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Is the U.S. up for a second Cold War — this time with China?

What makes the question newly relevant is that Xi Jinping’s China suddenly appears eager for a showdown with the United States for long-term supremacy in the Asia-Pacific and the world.

With the U.S. consumed by the coronavirus pandemic that has killed 100,000 Americans and crashed our economy to depths not seen since the Great Depression, China’s dictator seems to be making his move.

At the Communist Party conclave this May, China announced that it was seizing control of Hong Kong’s security. From now on, subversion, sedition, secession and foreign meddling within the city will be crushed.

Whatever sanctions the U.S. and its allies impose, there will be no free and independent Hong Kong.

“For an Ascendant China, Reining in Hong Kong Is Just the Start,” is the headline over The New York Times story on China’s new assertiveness.

“China’s move to strip away another layer of Hong Kong’s autonomy was not a rash impulse. It was a deliberate act, months in the making,” writes reporter Steven Lee Myers. “It took into account the risks of international umbrage and reached the reasonable assumption that there would not be a significant geopolitical price to pay. …

“With the world distracted by the pandemic’s devastating toll, China has taken a series of aggressive steps in recent weeks to flex its economic, diplomatic and military muscle across the region.

“China’s Coast Guard rammed and sank a fishing boat in disputed waters off Vietnam, and its ships swarmed an offshore oil rig operated by Malaysia. Beijing denounced the second inauguration of Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen, and pointedly dropped the word peaceful from its annual call for unification with the island democracy.

“Chinese troops squared off again last week with India’s along their contentious border in the Himalayas.”

To warnings that China is risking Cold War II, Beijing seems to be responding: If a Cold War with the United States is the price of securing our strategic interests and position in Asia and the world, bring it on.

Beijing has put the ball in America’s court. What do we do now?

Consider the list of nations with which China has territorial quarrels that have lately produced military clashes.

Beijing claims Indian lands China has occupied since their 1962 war.

China claims virtually all the islets and reefs in the South China Sea and now uses naval vessels to deal with the rival claimants of Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines.

Beijing asserts that Taiwan and all of its offshore islands in the East China Sea belong to China. While the Senkaku Islands have long been controlled by Japan, China claims these islands as well.

As for protests of the suppression of Tibetans and incarceration in concentration camps of Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs, Beijing brushes them off.

Should the U.S. seek sanctions on China if it crushes the resistance in Hong Kong, how many U.S. allies would support those sanctions, when, for Australia, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, China, not America, is their largest market and trading partner?

How did we allow ourselves to get into this position where a lately backward China is suddenly a greater rival for global hegemony than was the Soviet Union of Josef Stalin and Nikita Khrushchev?

Said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ruefully this month:

“China’s been ruled by a brutal, authoritarian regime, a communist regime since 1949. For several decades, we thought the regime would become more like us through trade, scientific exchanges, diplomatic outreach … (but) that didn’t happen.

“We greatly underestimated the degree to which Beijing is ideologically and politically hostile to free nations. The whole world is waking up to that fact.”

Yet, the rising totalitarian power of China, even with its imperial ambitions undisguised, does not threaten the vital interests of the United States.

So, again, the question: If China is prepared for a Cold War II with the United States to establish its predominance, what are we prepared to do should China absorb Hong Kong and convert it into a second Shanghai?

ORDER IT NOW

What are we prepared to do if China puts new pressure on Taiwan and seizes offshore islands in the East China Sea, as she did in the South China Sea? Sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s Russia to compel it to return Crimea and vacate eastern Ukraine have conspicuously failed.

Are we prepared to fight for any of the islands, none of which we claim and many of which we agree ultimately belong to Beijing?

The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property, coerced technology transfers from our businesses and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets.

Meanwhile, we allowed ourselves to become dependent on China for medicines and drugs vital to the health and the survival of millions of Americans.

Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2020 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Baxter says:

    I forget who said it. Someone once remarked, “they have given us the rope with which we will hang them.” Or it may have been, “we have sold them the rope with which they will hang themselves.” Ether way, they are both painfully accurate expressions regarding America’s relationship China.
    Whatever administration is in place after the next election, China is going to occupy a large large of its time.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  2. Do we know China rammed and sank a fishing boat off the Vietnam shore? Where does this news come from, a country that tells the truth or a country that always lies?

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Priss Factor
  3. Chinaman says:

    Pat is a master at sleight of hand omissions and using well chosen examples to fits his narrative.

    I live in Hong Kong and the Molotov throwing rioters have taken away some of my basic freedoms. my kids didn’t go to school for months because of the protests. HKer live in fear, of not the communist, but the black clad protestors who will assault anyone who disagree with them. Here’s what happen yesterday after the national security laws were announced.

    Pat or the CNN will never show you this of course.

    I will just say people who abused their freedom and violate other people’s freedom deserve none. What is freedom but child porn, drugs and anarchy in modern society. Freedom of speech is but hate speech. The people deserve their governance. As a born and bred HKer, I think I speak for majority of Hker when I say we welcome the national Security laws. I will gladly give up all my political freedom so the rioters, the faggots and people with a 2 digit IQ won’t have any. I am sure most White Americans will agree…

    Half truths are worst than fakes news. Pat, you are a congenital liar and a dirty politician. Go fuck your self.

  4. gfhändel says:

    The war was begun some time ago (perhaps Tianjin 2015). I think at least one side has been trying for this not to go off the boil.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  5. bluedog says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Lol well you have to remember it came from that old neocon Pat,who’s still looking up for that light on the hill that free beacon of the world and all the rest of the b.s. .!!!!

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @follyofwar
  6. Answer is simple. Stop buying their export goods and the whole rotten structure will collapse.

  7. How did we allow ourselves to get into this position where a lately backward China is suddenly a greater rival for global hegemony than was the Soviet Union of Josef Stalin and Nikita Khrushchev?

    Patkins, give up your Cold War mentality. China is NOT vying to be a superpower or world hegemon. It wants control over Chinese territories and strives for advantage vis-a-vis Asian nations. Is the Chinese navy patrolling the coastlines of California or NY or Florida? I think not. Indeed, there isn’t any Chinese naval ship near Hawaii. It is the US that is the aggressor in Asia. After US built up modern Japan and welcomed it into the imperialist club, they worked together to control China. But when Japan and US partnership broke down, and Japan vied for dominance in Asia and then lost the war, the US has been the imperialist hegemon in Asia. Why should it be? Why should the US control other parts of the world? What has US domination done for EU? EU is now just cuckville for US that is cuckville for the Jews.

    Who cares if China takes full control of Hong Kong? Hong Kong was collaborator of British Imperialism. It’s about time it became a proper part of China. And if China wants to take Taiwan, let it. Taiwan is now globo-homo capital that even has ‘gay marriage’, the first in Asia. It is a shit nation that must be crushed. US hegemony turned Taiwan into feminist globo-homo shit land.

    Your other examples of Chinese aggression are laughable. So, a Chinese coast guard ship bumped into some other ship. LOL. Chinese troops still occupy bits and pieces of India. This is esp funny coming from Americans who stole all the SW territories from Mexico. Of course, today, it’s the other way around, with Mexicans taking back not only SW territories but moving all across the US to alter electoral outcomes in places like Virginia and Illinois. US is a nation of extremes. At one time, it attacked and conquered other lands. Today, it does nothing while it’s being conquered by Diversity. Instead of using its muscle to stop the invasion, it takes orders from Jews and invades the Middle East. What a farce.

    In comparison, Chinese policy seems far more rational and reasonable. China wants control over rogue Chinese territories like Taiwan. China should invade, round up all the globo-homo collaborators. and shoot them. It wants control over its own sea lanes. Its contentions with other Asian nations over islands are more problematic, but that is Asia’s problem, not America’s. Does China interfere with US tensions with Mexico, Venezuela, Cuba, or etc?

    Why should it matter to the US if China wants to assert its interests in its own region? The real tragedy of America is the very core of America has been taken over by hostile alien Jews. NYT on Memorial Day spat on the memory of all those Confederate dead. Hollywood can’t get enough of movies and TV shows that feature white women with black men as the new idols of American Manhood. So many whites are victimized by black thugs, but the white ‘conservative’ narrative is ‘Chinese are nasty to blacks’. Meanwhile, Jew York Times ignores all black-on-white violence and instead drums up hysteria about White ‘racism’.
    But Patkins is stuck in cold war mentality and worries about some row between China and Vietnam. Who the hell cares about what happens over there? Fix problems over here.
    Buchanan is funny that way. He’s been calling for US to move out of the Pacific Asia. And yet, he sounds the alarm about Chinese power in Asia.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
  8. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Even if true, consider what the US navy does in the Middle East. It’s there against against all international norms and lobs missiles into Syria that has done NOTHING to the US.

    Buchanan’s still has that American Exceptionalist Arrogance.

    • Replies: @Whitebloodcell
  9. nsa says:

    Vintage Papist Paddy Pablum. Us…….blahblahblah……we……..blahblahblah………ourselves……….blahblahblah……….we…….blahblahblah……….our………blahblahblah………

  10. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    “I will gladly give up all my political freedom so the rioters, the faggots and people with a 2 digit IQ won’t have any.”

    I hope that you very soon personally get to experience exactly what you deserve, good and hard, you worthless piece of commie shit. Enjoy!

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @bluedog
  11. frankie p says:

    “Whatever sanctions the U.S. and its allies impose, there will be no free and independent Hong Kong.”

    And this is a surprise to whom exactly? Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997. I’m not sure if you dreamed that it would somehow become independent, but if you did, you are a fool. Hong Kong is and will remain part of China. The remaining 27 years of the so-called “One Country, Two Systems” policy are but a tiny blip in history. Now that western meddling and covert support for protest and violence from the kids in Hong Kong has pissed China off, they are changing the rules IN THEIR COUNTRY.

    I see these articles on Hong Kong and China, this one by Buchanan and the other by the Derb, and they both fail to mention the greater circumstances for Hong Kong. Pompeo is the same, with his “death knell” for Hong Kong. Truth be told, the death knell for Hong Kong was when China joined the WTO, foreign companies opened offices in other Chinese cities, and Hong Kong stopped benefiting from being the “doorway to China”. In 1997 Hong Kong was the number 1 port in the world. Today there are three or four CHINESE ports larger. In 1997, Hong Kong accounted for 23% of China’s GDP; in 2019, that is 2 – 3%. Hong Kong was lucky, but all Chinese know about how luck is cyclical. They have run out of luck. Best to integrate with the Pearl River Delta region and join the prosperity game. The protest and violence game is a dead end.

    “We greatly underestimated the degree to which Beijing is ideologically and politically hostile to free nations. The whole world is waking up to that fact.”

    Surely Pompeo is not referring to the US when he says free nations. What a joke.
    The whole world is also waking up to the fact that the Chinese people are satisfied with their government, the enormous economic prosperity they have experienced over the past decades, and the direction that their country is moving in.

    I sure wish that the US had a government that adopted policies that benefited the common man.
    That ship sailed long ago.

  12. frankie p says:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    It’s easy to search for enlightening information on the internet.

    China’s exports as a percentage of GDP in 2019 was 17.4% and falling.
    In 2006, exports as a percentage of GDP hit a high at over 35%.
    China is less dependent on exports, and growing increasingly less dependent over time.
    As a comparison, Germany’s exports account for 47% of GDP.
    The USA’s exports account for 12 to 13% of GDP.
    Lower exports to GDP make a country more self-sufficient.
    China is much closer to the US than it is to Germany.

    China’s exports to the US in 2019 represented 17% of its total exports.
    That is a significant number, but your statement that we should “Stop buying their export goods and the whole rotten structure will collapse.” is inaccurate if you are referring to the US as “we”.
    If not, I don’t see how you plan to convince the rest of the world to stop buying China’s exports.

    Again, Exports to GDP, 17.4%, and only 17% of those exports going to the US. China is not dependent on the US market.

    • Replies: @SZ
  13. Yawn. More yellow peril ranting from Pat. Actually, it’s not just the Chinese. I’m pretty sure Pat has never said a nice word about Yellow people of any kind.

