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As soon as the Senate received the lone article of impeachment accusing President Donald Trump of “incitement of insurrection” in the Jan. 6 mob assault on the Capitol, Rand Paul rose to object.

The Senate, he said, has no right to try a private citizen, which Trump now is. Thus, what we are about to do is flatly unconstitutional.

Forty-five of 50 Republican members agreed with Paul’s motion.

“This vote indicates it’s over. The trial is all over,” said Paul. “If you voted that (the Senate trial is) … unconstitutional, how in the world would you ever vote to convict somebody for this?”

Consistency says you would not.

Susan Collins of Maine, one of five Republicans who voted against Paul’s motion, agreed that the vote portends the final vote on conviction.

“Do the math,” Collins said. “It’s extraordinarily unlikely the president will be convicted.”

Rand Paul may have just derailed the second impeachment of Donald Trump.

Chief Justice John Roberts, the constitutional officer designated to preside over Senate impeachment trials, has said he will not preside over this latest trial of the ex-president. With Roberts seeing no constitutional duty, and declining the honor, his replacement as the presiding officer will be Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the longest-serving Democrat and the president pro tempore of the Senate.

But Leahy is viscerally hostile to Trump and one of a Democratic bloc that voted twice last January to convict Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. How will it look to the world if this partisan is installed as both judge and juror at the trial of his political enemy?

Welcome to Zimbabwe.

Does the liberal establishment, now back in power and controlling the House, Senate and presidency, not see how this is all going to look in the history books, generations hence?

Blinded by hatred of Trump, enraged by the mob that stormed the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi’s House, in a rush to judgment, without hearing a single Trump witness and without letting his lawyer offer a defense, impeached, i.e., indicted, Donald Trump for “incitement of insurrection.”

But how could Trump have incited the riot and the attack on the Capitol when the mob swept up the stairs before Trump finished speaking a mile away? And he would end his rally remarks by urging the crowd to march to the Hill “peacefully and patriotically.”

We have subsequently learned that plans and plots were being hatched days before the assault on the Capitol began.

Was the Trump White House, or Trump, privy to those plots?

In August 1974, it was a near certainty that the House would vote to impeach Richard Nixon. But after the president resigned, the House did not impeach, and Ford pardoned Nixon so the country could move on.

The rage of the establishment at being deprived of its revenge against Nixon who had turned the Silent Majority against it, not unlike today, knew no bounds. And, though history has vindicated Ford, his pardon of Nixon precipitated a plunge in his poll numbers.

Half a century on, however, history says Ford did the right thing.

Why then are the Democrats continuing with this exercise in vengeance?

They want Trump convicted so that he will be prohibited from ever again holding public office. The establishment fears that Trump could make a comeback, win the Republican primaries in 2024, become the nominee, and return in triumph as president.

They are determined to abort that possibility. Many openly admit it.

What does that say about the liberal establishment’s love of democracy when they would disqualify, in advance, the largest vote-getter their opposition party ever had, out of fear he might come back to win the presidency as he did in 2016?

“Trust the people!” was a campaign slogan made famous by George Wallace. Our national establishment prattles endlessly on about its devotion to democracy, but it does not trust the people.

But the establishment is going to pay a price for trying to squeeze the last ounces of juice out of this rotting fruit. President Joe Biden’s call to unity are being drowned out by Democratic howls for a trial, conviction and banishment.

This effort to convict and disqualify Trump from running again tells us more about the people behind it than it does about Trump.

For the odds are slim at best that Trump would or could, at 78, win the nomination and the presidency a second time, as Grover Cleveland did in 1892.

Yet, a fearful establishment does not want to take the chance.

For all the babbling about “democracy” we have heard in recent days, the establishment wants to eliminate the possibility that the people could rise up, and, horror of horrors, elect Trump once more.

You can smell the fear.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    Faux president Joe Biden, fixed it!

  2. If anyone actually believes that Joe Biden legitimately won the presidency just now on November 3, then they have to make allowance that Trump could easily win in 2024. Though it is theoretically possible that Trump might succumb to Alzheimer’s Disease 8 years after his first campaign (the way Reagan did) and therefore be unfit in 2024, it seems more likely that he will be at least as fit as Biden is now. In that case he should be regarded as a plausible contender.

  3. They are terrified of the pitchforks coming out. Which is a justifiable fear; since people have come after them with pitchforks about 108 times before; with good reason I might add.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  4. Renoman says:

    Surely people will soon be completely appalled by the dithering, hand wringing, ass kissing, incoherent liars the Democrats have become?

    • Replies: @Realist
  5. Not welcome to Zimbabwe but Stalin’s Russia, Mr. Buchanan. Even in Stalin’s show trials, some “witnesses” testified, but in the trial against Donald Trump, there are neither witnesses nor a shred of evidence in this farcical show trial. When the “accused” told the crowd to march to Capitol Hill and make your voice heard “peacefully” and “patriotically,” where is the “incitement of insurrection”? BLM activists and agent provocateurs incited parts of the crowd. Besides vengeance, the Dems are so afraid of Trump running in 2024 to reverse this rigged the election, which got a demented guy into the White House. Biden is an Obama puppet. His instigators run the show. The forces behind him will turn the US into a politically correct totalitarian regime, if not into outright Fascism.

    https://betweenthelines-ludwigwatzal.com/2021/01/25/fascism-is-coming-to-the-us-or-is-it-just-an-old-ball-game/

    • Agree: phillip sawicki
  6. TTSSYF says:

    Very good article, Mr. Buchanan. I think you’ve summed it up nicely.

  7. With some political significance, there is a non-disprovable ‘Trump was stabbed in the back’ story, giving comfort to the Q-Anon etc crowd who want to hold on to believing that Trump did not betray or abandon them, perhaps the ultimate final ‘Q larp’ –

    The story is that, far beyond any threats to Trump himself or his family, there were threats to set off nuclear or biological weapons in a US city, killing or harming huge numbers, and perhaps blaming it on Trump to boot … you can find this idea from alt-journalist Jim Stone amongst others, Stone discussing how ‘Many are speculating nuclear blackmail was used to ultimately flush Trump’

    This is said to explain why Trump was so weak after the apparent early November election fraud, and why there was no ‘Storm’ or ‘Executive Order’ to arrest all the corruptos along with the 6 January events

    And also, why Trump did not immediately fire Attorney General Bill Barr, who was refusing to interview vote fraud witnesses and evidence offered by Giuliani (which raises the question as well, Why did Giuliani not advise firing Barr? Was this ‘Mr 9-11’ Giuliani’s own Deep State corruption?)

    Trump and Q thus may be eternal, even if Trump himself denies it all

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @nokangaroos
  8. “Trust the people!” was a campaign slogan made famous by George Wallace. Our national establishment prattles endlessly on about its devotion to democracy, but it does not trust the people.

    And what does it say about “[o]ur national establishment,” Mr. Buchanan, that the politician you have to resort to quoting said this in 1968, during his American Independent Party campaign against both Hubert Humphrey and your liege?

    Mr. Palaverconservative will be prattling endlessly on, devoted to Team Red in the next Most Important Election Ever, too.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
  9. SafeNow says:

    If you disqualify the person, you disqualify his policies.

  10. I’m tired of people making excuses for Trump’s actions on Jan. 6. Yes, he did not personally instigate a riot. And, he should not be impeached in a vindictive Senate show trial, which, per liberal Alan Dershowitz, is Unconstitutional.

    But, he’s guilty of stupidity, an unforgiveable sin for a sitting president. Having a mass rally near the Capitol, on the same day that the Senate was to count the Electoral Votes, was a disaster waiting to happen. Did he and his team not stop to think that they could be falling into a well laid trap?

