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Either the U.S. and NATO provide us with “legal guarantees” that Ukraine will never join NATO or become a base for weapons that can threaten Russia — or we will go in and guarantee it ourselves.

This is the message Russian President Vladimir Putin is sending, backed by the 100,000 troops Russia has amassed on Ukraine’s borders.

At the Kremlin last week, Putin drew his red line:

“The threat on our western borders is … rising, as we have said multiple times. … In our dialogue with the United States and its allies, we will insist on developing concrete agreements prohibiting any further eastward expansion of NATO and the placement there of weapons systems in the immediate vicinity of Russian territory.”

That comes close to an ultimatum. And NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg backhanded the President of Russia for issuing it:

“It’s only Ukraine and 30 NATO allies that decide when Ukraine is ready to join NATO. … Russia has no veto, Russia has no say, and Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence trying to control their neighbors.”

Yet, great powers have always established spheres of influence. Chinese President Xi Jinping claims virtually the entire South China Sea that is bordered by half a dozen nations. For 200 years, the United States has declared a Monroe Doctrine that puts our hemisphere off-limits to new colonizations.

Moreover, Putin wants to speak to the real decider of the question as to whether Ukraine joins NATO or receives weapons that can threaten Russia. And the decider is not Jens Stoltenberg but President Joe Biden.

In the missile crisis of 60 years ago, the U.S., with its “quarantine” of Cuba and strategic and tactical superiority in the Caribbean, forced Nikita Khrushchev to pull his intermediate-range ballistic missiles, which could reach Washington, off of Fidel Castro’s island.

If it did not do so, Moscow was led to understand, we would use our air and naval supremacy to destroy his missiles and send in the Marines to finish the job.

Accepting a counteroffer for the U.S. withdrawal of Jupiter missiles from Turkey, Khrushchev complied with President John F. Kennedy’s demand. Russia’s missiles came out. And Kennedy was seen as having won a Cold War victory.

Now it is we who are being told to comply with Russia’s demands in Ukraine, or Russia will go in to Ukraine and neutralize the threat itself.

The history?

When the Warsaw Pact collapsed and the USSR came apart three decades ago, Russia withdrew all of its military forces from Central and Eastern Europe. Moscow believed it had an agreed-upon understanding with the Americans.

Under the deal, the two Germanys would be reunited. Russian troops would be removed from East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. And there would be no NATO expansion into Eastern Europe.

If America made that commitment, it was a promise broken. For, within 20 years, NATO had brought every Warsaw Pact nation into the alliance along with the former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Neocons and Republican hawks such as the late John McCain sought to bring Ukraine and two other ex-Soviet republics, Georgia and Moldova, into NATO.

Putin, who served in the KGB in the late Soviet era and calls the breakup of the USSR the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the 20th century, is now saying: Enough is enough.

ORDER IT NOW

Translation: “Thus far and no further! Ukraine is not going to be a member of NATO or a military ally and partner of the United States, nor a base for weapons that can strike Russia in minutes. For us, that crosses a red line. And if NATO proceeds with arming Ukraine for conflict with Russia, we reserve the right to act first. Finlandize Ukraine, or we will!”

The problem for Biden?

In Ukraine and in Georgia, as we saw in the 2008 war, Russia has the tactical and strategic superiority we had in 1962 in Cuba. Moreover, while Ukraine is vital to Russia, it has never been vital to us.

When President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognized Joseph Stalin’s USSR in 1933, Moscow was engaged in the forced collectivization of the farms of Ukraine, which had caused a famine and the deaths of millions. We Americans did nothing to stop it.

During the Cold War, America never insisted on the independence of Ukraine. Though we celebrated when the Baltic states and Ukraine broke free of Moscow, we never regarded their independence as vital interests for which America should be willing to go to war.

A U.S. war with Russia over Ukraine would be a disaster for all three nations. Nor could the U.S. indefinitely guarantee the independence of a country 5,000 miles away that shares not only a lengthy border with Mother Russia but also a history, language, religion, ethnicity and culture.

Forced to choose between accepting Russia’s demand that NATO stay out of Ukraine and Russia going in, the U.S. is not going to war.

Biden should tell Putin: The U.S. will not be issuing any NATO war guarantees to fight for Ukraine.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg is an idiot. What most do not understand is Canada #2 is a Nazi Ukraine groupee ( her grandparents ran a newspaper–along the lines of Fox News in the 1930’s but was pro Nazi —) and she wants Russia to pay. I say –let Canada fight the Russians and we can all get some great entertainment —

  2. Renoman says:

    Is America stupid enough to go to war with Russia in Russia in Winter? Probably. A very expensive distraction that will only make America look like an even bigger fool than it is if that is possible?

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  3. Not Joe Biden but Barack Obama’s cronies in the WH should state that the US would not further support Ukraine. It was under his watch when the putsch in Ukraine occurred. The Obama WH will guide Biden through the telephone conversation with President Vladimir Putin. Not the NATO clown Jens Stoltenberg makes the decisions or the flunkies in Europe but the US. But the neoconservative hawks have hijacked the Biden administration. They want war or to torpedo Nord Stream 2. The German-US puppet Annalena Baerbock, the new German foreign minister clown, has long been calling for a shut down of the gas pipeline. The US regime is the most unreliable and untrustworthy country on the globe.

    • Agree: Alternate History, Derer
    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  4. Like many others, I thought it was a mistake for Putin to not go ahead and takeover the Donbas provinces back in 2014. But, I now realize that had he done that, there would be fewer bargaining chips to keep Ukraine out of NATO. Ukraine almost certainly would be a member of NATO by now otherwise.

    • Replies: @republic
  5. Petermx says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Many or most Ukrainians were pro-German. The Soviet leadership killed millions of its own citizens, deliberately starving millions of Ukrainians to death. Jews played a dominant role in the USSR’s leadership and outlawed Christianity and anti-Semitism (saying anything critical of Jews). The Germans liberated Ukraine, opened their churches and many young Ukrainian men then fought alongside Germans to free their people. Latvians, Estonians, Finns and others did the same. The US and Britain allied themselves with the Soviet mass murderers.

  6. Lots of typically Exceptional! revisionism and double-talk

    Accepting a counteroffer for the U.S. withdrawal of Jupiter missiles from Turkey, Khrushchev complied with President John F. Kennedy’s demand.

    to appear invincible yet anti-imperialist while reinforcing Establishment narratives and badpersonifying

    Putin, who served in the KGB in the late Soviet era and calls the breakup of the USSR the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the 20th century

    one of Washington’s targets.

    Consider. Were the Maidan Cookie Monster and her helpers Senator McCain and Ambassador [!] Pyatt “guaranteeing the independence of Ukraine” in 2014?

    Mr. Buchanan is the Right jamb* of Uncle Sam’s Overton window.

    ——

    *Editorial assistance from commenter Rurik.

  7. Petermx says:
    @Petermx

    Young Ukrainian recruits marching. They will fight alongside their German allies. This is Lviv (aka Lemberg) in western Ukraine. It was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire before 1919 and they preferred their Austrian (German) leaders to their Polish and later Soviet leaders. The Poles and Soviets (often Jews) mistreated them and after Poland took over Ukraine after WW I, for the next 20 years many Ukrainians fled Ukraine to Canada.

    This was known to the world at the time but since the end of WW II it has been ignored to protect the reputations of those on the victors side (Poland). The British government was aware of the horrible conditions in Poland and mistreatment of minorities and it was discussed in the British parliament at the time.

    Gerd SchultzeRhonhof describes the minorities situation in Poland, including 5 million Ukrainians from 15:30 to 24:30 in this lecture.

    • Replies: @Cking
  8. As long as NATO exists, it is a constant threat to Russia. NATO needs to disappear. Each country should define their own security arrangements, maybe even take over some NATO bases, but only the people of each country should determine how their military is supported and used. NATO represent the military version of Brussels; a super organization designed to subvert nation level controls. That needs to go, at a minimum.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  9. Finlandization – neutrality under the Russian, erm, penumbra – will
    indeed be the final offer from the Russian side … but to no avail.
    It is not so much that US vital interests are at stake or sumpin.
    The Jew, still smarting from getting removed from the trough of the golden
    Yeltsin era, has embarked on rebuilding Odessa as (((their))) regional
    power center, as it was (alongside Jew York and Shanghai) 100 years ago.
    Good, you say, why couldn´t (((they))) live with neutrality?
    Enter the “Jewish yearning for safety” (= what everybody else calls
    “projection and abject psychopathy”): They cannot properly attack Mother Russia
    (as not under Jewish rule = eeevil) while not being safe from their victims –
    ergo they will not let off.
    Putin will be forced to annex all of Noworossija (read: Donbass,
    Dniepropetrowsk and Odessa) and liberate Transdnjistr (now East “Moldowa”),
    reducing the “Ukraine” to a landlocked sunflower field known for endemic syphilis
    but precious little else.
    Of course none of this is worth a war but the situation is so intertwined
    that giving in for the US would medium-term mean losing Germany (i.e. Europe) –
    if that is to be averted at all.

    • Agree: ivan, Derer
    • Replies: @Miro23
  10. EU as colony of the US as colony of WJ(World Jewry) trying to turn Ukraine into a colony but accusing Russia of it. What a joke.

    For 200 years, the United States has declared a Monroe Doctrine that puts our hemisphere off-limits to new colonizations.

    Because US has colonized it.

  11. Peter Beter was the author of a theory that there are three factions comprising TPTB, and that they are variously at odds with one another. He defined these as the Rothschild, Rockefeller, and Russian Orthodox factions. The Rockefeller was said to be the renegade American offshoot of the Rothschild empire. And the Russian Orthodox was said to be the lingering dynasty of Imperial Russia out for vengeance against the Bolsheviks.

    Now, Peter Beter also makes the preposterous claim that the Apollo program put men on the moon. Not for the purposes of golfing, but for purposes of building a giant laser platform from which to rule Earth. Dr. Beter said the Russian faction knocked Americans off the moon and has enjoyed total space hegemony for decades.

    To the layman, science can easily be mistaken for science fiction, and vice versa. For example, there have been many rumblings about graphene oxide or hydroxide in the mRNA jabs. At first glance such claims seem outlandish. But mainstream science tells us some very important facts. 1) GO is used as an adjuvant (i.e. secondary irritant) for vaccines and is considered an excellent compound for such purpose. 2) GO is being studied as as delivery vehicle for vaccines and would be relevant to an encapsulated mRNA tech. So it would not be surprising at all to find this substance in a cutting edge vaccine.

    However, immunology is not the only field of study in which GO is a hot commodity. GO can also be used to form hydrogels. A hydrogel is an elastic polymer that absorbs water and may be suspended in water without dissolving. They are at the cutting edge of medical research, because they can interface with human tissue. For example, they can serve as biosensors. But what if a hydrogel could create a brain computer interface, or BCI? Elon musk proposed a “neural lace” that could be rolled up inside a syringe and injected under the skull. But a hydrogel, which could self assemble from suspended particles, and which could self heal, would be far more elegant.