    • Agree: Tor597
  14. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    This one is so bad that Mr. Buchanan even cites the NYT and “ruefully” Mike Pompeo. He’s the fake voice of imperial restraint, softening up the American people by demonizing anyone unwilling to kowtow to Uncle Sam.

    The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property, coerced technology transfers from our businesses and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets.

    Thieves and spies!

    But to really warmonger, there’s nothing like atrocity porn involving some overseas victim. That’s why he writes: “crushes the resistance in Hong Kong,” “rammed and sank a [Vietnamese] fishing boat,” “swarmed an offshore oil rig operated by Malaysia,” and “concentration camps of Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs.” If this were 1991, he would be questioning whether its in “our” interest to keep Sadam Hussein’s Iraq from throwing Kuwaiti babies from their incubators; if 1917, to pluck Belgian babies off the Huns’ bayonets.

    Are the people of this country going to fall for it again?

    • Agree: bluedog, animalogic
    • Replies: @Escher
    , @Realist
  15. @Priss Factor

    P.F., I’ve respected and enjoyed your comments, both serious and humorous. I will respectfully ask you if you have read this whole column by Mr. Buchanan.

    I was about to write some of the same things you did as I read his column this morning on VDare. However, Mr. Buchanan surprised me by coming through with my planned responses. To whit (whatever the hell that means):

    So, again, the question: If China is prepared for a Cold War II with the United States to establish its predominance, what are we prepared to do should China absorb Hong Kong and convert it into a second Shanghai?

    What are we prepared to do if China puts new pressure on Taiwan and seizes offshore islands in the East China Sea, as she did in the South China Sea? Sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s Russia to compel it to return Crimea and vacate eastern Ukraine have conspicuously failed.

    If he had stopped here, than I would have agreed with you and also gotten a similar comment in here. However, next:

    Are we prepared to fight for any of the islands, none of which we claim and many of which we agree ultimately belong to Beijing?

    Perhaps it’s Pat’s writing style, but this bolded part tells me he agrees with both of us, P.F. I don’t think he means just these islands. He means that none of these military intentions/adventures of China should be of any damn concern to us. If I’m wrong, well, Mr. Buchanan, why not chime in for once? What? You don’t read unz, too many Commies? OK, can’t say as I blame ya’. Keep on truckin’, Pat!

    • Agree: Craig Nelsen
    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  16. I wanted to reply to Priss Factor first, but let me just say that this is one of the best Buchanan columns on foreign policy I’ve read. At each point during which I was about to work up a comment in reply, he answered himself in the same way I would have.

    In addition to what I wrote to P.F., the last section, in which the writer brings up Chinese theft of IP, spies at the universities (military and industrial), and the purposeful transfer of tech and manufacturing prowess to make a quick buck, could not have been better written by me. Here: Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves. EXACTLY, PAT!

    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @animalogic
  17. Paulm says:

    I wonder where the “JinPing’ bit came from?-such a wonderful example of an attempt to denigrate through name-calling ( so sophisticated and professional!)
    Just one more item in the saga of ramping up hysteria about the Yellow Peril all over again.
    How dare China want to make sure its borders are safe from the madmen of the United States?
    China well know from its direct experience of United States barbarism in Korea War ( for which the United States has yet to pay it s trillions in compensation to Koreans for the genocide it perpetuated there)-let alone Vietnam, Libya, Syria etc etc. China knows full well how the US and its Western allies have funded and trained jihadists including many Uighers, in the Middle East
    China knows full well how the UK and US have funded and trained the kids who have waved American flags in HongKong and attempted to destroy HK’s economy, and told the Chinese from the mainland (as they are themselves), to go home!
    Pat’s diatribe is a great example of how rascist, ignorant and barbaric US foreign policy really is …

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @frankie p
  18. bluedog says:
    @onebornfree

    And the backward idiot has spoken,get up into the real world clean up the rot in your own capitalist economy run by the few for the few.I hope China kicks the shit out of those running around in black beating up anyone who disagrees, like we did at Kent when the troops opened fire on them,but we don’t like to talk about that now do we?.!!!

  19. frankie p says:
    @Paulm

    “I wonder where the “JinPing’ bit came from?”

    Pat’s lame attempt to create a “Bibi” for China.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Chinaman says:

    Lost in all this rhetoric and warmongering is the fact that China DONATED 12 billion masks to America
    , 40 masks to each and every American, all sewn by the Chinese hand.

    Jingping must be wondering “why bother ! “ …

    Not even a word of thanks. How ungrateful…How American.

    In a time when the world should be working together and countries should helping each other to defeat pandemic, the US response to the pandemic is to start the new COLD WAR with the only country that is trying to help. WTF!

    Whatever grievances America have, shouldn’t it be put aside until we defeat this virus?

    Instead of trying to help, it is intentionally sabotaging the global effort to the pandemic by withholding funding to the WHO. How many innocent in the 3rd world have to die because of America’s vindictiveness. WHO doesn’t ONLY work for China, there are WHO projects in hundreds of other nations too. Don’t worry, China and Bill Gates will pick up the tab. Who needs government that is already bankrupt. I hope Ebola, Malaria, TB will come back to haunt America Because it pull it’s WHO funding…

    How selfish. How American,

    Iranians was right…America is the great Satan.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Troll: Achmed E. Newman
  21. @gfhändel

    It began in earnest in late 1944, when the USAF firebombed Wuhan and left the defenseless city burning for three days.

    • Replies: @Escher
  22. SafeNow says:

    The essay refers to the ramming incident and to the Chinese navy. This sounds menacing; a war risk. But it is important to clarify this. China has launched gigantic “Coast Guard cutters” — 12,000 tons, the size of a destroyer! This allows them to have winning encounters without risking blowing the lid off. This is posturing. The “ramming” involved one of these “Coast Guard cutters.“ Using “CG cutters” lets off steam, without risking escalation. And, for China, the “cutters” are far cheaper than the U.S. Pacific aircraft carriers, which are useless.

  23. Bob Gwen says:

    Freedom is a load of red, white, and blue shit, Pat.

  24. Tor597 says:

    China is a backwards nation?

    Pat, take a stroll through America sometime whenever you are ready to leave your sheltered suburb.

  25. Challenge? Buahahaha , China will simply roll over this garbage can called America. The Chinese already had your ass in Korea and Vietnam, they know they are dealing with a cowardly people that only know how to attack from distance. Go there and try bombing China and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Rich
  26. Biff says:

    Whatever sanctions the U.S. and its allies impose, there will be no free and independent Hong Kong.

    Was there ever a free and independent Hong Kong? Once they get rid of the NED/CIA paid Street trash “living conditions” will improve, because “living conditions” is what counts – not some stupid idealism about freedom and independence.

  27. Escher says:
    @anonymous

    What is this child like comparing of aggressions?
    “He also did it. Why can’t I?”
    Just because America invades and bullies other nations doesn’t mean that it is ok for China to also do it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anonymous
  28. anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @frankie p

    Another stock Buchanan rhetorical device is to associate a targeted “enemy” of Uncle Sam with its purportedly oppressive political leadership. In this column we see both “Xi Jinping’s China” and “Vladimir Putin’s Russia.” (Have a look via the search engine at how the “autocratic” Orban is used in the same way to marginalize Hungary.) This both helps to sell the fear — “China’s dictator seems to be making his move.” — and mongers war with the good feelings of freeing oppressed people and democratizing their country, a la Hussein/Iraq, Ghadafi/Libya, Maduro/Venezuela, ad nauseum.*

    Its desiccated Beltway baloney, but gullible Americans still gobble it up.

    ——-

    Cue the dwindling fans of Mr. Paleoconservative, who will cite his doubts or opposition to some of these attacks. But as I already said above, its always done in a way to portray those targets as deserving of whatever righteous punishment “we” can afford to dish out.

  29. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    That Mao Tai is some powerful stuff, eh God Free?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  30. swamped says:

    “The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property, coerced technology transfers from our businesses and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets…Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves”…which has been President Trump’s point, all along. If the Chinese totalitarians want to ‘bring on’ “Cold War II” because the President wants to undo what previous Administrations & corporations did to us, then the CCP thugs may also ‘do it to themselves’. The CCP despots appear to be a little more irked right now however, that a majority of 120 nations of the world last week backed a resolution concerning the Jinping Plague at the 73rd World Health Assembly (WHA) calling for the World Health Organisation (WHO) to: “OP9.10 Initiate, at the earliest appropriate moment, and in consultation with the Member States, a step- wise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation, including using existing mechanisms, as appropriate, to review experience gained and lessons learned from the WHO-coordinated international health response to Covid-19, including (i) the effectiveness of the mechanisms at WHO’s disposal; (ii) the functioning of the IHR and the status of implementation of the relevant recommendations of the previous IHR Review Committees; (iii) WHO’s contribution to United Nations-wide efforts; and (iv) the actions of WHO and their timelines pertaining to the COVID-19 pandemic, and make recommendations to improve global pandemic prevention, preparedness, and response capacity, including through strengthening, as appropriate, WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme.”; and, crucially, to “identify the zoonotic source of the virus and the route of introduction to the human population”. So we can find out who really “did this to us.”
    Australia was a vocal backer of the resolution & Beijing shortly afterward suspended beef imports from Australia and threatened to impose heavy duties on barley imports. India too backed the resolution & this week, China ratcheted up tensions in the disputed Eastern Ladakh border region with India along the ‘Line of Actual Control’ & evacuated Chinese citizens in the vicinity. Perhaps we not only “ greatly underestimated the degree to which Beijing is ideologically and politically hostile to free nations” but also hostile to any nation that dares defy it for any reason. Hong Konger’s, Tibetans, Uighurs & the belligerent CCP’s many other self-made enemies continue to add up – maybe all we have to do is step back & let them trap themselves in their ever growing aggression.

  31. China Bad
    America Good

    I remember when Pat Buchanan was considered an outsider. Looks like he’s back in the pocket.

  32. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    the whole rotten structure will collapse

    not whole, some states like Hawaii will survive (may be)

  33. Escher says:
    @Priss Factor

    Your other examples of Chinese aggression are laughable. So, a Chinese coast guard ship bumped into some other ship. LOL. Chinese troops still occupy bits and pieces of India. This is esp funny coming from Americans who stole all the SW territories from Mexico.

    Waah waah. Amelika do it, now I big boy so me also wanna do.

  34. @Chinaman

    So is that a state secret, that 12 billion masks were donated to the United States?

    As Americans, we don’t expect any mercy from foreigners even if we speak out against our government. Those of us who know the score on who rules the USA do not ignore racial hostility and pretend it does not exist. Refusing to ignore racial hostility is to be a racist in modern America.

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  35. As long as China wont be a occupied superpower, they’ll look like the better deal.

  36. @Chinaman

    I live in Hong Kong and the Molotov throwing rioters have taken away some of my basic freedoms. my kids didn’t go to school for months because of the protests. HKer live in fear, of not the communist, but the black clad protestors who will assault anyone who disagree with them.

    Really? That’s weird. Local schools were never closed because of protests; they were closed because of the WuFlu / Covid-19 pandemic. I guess you’re a liar.

    What part of town do you live in? Nobody lives in fear, unless they’re near the out of control triads that work with the pigs. BTW, half of those dressed in black are undercover cops.

    What is freedom but child porn, drugs and anarchy in modern society.

    No, that is not the definition of ‘freedom’. If you’re looking for those things, just cross the border and visit the mainland! (except for the ‘modern society’ bit)

    Freedom of speech is but hate speech.

    Thank you for revealing your true character.

    As a born and bred HKer, I think I speak for majority of Hker when I say we welcome the national Security laws.

    You are so out of touch with Hong Kong people! Wumaos are hilarious! And I should point out the FACT that these are ‘National Insecurity Laws’. The CCP is paranoid and out of control. They need an enemy now because the mainland economy is in the toilet with hundreds of millions of unemployed and underemployed people.