    And, his calling out Mike Pence to “do the right thing” and cancel the EC vote was shameful. Worse, the ensuing riot prevented Senators Cruz and Hawley from articulating their objections to the way this sham election was conducted. As a result, all of us Deplorables are now in the Security State’s crosshairs. Please, Mr. Trump, walk away from public life and retire to the golf course, before you do even more damage to the cause you’ve betrayed.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Buck Ransom
  11. Rurik says:

    What does that say about the liberal establishment’s love of democracy

    my favorite demonstration of our deepstate’s love of democracy was when Victoria Nuland bragged about spending five billion dollars of our money to promote ‘democracy’ in Ukraine, so that she could imperiously and unilaterally declare that ‘Yats is the guy’ who she decided will be the new president on the country – where she spent our billions promoting ‘democracy’.

    Now she’s part of Joe Biden’s State Dept. Where she’ll no doubt be promoting ‘democracy’ all over the Middle East, Latin America and Eastern Europe. Belarus could use some ‘democracy’. Venezuela is in need. So too Iran and so many other places, like Syria, that need more ‘democracy’. Just like we have here in the good ol’ ZUS of A!

    Leahy is viscerally hostile to Trump

    Is Leahy a fag?

    I can understand disapproving of Trump, and even some partisan hostility, but for these people, (like De Niro and others), to get so unhinged with blubbering rage, there has to be more to it than bimbo gold diggers shoving their pussies into Trump’s billionaire hands.

    For De Niro, it’s a race thing. (obviously, since De Niro’s children are black, and De Niro has become a BLM/Hollywood ‘woke boy’).

    But what is it with guys like Leahy? He’s got to be a fag, is all I can figure. Trump appointed anti-homo Pence, and his straight, white guy swagger is the ultimate affront to fags like Leahy and Eric Swallowswell and others. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. It’s personal, for them.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  12. polistra says:

    Pat is entirely out of reality. Trump is the HEART of the Establishment, not any kind of “opposition”.

    • Agree: Minnesota Mary
    • Disagree: Charon
    • Replies: @Realist
  13. Realist says:
    @polistra

    Trump is the HEART of the Establishment, not any kind of “opposition”.

    Something I have been saying since mid-April 2017.

  14. Realist says:
    @Renoman

    Surely people will soon be completely appalled by the dithering, hand wringing, ass kissing, incoherent liars the Democrats have become?

    Americans are known for the longevity of their stupidity.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  15. saggy says:

    And he would end his rally remarks by urging the crowd to march to the Hill “peacefully and patriotically.”

    What the hell? Why would Buchanan write such a bald faced lie? Trump made the ‘peacefully and patriotically” remark early in the speech. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot

    Here is the end of the speech …

    And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

    Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.

    And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.

    So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

    The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

    So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

    I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America.

    Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

    I don’t think it’s that big of an issue, but how in hell can Buchanan, one of my favorite writers for his essential ‘The Unnecessary War’ write easily checkable lies? The fact is Trump tried to foist off his preposterous stop the steal hoax for a month, something totally unprecedent in US history as far as I know. The guy is narcissistic imbecile and he has led the ‘right wing’ over a cliff, and they’re still following him !

    • Agree: Minnesota Mary
    • Replies: @phillip sawicki
  16. I predict that in 2024 all the Republican candidates for president will be running as Donald Trump. I am not so sure whether they will also sport orange combovers.

  17. anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:

    If they shot Trump now like they shot JFK, RFK, or Reagan, it would make no difference. They’ve pulled out all the totalitarian stops to purge Trump. Everyone can see that the USA’s a mafiya state. FBI has pissed away any authority they ever had. They’re CIA’s most despicable criminal ratfuckers, nothing more. They sold more kiddy porn on Playpen than Epstein would dare dream of. Their legal council Clinesmith did CIA’s dirtiest, filthiest dirty work and took the fall. It cost him. One hundred dollars. This is FBI saying to America, fuck you, we work for CIA.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/514079-clinesmith-sentence-fbi-russiagate/

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  18. @brabantian

    QAnon has been totally discredited. Yet he still has huge numbers of true believers. Beats me.

  19. @anonymous

    The judge who let Clinesmith off the hook is names James Emanuel Boasberg .

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  20. Alfa158 says:

    The establishment isn’t afraid of Trump, he is no threat. They are, rightfully, terrified of someone else popping up who might take up the populist message that carried Trump to the Presidency, but is sincere, younger, smarter, and un-compromised. They need to utterly destroy Trump and the filthy shkotzim who supported him as an object lesson to anyone else who might challenge GloboHomo Imperial Capitalism .

    • Agree: JasonT, phillip sawicki
    • Replies: @Catdog
  21. Corvinus says:
    @follyofwar

    “I’m tired of people making excuses for Trump’s actions on Jan. 6. Yes, he did not personally instigate a riot.”

    You’re right (for once). He had help.

    https://www.ibtimes.sg/did-trump-officials-senators-hold-pre-insurrection-meeting-trump-hotel-before-capitol-riots-55184

    https://www.al.com/news/2021/01/what-have-you-done-now-tommy-tuberville.html

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  22. Have a series of elections —perhaps the best 6 out of 11 and then USA could have election fever all year.

  23. @Corvinus

    lol. Corvy, still carrying waters for your masters, spreading your fake news, boy?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  24. @Irish Savant

    I take it you are the blogger? What has happened to your blog? I can no longer access it.

  25. The Senate, he said, has no right to try a private citizen, which Trump now is. Thus, what we are about to do is flatly unconstitutional.

    Forty-five of 50 Republican members agreed with Paul’s motion.

    The entire concept of the impeachment is a tar baby designed to draw the attention of the babbling, social media influenced classes – I don’t seek to either defend it or praise it – its totally irrelevant practically speaking, beyond use as a dual-wielded agent of outrage.

    That said, the controlling Republican theory is now established as – once you leave, you no longer are subject to the discipline of the state office holder majority.

    More precisely, the Republican controlling theory (now) is that if nothing in writing says that you are subject to the political authority of the state once you depart, this precludes the authority of the state at its whim to engage in enforcement action against you.

    The murderous onslaught unleashed against Southern Civilians including my own ancestors at the whim of Republican rulers held a diametrically opposed assertion, as holy writ.

    Then, the early Republican assertion was that unless you could show a written rule PROHIBITING use of Govt compulsion to dominate those who exercised their right to leave, it was all good..

    These are the same Republicans who in our own times rubber-stamped stripping all traces of my cultural ancestry from the public record, despite the fact that the only written record of American Governance fully supported the right of my ancestors to form their own state.

    These are the same Republicans who, in despair of Biden (prior to the predictable Anti-populist pogrom of Transvestite lunacy made him appear a temporal paper tiger) talked of the rights of secession.

    There is some historical justice in that the Waterloo of the Trump Republicans came at the hands of the same people overrun by mercenary, paid-Arsonist’s, opposed only by a rag-tag home guard of desperate old men and children.

    I will take the Confederate Hero’s who defended their homes and families,
    you can keep the Republicans.

    “So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  26. But how could Trump have incited the riot and the attack on the Capitol when the mob swept up the stairs before Trump finished speaking a mile away?

    I watched the ongoing breach after the speech.
    This is nonsense – not something I ever expected to say to PJB.

    Trumps’ rendezvous with fate awaits in the courts, not at a congressional Impeachment. Hype to the contrary was always designed to accomplish other purposes by deluding the general public into ever more hideously contorted delusionals.

    Even so-
    Drawing together a massive crowd, specifically telling them that you personally will lead, ACCOMPANY, and direct their efforts at the head of their enraged columns, and then sending them to harry opponent(s) conducting legal events that you disagree with, while at no point having any intent to actually fulfill your promise to personally supervise, accompany, lead, direct and head their procession.. is in fact what Trump did.