    Crap I went on a tangent, we were talking about Russian Christian space lasers on the Moon. While I’m not too sure about Dr. Beter’s conspiracy theories, it’s definitely useful to imagine competing factions of the elite, as opposed to “illuminated Jews and Freemasons operate the ‘Globe’ theater”. As for the space laser thing, it’s easy to have a chuckle about Ronny Raygun and Donald Trump militarizing space under the branding of their favorite science fiction franchises. But no less than LBJ would swell up with pride, if he knew his baby NASA had grown up to put lasers in space and turn Earth’s weather into a weapon of mass destruction, just as he had always dreamed.

    Stultenborg has a lot of chutzpah, to say that joining NATO is Ukraine’s choice and not Russia’s, after the color guard gang ran off the elected President of Ukraine for being too pro Russian. Democracy is funny like that, you are presented with choices but sometimes there is only one right answer.

  12. Dumbo says:

    “Some people just like to watch the world burn”…

    StoltenBERG… I thought it was Jewish, but it appears to be just one of those old rich nordic families…

    In any case, it is impressive how just a few rich families control everything in basically every country.

    In Norway, Stoltenberg (Jewish? Who knows):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoltenberg_(Norwegian_family)

    In Sweden, Bonnier, Jewish origin:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family

    Then in Italy, Agnelli/Elkann (old aristocracy?):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnelli_family

    Etc, etc.

  13. republic says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Paul Craig Roberts , December 1,2021

    The Kremlin Made a Strategic Mistake by Refusing the Breakaway Republics Request to be Reincorporated Into Russia Where They Historically Resided

    [MORE]

    The Kremlin demonstrated indecision and weakness, and left a festering wound that Washington is exploiting. As I have long warned, the Kremlin’s passivity will result in war.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/moscow-says-us-rehearsed-nuclear-strike-against-russia-in-november-report-101637688011310.html

    The situation has developed precisely as I forecast. The Kremlin’s failure in 2014 to reincorporate the Donbass Russians back into Russia has played into Washington’s hands. The Kremlin gave Washington years to arm and train the Ukrainians, to continue the hostilities toward the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics, and to conduct a propaganda campaign that paints Russia as the aggressor. Mistakes of this magnitude usually result in war.

    If Russia had accepted the vote of the breakaway republics to be reincorporated into Russia, the hostilities would have ended as not even the Ukrainians are stupid enough to attack Russia herself. If the hostilities had been ended, Washington would have had no opening, and the current dangerous situation would not have been able to emerge.

    Live and learn, but is the Kremlin learning?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-says-half-entire-ukrainian-army-donbass-blinken-warns-putin-us-prepared-act

    Kremlin Says Half Of Entire Ukrainian Army Is In Donbass As Blinken Warns Putin: US “Prepared To Act”

    WEDNESDAY, DEC 01, 2021 – 05:30 PM
    A Wednesday statement out of the Russian Foreign Ministry has charged Kiev with stoking tensions along the Ukrainian border. The statement alleged that over 100,000 Ukrainian troops and military hardware have been moved into the restive Donbass region, where the national forces have been in a stalemate with pro-Russian separatists for half a decade going back to 2014.

    While rejecting prior accusations out of Kiev and Washington – and especially Western media – that it’s Russia that’s stoking tensions by sending 90,000 regular forces near the border, Kremlin spokeswoman Maria Zakharova had this to say: “According to some reports, the number of troops… in the conflict zone already reaches 125,000 people, and this, if anyone does not know, is half of the entire composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

    Further she accused Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky of breaking the peace, particularly the Donbass ceasefire terms of the Minsk agreement, after he submitted a bill to Ukrainian parliament which would allow foreign troops into the country to participate in joint military drills next year.

    The rival sides are now in a full-blown media and information war, trading tit-for-tat accusations of military build-up, in a dangerous situation that could be barreling toward renewal of actual armed conflict:

    “In recent weeks, we have seen a stream of consciousness from the Ukrainian leadership – especially when it comes to the military – that is excessively inflamed and dangerous,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in follow-up to Zakharova’s words.

    Just last week the foreign ministry used similar language which denounced the “hot heads” in Kiev which have a “feeling of complete impunity” and “are in favor of a military solution to this internal Ukrainian crisis.”

    But Secretary of State Antony Blinken also weighed in on Wednesday, escalating the rhetoric further. He charged Putin with “laying the groundwork for an invasion” of neighboring Ukraine. He demanded the Kremlin pull back it’s forces from near the border (an implicit admission that we are still merely talking about the “movements” of Russian troops within Russia’s own territory). This despite the Pentagon this week appearing to downplay the ‘invasion threat’.

    Meanwhile The Washington Post is reporting that top Biden admin officials are wildly speculating over ‘false flag’ scenarios… and they are already blaming Russia.

    “We don’t know whether President Putin has made the decision to invade. We do know that he is putting in place the capacity to do so in short order should he so decide,” Blinken told reporters in Latvia after meeting with NATO foreign ministers, where the crisis was discussed.

    “Should Russia follow the path of confrontation, when it comes to Ukraine, we’ve made clear that we will respond resolutely, including with a range of high-impact economic measures that we have refrained from pursuing in the past,” Blinken added. While stopping short of any direct threat of American military intervention, he said that Western allies have expressed “tremendous solidarity” to take action in the event of a Russian offensive.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Derer
  14. nsa says:

    The 2003 Iraq attack is instructive and a blueprint for incapacitating a much weaker nation without totally destroying its infrastructure. In the first hour, the Baghdad power grid was disabled by Maverick missiles spooling carbon fibers onto power substations……plunging the city into stone age darkness and chaos. Take down the Taiwan or Ukie power grid and the whole society immediately ceases to function. Taiwan is an island so the starving population has no where to go and would soon capitulate rather than live in the dark and eventually eat each other. The Ukies do have somewhere to go so the effete euroweanies could expect to receive millions and millions of very grumpy refugees. Best guess is that the rainbow warriors and jew infested elites of Wash DC would welcome this result……..the Aesopian idea being the killing of two birds with one stone. EuroWeanieLand would be saddled with many millions of freeloading refugees while the hated Russkies would suffer much diminished energy exports.

  15. Cking says:

    I admire Pat Buchanan for always pointing out the folly of war. Where is the hostility coming from, why must the American people suffer the loss of political leadership’s priority focus. Poverty, caused by the Fed/Wall St. system is the national security crisis, made the more dangerous because the Fed since its inception can only organize America’s wealth money and credit t wage war.

    The United States must now be forced to deal with an IMF supported NGO orchestrated invasion of migrants across its own southern border should not be lecturing Russia on any points of national security. The Democratic Party’s Regime Change offensive, operating all over the world, including the 2020 Election in our own American nation, demands the application of brakes.

    Ukraine’s governance over the Donbas region, Russian since the 18th century, was always unrealistically, irrationally, hostile, outlawing the spoken and written Russian language. Donbas should be given a separate autonomous status at least. Apparently the old adage, War because War is profitable is at work here. War will not benefit the US government or the American people. Wars are fought so that the International Financier Supremos can acquire land, property, businesses, industries, natural resources, a slave labor force, governments, that they will not have to pay for. War is a looting offensive conducted against the US Treasury and our national economy.

    More importantly, the United States political system will not deal with the immediate national priorities; poverty, our broken Mexico/US border, subversive Woke ideology, physical destructive offensives conducted against Main St. , the crime/murder rate, the Opium War conducted against the USA, the national economy that demands a new energy grid, the infrastructure deficit, the Wall St. cabal, the Wall St. owned two party political system, an MSM driven artificial racial war, out-of-control Covid Madness, etc. The US political system has lost the confidence of the American people. Everything leadership says is distrusted.

    The US, at the expense of America’s Main St. economy, spent over \$7Trillion dollars in the Middle East and Southwest Asia. If the American people ever calculated the magnitude of the \$Trillions of dollars spent on War and the unlimited Wall St. bailouts, the capitol would be destroyed. No matter what our leadership in the Congress or the Administration is telling us, it’s not Russia, it’s how do we terminate the two party political system and reorganize the Federal Reserve Bank and the Wall St. system. Or do we deal with the reality that the US Armed Forces are going to invade Europe for the third time. I don’t think so, the relentless American people want their Great America.

  16. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg backhanded the President of Russia for issuing it:

    “It’s only Ukraine and 30 NATO allies that decide when Ukraine is ready to join NATO. … Russia has no veto, Russia has no say, and Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence trying to control their neighbors.”

    The boldness of the lying and gaslighting is simply incredible.

    It also showcases the current stupidity of much of our western populations. Sphere of influence? Ukraine has millions of ethnic Russians and areas that were historically part of Russia, the US is on a separate continent.

    Never mind questioning the fact NATO is an unaccountable, supra national army. Literally the shock troops of the new world order.

    It’s also interesting how StoltenBERG isn’t a hat enthusiast, but rather an ‘antifa in a suit’ type politician. It’s a remarkable phenomenon that he is purely ideologically motivated. He cares so much about gay sex he is willing to kill people in a war. This progressive ideology is breathtaking in its fanaticism, utopianism, and disconnect from reality.

    Finally, much better from Buchanan! He got into big trouble with all the right people in the 1990s, but seems to have gone a bit soft. This was a good column, hopefully more to come.

    • Agree: El Dato, Derer
  17. @GomezAdddams

    Chrystia Freeland is no “Nazi”. Nazi’s had an interest in the well-being of their citizens by freeing them from the grip of the international banking cartel. Freeland is a free trader.
    Ukrainians in general, have had a long history of conflict with Jews, unlike the Mennonites from Ukraine that emigrated to Canada. Both hated the USSR (Russians), but the Ukrainians recognized that communism was “Jewish”.
    Freeland is like virtually every other Canadian politician – owned by the Zionists.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  18. @RoatanBill

    I agree. However, NATO is really just the front for the ZOGs of (((Western liberal democracies))). NATO won’t disappear until we liberate ourselves first.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    Ukraine and South Africa are unusual in that they had nuclear weapons and gave them up. In the case of South Africa it was a prescient decision: Negros with nukes? Not cool.

    Who has the Ukrainian nukes? Russia.

    Ukraine literally means “the border”.

    We shouldn’t study war no more.

  20. And the decider is not Jens Stoltenberg but President Joe Biden.

    decider = chosenite currently DJing Fraudsident Diaper’s earpiece transmitter.

