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“This is the question that is going to dominate the election: How did you perform in the great crisis?”

So says GOP Congressman Tom Cole of Oklahoma in today’s New York Times.

GOP National Committeeman Henry Barbour of Mississippi calls the crisis “a defining moment… The more (Trump) reassures Americans, gives them the facts and delivers results, the harder it will be for Joe Biden.”

Indeed, it is not a stretch to say Trump’s presidency will stand or fall on the resolution of the coronavirus crisis and how Trump is perceived as having led us in that battle. Recent polls appear to confirm that.

Though daily baited by a hostile media for being late to recognize the severity of the crisis, in one Gallup poll a week ago, Trump was at 49% approval, the apogee of his presidency, with 60% of the nation awarding him high marks for his handling of the pandemic.

What was the public’s assessment of how Trump’s antagonists in the media have performed in America’s great medical crisis?

Of 10 institutions, with hospitals first, at 88% approval, the media came in dead last, the only institution whose disapproval, at 55%, exceeded the number of Americans with a favorable opinion of their performance.

The media are paying a price in lost reputation with the nation they claim to represent by reassuming the role of “adversary press” in a social crisis where, whatever one’s view of Donald Trump, the country wants the president to succeed.

If Biden begins to mimic a hostile media, baiting Trump at every turn, pointing out conflicts in his views, Joe will invite the same fate the media seem to have brought upon themselves.

Since that Gallup poll, Trump has been seen daily by millions in the role of commander in chief. He speaks from the podium in the White House briefing room or the Rose Garden just outside the Oval Office. He is invariably flanked by respected leaders in medicine, science, business and economics. All appear as Trump allies, and Trump treats them as his field commanders in the war on the virus.

And Joe Biden? He pops up infrequently in interviews out of the basement of his Delaware home where, sheltering in place, he reads short scripted speeches from a teleprompter.

And Biden’s presence has been wholly eclipsed by daily televised appearances of Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who is at the epicenter of the crisis in New York. Cuomo is taking on the aspect of both rival and partner to Trump.

What Trump is doing calls to mind Richard Nixon’s “Rose Garden strategy” in 1972. Though goaded by the press, Nixon avoided attacking his opponent, George McGovern, and declined to engage him on issues. Instead, Nixon used the Rose Garden to highlight popular initiatives.

Candidate Nixon’s campaign strategy in 1972 was not to campaign.

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But if Biden cannot gather crowds to hear him in a time of social distancing, how does he get his message out? How does he attack Trump without appearing to undermine the president in his role as a wartime commander in chief, where America wants Trump to succeed?

How does a basement-bound Biden compete with Trump in the Oval Office, Cabinet Room, East Room and Rose Garden?

Whom does Biden call upon to rival Trump’s instant access to respected leaders eager to come and stand beside the president in the most serious crisis since World War II?

How does Biden recapture the spotlight of Super Tuesday?

Sen. Bernie Sanders wants Biden to come out and debate. But that seems a no-win proposition.

Moreover, when Biden appears on camera, he often seems confused and forgetful, loses his train of thought and doesn’t remember what he came to say. The sense that Biden is losing it is taking hold, and not only on the Republican right.

Democrats have to be looking closely at Cuomo’s success, as they wonder how Biden will stand up in the debates with Trump six months from now.

And what lies ahead for Democrats when spring turns into summer?

The Tokyo Olympics, scheduled to begin July 24, have been postponed until 2021. The Democratic National Convention, scheduled for Milwaukee even earlier in July, has yet to be postponed.

But if Tokyo recognizes it would be a terrible risk to the health of athletes and spectators to have people come from all over the world to Japan this summer, would it not also be an intolerable risk to have Americans from all 50 states and U.S. territories arrive for a week of mingling in midsummer in Milwaukee?

For Biden to win this election, Trump must lose it.

And the one way Trump can lose it is the perception on the part of a majority of Americans that he has proven an ineffectual president in America’s worst pandemic since the Spanish flu of 1918.

If Trump is seen as the victor over the virus, Biden is toast.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. SMK says: • Website

    The Chinese-Wuhan virus may help Biden is reducing the number of occasions and situations in which he exposes himself as a senile buffoon who doesn’t know what city or state he’s in or what day or year it is or regales a crowd with tall-tales of his heroism or disgusts them with creepy stories like “corn-pop” and kids rubbing his hariy legs and so forth.

    • LOL: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  2. Crazy Horse says: • Website

    I doubt if Biden would win an election even if he was only running against himself. The man makes GW look like a Mensa candidate fer christ sakes.

    The democrats have managed to outdo themselves by running a candidate that’s even worse than Hillary Clinton.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  3. mijj says:

    One thing Biden could do is acknowledge that it’s possible the virus originated in the US and demand an open technical investigation aimed at truth and not propaganda (if that’s at all possible in the US)

  4. I have two observations. First, if you do the electoral college math, there are about 140 electoral votes that go to the Democratic candidate even if that party ran Satan himself or a zombie corpse. Second, by November the economic consequences of the present shutdown/social distancing will be increasingly apparent and they won’t be pretty. And don’t be surprised if the media and scientific community that are now hysterically proclaiming COVID-19 to be worse than the Black Death turn on a dime, and say it never was more than a slightly worse than average flu season to which Trump overreacted.

  5. swamped says:

    “The Tokyo Olympics, scheduled to begin July 24, have been postponed until 2021. The Democratic National Convention, scheduled for Milwaukee even earlier in July, has yet to be postponed”…if this shit isn’t over by July, this country will have a lot more to worry about than the Democratic National Convention. There will be riots in the streets that will make Grant Park ’68 look like a picnic; setting the stage for martial law. If the dopey Dem’s really want to prove how “welcoming” & “inclusive” they are, they should probably move their convention to NYC & dine out every night in Chinatown. Gov. Cuomo & his equally clueless brother can dress in drag to complete the diversity clown show & then maybe we can do the country a favor & quarantine the whole damn DNC.

    • LOL: Realist
  6. Renoman says:

    The only hope for America is if Biden dies or is declared incompetent [which he is] and Sanders beats Trump. Otherwise you are all completely screwed.

  7. Exile says:

    Pat Buchanan remains loyal to the party after all they’ve said and done to him over the years. It’s tragically admirable on a personal level but it shows why being “Right After All” sometimes isn’t enough.

    Trump hasn’t exactly been gracious to Pat on a personal level over the years, either.

    I’m reminded of Mel Gibson’s Wallace, with the Bruce serially selling him out and reaping the rewards while poor Wallace pays the price.