    People lost their lives and suffered trauma due to this absolute idiocy, based on malice.
    This is not action of sensible or competent logic, seeking redress.

    Trump left office pardoning some of the worst crooks and spies to even lumber through any nation. The Capitol body count is due to his own actions and choices.

    If you assemble a crowd, you are responsible for their actions, particularly when you tell them that you will be leading them in the direction you are sending them. Pretending otherwise is lunacy and denial.

    There are peaceable ways that this could have been carried out, in the form of a non-violent organized protest effort, that would have snarled traffic and caused disruption, but in a fully legal and non-lethal manner.

    Trumps’ eventual legal ‘alamo’ may be based in large part on the fact that while making the ‘lead you to the capitol’ address, he was behind some of the most formidable, hardened ballistic protection that I have ever seen during his many speeches, far unlike what I have noted in video’s of the garden-variety Trump rally.

    To barricade yourself from the crowd which you are directing to engage a legal process taking place within marching distance, is an indication of some advance concern that this would not be a routine speech to controlled, sympathetic supporters.

    Pretending that this is all OK and normal is EXACTLY why the Trump movement ended up in such a train wreck, in the first place. The truth is, this denouement / derailment was allowed to play out over a long period of time, BECAUSE those who could have stepped in to act against lunacy and wackjob hangers-on, failed to do so, or decided that it was useless.

    • Replies: @saggy
  27. Biff says:

    Is the Establishment Still Terrified of Trump?

    No! The establishment is terrified of Trump supporters?

  28. Corvinus says:
    @R.G. Camara

    No, just dropping truth bombs that, once again, you can’t handle. And since I’m a good sport, I’ll give you a heads up…the Deep State is coming for you. LOL.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  29. Corvinus says:
    @Trial by Wombat

    “I will take the Confederate Hero’s who defended their homes and families…”

    Along with their slaves?

  30. @Corvinus

    ROFL. I’m sorry you can’t handle the truth, wittle Soros monkey. But your masters don’t pay you to handle the truth—just to keep spreading their lies.

    It’s just that you do it so badly, gamma Corvy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  31. @Corvinus

    lol. The ones currently committing 53% of all violent crime in the country, Corvy?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  32. Corvinus says:
    @R.G. Camara

    You’re projecting again, Mr. Spittle. Next time, have a bib in tow.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  33. @Corvinus

    lmao. You think it’s a bunch of white guys committing 53% of all the violent crime in this country, Corvy?

    Man, you lying dummies really aren’t that bright when defending black criminality. Try harder, little one!

  34. @Corvinus

    lol. There you go again, Corvy, projecting your own spewing of lies onto others. So sad what an incel you are.

    Perhaps you should stop spitting up on yourself so much, and wear a bib; Mr. Soros doesn’t like his paid bots to be so sloppy.

  35. saggy says:
    @Trial by Wombat

    The truth is, this denouement / derailment was allowed to play out over a long period of time, BECAUSE those who could have stepped in to act against lunacy and wackjob hangers-on, failed to do so, or decided that it was useless.

    Trump was a useful idiot, the Jews behind Trump promoted his idiocy from day 1 till Jan. 6 because they knew it would lead to chaos, that was the goal, and it was achieved. It was cultural Marxism from the ‘right’. And, the repercussions will last a long time …

  36. @brabantian

    The sociological similarities to the beginning of a UFO contactee cult
    are by and by getting uncanny:

    – Charismatic leader unjustly persecuted,
    – Prophesies gone awry, but
    – Communion of the Saints reinterpreting the Sayings and dispensing courage and consolation to the flock.

    There is still a (tiny) Vaishnava sect who believe (as opposed to HeebHunter)
    the Great One was Kalkin the Avenger (10th avatar – coming – of Vishnu).
    So maybe the next generation will believe Orange Man was in reality the Maitreya
    but had His thousand-year Reign of peace and prosperity fraudulently taken away by –

    Hah! I´m beginning to see potential 😛

  37. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

    As C. J. Hopkins has written: Trump isn’t the threat: the people who elected him are.

    Trump was loathed by the élite because a very few of the things he said in the early stages could awake the sunk-in-slumber élite-abused populace. And, if they woke up, they’d be a serious threat.

    However, it seems there’s no way, no words, no brave politicians or figure, who can wake them up.
    The bullying is going to go on.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Trial by Wombat
  38. Once Biden forgives student loans (all or even some), Trump or the GOP or the patriot party, etc, will never win again. You all are forgetting the days of the boomer are numbered, and only sizable generation after will be the millennials. Thank God for that. An electorate with some common sense for once. If you’re ruled by hostile foreigners, you agitate for gibs. They are the only generation smart enough to understand that.

  39. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    Trump IS part of the elite, my friend.

  40. Catdog says:
    @Alfa158

    Trump being destroyed would be a good thing. He still has the potential to sabotage any potential good leader who steps up with his incompetence and oxygen-sucking.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Troll: TTSSYF
  41. anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    For posterity and various, current sewer rats:

    This is for aggregating publicly available items of evidence that would be admissible in court, not general election news stories or updates.

    https://hereistheevidence.com/

    (also posted elsewhere at UR)

    5 dancing shlomos

  42. Jokem says:

    ‘Does the liberal establishment, now back in power and controlling the House, Senate and presidency, not see how this is all going to look in the history books, generations hence?’

    No, they don’t. The electorate has short memories. This whole impeachment fiasco is based upon rage, not a commitment to public service.

  43. Garliv says:

    Good points. And it is true that Dems could be afraid of a Trump comeback. However, how would this be possible? The Dems plus all alphabetical agencies colluded to openly steal Nov 3 2020 elections when Trump was THE President; so how could he (Trump) make a comeback in 2024? No one is seriously thinking of reforming laws on voting to make elections credible.

    Trump won, he may even win on comeback but Establishment made it very clear and obvious it is those who count the votes that matters, not those casting them.

    • Agree: John Q Duped
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @anon
    , @Jokem
  44. @Garliv

    Totally agree……given the stolen election I see no reason to have any faith whatsoever in the voting process and I don’t see why most people would not feel the same.

    Politics is officially dead.

    All that we will see from now on is a kabuki theater charade, a dumbshow for dumb people.

    The government is utterly corrupt, the media is totally corrupt, the Supreme Court is corrupt, the intelligence agencies are corrupt……every control point is run by jews and is therefore totally corrupt.

    The only options are revolution or secession.

    • Agree: Macumazahn
  45. I want to think DJT’s heart was in the right place, but he literally had flagging support from within our wholly corrupt, jewish oligarch controlled government, military, intelligence and business sectors. Lame Duck President comes to mind.

    I’m glad that DJT took a shot at it and gave it a try. Perhaps ‘America’ is too corrupt and too far gone to save in its present form. Abraham Lincoln originally wanted to remove the ex slaves from North America and severely curtail jewish immigration to America. Can’t help but wonder how things might have been….

  46. @Corvinus

    Corvinus says:
    January 30, 2021 at 1:57 am GMT • 21.3 hours ago ↑
    @Trial by Wombat

    “I will take the Confederate Hero’s who defended their homes and families…”

    Along with their slaves?

    The slave owner class (in the North and South, at the time) was a precursor to the same ‘labor importer’ elite that still controls American society today – structured to outsource labor internationally and to import landless, captive surplus labor from other nations to pocket the ‘savings’.

    I would suggest reading Sherman’s nonsensical rant ahead of the staged burning of already surrendered Columbia SC, in which he concedes the current mass chattel slavery in Northern Republican cities, and states that he has no problem with this, his only disagreement is with Plantation slavery. Sherman’s complaint involves less than 4% of the population, who were an international elite beyond the control of the citizenry, as with modern-day labor importation dynasties.