    I will gladly give up all my political freedom so the rioters, the faggots and people with a 2 digit IQ won’t have any.

    The solution is simple: move to the mainland.

    God bless you and God bless Hong Kong!

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Chinaman
  37. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    Are the people of this country going to fall for it again?

    Yes…stupidity never sleeps.

  38. @Achmed E. Newman

    “Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves. EXACTLY, PAT!”
    Absolutely correct.
    And who is pathologically pushing Cold War II with China, because it abhors the notion of “equals” let alone superiors? Why, it’s the same — the US of A.

  39. @Escher

    On December 18, 1944, the Chinese leadership in Chongqing, namely Chiang Kai-shek, Chen Cheng and He Yingqin, connected the China war with the European theater by approving the tactic of strategic firebombing of the major occupied city of Wuhan. The vehicle was the giant new American B-29 Flying Super Fortress bombers that were brought to Chengdu expressly for the purpose of firebombing Wuhan. The commander of the bombing raid of 92 planes was none other than the youngest two-star general in the US Army Air Force at the time, General Curtis LeMay. A few months later LeMay would become famous for directing the firebombing of Tokyo and a hundred other Japanese cities.

    The firebombing of Wuhan drew little attention internationally and was censored in the Chinese press. Yet the physical destruction and loss of life was very heavy. (Chiang Kai-shek in his diary admitted to 40,000.) Hankou (1) was said to have burned for three days.

    Curtis LeMay was transferred (from Europe) to Asia in the fall of 1944 with a mandate to develop strategic bombing plans for Chinese and Japanese cities (…) Frustrated at first by the ineffectiveness of high-altitude bombing of Japan from China, LeMay began to explore the alternative of low-altitude incendiary or fire bombing (introduced first in the European theater by the British and famously applied at the end of the European war in the destruction of Dresden on February 13, 1945). LeMay planned to use M-69 incendiary bombs, an extremely deadly cocktail of phosphorous and napalm just developed for the purpose by scientists at Harvard University.

    The Japanese had been using airbases and railway lines of Wuhan in central China since its capture in October 1938, to wage war and bomb targets in central and southwestern China. Wuhan had been an especially important launching pad for the last big Japanese offensive, beginning in the spring of 1944, known to historians as the Ichigo campaign. This campaign seemed in November-December, after the fall of Guilin, to possibly threaten Chongqing.

    Chinese official sources on the subject are understandably limited, but both Chiang Kai-shek’s and Wang Shijie’s diaries mention the bombing — as does the US Ambassador Hurley and others in dispatches. Clearly there was an agreement at the highest level of the Chinese government — on the military side namely Chen Cheng and He Yingqin with US commanders Wedemeyer (2) and Chennault (3). LeMay was given the green light by General Wedemeyer and Minister of War Chen Cheng to firebomb Wuhan in order to destroy its airbases, industrial capacity and railroad lines.

    On December 18, ninety-four B-29 Fortress Super bombers took off from airfields outside Chengdu on an operation with the codename Matterhorn loaded with 500 tons of incendiary bombs. For LeMay, this was his first experience with firebombing on a grand scale. For the Chinese leadership in Chongqing, this was a strategic decision resembling earlier ones like the blowing of the dykes of the Yellow River or torching of Changsha and Guilin. A top advisor and Minister (of Propaganda) to Chiang Kai-shek at the time, Wang Shijie, who was a native of Wuhan, expressed regret in his diary; but he agreed that the bombing was necessary — regardless of cost to the city and its civilian population. Wuhan had to be sacrificed.

    (To be continued)

    1) One of the three major districts in Wuhan. Historically, Wuhan emerged as the conglomeration of three cities: Hankou, Wuchang and Hanyang.

    2) Albert Wedemeyer, Chiang Kai-shek’s chief of staff and commander of US forces in China.

    3) Claire Chennault, commander of 14th Air Force in China.

    • Replies: @Escher
  40. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Escher

    What is this child like comparing of aggressions?

    Yeah, I like to hear such BS from the most bullying stealing&killing nation on earth. “We did it for centuries, but any other is bad bad bad!”. Just STFU anf OFF to well-known direction, murikan boy.

    • Replies: @Escher
  41. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Escher

    Where do you get “comparing of aggressions,” or “that it is ok for China to also do it”?

    I’m dissecting (yes, it is hypocritical) Exceptional! propaganda, in the faint hope of preventing more US destruction of other countries and GoldStarring of my fellow Americans.

    In the meantime, feel free to join the Malaysian Oil Rig Freedom Fighters.

    • Replies: @Escher
  42. @swamped

    The covid19 investigation which the Chinese “despots” are so “irked” by — China itself voted for it…
    And — “Beijing is ideologically and politically hostile to free nations” but also hostile to any nation that dares defy it for any reason.”
    This is a joke right? China has been the victim of ever increasing negative attention from the West since the “pivot to Asia”: sanctions, tariffs, bans, imprisonment of its economic “royalty”, foreign interference in its domestic affairs (HK & Urghurs) & so on — & finally they start to stand up to it & it’s THEIR fault?
    A fine sense of justice you have.

  43. Realist says:

    The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property, coerced technology transfers from our businesses and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets.

    Coerced technology transfers from our businesses? That is bullshit…US companies gladly gave away their technology for cheap labor…you know Buchanan like in the bible avarice.

    Meanwhile, we allowed ourselves to become dependent on China for medicines and drugs vital to the health and the survival of millions of Americans.

    Again avarice.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  44. @Hong Kong Awake

    Yep, he and Godflee are a pretty good advertisement for opposing China.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  45. @GazaPlanet

    You guys been the most racist against whites when you infected yourself with Zog.

  46. @Elmer T. Jones

    Answer is simple. Stop buying their export goods and the whole rotten structure will collapse.

    According to the consultancy firm McKinsey and Company it is the rest of world which is dependent on trade with China as pointed out by Buchanan. On the contrary China is increasingly relying on its consumers for economic growth plus has amassed trillions in sovereign wealth.

    These people aren’t dummies but long-term thinkers.

  47. Escher says:
    @Anon

    LOL. Where do you see the justification of American aggression, which is and has been far more destructive than the recent shenanigans of the red Chinese.
    When that time of the month is over, you can return and make a reasoned argument.

  48. Escher says:
    @anonymous

    All I am saying is that using past and ongoing American acts of aggression as a justification for Chinese bullying of their neighbors is not a logical argument.
    And what’s the deal with the Malaysians?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  49. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    This bombing was sanctioned by the government of of China.
    Putting aside the inherent immortality of bombing civilians, to call that event the beginning of the current confrontation between America and China is logically laughable.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  50. @Elmer T. Jones

    Stop being the ugly American who is always over-estimating himself. Only 17% of China’s exports go to the US. Good luck bullying them into submission.
    On the otherhand, I have already stopped buying American goods and services for some years now. And I know many more people are doing the same.

  51. @swamped

    have stolen our intellectual property, coerced technology transfers from our businesses and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets

    .

    Of course, the US has never done that, have they? The US emptied the contents of the German patent office and sold patents to US corporations. Right to work states coerced foreign businesses to relocate, with massive public subsidies. American students in other countries have never provided information to the US, and Americans, like Stefan Halper, working at universities overseas have never helped either. The pot calling the kettle black.
    China doing it = big problem. Israel doing it = nothing to see here.

  52. @Realist

    Blaming the PCR is convenient. Dozens of US companies, including National Cash Register (NCR), moved their manufacturing to Taiwan, which is China. If I recall correctly, over 40,000 people in Ohio alone last jobs due to the move.
    Taiwan was the appetizer, the PRC was the main course.

  53. @Chinaman

    Pat Buchanan hasn’t had to deal with this many flat-out Communists since he was mistaken for an FBI guy in his dapper suit in the middle of the Washington, FS riots during the Nixon campaign. (I just got done reading his The Greatest Comeback – short review here.)

    • Replies: @bluedog
  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    Who cares if China takes full control of Hong Kong? Hong Kong was collaborator of British Imperialism. It’s about time it became a proper part of China.

    I certainly don’t care. What China does in its own territory is its own business.

    • Replies: @Anon
  55. romar says:

    The surname – or equivalent – is “Xi” , not “Jinping”

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
  56. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    The last time I checked, HK is a Chinese and not a US territory. Who gives a shit what the Chinese wants to do with their territory or their neighbors? If they can’t get along it’s their fucking problem. Pompeo is a lying sack of shit who only cares about global domination for economic gains on behalf of his neocon Jew masters. Pat needs to stop sticking his nose into foreign affairs, every time he does I lose some respect for him. He used to be all about non-interventionism, but lately when it comes to China, he sounds like a fucking neocon.

    Kickout all current and former citizens of China currently living in the US, stop issuing any and all visas to Chinese citizens, end all Chinese language programs in US high schools and colleges, reshore our entire supply chain back from Asia. Then, leave Asia the fuck alone to the Asians. The last time I looked on a map, the US is not part of the Asian continent. Focus our attention at home and defeat the deep state and globohomo once and for all. You can’t on the one hand denounce globohomo and on the other hand cooperate with them on bringing down governments that don’t toe their lines. Pat needs to start thinking clearly.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. @Baxter

    I think it goes something like this: “they have sold us the rope with which we HANG OURSELVES.”

  58. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Former elected Taiwanese officials talked openly on TV about CIA and NGOs sponsoring and training Hong Kong “protesters”. The Taiwanese are no fans of China but they have to admit what has been going on in HK. The Americans were not even trying to hide their activities such as renting office spaces for training protesters. So brazen of the Americans. Does anyone expect inactions from China?

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Replies: @frankie p
  59. @Achmed E. Newman

    The thing about Buchanan is he contradicts himself with nationalism and alarmism.

    On the one hand, he says the US should stop with empire and come home. But on the other hand, his Cold War mentality exaggerates the power or rise of other nations. As such, he too projects American hegemonism on other nations.

    China is just minding its territorial waters, nothing more. As for Taiwan and Hong Kong, those are Chinese territories.

    If Buchanan really wants to make a pro-nationalist and anti-imperialist case, he should stop with the alarmism over China. By exaggerating the ambitions of China, he implicitly makes the argument that the US must be the policeman of the world.

    Same with Ukraine and Crimea. We know that Putin was reacting to US-led coup in Ukraine. But even as Buchanan argued against possible war with Russia, his Cold-War mentality spun the narrative as Russians being aggressive in Ukraine.

    Buchanan would do better to argue, “China is minding its interests in its region, so we should let Asians sort it out”, but he goes for “China is aiming to be a superduper monster power… and we can’t do anything about it.” It’s ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  60. Chinaman says:
    @Hong Kong Awake

    Really? That’s weird. Local schools were never closed because of protests;

    https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/news/hong-kong/article/3068732/hong-kong-protest-schools-close-disruptions-continue

    Really? I bet you never even being to HK, haven’t you?

    Do you speak Cantonese? I will use the rallying cry of the protestors to salute you. 𨳒你老母 la…

    if you even understand that, go mind your own fucking business Gweilo. Go find another country to destroy. As Iranians like to say, Americans are the Great Satan. Everywhere there is conflict, there are American’s fingerprints.

    I was born in HK here, paid taxes, created hundreds of jobs. People like me is what makes HK it is today.

    What the fuck have you ilk and the protestors have done for HK beside being a parasite and destroying it.

    Go back to 連登 or troll somewhere else ok?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  61. @bluedog

    Bluedog, if you think that Pat is an “old neocon” then you either have poor reading comprehension or you haven’t read him much. Buchanan has been at war with neoconservatives ever since Poppa Bush’s first Gulf War.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    , @bluedog
  62. SZ says:
    @frankie p

    As a comparison, Germany’s exports account for 47% of GDP.