    America is no country for honorable men anymore. It isn’t even a country now, just an economic zone filled with mistrustful strangers.

  8. Realist says:

    Is the Pandemic Killing Biden’s Bid?

    No the shit between his ears is killing his bid.

    • Replies: @Jets
  9. Realist says:
    @Renoman

    The only hope for America is if Biden dies…

    Yes, his body may as well follow his brain.

  10. Realist says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I have two observations. First, if you do the electoral college math, there are about 140 electoral votes that go to the Democratic candidate even if that party ran Satan himself or a zombie corpse.

    Which actually did happen in 2016.

    • LOL: gsjackson
  11. Trump’s already lost it. He looks more like a deer caught in the headlights in his rambling addresses to the nation than a confident leader. And the death tolls haven’t even spiked yet. It’s one thing to tolerate a slick con man when all is well, another when his incompetence is actually killing members of your family. Biden will be an even more perfect front man for the oligarchy than Reagan, already senile before he even gets into office.

    • Replies: @A123
  12. A123 says:

    The event is clearly taxing Biden’s dwindling mental capability. Not only is he having problems with details, he also makes obvious blunders such as referring to Luhan instead of Wuhan.

    The DNC has to find some way to replace him.

    PEACE 😷

  13. Biden still doing interviews from [the]home, is he?

    Poor Biden. They promoted him only to knock out Sanders, and now they’re pushing Cuomo hard, so he can crash and burn.

  14. @SMK

    I agree with you and disagree with Pat about Biden’s sheltering-in-place damaging his campaign. Far from it, as far as the campaign goes, Covid-19 has been a godsend to Biden, who takes pot shots at Trump without having any responsibility. The more one sees of him, the more one realizes that the man is no longer there. The less one sees of Biden, the better his chances are. Now, if he the Party can just find a way to avoid debating Trump, who, let’s face it, is doing a daily C-19 high-wire act with a hostile press which may or may not succeed.

    Btw, Biden being the Dem nominee is hardly a lead-pipe cinch. Making him their standard bearer opens the Party up to mass ridicule, and may even hurt them down ballot (I so want to see 80 year-old Pelosi relegated to the back bench). This latest accusation of attempted rape in the ’90’s could be one way to derail him. But, so far, the party of #metoo only applies that standard to republicans.

    Beware of Godfather Cuomo, who is waiting in the wings.

  15. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Consider: Of what importance is this Red v Blue politics-as-sports-ball when both “sides” vote overwhelmingly to give the people another hosing to bail out their true constituents on Wall Street? Seriously, who cares?

    We can all be sheared as long as enough sheep keep voting. That’s why Mr. Paleoconservative keeps pushing this desiccated Beltway baloney.

  16. A123 says:
    @Observator

    Trump’s already lost it. He looks more like a deer caught in the headlights in his rambling addresses to the nation than a confident leader.

    The Fake Stream Media outlets are fleeing in fear trying to avoid covering the Trump briefings. Given how much they despise Trump, if they were negative they would be eager to cover them. The only possible reason for CNN, MSNBC, and NPR to deny coverage is because Trump’s briefings are positive and effective.

    Trump’s approval numbers are up significantly. Swing voters with open minds disagree with your obviously biased opinion about the briefings.
    _____

    Imagine how horrific briefings without notes or teleprompters would be if they were given by Biden or Barack Hussein.

    Biden cannot give a coherent briefing with technical aides.

    PEACE 😷

  17. “Whom does Biden call upon to rival Trump’s instant access to respected leaders eager to come and stand beside the president in the most serious crisis since World War II?”

    What is wrong with this query? Let us count the ways….

    Pat has always been infected with Potomac fever notwithstanding the presence of powerful anti-bodies.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  18. @Diversity Heretic

    CDC head Anthony Fauci has already changed his tune. In the 3-26 edition of the “New England Journal of Medicine” Dr. Fauci wrote an article entitled “Covid-19 – Navigating the Uncharted”:

    “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approx.0.1%).”

    I was going to write more, but decided to just let Fauci’s statement stand.

    • Agree: AaronInMVD
  19. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Diversity Heretic

    by November the economic consequences of the present shutdown/social distancing will be increasingly apparent and they won’t be pretty.

    Yep. At the moment we’re seeing the normal public reaction to a crisis – rallying behind the incumbent leader. If the election were held next week Trump would win the biggest landslide in history.

    But give it six months and with the economy in ruins, with thousands of small businesses having closed their doors never to reopen them, with unemployment likely to be very very high (some sectors of the economy such as airlines may never recover), the massive temporary spike in support for Trump could evaporate. When people realise that things are not going to quickly return to normal they may become very angry and very disillusioned. They’ll be looking much more critically at Trump’s handling of the crisis. In which case Trump may well be toast.

    The problem with having the public whipped up into a state of hysteria is that they become very volatile. It’s impossible even to guess what the mood of the voters will be seven months from now.

  20. Some numbers to ponder:

    68,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Shanghai resulting in 353 confirmed cases.
    70,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Beijing resulting in 442 confirmed cases.
    74,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Chongqing resulting in 576 confirmed cases.
    168,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Guangzhou resulting in 1,357 confirmed cases. (2,728)
    1,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Iran resulting in 12,729 confirmed cases.
    1,000 Chinese from Wuhan visit Italy resulting in 21,157 confirmed cases.
    How come visitors from Wuhan to major Chinese cities have almost zero transmission rate?
    How come visitors from Wuhan to foreign countries have a very high transmission rate?
    Wuhan is in the middle of China.
    Why did the disease spread massively overseas but hardly spread at all to the major Chinese cities?
    How is that possible?
    1 in 139 domestic Chinese transmission rate (0.7%)
    The same mythical “carrier” infects 12.7 people in Iran and 21 in Italy.
    The “virus” is 1,765 times more contagious in Iran, and 2,919 times in Italy. (Ed.)

  21. AaronInMVD says: • Website
    @mijj

    He can’t really do this. Being part of the estalishment means he has to defend a lot of party lines however indefensible they may be in practice. Biden’s got some poorly produced potshots, and… not much else.

    He doesn’t even has his usual groping to fall back on. Maybe Biden’s heart isn’t in the race anymore? If social distancing means Biden can’t grope, he might not see any point to campaigning at all.

    • Replies: @hetro
  22. jsinton says:
    @Thomas Milton

    It’s quite simple. The Chinese always lie for political reasons. Just like their latest PMI index: Back to pre virus levels. They are hiding the magnitude of the deaths. It’s a feature, not a bug.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  23. But if Biden cannot gather crowds to hear him in a time of social distancing, how does he get his message out?