    The average Southern family owned not a single slave, while the plantation class cartel, engaged in international trade, owned the super-majority of slaves. In most of the landmass of the upper south, you are well over the 95th percentile of Southerners who do not own a single slave. At a time when it was very common to have families of double-digit offspring, the typical subsistence farmer had all the free labor he needed. What he did not have was hard currency, only trade / barter commodities.

    Not only did slavery in no way benefit the average Southern farmer in any way, it deprived him of opportunities to hire out his own labor, to acquire capital to purchase land, which is exactly what the International Plantation cartels did not want him to be able to do, since it created competition for arable land that they wanted.

    If Southern whites are responsible for slavery that they did not participate in or profit from, then you are legally culpable for the labor importation schemes and outsourcing debacles that have stripped actual citizens of their livelihoods, in our own time, regardless of your own actual involvement.

    The slave labor system, like the modern labor importation scheme, was designed to game the system by a small, non-laboring class who wanted to sustain the system that predominated in Europe, and most of the rest of the world at the time, being a RENTIER system (i.e. Plantation of Ulster).

    The labor importer – then and now – devises means to deter a widespread landowner class, because they derive profit from an oversupply of captive, landless people. Most of the claimed “great financial geniuses” promoting themselves in our own times base their wealth on the Rentier system, which is an extortionary feudal pyramid that goes back as far as the earliest records of the populations in the fertile crescent.

    The reality is, whenever you see an international elite arranging a labor influx for their ‘good friends’ and donors, you are seeing the subversion of a nation-state, to the benefit of a cooperating financial elite – regardless of party – who aspire to monopolize the former state to their own corrupt gain, without their own labor.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    , @Corvinus
  47. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @Garliv

    2024, Trump supporters will have
    machetes in hand and will not leave
    during voting and counting.

    Several media mouthers will be
    tarred and feathered as examples.

    5ds

  48. @Anon

    However, it seems there’s no way, no words, no brave politicians or figure, who can wake them up.

    I would actually vote Republican again in a very limited scope, for instance if Tucker Carlson or Josh Hawley ran. I wish Hawley had sat out the stolen election fiasco, but I do comprehend his argument that he was seeking to allow a hearing on behalf of constituents who wanted one, not seeking to engage in the manufactured dispute.

    I think a wakeup call is in fact coming. The Trump plans were so ill-advised in its later days, that an already bad situation for him was turned into a complete disaster, in the long run. Trump and his movement have several real and continuing problems, almost all due to associating with those who were either profit-motivated or who verge into the realm of complete loons.

    I papered my first serious case in D.C. decades ago, back when you still wrote out a stack of hand-written paperwork, went to court liaison, and presented directly to the DC Prosecutor.

    When I finished my presentation, one prosecutor asked the younger prosecutor to leave, and motioned me to a seating area in their office. What he told me really did not fully register for maybe another decade, but he was a practical guy who was nearing the end of a traumatic career, sharing his wisdom with a new guy who he did not want to see come to a bad end.

    He told me, you did a great job, there is no problem with your case.
    But.. if I take this to trial, and the DC Jury sees a Tall, Blonde white cop testifying, what is going to happen is, the offender (approx 300 lbs) will walk, and you will end up with a case at the Citizens Review Board, and the best outcome will be they will fire you, once they see you. (I tackled the very large defendant as he fled on foot from me, with a notable assist from his own baggy pants)

    He then showed me a file of a white male officer who was reportedly sent to Lorton, after a long fought case arising from doing his job, and told me that ‘I cannot recommend that someone who looks like you act as primary arresting officer in any case in the District’, at the point.

    This is the jury pool that would preside over the events that spiraled out of control in D.C. I look at the entire event differently than the Trump fan’s, and what I look for is along a very narrow plane of probable cause. I am looking exclusively for a ‘path’. I am also considering the terrain that this path runs through.

    That Path is a reckless or greater elements of offense match up that would successfully bring those events into a criminal court. I do not say this as an advocate or promoter, but I do feel that even now, the elements match exists to allow a criminal action due to a variety of factors –

    No permit obtained to direct a march on the Capitol,
    Failure to lead or engage in any direct oversight as promised,
    Barricaded speech indicates no prior intention to fulfill leadership promise,
    knowledge that some of this particular crowd engage in delusional fantasies,
    not acting to countermand speakers using martial language at an event you preside over,
    using martial language yourself to an already irate crowd.
    moving any irate crowd is inherently dangerous, even if permitted.

    If I tell a group of special needs kids to train themselves in the use of chain saws, but throw in a qualifier that they should “be…careful”, this is unlikely to meet the standard of a reasonable direction, in its totality.

    Now, add in the nature of the court system which has purview over this case, and the reality is that none of this would be a difficult case to make or win. Its entirely possible that right now, the only real factor holding off action is the wait for cooperation agreements from those who are ‘small fish’. I personally doubt that the fallout from this rally is anywhere near its final conclusion.

  49. @Realist

    Americans are known for the longevity of their stupidity.

    Well, you are an old American.

    Hating your own people won’t change a goddamn thing.

    • Replies: @Realist
  50. @Trial by Wombat

    Corviebitch’s people most probably didn’t set foot on American soil till after the Civil War.

    Most of these boys who crow about the Yankee victory are descendants of turds who shuffled into America long after it was over and done. They’re just pathetic nigger loving front runners who grew up in some whitebread suburb.

  51. I guess I’m a sap, because I’m bitterly disappointed in Ben Sasse.
    As a resident of the shithole State of Washington, my “representatives” in the Senate are front-hole barnacles Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray. Worse yet, my “representative” in the House is one of the ten traitors – Jaime Herrera Beutler.
    I’ve long admired Senator Sasse as a voice of sanity, crying out in the wilderness. How great it was to hear him lecture his colleagues on their abdication of their duties during the Kavanaugh kerfuffle. It’s hard to see him succumb to TDS to such a degree that he’s now blind to the plain language of the Constitution.
    The Senate has no jurisdiction to try a private citizen. None. Full stop.
    In fact, one of the few things expressly forbidden by the Constitution is a “Bill of Attainder” – which is exactly what this sham “impeachment” amounts to.
    Go into the light, Senator, there’s still hope for your salvation.

  52. Smith says:

    Nah, they are terrified of Trumpsters who now have no pied piper (Trump) leading them off the cliff.

    The people who supported Trump have always been more real/dangerous than Trump himself.

  53. Jokem says:
    @Garliv

    Two things –
    Trump’s abrasive personality cost him enough votes for him to lose. I am not saying there were no shenanigans in the election, but I think he would have won by a big enough margin in the swing states where underhanded election tricks would have had to be too egregious to be ignored.

    Now with the Democrats in control of the Congress and Presidency, they can pass legislation to make it easier for more Democrats to be elected. If that means unconstitutional actions? Pack the court…

    They have two years to do it before the electorate hopefully gets fed up…

    • Replies: @Anon
  54. Trinity says:

    the “liberal establishment?” Man, you have to be kidding me. What next? How about “the deep state,” “military industrial complex,” “the liberal media,” …… Good lawd, enuff already. For what it is worth, there are probably 25 REAL LIBERALS IN AMERICA and I consider myself to be one of them, and I don’t think anything like the Jewish media, Creepy Joe, Scamala Harris, or Billary Clinton, all whom I consider to be anti-White racists to nth degree. Yes, there are White anti-White racists, just as there are Zionists who are not Jews, just ask Joe “I Am A Zionist” Biden. Well, at least they suck Zionist azz because that seems to further their career\$, whatever the reason, they are not for the American people or their interests. Anyone who refers to Jewish Supremacists and other anti-White racists in the year 2020 as “liberals,” really needs to rethink things. These groups are the antithesis of what a liberal is supposed to be, they are by far the most intolerant and racist people on the planet who wish to control ever aspect of other people’s lives. Now does that sound like a “liberal” to you, people? I would wager that Calypso Louie is more “liberal” than the average gay guy talking head on CNN.

