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On Jan. 1, 2002, the day that euro coins and banknotes entered into circulation, my column, “Say Goodbye to the Mother Continent,” contained this pessimistic prognosis:

“This European superstate will not endure, but break apart on the barrier reef of nationalism. For when the hard times come, patriots will recapture control of their national destinies from Brussels bureaucrats to whom no one will ever give loyalty or love.”

The column described what was already happening.

“Europe is dying. There is not a single nation in all of Europe with a birth rate sufficient to keep its population alive, except Muslim Albania. In 17 European nations, there are already more burials than births, more coffins than cradles.

“Between 2000 and 2050, Asia, Africa and Latin America will add 3 billion to 4 billion people — 30 to 40 new Mexicos! — as Europe loses the equal of the entire population of Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Germany.

“By 2050, the median age in Europe will be 50, nine years older than the oldest nation on earth today, Japan. One in 10 Europeans will be over 80. And who will take care of these scores of millions of elderly, before the Dutch doctors arrive at the nursing home?

“Immigrants is the answer, immigrants already pouring into Europe in the hundreds of thousands annually from the Middle East and Africa, changing the character of the Old Continent. Just as Europe once invaded and colonized Asia, Africa and the Near East, the once-subject peoples are coming to colonize the mother countries. And as the Christian churches of Europe empty out, the mosques are going up.

“Yet, even as great nations like France, Germany, Italy and Spain grow weary of the strain of staying independent, sovereign and free, the sub-nations within are struggling to be born again. In Scotland, Wales, Ulster, Corsica, the Basque country and northern Italy are secessionist movements not unlike those that broke up Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union into[24] independent nations.”

What was predicted, 14 years ago, has come to pass.

Migrants into Germany from the Middle and Near East reached 1 million in 2015. EU bribes to the Turks to keep Muslim migrants from crossing over to the Greek islands, thence into the Balkans and Central Europe, are unlikely to stop the flood.

My prediction that European “patriots will recapture control of their national destinies,” looks even more probable today.

Prime Minister David Cameron, who almost lost a referendum on Scottish secession, is demanding a return of British sovereignty from the EU sufficient to satisfy his countrymen, who have been promised a vote on whether to abandon the European Union altogether.

Marine Le Pen’s anti-EU National Front ran first in the first round of the 2015 French elections. Many Europeans believe she will make it into the final round of the next presidential election in 2017.

Anti-immigrant, right-wing parties are making strides all across Europe, as the EU is bedeviled by a host of crises.

Europe’s open borders that facilitate free trade also assure freedom of travel to homegrown terrorists.

Mass migration into the EU is causing member nations to put up checkpoints and close borders. The Schengen Agreement on the free movement of goods and people is being ignored or openly violated.

The economic and cultural clash between a rich northern Europe and a less affluent south — Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal — manifest in the bad blood between Athens and Berlin, endures.

Northern Europeans grow weary of repeated bailouts of a south that chafes at constant northern demands for greater austerity.

ORDER IT NOW

Then there is the surge of sub-nationalism, as in Scotland, Catalonia, Flanders, and Veneto, where peoples seek to disconnect from distant capitals that no longer speak for them, and reconnect with languages, traditions and cultures that give more meaning to their lives than the economics-uber-alles ideology of Frau Angela Merkel.

Moreover, the migrants entering Europe, predominantly Islamic and Third World, are not assimilating as did the European and largely Christian immigrants to America of a century ago.

The enclaves of Asians in Britain, Africans and Arabs around Paris, and Turks in and around Berlin seem to be British, French and German in name only. And some of their children are now heeding the call to jihad against the Crusaders invading Muslim lands.

The movement toward deeper European integration appears to have halted, and gone into reverse, as the EU seems to be unraveling along ideological, national, tribal and historic lines.

If these trends continue, and they seem to have accelerated in 2015, the idea of a United States of Europe dies, and with it the EU.

And this raises a question about the most successful economic and political union in history — the USA.

How does an increasingly multiracial, multiethnic, multilingual, multicultural United States avoid the fate to which Europe appears to be headed, when there is no identifiable racial or ethnic majority here in 2042?

Are our own political and racial divisions disappearing, or do they, too, seem to be deepening?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

Copyright 2015 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Pat, remind me about the one where people in glass houses shouldn’t throw things around. The bit about the most successful economic and political union in history might be true but only if looked at as history itself. Didn’t Wilson say he’d been duped into turning the US into one of the worst run nations on earth? That was around a century ago. Things did pick up after WWII but that wasn’t so recent. The prosperity of the Clinton era was mostly credit driven.

    Sure there’s wealth in America but so much poverty too. The US is way down the list when it comes to good health and education but it does rate highly in weapons manufacturing. Too bad much of it is paid for by the taxpayer then provided to nasty nations with “loans” that will never be repaid.

    Beaten by little men in pajamas in Vietnam, and more recently sent packing by the Iraqis and Afghans. For what gain and at what cost? Once great cities now have their infrastructure crumbling away and it seems to me that it really started with Ronnie Reagan, your idol. So much wasted on foreign wars. America’s enemies are within.

    Britain’s Cameron is presented in this article as a man with the right idea, even as massive flooding occurs in Britain. Perhaps, had he been sorting out the needs of the British people instead of chest-thumping over matters in Syria and Libya, the damage and hardships could have been avoided.

    I don’t think there is a solution for the US now, it’s too late. People still bicker over Democrat and Republican issues while the foxes are in charge of the henhouse. The Kennedy murders went by without proper investigations as did 9/11. People just wanted to move on. Things have moved on but not in a good way.

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  2. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Buchanan,

    You forget to mention that the massive influx of refugees from the Middle East…into Europe and the” West” is due first and foremost to the Neocon catastrophic wars of aggression that have eviscerated their home countries….and rendered them nearly uninhabitable .

    One should not be surprised that all the wanton Neocon carnage over there…. has hemorrhaged millions of war -torn refugees over here.

    If we really “want ” to clean up this terrorist mess we need to start at the” top”…by putting the Neocon-ers in Guantanamo bay and closing ( permanently) their Neocon Shop.

    • Replies: @Donna
    , @AnotherDad
  3. civilization-sustaining Whites in North America will be a minority – facing a hostile majority amalgam of Blacks, Aztecs, Slants, Muslims (and self-liquidating cosmic whites) all molded by lethally-hostile globalist Jews – by no later than the mid-2020’s. Not “2042” (think real #’s, not .gov soporifics…by 2042, Whites will be effectively Palestine’d). IF the Jews can keep their consent-buying debtPonziconomy going until then, and get the Whites disarmed, they will have won and Western Civ will be liquidated and replaced by a Chinese-style combination of Police State Socialism and crony capitalism. As a visible race, Whites in NA will be rendered extinct by 2090 or sooner. And at this point, Buchanan notwithstanding, I don’t think Whites in Western Europe have a ghost of a chance; Holocaustianity replaced Christianity long ago, and – via the mass-mediated Kosher Culture of death – abortion, porn, feminism, and faggotry – the White birthrate has (as in NA) indeed terminally collapsed. Just look at the 2nd round French election results: the WN’s were easily defeated by an alliance of open-borders Cucks and Communists. The most likely zone of White civilizational survival will be eastern Europe and Russia, precisely because of the region’s traditionally higher incidence of “antisemitism”

  4. The Anglo/Zio Empire is in rapid decline. So yes. The West is disintegrating. You’re an historian Pat. You know empires come and go. What will post imperial America look like? I think she will balkanize. When the government goodies stop coming who will remain loyal to Washington? Nobody wants to live in a police state. Nullification and secession will be the way forward for states and/or regions required to take matters into their own hands.

  5. Realist says:

    “Is the West Disintegrating?”

    As usual you answer your own question. What you fail to realize is that democracy always fails.

  6. @WorkingClass

    Why do people around here always talk about secession down the road? The future demographics of the U.S. look a lot like the current demographics of Texas, California or New Mexico. Do you see mass white uprising in those states? Do you see plans for secession? No. Whites just insulate and isolate.

    Look, I think that what’s happening to the U.S. and Western Europe is a horrific and historic tragedy, truly a genocide – and I say that as a father who knows whats coming for his children and grandchildren. But this talk of secession and whites fighting back has absolutely no proof to it. Hell, look at South Africa. The whites there are literally being killed, and, yet, they do nothing.

    I hate to say it, but something is wrong with our people. We’ve lost the will to replace ourselves, to fight back, to even think of ourselves as a people worth saving. It’s hard to argue that such a people deserve to stay free.

    I hope that I’m wrong. I certainly try to instill pride in my children, but at some point, you acknowledge that you’re fighting the tide.

  7. Pat,

    The short answer is yes. In France and England, the whites have dropped to ~66% of births. In a generation, that likely will fall to 50% or even less. Germany is right behind them. The U.S. is already at 50% white births.

    Unless whites miraculously wake up and develop ethnic/racial pride (nearly impossible given the Jewish/gay/liberal white control of the schools and popular culture), whites will be a minority of the working age population in both Western Europe and the United States by the end of the century, much earlier for many parts.

    At that point, the “West” will no longer exist, unless you consider Brazil a Western country.

    It’s a tragedy, but it’s a (mostly) self-inflicted one. (Yes, the Jews pushed the agenda, but as they say, you can’t con an honest man. Something in whites wanted this.) Perhaps, it was simply the old story of too much success leads to your downfall. The West dominated for 500 years, surpassing even the Romans. Empires – and cultures – die.

    We shall see.

  8. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    With respect Citizen, I didn’t say anything about a white uprising.

  9. Tiny Duck says:

    In the future, the biggest demographic change in the U.S. is the rise of the majority-minority, an odd concept that shows that we still haven’t gotten over the idea that white males are the norm and everyone else is a stranger. To thrive domestically as well as globally, being multicultural is essential. That means better education and opportunity for everyone regardless of color, neighborhood, or immigration status.

    You can either get used to it and thrive or complain and give in to fear and diminish.

    The choice is yours.

  10. Thirdeye says:
    @Tiny Duck

    To thrive domestically as well as globally, being multicultural is essential.

    Nope. Cultures become ascendant because they are functionally adaptive. Asian rice cultures thrived because they provided a reliable food base and social organization for stable societies. Western liberal culture attained dominance because it was adaptive for producing great wealth. When cultures meet, the choices in the less functional culture are to adapt and assimilate, or stagnate and be marginalized. Immigrants from Mexico are leaving a national culture with functional shortcomings. That’s why they want to leave. The ones that thrive in the US are the ones that adapt or assimilate. China and Japan were confronted with a necessity to adapt when faced with the west. They have met the challenge and in many ways are outperforming the exporters of the culture they adapted into their postliberal versions of capitalism. Now the west might face the prospect of having to adapt to ascendant Asian cultures. By contrast, sub-Saharan Africa and much of south Asia have largely remained culturally stagnant, to their own detriment. Islamic fundamentalists and Hindutva Indian nationalists are making a conscious decision not to adapt. In the long run they will inevitably lose. It is not the responsibility of functionally adaptive cultures to prop up dysfunctionally nonadaptive cultures.

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    , @Mitchell Porter
  11. @WorkingClass

    “Nullification and secession will be the way forward for states and/or regions required to take matters into their own hands.”

    If you think that the federal gov’t – even a weakened multi-culti federal gov’t – will allow that to happen peacefully, you’re crazy.

  12. @Tiny Duck

    Hugh,

    Congrats on spouting off some many liberal cliches in such a short comment.

