the US coup.
    https://www.sott.net/article/279204-Odessa-Massacre-What-REALLY-Happened-VIDEO

  42. @Sean

    The Ukraine is losing. Millions are leaving for Europe. The hard men will fight to their end. The farmers will continue to farm under the new government.

    • Replies: @true.enough
  43. Anon[957] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Connection? Maybe Ukraine and the USA are controlled by the same tribe?

  44. Rurik says:
    @true.enough

    thanks true.enough,

    His recent work has, sadly to say, been very bland and one suspects that he isn’t even doing his own writing.

    yes, I too often agree with Greta when she makes cogent points, like the pronoun propaganda Pat often deploys, or the rot in the GOP. She’s right that Red/Blue politics often amounts to Tweedle Dee vs. Tweedle Dumb.

    But when I see something I disagree with, I tend to point it out, and when she suggested Buchanan was favoring war somehow, “If yours becomes Uncle Sam’s next Gold Star Family, be sure to have “Pat” credited for his Exceptional! service, too.”, I considered that the opposite of Buchanan’s point, (to avoid war at all costs).

    Generally, the main bone of contention between Greta and I, is the efficacy of ever voting. It is her position, (if I have it correctly) that there wasn’t any significant difference between a Hillary Clinton presidency vs. a Donald Trump presidency. Something I consider grotesquely preposterous, but admittedly from my own perspective. I recognize that there are a lot of people for whom a Hillary presidency would have been infinitely preferable than Trump’s presidency was. (transgender war pigs, femNazis, soy-boys, BLM, pedophiles- wokeness in general)

    And, that there are a lot of people for whom it really didn’t make any difference whatsoever. People in the MIC, for instance, who could care less about social values or the culture (or any other kind of) war, but simply want the slop in the ‘defense budget’ to fulsomely flow in the trough. For such people, it really didn’t matter which zio-whore was in the White House.

    But for someone like me, who’s despised the Clintons ever since Waco, and who considers Hillary Clinton to be the worst human being on the planet, (next to Dick Cheney) who doesn’t just love wars and slaughtering people, but is verily giddy about it. Arrogantly and ebulliently cackling her blood-stained sadism, while mocking anyone who questions her about it.

    Seeing her in the White House would have meant pulling up all stakes, and getting the fuck out of here. (something I’m working on, but these things take time ; )

    So it often simply comes down to a matter of perspective, as again, all things are relative.

    But where we disagree, and I do mean disagree, is that in the case of 2016, as in all cases, (at least if I understand her correctly) voting isn’t just a waste of time, but it ‘validates the system of our oppression’, or something like that.

    A shred of truth there perhaps, but all I need to know is that Trump (or the American voter, or whomever counts the votes), saved people like me from the worst nightmare imaginable; a Hillary R. Clinton presidency.

    If ‘the vote’ could accomplish that, then I will eternally be in its debt.

    (And I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving!)

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  45. @Badger Down

    The problem with Shoigu is one never knows whether he is trying to make a joke,
    but he has explicitly ruled out taking Zhitomir; should it come to that
    the Poles will probably annex Galicia (that particular fallback has been openly
    discussed among “Ukrainians” from quite early on).

  46. @Rurik

    Two very, very nasty women there.

  47. @Sean

    The Banderite fan-boy has totally lost its marbles.

  48. @Greta Handel

    We have been told, by the lying Western MSM, that the Ukrainians support the fascist regime. Of course, NOT supporting the Banderites can get you murdered by an orc death-squad as a traitor, to the applause of said Western MSM, so it may be a bit biased.

  49. @Badger Down

    The Ukraine is losing. Millions are leaving for Europe

    But the cocaine comedian is laughing — how much $$$ has he stashed away??

    A very cozy life in Tel Aviv awaits him, but he should get out now before globo-homo drops him this winter!



    Video Link

  50. Pat, as usual you are great at swatting at flies without mentioning the manure pile. You ask “why would be do that ” The first answer is JABs ..Jews around Biden who have billions of dollars at stake in the Ukraine. In this context all roads from Washington lead through AIPAC to Tel Aviv. The US military intelligence industrial mafia is just going along for the ride in this game.

  51. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The connection is, this is an Amerikan/Nato inspired fight with Russia………………

  52. Rahan says:

    Belarus foreign minister went to the Vatican for some secret talks about the war and instantly died suddenly.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11472289/Belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly-speculation-hed-discussing-secret-peace-plan.html

  53. @Ludwig Watzal

    This article exihibts Pat’s basic perceptional flaws — he simply won’t see (admit) that the Ukraine conflict is a proxy war of the West against Russia. (he won’t see that most US foreign (domestic) policy is dictated by the requirements of imperialism & hegemony)
    The Ukraine is a sock puppet — as is the EU/nato.
    The US will happily consider fighting to the last European…..

  54. Cook says:

    On a separate issue, there is an ex-American marine been held in an Australian jail waiting for the U.S case to have him extradited for -wait for it- selling his expertise to anyone who can pay so he can make ends meet. The people willing to pay was China.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-28/daniel-duggan-held-under-restrictive-conditions-in-prison/101705510

    We trade with China all the time, gave them many secrets, U.S companies still trade in China so why can’t this guy?

    Well Assange will tell you why…the little guy needs to be made an example of while the big corporations can do as they please.

    World corporate governance is here.

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  55. @Greta Handel

    You are correct, Greta.
    The NATO Treaty also has an Article 11, which specifies that the provisions of the alliance will be carried out in accordance with the domestic constitutions and processes of the respective members.
    That means a majority vote of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives on a formal declaration of war.
    Any member of Congress or news talking head saying Article 5 requires an immediate military response without a debate or vote is either lying or woefully uninformed.

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  56. @Cook

    This is race hatred, nothing more. Anyone training Chinese would become familiar with Chinese military practises, and be an invaluable asset when returned home. And it might help lower tensions. But the race-hating psychopaths of the West no only one dimension to existence-violence and domination.

  57. @Bill Pilgrim

    Thank you. Notice that, as with Article 5, this is expressed with just a few, clear words:

    Article 11

    This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications.

    It’s apparent that the warmongering Establishment needs and intends to misrepresent the document. Of course, it’s been showing the same level of respect to “constitutional processes” since the last declaration in 1941.

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  58. @Greta Handel

    Nor is there any Establishment discussion these days of the next two Articles:

    Article 12

    After the Treaty has been in force for ten years, or at any time thereafter, the Parties shall, if any of them so requests, consult together for the purpose of reviewing the Treaty, having regard for the factors then affecting peace and security in the North Atlantic area, including the development of universal as well as regional arrangements under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security.

    Article 13

    After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

    Two more paths to peace, hiding in plain sight.

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