    OTOH, this means no new pictures of Creepy Uncle Joe nuzzling the necks of some poor schlub’s wife or daughter between now and the election.

  24. jsinton says:

    It’s hard for me to understand why the Democratic establishment saw fit to impose Joe Biden upon the electorate after Ukrainegate, Senilegate, CreepyJoegate, and now MeToogate. The virus might be a good excuse of why Joe loses, nothing more.

  25. botazefa says:
    @Thomas Milton

    This is total speculation: Maybe Italy, Iran, et al are inflating their numbers in the hope of getting reparations from China at some point in the future.

    Your theory – that China is cheating the numbers, is pretty compelling to me.

  26. @mijj

    mijj said:

    One thing Biden could do is acknowledge that it’s possible the virus originated in the US and demand an open technical investigation aimed at truth and not propaganda (if that’s at all possible in the US)”

    No, that is not possible. Any such investigation, regardless of the results, would imply that the MSM and the Deep State (one and the same) were wrong in their narrative for this virus.

    Maybe the virus originated naturally in China as a result of bizarre social practices. Or maybe it didn’t. But the MSM won’t accept any scrutiny, and the Deep State certainly does not want any close examination of DARPA experiments in 2018/9 with coronaviruses in bats.

    https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/msu-project-to-prevent-bat-borne-diseases-wins-million-grant/article_805eb8ec-763c-53ff-87da-3d9c2466cd61.html

  27. @mijj

    That would win him the support of the tinfoil hat crowd. But they don’t vote. It would drive most of the remaining white Democrat voters to stay home.

  28. @mijj

    What? Are you kidding? Joe couldn’t remember all of that.

    • Replies: @Jets
  29. @Renoman

    Yep, a Sanders presidency would give us permanent shortages and 32% unemployment. Just like the pandemic never left.

  30. @Renoman

    Biden isn’t going to unseat Trump, because it’s the GOP’s turn at two terms. Even that retard Biden knows that. Haven’t you been watching the elections for the past 20 years?

  31. Trump needs to propose Medicare for All.

    • Replies: @Rob (London)
    , @MarkinLA
  32. I”m a lifelong conservative and a steadfast Republican voter. I’m also a retired Ph.D. from Baylor College of Medicine (1988) and I have worked in some of the most dangerous genetic engineering, toxicology, clinical chemistry and scientific research roles than almost 999999.99% of the U.S. population.

    Trump has grossly mishandled this pandemic from the beginning. He’s a complete idiot regarding science, epidemiology, virology, public health and leadership in a genuine, country-threatening crisis. Every morning, I hear of another innanity from Trump on how to proceed to, not only keep the American people safe, but also, HOW TO RESCUE US AS IT’S CLEAR WE’RE NO LONGER SAFE.

    I dispise Biden, the grifter. I can’t stomach voting for him. I’ve become the same way about Trump as he’s a perfect idiot in a pinch like COVID-19.

    I voted for Trump in 2016. It was easy as Hillary is a grifter of the same caliber as Biden is now.

    That said, I’ll be staying home on election day in November. I have no reason to use my vote as an endorsement of either presidential candidate or their parties with my time and my vote.

  33. @Diversity Heretic

    You appear to be a bit of an optimist. Here’s a maxim you might wish to absorb.

    Optimists make very poor crisis managers.

  34. @jsinton

    Yup, those lying Chinese lied to us about such things as babies on bayonets, about 6 squillion Jews gassed and burned, about Tonkin Gulf, about the USS Liberty, about 9/11, about WMDs, about Gaddafi and Assad gassing their own people, about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the 2016 US elections and so on and on… it never stops and they cannot seem to stop themselves. Luckily, American’s can always rely on the NYT, WaPo and TeeVee “news”…

    One thing the Chinese always do is resort to doing business… they’re very good at it.

    • Agree: Half Back
    • Replies: @jsinton
  35. @Thomas Milton

    Your point is well taken. I once was inclined to give China the benefit of a doubt, but a friend with business connections in China who has travelled extensively there set me straight. The Chinese always lie. It’s in their culture. It’s part of their survival strategy. You can never get the truth from them. The CEO of the company that adulterated baby formula a few years back was executed. For what, killing babies? No, for putting China in a bad light on the world stage. Image is everything. You are right, the numbers that came out of China for the coronavirus have to be ridiculously low. The large numbers of urns with ashes tell us that. The eyewitness accounts of running crematoriums day and night tell us that. The cellphone accounts that have been put out of service in the last two months–running into the millions–tell us that. The only caveat I have is that is what the US government and Tucker Carlson want us to believe, therefore I continue to keep an open mind to a certain point.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  36. Trump has been pretty lousy along with the rest of DC but does anyone really think that Biden would do a better job?

    Biden is on video calling Trump’s travel bans xenophobic. Now he is saying that Trump didn’t do enough?

    I said early on that Biden is a terrible candidate. It doesn’t matter that he polls better than Bernie.

    The Biden we see in the Democrat debates is being thrown softballs. The real Biden is the one that erupts over basic questions about Hunter. I honestly think it is cruel that they are even running Biden. He should be retired and enjoying himself.

    Biden is set to lose. Trump has seemed pretty clueless but the same goes for most Democrats. I just don’t see independents buying that everything is the fault of Trump. NYC is being hit hard and it was De Blasio that held out on closing the schools.

    Only Bernie can beat Trump. It wouldn’t be easy but Bernie can at least handle him in a debate. Some people are suggesting Cuomo but how would that work? The DNC can’t re-write the rules at this point. I don’t see Bernie and Biden both dropping out to somehow endorse Cuomo.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  37. jsinton says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Yep, that’s right. The Chinese lie. They lie about their economic data, and they lie about the number of deaths from COVID-19. It’s a built-in feature. With the Americans, it was an acquired taste.

  38. @Longfisher

    Well doctor please get into your Hazmat suit the crackpot swarm is coming for you.

  39. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Trump has been pretty lousy along with the rest of DC but does anyone really think that Biden would do a better job?

    The problem is not Trump. The problem for the West is not incompetent leaders. The problem is that liberal representative democracy is an unworkable system and is incapable of dealing with crises.

    The response of every western government has followed the same pattern – weeks of dithering and pretending the problem didn’t exist followed by blind panic. The entire COVID-19 crisis could have been averted in the West if our governments had acted swiftly and taken a few basic precautions – suspending international air travel and quarantining areas in which outbreaks occurred to keep those outbreaks localised.

    But they did nothing for weeks, despite having plenty of warning, and then became hysterical when faced with the consequences of their failures.