    Germany’s exports should be seen as tribute payments in kind.
    Germany’s net revenue from exports to the US either result in crediting of the Bundesbank account at the FED or converted into gold that is stored by the FED for Germany, at least on paper, since the last seven decades of so. In 2013, the German government started to repatriate their gold to Frankfurt, tough only 300 tons could be retrieved from New York until 2017, while in paper there was more than 1,500 tons. To avoid further embarrassment for both sides, the Bundesbank ended its repatriation programme three years earlier than scheduled (it was planned to continue until 2020). See: https://www.bundesbank.de/de/aufgaben/themen/bundesbank-schliesst-goldverlagerung-vorzeitig-ab-644174
    And within the EU, all net exports are cleared through the TARGET system where member states issue IOUs to each other, nothing more.
    Any individual German exporter is, of course, paid by any individual importer via bank transfer for each batch of goods received, make no mistake about that. That is, an importer in the US transfers the price of 100 Audis to the German exporter before or after reception of those 100 Audis. Similarly, some German importer buying 100 Harley Davidsons transfers the price to the US exporter. But at the end, when the net balance has to be cleared between the central banks, most of that balance resulting from Germany’s net exports are not transferred to Germany but converted into some form of IOUs (including gold claims) which will most probably never paid back. Or whatever is transferred is then re-routed into some US investment scheme including bonds and other tools.
    The regular fining of German companies, such as Volkswagen, for some minor inconsistencies in emission values, or that of the Deutsche Bank, for the LIBOR scandal (while City-of-London banksters were the real culprits), are an extension of that tribute extraction practice going on since 1945. Even German acquisitions of US firms, such as Bayer ‘buying’ Monsanto appear as a forced tribute payment. It is doubtful that Bayer ‘owns’ and ‘controls’ Monsanto, further, that ‘purchase’ will probably never repay itself, but vanish in some kind of investment fund after some form of ‘restructuring’, just like German chemical giant Hoechst was blown into bits and pieces after it engaged in dubious ‘partnerships’ with companies from ‘allied’ countries.
    I feel sorry for the Germans, but it is their own stubbornness and stupidity that puts them in trouble and keeps them there. They are highly productive, industrious, conscientious, and also honest and honourable, but they cannot distinguish between foe or friend, nor are able to prioritise their national interest. In that point, I have to show respect to the Chinese, as they are determined not to work for other people’s enjoyment forever.
    The Germans are like a successful engineer who is regularly robbed of its savings by some finance guys, but who doesn’t care much as he is able to earn over and over again only to be robbed again by his ‘friends’ whose recognition and friendship means so much to him. The Chinese, on the other hand, are like the cleaning lady in the villa, or the dry cleaner around the corner, or the car wash guy at the end of the street, who don’t give a fuck about recognition and friendship of their smug clientele, but only care about saving (and buying up) as much as they can so that their children and grandchildren will not have to deal with other people’s dirt anymore.
    That’s why the Chinese reserve respect, while the Germans can go and fuck themselves for allowing their savings to be robbed, their women to be taken by foreigners, and their identity to be erased from their collective memory.

    • Agree: frankie p, utu
  63. @Priss Factor

    I kind of agree, P.F., especially from other columns of his. In this one, it’s hard to interpret his mindset. He sure does sound like he’s got the old Cold-War era (quite justified) attitude that this is worrisome and we’d better contain this s__t. However, of all the things he acts like he’s worried about China doing, he finally gets around to writing that none of it is our business with that one part I bolded above.

    It’s arguable to me whether he thinks we not only CAN’T do anything, but that we SHOULDN’T be, even if we could.

    You are right that most of these moves by China are within it’s sphere, so to speak. (Same with Russia and the Ukraine, etc). I can’t say what China’s ambitions are. Economically, they are already setting up to exploit resources around the world – nothing at all wrong with that, BTW. I mean, you can’t make Africa any worse, right? (And, maybe we won’t have to hear 50 more complaints about “muh colonialism”!). Military ambitions may follow, but I don’t know.

    Anyway, it’s good to have an honest conversation without the ridiculous Commie Contingent chiming in with their worthless BS. Thanks.

  64. @Chinaman

    I agree with Mr. Awake, of course, but honestly most Americans couldn’t give a rat’s ass how it turns out over there. Get ahold of yourself. SLAP!

    • Replies: @d dan
  65. @swamped

    China hostile to any country that dares to defy it for any reason? What does the US do to a country that dares to defy it for any reason? Arranges a coup by any means including total destruction of the country. This is all about China daring to defy Uncle Sham. Nothing else.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  66. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve got a better idea. How about we end ALL immigration and send packing ALL non-citizens, period. Last time I checked, America is on a completely different continent from the Eurasian/African continents, and have clear borders north and south of us. Time to enforce those borders if we’re still a real country.

    Bring back all our manufacturing, end all immigration, send all immigrants since 1965 packing, then leave the 3rd world the hell alone.

  67. frankie p says:
    @Anon

    Provide the link. Then wake up if you think that “they (the Taiwanese) have to admit what has been going on in HK.” I have lived in Taiwan for over 30 years, and I’m currently enjoying the Plum Rains here in the southern city of Kaohsiung. The Taiwanese have COMPLETELY drunk the western kool-aid in regards to China=evil, US=good. You mention “former elected Taiwan officials”, and I’m wondering if they are deep blue, pro-reunification KMT or now defunct New Party former officials. I love Taiwan. I am seriously concerned with how the US actions in Hong Kong and the ongoing containment policy against China are going to exacerbate and force a conflict with Taiwan. If the US would keep their ****ing hand off East Asia, the status quo in Taiwan could continue for many years. If Trump gets four more years, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pushing for US naval visits to Taiwan, perhaps even US missiles or troops stationed here. Taiwan needs to understand that it is but a tool of the US, and the US, while paying lip service to the “democratic miracle” in Taiwan, will throw the island under the bus in a second to get a leg up on China or hamstring it in global relations.

    • Agree: Chinaman
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Chinaman
  68. Mr. Grey says:
    @follyofwar

    Right. Even when I was a leftist back in the 80s and 90s I admired Buchanan for his nationalism and pro-American view. I remember him from the McLaughlin Group.

  69. Does Buchanan think Jinping is his last name? Chinese put last name first.

  70. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Escher

    And, for the second time, it’s not my argument.

    As to the Malaysians, you’ll need to ask Mr. Buchanan — it’s right there in his column, from which I quoted in my comment #14 that started our fruitless conversation.

  71. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @frankie p

    and I’m wondering if they are deep blue, pro-reunification KMT or now defunct New Party former officials.

    No, they are not. This guy, for example, is a member of DPP.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Kuo
    “Kuo was first elected to the Legislative Yuan later that year as a member of the DPP“

    Kuo is not the only one that talks about the CIA’s involvement. You can go through the videos posted the last few weeks. Or if you want you can go further to las year.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiOR3zQCU-tLza5g1MuqABA/videos

    Best political TV talk show in Taiwan re cross-strait relations. It has great guests which include former elected officials from KMT and DPP, retired high ranking military men, former diplomats, professors and former government officials who specialize in China or the US.

    Unlike 99.9% political talk shows in Taiwan, this one actually has substance and provides some good information.

  72. @romar

    Same bullshit–denigrate some foreign leader by disrespectfully calling him by his first name, like the overblown use of Saddam (usually pronounced “Sodom” just to get the Bible-thumpers boiling), instead of using his title (President) or last name (Hussein).

    I’m NOBODY, but it irritates the snot outta me when some stranger calls me by my first name. Aren’t there diplomatic PROTOCOLS?

    Jeez, you can go on and on about some leader being a rotten bastard (whether true or not), but just calling them by their first name makes you a classless ass. Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Kim, Maduro, Chavez, & Castro at least got called by their last names, with or without title. And Pat’s been around long enough to know how Asian names roll, fer fuck’s sake.

    Now, somebody like Linh Dinh, I wouldn’t have a fucking clue since he was in the US so long, so he may have switched it around, thus I treat it like an American name and Dinh is his surname. I may be incorrect, but one tries.

    • Agree: utu
  73. @frankie p

    The whole world is also waking up to the fact that the Chinese people are satisfied with their government, the enormous economic prosperity they have experienced over the past decades, and the direction that their country is moving in.

    I keep trying to remind people that communist China’s achievement verges on a miracle: In just 70 years they’ve lifted one billion peasants out of a hundred generations of poverty and cyclic famines.

    What we’re seeing is the first generation for whom famine hasn’t been experienced by either themselves or their parents. The ovaries of this generation of Chinese women will be bursting with healthy eggs – IQ in that region is going to skyrocket.

    I’m guessing also that China has observed how the west is failing, and it won’t be making those mistakes.

    • Agree: frankie p
  74. @Escher

    The ‘government of China’ was so called by the people who did the bombing. Corrupt American puppets, in other words.

  75. Chinaman says:
    @frankie p

    The madness and irony is that most Taiwanese think it is China who is destroying HK when HK is just an expendable pawn for US in its full spectrum aggression China. It all comes back to the trade war and HK is the loophole that need to be plugged so China can’t escape sanctions via HK. It say much about global IQ when 90% of the world think it is about freedom and democracy when it is just cold hard economics.

    In a way, HK deserve it since they don’t even care that they are being used.

    Taiwan is next of course. Let’s see what pretext and trickery the Great Satan will use to destroy Taiwan.

  76. d dan says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “I agree with Mr. Awake…”

    The poster “Hong Kong Awake” is a known troll and liar.

    “… but honestly most Americans couldn’t give a rat’s ass how it turns out over there. …”

    So why do you agree with that troll “Awake”, who strongly sided with the rioters/terrorists? You either keep quiet and stay neutral, or you read up more about what they do before you decide.

    It is universally acknowledged by every knowledgeable person (about Hong Kong) that those terrorists (and that probably include “Awake”) are funded by foreigners. They engaged in vandalism, arson or murder. They are treasonous to their country. They are unprincipled and hypocrites. At least the ISS terrorists are more principled.

    “Chinaman” ‘s words are inelegant but accurate: the terrorists are destroying the city and taking away Hong Kongers’ basic rights. He is willing to sacrifice his to fight back. It is kind of like “give me liberty or give me death” – a spirit that we should support. “Awake”, however is a smooth talker with all high sounding but meaningless words. You fell for the later.

  77. utu says:

    If the US is really going to contest and stop China, Taiwan is the place where to draw the line in the sand. The legal case for Taiwan sovereignty and independence from China within the international law is much more clear cut than that for Hong Kong. If the will of the Taiwanese who in majority do not have close historical links to China is to seek the independence then the US should help them. Actually it is the US that should give Taiwan guarantees that it will use all its power to protect the independence of Taiwan so Taiwan can proceed.

    China does not need to have Taiwan just like the US does not need to have Puerto Rico or Hawaii. If Puerto Rico or Hawaii decided to secede I would support any country, including China, that would help them to accomplish it. For similar reason I will support the US helping Taiwan achieve its independence.

    From the point of view of the rest of the world that consists of small countries and and small nations neither China nor America are good guys or bad guys. They are powers that small nations and countries have to put up with. While America did some good in the world it also did a lot of evil. China has not been a power long enough yet in the modern era to demonstrate its full capacity for good and evil but nobody has any illusions that given a chance it won’t be much better than America.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Awash
    , @d dan
  78. Awash says:
    @utu

    ‘much better’ in what sense? Can you elaborate.

  79. Anonymous[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Pat is a master at sleight of hand omissions and using well chosen examples to fits his narrative.

    I disagree. He’s a peddler of some of the crudest, dumbest, most obvious propaganda I’ve encountered online. He’s the type of guy who’ll literally write “Are we prepared to fight for any of the islands” and expect steely resolve instead of laughter among the audience. I’m still grinning.

  80. d dan says:
    @utu

    “If the US is really going to contest and stop China”

    Why?

    “Taiwan is the place where to draw the line in the sand.”

    No, it is internal issue of China.

    “The legal case for Taiwan sovereignty and independence from China within the international law is much more clear cut…”

    “international law”? LOL, there is “international law” governing which region can secede from a country? Please enlighten the readers.

    ” If the will of the Taiwanese who in majority do not have close historical links to China…”

    Taiwanese are majority Han, with close tie with mainland Chinese, historically, culturally, genetically, religiously, economically, …

    ” … is to seek the independence then the US should help them.”