    Let’s dismantle your facile happy talk point by point.

    “To thrive domestically as well as globally, being multicultural is essential.”

    I love this one because it shows a person who literally can’t read a map. Let’s see, how are those very racist, very ethnocentric Chinese doing economically these days. Hmm, pretty darn well. All German companies. Japanese companies. Taiwanese companies. The list goes on. No, to thrive, you need to smart management and trained workers. A company comprised of nothing but white Nazi would be successful if it produced a great product. The Jews are one of the most (if not they most) ethnocentric groups in the world, and they are hugely successful.

    Also, you can understand and appreciate other cultures without inviting the world to live in your country. It’s call travel. It’s fun.

    “That means better education and opportunity for everyone regardless of color, neighborhood, or immigration status. ”

    First, the most important ingredient to academic success is a high IQ – and blacks and browns simply don’t have enough. (Check JayMan for all the gory details and academic proof.)

    That’s why despite spending billions upon billions on education, the U.S. can’t get the wealthiest blacks to perform better than the poorest whites and Asians. Also, as the U.S. becomes more and more black and brown, which soak up gov’t resources due to their lack of ability to perform in a technological society, where exactly are all of the resources for “better education” going to come from.

    Btw, if you want to see how well “better education” – what a ridiculous phrase – performs, why don’t you check out how much black scores improved in Kansas City when a judge ruled that the city go on a spending spree until it closed the achievement gap.

    “You can either get used to it and thrive or complain and give in to fear and diminish.”

    I’m starting to see this more and more. Liberals calling whites like us pussies for not wanting to be around blacks. “If only you were tough like me, you could handle it,” kind of thing. First, blacks have very little impulse control and aren’t too good are understanding long-term consequences, so people should be a somewhat afraid of them, much like you’d be nervous with a pack of monkeys running around.

    Second, have you ever seen white “thriving” around large numbers of blacks. Whites can thrive around Hispanics, but that’s when the mestizos are the peasants and whites the rulers, like Mexico.

    Finally, apparently, you miss another option. Live with other whites. Heck, that’s what liberals do, so why shouldn’t I.

    Personally, I did live very close to blacks for about two years. There’s absolutely nothing that they add to a neighborhood. It was kind of sad. I mean, they’re utterly useless. At least Mexicans can work reasonably well at lower and middle-tier jobs. I wouldn’t hire them to cut my yard. Somewhere, deep down, they have to know this; they have to know that they just don’t add anything to society outside of some music and sports, but nothing that can’t be replaced. Must be a weird feeling to know that everyone despises you, even the liberals who claim to be your friend don’t want to be anywhere near you.

  13. Horzabky says:
    @Thirdeye

    Islamic fundamentalists and Hindutva Indian nationalists are making a conscious decision not to adapt. In the long run they will inevitably lose.

    The Muslims and the Hindus of the 22nd century will be poor. But western Whites will be history. Dead or marginalized. What fate would you choose for your nation, if you could? In the 22nd century, the winner nations will be those nations that will still exist. And not a single nation will be rich, at least by the standards of 2015.

    I think that before the end of the 21st century, mankind will endure a global collapse. It may begin for real around 2030. 2050 at the latest. It’s too late for the Whites already, except in Eastern Europe and Russia. As to Eastern Europe, it’s not even sure. If Merkel manages to make them open their gates to Third World immigrants, they are toast. And Russia is 20% Muslim already.

    Who survived the collapse of the Roman Empire? The Barbarians. The Gauls, a Celtic people, had made the choice to adapt to Roman civilization. After the collapse of the Empire, the Gauls had disappeared. Their country took a new name, France, which means “the land of the Franks”. The Franks were Germanic invaders. The old Gaulish language, a Celtic tongue, had been replaced by Latin, which evolved into French, as the Frankish-speaking invaders mixed with the natives. The Gauls had adapted too well indeed. Nothing remains of their culture in modern France.

    What nations survived the fall of the Roman Empire? Those which had least adapted to Roman civilization. The Basques. The Celtic nations of the fringes: the Welsh, the Cornish, the Scots (whom Rome never subdued), and the Irish (whom Roman armies never managed to invade).

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  14. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Again with respect Citizen. I didn’t say it would happen peacefully.

  15. @Haxo Angmark

    Yo, Haxo!

    Don’t be shy… tell us what you really think of the Jooooos!

  16. The West is indeed dying. To the delight of progressives everywhere.

  17. Rehmat says:

    “Albania is Muslim”, really Pat Buchanan!

    No one can stop you whining, but Albania like Turkey is still waiting to join the “White Christian only” European Union Club. If people like you are really interested in growing White population higher than non-White, then I suggest you guys should do something to the increasing population of non-productive people – LGBT and White prostitution.

    Albania, though a Muslim-majority (70%) nation – but it happens to be world’s only Atheist Republic.

    Terrified by the mere thought of Europe’s first independent Muslim nation-state emerging out of the ashes of Ottoman Empire – some of the Allied Powers wanted to dismember Albania (formerly a Wilayet of Ottoman empire, during 1455-1912) and divide it between the Serbs and Greeks after WW I. However, it was US president Woodrow Wilson who voted against this division in the Paris Peace Conference. However, the other Albanian dominated (90%) Ottoman Wilayet of Kosova was not merged with Albania – but handed over to Communist Yugoslavia under Marshal Tito. Albania was admitted to the League of Nations until it was occupied by Italy in 1939 CE followed by Germany in 1943 CE.

    After the German forces retreated in 1944, the Communist National Liberation Front took control of the country on November 29, 1944. Its leader Enver Hoxha (d. 1985), a Soveit stooge – abolished all Islamic institutions and proclaimed Albania “the first Atheist State in the world”. Since 1990s, the absolute restrictions on religious practices in public have been relaxed to some extent and as a result Islam and Christianity are slowly re-emerging in Albanian society.

    Albania, Kosova and Macedonia are all victims of America\’s oil greed . Since 1993, US military has been using Albanian military base Perlat, 35 mile southwest of Tirana. A small numbers of Albanian soldiers are also helping US occupation forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In September 2006 – Tirana hired former Secretary of US Homeland Security, Tom Ridge (a Zionist who has close links with Jewish Lobby) as its lobbyist for US$480,000 one year contract to get Albania join NATO. When Tom retired, Bush gave the post to a dual citizen Jew, Michael Chertoff, who during 9/11 attacks, as Head of the Terrorism Task Force, let several Israelis arrested for allegedly involved in 9/11 released and got them deported to Israel. Obama’s appointee as Director of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, is not only Jewish but her picture can be seen on the cover of Lesbian magazine – Sort of hiring a terrorist to catch another terrorist!!

    http://rehmat1.com/2009/03/09/albania-worlds-first-atheist-state/

  18. Art says:

    Rome fell apart from within.

    As like when Rome was failing, the US elite are dissipated. America’s Gentile moneyed elite want to go along with the flow – keep their status and money — not by being personally creative – but by hiring advisers. Genetically the politically elite children are faps – useless, over educated, under achievers.

    Look at “W” Bush. Harvard and Yale educated – but when push came to shove he was without substance. He did not even know that Cheney had him by the gonads and was squeezing. While he was waving the bloody flag of 9/11, Cheney was giving the country over to the Jew.

    Weakling elite like Ted Kennedy surround themselves with Jew advisers, then got drunk and whored around. Meanwhile the Jew advisers make legislation that will not allow any more Irish Kennedy into America.

    Trump may be a break from our downfall. He has true blue can do American blood in him.

    Elect him. Prevail good America!

    p.s. Almost all the other choices more or less say they would nuke Iran for Israel.

  19. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    I think Buchanan is missing some key points.

    He keeps talking about Scottish secession. But Scotland is more ‘leftist’ than the rest of UK.
    If anything, it wants to secede in order to globalize even faster. Moronic Scottish ‘nationalists’ are attacking the Tory government for not being ‘progressive’ enough. They should be called Scottish globalists. Many lesser states want to split from their nations only to globalize even faster and adopt more PC nonsense.

    Look at Ireland. It has been independent from Britain for some time, but Irish pride now comes from globalizing even faster than Britain. Ireland has black immigrants and tons of Irish women reject their own potatohead men and have children with Negroes.

    Taiwan wants independence from China but only to globalize faster. Stuff like ‘gay marriage’ is catching on over there. Taiwanese want permanent split from China cuz they see China as too nationalist and conservative. Taiwanese wanna be deracinated and grow closer to the US empire.

    So, secessions are not necessarily nationalist. It can be globalist. After all, the national independence of Eastern European nations from Soviet domination didn’t make them more nationalist but more globalist. Many got sucked into EU, and many are now waving homo flags. Georgian gives the nationalist middle finger to Russia… yet it has become a dog of the US empire. Georgia now has homo pride parades at the behest of its American masters.

    Many small states within the larger nation feel stifled and repressed by the national government. They prefer globalism over nationalism. So, they wanna split from the nation they are part of and join with the US-promoted global empire.

    Nationalism is useless when the culture and morality are disintegrating. Whether Europe remains in EU or splits into a 100 pieces, there won’t be true nationalism and patriotism unless the culture changes. If Scotland splits from the UK but the joins with globalism and imports a million Negroes and make reggae their national anthem, what kind of nationalism is that?

    Ireland is independent but freely voted for ‘gay marriage’, the first nation to do so. Some national independence!! If Irish freedom and independence only made it cave to globalist homo agenda, its nationalism is useless.

    In fact, the culture and morality of the West are so foul nowadays that even nationalism and secessions cannot save Europe. Suppose Bavaria splits from Germany only to take in more immigrants and put on massive homo parades that have a demoralizing and deracinating effect. Some nationalism!

    Take a look at this news:

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Glee-Actor-Mark-Salling-Arrested-Possession-of-Child-Porn-363741391.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand

    One might say, ‘well, it’s nice that we can still be outraged by SOME thing.’ We still believe pedophilia is terrible.

    But… I’m sure that some time in the future, the accused will be vindicated as a victim of ‘pedophobia’. With the Jewish-run media sexualizing little children at breakneck speed, American society will have to accept children as sexual beings. After all, even grade school children are now taught the wonders of anal homo ‘sex’ or fecal penetration. And Disney markets prostitute-style clothing to little girls. As children become sexualized, they will be seen as sexual beings capable of having sex with other children. And if children can have sex with other children, why not with adults as well? And in that manner, ‘pedophobia’ will be reviled and banned while pedophilia will be the law of the land. Homos and pedophiles are very close, and just as Jews helped the homos to power, homos will help pedos to power. Homos and pedos will march together in ‘pride’ parades.
    When the culture of a people is headed in such direction, it doesn’t matter if EU or US remains one or breaks up into a 100 pieces. The culture is sick and getting sicker.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    , @Art
  20. Zoodles says:

    The west is already dead. It died in the mud of France. Everything since then is the thrashing of its corpse. When exists now isn’t the west, but a kind of anti-west. It looks like the west, it sounds like the west, but it stands in opposition to everything the west stood for.

    There will be a reconquista, but only after many decades of subjugation and africanisation. The western peoples will feel the pain and humiliation of colonisation and conquest. Then, and only then will the illusions finally be shattered and we will be ready to reclaim what is ours. That being said, the Great Hijra will leave cultural and genetic scars on the population of europe, in the same way the spanish conquest left its mark in Mexico. The remaining indigenous population will be joined by a large population of mixed individuals when the time comes to evict the settlers and their white bootlicks.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  21. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “I hate to say it, but something is wrong with our people.”