    • LOL: El Dato
  21. @Curmudgeon

    Putin may be ready to stipulate some red lines and mean it. The Ukraine situation and the rumored sanctions, including SWIFT expulsion, the US and Europe want to impose may be the last straw.

    https://theduran.com/russian-fm-lavrov-steamrolls-over-blinken-in-stockholm-on-ukraine-and-nato-western-allies-and-msm-look-on-shocked

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Thanks: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  22. US Government has not been living in reality for a long time; Ukraine is not a vital interest of the USA and America is not going to war for Ukraine; the Pentagon officials talk of ”military options” for a Russian invasion of Ukraine; there are no military options; the wokeified diversity feminized US military has no chance against the Russian legions; the US doesnt have enough armored combat brigades in Europe; our ”NATO allies” wouldnt be much help; and does anyone seriously believe the American public wants or needs another war? Biden is going to have to face reality and tell Kiev that the US is not going to defend them. Unlike us Russia is a serious nation with a serious leader.

    • Agree: donut, Sulu, Derer
  23. BorisMay says:

    All hot air really. No one either in their right or wrong mind wants to own, control or even order Ukraine.

    The state is a basket case that cannot feed itself adequately, cannot provide enough energy for its needs or even defend itself.

    No Russian is going to invade a country that would be nothing more than a liability, except in the addled mind of an armchair warrior, of which there are many in DC and Israel.

    NATO is a club for poseurs, child molesters and every other sort of queer imaginable. Lots of boys with toys who are more likely to shoot themselves in the foot rather than pose a threat to anyone with even half a brain. Most of them join to rape their fellow soldiers, rape the local populace where they are based and kill innocent, defenceless civilians after a night out on the booze. These cowards couldn’t fight their way out of a brown paper bag.

    NATO is a scam that exists purely to purchase US weapon manufacturer’s junk that is passed off as modern weaponry like the F35 flying brick that is visible on radar, tends to fall in to the sea (Britain has lost 25% of its F35s this way) and lacks any credible defence against the S400 or S500 Russian systems.

    Biden, with no military service since he was too cowardly to serve in Vietnam, has surrounded himself with congenital idiots like Blinken, Austin and other morons and so is unable to understand what the real situation is within Europe and Scandinavia, how totally inept NATO actually is and what the real situation is in Ukraine.

    Putin, and Russians in general, perceive these self deluding idiots for what they are and fully understand that Biden et al are ‘agreement incapable’. As a consequence asking for guarantees is just theatre to allow Biden to save face, by turning down any commonsensical answer to a western created dilemma.

    The US/NATO farce couldn’t invade the Ukraine, let alone Russia, in May let alone the depths of winter…which is what it will be after the 15th of December.

    This is just Kabuki theatre to take the gullible population of the US/EU minds off the Covid scam.

    All it tells us is that Putin and Russia are as much in to the Covid scam as is Biden and the US.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  24. Petermx says:
    @Curmudgeon

    But that does not mean her parents or grandparents were not supporters of Germany during the war. Germany is also owned by the Zionists and has been since the end of the war. Germany was demonized after the war and Jews became innocent angels and people either kept their views to themselves or adjusted them to get along in life.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  25. Once again Paddy spins the truth. The Russian missiles to Cuba were the direct response to the US missiles in Turkey.
    It was Kennedy who blinked by removing the Turkish missiles, not vice versa.

  26. @Ludwig Watzal

    “ The German-US puppet Annalena Baerbock, the new German foreign minister clown, has long been calling for a shut down of the gas pipeline.“

    The Green Party in Germany, like most Green Parties everywhere, are the useful idiots of the international cabal that hates the masses of people for simply trying to survive. The cabal claims that human survival interferes with the balance of nature as if nature was meant to be in a constant state of equilibrium, when logic states that every creature on earth, from tiny ants to the giant buffalos, played a role at altering the balance of nature. Germany dismantled its nuclear reactors and is gradually abandoning coal which makes the Germans evermore dependent on Russian gas, more than any other time in their history. Maybe shutting Nord Stream will get the freezing Germans to finally put the Green Party in the garbage can of history where it belongs.

    • Thanks: donut
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  27. Cking says:
    @Petermx

    The video above must be informed and centered in the 1920 Bolshevik Invasion of Poland. Lenin launched his campaign to Conquer Europe in 1919, exhorting bloodlust, urging on the Bolshevik Army saying ‘the way to Paris and Berlin was through Warsaw’. The Miracle of Vistula saved Western Europe for a time. Who actually started WWII and what were all the players vying for, demands investigation. The Red Army, already killing millions of Russians, most of them Christians, were feared mightily and reasonably.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Begemot
    , @Petermx
  28. Putin should let the Norwegian Government know that if Nato attacks Russia, Oslo would cease to exist.
    The Norwegian Government should keep its citizens under control.

  29. How could the US possibly guarantee any country anything, given it record of honoring agreements?

    Cut out the middlemen.

    Russia’s Israel lobby needs to work this out with the US’s Israel lobby.

  30. @BorisMay

    Great post —score good points and I have had a good laugh—many thanks !!!

  31. tyrone says:

    What we don’t need is another war between white countries…….Biden has threatened “boots on the ground”……….ok ,as long as there are no feet in them.

  32. Buzzbunny says:

    The lunatics in Washington have nerve preaching about aggression to anybody.

    How about that ! Washington does indeed understand the concept of a nation having a secure border but unfortunatley it’s elsewhere. Ukraine, South Korea, Israel, so on-

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
  33. Begemot says:
    @Cking

    The Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1920 was started by Poland, attempting to extend itself into as much territory as it could grab. The initial clash occurred between Soviet and Polish forces on 14 February 1919 as both sides moved into an area that had just been vacated by German forces when Polish forces attacked Soviet forces. The Poles pushed further east into Byelarussia and in the late spring/early summer of 1920 invaded Ukrainian territory and captured Kiev. The Soviet counter-offensive pushed the Poles back to Warsaw. Yes, there was Soviet rhetoric and hope about bringing the revolution to Europe, and there was the intention to create a Sovietized Poland if possible (with the help of Polish communists), but the Soviet army was at its offensive’s culmination point upon reaching Warsaw and the Poles were able to roll them back to their start lines. The peace left the Poles in control of parts of Ukraine and Byelarussia.

    Did Poland save Europe or its own imperial project? Pilsudski aspired to resurrect the Polish empire through the device of a ‘Federation” of east European countries extending from Finland to the Kuban (per Norman Davies in “White Eagle, Red Star”). Maybe Lenin saved eastern Europe from Polish tyranny? Remember, Stepan Bandera, the great nationalist hero of Ukraine, started his career assassinating Poles. While the Soviets weren’t nice people, it seems neither were the Poles. Just ask the Germans, Czechs, Lithuanians and Ukrainians who all were targeted by the Poles between the two world wars. In fact, according to Davies, it wasn’t until the beginning of 1921 that the Polish army was not fighting someone.

    • Replies: @Cking
    , @Erzberger
  34. I have no idea what Putin’s intentions are, but with a senile Joe Biden serving as president, a token Negro as Secretary of Defense and proven idiot as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, what better time for him to solve the Ukraine problem?

    • Thanks: Jim Bob Lassiter
  35. Exile says:

    Joe Biden isn’t the real decider of what tie he wears, much less policy. Get real, Pat.

    No president in the 21st century has been a shot-caller to any significant extent and donors have been the real policy-makers in many ways since America became an empire.

    If Putin wants to speak directly to the shot-callers, he needs to visit Tel Aviv, not Washington.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Sulu
  36. If “they” blitzkreig into the Ukraine, they better take it all the way to the coast or this will never end.

  37. Cking says:
    @Begemot

    You take whatever perspective and/or analysis you like. Poland’s land grabs were meant to protect and solidify ancient and greater Poland in the wake of the chaos brought on by the massacre of the royal Romanov family, the ongoing, bloody, Russian Bolshevik Revolution. It is true that German people were being persecuted and murdered by several nations, Poland and the Baltics. No matter, Lenin would not have a strong Poland on Russia’s border and his countrymen felt the same way. The aggression of the Bolshevik led Red Army under Lenin’s command, the thrust into Poland to dominate Western Europe is written in history. The Hammer and Sickle over the Globe emblem also informs one of the Red Army’s intention and direction. Stalin’s ostensive Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to divide Poland was the beginning of WWII. (Reference Victor Suvorov’s Ice Breaker.) Poland was betrayed by the West, sacrificed as payment for Germany’s defeat and for peace. It’s complicated.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  38. Stoltenberg reminds us every time he opens his mouth, as does the hideous Nobel Peace Prize Committee virtually every year, what natural fascists the Norwegian elite are.

  39. @The Mestizo

    If Ukraine was crushed in an exemplary show of force, I expect much of NATO would melt away, sane Europeans having no desire to die for the Yankee Reich.

    • Replies: @Mackerel Sky
  40. @Bill Jones

    I don’t agree with the target. Mass murder of civilians is more a Yankee kind of thing. Just take out all the offshore oil and gas platforms, after giving the occupants a few hours to escape to safety. That’ll learn the Quislings.

  41. Petermx says:
    @Cking

    Are you referring to the video I posted? My video has many German soldiers in it in WW II uniforms. The swastika and SS signs signs are displayed and at 1:20 into the video you will see the recruits carrying a sign that says “Freiwiligen SS Schutzendivision Galizien”. That is the WW II SS division created for Ukrainians. Galizien is the western region of Ukraine also spelled Galicia.

    • Replies: @Cking
  42. Miro23 says:
    @nokangaroos

    Of course none of this is worth a war but the situation is so intertwined
    that giving in for the US would medium-term mean losing Germany (i.e. Europe) –
    if that is to be averted at all.

    Agreed that the game here is to provoke a conflict with Russia that’s sufficient to stop Nordstream 2 and pull Europe together again under US control. Also great news for MIC expenditure and the US military budget. Blanket media control would present the Russians as the bad guys – in fact what’s already happening with “Russia plans to invade Ukraine!!”

    Problem that (same as Taiwan) crossing red lines is a dangerous business.

    Russia already has an asymmetric risk with regard to nuclear war (only two major cities – Moscow and St Petersburg) and if it lost them it would be finished as a world power. On the other hand, it does have the capability to pull the US down with it – but only if it doesn’t already have US nuclear missiles based directly on its frontiers.

    So Russia has to stop this deployment, and it has to be ready for a nuclear war with the US. If the US tries to deploy the missiles regardless – then an asymmetry with Cuba 1962 comes into play. Russia 2021 is more vulnerable that the United States 1962 so the risk of a Russian first strike is greater. Russia would be finished but it would guarantee that the US would go down with it. The big winner would be China.

    It’s a waste of time talking to the Victoria Nulands who are orchestrating the provocation. Putin has demonstrated that he’s willing to go all the way with a nuclear confrontation but they’re clearly not listening and still pushing ahead.

    The only political alternative for the Russians seems to be to explain to the Germans the risks involved – and get them to reanimate Nordstream 2 and disconnect from NATO – but the days of expecting Zio – CIA run Germany to do anything rational seem to be long gone.

    Conclusion, that yes, Russia, if necessary, has to invade Ukraine to stop the deployment while making it 100% clear that it’s ready for a (nuclear) war with the United States. The Jewish run United States has to be the ultimate cancer of the world’s body politic with its endless troublemaking.