    The whole world would be in chaos if every country can interfere in any other country’s business, and the most powerful country would always win.

    “China does not need to have Taiwan “

    Irrelevant, and can not be decided by a foreigner halfway around the world who doesn’t understand Chinese nor Taiwanese.

    ” If Puerto Rico or Hawaii decided to secede I would support any country”

    Word is cheap. Let’s start with your country first before you talk about others. And why stop at two offshore islands. Would you support California secede? What about NY Chinatown?

    “the rest of non-sense”

    Irrelevant.

  81. Most of the talk on this site is nonsense.

    This is the narrative which led to China,

    Rich powerful men and women gay and straight wanted to thumb their nose at god and morality.

    Their sexual decadence led to a weakening of relationships, rising crime and abortion.

    A falling birthrate led to mass immigration.

    A huge welfare state was needed for all the single women, damaged kids and immigrants.

    The expense sent the market into free fall in 87.

    The cure was lower interest rates, cost of everything goes up, lower again, cost and assets rise, lower again, etc,etc.

    Soon the West is too costly to do business in.

    The cure, China.

    The West will never recover until it becomes religious and moral again and puts all the crazy decadents and baby killers back where they belong.

  82. The left and the libertarian right and all the identity politics crowd will never resist China, they will continue to turn a blind eye to the evils of the communist state.

    Why, because their own freedom to thumb their nose at god, family and morality is the most important thing to them.

    They will persist until China is at the door ready to devour them.

    The irony is, as Michael e Jones has suggested they have enslaved themselves with their own lust and desire, and it is likely to lead to actual enslavement by the Chinese some way further down the track.

  83. Global hegemony may not be the goal but it is the prize that can be won from the pursuance of national interests. But the process contains many dangers. As Pat Buchanan concludes:
    “Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves.”

  84. Rurik says:

    How did we allow ourselves to get into this position where a lately backward China is suddenly a greater rival for global hegemony than was the Soviet Union of Josef Stalin and Nikita Khrushchev?

    Well that’s easy enough Pat..

    remember these guys?

    One was a commie mass-murderer and the other was a craven, treasonous rat.

    So when the treasonous rat wasn’t fighting Israel’s Yom Kippur wars for it, and bringing on Arab Oil Embargoes, he was ending the gold standard and betraying America over to a blood-stained commie in order to open up market$ for the greed-consumed soulless scoundrels of the GOP and their greed-consumed, soulless donors.

    Duh.

    That, for the record, is ‘how “we” allowed “ourselves” to get into this position’.

    (And you ought to know Pat, you were there ; )

  85. haha says:

    In sheer idiocy, two-faced lying, disregard for facts, and a fanatic’s belief in American exceptionalism, Buchanan’s article can find no peer.

    “Xi Jinping’s China suddenly appears eager for a showdown with the United States for long-term supremacy in the Asia-Pacific and the world.” Really? And what exactly has China done? It hasn’t sent its navy cruising up and down California’s coastline. It hasn’t started building missile launch sites surrounding the US. It hasn’t announced a pivot to American pacific. The equivalent have all been done by the US, which of course Buchanan doesn’t see.

    “As for protests of the suppression of Tibetans and incarceration in concentration camps of Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs, Beijing brushes them off.” Sure. Maybe Buchanan has been given a tourist’s guided tour to these imaginary concentration camps. Wonder how he made it back intact. To make him happy, why don’t these goddamned commies simply hand over Uighur and Kazakh lands to the Taliban or some such outfit. The Americans will then get a chance to send to go in there to spread freedom and democracy.

    Quoting with approval the great intellectual luminary Mike Pompeo, Buchanan, not to be outdone in intellect by the likes of Pompeo, then endorses Pompeo’s puzzlement “China’s been ruled by a brutal, authoritarian regime, a communist regime since 1949. For several decades, we thought the regime would become more like us through trade, scientific exchanges, diplomatic outreach … (but) that didn’t happen.” Yes, now why did that not happen? Why the heck didn’t these commies become more like us? Why did they have to grow their economy exponentially and provide essentials to their people? Why were they not happy to remain an Anglo-American outpost, enjoying freedom and democracy and some opium?

    The problem with simple-minded believers like Buchanan is that they will happily have the world blown up if they can’t have things their way. Regrettably, there is no shortage of such bigots and fools these days. Where have the Statesmen of yester years disappeared?

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
  86. Rich says:
    @Anti-White

    Do the Chicoms rule the entire Korean peninsula? Is there a communist puppet sitting in Seoul? The North Koreans attempted to conquer the South, they have nothing to show for it and the US has a forward base right next to China.

    As to your linking China to Vietnam, perhaps you should revisit that conflict and find out the name of the communist country that was supplying and supporting the Vietnamese communists. I’ll give you a hint, it started with Soviet and ended with Union and it was at a time when Mao wasn’t very happy with his Pale Marxist neighbor to the North.

    • Replies: @Anti-White
  87. Rurik says:

    Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves.

    ‘We’ need a line of demarcation here.

    For me it was Affirmative Action.

    When Pat’s generation (of unprincipled, self-serving scum), decided to push working class white men under the racial spoils bus, and declared that we were not entitled to the Constitutional protections- that all others were not only entitled to, but were from then on first-class citizens, to us, the officially disenfranchised second-class citizens. That moment meant that the covenant was broken, and that all self-respecting white American men would hence forth be ‘men without a country’.

    OK, fine. It is, what it is. Fuck you too.

    So when Pat talks about “we” this and “our’ that, he’s talking about an America that I’ve been officially ‘persona non grata’ my entire adult life. Recently I was in jury duty, and they barked stand up and pledge allegiance to the flag. I stood up, but I’ll be damned if I were ever to pledge allegiance to what that rag now ((stands)) for.

    Your generation is responsible for China’s ascendancy, Pat. And for our slavish fealty to zion. Own it. You did that, not us.

    Asking us to pretend like we’re part of your America, is like telling the Palestinians they should salute the star of david flag.

    So when you write, ‘we or ‘us, please do try to understand that you’re talking about your generation, (your America) and all the things you guys (‘amnesty-Reagan, et al) did to create the kind of place this festering shithole is today.

    And guys like me, (America’s officially disenfranchised, designated racial fall guys) feel as much affinity for ‘America’, as I do China. Perhaps I’m even more sympathetic to China. At least the Chinese don’t toss their own under the racial spoils bus, so that their political elites can slurp even more out of the zio-slop trough.

    The day the Chinese send young Chinese men and women to kill and die in wars for zion, is the day I’ll contemn China for it’s rotten soul. Until then, I have ten times more respect for the Chinese, than I ever could for the ugly, putrescent ZUS of A.

    Rurik ~ a man without a country- from a generation of white men with their middle fingers exuberantly extended to Pat’s America. You built it (broke it), you own it.

  88. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    I say we welcome the national Security laws. I will gladly give up all my political freedom so the rioters, the faggots and people with a 2 digit IQ won’t have any. I am sure most White Americans will agree…

    I still have a great affection for the America of the founders. (My America ; ) [RIP]

    The Bill of Rights were the apex of human evolution.

    So no, giving up freedoms for security is anathema to my nature (as a man of the dying Western world).

    As to the greater question of Chinese ascendancy and possible hegemony, this was the work, as I said, of treasonous and greedy Americans. Even worse, anti-white scum like the Clintons’ and Obamas- who were so desperate to destroy (white) America, that they were willing even to betray America’s prosperity to the Chinese, if that’s what it took, to finally, at long last, kill whitey.

    Corporate (soulless by definition) America and the venal GOP were all too willing and eager to accommodate.

    So they wake one one day and see what they’ve wrought, and their masters in Tel Aviv, say maybe an ascendant China isn’t ‘good for the Jews’, and so that is why we’re seeing all this angst and hand-wringing over ‘China’.

    America, (and by extension, Europe and Australia, et al) are all Israel’s bitch.

    Duh.

    But maybe China wouldn’t be so accommodating- (slavishly servile)

    So, if (((Trump’s and Rupert Murdoch’s)) America, are suddenly alarmed at Chinese muscle, it can only mean that such is not good for the long-term aspirations of zion.

    There. I just explained all the hysteria over the Chinese Cornhole Virus and Pat’s blubbering about “we” this and “our” that.

    Let the Asians sort out their differences. It’s none of “our” business.

    Even ‘born and bred HKers’ are begging for China to dominate them in absolute terms. So who are “we” to tell them ‘no’?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Erzberger
  89. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    by withholding funding to the WHO.

    Occasionally the Trump regime does something right.

    I don’t know if it’s like a broken clock, or a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut. But surely one or both of those analogies apply.

    The WHO (like the CDC, [and IMF and UN and all those other organs of globalist elite scum]), is corrupt. To the core. If someone from the WHO said something that wasn’t agenda-driven palaver put out by their master$, they’d choke on their words, and die on the spot.

  90. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @frankie p

    The whole world is also waking up to the fact that the Chinese people are satisfied with their government, the enormous economic prosperity they have experienced over the past decades, and the direction that their country is moving in.

    Which must explain why Chinese are leaving China like a leaky cauldron. The West from North America to Oceania to the EU is drowning in Chinese, as “tourists”, “students”, “investors”…who never left.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  91. @Elmer T. Jones

    You still love their merchandize, RIGHT??
    You can’t afford the same products made in your country. Because your manufacturers went to China for cheap labor. Do want to make 10 Dollars a day???

  92. bluedog says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ah we were having a nice conversation until the evil wind blew in with his commie bullshit,commie on the brain should be his new handle,the fella was right when he said his parents should of hit him in the head and shipped the milk.!!!!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  93. bluedog says:
    @follyofwar

    Hell neocons come dressed in many robes of different colors didn’t you know that,Pats as much of an imperialist as old Churchill was( anything that benefits what are now the 1%) and in reality that just what the neocons are imperialist.!!!!

  94. @Rich

    You White Americans are a special breed of stupid, you should tell your women that what you put in a baby bottle is called powder milk and not cocaine, so an ignoramus like you don’t come on the internet years later just to make themselves look ridiculous. China HAD your collective Yankee asses during the Korean War, period, and the only reason they didn’t complete annihilate your “boys” was that China was still devastated by the Japanese occupation and as such had a 10th rate army that was supplied by an almost inexistent industry (See Battle of the Ch’ongch’on River). The Chinese basically gave your white boys many warnings to not get too close to the Sino-Korean border, but as usual the white animals didn’t give a rat’s ass, so Mao Zedong ordered a surprise attack that resulted in the longest retreat in US military history. In the 60’s, your “boys”, including some politicians, were fully aware that the only way to defeat the Communist forces in Vietnam would be by launching an invasion of North Vietnam, something they never did out of fear that China would once again intervene and give you another lovely ass whooping (and with some luck, a nuclear war). Only your coke noses in Washington and Wall Street can come with the absurd idea that today’s China, an industrial colossus, will be intimidated by their threats, but to be frank as long as America keeps losing ground it’s fine by me, they can bark as much as they want.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Malla
  95. The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property

    Yes, probably. I keep reading this, though strangely, I have never heard what it was they stole. It is a bit hypocritical of the biggest thief in history to complain so about another country stealing from it.

    coerced technology transfers from our businesses

    What sort of “coercion”was this? Did they kidnap therm and tie them up and waterboard them? No, as I understand it they tortured them with the thought that someone else might get to the gigantic Chinese market before they did. The Chinese said “OK you have production techniques we want and we have a market that you want access to, you share your techniques with us and we will share our market with you. Deal?” and the US companies were glad to agree to a deal. This is not “coercion” in any sense that I understand!

    and sent spies posing as students into our universities to thieve our secrets.

    My father was a university teacher and researcher in Physics. His view was that the proper job of a university was to find out how the universe worked and to spread the knowledge it found around the world. While he had nothing against researchers commercializing their discoveries, I don’t think he ever thought of what he taught his students as secret, even when it was bang up-to-date. Secret research is the job of private laboratories, not of universities.