    Sure is. Worldwide. Most so called humans are still animals.

    How many people can say that someone else’s property is someone else’s property and really mean it? How many people can say that another person’s life is theirs and theirs alone and really mean it? How many people can say that initiating aggression against another person is wrong and really mean it? About .01% at most and that’s what’s wrong.

    You can take man out of the animal world but you can’t take the animal world out of man.

  22. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Is there hope for white people in the east (e.g., Hungary, Poland, Russia, the Balkans), or can they be bought off with big-screen TVs, etc. like western whites?

  23. @Priss Factor

    The Corsican nationalists are showing some resilience by attacking Muslim enclaves and prayer centers and earning the condemnation of French elites. Not all nationalist movements are necessarily globalist, although I readily admit your too-apt description makes for depressing reading.

  24. JEC says:

    Pat Buchanan’s commentary is far too optimistic about the future of Europe.

    • Agree: Realist
  25. @NoseytheDuke

    “And this raises a question about the most successful economic and political union in history — the USA.”

    If you look at the historical United States, then this is a true statement. If the individual States are seen as their own sovereign entities (only true in theory today), then the United States IS the most successful economic and political union in human history.

    The countries ahead of us in health care and education are generally homogenous mono-cultural countries.

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  26. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “Unless whites miraculously wake up and develop ethnic/racial pride (nearly impossible given the Jewish/gay/liberal white control of the schools and popular culture), whites will be a minority of the working age population in both Western Europe and the United States by the end of the century, much earlier for many parts.”

    The problem here is that most widely known historical examples of a white ethnic/racial movements are associated with some kind of genocide/segregation/apartheid. In the minds of most people, white/ethnic pride movements are synonymous with those things. I suppose that the Renaissance/Humanism could be considered a white racial/ethnic pride movement, but that is mostly associated with rebellion from the Church.

    How do we make the argument in our social circles that a white racial/ethnic pride movement doesn’t have to result in National Socialism, Apartheid, or Jim Crow? You’re starting to see this in Germany where middle-of-the-road school teachers are rediscovering their cultural identity, but are then branding as NeoNazis and Racists by the NYT.

    Trump is slowly starting to make it possible to have those discussions here, but its still limited to the fringes. I suppose I see Trump as a kind of political John-the-Baptist. His purpose is not to bring redemption to the white/middle class America, but rather to prepare the way for the One Who Will.

  27. Art says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Many lesser states want to split from their nations only to globalize even faster and adopt more PC nonsense.”

    Hmm – what kind of globalism are you talking about. Banking corporate globalism were big big money dictates to government and were democracy is sham – or a world that is free and open to travail and exchange. A global world that wants to be clean and were borders do not lock in coercion of its citizens.

    The first is undesirable – the second we want.

    Airplanes and cell phones put the lie to the idea that we need or want a divided globe.

  28. Corvinus says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Halo Angmark—“civilization-sustaining Whites in North America will be a minority – facing a hostile majority amalgam of Blacks, Aztecs, Slants, Muslims (and self-liquidating cosmic whites) all molded by lethally-hostile globalist Jews – by no later than the mid-2020′s.

    You are going to have to define “civilization-sustaining whites”, as well as “self-liquidating cosmic whites”. You must have gone go “Memes Our Us”.

    “As a visible race, Whites in NA will be rendered extinct by 2090 or sooner.”

    COULD be rendered, not WILL be rendered. Are you a soothsayer? Moreover, are you doing your part to sire white offspring, say 10-15 children?

    Halo Angmark—“civilization-sustaining Whites in North America will be a minority – facing a hostile majority amalgam of Blacks, Aztecs, Slants, Muslims (and self-liquidating cosmic whites) all molded by lethally-hostile globalist Jews – by no later than the mid-2020′s.

    You are going to have to define “civilization-sustaining whites”, as well as “self-liquidating cosmic whites”. You must have gone go “Memes Our Us”.

    “As a visible race, Whites in NA will be rendered extinct by 2090 or sooner.”

    COULD be rendered, not WILL be rendered. Are you a soothsayer? Moreover, are you doing your part to sire white offspring, say 10-15 children?”

    “The most likely zone of White civilizational survival will be eastern Europe and Russia, precisely because of the region’s traditionally higher incidence of “antisemitism”.

    That’s unless these fine groups of whites stop peddling flesh and swilling vodka.

  29. Corvinus says:
    @WorkingClass

    “Nullification and secession will be the way forward for states and/or regions required to take matters into their own hands.”

    I imagine you are doing your part to facilitate this process, i.e. a grass-roots approach?

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  30. Corvinus says:
    @Zoodles

    Zoodles–“There will be a reconquista, but only after many decades of subjugation and africanisation.”

    By whom? How?

    In fact, why don’t you start now. I’m sure you can drum up support, right?

    Although, I’m curious as to whether “whites” are able to think and act for themselves overall. I mean, if some “whites” prefer to live, marry, and procreate with “non-whites”, do they have that liberty in your eyes? If not, under whose authority do you claim to be able to coerce them to change their “un-white” ways?

    • Replies: @Zoodles
  31. Corvinus says:

    I am always fascinated by some of the white elites who make these claims about the “West”. Europeans historically have been wary of one another despite being bound by Christianity and Roman influence. It was only until Europeans took over the Western Hemisphere, specifically America, did they intermingle and minimize their propensity to murder one another.

    NoseyTheDuke—“Beaten by little men in pajamas in Vietnam, and more recently sent packing by the Iraqis and Afghans. “

    Corrected for accuracy —> A myriad of factors, including political divisions regarding how to win wars, as well as stout men willing to die for the cause of freedom, led America to “lose” those wars.

    Citizen—(Yes, the Jews pushed the agenda, but as they say, you can’t con an honest man. Something in whites wanted this.)

    Yes, let’s blame da Joos for everything. Are you that helpless? Are you a victim? Are you impotent to change things?

    “Let’s see, how are those very racist, very ethnocentric Chinese doing economically these days.”

    That is their legacy. America’s heritage has always been one of various races and ethnicities living and working together.

    ‘First, the most important ingredient to academic success is a high IQ.’

    Corrected for accuracy —> The will to work hard and learn about the world around you is the most essential trait.

    “First, blacks have very little impulse control and aren’t too good are understanding long-term consequences”

    Neither do high IQ whites who commit white-collar crimes. It’s in-born.

    “There’s absolutely nothing that they add to a neighborhood.”

    You love cliches.

    Hugh Gentry—“You can either get used to it and thrive or complain and give in to fear and diminish. The choice is yours.”

    Thread winner.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @dahoit
  32. Hrw-500 says:

    A bit off-topic, Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism did a interesting rant.

  33. @Thirdeye

    “Islamic fundamentalists and Hindutva Indian nationalists are making a conscious decision not to adapt.”

    Hindu nationalists are quite capable of assimilating modern science and technology to their worldview. Their main problem is just resistance from other Indians who don’t share their political and cultural agenda.

    And I suspect that even a new Islamic caliphate could do so. Not the jihadi Jonestown that Baghdadi runs; but something bigger and more stable could.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  34. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/polands-lawmakers-approve-law-state-media-control-36015320

    This may be the right thing to do, at least in the short term. In principle, ‘free media’ independent of the state is something I believe in, but the problem is so much of ‘free media’ happens to be controlled by globalist oligarchs. Jewish oligarchs control 90% of media in the US, for example, even though Jews are only 2% of the population. And in the 1990s, the
    globo-garchs gained total control of ‘free media’ in Russia.

    Globalists take over finance and high-tech, grab all the loot, and then buy up all the media and use media for globo agenda. Against such nefarious influences, it may be necessary for the state to gain control of the media as the state may better reflect the will of the majority, whereas the oligarchs despise the majority and try to undermine nationalist identity and sentiments.

    Globs have taken over the media and academia of many nations, and they’ve been brainwashing the population to reject their own race, identity, territory, and heritage. Against such evil, the state must save the nation by taking control of the media from vicious globalist oligarchs who seek to destroy European races, cultures, and lands. Just look at that hideous Soros. Or look what Jewish control of Swedish press has done to Dumb Swede minds.

    For example, Russian government’s control of national media is far from ideal, but the Russian state media better represents the will of most Russians than do America’s so-called free media(mostly owned and controlled by Jewish oligarchs and their homo allies) that work against the interests of the majority.

    In the 90s, one or two oligarchs gained monopoly of the Russian media and tried to turn Russia into a puppet of globalist-Zionist agenda. And today, Jewish-controlled US is trying to break Russia with sanctions and military threats because it won’t go along with the dictates of Jewish Supremacism.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304973/Confessions-oligarch-Shortly-mysterious-death-Boris-Berezovsky-revealed-amassed-2bn-fortune-ruthless-pillage-post-Soviet-Russia.html

  35. @DCThrowback

    The only thing that I would question in your comment is the word IS when it should be WAS the most successful economic and political union in human history. Fiat money, fractional reserve banking, derivatives, I shudder thinking about the house of cards it all is and what it was.

    On a fool would question the capabilities of America and its people but look at what WAS and compare it to what IS.

    There’s no logical reason not to have good, quality healthcare for all because it’s cheaper, better for the nation and it’s moral. Same for good, quality education. A much better investment that endless foreign wars, I think.

  36. @Corvinus

    In no way did I mean to impugn the metal of US personnel in Vietnam or any other war, if I created that impression I humbly apologise.

    My point was that they had no business being there in the first place. Nobody is going to attack or invade the USA, not then, not now. Not Russia, not China and certainly not Iran. America IS under attack however right now and from within. Know thy enemy.

    Wasteful in terms of blood and treasure, unnecessary and immoral and indeed destructive in every way except for the manufacture of profit. Those vets were betrayed and sacrificed and even a great many of the survivors came home wounded inside. The list of why the war was lost is indeed long and varied from the Olin ammo for the M16, the constraints on tactics and targets and the contradictions of great time honoured military philosophies as set out in The Art of War but the point remains, they were there based on lies. Reds, dominoes, Gulf of Tonkin, lies then and now.

    I understand that you care about these men, all well and good but let’s be truthful here. Their young lives were sacrificed on the alter of profit and greed centred on Wall St, the MIC and foreign agendas. Letting it continue is collective insanity.

    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
  37. Zoodles says:
    @Corvinus

    Its addressed in my post.

    Aggressive multiculturalism and the behaviour of the settlers themselves will reignite nationalism across Europe. This process will take several decades.

    The indigenous population will be joined by a large mixed population who identify with the cultural and history of the indigenous peoples rather than those of the settlers. They will reassert themselves politically, culturally and even militarily across their historic homelands. Many settlers and their descendant will leave. Some will stay and accommodate themselves to the new reality.

    The process will somewhat resemble Fiji, where the indigenous population was reduced to a minority in their own homeland by indian settlers. Now they are reclaiming their land and the Indians have begun to leave.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  38. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    The Vietnam War was fought as part of America’s containment policy to block Soviet and Red Chinese expansion into Europe and the Third World. The thinking was that the communists were not preparing to invade the US, rather they were striving to isolate the US. As tragic and incompetently fought as the Vietnam War was, in the larger scheme of things the containment policy was a success.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  39. Corvinus says:
    @Zoodles

    Zoodles–“The indigenous population will be joined by a large mixed population who identify with the cultural and history of the indigenous peoples rather than those of the settlers. They will reassert themselves politically, culturally and even militarily across their historic homelands. Many settlers and their descendant will leave. Some will stay and accommodate themselves to the new reality.”