  43. @The Mestizo

    Stick Russian tanks in East Germany again and say, “Hey, status quo ante, bitches”.

    Actually, that wouldn’t work. They should have tanks up against the French border instead. “The price of mouth, mofos.”

    They need to rub out that dick Stoltenberg on the way.

  44. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    One would hope so, but the European political class is bought and paid for, and unresponsive to the popular will. They would continue to talk crap right up until even a retard would know it’s time to hit the ratline and carry on from New York.

  45. Cking says:
    @Petermx

    Well, I did understand the meaning of the video and I thought it was misleading. One would still have to reference the Russian Bolshevik Revolution, that killed millions of Russians, the 1920 Bolshevik Invasion of Poland, the Quest to Conquer Europe, and the 1932-33 Holodomor, the Terror Famine, to understand the embrace of Nazi forces in that region. What are we talking about, 1939? You still have to place this video in the context of the Red Army massing at these borders at about the time of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. For more information on the origin of WWII, I also reference Victor Suvorov’s ‘Ice Breaker’.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  46. Petermx says:
    @Cking

    I have no argument with those points. I agree completely and I think those Ukrainians that fought alongside Germans have nothing to be ashamed of.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  47. KenH says:

    Diaspora Jewry in the U.S. is creating this “crisis” with Russia. Israel sort of plays good cop to Russia while U.S. diaspora Jewry plays the bad cop. Jewry will brook no opponents or stumbling blocks likr Russia in its quest for world domination.

    Hopefully, Ukraine is Putin’s red line because previously he has backed down which only seems to embolden the Jew run USA and their shabbos goy war hawks and Russophobes in the U.S. military. With Biden’s poll numbers tanking and large majorities unhappy with the Biden presidency, high inflation and the direction the nation is heading some sort of military conflict could be likely to distract people, play on their patriotism and make the dementia ridden, pants crapping Biden look tough and strong.

  48. Miro23 says:

    With Biden’s poll numbers tanking and large majorities unhappy with the Biden presidency, high inflation and the direction the nation is heading some sort of military conflict could be likely to distract people, play on their patriotism and make the dementia ridden, pants crapping Biden look tough and strong.

    True, but inflation could become the dominant theme.

    The US financial system has become so highly sensitive to interest rates (given the vast amounts of debt the government, public and corporations are holding) that just a whiff of higher interest rates starts it trembling.

    So if you can’t increase interest rates, then the way is wide open for accelerating inflation with the fast rising cost of food, energy, housing and basic consumer goods. Next step that the US dollar is no longer the world’s “reserve currency” because it’s a dumb idea for trading countries to hold their reserves in a fast depreciating asset – so they opt out of the dollar causing a further massive over-supply / accelerating US inflation.

    Hyperinflation can produce extreme poverty in a very short time. Think the early 1920’s disaster in Weimar Germany.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  49. Everyone has their red lines: everyone must respect the red lines of the enemy. But they are blind and do not see a third world war coming, so forge on to catastrophe. History has not changed.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  50. Rurik says:
    @Petermx

    those Ukrainians that fought alongside Germans have nothing to be ashamed of.

    The Russian ego is very, very fragile.

    They suffered untold horrors during the anti-Russian ((Bolshevik)) mass-terror in the last century.

    Then they suffered generations of ((commie-slavery and humiliation)).

    Then they were introduced to ((western-style crony “capitalism”)), where ((oligarchs)) simply loot everything of consequence, and the Russian people starve.

    But in spite of all of that, they still proudly beat their chests that they were the ‘heroic’ Red Army minions that marched into Germany, and burned it to the ground, while enslaving Eastern Europe to its enemies, because ‘Nazis’ were wresting themselves free of International Jewish finance/Bolshevism/communism/genocide.

    How dare those Germans refuse to bow down to their Jewish masters, the way we proud Russians always do!

    So now International Jewish finance is menacing Putin’s (a Russian nationalist = Hitler) Russia daily, and foisting wars on her borders, and using it’s ill-gotten power over the Western world to humiliate and threaten Russia in every way it can.

    But to the fragile Russian ego, they’d go to war with Ukraine and NATO and everybody, out of their idiotic and preposterous need to believe that they were the good guys during WWII. (they weren’t ; )

    I like Russians, but I’ve never known a people more psychologically enslaved to ((their worst enemies)).

    • Thanks: Petermx
    • Replies: @Cking
    , @John Regan
  51. @Miro23

    Galen Windsor claimed nuclear weapons were fake. He was a an engineer on the manhattan project. We have only black and white army films for proof of nukes. That and a hundred movies and books. The army created thousands of inflatable tanks to fool the Germans into thinking we had massed forces where we had none. By way of deception…nuclear energy is shrouded in mystery and fear because it is cheap, clean and powerful enough to destroy the energy monopoly. I could be wrong but I think nukes are fake. They are however a powerful deterrent. It’s a closely guarded secret. That’s my opinion.

  52. Miro23 says:
    @Miro23

    Hyperinflation can produce extreme poverty in a very short time. Think the early 1920’s disaster in Weimar Germany.

    Also, not coincidentally, it’s the fastest way to wipe out that mostly White conservative traditionalist middle class (employees, savers, fixed income people).

  53. @Miro23

    Spot-on but for one point: Germany is not sovereign and has gotten somewhat less so with the last election.

  54. Rurik says:
    @Bill Jones

    Putin should let the Norwegian Government know that if Nato attacks Russia, Oslo would cease to exist.

    the Norwegian government is no different than the Swedish government or the German government or the French or British or American governments.

    They’re all controlled by ZOG. That’s why they all insist on the Great Replacement of their indiginous white citizens (dormant Nazis), and all the woke idiocy like homo marriages and gender fluidity. Just look at how Norway is yapping at Russia for it’s ‘aggression’ and ‘autocratic government’. The government of Norway has the same degree of sovereignty as ZOG-America, with all those dangerous ‘insurgents’ languishing in DC gulags for the crime of not being woke.

    They’re all controlled by the same International financial cabal. The same cabal that told France to bomb Libya into the stone age for proposing to use gold for commercial trade.

    Do you think it was in the French people’s interest to bomb Libya?

    Is it in the French people’s interest to destroy their society and national future with mass-immigration of Africans and Muslims and Asians and everybody else?

    Of course not. And it’s not in Norway’s interest to constantly prod and poke the Russian bear.

    But all of these governments are all vassals of the International Financial cabal. Who owns and controls all their media, and universities and courts and everything else that can be bought provided you have unlimited access to unlimited Federal Reserve Notes/the global reserve currency.

    That is the gift that Woodrow Wilson gave Western civilization. Slavery to their most committed and depraved genocidal enemy.

    If Putin wants a strategy to prevent NATO from installing weapons on his doorstep, then it isn’t Oslo he should be targeting if the SHTF, but Tel Aviv.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Sulu
  55. Cking says:
    @Rurik

    Russia today is not the Soviet Union, it’s a great Christian power, successful in containing the ‘Woke’ offensive on their society and politics, skillfully avoiding war, and drawing the parameters for peace. It’s complicated.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  56. Blissex says:

    «Yet, great powers have always established spheres of influence. Chinese President Xi Jinping claims virtually the entire South China Sea that is bordered by half a dozen nations.»

    Actually it is the Communist Party of Vietnam that “claims virtually the entire South China Sea”, here is the map of the claims:

    and the map of Vietnam’s military bases:

    and an article that explains that situation:

    https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/how-vietnam-quietly-built-10-islands-asias-most-disputed-sea

    Except that “strangely” it has “disappeared”, but the Internet Archive snapshotted it:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20201218184436/https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/how-vietnam-quietly-built-10-islands-asias-most-disputed-sea

  57. Rurik says:
    @Cking

    Russia today is not the Soviet Union, it’s a great Christian power, successful in containing the ‘Woke’ offensive on their society and politics, skillfully avoiding war, and drawing the parameters for peace. It’s complicated.

    I agree

    But the problem is that too many Russians are still hooked on the idiocy that the Red Army were liberators. When nothing could be further from the truth.

    And the reason this offensive and obnoxious idiocy is a problem, is because Russians also insist that those Eastern European nations that suffered the Red Army rapists invading and then occupying their lands for generations, also pretend that the Red Army were liberators, even as the Soviets murdered and raped and ‘population transferred’ untold victims to their cruel deaths.

    But because they’ve puffed themselves up on their vanity that Russians were the ‘great liberators’, who saved the world from fascism, and demand that Poland and Estonia and Ukraine and others also pretend that the Red Army were liberators, is why Poland and Estonia and Ukraine are moving into NATO’s orbit, because of the idiocy of so many Russians who demand that Eastern Europe honor the Soviet memorials (abominations) that profane their sacred soil, is why Russia is (understandably) so hated in so many Eastern European nations.

    All Russia has to do is tell Eastern Europe to remove the hated monuments to the Soviet horrors that were visited upon Eastern Europe- and the hostilities would melt away. No more need for NATO. No more hatred for the Russians as Soviets, but rather an embracement for the Russia of the 21st century, as brothers in the Christian, Western spirit.

    But the moment you try to tell a Russian that the Red Army were not liberators, they screech and howl and get red-faced with ‘my granddaddy died in that war!!!’ As if no Poles or Ukrainians or Germans died in that horrible fratricidal slaughter-fest orchestrated by we all know ((who)).

  58. Sulu says:
    @Rurik

    If Putin wants a strategy to prevent NATO from installing weapons on his doorstep, then it isn’t Oslo he should be targeting if the SHTF, but Tel Aviv.

    Exactly! Incinerating Israel might not fix all the world’s problems but it would be a hell of a lot of fun and couldn’t possibly do any harm to anyone.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Rurik
  59. Begemot says:
    @Rurik

    All Russia has to do is tell Eastern Europe to remove the hated monuments to the Soviet horrors that were visited upon Eastern Europe- and the hostilities would melt away.

    Yeah, unicorns and rainbows will breakout as well. Such ignorance and naivete.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  60. @Rurik

    I like Russians, but I’ve never known a people more psychologically enslaved to ((their worst enemies)).

    Even worse than Americans?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  61. Patrick, Sir; are “we” the baddies?

  62. @nsa

    Wrong, obviously, NSA. Europe would freeze, Russia would re-direct gas and crude straight to China and Asia. Russia would suffer nothing. Hilarious how uninformed neocons are.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  63. @Jim Christian

    The idea is to blame Russia for the energy crisis, and foment hatred so that the proles will welcome being vitrified in a ‘nuclear exchange’.All you need is a MSM brainwashing apparatus that has NO qualms about lying, and hate-mongering, and the West has such an Evil sewer, ready and willing to serve their fellow psychopaths in power.

  64. @Rurik

    God God, you Ukronazis can hold a grudge. Or are you a Balt fascist? In any case, the Red Army kicked your Evil arses once, and I’d dearly love to see them do it again. This time they must strive to stop the fascists escaping to the West, as occurred after WW2.