    This is another failure of the western political system.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @MarkinLA
  40. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    Whatever you think about Trump’s handling of Covid, he will have no difficulty swinging perceptions his way. Some man-on-a-white-horse posturing and China-bashing will do the trick.

  41. SteveK9 says:

    In less than a week, Dr. Didier Raoult’s treatment for Covid 19 – hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin will prove its effectiveness in NYC, where thousands are now receiving this treatment. Trump touted this a couple of weeks ago, to ridicule. When he is proven correct, it will be all over for Country Joe. It doesn’t have to work on every 99-year old who is dying of cancer, but it will calm the hysteria.

  42. @dfordoom

    The problem is not Trump. The problem for the West is not incompetent leaders. The problem is that liberal representative democracy is an unworkable system and is incapable of dealing with crises.

    Western leaders could have prepared by getting supplies and testing ready.

    In Italy the left was calling travel bans racist and the Italians were making jokes about the whole thing while going to soccer games.

    We don’t have competent leaders because the system doesn’t want them. We have law school graduates that follow the ruling and corrupt ideologies.

    Just look at the final candidates in the Democratic debate. A group of career politicians and lawyers that I wouldn’t trust to fix a sink. The establishment doesn’t want competent leaders because they don’t trust them. They have a club mentality and want people that will parrot the establishment narratives.

    But they did nothing for weeks, despite having plenty of warning, and then became hysterical when faced with the consequences of their failures.

    Agreed and I would add the press is just as corrupt and incompetent. They also called the travel bans racist and downplayed the threat to Western countries.

  43. TG says:

    I’m agreeing with the people who say that, by keeping Biden out of the media, the whole coronavirus thing is actually helping him.

    I mean, Biden the man is not relevant. “Team Biden” is a proven bunch of total corporate lickspittle whores. They will reliably do what they have been paid to do even when Biden is a drooling husk hooked up to a ventilator. OK sure, Trump has been beaten down and now is mostly governing like Hilary Clinton, but he’s erratic and hard to control. Team Biden will do as they are told no muss no fuss.

    Biden’s campaign strategy consists of not being Trump, and having the elites on his side. So far, I don’t see the coronavirus interfering with this strategy. The less the public is exposed to what a senile creep Biden the man is (even though this is not relevant from the perspective of governance), the better.

  44. ko says:

    Does anyone take Biden seriously? Meaning, what bid?

    • Replies: @Sulu
  45. David says:
    @Longfisher

    Is it possible for a competent scientist to write, “almost 999999.99% of the U.S. population”?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  46. hetro says:
    @AaronInMVD

    Let’s not forget a few weeks back, rumor that a back-stage DNC deal is already done, Biden gets elected, resigns to his VP, gets pardoned for Ukraine (now add groping) by the new Pres.

    Who will that VP be, coming out of the DNC in July? Kamala is eager; but so is Hillary.

    All right I’ll LOL myself here because I don’t recall the source of that particular notion.

    I’ll throw in with those thinking the Trump high is momentary. There’s a lot of fervor that we ought to lock down for 18 months until a vaccine gets here. Martial law for those who don’t like that.

  47. If—and that’s a big “if”–Biden is the nominee he will likely serve as a puppet dangling from surer hands wielded by a collection of invisible Democrat movers and shakers(including, quite possibly, no less than Hillary Clinton ). If elected, he will last two years at most. At this point, Andy Cuomo seems to be the flavor of the month so it would not surprise if Biden is tossed aside in the same fashion as he–serving as the Establishment Democrat–was the plow that pushed Sanders off the road and into the ditch.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  48. MarkinLA says:
    @Longfisher

    Oh please, nobody knows what to do. Trump can’t state that. It isn’t as simple as closing everything down. There are people who will lose their houses or be kicked out of their apartments. There are homeless people where it could spread like wildfire.

    Instead of telling us all Trump is an idiot why don’t you call up Trump and tell him what to do?

  49. MarkinLA says:
    @dfordoom

    You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

    – suspending international air travel and quarantining areas in which outbreaks occurred to keep those outbreaks localised.

    Unless you can test large numbers of people quickly and easily this won’t work. Banning travel leaves you open for calls that you overreacted and damaged the economy if it all fizzles out quickly. Yeah, you can claim that your ban was the reason – I bet that would have worked for Trump with our media.

    • Agree: AaronInMVD
    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  50. Unless you can test large numbers of people quickly and easily this won’t work. Banning travel leaves you open for calls that you overreacted and damaged the economy if it all fizzles out quickly.

    It makes sense to ban people from the hardest hit areas.

    Fewer people spreading it means fewer hotspots.

    All you have to do is require that people from countries like Italy and Spain stay in another country for two weeks before coming here.

    We don’t do enough trade with those countries to where it would matter. Most of the travel from those countries is going to be non-essential.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @MarkinLA
  51. @Prester John

    At this point, Andy Cuomo seems to be the flavor of the month so it would not surprise if Biden is tossed aside in the same fashion as he–serving as the Establishment Democrat–was the plow that pushed Sanders off the road and into the ditch.

    Sure they would like that but how could Biden be kicked out at this point?

    The DNC is swearing off dirty tricks this time and trying to be more open.

    They’d have to reverse that promise and re-write the rules to allow him in and then go to brokered convention.

    Perhaps the establishment could pressure Biden to drop out.. what about Sanders?

    It would completely make sense to run Cuomo but I don’t see how they could do it this late.

    I think they need to throw in the towel and run him in 2024.

  52. trelane says:

    Old Joe, never very sharp to begin with, has become (mildly) senile. Very problematic choice for the Democrats. Probably can’t win with this guy.

  53. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    It makes sense to ban people from the hardest hit areas.

    Agreed. And until you get a clear picture of what’s going on it makes sense to quarantine all arrivals from overseas, regardless of where they’re travelling from. Western governments could have, and should have, done that weeks earlier than they did.

    And until you get a clear picture of what’s going on it also makes sense to impose an immediate quarantine on any city or town as soon as the first confirmed cases are spotted there.

    Remember that at the beginning it seemed quite possible that this really was going to be a disease with very high lethality. Rapid measures were justified. Had those measures been taken it’s likely that nationwide lockdowns could have been avoided.

    It now seems likely that COVID-19 is not very lethal at all but at the beginning we didn’t know that. An immediate response might have had a devastating effect on airlines and cruise lines but at least it wouldn’t have had a devastating effect on the entire economy.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  54. Yesterday during the Coronavirus meeting, President Trump was asked what he is doing to help the 12 million illegals in America, President Trump’s answer was classic, “It is a tough question, after all they are here illegally”. President Trump reminded the reporter he was more worried about helping the American citizen.