  96. Rurik says:

    The Chinese have stolen our intellectual property

    Yes, probably. I keep reading this, though strangely, I have never heard what it was they stole.

    they didn’t have to steal it.

    https://capitalresearch.org/article/flashback-bill-clinton-gave-china-missile-technology/

  97. frankie p says:
    @Anon

    Sorry, I am taking a minute to control my urge to call you names like “idiot”, “moron” and “bullsh**er”. There. I’ve controlled my urge to be disrespectful. Now I can enlighten you on the facts, but if you had the desire to find this information, it would be easy to do so.

    Check into how many Chinese are leaving China. “Leaky cauldron” my ass! In 2018, over 150 million overseas trips were taken by Chinese. This figure is growing every year. This represents nearly one-half of the entire US population. Guess how many went home after their trips? Over 150 million. The days of Chinese asking for political asylum are looooooooooong over. They are more interested in prospering in their own nations. Chinese graduates from American universities are the same story. Sure, some of them spend a few post-post-graduate years gaining some experience in the US, building a resume. The statistics show that nearly all of them go home to find high-paying jobs and take care of their aging parents. Like so many other posters here on Unz, you live in the previous world of the 20th Century; the world has been changing while you and America have been sleeping.

  98. @bluedog

    Well, it’s just annoying. Mr. Buchanan’s post was not about the Commie bullshit that you guys have a majority of the unz site to write topical comments about. Why don’t you all get a room? (In Soviet America, comrades must share one big bed too, in solidarity with the Mother(fucker)land.)

    • Replies: @bluedog
  99. @haha

    Pat has said that the Ayatollah’s moniker for the USA, “The Great Satan” is not wholly undeserved.

    I’m sure Pat is opposed to the global ascendancy of the Chinese Communist Party. This would not make him an American jingo. Everything he says is in the context of his DC audience. Don’t be too sensitive.

  100. Rich says:
    @Anti-White

    So it wasn’t just ignorance, it was jealousy. Did your beautiful Asian wife leave you for a handsome Caucasian? Were you humiliated in the showers after gym class? Or is it just that old fashioned green eyed monster that makes you wish you were White, makes you want to be from the race of the world’s greatest warriors, greatest inventors, greatest writers, musicians artists? You guys do make pretty women, though, take pride in that. We’ll enjoy relaxing in all the bases we have around your country and occasionally taking a boat trip in our South China Sea. It was nice of us to leave your country’s name on it, wasn’t it?

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Anti-White
  101. antibeast says:
    @Rich

    So it wasn’t just ignorance, it was jealousy. Did your beautiful Asian wife leave you for a handsome Caucasian? Were you humiliated in the showers after gym class? Or is it just that old fashioned green eyed monster that makes you wish you were White, makes you want to be from the race of the world’s greatest warriors, greatest inventors, greatest writers, musicians artists? You guys do make pretty women, though, take pride in that. We’ll enjoy relaxing in all the bases we have around your country and occasionally taking a boat trip in our South China Sea. It was nice of us to leave your country’s name on it, wasn’t it?

    Anti-White isn’t Chinese.

  102. @Rich

    Bases? The Chinese already have the most important of all which is a very advanced country that they can rightfully call theirs, where they make all the rules, where everything works properly, where they go wherever they want without fear of crime and the very few foreigners of whatever type who happen to live there are always saying “Yes, sir” to them and nothing else. You White American homosexuals have none of these. What you have is just a big mouth to curse non-whites while you watch them takeover your filthy “country” without firing a shot, see Minneapolis right now. This is the advantage of white people, once they set their stupid minds for their own defeat, nobody can change it. Enjoy.

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @antibeast
  103. antibeast says:
    @Anti-White

    What you have is just a big mouth to curse non-whites while you watch them takeover your filthy “country” without firing a shot, see Minneapolis right now.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Chinaman
  104. KlcTan says:
    @Chinaman

    Agree with you totally.

  105. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Shouldn’t be the US Congress passing laws right now to sanction other countries for the US mistreatment of its minorities?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  106. antibeast says:
    @Anon

    Shouldn’t the US Congress be passing laws right now to sanction other countries for the US mistreatment of its minorities?

    The US Congress did pass the “HK Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019” to sanction Chinese officials for alleged mistreatment of HK rioters. So I suppose the US Congress could pass the “USA Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2020” to sanction Trump Administration officials for alleged mistreatment of US rioters and for allegedly suppressing the freedom of US social media companies.

    • Replies: @Anon
  107. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    China needs to sanction America for police brutality and the oppression of minorities!

    Pat was right. These protestors are not rioting or looting..they are fighting for freedom and justice!

    I stand with Minnesota and the freedom loving Burn, baby BURN!!!

    We demand an end to this brutal regime in America because it kills its own people.

    The Chinese PLA stand ready to liberate America and defend those who are defenseless.

    We, the Chinese people, stand with Minnesota. BURN BABY BURN!!!

    p.s. I didn’t know Schadenfreuden can be so sweet.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Derek Jeter
  108. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    So no, giving up freedoms for security is anathema to my nature (as a man of the dying Western world)

    Spoken like a feral animal…

    The bill of rights is a very old piece of paper. You mourn the decline of America so you must know those fancy declarations don’t mean much these days. Liberalism will never work in America because there are blacks and brown people (like me) who don’t believe in those empty words. Pretty sure your founders would be rolling in their graves if they know blacks can vote now. You must know that the founders hated democracy and only 6% of the population can vote when the declaration of independence was written.

    In practice, the amount of freedom you have is determined by your fellow citizen. Everyone loves freedom but few deserve it because they lack responsibility and discipline. If you live with feral animals that abuses their freedom, then you will have none. Look at Minnesota. I dare you to walk down the Bronx at night and exercise your freedom of speech by calling out a bunch of big niggers for what they are. Fro comparison, I can walk anywhere in the middle of the night in HK.

    You have a piece of paper that say you can walk whatever you want but you know you can’t but I don’t need a piece of paper to tell me I can. I can do it. Who is more free?

    Let’s keep it real around here, ok?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Derek Jeter
  109. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    An Australian private tutor, who pleaded guilty to a count of criminal damage, has been fined HK$2,000 by the Eastern Magistrates’ Courts today.

    Rebecca Louise Nunan, 32, was accused of defacing district council election candidate Iris Cheung Ka-yan’s four banners outside the Hollywood Building in Central on November 4. She was also ordered to compensate Cheung HK$240.

    Rebecca Louise Nunan, an Australian-HK illustrator has been sentenced to 3 months for hurling bricks at police.

    I guess it is perfectly ok to intimidate political candidates or hurling bricks at police In the eyes of the Congress, as long as it is in HK. Human rights and freedom, you know.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  110. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    No need for China to care about the USA. If that’s the future of the USA, then the USA has no future.

  111. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    Spoken like a feral animal…

    the lady doth protest!

    I can walk anywhere in the middle of the night in HK.

    I noticed the same thing when I was in Cuba a few years ago.

    You could go down an ally at night with young and poor Cuban men standing around, but there was virtually no fear of being mugged. The commies knew how to instill fear in their subjects, and yes, I confess that from my point of view at the time, I was glad of it.

    Yes, the Bill of Rights was written by and for white people. Something you’re not, and are simply not imbued with the spirit of. Your kind, like the (actual) feral animal burning cities as I write this, are not suited to self-rule. You have to evolve a bit more, before you can live with the kind of freedom that also requires accountability and responsibility for your choices.

    But don’t lose hope, in a few thousands of years maybe, with a little coaxing from the West, I suspect that Asians just might be the next demographic to walk in the glimmering light of a Renaissance of the soul.

    So at least you have something to aspire to..

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  112. bluedog says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No but your reply was, for upstairs it seems the commies have their own special little room.where they dwell with all the rest of the devils that live in your delusions that you spout out on a daily basis,all over the web,well except for Moon of Alabama where they run you thru a meat grind and run your ass out.!!!!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  113. @bluedog

    I’ve looked at that site only once. Who do you mean by “you” with “running you through a meat grinder”?

    • LOL: bluedog
  114. Meena says:
    @Chinaman

    “President Trump called the protesters “thugs” and threatened intervention. “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted — echoing a police chief notorious for aggressive measures. Twitter said the post violated standards about “glorifying violence.” BLOOMBERG

    How is China helping Minnesota freedom fighter ? Decades of thuggish practices of the fossilized system based on entitlement ,racism, certain impunity and confirmed immunity have eventually coming unglued and unhinged .

    Not this Humpty Dumpty will see the horse again.

  115. antibeast says:
    @Anon

    guess it is perfectly ok to intimidate political candidates or hurling bricks at police In the eyes of the Congress, as long as it is in HK. Human rights and freedom, you know.

    All those CIA-funded fifth-columnists will be kicked out as soon as China passes the HK National Security Law.

  116. Erzberger says:
    @Rurik

    “The Bill of Rights were the apex of human evolution.”

    the founders struck down the Whiskey rebellion, and a few others, pretty fast.

    Rights and laws are not self-executing. The US has always had a tendency to lawlessness, both domestically and internationally, including ignoring the laws they themselves invented. It’s doublethink on steroids, cognitive dissonance for those who are not completely brainwashed by America’s alleged greatness, past or present, and therefore feel increasingly uncomfortable.

    The Sermon on the Mount was the apex of human ethics yet no Christian nation ever lived by it either.

    Americanism is over. We need someone to enforce some reasonable laws, and that will be China. An ancient meritocracy that will crush the idiocracy America has become, and still wants to export across the globe

    Chinaman has a point

    • Replies: @Rurik
  117. Derek Jeter says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    Look at Minnesota. I dare you to walk down the Bronx at night and exercise your freedom of speech by calling out a bunch of big niggers for what they are. Fro comparison, I can walk anywhere in the middle of the night in HK.

    You truly are a despicable racist, fascist Chinese. I really am quite shocked. Did you forget what the Japanese did in Nanking? As I told you before, the Japanese give Chinese prisoners dog food. I would normally think it’s very racist to do that, but in your case, it would probably be well deserved.

    You specifically deserve to eat dog food, because you are a disgusting racist dog. And for all of the hate you spew towards the “West,” it’s obvious you probably studied there and earned a degree there, which allowed you to get a better job in HK. It was egalitarian, leftist politics and philosophy that allowed you to have the opportunities you had.

    I would’ve expected better from a Chinese person.

    I will remind you again of what Einstein said of Chinese (the link is provided in the title to my reply):

    The media has focused on several racist comments, including Einstein calling the Chinese an “industrious, filthy, obtuse people” and “often more like automatons than people.” He wrote that China is a “peculiar herd-like nation” and that “It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races. For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.” In contrast, he wrote that the Japanese were “pure souls” who are “unostentatious, decent, altogether very appealing.”

    .

    You go around talking shit about so many ethnic groups, and you make such a big deal of IQ – based on your previous posts, you thinks blacks are 3 standard deviations below the people of Zhejiang, right? And yet the above quote shows what Einstein thinks about you. All of the negative stereotypes towards Asians (cheating, lack of creativity, nepotism, bad hygiene, etc.) are directed towards Chinese people, not Japanese people and not even towards Asians in general. In your case, it’s well deserved.

    And yet here you are talking shit about blacks, just like you talked shit about Mongolians, Manchurians, and diaspora Chinese in your other posts.

    You are a disgrace to Chinese people. 滚!

  118. @Priss Factor

    Old trees will be blown over, rot and fall over or just get cut down for firewood. But some new trees do grow for their seeds. So not much is changing. However often forests will change from deciduous trees to evergreens. Hope for “Green for ever”!!
    China has been a feudal country for 5000 years. Lets hope what happened in 1990 in Eastern Europe will happen soon in China, about time. If feudal Europe changed to democratic systems so China can too.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  119. @Chinaman

    Your attempt at ironic humor is so cliched that it’s not even mildly amusing. Given what a racist douche you are, it’s not funny at all. Here is where you expressed your love for minorities in the most exquisitely poetic language available to you:

    Look at Minnesota. I dare you to walk down the Bronx at night and exercise your freedom of speech by calling out a bunch of big niggers for what they are. Fro comparison, I can walk anywhere in the middle of the night in HK.