    • Troll: Rurik
  65. @Miro23

    It’s a lovely scenario. Talk about Nemesis. The ghosts of the hundreds of millions slaughtered by US aggression must be smiling.

  66. Rurik says:
    @Sulu

    Incinerating Israel might not fix all the world’s problems but it would be a hell of a lot of fun and couldn’t possibly do any harm to anyone.

    Strictly speaking, that’s not precisely true, Sulu.

    There are millions of perfectly decent Arabs living in parts of Palestine- temporarily refereed to as ‘Israel’, that would perish if International Jewish finance forced yet another World War on the planet.

    And not only Arabs, but there genuinely are quite a few Jews living in that area who aren’t racial supremacist fiends. Because they’re so prevalent, it’s a common mistake to think that all Israeli Jews are psychopathic scum, hell bent on genocide and theft. But it’s simply not true.

    Now if it were possible to evacuate all the innocent Arabs, and those (tragically few) honorable Israeli Jews, including all children, then the world and all decent people in it, would no-doubt be quite joyous at the destruction of the planet’s most vile supremacist scum- that believe it’s their right – in the 21st century- to persecute, torment and murder innocent people in order to steal their homes and lands.

    This kind of colonial mentality might have been understandable at certain times in humanity’s primitive history, but with a Holocaust museum on every corner of America, we now live in different times, with different moral metrics, than we did in earlier centuries.

    And today nothing, nothing is more repulsive than the idea that one race or tribe of humans, is so much ‘better’ than another, that it’s justifiable for these racial supremacists to genocide indigenous people in order to steal their lands.

    For those supremacists who cling to such unholy and monstrous conceits – (Zionism), everyone would, and should! celebrate joyously at their collective destruction. Be they Jews or goyim Zionists, wherever they slither.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  67. Cking says:
    @Rurik

    What you say is true as well, the Soviet Union’s historical record of government and Red Army executed genocide is forgotten. I always bring it up when I can, because Stalinism is becoming popular now, as if young people should rally around Stalin’s legacy. Absurd.

    The 1950’s post Stalin era, the de-Stalinization of Russian life and Gorbachev’s Glasnost was a joke. The poor Russians, who were decimated during the Yeltsen ‘free market’ shock therapy era, only had their WWII ‘victory’ to boast about when their personal and national pride was in the basement. And to a great degree supports Western Europe’s hatred and defensive/offensive measures toward Russia. However, Russia must have lost close to 100 million people in the West’s, International Financier, International Monetary Fund, orchestrated ‘Glasnost’-Shock Therapy era, in which the ‘Harvard Gang’, led by Larry Summers, engineered the rape and looting of Russia, by western ‘investors’ and Russian Oligarchical opportunists. Not a peep from anyone. Russia, as huge as she is, is a continent with little more than 150 million people. Europe is and was always a mess. Russia is a mess too. The US has spent \$Trillions and \$Trillions of dollars in the Middle East, Southwest Asia, NATO, ect. Not to mention the costs of more \$Trillions spent to keep Wall St.’s unlimited bailout scheme operating. War and Financialization has made a mess of the USA which demands we stay out of war at all costs, we have a nation to rebuild; war will only benefit the very, very few, and will destroy what’s left of our own nation. IMHO

    • Replies: @Rurik
  68. Rurik says:
    @Begemot

    All Russia has to do is tell Eastern Europe to remove the hated monuments to the Soviet horrors that were visited upon Eastern Europe- and the hostilities would melt away.

    Yeah, unicorns and rainbows will breakout as well. Such ignorance and naivete.

    It’s already been going on..

    https://www.rt.com/news/soviet-ww2-memorials-may-be-removed-in-western-ukraine/

    https://www.rferl.org/a/then-and-now-photos-show-soviet-monuments-disappearing-in-poland-after-decommunization-law/30905305.html

    For simplicity’s sake, consider it this way..

    Imagine that there was a monument to the NKVD at the edges of the Katyn Forest in Poland, and Poles wished to tear it down, and build a monument to the Polish officers and professors and poets and others, who were mass-murdered there by the Soviet fiend.

    And then imagine how the Poles would feel when Russia demanded that the monument to the NKVD remained, to be honored by the Polish people for perpetuity.

    Because that’s a perfect analogy to all the monuments to the Red Army rapists and genocidal Soviet goons who terrorized and occupied not just Eastern Europe for generations, but Russia and Russians too!

    And it is this rift between Russia and her neighbors to the West that ZOG is using to foment wars on Russia’s borders, and invite all her neighbors to join ((NATO)), because Russia’s tender ego is too fragile to accept that the Red Army were not liberators.

    It’s as if white Americans were demanding that the Amerindians have monuments to general Sheridan on their reservations, or that the American South have monuments to gen. Sherman, in homage and gratitude.

    It’s insane, and a not just a thorn in their side, but a gangrenous wound that is festering and is bringing the world to the brink of yet another Jewish fomented global conflagration.

    And all to protect the oh so delicate vanities of a certain segment of the ultra-nationalist Russian male ego.

    Putin should nip this in the bud, as a kind of modern statesmanship to emasculate the Victoria Nulands of the world, and bring a very overdue rapprochement between Russia and all her neighbors.

    And it wouldn’t cost them a thing. Simply the blessing for Eastern Europe and the Baltic states to move on from that terrible war and it’s murderous, genocidal aftermath. Something Russians all ought to be able to celebrate as well.

    The people who fought and died in that Jewish imposed holocaust on Europe and Russia are mostly dead. It’s time to bury the hatreds. Before the grandsons and daughters of those Jews are able to use those generations-old hatreds to foment yet another mass slaughter of the “Best of the Gentiles’.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Begemot
    , @Miro23
  69. Rurik says:
    @John Regan

    I like Russians, but I’ve never known a people more psychologically enslaved to ((their worst enemies)).

    Even worse than Americans?

    good question

    Americans were hardly touched by the horrors of WWII. Many American service men died, but nothing like the millions upon millions of Russian and German and Polish men, women and children- and so many others in the European slaughter-fest, often burned alive or raped to death in a horror-fest as orgiastic for Jewish supremacists as it could get!

    Americans can’t even begin to comprehend the terror that was visited upon Germany and Russia at the beginning of the 20th century by the ((Wiemar regime)) and the ((Bolsheviks)), (respectively) and then found its way into Ukraine in the early thirties with the Holodomor and other horrors and atrocities. Imagine Russia and Ukraine as a giant Gaza, where these supremacists could unleash their Satanic hate with unbridled lust on millions upon millions of white Christians, and perhaps especially their children. What could be better for these fiends than to force white Christians to watch their children slowly starve to death, day after excruciating day? It was as glorious as anything they’ve ever achieved! Germany was theirs, Russia was theirs, now Ukraine was theirs too!

    White Americans might be on the verge of finding out what that’s like in this 21st century, but Russians and Germans know all too well.

    So, knowing who it was that plunged your nation and your civilization into unspeakable terror, death and misery, and led to the massive genocide of millions upon millions of the best of Russia and Europe and the Baltic states, why would anyone today, still want to pay homage to those ((Soviet fiends)) who raped your children, tortured your grandfathers and mothers to death, starved entire swaths of the best of your people to an excruciatingly slow death by the millions, and now to this day are doing a ‘divide and conquer’ all over again.

    And how? By playing on those same idiotic tropes about Russian nationalists vs. Ukrainian nationalists. When it was always, all along, Jewish supremacists vs. white Christians.

    But some people are so stubbornly parochial, that even when the ZUS State Dept. sends relentless Jewish supremacists into Jewish controlled Ukraine, to foment war, they’re still too damn dumb to see that they’re being played as brainless stooges, (on both sides of that conflict).

    Note to Ukrainian nationalists: yes, your ancestors were genocided in the most horrible way by the Soviet fiend. So were millions of Russians and Poles and Germans and others..

    But now making nice with ZOG, makes you look so colossally fucked in the brain, as to make everyone wonder if the Holodomor didn’t kill off every Ukrainian with any sense, (which was no doubt the whole point). ‘Kill the best of the Gentiles’.

    And note to Russian nationalists: your myopia is going to bring on more horrors, because you can’t or won’t see who the ((man)) is behind the curtain, the exact same ((man)) that dragged Russia though horror after horror in just the last century. (It wasn’t the Kulaks who did that or the Poles at Katyn, or the honorable Ukrainian and other men who nobly fought against the Soviet fiend).

    It’s like ZOG is Michael Vick, and Ukraine and Russia are the dogs being forced to fight each other for Mike’s amusement. There’s nothing that would please me more than for the world’s dogs, to see who is forcing them into these endless wars, and collectively set upon the global ‘Michael Vick’.

  70. Begemot says:
    @Rurik

    What you don’t seem to comprehend is that most of these east European animosities precede the Soviet period. Go read some history.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  71. Rurik says:
    @Cking

    The poor Russians, who were decimated during the Yeltsen ‘free market’ shock therapy era, only had their WWII ‘victory’ to boast about when their personal and national pride was in the basement.

    So the Jewish oligarchs looted Russia blind, plunging millions into destitution, and even as they did so, they used their total control over the levers of Russian society to enforce the narrative of ‘Russians as great patriotic heroes for destroying the Germans! And all of it to bolster Jewish supremacy over everyone.

    It’s sad and tragic, because no matter how many Russians were ground up in that zhid-fest of horrors, they still manage to aim their wrath at those Germans and other Europeans (and Russians!) who fought the genocidal Soviet fiend.

    Not a peep from anyone.

    Except Putin.

    I consider Vlad Putin to be the Western world’s only statesman. Victor Orban is good for Hungary, but Putin bestrides the planet like a giant in his time.

    Not least for his treatment of certain ((oligarchs)), whose hatred for Russia and the Russian people match almost our own ((neocons))

    I take the time to scrawl all of this because I simply don’t want to see the Jews use the Russian and Ukrainian people as infamously as they did in the last century.

    And the blame mostly belongs on the Ukrainian side, where imbeciles think making nice with ZOG is a good idea.

    But part of the blame belongs on Russia for refusing to acknowledge the horrors and injustices of the Soviet era. And why every Ukrainian and Russian and Estonian and Pole who donned the German uniform to kill Soviet fiends, where all honorable men. [RIP]

    Perhaps the ‘Ukros’ are too stupid to see how they’re ((being used)). IDK. If so, it should be the Russians who use their brains to defuse this insanity, by simply allowing that Ukrainians who fought on the Nazi side, were good and honorable men. Especially since that is obviously the truth. Jewish supremacist narratives notwithstanding.

    • Thanks: Cking
    • Replies: @Cking
    , @RadicalCenter
  72. Rurik says:
    @Begemot

    Go read some history.