    Thank God he was elected, when 6.7 million Americans are forced into unemployment, our Media is concerned about the 12 million illegal immigrants here trying to suck from the life bloood of America,

    The average American saw what is important to the elities in America, spreading the Liberal Socialist Agenda in hoping to get Biden more votes.

  55. @John Johnson

    “Sure they[the Democrats] would like that but how could Biden be kicked out at this point?”

    Let me guess: You just landed from Neptune and have ignored all your radio transmissions from earth for the last 50 years.

    This is the Democrat party we’re talking about, now with Clintonista apparatchiki metastasized through it. Rules are for little people.

    The DNC is swearing off dirty tricks this time and trying to be more open.

    Right, and Epstein killed himself.

    A better question would be: How will they kick Biden out at this point?

  56. MarkinLA says:
    @John Johnson

    It makes sense to ban people from the hardest hit areas.

    Yes, you do that but it is like closing the barn door after the horses have left. You only know it is a hard hit area AFTER a lot of people have already left for other places. Isn’t that the claim with China that 5 million people left Hubei province before the Chinese acknowledged a problem?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  57. MarkinLA says:
    @dfordoom

    And until you get a clear picture of what’s going on it also makes sense to impose an immediate quarantine on any city or town as soon as the first confirmed cases are spotted there.

    Until people believe it is a problem you can’t do that in our society.

    You know what would work? Martial law with shoot on sight orders to anybody out of his house. The soldiers would wear chemical, nuclear, bio suits. Only essential people who are tested every other day are allowed out – medical staff, sanitation workers, food workers. Better yet, house them in secure facilities. Have the government provide meals to everybody so there is a minimum number of preparation people. Everybody gets MREs

    Areas are condoned off. Once an area has everybody tested and is clear those people are allowed to move around in their area but may not cross into another uncleared area. One by one the areas are cleared.

    I bet in less than a month, the whole thing would be in the rear view mirror.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  58. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    “Martial law with shoot on sight orders to anybody out of his house. The soldiers would wear chemical, nuclear, bio suits.”

    Wow. Did your pulse pound as you typed this? And you last were out … when?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  59. Sulu says:

    Biden didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating Trump before the pandemic. His chances are even worse now. Trump will sail into an easy victory in Nov. and there will be a great lamenting and gnashing of teeth among the Jewish controlled media.

    Sulu

  60. Realist says:
    @Jets

    Thanks…I’ll be here all week.

  61. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous

    People want a real solution. Everybody is pretending THEY know exactly what to do. I am just showing the absurdity of believing you have a solution by giving you one that absolutely would work and quickly but nobody would consider.

    Now this seems ridiculous given a 1% mortality rate. However, it wouldn’t seem so stupid if the mortality rate is 60%, now would it? Given our armed populace, mentally ill free to roam, drug dealers and addicts, just shooting people rather than trying to arrest them is probably the best way to handle it for the safety of the people enforcing the lock-down.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  62. If there is an election in November it won’t go well for standard issue corrupt Democrat candidates even though Biden is ideal to lead them. Clinton Democrats don’t know it yet but they are as irrelevant as Republican Never Trumpers. Biden is their Romney. In the midst of the Pandemic/Depression the DNC would do better with a Socialist at the top of their ticket.

    Pelosi has already begun the next “investigation” aimed at blaming Trump for the virus. She has still not learned the first rule of holes. Look for Nancy and Chuck to demand that the election be postponed. Delay is the best the Democrats can hope for.

    • Replies: @Rob (London)
  63. @Weston Waroda

    The cellphone accounts that have been put out of service in the last two months–running into the millions–tell us that.

    This is an interesting data point. Do you have a citation?

    • Replies: @A123
  64. @Sulu

    Trump will sail into an easy victory in Nov

    I think people aren’t factoring into account vote fraud. In 2016 the Dems thought they had it wrapped up so never really bothered with it until it was too late. Recall the Broward County FL woman that kept finding additional ballots.

    Hmm, how many more Biden ballots do I need to find in my trunk?

    I think they will not make the mistake again.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @John Johnson
  65. Sulu says:
    @William Badwhite

    Sadly, I suspect you may be right. We know the Democrats will do anything to gain the White House.

    Sulu

  66. A123 says:
    @William Badwhite

    Here is one.

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/24/21-million-chinese-cellphone-users-disappear-in-three-months-of-pandemic/

    Given that accounting irregularities and outright fraud are common in China, it is quite hard to tell what this means.

    The worst case scenario is that the phone owners are dead. However, there are others:

    — Cell firms have been covering up decreasing market share, now is the time to correct numbers while saving face for failed management.
    — Stock Price manipulation. Over report losses to depress the price for a purchase opportunity.
    — Long term accounting. Artificially reduce “known” subscribers below actual. These numbers can be added to the books over the next few quarters to show “gains”.
    — Local and regional government officials have their own reasons for manipulating numbers.

    IMHO, this is an indicator of massive corruption and is another reason to never do business with the PRC.

    However, I find it highly unlikely that there are 20MM+ unobserved fatalities. Iran was caught under-reporting its casualties by satellite photos. If China was surreptitiously trying to get rid of that many bodies…. It would have been spotted.

    PEACE 😷

  67. Sulu says:
    @ko

    The videos of Biden touching children makes it clear that he is an establishment pedo that is so far gone with dementia he no longer realizes the need to hide his tendencies from public view. Trump will probably run over him like a cement truck in Nov.

    Sulu

  68. Currahee says:

    Pat, the economy is going in the tank. Just passed thru local shopping mart (in a very upscale suburban LA town). The number of closed businesses which most likely will not survive is alarming.

    A quasi-depression economy will defeat Trump, even though, logically he had nothing to do with it.

    A gathering of senior Dems (i.e. Obama, Kerry, Shumer, Carville etc.) will approach ol’ joe, guarantee immunity for Hunter, and frogmarch the poor old guy into the woodshed for the duration.

    Then they pick Whomever.

    The Dem congress screeches for stay at home voting or some such fraud scheme, the bought mob howls, and there you go:

    President Whomever or Anyone but Trump.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @MarkinLA
  69. @MarkinLA

    It still makes sense to close the border to stop 1000 even if 100 already got it.

    If the count is low enough you can still track by case.

    The King County case was a known traveler from Wuhan. That could have been stopped with a mandatory 2 week quarantine.

    Anything related to China should be ban first and ask questions later. We can’t trust their government but our childish media and the WHO were somehow in denial of this.