    I’ll wait for the movie to come out. Better yet, why don’t you get off your high horse and film a documentary regarding your direct involvement in this “reconquista”.

    Even better still, why don’t you answer these questions, as I am genuinely curious your responses–Are “whites” are able to think and act for themselves overall? I mean, if some “whites” prefer to live, marry, and procreate with “non-whites”, do they have that liberty in your eyes? If not, under whose authority do you claim to be able to coerce them to change their “un-white” ways?

    NoseyTheDuke–“Their young lives were sacrificed on the alter of profit and greed centred on Wall St, the MIC and foreign agendas.”

    Which are features, not bugs, of war. Par for the course, really.

    “America IS under attack however right now and from within. Know thy enemy.”

    From who? The elites? Muslims? Christian white radicals? The police? “Darkies”? You are going to have to be specific.

    • Replies: @Zoodles
    , @NoseytheDuke
  40. @Tiny Duck

    I’m pretty sure homogenous Japan and South Korea will be doing far better-domestically and globally- than the petri dishes of humanity that the West has become.

    I mean if multiculturalism and diversity is so great, why isn’t Brazil No 1? Not enough Magic Dirt there or something?

  41. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What they allow doesn’t matter, what matters is what fedgov can enforce. They are morally bankrupt, when they are financially bankrupt then they will be powerless and their wishes will be irrelevant.

  42. @Corvinus

    I imagine you are doing your part to facilitate this process, i.e. a grass-roots approach?

    For us proles job one will be surviving the collapse. Its not a process that needs our help. I’m in my 70’s and dependent on my pension. I don’t expect to be among the survivors. There are “grass roots” approaches to survival. Community gardens for example. I am not an organizer but I am a participant.

    When the dust has settled however there will be opportunities for younger men in the rebuilding. Opportunities that did not exist under the oppressive rule of Imperial Washington. These will include political options. Normalcy bias makes it difficult to imagine our almighty federal government being powerless to prevent nullification and/or secession. My speculations about what post imperial America will look like are just that. What do you see in your crystal ball?

  43. Zoodles says:
    @Corvinus

    I’ll be long dead before it begins.

    Whites can marry whom they wish. The mixed descendants will decide whether they identify with the colonial population or the indigenous population.

    And in the end the only authority that matters is who has the most guns.

    Do you support the demographic displacement of the indigenous peoples of europe from their historic homelands by settlers? Or do indigenous peoples have a right to defend their homelands from mass settlement by outsiders? And do they have the right to preserve their cultures?

    • Replies: @Art
  44. AnAnon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “Do you see mass white uprising in those states?” – whites are firmly in charge of both states and Texas does have a separatist movement(gets about 20% support). Things will have to get a lot worse than “we control everything and everything is still generally good” for any sort of organizing to occur however.

  45. Art says:
    @Zoodles

    “Or do indigenous peoples have a right to defend their homelands from mass settlement by outsiders? And do they have the right to preserve their cultures?”

    The answers are Yes and Yes. — but with that said it is wise to allow some fresh blood into a society.

  46. Corvinus says:

    Working Class–“For us proles job one will be surviving the collapse. Its not a process that needs our help.”

    How convenient–bemoan how things are in dire straights, hope that this “collapse” is facilitated by “younger” peers, and then participate in its rebuilding, provided that you make it through.

    “Opportunities that did not exist under the oppressive rule of Imperial Washington.”

You make the assumption that the rebuilding will be predicated upon the victory of your side -and- that those philosophies will actually be embraced and implemented. Indeed, it is mere speculation.

    “Normalcy bias makes it difficult to imagine our almighty federal government being powerless to prevent nullification and/or secession.”

Assuming, again, that those are viable options.

    Zoodles–”The mixed descendants will decide whether they identify with the colonial population or the indigenous population.”



    The “colonial population” included whites, blacks, da Joos, and Native Americans. The “indigenous” population refers to tribal groups who were in “America” first.

    “Do you support the demographic displacement of the indigenous peoples of europe from their historic homelands by settlers?”

    Do you even understand nuance? Because if the answer is “no”, then by logical extension EVERY American must leave the United States and give the land back to tribal groups. However, some would argue that the land and people there had required “civilization”, e.g. Christianity, and therefore was bound by a duty by God to spread this “magic dirt”. In this situation, the only solution to “seed” this land was by force.

    
So, the more appropriate question is do you support people having the liberty to choose whether or not they prefer to have newcomers enter their shores?


    “Or do indigenous peoples have a right to defend their homelands from mass settlement by outsiders?”



    Again, this “mass settlement by outsiders” was an effort by citizens “native” of a particular area to enable “non-natives” to arrive to that particular area and live there, similar to the decisions made by Parliament and the English monarch to “allow” groups of people to “settle” the Thirteen Colonies.

    “And do they have the right to preserve their cultures?”

    

The citizens of America do in fact preserve their culture, both the “mainstream” one and the one from their heritage.

  47. @Mark Caplan

    That’s what people were told but it was never true. It was all for profit and control. Ever read None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen? The UK sold 20 Rolls Royce jet engines to China at the peak of the cold war and the US made similar sales. A racket, then as now.

  48. @Corvinus

    You asked me who is attacking America? Ask yourself who has debased its currency? Who has agitated for costly foreign wars? Who manipulates policies that undermine? Who has obtained control of media to manipulate public opinion? I know you’re smart enough to work this out yourself, if you want to. The last sentence of your reply does not indicate that you made a genuine attempt to do that.

  49. Corvinus says:

    You’re purposely being vague, NoseyTheDuke. There are many culprits according to the fine posters on this fine blog regarding “who is attacking America”. I listed several. You’re going to have to do better than respond with more questions.

  50. This is your list.

    “From who? The elites? Muslims? Christian white radicals? The police? “Darkies”? You are going to have to be specific.”

    If you wish to play childish word games you’ll have to find somebody other than me to play with, and it’s whom.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  51. easy to solve really. give huuuge tax breaks for parents. huge as in life changing, not just minuscule tokens.

    in the usa, it costs about 190K to raise a baby properbly to the age of 18, that doesn’t include college tuition. I am thinking it is the same in europe?

    bring that cost down(by at least half or as low as 50k) and college tuition down, you will see people more willing to have babies.

  52. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Short answer, yes.

    Main cause, the media induced false reality which turned the “West” into a cult and is steering it over a cliff.

    If we avoid the neocons starting WWIII over the middle east then I have no doubt there will be a reaction at some point. It won’t be pretty by definition because it’ll only happen when people see the cliff.

  53. You mention secession or a coming together. Beyond the simple fact that we are being out bred, for a variety of reasons and motivations normally attributable to more educated peoples, whites lack the cohesion of ethnics\minorities. Whites enjoy the pleasure of being able to exist in separate, individual, discrete bubbles. We do not need one another for the coherence of our communities or neighborhoods. They simply abide with no input from us. We have no need to gather collectively around the figurative campfire at night to, as a group, protect the greater group from the enemies that belong to the eyes that glower at us with the glow of that campfire. It is evidenced in the moving of the acreage previously allotted to the front yard (therefore allowing a front porch to be viable) to the backyard and the ensuing back patio. We no longer purposely sit out front and interact with our affirmed and acknowledged neighbors. Rather we insulate ourselves in our backyards with our families cooking on our non-communal backyard kitchens. At what point do you think the white community as a collective national whole could become stoked to the point of affecting a Ferguson? It would be like a painfully introverted person suddenly being expected to be capable of a Second City standup routine. We are the Eloi and the Morlocks are coming.

  54. KenH says:

    The West is disintegrating and I didn’t think that was even debatable any longer. The West’s declining fortunes are directly related to the demographic decline of the white race and their replacement with the stone age savages of the third world. I think it was the late Sam Francis who said that the West cannot survive apart from the genetic endowments of the people who created Western civilization. Those words are proving more prescient and prophetic with each passing year.

    Mass third world immigration is turning most formerly white, Western nations into places that are alien, ugly and unrecognizable. Unless a critical mass of whites throughout the West can learn to become mean and intolerant towards all that threaten their existence, then Western nations and quite possibly the white race are headed for the dustbin of history and the only place you might find them will be in history books in Japan and China.

  55. Corvinus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    NoseyThe Duke, I am not playing any “word games”. I’m calling you out on your unwillingness to articulate those particular “enemies attacking America”. It’s really easy to specify.

    AstuteObserver, what you are advocating is socialism. Furthermore, do you not believe that more “darkies” will take further advantage of “free stuff” and grow even more in numbers, compliments of “magic dirt”?

    BigBob, whites are cohesive. Go to any ballpark, church gathering, or political event. Plenty of whites who have the same beliefs and work together toward a common goal.

    • Replies: @KenH
  56. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    BigBob, whites are cohesive. Go to any ballpark, church gathering, or political event. Plenty of whites who have the same beliefs and work together toward a common goal.

    Whites are cohesive on many inconsequential things like sports or shopping, but not on race and racial survival and who and what are threatening our survival. Most whites are still racially unconscious and don’t see themselves as a unique racial group with interests separate from the hordes of non-whites filling up our nations.

    And they are not opposed to mass third world immigration on racial grounds since that would be racist (and racism is really evil when exhibited by whites, but not non-whites) and merely whine that the non-whites aren’t assimilating and showing us enough respect.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  57. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “The West is disintegrating and I didn’t think that was even debatable any longer.”

    Disintegrating into what? Politically? Economically? Socially? You’re going to have to be specific.

    “The West’s declining fortunes are directly related to the demographic decline of the white race and their replacement with the stone age savages of the third world.”

    
First, white people are marrying and procreating. Maybe not at the rates YOU prefer, but do not whites have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children at their own pace?

    Second, what makes you think the Third World is “savage”, given the white people’s propensity for indiscriminate violence?

    “I think it was the late Sam Francis who said that the West cannot survive apart from the genetic endowments of the people who created Western civilization. Those words are proving more prescient and prophetic with each passing year.”

    Assuming that Western Civilization is the standard bearer.

    “Mass third world immigration is turning most formerly white, Western nations into places that are alien, ugly and unrecognizable.”

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    “Unless a critical mass of whites throughout the West can learn to become mean and intolerant towards all that threaten their existence, then Western nations and quite possibly the white race are headed for the dustbin of history and the only place you might find them will be in history books in Japan and China.”

    Whites will survive and thrive like they always do. I imagine that you have done your part by having, say, 10-12 white children, while becoming “mean and intolerant”, right?

    “Whites are cohesive on many inconsequential things like sports or shopping, but not on race and racial survival and who and what are threatening our survival. Most whites are still racially unconscious and don’t see themselves as a unique racial group with interests separate from the hordes of non-whites filling up our nations.”

    Define “white”. Define “non-white”. Are “whites” able to think for themselves when it comes to “race survival”? That is, are they able to decide whether or not they want to intermingle with other groups? How do you propose to teach whites “race consciousness” in light of their individual decisions? Must ALL whites ALL the time think and act like yourself?

    “And they are not opposed to mass third world immigration on racial grounds since that would be racist (and racism is really evil when exhibited by whites, but not non-whites) and merely whine that the non-whites aren’t assimilating and showing us enough respect.”

Racism is not just about anti-white, or anti-black, or anti-Asian. It’s anti-humanity.

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @KenH
  58. Thirdeye says:
    @Horzabky

    The Islamic Caliphates survived the fall of Rome quite nicely and they were among the more technical societies in the world. They assimilated Greco-Roman science and brought advances in mathematics.