    • Replies: @Anon
  55. I think you have it all wrong. The Impeachment (take 2) is classic misdirection. The Socialist Democrats stole this election. They are absolutely terrified of being fully investigated and held accountable. Sure they can discredit Trump by impeaching him ….but I believe it is a canard…designed to throw our useless Republican party a bone. The GOP will vote the impeachment down and trot themselves out in front of the cameras to buttress their 2022 re-elections. But the real goal, all along was the Socialist Democrat Coup. And they got away with it. Only because our Republican senators are Traitors and Cowards. Republicans are always three steps behind he amoral Democrats. We need a new party to fight this Communism. So tired of this Washington millionaires playing good cop, bad to distract, deflect and obscure their crimes. It is all a stage…a grand play. There is overwhelming evidence of fraud and the only Republican with enough balls to file articles of impeachment against Joe Biden is Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. They are already trying to remove her from the house. The Republicans are traitors. They are the opposite side of the isle that is also corrupt and lining their pockets with our tax dollars. Trump was throwing sand into a well oiled machine. They had to get him out of there. Now all they need to do is clamp down of the 75 Million or so “Domestic Terrorist”. Republicans are not equipped to fight this communism. They are feckless, limp wristed, cowards. We need a new Party or perhaps just an Armed Insurrection. I for one do not want to pay my Government one thin dime more. My Government does not represent me. I see nothing of my values and patriotism in my Government. These people are completely evil and corrupted.

  56. Realist says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Well, you are an old American.

    I grew up in the zenith of this country’s greatness…I resent the stupidity and indifference of the younger generations that drove this country into the shit hole it has become. You are a member of one of those generations.

    Hating your own people won’t change a goddamn thing.

    I don’t hate all American people just the stupid ones…do you feel the hate??? LOL

    • LOL: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  57. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Buchanan keeps talking about these “election” thingies like they’re real. Did someone just wake him up from a deep winter hibernation without telling him what happened in the past few months?

    • LOL: Trinity
  58. @Realist

    Glad you got that all worked out.

    I do find it pretty funny that the “younger generations” blame the older ones and vice versa.

    Boomer this Boomer that…lol

    An exercise in stupidity on the part of both.

    Of course, if the shoe fits…

  59. anastasia says:

    The constitution says that a Supreme court justice will preside over the impeachment proceedings of a President. Further, the constitution says that the purpose of impeachment is removal from office.

    In two ways, they are tearing up the constitution to do what they are doing, showing that they are violating the constitution and that the proceedings are wholly illegitimate. It is an illegitimate proceeding, evidencing a patently clear abuse of office.

    Impeachment proceedings should be brought against all those voting to violate the constitution.

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @TTSSYF
  60. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jokem

    The cheating was huge. That’s why they had to stop counting, and do their things by night.
    More cheating than they expected was needed: so they took a pause, and the co-ordinators (surely there were some) planned the next step, to enact during the night.

  61. Jokem says:
    @anastasia

    Tearing up the Constitution is an old story, this started long before we were born.
    Remember, the Constitution means what you feel like it means at the moment, not what it says.

  62. @follyofwar

    President Trump did not call on Mike Pence to cancel the Electoral College vote. He wanted the certification to be delayed until the legislatures in the contested states had the week or so necessary to further investigate the “alleged” fraud in the election.

    This was entirely constitutional, but any such investigation was, and remains, mysteriously unacceptable to the DC Establishment. Why would that be?

  63. TTSSYF says:
    @anastasia

    If the ‘rats can impeach Trump when he’s out of office, I say let’s impeach Obama for his crimes against Trump both before and after Trump was elected.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Jokem
  64. Cking says:

    The ‘Impeachment’ is covering up the crimes and treason of the Congress and VP Mike Pence who stole the Landslide victory the American people gave to President Trump and instead installed Joe Biden. The evidence of Election Fraud is abundant, much of it recorded on the state records, Television, and several like public/MSM/ Information sharing platforms, like YouTube. Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, General Flynn’s lawyer, Sydney Powell, Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, and many others, gave testimony regarding Election Fraud, recorded on all these medias.

    The devious Congress committed the violence on our US Constitution, on the US citizenry’s political power through the vote, to ignore, look the other way, slander and give false testimony as to the law and facts before them. They committed Electoral Fraud representing to the American that they had genuinely certified Electoral Votes before them and all they had to do was count the votes and certify what could not possibly be certified. It’s the country we live in, a government that applies an Income Tax, an excise tax, on the every member of the working adult citizenry, that cannot be physically applied to any human being, especially a US citizen but the law profession, the Courts, and the Congress, ignores the crime and the economy, our existential system, suffers. The Congress and the Federal Reserve Bank will do anything for the Wall St. system. The Congress along with the Fed can only organize America’s wealth, money and credit to wage war which is why they’re so hostile to Trump and the Deplorable Citizenry. The Congress for decades has kept a lid on the Oligarchical ordered slow destruction of the United States for Globalization’s Communist Domination. Jan. 6th, 2021, when we wake up, will be remembered as the day that will live in infamy; an atrocious spectacle, and all we get is the monotonous MSM repeat of a small group of citizens entering the Capitol Building invited and uninvited. Yet, every member of Congress is getting away with murder.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  65. Corvinus says:
    @Trial by Wombat

    “The slave owner class (in the North and South, at the time) was a precursor to the same ‘labor importer’ elite that still controls American society today – structured to outsource labor internationally and to import landless, captive surplus labor from other nations to pocket the ‘savings’.”

    The difference being that the workers associated with the “labor importer elite”, i.e. big business owners of the late 1800’s, had legal rights compared to black slaves.

    “concedes the current mass chattel slavery in Northern Republican cities”

    The more apt description is industrialist imposed prohibitions and restrictions on laborers to earn a fair, decent wage. Again, workers in urban cities in the North had protected freedoms. You are overselling your case.

    “If Southern whites are responsible for slavery that they did not participate in or profit from, then you are legally culpable for the labor importation schemes and outsourcing debacles that have stripped actual citizens of their livelihoods, in our own time, regardless of your own actual involvement.”

    Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. According to the 1860 census, 20 percent of families in Arkansas owned slaves, in North Carolina it was 28%, in Alabama it was 35%. Assuredly, these families benefitted from free labor since the southern economy was predicated on cash crop agriculture, most notably cotton.

    “The reality is, whenever you see an international elite arranging a labor influx for their ‘good friends’ and donors, you are seeing the subversion of a nation-state, to the benefit of a cooperating financial elite – regardless of party – who aspire to monopolize the former state to their own corrupt gain, without their own labor.”

    Indeed, as southerners should have picked their own damn cotton, and northern industrialists should have been held accountable for their own ambitions and machinations.

  66. Corvinus says:
    @Cking

    “The evidence of Election Fraud is abundant…”

    LOL, no. But perhaps you can explain these matters.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/15/american-thinker-conservative-blog-apologizes-for-/

    “These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” reads the rest of the statement. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.”

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2020-12-09/trump-camp-loses-nevada-high-court-bid-to-nullify-election

    “Appellants have not pointed to any unsupported factual findings, and we have identified none,” the justices said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    • Replies: @Cking
  67. @Robert Dolan

    You are correct sir.
    I predicted 2 years ago that Trump would be the Great Betrayer.
    He has been a cheerful, smiling, Judas-goat Jew-boy servant.
    He bought his family a permanent future place at THE TABLE
    with the Big Boyz (faggots and pedophiles the lot of them).

    Just watch how ‘Barron Trump’ runs in the future Weimerica in about 30 years.
    If we make it that far…….