    I don’t even think you are Chinese, let alone from HK.

    If you are from HK or Chinese, prove it. Send us your LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, or whatever. Send a link to your blog or personal website with your pictures and name. Embed a YouTube video where you introduce yourself.

    You talk tough online, using the N-word and talking trash about different races of people. Let’s see you do that in real life. Show your face.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  120. Rurik says:
    @Erzberger

    “The Bill of Rights were the apex of human evolution.”

    Rights and laws are not self-executing.

    It’s true, that Americans have not always honored the aspirational greatness of the Founders.

    Even now, moral abominations like Affirmative Action make a mockery of the Constitution and simple justice and decency, but that isn’t the Founder’s fault, that’s ‘our’ fault. ‘We’ve’ allowed our principles to rot on the vine, if ‘we’ ever had any. But even so, look at Europe’s Holocaust laws, and where we’d be without the First Amendment. Or, God help us, without the Second Amendment.

    The Second Amendment is the most sublime foundation of human freedom ever conceived and codified into law, by some of the greatest minds and souls ever to live.

    Americanism is over.

    Whatever ‘Americanism’ means today, ((Eternal Wars for zion, cultural and spiritual sewage))), I suppose it can’t be over soon enough. But there is another ‘Americanism’ (hardy independent-minded people who simply want to be left alone), that was (and still is in tiny hamlets all over the continent), something beautiful and ineffable.

    We need someone to enforce some reasonable laws, and that will be China.

    China if fine for the Chinese. But not for others. Westerners do not want to live under the kind of rote, lockstep conformity that the Chinese seem to favor. Let the Chinese do as the Chinese please, but please don’t try to become like the (((ZUSA))), and impose just another vision of ((exceptionalism)) on others.

    What needs to happen, is for China and Russia, the American people, and others, to rein in the ZUS, not for some other nation to take over as world hegemon.

    What the world craves is freedom from all would-be masters of any stripe, not just different master of another color.

  121. Chinaman says:
    @Derek Jeter

    Relax, dude

    I apologise if I offended your sensibilities.

    I learned N word from people like you, did I use it in the inappropriate context? I am sure my black friends won’t take as much offence as when you say it. I guess it is the usual white hypocrisy and virtue signalling BS where white people can call me a dog, a chink and other despicable things but I can’t say these things about others since it is racist.

    What’s great about Unz is that no one need to be pretentious around here. No need to be a prude. No one is judging you and no one give a damn what you think unless you have a point.

    Einstein’s observations in the 1900 were exactly those the ones I have about Mongolians and Manchu which corrupted Chinese culture.

  122. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    Yes, the Bill of Rights was written by and for white people. Something you’re not, and are simply not imbued with the spirit of.

    You do know that Chinese have 5000 years of civilisation and that everything on the the bill of rights have been stipulated, debated and then repudiated by Confucius and other Chinese philosophers 2000 years ago?

    Your kind, like the (actual) feral animal burning cities as I write this, are not suited to self-rule.

    My kind, the East Asians , when living amongst you and other feral animals in America, are more law-abiding, commit less crimes ( as our host, Ron Unz discovered), more educated and in general, of a higher social strata than your kind. If you don’t believe it, please read some of Unz’s research on the subject.

    You have to evolve a bit more, before you can live with the kind of freedom that also requires accountability and responsibility for your choices.

    If intelligence is what separate man from beast, then it is your kind that needs to evolve more since Asians have a higher average IQ. You are correct to point out that people that are less evolved ( a low IQ ) do not deserve their freedom since they lack discipline. This was what I originally said. I am glad you finally coming round to my argument.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  123. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    are not suited to self-rule.

    Why don’t we use this pandemic as a litmus test for the ability of different races for self- rule? Nothing like empirical facts to settle an argument.

    I live in HK which shares a border with China. As you can imagine, we were overwhelmed with cases initially but everyone in HK was disciplined enough to wear masks and practice social distancing without any form of government coercion. We did simply out of basic courtesy and respect for others. We didn’t even have to go into lockdown!!!

    As of today, we have the lowest per capita rates of infection in the world…only 1000 cases our of 10 million people.

    The sporadic cases that we experience now are all from expats …white people…who refuse to wear masks and continue to party like feral animals.

    I don’t need to tell you how many cases the US have but whatever number there is, it is an order of magnitude higher because of the lack of testing. I believe there will be another million cases this week since they are congregating and rioting.

    The facts are incontrovertible. The pandemic handling in the US was a unmitigated disaster and you should pose the question of self-rule to your fellow Americans and to yourself. Did you wear a mask as a common courtesy to your people ? Are you sure Americans are fit for self-rule? A bit for introspection in these matters might help.

  124. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    everything on the the bill of rights have been stipulated, debated and then repudiated by Confucius and other Chinese philosophers 2000 years ago?

    you’re making my point for me..

    more educated and in general, of a higher social strata than your kind.

    you sound like a white racist talking down to a ‘nigger’

    You are correct to point out that people that are less evolved ( a low IQ ) do not deserve their freedom since they lack discipline. This was what I originally said. I am glad you finally coming round to my argument.

    no, you’re actually making my point for me.

    If, after all those thousands of years of ‘evolving’, all the Chinese have managed to ‘figure out’, is that Marx and Mao were right, and living under the iron rule of an autocratic system is what the Chinese (with their high IQs) are suited to, because apparently, by your definition, they don’t deserve freedom.

  125. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    Are you sure Americans are fit for self-rule?

    it depends on what you call ‘Americans’

    if you’re talking about the sub-humans burning and looting, then no

    If you’re talking about the humans, who’re law-abiding and thoughtful and courteous and productive and pleasant, then of course they are. They invented it (self-rule ; )

    If America treated its troublesome minorities they way China treats its Muslims, then we would have a lot less problems, but then, there is also that ‘human rights’ thingy.

    If you’re going to cast stones, get out of your glass house.

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  126. @Chinaman

    As of today, we have the lowest per capita rates of infection in the world…only 1000 cases our of 10 million people.

    Well I’m impressed – and all with no mandatory lockdown, too.

    FWIW Australia’s reported Corona Chan infection rates are about 3 times worse than that, and that’s with compulsory social distancing and isolation measures.

    Pity the Australian culture generally hasn’t adopted the practice of wearing face masks as a social courtesy during bug fests. That might have gotten a better result.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  127. @Chinaman

    white people can call me a dog, a chink and other despicable things but I can’t say these things about others since it is racist.

    Sure you can – but you’ve got to really mean it.

    We have an aerosol product sold in the supermarkets here to help get lawn mowers running on cold winter mornings. It’s called “Start, ya bastard!”.

    I do believe many Chinese and possibly black Americans would take offense at being addressed as “boys”, yet it’s a generally accepted colloqial term of comradery in Australia.

    Not so sure about “dogs”, though, unless one was attempting to be so extreme as to be farcical.

    Words have meaning, and they also have context.

    But despite the worst intentions of an adversary, racist slurs they can’t break bones in an electronic medium. They give a little insight into the insecurities of the originator, IMO.

  128. @swamped

    Australia was a vocal backer of the resolution & Beijing shortly afterward suspended beef imports from Australia and threatened to impose heavy duties on barley imports.

    Sorry, dude, you’re way off on this one.

    Yes, Australia was very vocal with its megaphone diplomacy, but it was not promoting the EU resolution adopted by the WHO, Australia was calling specifically for an “independent” investigation of China’s role in causing the global Corona Chan pandemic, pretty much as a foregone conclusion. Of course, “independent” meaning something shoved down China’s throat by the 5 Eyes in the same way as the Iraq WMD “investigation” was shoved down the UN’s throat.

    I genuinely cringed when Australia’s foreign minister appeared on TV spouting fire and brimstone calling for this “independent” investigation of China. Why oh why in the world, when Australia was struggling like every other country (including China) to get Corona Chan under control, would we run up behind the Chinese dragon and kick it in the nuts FOR NO REASON other than to support Donald Trump’s attempts to shift the blame for the US Corona Chan disaster onto China?

    IMO Australia scored a mighty big “own goal” with this appalling nonsense. Australia treated China, it’s largest trading partner, with utter disrespect, and completely against any demonstrable justifiable grounds and contrary to Australian national interests, for no better purpose than to be a faithful stooge to the current US administration.

    As for the Chinese response to this Australian insult, China suspended imports from just four Australian abattoirs based on labeling inconsistencies, and introduced an 80% tariff on Australian barley following a previous 18 months of negotiations on allegations of dumping. China has plausible deniability in both cases as they are the culmination of prior machinations, but the timing leaves little doubt about the trigger for these measures.

    The fact that Australia went along with the resolution adopted by the WHO for a GENUINELY impartial investigation into the Corona Chan pandemic, in no way exonerates the idiotic Australian government for needlessly picking a fight with China like an American poodle, with the resultant massive damage to Australian farmers & exporters, at a time when we desperately need all the economic cooperation we can get.

    • Agree: d dan
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  129. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    2 comments ago, you were lauding the bill of rights as the pinnacle of civilisation and now you think human rights are an obstacle that prevents you from enslaving them or one of the good old genocides that white people do everywhere they spread.

    Make up your mind. Do you want to the facade of civilisation or do you want some genocide? Can’t have your cake and eat it.

    I guess there is a 3rd option which is that the bill of right is not applicable to subhumans, whether they are in America or in HK and some people simply don’t deserve their freedoms. I guess that was how slavery came about.

    I am glad we are in agreement on some matters after all the usual melodramatic sanctimony and theatric so typical of these discussions.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  130. Chinaman says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I have been following this farce and the most crazy part is that Australia shut down its borders to China very early on but did not do so for the rest of the world and by the PM’s own admission, most of the cases came from America and none from China!

    Why would Australia call for an independent investigation of China or even call for compensation when all its cases came from America?? Shouldn’t they ask America for compensation ?

    it is not only stupid, it is malicious and ultimately self defeating.

    In an all out hot war between US, Russia and China. Australia don’t want to be Poland in WW2. You have the raw materials that China needs, your military is non existence and there are no friends that is going to help you. The Chinese remembers and I guarantee Dragon poking have its consequences. At some point, we will do upon you what you did to the aboriginals.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  131. Chinaman says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Pity the Australian culture

    Taking a queue from Gandhi, Australian culture “would be a good thing.”

    This is from a Chinaman who have lived in Melbourne for several years.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  132. @Chinaman

    Australia shut down its borders to China very early on but did not do so for the rest of the world and by the PM’s own admission, most of the cases came from America and none from China!

    You are quite right on this. The problem we have in Australia is that we have been thoroughly colonized by the Americans, and pretty much all the governmental institutions have been infected. This is evidently a self-sustaining situation – nobody rises up through the party ranks unless they tow the party line and pledge allegiance to the USA.

    Several decades ago, Prime Minister Gough Whitlam attempted to assert Australia’s independence by decoupling Australia’s foreign policy from the USA and engaging directly with China, but the CIA then organised the overthrow of his government. Gough was fortunate that they found a way to get rid of him “legal like”, otherwise they most probably would have assassinated him.

    In an all out hot war between US, Russia and China. Australia don’t want to be Poland in WW2.

    Damn right – and we don’t want to be Poland in WW3 either. Probably the only advantage Australia (& NZ) have in that case is that there are way too many more important targets north of the equator to drop bombs & missiles on, than to waste them on Australia (& NZ).

    At some point, we will do upon you what you did to the aboriginals.

    The colloquial term used now for Australian Aborigines is “Koori”. That’s the native label that the Kooris themselves prefer.

    While I don’t want to diminish the gravity of the British colonization on the Kooris, IMO the real crime against them is the creation of a “victim industry” with all its institutions, government grants & professional enablers, which requires a sustained population of disadvantaged welfare recipients to keep the gravy train rolling.