    I choose my screen name because he was an historical figure poised at the beginnings of Russia’s and Ukraine’s historical ties. And I wanted to act as a mollifying effect between modern Ukrainians and Russians, who were (and are) being used by nefarious forces to rekindle wars for the fun and profit of evil people. Who are not Russian or Ukrainian, even as they position themselves to influence the lives and destinies of the Russian and Ukrainian people.

    Consider for instance ((Victoria Nuland)). And how she spends five billion dollars to ‘promote “democracy” in Ukraine’, so that she can personally pick ((who)) the president of that nation will be.

    I don’t care how many wars Ukrainian nationalists fought against Polish nationalists in centuries past.

    That’s all ancient history- for the scholars. What interests me is the who and why we’re on the brink of another World War to benefit ZOG, being fomented on the Russian and Ukrainian border.

    And those hostilities and hatreds are a direct result of that Jewish supremacist, Bolshevik madness of the last century. And the millions upon millions of Ukrainians and Russians that were ground up in it.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Begemot
  73. Cking says:
    @Rurik

    Nevertheless, It’s crucial for the American people to know that WWI, WWII, and now WWIII would not be possible without the United States, organized under the Federal Reserve Bank system, to wage war. So an American anti-war political platform must be erected and mobilized now, not for any other reason but to bring about the stabilization of the United States for the benefit of the American people and survival and perpetuation of the entire world humanity.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  74. Begemot says:
    @Rurik

    I don’t care how many wars Ukrainian nationalists fought against Polish nationalists in centuries past.

    It’s of no consequence what you think about these matters. What is important is what the people of eastern Europe think about these matters.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  75. @Petermx

    Her parents weren’t even born in the 1930s. Support comes in many forms. A grandfather who supported Germany and its economic world view would not have been uncommon in Western Canada at the time. The political upheaval taking place opposing the “mainstream” parties and electing “fringe parties”provincially to straighten out the mess left by the mainstream parties. Both Alberta and Saskatchewan elected political parties that bucked the standard economic theories, just as Germany had. Both took office with massive provincial debts and exited with no debt, balanced budgets and huge improvements for the quality of life for their citizens.

  76. Sulu says:
    @Rurik

    You are right, of course. But I tend to like simple solutions. The Arabs would be collateral damage. If you make an omelet you have to break a few eggs.

    Sulu

  77. Rurik says:
    @Begemot

    What is important is what the people of eastern Europe think about these matters.

    is there a war brewing between Poles and Ukrainians that I don’t know about?

    unless you’ve been living under a rock, the open hostilites are between ((Ukraine)) and Russia.

    Between ((NATO)) and Russia.

    Duh

    • Replies: @Begemot
  78. @Renoman

    No… They would let NATO allies (vassals) fight and then when the blood is shed just economically sanction Russia. That is why Russia is de-dollarizing. But they still deal in Euros. The Eurozone would join in like with Iran. That is why Putin is pushing Eurasian integration.

  79. @RoatanBill

    Ture… It appears Puting has been preparing for a long time. That is what BRICS is about… Getiting countries to deal and trade and make loans in local currencies. Just as Russia developed an internet backbone to defend against being cut off from the western led system – there is almost no question China and Russia are working together to get around SWIFT …. Russian energy companies now accepting Yuan as payment is almost a sure sign.

  80. Begemot says:
    @Rurik

    is there a war brewing between Poles and Ukrainians that I don’t know about?

    Where you pulled this from out of my comments is anybody’s guess. It is obvious you just do not understand what I’m telling you and that is OK. In review the thread of our exchange, just to see if I misunderstood something you said (I didn’t, by the way) I noted that you think the Katyn Forest is in Poland. It isn’t. It is outside the city of Smolensk. I’ll leave it to you to do a Google search to find where Smolensk is located. But it illustrates my point that you don’t know what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @Erzberger
    , @Rurik
  81. Begemot says:
    @Erzberger

    Thanks for this. I haven’t had time to read it beyond the first couple of pages.

    I first became aware of Teschen while reading Buchanan’s book “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War”. I grew up with the notion that Poland was a victim, but brave and worthy of respect and admiration. When I learned that Poland help Hitler devour Czechoslovakia another illusion died. Looking closer at Polish history I find that the Poles have been bastards and evil doers, too.

  82. Erzberger says:

    thanks, I went through the same rethinking of Poland from innocent victim of an unprovoked German attack to recognizing Poland as provoking same attack and bearing major responsibility for the outbreak of WW 2 in Europe. They are well on their way to provoking WW 3. A hopeless country, really, and the major obstacle to European integration and good relations with Russia.

  83. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    Putin should nip this in the bud, as a kind of modern statesmanship to emasculate the Victoria Nulands of the world, and bring a very overdue rapprochement between Russia and all her neighbors.

    Personally I think that this has a lot of possibilities. For example the Russians and Poles need to get rid of the historical baggage and look at what they have in common. For example Christianity, respect for tradition/culture, the family, meritocratic education and general anti-wokeness.

    Same for Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia and why not the Czech Republic, Austria and Eastern Germany?

    • Agree: Decoy
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Rurik
  84. Erzberger says:
    @Begemot

    “ I noted that you think the Katyn Forest is in Poland. It isn’t. It is outside the city of Smolensk. I’ll leave it to you to do a Google search to find where Smolensk is located.”

    True, Smolensk used to be in Russia (Kievan Rus) but in the late 14th/early 15th became part of Lithuania. The Russians reconquered it to protect themselves from constant attacks from the Polish-Lithunian Commonwealth. But from the Polish perspective, it was and always will be in “Poland” and Polish. Just like Danzig. It’s usually futile to argue with them. They are always the victim of foreign aggression

    • Replies: @Miro23
  85. Miro23 says:
    @Erzberger

    It’s usually futile to argue with them. They are always the victim of foreign aggression.

    Well aren’t they victims of foreign aggression? Poland was partitioned by Russia, Prussia and Austria in 1772, 1793 and 1795. Poland’s last remaining territory was annexed and the Polish state entirely disappeared in 1795.

    The assumption that Germanic hubris disappeared after WW2 is wrong.

    • Replies: @Erzberger
    , @nokangaroos
  86. Erzberger says:
    @Miro23

    The endless whining about the 18th c partitions of Poland as an act of foreign aggression is based on major misconceptions.. Poland, prior to post WW II Poland, was never an ethnically homogenous Catholic nation state. Like Austria (later: Austria-Hungary) which used to be called “Germany” (the successor state of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation) the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that literally fell apart in the 18th c, BEFORE it was partitioned was a multi-ethnic European state comprising much of Eastern Europe:

    “The population of the Commonwealth of Both Nations was never overwhelmingly either Roman Catholic or Polish. The Commonwealth comprised primarily four nations: Lithuanians, Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians (the latter referred usually as the Ruthenians). In 1618, the Commonwealth population of 11,5 millions could be roughly divided into: Poles, 4,5m, Lithuanians, 1,5m, Belorusians (Ruthenians) 2,25m, Ukrainians (the so-called “Volhynians”), 2m, Prussians 0,75m, Livonians 0,5m. This circumstance resulted from Poland’s possession of Ukraine and confederation with Lithuania, in both of which countries ethnic Poles were a distinct minority. To be Polish, in the non-Polish lands of the Commonwealth, was then much less an index of ethnicity than of religion and rank; it was a designation largely reserved for the landed noble class (szlachta), which included Poles but also many members of non-Polish origin who converted to Catholicism in increasing numbers with each following generation. For the non-Polish noble such conversion meant a final step of Polonization that followed the adoption of the Polish language and culture. Poland, as the culturally most advanced part of the Commonwealth, with the royal court, the capital, the largest cities, the second-oldest university in Central Europe (after Prague), and the more liberal and democractic social institutions has proven an irrestable magnet for the non-Polish nobility in the Commonwealth.
    As a result, in the eastern territories a Polish (or Polonized) aristocracy dominated a peasantry whose great majority was neither Polish nor Roman Catholic. Moreover, the decades of peace brought huge colonization efforts to Ukraine, heightening the tensions among nobles, Jews, Cossacks (traditionally Orthodox), Polish and Ruthenian peasants. The latter, deprived of their native protectors among the Ruthenian nobility, turned for protection to cossacks that facilitated violence that in the end broke the Commonwealth. The tensions were aggravated by conflicts between Eastern Orthodoxy and the Greek Catholic Church following the Union of Brest, overall discrimination of Orthodox religions by dominant Catholicism, and several Cossack uprisings. In the west and north, many cities had sizable German minorities, often belonging to Reformed churches. The Commonwealth had also one of the largest Jewish diasporas in the world.
    Until the Reformation, the szlachta were mostly Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. However, many families quickly adopted the Reformed religion. After the Counter-Reformation, when the Roman Catholic Church regained power in Poland, the szlachta became almost exclusively Roman Catholic, despite the fact that Roman Catholicism was not a majority religion (the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches counted approximately 40% of the population each, while the remaining 20% were Jews and members of various Protestant churches). “

    In short, whereas “Poles” considered it to be their right to rule over other peoples, being ruled by others was and is considered to be somehow against the laws of God and nature. Polish mythology today prides itself for being the oldest democracy in continental Europe, even though democracy was strictly limited to the – admittedly extensive – Polish nobility (szlachta), about 10% of the population, whereas the rest had no rights at all (compare voting rights of late 18th c Britain (3%) or US (6%). The term “Republic” in Polish history thus includes the aristocratic republic and elective monarchy prior to the partitions, the interwar military dictatoship, and the post 45 People’s Reublic of the Soviet satellite state. As for hubris:

    “ The prevalent ideology of the szlachta became ” Sarmatism”, named after the Sarmatians, alleged ancestors of the Poles. This belief system was an important part of the szlachta’s culture, penetrating all aspects of its life. Sarmatism enshrined equality among szlachta, horseback riding, tradition, provincial rural life, peace and pacifism; championed oriental-inspired attire ( żupan, kontusz, sukmana, pas kontuszowy, delia, szabla); and served to integrate the multi-ethnic nobility by creating an almost nationalistic sense of unity and of pride in the szlachta’s Golden Freedoms.
    In its early, idealistic form, Sarmatism represented a positive cultural movement: it supported religious belief, honesty, national pride, courage, equality and freedom. In time, however, it became distorted. Late extreme Sarmatism turned belief into bigotry, honesty into political naïveté, pride into arrogance, courage into stubbornness and freedom into anarchy.”