  68. Cking says:
    @Corvinus

    I’ll tell you right now, neither I and most of the US electorate, believe for a minute that Joe Biden received 12 million more votes than President Obama. And I’m sure Obama received a lot of ‘help’ in his election. It’s just not possible.

    I am not familiar with your information, it’s not broadcast on the MSM, I can’t speak to it. What’s an apology to \$millions spent in court costs? That’s almost a win-win. However, you of the sophisticated class know; you don’t have to be guilty to be sent to prison in this country. Why do people ‘settle’, ‘plead’, ‘apologize’ ‘allocute’? Because the in this country, the accused, victims of crimes, the injured, and the innocent, can’t afford justice. At some point in the entanglements of the legal system, all-of-a-sudden, ‘It’s not about justice’. I’m sure there are plenty of lawyers that can inform you on the subterfuge and its’ inherent inducement of hopelessness in the courts system. People do what they do, on the information they have, the resources available, and able to access if more resources are needed. And if you are unfortunate, you can only think in terms of survival and that includes innocent men and women accepting a very qualified ‘justice’ and/or a sentence that sends them to prison for a few years. Happens all the time, I’m told. You should be concerned.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  69. Trump was doomed from day one. Reince Preibus and Kelley Ann Conway were fully committed to Trump’s total destruction. As if it wasn’t obvious. Why did Trump keep Conway whose husband worked on the Lincoln Project committed to Trump’s destruction? Conway has always been an establishment Republican mouth piece, and so was Priebus, in fact, everyone in Yrump’s team was, except for Jared and Ivanka who were mouth pieces for Netenyahu. Now, the Lincoln Project has bern totally dicredited for pedophila. I wish that I could say that it is surprising, but unfortunately, it is not surprising at all.

    Andrea Iravani

  70. I find that a brief re-acquaintance with Walter Karp’s ‘Indispensable Enemies’, concerning the numerous incidents in US history where the oligarchs co-operated, across ‘party’ lines, to destroy populists who threatened elite rule, explains the Trump Derangement Syndrome pretty well. Clinton lost because they believed their own propaganda and didn’t properly prepare to steal the election, as she stole the primary from a co-operative Boynie. NO such mistake this time.

    • Agree: Rurik
  71. @Mr. Cracker

    As Jay Gould, a mega-plutocrat said back in the first Gilded Age, ‘I can ire half the working class to kill the other half’. In any case ecological collapse will soon render all these fripperies moot.

  72. @Rurik

    The top three State Department diplo-thugs are Zionist Jews, so there will be blood. A mere goy may not observe that phenomenon and comment on it, without being damned as an ‘antisemite’, but Jewish publications on-line are crowing with delight. Perhaps they are all ‘self-hating while self-congratulating Jews’.

  73. MEexpert says:

    Maybe the gutless Republican party needs to be gutted down. Let us hope from the ashes of the present GOP will rise a more solid Republican party dedicated to the principles on which this country was built with “liberty and justice” for all. It will take some time and we will have to face the indignity of being rulled by the numbskulls. There is not a single republican who is principled enough to be trusted. Let us throw them all out and elect those with proper credentials properly vetted out to the new congress. It will take time but we can rebuild our majority in the congress which will be
    longer lasting than the present one.

  74. Corvinus says:
    @Cking

    “I’ll tell you right now, neither I and most of the US electorate, believe for a minute that Joe Biden received 12 million more votes than President Obama. And I’m sure Obama received a lot of ‘help’ in his election. It’s just not possible.”

    You don’t have to believe it, but it legitimately happened.

    “I am not familiar with your information, it’s not broadcast on the MSM, I can’t speak to it.”

    OK, but what do you think? You can read the sources provided.

    “However, you of the sophisticated class know; you don’t have to be guilty to be sent to prison in this country.”

    Why do you think I am part of this “sophisticated class”? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

    “Why do people ‘settle’, ‘plead’, ‘apologize’ ‘allocute’? Because the in this country, the accused, victims of crimes, the injured, and the innocent, can’t afford justice. At some point in the entanglements of the legal system, all-of-a-sudden, ‘It’s not about justice’. I’m sure there are plenty of lawyers that can inform you on the subterfuge and its’ inherent inducement of hopelessness in the courts system. People do what they do, on the information they have, the resources available, and able to access if more resources are needed. And if you are unfortunate, you can only think in terms of survival and that includes innocent men and women accepting a very qualified ‘justice’ and/or a sentence that sends them to prison for a few years. Happens all the time, I’m told. You should be concerned.”

    OK, thanks for your opinion. But what you said is other than relevant to your claim “the evidence of Election Fraud is abundant”. So what exactly is the proof?

    • Replies: @Cking
  75. Jokem says:
    @TTSSYF

    Or, making a treaty with a hostile foreign power we don’t have diplomatic relations with, without consent of the Senate?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  76. Incitatus says:

    “Is the Establishment Still Terrified of Trump?”

    Are you kidding? Trump is the establishment with fan-boys like you. Unapologetic master of insider self-serving media and controversy, dependent on speculation and debt. Brags his fans would support him if he murdered someone on Fifth Avenue (that’s how bright they are).

    And indeed, they do. 440,000+ dead so far due to Trump’s criminal negligence. He knew it was deadly, lied, said it was just like the flue and would go away; excoriated simple protective measures (masks) because he wanted to be macho, quit the WHO, discounted public health measures and assured his cult “I know more about viruses than anyone.” [20 Jan 2020].

    No federal taxes in ten of fifteen years, \$750 each in 2016 and 2017. Loves America, just doesn’t want to pay for it. Five deferments, disability (bone spurs). Loves America, just doesn’t want to fight for it. Four+ bankruptcies, three wives (two immigrants, the last with chain migration of retired Communists parents). Paid \$188,561 tax 2013-2015 to China from a secret Chinese bank account. A daughter with numerous Chinese trademarks (manufacturing hand-bags, cosmetics, you name it in China), many negotiated while tough-talking daddy was taking China to task.

    “As soon as the Senate received the lone article of impeachment accusing President Donald Trump of “incitement of insurrection” in the Jan. 6 mob assault on the Capitol, Rand Paul rose to object.
    The Senate, he said, has no right to try a private citizen, which Trump now is. Thus, what we are about to do is flatly unconstitutional.
    Forty-five of 50 Republican members agreed with Paul’s motion.”

    Rand forgot William Belknap (2 Mar 1876). But then, Rand is a ‘libertarian’ willing to excuse violent efforts to overturn Constitutional electoral votes certified by states. Spanner in the works, just as namesake former Bolshevik and nonsensical author Ayn Rand would have wished (scorn the State, accept SSI).

    The Trump GOP thinks ‘There was widespread vote fraud — but not in states that went for Trump, and certainly not for any GOP pro-Trump candidate’. What a surprise! ‘Pussy grabber’ Trump is their immaculate conception.

    McConnell (GOP establishment) put off the Senate trial for due diligence while espousing criticism of Trump; then voted with Rand against the very maneuver he sponsored (trial after leaving office). That’s the GOP brain trust. “Kentucky values”. Totally self-serving, transparently corrupt. Kentucky gets \$45.174 billion more from the Federal government than it pays in taxes – \$2.41 back for every dollar paid; \$10,110 federal welfare per Kentuckian). It’s a welfare state with leaders that opine on ‘fiscal responsibility and ‘Constitutional values’ while abiding none.

    “Blue State Socialists/Marxists” like New York State pays \$22 billion more than it receives back. Same story for Blue New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. All to fund ‘holier-than-thou’ GOP welfare states on the take.

    Is that Socialism/Marxism? Taking from the few (blue) to benefit a select (red)? Give us a hint, Mr. Buchannan.

    “Chief Justice John Roberts, the constitutional officer designated to preside over Senate impeachment trials, has said he will not preside over this latest trial of the ex-president.”