    By Australian law, racially one has only to be 1/16th Koori to be legally recognised as Koori. Couple this with a government-promoted entitlement mentality, and what we have now is a welfare trap which captures generation after generation of Kooris in an inescapable underclass. The government’s welfare response to the underpriveleged status of many Kooris, paradoxically perpetuates the problem.

    While I hope it’s not the intention, I can’t think of a better way to benignly extinguish a native culture and all its accumulated knowledge – and that is a huge loss not just to the Kooris, but to Australia at large.

    Just to be clear, I have many close Koori relatives, and of them, about 2/3rds of them have become very well educated and have prosperous careers. The remaining 1/3rd have been seduced by the “victim culture” and have descended into the welfare trap – no jobs, drugs, victim mentality, etc etc.

    So when you decide to do upon us what we did to the Kooris, please be gentle – there’s still more Kooris here than you might think.

  133. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    2 comments ago, you were lauding the bill of rights as the pinnacle of civilisation and now you think human rights are an obstacle that prevents you from enslaving them or one of the good old genocides that white people do everywhere they spread.

    who said anything about enslaving or genociding anyone?!

    are you some kind of asshole who puts words in people’s mouths when you’re losing an argument (badly ; ) ?

    Yes, I laud the Bill of Rights as the pinnacle of human civilization. But it’s a Western pinnacle, and with luck, others will catch up.

    Does that mean I’m advocating the genocide of all non-Westerners? In your fevered and hallucinating mind, I guess so.

    In fact I’m wishing the rest of the people on the planet, the best hopes for achieving the kind of enlightenment and freedom that redounds to happiness.

    Is wishing other’s happiness = wanting to enslave them? I guess so, in a ‘Chinaman’s’ mind.

    good old genocides that white people do everywhere they spread.

    Well, it’s true there are no more Neanderthals around, but I don’t see too many genocides in the West today, do you?

    What about those Uyghurs Chinaman?

    What’s going on here..

    How do you say Sieg Hiel in Chinese?

    Make up your mind. Do you want to the facade of civilisation or do you want some genocide? Can’t have your cake and eat it.

    So it’s either an iron autocratic boot on everyone’s neck, or genocide?

    I like Switzerland or Iceland or Uruguay as possible places to emigrate to. Are they facades of civilization, or genocide?

    I can’t tell which one.

    some people simply don’t deserve their freedoms.

    Yes, that’s right. If they’re using this crisis to burn buildings and steal televisions, then they’re the kind of sub-human that demonstratively do not deserve freedom.

    Are you simply too obtuse to comprehend that simple concept, or are you just being hostile (an asshole ; ) for the sake of it?

    I am glad we are in agreement on some matters after all the usual melodramatic sanctimony and theatric so typical of these discussions.

    Hmm..

    What I will say, is that in spite of your hostility and rudeness, I still am a fan of the Chinese.

    And I wish them well, insofar as their interests don’t conflict with ours.

  134. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    Taking a queue from Gandhi, Australian culture “would be a good thing.”

    This is from a Chinaman who have lived in Melbourne for several years.

    they sure were lucky to have someone like you as a guest in their country, huh?

    If you’re the typical ‘Chinaman’, I’d toss the rest of them out, pronto.

    Maybe Trump is right about you lot after all..

    • Troll: Ghan-buri-Ghan
  135. @Rurik

    Well, it’s true there are no more Neanderthals around, but I don’t see too many genocides in the West today, do you?

    I believe the current consensus is that the Neanderthals were assimilated and bred out of distinction by randy Homo Sapiens (or maybe it was the other way around) in Europe. Possibly why Italians are so hairy (the men, too).

    Meanwhile, I get the impression that @Chinaman means well, but often takes whatever history he has been taught very personally – without necessarily grasping the potential for umbrage. Is that something to expect from a Hong Kong-ian, or maybe a particular province of mainland China? Or maybe it’s just an under-developed empathy gland. Who knows…

    • Replies: @Rurik
  136. Rurik says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    (the men, too).

    funny

    @Chinaman means well

    perhaps, but his tropes about whitey genociding and enslaving everyone is rather tiresome (obnoxious ; ).

    I didn’t enslave or genocide anyone, and so any shithead who feels like he can ‘guilt’ me for something done a hundred years ago, can of course fuck off. Especially if he’s trying to act as an apologist for a regime that is today perpetrating human rights violations.

    There are quite a few Aussies here, and it’s a pleasure to get their (your) perspectives on things.

    I confess I’d always wanted to move there, until I heard it too was zio-infested, and doomed to immigration and racial hatred and strife. ((Their)) calling cards.

    In any case, cheers mate.

  137. bluedog says:
    @Whitebloodcell

    Indeed one just like ours but who would want it,theirs works for them and that’s all that matters,what we think is nothing but hot air blowing up somebodies backside for I’m sure they could care less as to what WE think.!!!!

  138. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    Was watching the looting of the Grove @ Farifax and can’t help but feel a bit of cognitive dissonance after the conversation we had.

    It would make a great movie scene of you- a boomer white dude in a tricone hat – standing in front of the Apple store reading your bill of rights and lauding it as the “height of evolution” while the feral animals pass you with stolen iphones and macs and ignoring your existence.

    It would make a great sequel to my favorite movie- Idiocracy-

    You are the protagonist- the idiot- of course.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan
    • Replies: @Derek Jeter
  139. @Chinaman

    So you’re gonna presume my race now? On what basis? Who said I’m “white”? What sort of racial stereotypes lead you to that conclusion?

    I learned N word from people like you, did I use it in the inappropriate context?

    Nice try but I don’t use the N word and have never used it on this site, unlike you, who has shown no hesitation in using it quite freely. Let’s take a look at what you said:

    I dare you to walk down the Bronx at night and exercise your freedom of speech by calling out a bunch of big niggers for what they are. Fro comparison, I can walk anywhere in the middle of the night in HK.

    Wow, it sounds like you treat your “black friends” so kindly Chitler. What is most pathetic about your post is that you have to resort to a pathetic “I have black friends” defense despite all of your racist tough talk, which goes to show your sense of guilt over this issue. You’re not as “relaxed” as you would like to let on. I’ll be charitable in interpreting your post as a face-saving attempt at a begrudging apology.

    I am sure my black friends won’t take as much offence as when you say it. I guess it is the usual white hypocrisy and virtue signalling BS where white people can call me a dog, a chink and other despicable things but I can’t say these things about others since it is racist.

    So this is what you resort to when you are caught being a racist bigot? Just falsely accusing people of doing that which you have been caught doing? That’s not clever, Chitler. You’re just straight up lying. It’s not “virtue signaling” to call out “racist” jerks like you. You need to look up what “virtue signaling” is. And after bragging about how you can use the N word to cuss out black people in Hong Kong, now you wanna act like a victim who gets called racist words. No one has called you those names on this site, and I highly doubt you’ve even been called those words by white people in real life.

    What’s great about Unz is that no one need to be pretentious around here.

    There’s nothing great about Unz. But it’s obvious why racists like you enjoy it so much. And showing respect for people is not the same thing as “pretentious.”

    No need to be a prude.

    Not using the N word and other racial slurs to denigrate people is not the same as being a “prude.”

    No one is judging you and no one give a damn what you think unless you have a point.

    I am judging you here for being the racist insecure Chinese autist that you are. But it’s true that I don’t give a damn what you think, nor do black people.

    Einstein’s observations in the 1900 were exactly those the ones I have about Mongolians and Manchu which corrupted Chinese culture.

    No, Einstein said Chinese were a an “industrious, filthy, obtuse people” and that they were “often more like automatons than people.” He wrote that China is a “peculiar herd-like nation” and that “It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races. For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.” In contrast, he wrote that the Japanese were “pure souls” who are “unostentatious, decent, altogether very appealing.”

    You can blame this on Mongolians all you want but that’s just because you watch too much Netflix and have watched too much Marco Polo, which gives rise to the “Games of Thrones” hyperreality that you associate with Mongolians.

    Make no mistake: what Einstein said ABSOLUTELY WAS RACIST. In contrast to what Einstein said, look at what Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher, a contemporary of Einstein, said about China and the Chinese people during the same period of time (in New York World from May 4, 1924):

    I have to come to realize that the white race isn’t as important as I used to think it was. If Europe and America kill themselves off in war it will not necessarily mean the destruction of the human species, nor even an end to civilization. There will still be a considerable number of Chinese left; and in many ways China is the greatest country I have ever seen. It is not only the greatest numerically and the greatest culturally, but it seems to me the greatest intellectually. I know of no other civilization where there is such open-mindedness, such realism, such a willingness to face the facts as they are, instead of trying to distort them into a particular pattern

    What a difference from Einstein’s comments! Talk about night and day! You see, Chitler, how racism can distort the perceptions of even a person as intelligent as Einstein? You see the difference between racism and actual appreciation and love for humanity?

    Here is what Reginald Johnston, tutor to Puyi, said of Chinese people in his book from Peking to Mandalay:

    It is a mistake to regard the Chinese as an essentially prosaic race, caring only for material things and nothing at all for what we should call things of the spirit. If they have less power of artistic creation than the Japanese – and even that may be doubted – they are quite as sensitive as the people of any other race to the magic of beauty in either nature or art

    Here, Johnston acknowledges the existence of stereotypes of Chinese (including the one about Japanese being more creative), and REFUTES THEM, calling them bullshit. Johnston actually took the time to live with Chinese, learn and study their culture, and make friends with them. Einstein, despite his vaunted genius, couldn’t learn to see reality beyond silly stereotypes.

    Far from calling you “dog, a chink and other despicable things” as you allege, “white” people who have visited China throughout history have spoken very highly of the Chinese and expressed the utmost admiration for Chinese culture (unlike the racist Einstein). It’s sad that you are so committed to your pseudo-science about IQ, that you can’t even refute Einstein but instead respond to Einstein with more racism by blaming Mongolians for lowering the IQ of the Chinese people.

    I can actually quote more things written by people who visited China. You can read “Chinese Characteristics” by Arthur Henderson Smith. He also affirms Chinese people for being intellectually gifted and in no way less deserving of esteem than any European country.

    And yet these are supposed to be “racist white supremacists,” right? And Einstein is supposed to be the high IQ genius, right? But it’s up to you to believe what you want.

  140. @Chinaman

    You don’t get to arbitrarily exclude Mongolians and the other 56 minorities in China from the Chinese “average IQ,” and you don’t get to arbitrarily exclude Southeast Asians from equally arbitrary category of “Asian”(just so you can claim that the East Asian “IQ” is a certain number). Who made you arbiter of what it means to be “Asian”? There are many Japanese who would gladly exclude you from the category of “Asian,” so who are you to exclude Mongolians from that category. Presumably, based on what you’ve written, you would exclude Southeast Asians (like Cambodians, Thai, Filipinos, etc) because they would lower the average IQ of “Asians.”

    Instead of believing in this silly construct of the “Asian” race, which you define arbitrarily so that it maximizes the “average IQ” (which involves excluding the people you don’t like, presumably Southeast Asians, Mongolians, and other minorities in China), despite the fact that many, if not most Japanese, would like to exclude you from the category….instead of believing in this nonsense, how about just acknowledge that these racial categories are just BULLSHIT! They are made up to serve an agenda.

    你一定要重新学好马列主义.

  141. Malla says:
    @Anti-White

    u another lovely ass whooping

    The Koreans and Chinese did or did not give a ass whopping to YT Americans I do not know but they surely gave the blacks soldiers of the 24th infantry division of the U.S. Army, such a ass whooping that the black soldiers ran away screaming like schoolgirls. LOL.

  142. @Chinaman

    I’m so glad that the new security law is now implemented in Hong Kong! Also, it’s lovely to see the USA and its vassals take another nosedive at the UNHRC where 50+ countries are in support of China’s new law versus a paltry 27 (mainly western) countries who are against it. This reminds me of last year’s Xinjiang case, which was also a landslide victory for China, all over again. 😂

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