    Let’s not forget that the WHO was claiming mid January that there was no evidence of human to human transfer
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/who-haunted-by-old-tweet-saying-china-found-no-human-transmission-of-coronavirus/

    That is outrageous given everything that it was clearly spreading.

    Tens of thousands of lives would have been saved with an early travel ban. But globalists and the WHO called it xenophobic….but then later changed their minds.

  70. @William Badwhite

    I think people aren’t factoring into account vote fraud.

    Well the problem for Democrats is that we have an electoral college so vote fraud efforts would be limited. I think they were exaggerated anyways but don’t care enough to debate that point. Democrats have plenty of legitimate voters. They lose when they stay home.

    But more importantly there is no way that Biden can win the swing states.

    It’s not like he or the other Democrats were on the ball. They can blame Trump but the video of Biden calling the travel bans xenophobic will be replayed. Biden has had nothing to offer when it comes to solutions. Swing voters may not be happy with Trump but they’re not going to believe that Biden would have done any better.

    Trump is also successfully keeping the blame on China. Right or wrong as a political strategy it is working.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  71. @Currahee

    A gathering of senior Dems (i.e. Obama, Kerry, Shumer, Carville etc.) will approach ol’ joe, guarantee immunity for Hunter, and frogmarch the poor old guy into the woodshed for the duration.

    Then they pick Whomever.

    But how do they get rid of Sanders? Establishment Democrats won’t be able to pressure him to drop out. He hates them and correctly sees them as part of the problem.

    If they re-write the rules then Sanders voters stay home.

    I think the only solution is to wait until 2024. It would be an easy 8 years for Cuomo.

  72. The major problem in the USA is going to be the shortage of ventilators. What’s wrong with the UK NHS’s design of a mini iron lung? Much cheaper than a ventilator and low tech. Anybody can build one quickly. As there’s no tube into the lung, there’s less encouragement of infection. In Australia, people badly affected by polio lived miserable lives for 60 years in iron lungs. That proves safety for the old designs. [email protected]

  73. Has anyone checked on Biden lately?

    Does he know what year it is, who the President is and what planet he’s on?

    Seriously.

  74. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sulu

    Trump will sail into an easy victory in Nov

    He will, if the economy survives and if life really does get back to normal in a few months. If that happens he’ll win in a landslide.

    But those things are by no means certain. If the economy tanks and if it becomes clear that it’s going to take a long long time to get back to normal and if it starts to look like maybe things will never really get back to normal, then he’ll lose in a landslide.

    At the moment it’s impossible to predict either way.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  75. dfordoom says: • Website
    @MarkinLA

    Now this seems ridiculous given a 1% mortality rate. However, it wouldn’t seem so stupid if the mortality rate is 60%, now would it?

    That’s true. The problem we have with COVID-19 is that we still don’t know what the actual mortality rate is. It seems most likely that it’s much less than 1%. It’s probable that 0.1% is closer to the mark. In which case most of the measures being taken today are excessive. At the beginning of the crisis 4% seemed plausible, in which case extreme measures would have been justified.

    But my original point is that quite moderate measures taken quickly would have avoided the necessity for more drastic measures later.

  76. Yee says:

    “The cellphone accounts that have been put out of service in the last two months–running into the millions–tell us that.”

    China has 1.4 bil people but 1.6 bil cellphone accounts… Plenty of people have more than 1 account in any given time. Normally 1 from their home town and 1 from whatever province they go for work. When they can’t go back to the other province, some just stop paying the monthy fee for their other account.

    Really, if China is hiding 20 mil deaths in 2 months, the US would be in even deeper shit than you’re already in right now.

  77. Really, if China is hiding 20 mil deaths in 2 months, the US would be in even deeper shit than you’re already in right now.

    It doesn’t make any sense.

    They are tightly controlled but they couldn’t hide something of that scale.

    We have satellites and spies. Everyone assumes they are lying but 20 million isn’t possible.

  78. @John Johnson

    Well the problem for Democrats is that we have an electoral college so vote fraud efforts would be limited.

    This sentence makes no sense. Having or not having an electoral college has nothing to do with vote fraud.

    But more importantly there is no way that Biden can win the swing states.

    Biden will get 60mm votes no matter what. In 2016 Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. He won Pennsylvania by 68,000 and Florida by 120,000 votes (barely one percent). I think the vote fraud in Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Dade and Broward (FL) counties etc can eclipse that. Have you paid attention at all to the ongoing Dem efforts to remove any sort of barriers to fraud? What other possible reason could there be for the opposition to requiring any sort of ID besides enabling fraud?

    The only thing we can be sure of with regards to voter fraud is the Republicans will point and sputter then ultimately do nothing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  79. MarkinLA says:
    @Currahee

    No matter who you put in the Bernie Bros are going to feel cheated. Slipping somebody in at the last minute also makes people angry that their vote didn’t matter. I don’t think the hatred for Trump is that high to vote for anybody else, no matter what. Black seem particularly blase about the election like they were for Hillary.

    The Trump voters are energized. People don’t get energized to vote somebody out unless you can make a real case he was significant. Hoover was presumed to have done nothing, even though that was not true. I don’t think people think Trump is just dithering.

  80. Sulu says:
    @dfordoom

    If the Democrats had a strong candidate and a real platform I could see them winning against Trump. But they have neither. I don’t think America is going to switch horses in mid stream. What we are facing is not unlike a war. And Trump has been looking rather Presidential of late. I’m not saying it’s impossible he will lose but I consider it unlikely.

    The big political question I think that is on the horizon is whether or not the Democrats really will go with Biden and will Sanders be persuaded to drop out. I just can’t see Biden winning against anyone. Now, if the Dems pull some shenanigans and put a fresh candidate in to run against Trump and if said candidate gets Bernie’s endorsement then the Dems have a much better chance.

    You pointing out that things will need to get back to something resembling normal for Trump to win may be a valid point. But I am not ready to concede it just yet. If this country really degenerates further and we have country wide martial law my fear will be not who is going to be President but whether we can escape civil unrest and perhaps even civil war. When half the country wakes up and realizes that the bank is going to take their homes because they can’t pay their mortgage they are going to scream for country wide debt forgiveness. If they don’t get it they are going to go ballistic and we will probably have civil war. People that thought their future was secure only to find out they are going to the poor house will become brave when they realize they have nothing left to lose. It’s one thing when the occasional home owner defaults on his mortgage. That’s business as usual. But when it happens to half the country at the same time that is quite a different thing.