    Don’t blame him. He’s already (with his family) the target of ‘Trump won 2020 ‘conspiracists calling for his execution. Did you forget that part?

    That’s how bad it’s gotten.

    And you. Pat? What circle of Dante do you envision?

    Give us a hint

  77. Cking says:
    @Corvinus

    Gee, when I said you were of the sophisticated class, I was being facetious.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  78. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    Liberal/Conservative are no longer meaningful terms in our country. Washington DC is a One Party Globalist \$ystem, which is powered by a Para\$itic Central Banking Cabal. This Deep-State-Cabal is ambidextrous and switches back-and-forth from left-to-right like a pendulum every 4 to 8 years on average. Presently we are experiencing the Radical-Leftist-Side of this increasingly powerful Authoritarian Globalist Regime. The further this pendulum swings to the right, the further it will consequently swing back to the left, and then again back to the right…until the system eventually collapses into the abyss (economic collapse, war, etc.).

    This is the ultimate goal of this Authoritarian Globalist Parasitic Central Banking Regime: to bleed-dry the U\$A, run it into the ground, turn it into a Third World Country, move shop to China, and eventually rule over a Globalist Technocracy (Great Re\$et ~ New World Order).

    The Good News is: this plan will eventually fail! We are on to them…their days are numbered!

    The Bad News is: they are now very desperate…so it will probably get worse before it starts getting better.

    Be Positive and Pro-Active: encourage your friends to start a new Journal titled:
    ” Alternative World – Pheonix Rises From The Ashes – Alternative Infrastructure, Banking, Supply-Chains etc. ”

    • Troll: Corvinus
  79. @Jokem

    Which hostile foreign power are you referring to?

    • Troll: Jokem
    • Replies: @Jokem
  80. Sulu says:

    Impeachment is a cheap way to insure Trump will never be again able to run for office, thereby upsetting the Democratic apple cart. After all fixing a Presidential Election must be prohibitively expensive and it has the added risk of waking up a few more of the rubes.

    You have to be pretty damn thick to believe that the last election was anything other than stolen.

    Sulu

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  81. Corvinus says:
    @Cking

    Just as I suspected, the questions I posed, well, you have to avoid answering them, because it’s going to lead to some uncomfortable feelings. But that’s how people grown and learn.

    No, the election was not stolen. The huge numbers of absentee votes have thrown conservatives for a loop, because they’ve made the vote counting process much less intuitive than it was in previous elections. The procedures for counting the absentee votes vary substantially between states, between counties in the same state, and even between municipalities in the same county. So the timing and granularity of vote count reports was different from one place to the next, generating suspicion and confusion.

    The confusion was exacerbated because it just took way longer to count the vastly larger numbers of these ballots. Laws that absentee ballots could not be counted before election day suddenly were much more relevant and resulted in delayed reporting. Some of these “late night vote dumps” were in fact reports of votes counted by large numbers of people working continuously from the moment they were legally allowed to start counting. It just took them a long time to finish.

    Trump knew that the mail in votes favored Democrats so even before the election he started sowing doubt about them, knowing that in the swing states he would “win” on election night and then lose later on once the absentee ballots were counted. And everything has proceeded according to that plan.

    The problem with this is that, despite all the hand waving, no one has any substantial proof that this actually happened on a large scale. If there was some kind of vast conspiracy, someone would have talked by now. All the “evidence” offered by Trump and by conspiracy theorists here and elsewhere has not really panned out or was just blowing smoke to begin with.

    Furthermore, when Trump’s numerous lawyers are pressed in court, they are not employing that word since they lack the type of evidence to move the case forward and are not going to risk getting disbarred for perjury. It is desirable to yell the election was stolen since it keeps the angry base more inclined to give donations.

    Of course, right-wing, partisan media outlets (Breitbart, The Gateway Pundit, and Just the News) often go further than resharing or decontextualizing content: they also rewrite news stories originally reported by other outlets, and republish them with a new and often misleading partisan framing. In the stories we’ve analyzed, these outlets modify headlines and add sentences to suggest that individual election and mail irregularities represent widespread fraud and electoral uncertainty. These outlets were outliers from the other news organizations in our dataset, because they both appeared in many different incidents that we analyzed, and their content was often shared widely on Twitter.

    Remember, Trump stated 100 percent he would win no matter what. If he won, there was no fraud. If he lost, there was massive fraud. That is insane, given how many people were not fans of him or his policies, including Republicans.

    And the fact that Republican candidates did better than Trump in down-ballot races means that voters split their votes. Enough Republican voters had made up their minds in the weeks before the election that Trump was not what they expected of a president and voted accordingly. Furthermore, a lot of it can be exampled by increased black turnout rates and Trump’s drop in support among white men could be explained by his facing off against another white male this time.

    Put all of these things together, and this result need not be explained by massive, perpetual fraud at all.

    • Disagree: Sulu
  82. Ragno says:

    Pat:

    No “mob stormed the Capitol”. A few hundred yahoos and LARPers, at most, attempted to – and their “insurrection” consisted mostly of tourist selfies and children running with scissors.

    If Trump had intended a coup, he’d have sent in armed troops. Meanwhile, in the real world, he was still addressing a quarter-million supporters when the dunce-cap freikorps were invading the shoddy sanctum sanctorum of our Congress.

    Still, we got a taste of our immediate future when an unarmed white woman was shot dead by a black cop (whose identity is now being shielded as though he were the Unknown Soldier of the 21st Century. That he’s still alive and well is just par for the course for a nation in deep, deep decline). Had a white cop shot a BLM crazy dead during one of last year’s ‘mostly-peaceful’ melees, we’d still be reading about it in the NYT, months…. and years…. later.

    When an anarchist mob stormed the Capital in 2016, freely assaulting attendees, not a single charge was brought against any of them – at least, none that weren’t immediately dismissed with a wink and a grin from party-apparatchiks in black robes. Of all the phony “arrests” of murderous radicals who looted and burned our cities throughout 2020, I doubt a single miscreant was so much as fingerprinted by the Soros-puppet DAs and police chiefs who sent them through the revolving door that now constitutes “justice” for everyone but white people who exercise their rights as law-abiding citizens.

    So please – lighten up with the “mob stormed the Capitol” talk. You’re in your 80s now, Pat – there’s nothing they can punish you with now; not even for speaking the plain truth.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  83. Corvinus says:
    @Ragno

    The fact of the matter is that a mob, incited by Trump, stormed the Capitol. Perhaps they should have heeded calls by law enforcement to not breach it. Why didn’t they listen to the men in blue? I thought they back the badge…

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Ragno
  84. @saggy

    I think it was about time that all those poo-bahs in Congress got a little frightened of the people who pay their salaries, their free health care, their propaganda machines, their three houses, their faces on tv, etc. The election was not free, it was rigged by facebook, twitter, and the rest of that crew. and behind it all was Hillary Clinton, who determined to take down Trump after she lost to him. Stop ignoring history.

  85. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that a mob, incited by Trump, stormed the Capitol.

    Ridiculous! Any one that believes what ever comes out of the mouths of the talking heads of the Jewish propaganda machine is a fool. If CNN told me my mother loved me I would seek three independent sources. You are quick to believe such tripe for the simple reason that it fits your world view and you want to believe it.

    The issue here is that there is a large enough body of evidence to suggest that the election was stolen. The fact that the courts won’t even address the problem by viewing the evidence is, in and of itself, further proof of fraud and complicity on their parts. The fact that every Jew owned news organization refuses to even consider the possibility suggests that they don’t want the matter looked into because even a cursory examination of the evidence would uncover the fraud.

    Yes, Corvinus, the Democrats have regained power. But they did so at the cost of election integrity. Face it. The Republic has fallen!