    I’m guessing that the cultures that thrive in the near future will be the ones that are best at allocating resources for the good of the community as a whole. Western liberal societies suck at it. Adapt or die.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
  59. Thirdeye says:
    @Mitchell Porter

    Hindutva can learn the technical stuff, but they’re truly awful at the social stuff required to put it all together. India generates more wealth than 50 years ago, but they’ve made scant progress on their society’s most pressing problems. It’s the culture that the Hindutva are so in love with that is the problem. There isn’t a meaningful social ethic with Hindu and social relations are as brutal as ever. I honestly think it will take a social revolution for India to evolve the way it needs to.

    One thing that’s circulating about H1-B Indians in technical fields is that they tend to have problem-solving skills below their credential level. Good technicians, crappy project managers. That may also be a cultural issue.

    I don’t know about a Caliphate, but some Muslim societies have shown an ability to adapt and evolve. The Ba’athists are good examples of forward-looking Muslims. Some of the stuff they adapted was downright ugly – Saddam modeled his rule on Stalin’s rule – but Iraq up to 1991 was advancing spectacularly. The Syrian Ba’athists have a pluralistic outlook, but it might not survive the imported sectarian war. Iran also adapts western approaches when it suits them. Unfortunately, the Muslims with the most widespread influence among other Muslims are the Saudis, largely from the authority they gain by being the guardians of the holy sites.

  60. Talha says:
    @Corvinus

    Excellent points – what exactly is “white” and “white culture” – for instance, another word for ‘whites’ is Caucasian. If one looks at the breakdown of those actually categorized as the people of the Caucasus region – from whence the term comes – one is faced with the fact that (minus the Georgians and the Abkhazians) they are predominantly traditional Muslim cultures. How does that fit in with the whole “white culture” theme.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

    I am not white but if I was I would frankly be offended at a term that lumps such beautifully various cultures like Scots and Albanians and Swedish and Chechens and Spaniards and…and… together like Asians may be offended by lumping such distinct cultures as Thai and Chinese and Philipino into one bag…

    ‘Whites’ have many unique features to their varied cultures and contributions to the world and frankly I would hate for them to get melted away in some tasteless rotten hybrid ‘white’ stew…

  61. Donna says:
    @alexander

    To compare the Western imperialist regimes to today’s refugees (“Just as Europe once invaded and colonized Asia, Africa and the Near East, the once-subject peoples are coming to colonize the mother countries”) demonstrates a profound ignorance of history.

    • Replies: @alexander
  62. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Either you live in a bubble or are purposely trying to be difficult. You also need to tell me what you are if you have the courage so I can better see where you are coming from to address your questions. Are you Jewish, Muslim, black, Latino, mixed race?

    Disintegrating into what? Politically? Economically? Socially? You’re going to have to be specific.

    The West is disintegrating on all three fronts. Politically since there is a growing chasm between left wing and right wing and both sides wish to do harm to one another. The American left under Obama is now openly persecuting its real and perceived enemies. Economically since most nations are heavily burdened with debt and free trade has shipped middle class jobs to low wage nations such as China, Mexico and Malaysia. The U.S. is 20 trillion in debt and 94 million people are not working. Socially since mass immigration has destroyed the social cohesion that existed when the U.S. and European nations were largely monoracial and monocultural (90-100% of European racial heritage). See the book “Bowling Alone” by Robert Putnam for empirical data of this.

    First, white people are marrying and procreating. Maybe not at the rates YOU prefer, but do not whites have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children at their own pace?

    Whites have the lowest fertility rates in the world. Whites in the USA have lower birth rates than blacks and Latinos. Muslims in Europe have higher birthrates native white Europeans. Only Japan has an equally low birthrate. This would be less cause for concern were it not for mass third world immigration into Europe, Canada, England and Europe.

    Assuming that Western Civilization is the standard bearer.

    Oh really? Since the non-white third world is invading the white first world I’d say they agree that Western Civilization has an edge over their own dysfunctional nations.

    Second, what makes you think the Third World is “savage”, given the white people’s propensity for indiscriminate violence?

    Black and Latinos are the most violent segment of U.S. society. Mexico is awash in drugs and plagued by the violence of drug cartels that includes kidnappings, beheadings, torture and other gruesome methods. Muslims in England, Europe & Scandinavia have distinguished themselves as violent, lawless and unassimilable. Virtually all rapes in Sweden are committed by Muslim and black African men. Pakistani men forced English girls into prostitution. See “The Rotherham Scandal”.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28934963

    While you’re at it please cite examples of “white people’s propensity for indiscriminate violence” as if we are the only racial group with this capability and propensity.

    You are entitled to your opinion.

    This is hard fact. Wherever non-whites settle in large numbers it no longer feels like America or an extension of European civilization. Dearborn, MI is a mini Muslim state within Michigan. Black neighborhoods in major cities feel and look like Africa rather than America. A previous Mexican president even boasted that North America is being slowly conquered and changed via immigration from his nation.

    Whites will survive and thrive like they always do. I imagine that you have done your part by having, say, 10-12 white children, while becoming “mean and intolerant”, right?

    For a race to survive there must be a certain degree of intolerance towards “the other” when two or more groups occupy the same living space. Japan China,Israel and many other nations have highly restrictive immigration laws to preserve their racial status quo. Israel treats its Palestinian minority like crap and forbids intermarriage. Japan discriminates against its 2% Korean minority. China is trying to eradicate the Muslim Uighers in the Xinjiang province. In Africa, the Tutsi tribe murdered up to 200,000 Hutus between 1972 and 1994. Yet, somehow my call for whites to be intolerant towards their non-white minorities is shocking to you even in the face of ample evidence that non-white minorities are intolerant and hostile towards whites in America and elsewhere.

    As a side note, Muslims and ISIS animals persecute and murder Christians who’ve been in the Middle East longer than they have.

    Define “white”. Define “non-white”. Are “whites” able to think for themselves when it comes to “race survival”? That is, are they able to decide whether or not they want to intermingle with other groups? How do you propose to teach whites “race consciousness” in light of their individual decisions? Must ALL whites ALL the time think and act like yourself?

    You knew exactly who BigBob was referring to when you responded to him, and in making the claim that whites have a propensity for violence yet now you are feigning ignorance about what defines a white person? But in a nutshell it’s any person who can trace their genetic heritage to Europe, England, Scandivania and perhaps Russia. Third world interlopers currently squatting in European nations are not and never will be racially European.

  63. What is the WEST ?

    It seems to be a word / relict from the past.The WEST is like the TITANIC.
    Since the 80’s more and more water is coming into the ship and the rulers are happy about this.

    It seems to me that the World should be changed in a worldwide favela with light-brown people.
    People in the the “WEST” have lost their idendification.History and their proud.They are easy manipulated and are “brought to accept” (= “voluntary force” or lose your Job and social Life / Existence) for the new “Plastic-Religion of Multiculti”.
    Today’s Generations have no Idealism and are …..fighting not for a better Future.They are “Atomized” ,egoistic and fixed on money.
    This makes it easy for the Sunni-Islam.Saudi’s must think that so much stupidity is a present from Allah.Europe is already lost.Just take a look in the schools and in the Cities.

    The USA will become a downgrade to a regional-superpower on the American Continent.China and India will become Allies in the fight against the Islam who rules Europe,Africa and most parts of Asia.

    The USA has so many “Think-Tanks” and they do nothing to stop this.

    So it seems to be a long-term plan.

    Because I learned 2 things:

    The real decision-makers are acting behind in the dark.
    Money rules the World.

    The last state who was an alternative was destroyed between 1914 – 1945.It was a State.
    Now it comes a worldwide religion and Millions of them are already in the “WEST” and working on their plan.

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  64. MarkinLA says:
    @Scripted Reality

    The USA has so many “Think-Tanks” and they do nothing to stop this.

    There is no thinking done there. These are in effect advertising agencies for political ideas the powerful people supporting these think tanks want. These guys create the advertising copy in the form of bogus studies that “scientifically” support some policy the wealthy supporters want.

  65. @Thirdeye

    “The Islamic Caliphates survived the fall of Rome quite nicely”

    The Western Roman Empire fell about 250 years before Mohammed was born. The Eastern Roman Empire (Constantinople/Byzantium) fell (to Muslim attack) about 700 years after Mohammed was born.

  66. @KenH

    “Either you live in a bubble or are purposely trying to be difficult. “

    The latter, I think, judging by his (Corvinus’) contributions elsewhere at this site.

  67. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “Are you Jewish, Muslim, black, Latino, mixed race?”



    I prefer the term “human being”.

    “free trade has shipped middle class jobs to low wage nations such as China, Mexico and Malaysia.”

    

A feature, not a bug, of capitalism. Do not companies have the liberty to maximize profits and minimize costs?

    “Socially since mass immigration has destroyed the social cohesion that existed when the U.S. and European nations were largely monoracial and monocultural (90-100% of European racial heritage).”

    First, the social cohesion of our country may be frayed, even tattered and torn, but it is hardly destroyed. Social upheaval has always played a prominent role in American history, and yet people come together and figure things out.

    Second, the U.S. was hardly “monoracial”–the origins of our country consisted of white, black, and native “blood”–and hardly “monocultural”–the English, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch, while European, settled the Americas wary of one another’s goals and intentions. They were never really cohesive, until several generations of colonists intermingled and intermarried, something unheard of in Europe.

    “Whites have the lowest fertility rates in the world.”

    Again, do whites have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children at their own pace?

    “Since the non-white third world is invading the white first world…”



    First, the “First World” were the invaders, I mean colonizers and settlers, spreading their “superior” culture around the world. Second, the “Third World” has been offered opportunities to settle here by citizens through their representatives. Now, do I have any issue with Americans saying “enough” to immigration? Of course not.

    “Black and Latinos are the most violent segment of U.S. society.”

    
Corrected for accuracy –> SOME blacks and Latinos, just like whites, engage in violent and immoral activities.

    “Virtually all rapes in Sweden are committed by Muslim and black African men.”



    That’s not entirely accurate. From Wikipedia…

    The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats Party has repeatedly made the claim that the high number of rape reports is at least partly due to the influx of Muslim immigrants.[33][34] According to crime victim surveys from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ), the actual rate of sex crimes has been more or less unchanged in Sweden between 2005 and 2014, despite the fact that immigration has increased during the same time period. Anti-immigration activists claim that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of rape when compared to native Swedes, for example that foreign born individuals were 5.5 times more likely to be charged of rape than individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents. Compared with a person born in Sweden with two Swedish parents, those who are born abroad are 2.5 times overrepresented in all criminal categories. Controlled for confounders, such as legal sex, age, income and education, this drops to 2.1 . For comparison, the figure for men is 3.5, for people with no high-school education it is 5.7, for people with an income of less than 4800 USD per year it is 5.3 and for people on welfare it is 6.1. People with both parents born in Sweden constitute 60% of all criminals, and about 26% of criminals are born outside the country. About 5% of all offenders are from Nordic countries besides Sweden and 2.8% from Africa and 3.4% from western Asia. Statistically less than 0.5% of immigrants have been suspected of a sex crime and less than 0.3% have been suspected for rape or attempted rape. Only a small fraction of all criminals are from Africa or western Asia.

    “While you’re at it please cite examples of “white people’s propensity for indiscriminate violence” as if we are the only racial group with this capability and propensity.”