    I can’t rule out the possibility that this virus is a bioweapon unleashed on the world by the U.S., the aim of which is to usher in a police state while at the same time allowing the rich to acquire the property of those that can’t pay their debts. If this is in fact true it makes me think the elites may have overplayed their hand. Variations of this sort of thing have been tried before. One has to look no further than Wiemar Germany to see an example of it. And that didn’t turn out well for the world in general and the elite in particular.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  81. @Si1ver1ock

    It’s notable how much sharper and more coherent Trump was in this debate than he is these days. OK, he hasn’t taken part in a forum quite like it since he was elected, but the current White House press briefings are similar enough, and he’s barely able to articulate a single point in them. I guess he’s getting old too. Not as far gone as Biden, but on his way (and at exactly the same age Reagan was when his mental faculties started to fade away).

    Still, at least we do have one tough, assertive, presidential New Yorker leading his people well and making a positive impression with his daily press briefings. This autumn’s presidential election could be a rout if the Democratic Party has the courage to select the right candidate, difficult though doing it might be.

  82. MarkinLA says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    It isn’t very popular with doctors and medical professionals. If you are going to determine what every doctor in the country is allowed to make, why stop there? Why doesn’t the government determine the maximum amount of money you can make?

  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sulu

    You pointing out that things will need to get back to something resembling normal for Trump to win may be a valid point. But I am not ready to concede it just yet. If this country really degenerates further and we have country wide martial law my fear will be not who is going to be President but whether we can escape civil unrest and perhaps even civil war.

    If partial lockdowns are still in force (and I can’t see any western governments having the courage to end the lockdowns completely), if we’re still being told to practise social distancing and shelter in place, if the hysteria is still in full swing (and coronavirus hysteria could be ongoing just like climate change hysteria) will it even be possible to have meaningful elections?

    What happens if Trump wins but voter turnout is 25%? Would that be accepted as a valid election result?

    Having an election result that will be accepted depends on a return to normality.

    There’s also the problem that coronavirus hysteria might mutate into more general hysteria. There are already all manner of crazy conspiracy theories floating about. What happens if these conspiracy theories make the jump from their usual sources (the SJWs and the far right) into the general population? What happens if there’s a rash of mass shootings?

    I don’t think it can be assumed that a valid election, with the results generally accepted, will be possible this year.

    It seems possible that there won’t actually be a Democratic National Convention. Which means either the Democrats demand the election be delayed or they choose a candidate in a back-room deal.

    What happens if some states are still under lockdown and some aren’t? What happens if states that have been hard hit have a ludicrously low voter turnout while other states that have largely escaped the virus have high turnouts?

    Again, without a return to normality, an election seems likely to be problematic (as our liberal friends would say).

    • Replies: @Sulu
  84. @William Badwhite

    This sentence makes no sense. Having or not having an electoral college has nothing to do with vote fraud.

    Vote fraud tends to be in areas that were already going for the Democrat. So it doesn’t matter if they win by 60 or 70 percent.

    Have you paid attention at all to the ongoing Dem efforts to remove any sort of barriers to fraud? What other possible reason could there be for the opposition to requiring any sort of ID besides enabling fraud?

    I have no problem with voter ID.

    But I think their real fear is that some Blacks will worry about getting arrested for a warrant if they have to show an ID with their address. That is probably why Democrats keep making excuses.

    I actually don’t think Democrats would trust their own people to pull off serious fraud. It makes more sense for them to do vote drives or change laws to allow felons to vote. They always have more votes than Republicans.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  85. You pointing out that things will need to get back to something resembling normal for Trump to win may be a valid point.

    I actually don’t think this is true.

    His base hasn’t turned on him and Democrats are not making a strong case that they would have done anything different. It’s difficult to believe them when they were bickering with each other when the pandemic was spreading.

    Trump’s base is sticking with him and Democrats would vote for anyone but Trump. So once again it comes down to independents like myself. Am I really supposed to believe that Biden would have done any better? Or am I supposed to vote for Biden to punish Trump? That doesn’t sound responsible since I don’t trust Biden to handle anything. Biden couldn’t even explain his gun policy without getting erratic and emotional.

    Their only chance is to hire Cuomo. Trump really seems bulletproof against Biden. Democrats don’t even deny Biden’s flaws but want us independents to vote for him anyways. I find it insulting that this is the best person they could come up with.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  86. @John Johnson

    It would be nice to have a president who has a presidential bearing, behaves responsibly, puts duty above self-interest, etc etc.

    I agree, at this stage there doesn’t seem to be a legit way to substitute Cuomo for Biden. But sometimes events, and public opinion, just develop an unstoppable momentum and Ways Are Found.

    By November, the Covid crisis in New York state will almost certainly have been brought under control. In the nation at large, things will still be terrible. Cuomo’s star is only likely to rise over the next six months, while Trump’s is only likely to fade. Who knows if Cuomo will enter the fray. But if he were to, I’d say he’d win. Whatever your party allegiance, it would surely be a relief to have a president who has some integrity and decency.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  87. @John Johnson

    Vote fraud tends to be in areas that were already going for the Democrat. So it doesn’t matter if they win by 60 or 70 percent.

    If there is extensive vote fraud in (for example) black heavily Democrat Milwaukee, that can affect the outcome in mostly white Wisconsin. It doesn’t seem like you understand that votes are aggregated at a state level.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  88. @WorkingClass

    Do you not think some degree of official scrutiny of his response to the pandemic is warranted?

  89. @William Badwhite

    If there is extensive vote fraud in (for example) black heavily Democrat Milwaukee, that can affect the outcome in mostly white Wisconsin. It doesn’t seem like you understand that votes are aggregated at a state level.

    No I don’t think you understand what the current demographics look like.

    For fraud to work you have to flip a battleground state. Well to do that you have to flip an urban area but without throwing off the numbers. Meaning you can’t double the votes of the population. Well that is extremely difficult under the current demographics. The battleground states have too many undecided White democrats. That is really what causes problems for the Dems. Blacks are reliably Democrat so there is only so much fraud you can commit before the numbers stink.

    If it was a close popular vote it would make more sense.

    But it just doesn’t make sense as an amoral strategy in a presidential election. The numbers really aren’t there.

    Again I support Voter ID but I have to grudgingly admit that libs are right about voter fraud being exaggerated. But like I said I suspect the issue is really about warrants. I also don’t think they actually trust Blacks to take part in widespread fraud. The damage from getting caught would outweigh the benefits. But I certainly wouldn’t put it past any Democrat to cheat at the DNC level.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Hibernian
  90. @Rob (London)

    Cuomo’s star is only likely to rise over the next six months, while Trump’s is only likely to fade. Who knows if Cuomo will enter the fray. But if he were to, I’d say he’d win.