    More on Sarmatism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

    “ Once the Jagiellons had disappeared from the scene in 1572, the fragile equilibrium of the Commonwealth’s government began to shake. Power increasingly slipped away from the central government to the nobility.
    In their periodic opportunities to fill the throne, the szlachta exhibited a preference for foreign candidates who would not found another strong dynasty. This policy often produced monarchs who were either totally ineffective or in constant debilitating conflict with the nobility. Furthermore, aside from notable exceptions such as the able Transylvanian Stefan Batory ( 1576– 1586), the kings of foreign origin were inclined to subordinate the interests of the Commonwealth to those of their own country and ruling house. This was especially visible in the policies and actions of the first two elected kings from the Swedish House of Vasa, whose politics brought the Commonwealth into conflict with Sweden, culminating in the war known as The Deluge ( 1648), one of the events that mark the end of the Commonwealth’s Golden Age and the beginning of the Commonwealth’s decline.
    Zebrzydowski’s rokosz ( 1606– 7) marked a substantial increase in the power of the magnates, and the transformation of szlachta democracy into magnate oligarchy. The Commonwealth’s political system was vulnerable to outside interference, as Sejm deputies bribed by foreign powers might use their liberum veto to block attempted reforms. This sapped the Commonwealth and plunged it into political paralysis and anarchy for over a century, from the mid-17th century to the end of the 18th, while her neighbors stabilized their internal affairs and increased their military might.”

    https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/p/Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth.htm

    Most of the population annexed by Frederick the Great during the First partition was indeed Prussian, and Prussia at the time was not only known for religious tolerance but also for taking care of its people, regardless of ethnicity. The Austrian annexation – roughly, Galicia, was multiethnic, mostly Poles and Ukrainians. With no religious tensions between Poles and their fellow Austrian (German) Catholics, a postive view of Austria continued even into the Third Reich period when Polish military hero Pilsudski expressed the hope that Hitler, the Austrian, would live forever thus granting good relations between Poland and Germany. The first visit the Wehrmacht and leading Nazis paid to Poland was in 1935 for the purpose to pay tribute to Pilsuski at his Funeral. Hitler attended a church service in his honor in Berlin. The entire untermenschen saga wrt Nazi visions of Poles is a gross distortion of facts and denial of the long-standing Polish tradition of regarding Germans as unter- and unmenschen. But the main problem is that Polish identity appears to depend on hating and fearing either the Russians, or Germans, or both. I perceive no such need in Germans. I do fear Polish stupitity, such as presently planning to double their military spending and power, as if there was any hope to atand up to Russia without destroying themselves, again, and take the rest of Europe with them.

    Because one thing is certain: Had Poland agreed to grant Danzig the right to self-determination, their fate, and the history of Europe, would have been different. Can they do it with Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  87. @Miro23

    – It would probably be fair to go even further back than the “Partitions”,
    to the days of the Order, August and Ottokar.
    But the undeniable fact that now East Germany extends farther East
    than “Poland” makes this rather, erm, mobile Asiatic steppe nomad nation
    jumpy like the proverbial whore in church.
    Brexit has put a check on their drive westward (arguably to Little Britain´s
    detriment), so who knows what happens next?

    They want 800B reparations – I say let them have it.
    After deduction of 1.5M dead civilians, rent for 75 years, the waste they laid to the breadbasket of the Reich and of course restitution of East Germany they owe
    [consulting back-of-napkin]
    roughly 200 years of indentured servitude 😛

  88. Miro23 says:
    @Erzberger

    That’s interesting history but it glosses over the fact that Poles – (the same as Germans, Russians, Hungarians etc.) have their own historic land, their own language and traditions, and that their core territory was completely extinguished in 1795 by the combined annexations of Prussia, Russia and Austria.

    It’s as if the territory of Germany was divided between France, the Czech Republic and Poland with Germany extinguished and ethnic Germans become minority residents of France, Czechia and Poland.

    Because one thing is certain: Had Poland agreed to grant Danzig the right to self-determination, their fate, and the history of Europe, would have been different.

    This is misreading Hitler. He was a trickster who made all kinds of false promises (remember Chamberlains’ “Peace in Our Time” or his assurances that he had no interest Czechoslovakia apart from Sudetenland). The true Hitler is what you discover in “Mein Kampf” and David Irving’s exceptionally well researched books “The War Path: Hitler’s Germany 1933-1939” and “Hitler’s War”.

    The plan was a Germanic Empire reaching to the Urals 100% based on German racial supremacism.

    • Disagree: Petermx
  89. @Miro23

    Fact is, they had not really thought this through, apart from the semi-apocryphal
    “You don´t understand, Russia is our Africa and the Russians are our negroes.”

    For a time, the “AA-Linie” was aired (Astrakhan-Arkhangelsk) –
    the Ural was always unrealistic. Other than diffuse ideas of a network of
    friendly, agricultural client states there was no “Generalplan Ost”
    (i.e. disregarding the Ukrainian declaration of independence was a major
    political mistake, the result of Frank´s personal initiative).

  90. Erzberger says:
    @Miro23

    as I mentioned before, and as you have just demonstrated, it is completely useless to argue with Poles about their “historic lands”. You either didn’t read the “interesting history” I posted, or you are so brainwashed by Polish nationalist history and supremacy that plain and indisputable facts simply do not penetrate the mental barriers. You write, incomprehensibly:

    “ That’s interesting history but it glosses over the fact that Poles – (the same as Germans, Russians, Hungarians etc.) have their own historic land, their own language and traditions, and that their core territory was completely extinguished in 1795 by the combined annexations of Prussia, Russia and Austria.”

    The territory that was divided and annexed was clearly not, or not predominantly, Polish or inhabited by Poles, their language or culture. See my post. Read it again, if necessary. But I know it’s as pointless to argue with the likes of you as it is pointless to argue with Zionists about the West Bank or Jerusalem NOT having been always and forever Jewish. In fact, Jewish and Polish nationalism are spitting images of each other. Always self-determining at the expense of others. Nobody but the Poles, not even at Versailles, argued that Danzig was anything but a German city, and had been predominantly German/German-speaking since the Middle Ages, regardless of whether the city was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Prussia, or the German Empire. But that’s not how nationalist Poles view history, neither wrt to Danzig nor Silesia:

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1750698017741933

    People who have engaged in aggressive and increasingly genocidal Polonization for centuries have no right to complain about Germanization, and not even about Hitler. And unlike the Germans, the Poles are still very much at it:

    https://wachtyrz.eu/polonization-is-back-law-and-justice-in-katowice-after-2018/

  91. Erzberger says:
    @Miro23

    “ The plan was a Germanic Empire reaching to the Urals 100% based on German racial supremacism.”

    oh please, the Nazis had many plans, many of them contradicted each other, and you confuse German with Aryan, among other simplistic reductions of German war plans, and , as you state yourself, Hitler’s (and not just his) propensity to radically change course.

  92. It’s sad to see the same nonsense, over and over, about the so-called “coup” in Ukraine. The simple minded have bought Putin’s propaganda hook line and sinker.

    there never was a coup. Yanukovich tried to betray his people back under the Russian thumb, and rose up against it. Yanukovich ordered the Berkut to start killing people and then ran to avoid being brought to book for his crimes. Where he ran is instructive.

    Buchanan is an an idiot on the issue of Ukraine and nothing more than a shill for Russia. It’s a shameful come down for him.

    • Replies: @Begemot
  93. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cking

    lenin granted poland independence; then it invaded a russia weakened by civil war. same with the treaties poland did in the 1930s against the soviet union. poland is crushed then cries victim.

  94. Begemot says:
    @Quartermaster

    My wife, who is Ukrainian, and I watched the coup in Ukraine unfold in real time through news media and social media as posted by people actually involved in events. The real story was related by people who spoke Russian as their first language (and that includes most Ukrainians) and Ukrainian, which my wife understands. What you saw reported in the American media was not a truthful depiction of what was actually happening. You were lied to Quartermaster, and are still being lied to about what happened in Ukraine, but you are happy to believe the lies because it comports with the lies you have been told your whole life, and you would rather believe the lie than know the truth. This experience was a revelation to me in how much the US government and media openly and brazenly lies about things which are happening in plain view and in how gullible and credulous people like you eat the lies up.

    Quartermaster, you don’t know anything about Ukraine or what has happened there, so shut the f*ck up.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  95. @Bill Jones

    But first, evacuate the women to where my son will be living.

  96. @Joe Levantine

    I joined the local Greens years ago, but was immediately struck by what self-serving, eternally carping, infighting and splittist dick-heads they were. The German Greens, now neo-liberal capitalist and Atlanticist Imperialists to their bootstraps, are, it appears, even worse. This FM is a sad, sick, joke. Five minutes with Lavrov and she’ll be blubbering like a three year old whose tantrum is ignored by the adults.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  97. @Miro23

    Next time Nudelman is in Moscow, arrest her for complicity in the Kiev fascist putsch of 2014. See how much the USA loves its Zionazi overlords. After finding her guilty, deport her to Israel. Sounds fun.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  98. Rurik says:
    @Begemot

    is there a war brewing between Poles and Ukrainians that I don’t know about?

    Where you pulled this from out of my comments is anybody’s guess.

    Begemot:

    “What is important is what the people of eastern Europe think about these matters”.

    “These matters” being the hostilities between Russia and Ukraine that are pushing the world to the brink of another large scale war in the region. (imbecile)

    you think the Katyn Forest is in Poland. It isn’t. It is outside the city of Smolensk. I’ll leave it to you to do a Google search to find where Smolensk is located. But it illustrates my point that you don’t know what you are talking about.

    It doesn’t matter where Katyn forest is. What matters is what happened there, and why.

    And my point was that having a hypothetical monument to the genocidal mass-murderers there (regardless of its current political borders), would be an understandable (at least to sane and thoughtful people) affront to the people of Poland. In exactly the same way that all monuments to the Red Army rapists and genocidal Soviet fiends are not just an obvious affront to Eastern Europe and beyond, but more to the point, are at the heart of, and symbolic of- the hatred and division that is causing the rift between Russia and her neighbors, which is being cynically manipulated by ((evil people)) to foment more wars.

    But you’re obviously too stupid to comprehend the point.

    No matter, your trolling gave me yet another opportunity to point out to Russians their myopic folly and how they’re playing into the hands of Victoria Nuland and her ilk with their idiotic and offensive insistence with demanding Eastern Europe honor the Red Army rapists and occupiers as “liberators”.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  99. Rurik says:
    @Begemot

    What you saw reported in the American media was not a truthful depiction of what was actually happening.

    you needed a Ukrainian speaker to figure that out?

    Most of the people here at TUR know that- from ((the narratives)) of both World Wars, to events like the shooting down of MH17 (did your wife explain to you that it was shot down by Ukrainian forces?), nearly everything we’re told from our ((governments and media)) are all agenda-driven lies. Duh

    And we don’t need a translator to figure that all out.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  100. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    Russians and Poles need to get rid of the historical baggage and look at what they have in common. For example Christianity, respect for tradition/culture, the family, meritocratic education and general anti-wokeness.

    Same for Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia and why not the Czech Republic, Austria and Eastern Germany?

    I agree Miro, but why stop at Eastern Germany.

    Why can’t we all see and appreciate that Russia today is the hold-out from the global fiend’s unilateral domination of our world, which strives to turn not just the ZUSA, but the entire Western civilization (obviously including Russia), into a depraved, Wiemar regime of racial dissolution and moral and cultural sewage.