    

I’m just trying to keep up with your race-baiting. But, if you insist…

    The total number of arrests in the US in 2013 (the last year tabulated) was 9,014,635, of which 6,214,197 were Whites (which includes Hispanics), 2,549,655 were Blacks and African Americans, while American Indian/Alaska Natives, Asians and Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders account for the rest (just under 3% of all arrests). The percentage of all arrests for the same year was 68.9% Whites and 28.3% Black or African American. The percentage of the US population for 2013 was broken down as follows: 316,497,531 total, with 77.7% of those being White, and 13.2% being Black.

    “Wherever non-whites settle in large numbers it no longer feels like America or an extension of European civilization.”

    

That is an opinion, not a “hard fact”. Again, you assume European civilization is the zenith of all civilization.

    “Dearborn, MI is a mini Muslim state within Michigan.”


    
Just like Little Italy. Just like Chinatown. Just like ANY ethnic enclave in America. Please educate yourself.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-are-americans.html

    “Black neighborhoods in major cities feel and look like Africa rather than America.”

    That is observably false. American society and African society are distinct.

    “For a race to survive there must be a certain degree of intolerance towards “the other” when two or more groups occupy the same living space.”

    The white race has survived and thrived in light of other races being within its midst. There does not have to be any degree of intolerance.

    “Japan China,Israel and many other nations have highly restrictive immigration laws to preserve their racial status quo.”



    Because those countries do not have the history of immigration like the United States.

    “Japan discriminates against its 2% Korean minority.”

    Considering Japan forcibly brought them there during Japan’s 1910-1945 colonial rule of Korea. And a number of Japanese, to their credit, are not too happy with current treatment of Koreans.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-discrimination-against-koreans-could-be-outlawed-japanese-lawmakers-argue-new-2038726

    “Yet, somehow my call for whites to be intolerant towards their non-white minorities is shocking to you even in the face of ample evidence that non-white minorities are intolerant and hostile towards whites in America and elsewhere.”

    Again, do “whites” have the liberty to make their own decisions about how they treat “non-whites”? Moreover, PEOPLE are intolerant and hostile of other PEOPLE.

    “Muslims and ISIS animals persecute and murder Christians who’ve been in the Middle East longer than they have.”

    So have Christians 🙂 It’s not surprising. Some people call religion an “opiate”. Perhaps they should read their holy book and learn the lessons from their Gods regarding how to treat people.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

    “But in a nutshell it’s any person who can trace their genetic heritage to Europe, England, Scandivania and perhaps Russia.

    A biological definition. What about the mixed peoples, like “mestizos”? Like “Latinos”? Like “mulattoes”? Do they not trace their genetic heritage to those countries or continent? Furthermore, recall that nativists in America described the Irish and Italians as “non-white”? Were they wrong in their assessment?

    “The latter, I think, judging by his (Corvinus’) contributions elsewhere at this site.”

    

Just keeping people honest 🙂

  68. @alexander

    You forget to mention that the massive influx of refugees from the Middle East…into Europe and the” West” is due first and foremost to the Neocon catastrophic wars of aggression that have eviscerated their home countries….and rendered them nearly uninhabitable .

    Nonsense.

    Sure, the Iraq debacle, the Syrian intervention have made those places more unstable. You could add Afghanistan but there’s been instability there … forever, it’s even less of a “nation” than most of those places. And Iraq and Syria have had plenty of “instability”–Iran\Iraq war, Anfal, Hama–before any neocon excitation.

    And most of these folks aren’t just Syrian or Iraqi, they are also from Yemen–a tribal conflict–Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt and pretty much anywhere else.

    And then … *Africa*. Pretty much all the folks doing the Mediterranean crossing are African and that’s been ramping up every year. Conditions there have essentially nothing to do with the neocons, that’s over population, tribal conflict, coupled with enough prosperity for folks to scrape together enough to make a run for it.

    First and foremost is simply that it’s better in Europe. They’ve got a much, much higher standard of living, generous welfare, better paying jobs, looser sexual mores (for the muslims, not the Africans) and with white women! Why wouldn’t a guy head there?

    And what’s really kicked off the influx … Europe’s not stopping them! That’s your “first and foremost”–Europe lacks the will to keep them out. Throughout history when a people with a rich land lack the will or power to keep people out … they are invaded. Europe has the power to keep folks out, but has shown a lack of will, and in fact is rolling out the welcome mat. So the invasion follows like water flowing down hill. Until Europe stops them, they will come.

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    , @alexander
  69. Kat Grey says:

    Multiculturalism is exotic and attractive for.many bored liberal whites (Ooh all those swirling robes, veils and funky dreadlocks). Until it’s no longer safe for their pretty white daughters to go outside the front door lest they return home with an immigrant’s baby starting in their bellies.

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  70. Talha says:
    @Kat Grey

    I don’t know the circles that you hang out with, but do you know any actual White women that do this and their specific reasons or are you just passing judgement?

    A little story…A nice family in California, Scandinavian heritage, had three pretty girls. One of them married a Pakistani who takes care of her, treats her well and provides for their kids without financial contribution on her part. Second girl married an Egyptian guy who treats her better than the Pakistani guy does her sister; he even does most of the cooking in the house and in fact, his mother-in-law basically now has a no-cost full-time chef in addition to a good son-in-law. Now for the third, girl; she married a white guy who was her boyfriend for 10 years – within a few short years of being married; he cheated on her, broke her heart and ditched her for another pair of legs. I know all this since I’m the Pakistani guy in the situation.

    Now you think that mother (who went into a depressive tailspin because of her third daughter’s situation and just recently got back on her feet) is going to give a flying damn about whether or not her third daughter eventually finds a man who is a Malay or a Somali or Chilean as long as he treats her with some decency? Do you think she’s holding out for the hope that maybe some guy will come along that’ll keep the European stock pure in her progeny?

    I see a lot of people complaining in these forums about White girls going with other races as if they are just helpless moths attracted to some flames they see here and there. Give them some credit for having brains – even if they make a choice you do not agree with. I would ask them their reasons before passing judgement. It may be that she is sick of being taken for granted by the White men that she has met and this ‘darkie’ actually treats her decently.

    Definitely NOT passing judgement on ALL White men here – many are good decent family men – but I think we should lay the blame at the feet of the jerks that assume pretty White women are their automatic lot in life that are pushing them into relationships with men from other backgrounds…

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  71. dahoit says:
    @Corvinus

    The will of stout men to die for freedom?sheesh.How about stout men who believed their govts lies and died for nothing,especially not our freedom.
    Yankee come home.

  72. KenH says:

    I prefer the term “human being”.

    I prefer the term coward. What are you so afraid of?

    A feature, not a bug, of capitalism. Do not companies have the liberty to maximize profits and minimize costs?

    Not when doing so results in a transfer of the nation’s technology and impoverishes the nations citizens. Western capitalists used to be loyal to their respective nations and fellow citizens but no longer. Funny how Israel doesn’t outsource its manufacturing sector and in fact is working to expand it with U.S. assistance.

    First, the social cohesion of our country may be frayed, even tattered and torn, but it is hardly destroyed. Social upheaval has always played a prominent role in American history, and yet people come together and figure things out.

    So you basically agree. Most social upheaval in America and elsewhere in the West is due to the presence of unassimilable racial minorities. Like the periodic Muslim rioting in France and other Euro nations and black rioting and large scale Latino protesting in America. No black slaves, no American civil war.

    Second, the U.S. was hardly “monoracial”–the origins of our country consisted of white, black, and native “blood”–and hardly “monocultural”–the English, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch, while European, settled the Americas wary of one another’s goals and intentions. They were never really cohesive, until several generations of colonists intermingled and intermarried, something unheard of in Europe.

    No, early America did not consist of white, black and Indians in equal numbers. Whites were the majority, most blacks were slaves (as were some whites in the form of indentured servants) and whites were at war with the Indians. Therefore, the 13 colonies were not an exercise in multiculturalism and racial equality as you are insinuating. State citizenship consisted of “free, white persons” regardless of ethnic origin. Early America was indeed a European colony consisting of several European ethnic groups, but the English were the majority and besides early language barriers all shared a common culture. Moreover, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted national citizenship to “Free, White persons”, so again you’ve lost the argument that America was founded as a creedal nation and multiracial experiment.

    Again, do whites have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children at their own pace?

    Define white person…..hahahahah.

    First, the “First World” were the invaders, I mean colonizers and settlers, spreading their “superior” culture around the world. Second, the “Third World” has been offered opportunities to settle here by citizens through their representatives. Now, do I have any issue with Americans saying “enough” to immigration? Of course not.

    For the record I do not agree with some of the imperialist actions of Europe and America in the 19th and 20th centuries, but it’s hardly unique. Muslims made repeated attempts to conquer Europe, the Mongols ravaged most of Asia, Russia and E. Europe and completely extirpated the advanced Islamic culture in Baghdad, butchering more than a million people. The Japanese invaded China and murdered 250,000 in Nanking alone. All believed themselves to be superior and Israeli Jews feel themselves not only superior to the Palestinian Muslims, but all of humanity. I could go on about depredations committed by the angelic non-whites, but you get the point.

    Majorities of Americans and Europeans want third world immigration curbed, but the so called “people’s representatives” listen more to the media, non-white racial activists, donors and lobbyists than they do their own constituents. Another fine example of how our governing structure has broken down.

    
Corrected for accuracy –> SOME blacks and Latinos, just like whites, engage in violent and immoral activities.

    It’s obvious that whites commit violent crimes, but not nearly at the rate of blacks and Latinos. Latinos are lumped in with whites which inflates the white crime states. They are considered by the FBI as “white” as crime offenders but Hispanic/Latino when they are a victims. The FBI will supposedly start collecting data for Latino offenders which should clear things up in the future. Assuming 1/3 of of the violent crimes supposedly committed by whites are in fact Hispanic/Latino then:

    Whites commit 33% of murders, Latinos 15% and blacks 50%
    Whites commit 30% of robberies, Latinos 13% and blacks 54%
    Whites commit 42% of aggravated assaults, Latinos 20%, and blacks 34%
    Whites commit 45% of rapes, Latinos 20% and blacks 35%

    It’s likely that Hispanic/Latino is much higher than the 1/3 I used which would lower the white violent crime rate even further, but the takeaway is that Whites, at 62% of the population, are underrepresented in all categories whereas Latinos commit violent crime at approximately their rate of the U.S. population or slightly higher (15-16%) while blacks are overrepresented by 2.5 to 4.5 times.

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

    That’s not entirely accurate. From Wikipedia…

    Funny how no statistics are cited to buttress the claim that immigrants commit less than .3% of all rapes. That’s because Sweden stopped collecting stats on rape after 2006. But from 1995-2006 the Swedish government found that Muslim men were 23 times more likely to commit rape than natives Swedish men. The Swedish government did not like those politically incorrect results, so stopped all further studies and the collection of statistics on rape.
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/sweden-opened-its-doors-to-muslim-immigration-today-its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/
    http://10news.dk/?p=519

    I’m just trying to keep up with your race-baiting. But, if you insist…

    The total number of arrests in the US in 2013 (the last year tabulated) was 9,014,635, of which 6,214,197 were Whites (which includes Hispanics), 2,549,655 were Blacks and African Americans, while American Indian/Alaska……….

    Refer to my earlier response above regarding crimes rates by race. Again Latinos and Middle Easterners are lumped in with whites inflating white crime rates, violent and otherwise.

    That is an opinion, not a “hard fact”. Again, you assume European civilization is the zenith of all civilization.