    But no one can come up with a scenario of how he would enter.

    The only way it can happen is if Biden and Bernie both realize they will probably lose and drop out to endorse Cuomo and put the party first.

    Ironically both are too self-centered to do that as this is their only chance at the presidency. So both are willing to gamble even if the odds are against them, even knowing that Cuomo would probably win.

    Trump could only lose at this point by making a huge mistake. Well all countries are equally in the s–t right now so that actually is hard to do. All he has to do is keep the country in the mean. As long as there are countries worse off he can win. I’m not saying that is right or wrong, just giving my analysis.

  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    You pointing out that things will need to get back to something resembling normal for Trump to win may be a valid point.

    I actually don’t think this is true.

    His base hasn’t turned on him

    His base hasn’t turned on him, yet. If the economy is still in ruins come November they might well do so.

    And you don’t win elections by hanging on to your base. You win elections by capturing swing voters and/or capturing some of your opponent’s base. Trump won in 2016 because he captured such voters in the Rust Belt. Those Rust Belt voters will not vote for him this year if the economy is in a shambles. Because they voted for him on purely economic issues. You think they’re going to vote for him in November if unemployment is significantly higher than it was in 2016?

    Trump will win easily in November if something resembling normality has been restored and the economy is doing well. If there is no return to normality and the economy is in the toilet he’s likely to lose. And lose bigly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @MarkinLA
  92. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Again I support Voter ID but I have to grudgingly admit that libs are right about voter fraud being exaggerated.

    It’s an article of faith on the Right that if the Democrats win an election it must be because of voter fraud. That’s easier than having to admit that the majority of voters just didn’t think the Republican Party was worth voting for.

    And on the far right (Paranoia Central) absolutely everything is a conspiracy theory.

  93. @dfordoom

    And you don’t win elections by hanging on to your base. You win elections by capturing swing voters and/or capturing some of your opponent’s base.

    Completely agree here.

    Those Rust Belt voters will not vote for him this year if the economy is in a shambles. Because they voted for him on purely economic issues. You think they’re going to vote for him in November if unemployment is significantly higher than it was in 2016?

    I think what you are saying is normally true but not in this situation.

    The difference is that this is a global disaster. If unemployment is also high in other countries and Biden or Bernie is the candidate then he can still win. This is because Trump will be able to argue that he is the victim of circumstance. Now could a leader conceivably do a better job despite the situation? Of course but those swing voters have to consider if Biden or Bernie would have done a better job than Trump. I think the answer will be no unless the other countries are clearly better off.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  94. Sulu says:
    @dfordoom

    I do find merit in what you have to say. The left didn’t accept the results of the 16 election. They loved to whine that Hillary got the popular vote, while at the same time conveniently ignoring the fact that the electoral college elects the President. It’s easy enough to imagine the dissension if the voter turnout is low and Trump is elected.

    I don’t recall, off the top of my head, whether or not a Presidential election in this country has ever been postponed. If it should happen this year we will be in unknown territory.

    For the last dozen years or so I have thought that America resembles Wiemar Germany more with each passing year. We have had a collapse of any type of conventional morality coupled with the rise of every type of perversion. Every thing has been inverted. What used to be seen as good is now portrayed as bad. Every type of sexual deviancy is portrayed as a life style choice and anyone that dissents is cast as an intolerant, bigoted, villain. All we need is a major depression to kick things into high gear. And it look like it is on our doorstep.

    I believe it was Twain that said, “History doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes.” It sure looks to me like it is getting ready to rhyme.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  95. MarkinLA says:
    @dfordoom

    From what I have read, illegal aliens won’t be getting the free money and the Democrats are trying to “fix” that. It may get out of the House but should stall in the Senate. If this leads to massive self deportation of illegals, Trump and the virus will be national heroes.

  96. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    This is because Trump will be able to argue that he is the victim of circumstance.

    That’s true enough. It depends on how effectively he can shift the blame onto others.

    Now could a leader conceivably do a better job despite the situation? Of course but those swing voters have to consider if Biden or Bernie would have done a better job than Trump.

    Biden or Bernie will certainly need to come up with a coherent plan for restoring the economy. If they do come up with a plan that is more attractive than Trump’s plan (which mostly amounts to giving more money to mega-corporations and to the rich) then either could win. I doubt if Biden can come up with such a plan. Bernie? Maybe.

    I think the answer will be no unless the other countries are clearly better off.

    Well East Asian nations are clearly going to be much much better off than western nations. But Trump may be able to appeal to the inherent racism of Americans – portray it as an evil plot by the Yellow Devils to stop him from Making America Great Again. Will voters respond favourably to such a knuckle-dragging racist appeal? His base will lap it up. Maybe Rust Belt voters will as well.

    The depressing lesson from all this is probably going to be that it doesn’t matter how incompetently you handle a crisis as long as you win the propaganda war. And as our esteemed host has pointed out the one thing America does well is propaganda.

  97. @Crazy Horse

    Suggesting that the elites have decided to continue the eight-year alternation of different factions of the people grinding us down into poverty, police-state surveillance, and physical replacement. That is, they’ve decided trump has behaved well enough to be allowed to win the “election.”

    And, given trump’s age, they’ve presumably also decided that pence would be an equally compliant tool.

    Stop voting democrat and republican, people. Vote third party or write someone in, such as NONE OF THE ABOVE.

  98. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sulu

    I don’t recall, off the top of my head, whether or not a Presidential election in this country has ever been postponed. If it should happen this year we will be in unknown territory.

    We’re already in unknown territory. Entire populations under house arrest. Delaying or cancelling an election is a mere bagatelle by comparison. Some elections have already been postponed in Australia and Hungary’s constitution has been suspended. Expect more of this. There’s no reason to think it couldn’t happen in the US.

  99. Hibernian says:
    @John Johnson

    The damage from getting caught would outweigh the benefits.

    You’ve got to be kidding. Ballots are “found” in car trunks repeatedly, and there are very few if any prosecutions.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  100. Hibernian says:
    @John Johnson

    Th explanation given is very mush of the “dog ate my homework” variety. Let us remember that this is an area where all the machinery of local government is controlled by one party, similar to Chicago and Philadelphia.

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  101. @Hibernian

    I think you give the Democrats too much credit.

    Of course Chicago is known for corruption but they rarely get away with it.

    Just read about the children’s book scam from the last mayor. She didn’t even bother hiring an editor so the books actually had grammatical errors. Yes books for children.
    https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10774142-181/former-baltimore-mayor-catherine-pugh

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