    It seems there is blame to go around. But for now, I concentrate on Ukraine’s feculent role as current stooge of the Zionists, to Russia’s intractable folly vis-a-vis the Soviet madness that imposed genocide and slavery upon millions.

    The truth is that all Gentile populations who suffered under the Bolshevik fiend, (both past and present) should all be repudiating the lies and treachery of that Eternal, hatred-consumed, genocidal Zionist, that will never, ever be satisfied until every last Gentile is given the ‘Kulak’/(to now include the Julian Assange’) treatment. From Russian to German to Eastern European, and including all Brits, North Americans, Australians, Baltics and all the rest.

    They hate us all, and it’s very tiresome to see them use us so easily, by appealing to petty and provincial hostilities and vanities.

    In the last century ((they)) used Danzig as their pretext to foment war, because Poles were so full of hubris, wanting to be considered in the good graces of Perfidious Albion and keep ill-gotten German lands and people in eternal persecution.

    Today ((they’re)) using Donbas, because Ukrainians want to be considered ‘Westerners’, and imagine themselves living in a Disney Land and going to rap ‘music’ concerts.

    Hopefully Putin (the only statesman alive today), will deflate their ego balloons with appeals to what you mention, but if he also has to use bullets, well then he can certainly be forgiven for that!

    God speed to Putin, and God bless all those pitiable people, being played by evil forces for the enslavement of mankind.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  101. @nsa

    Good comment, sir. As for Russia’s oil/gas exports to Europe, though, it doesn’t seem that they would decline no matter how many Ukrainians flee to Europe following a war on their soil. Those Ukrainian refugees in the EU will need heat, too, wherever they are housed. Energy usage in the EU likely would stay the same or very slightly increase.

    Without substantial nuclear power, even improved conservation and reduced per-capita energy usage will not obviate the need for sustained large imports of oil and natural gas into the EU. Most affordably, it seems, from Russia, in part due to the proximity and relatively lower transport costs.

  102. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    Russians and Poles need to get rid of the historical baggage and look at what they have in common. For example Christianity, respect for tradition/culture, the family, meritocratic education and general anti-wokeness.

    Same for Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia and why not the Czech Republic, Austria and Eastern Germany?

    I agree Miro, but why stop at Eastern Germany.

    Why can’t we all see and appreciate that Russia today is the hold-out from the global fiend’s unilateral domination of our world, which strives to turn not just the ZUSA, but the entire Western civilization (obviously including Russia), into a depraved, Wiemar regime of racial dissolution and moral and cultural sewage.

    There’s a lot of trust building needed here. Eastern Europe has (until recently) had a good economic and social relationship with Western Europe. For example Poland 2021 is much advanced from when it joined the EU in 2004 with regard to industry, infrastructure, social indicators, freedom of trade and freedom of movement.

    Also, the hijack of the EU by ZioGlob wokes is relatively recent and that’s the dilemma. Poland sees itself as part of the West rather that the East (Russia). It resisted Stalinism – but now its Western friends have turned on it, linking EU membership to Wokism (so called “European Values” such as open frontiers, LGBT, anti-Christianity etc.)

    Making friends with Russia is going to take time. A more realistic near term target would probably be strengthening links with the Visegrad Group. The Anglo world (US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ) looks like a hopeless case.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  103. Derer says:
    @GomezAdddams

    They have only three helicopters and one is broken.

  104. Derer says:
    @republic

    By annexing Donbas with 12 mil Russians there in 2014 the West Ukraine would be lost and become a member of NATO. Putin did not miscalculated but insists and fighting for NATO free Ukraine i.e. under Russian sphere of influence.

  105. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    Also, the hijack of the EU by ZioGlob wokes is relatively recent and that’s the dilemma. Poland sees itself as part of the West rather that the East (Russia).

    I agree with everything you’ve said.

    I just wish Russia would simply repudiate ‘Stalinism’ in no uncertain terms.

    Other than a few bruised Russian egos, pretending (idiotically) that the Soviets were liberators, I don’t see any down side. And every upside (bolstered peace, harmony, trade, etc…) there is.

    It would cause a tectonic shift in the cultural and geopolitical center of gravity, from (((London and Paris and NYC))), to Moscow.

    Few would be more enthusiastic to see that than American patriots, who like the ‘Yellow Vesters’ in France, and the Brexiteers in England are appalled at the plunge into the moral and spiritual abyss happening now in the West.

    Putin’s Russia could energize the Western world, if only he’d drop the idiotic and offensive narrative of the Red Army as saviors. When no one with a functioning brain believes that horse shite for one minute anyways.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  106. Derer says:
    @Miro23

    Russia 2021 is more vulnerable that the United States 1962 so the risk of a Russian first strike is greater.

    Strange logic. Russia is much bigger country than the US and also having lower density. Before Siberian nuclear silos are detected and disabled the American cities would burn – advantage Russia. Contemplating WWIII, one must assume that this time the front will not bypass American soil.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  107. @Rurik

    Russia has National Ego issues, and the Great Patriotic War is handy;
    besides it doesn´t offend the communists, still remarkably strong for the same
    reasons.
    Of course it gives everybody else the heebi jeebies (across Eastern Europe their
    monuments are known as “Memorial to the Unknown Looter” 😀 ).

    But what other unifying narrative/foundational myth is there?

    Catherine the Great? Nah, too German.
    Peter the Great? Nah, too Atlanticist.
    Iwan Grozny? Killed his son and pregnant daughter-in-law and invented
    the death squad and the vodka monopoly (maybe save for another time 😛 )
    Aleksandr Newskij? Murdered his father and brother and handed the realm to the Tatars just to stay in power (never mind the battle on Lake Peipus didn´t happen)

    … but above all it keeps Germany, Russia and everything in between at
    each others´throats so guess (((who))) promotes it?

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    , @Rurik
  108. Begemot says:
    @nokangaroos

    You may be right about the Russian need to feel important about their role in WW2.

    Anybody else have a similar need?

    How about the Americans. The standard view among the Patriots is that America defeated Germany pretty much single handed (there were some bit players who had a role, but its hard to remember who they were or what they did). The Normandy operation was THE DECISIVE EVENT of the war and Lend – Lease kept the Soviets from being defeated by Hitler. These were things only America and Her Greatest Generation were capable of doing. This outlook is considered being historically well informed. And, almost forgot, America liberated Europe.

    The Russians have since retreated to the east. The Americans are pursuing their Drang nach Osten.

  109. Rurik says:
    @nokangaroos

    But what other unifying narrative/foundational myth is there?

    as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I choose the name Rurik because of his historical juxtaposition between Russia and Ukraine. But Russia and Europe shouldn’t need any single unifying persona.

    Russia and Europe have the same historic blood ties, the same ancient enemies, (the Mongols, Tartars, Muslims, and especially the tribe), and the same spiritual and cultural heritage going back to ancient Greece, Rome, and subsequent Christianity.

    In the last century, Hungarians, Russians, Ukrainians, Germans and so many other white, Christian peoples were murdered, tortured, raped and persecuted by the tribe and their assorted goons, (especially Perfidious) that it seems unimaginable that today they wouldn’t feel a powerful kinship with each other, having all endured the same great genocidal ordeal, from the exact same genocidal enemy.

    The same enemy that openly spoke of wiping out and sterilizing all Germans. The same enemy that starved millions of Ukrainians to a slow and excruciating death. The same enemy that sent millions of Russians to the gulags, or to the front to slaughter other white Christians, and of course to get slaughtered themselves. ‘Such a deal!’

    It’s only because of that enemy’s collective hold on the world’s reserve currency, and hence all the media and other institutions of power, that Russia and Europe are set against each other, exactly as you say.

    But it’s Russia that has the power to emasculate the rabid ((pigs)) of war, by simply repudiating the crimes and injustices of the Bolshevik/Soviet era, (of which so many Russians were also victims).

    That’s all they need to do. Tell Europe to remove the hated monuments, and the distrust of Russia that is driving so many nations into the treacherous schemes of (((NATO))), would melt away.

    It wouldn’t cost a thing, other than a few Russian bruised egos who only cling to the idiotic narrative of the Soviets as liberators, out of a hatred (obviously born of envy) for the German people.

    The Russian people suffered under Bolshevism, and they suffered under Stalinism and communism in general, and then after all of those horrors, they see their ‘workers paradise’ replaced by a klepto-crony-‘capitalism’, where a handful of Jews and their stooges, loot the nation of Russia blind, and plunge the Russian people into yet another destitution.

    But to this day, these same Russian people can only vent their splean at ‘the Germans’, because to look behind thier own curtain, and see that they too are being used as chumps, (like we Americans obviously are) would be too painful to their vanity.

    They’re like the ‘greatest generation’ who cling to the idiocy that they saved the world from Nazism, as America and their progeny are headed to the diversity gallows that the ‘greatest generation’ dutifully constructed.

    The Jews must be thanking thier pig god every day that the goyim really are so cow-like.

    But then, that’s what things like the Holdomor and gulags and pograms and mass-slaughter of the best of the goyim was all about anyways. To ‘kill the best of the Gentiles’, so that they don’t breed children that can think and fight and act as rivals for dominion over thier own lands.

    If you gulag all the best ones, the ones that are left to breed, will be mediocre, as will their children, and easy to rule over. That’s why they murdered those men at Katyn. That’s why they murdered the Kulaks, the best of the Ukrainian stock. So they wouldn’t have strong, intelligent children, who would be rivals to the Jew’s unilateral power.

    Ditto the calls to sterilize Germans and enforce diversity upon the Western world.

    They want, and are succeeding, at breeding a race of bovine, obedient slaves.

    And only Russia has the power to undo all of that, with a simple decree.

    ‘Destroy the hated monuments to the Soviet era that profane Europa’s sacred soil.’

    • Thanks: John Regan
  110. @Rurik

    YES. Russians/Belarussians/Ukrainians, Poles, Germans/Austrians, and the other Europeans need to all forgive each other and get together.

    The people of these countries will benefit from cooperation against piracy and terrorism, increased (non-energy) trade, and greatly increased tourism and student/cultural-exchange programs in both directions.

    If they don’t drop the historical hatreds enough to cooperate in this fashion, they will be divided, poorer, and unable to resist economic and military domination by the USA today, or China tomorrow.

  111. @Cking

    Right on about the urgent need to dismantle the US Aggression-Industrial Complex here at home.

    To mention one of the more “extreme” (and to an American sad) scenarios: imagine how much harder it would be for the US government to invade and murder and intimidate innocent people far from its borders after TEXAS and FLORIDA secede. The loss of natural resources, tax revenue, and patriotic fighting-age men will seriously impair the remaining murderers’ ability to keep murdering.

    Perhaps that is what needs to happen for us to regain our freedom and sovereignty, and for those of you abroad to finally be and feel safe from the US government’s aggression. Peacefully and lawfully negotiated and implemented secession, we hope — though the US government surely won’t allow that.

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