    Again, smart guy, if Euro civilization is not the zenith then why is Africa and the Middle East crashing the gates to get in? And why are Mexicans invading the U.S. with a miles long list of third world people who wish to come here legally? Why isn’t there a massive outflow of whites to third world countries who, according to you, are equivalent to the white West.

    Just like Little Italy. Just like Chinatown. Just like ANY ethnic enclave in America. Please educate yourself.

    Well champ, Italians are European people and have assimilated so there aren’t many little Italy’s anymore. But when I did go in to a Little Italy many years ago I didn’t feel like I was in a foreign land. There were American flags all over the place and people are very friendly, speak English and want to talk about sports, pop culture and politics. By contrast, when I was in a “Little Mexico” in a major city years ago there was loud babbling in Spanish, Mexican flags and cold, blank stares of the residents because I wasn’t in America anymore.

    But if we are all truly equal and interchangeable and assimilation is working wonders, then why are there any ethnic or racial enclaves any place in America or Europe? Could it be that race matters and birds of a feather flock together?

    That is observably false. American society and African society are distinct.

    Whatever Einstein. But I’m sure you live far, far away from the black urban jungles for believing that black ghettos are as American as apple pie.

    The white race has survived and thrived in light of other races being within its midst. There does not have to be any degree of intolerance.

    Non-whites white nations were very few in number until 1965 when sweeping changes in immigration laws favored non-whites instead of white Europeans. Now that many of these non-white groups have exponentially increased and have revealed themselves to be hostile to their gracious white hosts, it’s time for whites to repay them with intolerance and discrimination. No doubt you will deny this reality and come up with some weasel word rebuttal.

    Because those countries do not have the history of immigration like the United States.

    And neither does the U.S. While we have had periods of immigration (almost entirely from Europe until 1965) we were not founded as an immigrant nation. Concerning the immigration policies of Israel and other nations, it’s never too late for them to open up their borders to the entire world just like they expect the white West to do.

    Again, do “whites” have the liberty to make their own decisions about how they treat “non-whites”? Moreover, PEOPLE are intolerant and hostile of other PEOPLE.

    There you go again. Suddenly whites become “whites” when the discussion turns to defending their collective racial interests and adopting a new value system conducive to their survival that would include a degree of intolerance towards non-whites. According to you, whites are evil and have collectively done unspeakable things, but “whites” aren’t really a race and have no collective need or right to survive. Nothing like talking out of both sides of your mouth!

    So have Christians 🙂 It’s not surprising. Some people call religion an “opiate”. Perhaps they should read their holy book and learn the lessons from their Gods regarding how to treat people.

    Christians haven’t targeted non-Christians for killing in centuries and there is nothing in the New Testament that commands Christians to kill or forcibly convert non-Christians. You might want to research how Jews desecrated and destroyed churches while persecuting and murdering millions of Christians in Bolshevik Russia.
    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
    http://www.patriot.dk/churchill.html

    A biological definition. What about the mixed peoples, like “mestizos”? Like “Latinos”? Like “mulattoes”? Do they not trace their genetic heritage to those countries or continent? Furthermore, recall that nativists in America described the Irish and Italians as “non-white”? Were they wrong in their assessment?

    Yes, biological definitions just like Israel uses to determine who Jewish. Mulattoes and mestizos can only trace 50% or less of their genetic heritage to Europe, so they would not count. Regardless, many don’t wish to identify with or as whites anyway. Barack Hussein Obama is a prime example.

    While there was ethnic (not racial) bias against Irish and Italians there is no evidence that so called nativists viewed them as non-white. The bias was primarily due to the Catholic faith of the two groups since most Americans were Protestant. This proves that some white sub groups faced discrimination in America, so you’ve opened a Pandora’s box and unwittingly discredited your probable belief that only non-whites faced bias and discrimination in America.

    Just keeping people honest 🙂

    No, most of your replies are just an exercise in deception and dissembling.

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  73. Kat Grey says:
    @Talha

    Do you always speak on behalf of your wife?

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  74. Talha says:
    @Kat Grey

    I’ve been lured into those types of conversations by others in this site so I’ll pass on this one, thank you. She is more educated than me (university-wise) so she needs no coaching from me…

    Let’s just assume my wife can’t stand me and can’t wait until the kids are older to file the divorce papers. But, factually, I’ve never cheated on her and I already admitted that my Egyptian brother in law is a way better husband than I am. The other parts of the anecdote are true and I just used them to illustrate a simple point that many White women may have very good reasons to ditch men of their own background if they have sour experiences. It may have zero to do with the ‘allure’ of some unfamiliar culture, rather just a feminine need to be treated reasonably decently.

    Are all foreign or non-White men good husbands or boyfriends? Far from it – my point was just to say things have to be looked at case-by-case.

  75. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    Dahoit–”The will of stout men to die for freedom?sheesh.”

    There are observably millions of thousands of “stout men” residing in the United States.

    KenH…

    “I prefer the term coward. What are you so afraid of?”

    I didn’t realize me saying that I’m a human being first and foremost is so offensive to you.

    “Western capitalists used to be loyal to their respective nations and fellow citizens but no longer.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> Western capitalists look out for the bottom for themselves AND for their country.

    “Funny how Israel doesn’t outsource its manufacturing sector…”

    

The United States is not Israel, and Israel is not the United States. Two distinct economies who play by their own “rules”.

    “So you basically agree. Most social upheaval in America and elsewhere in the West is due to the presence of unassimilable racial minorities.”

    

No, I assuredly do NOT agree. Social chaos in the United States is a combination of integrated factors.

    “No black slaves, no American civil war.”



    No black slaves, No America as we know it.

    “Therefore, the 13 colonies were not an exercise in multiculturalism and racial equality as you are insinuating.”

    You are ignorant of your own history. Colonial America was a melting pot from the onset. By 1775, Germans constituted six percent of the population; the Scots-Irish were about seven percent of the population. BOTH had no love for the British government, but they were certainly becoming immersed into the “new” America. Five percent consisted of French Hugenots, the Welsh, the Dutch, and the Jews. Twenty percent consisted of Africans, including freedmen in the North that developed their own communities. As these various immigrant groups mingled and intermarried–unheard of in Europe–they laid the foundations for what we know is an American, i.e. a “mutt”.

    “Moreover, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted national citizenship to “Free, White persons””


    
Which is a product of the time period. You do realize philosophies and attitudes change, right?

    “Define white person…..hahahahah.”

    Again, do whites have the liberty to choose whether or not to have children at their own pace? It is a straightforward question.

    “For the record I do not agree with some of the imperialist actions of Europe and America in the 19th and 20th centuries…I could go on about depredations committed by the angelic non-whites, but you get the point.”

    These depredations and degradations are consisting with HUMAN behavior.

    “Majorities of Americans and Europeans want third world immigration curbed, but the so called “people’s representatives” listen more to the media, non-white racial activists, donors and lobbyists than they do their own constituents.”

    How about YOU run as a representative or Senator? I’m sure you will find support.

    “It’s obvious that whites commit violent crimes, but not nearly at the rate of blacks and Latinos.”



    Are you like Dorothy tapping her red shoes? Latinos are whites. You just said that “whites” consist of people who can trace their heritage to Europe.

    “That’s because Sweden stopped collecting stats on rape after 2006.”

Gang rape, not individual rape.

    “But from 1995-2006 the Swedish government found that Muslim men were 23 times more likely to commit rape than natives Swedish men.”

    

Actually, it was in 1995 for that statistic. Twenty-one years ago. Furthermore, you glossed over this key fact–According to crime victim surveys from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ), the actual rate of sex crimes has been more or less unchanged in Sweden between 2005 and 2014, despite the fact that immigration has increased during the same time period.

    “Funny how no statistics are cited to buttress the claim that immigrants commit less than .3% of all rapes.”

    

Obviously, if there is a result, there were statistics. Actually, you’re going to have talk to (BRÅ), since they collected the data.

    “Again, smart guy, if Euro civilization is not the zenith then why is Africa and the Middle East crashing the gates to get in?”

    

Whites like to leave mess everywhere. It’s in-born.

    “And why are Mexicans invading the U.S. with a miles long list of third world people who wish to come here legally?”



    They’re not invading, they were asked to come here in a number of cases.

    “Well champ, Italians are European people and have assimilated so there aren’t many little Italy’s anymore.”

    It is evident 
you haven’t traveled to a number of major urban areas in the States.

    “By contrast, when I was in a “Little Mexico” in a major city years ago there was loud babbling in Spanish, Mexican flags and cold, blank stares of the residents because I wasn’t in America anymore.”

    That is anecdotal evidence, which is not necessarily true.

    “But I’m sure you live far, far away from the black urban jungles for believing that black ghettos are as American as apple pie.”



    Not all blacks are dangerous, nor embrace the “hood” lifestyle. Most are actually civil and civilized. You really need to get out more.

    “While we have had periods of immigration (almost entirely from Europe until 1965) we were not founded as an immigrant nation.”

    Sorry, you had just stated that “early America was indeed a European colony consisting of several European ethnic groups”. They emigrated here.

    “According to you, whites are evil and have collectively done unspeakable things, but “whites” aren’t really a race and have no collective need or right to survive.”



    You erected a strawman. Are you one of the three pigs?

    “Christians haven’t targeted non-Christians for killing in centuries…”

    Ok, I just provided a source how Christians in the Central African Republic are targeting Muslims just because of their religious practices.

    “You might want to research how Jews desecrated and destroyed churches while persecuting and murdering millions of Christians in Bolshevik Russia.”
    
Just like EVERY group known to humankind.

    “Mulattoes and mestizos can only trace 50% or less of their genetic heritage to Europe, so they would not count.”

    No, no, no. You are now moving the goalposts. You never offered that caveat to begin with.

    “Suddenly whites become “whites” when the discussion turns to defending their collective racial interests and adopting a new value system conducive to their survival that would include a degree of intolerance towards non-whites.


    Define “white”. Define “non-white”. Are “whites” able to think for themselves when it comes to “race survival”? That is, are they able to decide whether or not they want to intermingle with other groups? How do you propose to teach whites “race consciousness” in light of their individual decisions? Must ALL whites ALL the time think and act like yourself?

    “While there was ethnic (not racial) bias against Irish and Italians there is no evidence that so called nativists viewed them as non-white.”



    You would be in error.

    https://www.tenement.org/encyclopedia/nativism_discrim.htm

    While Germans were subject to some nativist discrimination, the Anglo-Saxon and Teutonic “races” were considered to be quite similar, and therefore the “whiteness” of German immigrants went unquestioned, for the most part. Catholic immigrants, especially the destitute from famine-ravaged Ireland, were seen as especially dangerous. Taking their cue from British politicians, native-born Americans consistently racialized Irish immigrants, linking them to a fixed set of physical and psychological traits that include simian-like features and a violent, savage nature, much like those applied to African Americans during the same period. Such images appeared regularly in cartoons, popular jokes, and political speeches well into the late nineteenth century, fueled by nativist critics and elite reformers who were fearful of the growing influence of the Irish in politics, the Catholic Church, and city services. In addition, many Americans viewed Irish Americans’ continued devotion to the fight to rid Ireland of British rule as evidence of a divided loyalty and fierce nature.


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  76. alexander says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hi “Another Dad”,

    You make some good points….but have you read the UN report on the refugee status in Syria ?

    Have you ? its a “disaster”.

    The conflict there has ravaged that nation…its 10,000 times worse than it was in 2010…there are in excess of 20 million refugees…now.

    As a matter of fact the status of ‘refugees” from war-torn areas, is the highest its been since WWII.

    If you think these regions are just “unstable”…think again…because its horrific…,Really ,really bad…and just getting worse.

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  77. alexander says:
    @Donna

    Hi Donna,

    I never made the comparison.

    The point I am making , to be succinct, is if we initiate a war of aggression in a foreign country that never attacked us, rendering that country, through the destruction of its entire infrastructure, uninhabitable, you are suggesting that it does” not” create a refugee crisis ? I am suggesting that it inevitably does.

    Read the latest UN report.

    The status of ‘refugees from war-torn areas is perhaps the worst it has been since WWII.

  78. Kat Grey says:

    So should we destroy an entire continent, civilisation and people to “do the right thing” by taking in thousands even millions of military age Middle Eastern men?

  79. Avery says:
    @alexander

    {You make some good points….but have you read the UN report on the refugee status in Syria ?
    …there are in excess of 20 million refugees…now.}

    Estimated 2014 population of Syria is 17 million.
    It is not possible to have 20 million Syrian refugees from a population of 17 million.

    Which UN report are you referring to ?

  80. alexander says:

    Hi Avery,

    Actually the number is over “59 million people” displaced from wars , conflict and chaos..in the Middle East.and Africa…but you are correct the crisis is not” exclusive” to the catastrophe in Syria. but includes, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen…and others….

    The report was from June 18, 2015, …the UN Refugee Agency…or UNHCR…the article I read was in the Washington Post..

    You can go over the report…both in the Post and the UNHCR web site….June 18, 2015.

    There is a lot of suffering out there……a lot.

  81. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In France and England, the whites have dropped to ~66% of births.

    This trend of vanishing whites is real, but this is exaggerated:

    From 2005: “Of 649,371 babies born in 2005, 64.4 per cent were recorded as ‘White British’.”

    That’s excluding other European white groups like French, Russian, Polish, etc. That’s excluding births that don’t list ethnicity and excluding mixed race births.

    From 2014: 1.9 children born/woman. 26.5% births to foreign born mothers. That includes many white mothers from elsewhere in Europe as well as non-whites.

    Changing birth rate trends requires will power and nothing more. Creating babies is a pretty low tech well understood process that can be changed. This isn’t magic.

  82. alexander says:
    @AnotherDad

    Dear “AnotherDad”,

    Might I add, that the “refugees” from the catastrophic “Neocon” wars of aggression are but one “aspect” of the enormous tragedy caused by “their” rapacious desire to defraud the United States into war….There are in excess of one million people..”dead” as a result of it….”anotherDad”.

    .The overwhelmingly vast majority of whom , were and are completely” innocent” of any wrong doing..whatsoever..they were just living their lives…just like you do…

    How terrible.

    Then ,let us consider, the truly “obscene” amounts of money the United States has spent to prosecute these wars of aggression… against millions of people who never attacked us at all.

    Do you” realize” that in the last decade and a half our national debt has” ballooned” from 5.7 trillion dollars…to an almost “mind bending 18.7 “trillion “dollars ?

    Do you realize that, “AnotherDad” ?

    I have never seen anything like it in my life…

    ….that the United States of America would go nearly ” bankrupt” prosecuting illegal wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us and never intended to….is just unconscionable….

    ….and that we could cause such immense pain and suffering to tens of millions of innocent people….totally innocent people.

    How disgusting….how shameful….and how profoundly un-American.

    My god man, how I wish it was “nonsense”……I truly do.

  83. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    Which is a product of the time period. You do realize philosophies and attitudes change, right?

    Show me in the Constitution or in the writings of the founders where this country was supposed to change from a republic peopled by “free, white persons” to a polyglot, multicultural democracy peopled by non-whites from the third world. Attitudes really didn’t change and America is still largely segregated by race. From 1776 until 1965 the consensus was that America was and should remain a white nation. Where they did change it was largely by force (forcible racial integration) the power of Jewish media moguls in framing racial issues and the carrot and stick for public officials. The elites in America and Europe have seceded from their native white populations and unilaterally decided to elect a new people which is unprecedented in world history.

    Whites like to leave mess everywhere. It’s in-born.

    You said we are “whites” with an imprecise racial definition, so whites have never left a mess anywhere because we don’t really exist according to you.

    These depredations and degradations are consisting with HUMAN behavior.

    I see, when non-whites commit horrible acts it’s normal human behavior and much ado about nothing, but when whites (or “whites” according to you) do it it’s cause for soul searching, self flagellation, reparations and the abolishment of white racial identity.

    That is anecdotal evidence, which is not necessarily true.

    So my eyes, ears and senses are wrong because you say so? It’s common knowledge that when blacks and Latinos move in (especially blacks) whites move out because each group acts different and adheres to different cultural standards and value systems which are irreconcilable with white culture. Most blacks reject white standards of behavior since that is “acting white” and “selling out”.

    No, no, no. You are now moving the goalposts. You never offered that caveat to begin with.

    Yes, yes, yes. That’s just common sense and as I stated earlier the vast majority of mestizos/Latinos and mulattoes don’t wish to identify with or as whites anyway. It’s just like a coywolf is neither coyote nor wolf but a combination of the two and an entirely new subspecies. Mestizos are mostly Indian with varying degrees of European admixture. Most blacks in the U.S. have some degree of white Euro DNA so are you saying they’re white, too? By your standard, then, practically everyone with a tincture of European blood is white/European.

    You would be in error.

    No champ, I have both Irish and Italian ancestors and know what they did and did not go through. They did not cry, whine, demand special rights and privileges and riot and loot like blacks and in some cases Latinos do. They worked hard, assimilated and proved their detractors wrongs.

    But it really doesn’t matter and this is all moot because, according to you, there is only “white” and human beings and nothing else in between.

    Oh, and one last thing. Seems Africans and Muslims in Europe, who you claim are incapable of committing rape or sexual assault against white women, did precisely that over new year’s:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3386673/Women-Cologne-lockdown-council-admits-no-longer-safe-wake-African-Arab-mob-s-rapes-declares-upcoming-carnival-no-area-females.htm

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  84. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “As to who is doing the judging, Divine Providence.”

    
And you know the manner by which He is judging? Like, as in His actual Judgement toward me and you and everyone? How do YOU know these verdicts? What about those individuals who practice a different religion? How are they being judged?

    “Rome’s empire lasted so long because its elite were wise enough to know the limits of Roman power. “

    You would be historically inaccurate—Being the Roman emperor had always been a particularly dangerous job, but during 200 and 300 A.D. it was a death sentence. Civil war thrust the empire into chaos. More than 20 men took the throne in the span of only 75 years, usually after the murder of their predecessor. The Praetorian Guard—the emperor’s personal bodyguards—assassinated and installed new sovereigns at will, and once even auctioned the spot off to the highest bidder. The political rot also extended to the Roman Senate, which failed to temper the excesses of the emperors due to its own widespread corruption and incompetence.

    “Yes, the war in Europe would have ended in a negotiated peace without the idiot Wilson’s blundering into European affairs to placate his Zionist blackmailers.”

    Again, do you have any source material to back up your claim? Who are these “Zionist blackmailers”?

    “FDR and the British War Party realized that National Socialist Germany’s economic policies and system of barter trade would have dealt a death blow to the economic hegemony of Wall St. and the City of London.”

    Listen, if you are going to speak with any authority on these matters, you must submit proof, not recycled conspiracy theories.

    “Ever hear of the Lindemann Plan?

    Of course there will be attacks that are deliberate in order for a nation to win a war. Some say there is a war taking place now. Are you ready to go to battle, or be an armchair warrior?

    
Civilians are put at risk by their collective decision to go to war. They comprehend the consequences. They will be targeted. They will die.

    “Indeed. Germany would have extirpated the Bolsheviks (particularly the radical Judeo-Bolsheviks) in Russia; the Middle East would never have been partitioned and divvied up like spoils from a poker night, and the American military industrial complex (brought to being by the likes of Theodore Roosevelt, Hay, and Mahan) would have been strangled in its crib.”

    You can only make an (un)educated guess. By stating “would”, you are argument that you know for absolutely certainty. Ok, so how do YOU ultimately know compared to everyone else?

    “The murder of European Christian (and inarguably many Jewish) civilians through area bombing was the real “holocaust” of the Second World War, not the contrived Allied propaganda of “gas chambers” which never existed.”

    Niwdog’s Law—As an online discussion continues with multiple posters, the likelihood of a person making assertions that the Jews are behind everything in the world that is “bad” exponentially grows.

  85. Corvinus says:

    You know, it’s hard dueling the Coalition of the Right Fringes b-team players when they are eager to get to the A-list, and their arguments bleed into one another. The above comment was meant for someone else.

    Let’s try this again.

    “Show me in the Constitution or in the writings of the founders where this country was supposed to change from a republic peopled by “free, white persons” to a polyglot, multicultural democracy peopled by non-whites from the third world.”

    The Constitution states that the citizens of the country through their representatives have the liberty to decide who emigrates to America. At one point, it was “free, white person”, which was the common attitudes at that juncture.

    “From 1776 until 1965 the consensus was that America was and should remain a white nation.”

    Sources?

    “Where they did change it was largely by force (forcible racial integration) the power of Jewish media moguls in framing racial issues and the carrot and stick for public officials.”

    Niwdog’s Law—As an online discussion continues with multiple posters, the likelihood of a person making assertions that the Jews are behind everything in the world that is “bad” exponentially grows.

    “I see, when non-whites commit horrible acts it’s normal human behavior and much ado about nothing, but when whites (or “whites” according to you) do it it’s cause for soul searching, self flagellation, reparations and the abolishment of white racial identity.”

    Not what I said. Human beings, which include whites and non-whites, commit horrible acts. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    “It’s common knowledge that when blacks and Latinos move in (especially blacks) whites move out because each group acts different and adheres to different cultural standards and value systems which are irreconcilable with white culture.”

    Congratulations on the generalization trifecta.

    “Mestizos are mostly Indian with varying degrees of European admixture. Most blacks in the U.S. have some degree of white Euro DNA so are you saying they’re white, too?”

    
Based on YOUR logic, you say these groups are white—“But in a nutshell it’s any person who can trace their genetic heritage to Europe, England, Scandivania and perhaps Russia.

    “That’s just common sense and as I stated earlier the vast majority of mestizos/Latinos and mulattoes don’t wish to identify with or as whites anyway.”

    

Correct. The vast majority, like whites, wish to identify as “American”. Are Americans who are white able to NOT identify with their “whiteness”? Or, will you shame them into submission, which apparently is your obsession.

    Define “white”. Define “non-white”. Are “whites” able to think for themselves when it comes to “race survival”? That is, are they able to decide whether or not they want to intermingle with other groups? How do you propose to teach whites “race consciousness” in light of their individual decisions? Must ALL whites ALL the time think and act like yourself?

    “They did not cry, whine, demand special rights and privileges and riot and loot like blacks and in some cases Latinos do.”

    That’s not what I properly corrected you on. You made the claim that there was no evidence that nativists called the Irish (and Italians) as non-white. You now have to offer a rebuttal to that evidence. Do you understand how discourse works?

    “according to you, there is only “white” and human beings and nothing else in between.”

    According to me, there are human beings who happen to be white, black, Buddhist, Hispanic, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Asian, etc.

    “Seems Africans and Muslims in Europe, who you claim are incapable of committing rape or sexual assault against white women.”

    No, that’s not what I stated. YOU have made this claim. It’s called a strawman. Why are you anti-human?

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