    Half the people in America have just woken up to the fact that their vote doesn’t count. This could lead to a rather unfortunate future for America. Secession and or possible Civil War is an increasingly likely possibility. But hey, your guy won so it’s all good. Right?

    Sulu

    • Thanks: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  86. Ragno says:
    @Corvinus

    No, Baby Einstein…..had Trump intended to seize back power via a coup he’d have sent in armed troops, not LARPing boobs armed with Androids. Who incidentally “stormed” the hallowed halls of America’s fixers twenty minutes before Trump finished addressing the quarter-million people who’d shown up to hear him speak.

    Lucky for me you’re an open book, every page blank; which saves me the shoe leather required to scan back over a year’s worth of your comments to see if you’d ever referred to the actual siege of our cities with terms like “storming.” Or, for that matter, if you’d ever once displayed any anger and disgust at your army of orcs as they broke stuff, stole shit, burned places and kicked unconscious human beings in the head.

    Recognizing the civic necessity of police and policing is as far as I’ve ever gone – I’ve never once kidded myself, nor anyone else, that The Cops Are Your Friends. Anyway, it’s YOUR turn to “back the badge” now, remember? I always get a kick of watching you guys playact at being Good Americans, especially now when it’s just the millennial edition of being a Good Soviet Citizen – or at least a Party Member in Good Standing. Anyway, we both know that pose’ll be as temporary as a Band-Aid……

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  87. Jokem says:
    @Greta Handel

    You really cannot figure this out yourself?

  88. I’d say that the beltway morons have not got the message that the electorate was sending to them by electing Donald Trump in 2016. It was, “shape up or be fired”. They chose to be fired.

  89. Derer says:

    All the Democrats’ political crimes of eliminating formidable political adversary by dishonest means – fraudulent dossier, Mueller waste, Stormy joke, tapping calls, election fraud – will be certified or rejected by the midterm 2022 election. How can Biden call for freeing political prisoners in other countries when his Democrats’ administration cultivate the same deplorable practice.

  90. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “Ridiculous! Any one that believes what ever comes out of the mouths of the talking heads of the Jewish propaganda machine is a fool”.

    Pray tell, are Jews in your closet or under your bed?

    “You are quick to believe such tripe for the simple reason that it fits your world view and you want to believe it.”

    Says the slave to confirmation bias.

    “The issue here is that there is a large enough body of evidence to suggest that the election was stolen.”

    No. Refer to my Comment 67 and get back to me. Perhaps you have the intellectual chops to offer a cogent rebuttal? Not getting my hopes up.

    “This could lead to a rather unfortunate future for America. Secession and or possible Civil War is an increasingly likely possibility.”

    UNLIKELY possibility. I’ve been hearing this nonsense for decades. It’s always a “well, now’s the right time, but when it is, just wait”.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  91. Corvinus says:
    @Ragno

    “had Trump intended to seize back power via a coup he’d have sent in armed troops, not LARPing boobs armed with Androids.”

    The military was never going to back him up, so he and his war council came up with Plan B with his die hard supporters, not LARPers (how odd for you to characterize White Americans in that fashion), taking the brunt.

    “Who incidentally “stormed” the hallowed halls of America’s fixers twenty minutes before Trump finished addressing the quarter-million people who’d shown up to hear him speak.”

    No quotes needed for stormed. Indeed, there was a healthy dose of Trump supporters at the Capitol before reinforcements arrived. All they needed was a little push.

    “Or, for that matter, if you’d ever once displayed any anger and disgust at your army of orcs as they broke stuff, stole shit, burned places and kicked unconscious human beings in the head.”

    What “army of orcs” are you referring to?

    “Recognizing the civic necessity of police and policing is as far as I’ve ever gone – I’ve never once kidded myself, nor anyone else, that The Cops Are Your Friends.”

    But the men and women in blue are our friends. Why you mad, bro?

    “I always get a kick of watching you guys playact at being Good Americans, especially now when it’s just the millennial edition of being a Good Soviet Citizen”

    Wait, I thought I was a Bad American, aka a Bad White. Do you even know if you are coming or going?

  92. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvius.

    I have not seen one post from you since I started reading Unz that would indicate you have the intellectual capacity exceeding that of a turnip. You are what the Soviets used to call a “useful idiot.”

    Pray tell, are Jews in your closet or under your bed?

    No, you imbecile, the Jews are not under my bed. They are in my government with dual citizenship passports. And they own the media. Two places where they can do the most harm. Everything you see on the news got there with the tacit approval of some Jew. They are in positions of power where they can control the narrative and push their own agenda. If you are unwilling to acknowledge this rather obvious fact then you are either the complete fool that I suspect you are or you are being disingenuous. The fact that you try and pass it off by attempting to ridicule it suggest that you know damn well it’s a fact. Why are you unwilling to admit this Corvinus? Are you trying to claim that the Jews do not own the U.S. media? You’re not doing damage control for the tribe are you?

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  93. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “I have not seen one post from you since I started reading Unz that would indicate you have the intellectual capacity exceeding that of a turnip. You are what the Soviets used to call a “useful idiot.”

    That’s illogical (Spock brow).

    See–then again, you don’t–it must be easy for you to other than critically think and remain a slave to confirmation bias. YOU were the one who insisted “The issue here is that there is a large enough body of evidence to suggest that the election was stolen.” So I provided three sources in Comment 67 that counter your assertion. Why are you avoiding so hard to not address those facts?

    “No, you imbecile, the Jews are not under my bed. They are in my government with dual citizenship passports. And they own the media.”

    Ah, the Jews are in your closet.

    “Everything you see on the news got there with the tacit approval of some Jew”.

    No, the news “got there” because something happened and it was reported/recorded. It’s just that you are uncomfortable with the fact that white people make decisions about race and culture from a wide range of sources.

    “They are in positions of power where they can control the narrative and push their own agenda. If you are unwilling to acknowledge this rather obvious fact…”

    More like an alternative fact. Again, it’s easy for you to go this route by thinking we can’t have nice things because of Jews. Your handlers must be pleased you are easy to persuade.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  94. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus,

    I couldn’t help but notice that you completely neglected to answer any of my questions. So, once again I will ask. Do you deny that the Jews own the American New Media? You know, CNN, ABC, NBC? Or, perhaps more to the point, are you Jewish, Corvinus?

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  95. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    The American media is owned by companies. Jews are part of those companies, and they may even lead them. What you saying is that, beyond any doubt, they “own” and “control” the news by way of manufacturing a narrative, with the sole intention to dupe whites. Simply…no. Again, the news “got there” because something happened and it was reported/recorded. It’s just that you are uncomfortable with the fact that white people make decisions about race and culture from a wide range of sources. And there need not be any critical thinking on your part–everything or almost everything you read in the MSM just **has to** to be a lie. You are a slave to confirmation bias.

    Read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    Now focus on the topic at hand–YOU were the one who insisted “The issue here is that there is a large enough body of evidence to suggest that the election was stolen.” So I provided three sources in Comment 67 that counter your assertion. Why are you avoiding so hard to not address those facts?

    • Replies: @Sulu
  96. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    The answer to that is quite simple. Because you either wish to promote the same agenda as the Jewish Media or you are foolish enough to believe every story that comes out of their mouths. Since you seem to be on this forum constantly doing damage control for the tribe I am going to assume that it is the former as opposed to the latter.

    If you want an example of obvious news media lying in an attempt to portray a false narrative we need to look no further than the Nick Sandmann story. CNN and others were so anxious to portray a group of Whites as the aggressors that they forgot that theirs may not have been the only video taken of the incident. This allowed Sandmann to successively sue the JEWISH owned media for millions for libel. Kind of deflates your view of the media being sacrosanct, doesn’t it?

    And no, I don’t think the media always lies. For the simple reason that for lies to be effective they generally need to be believed and if the media lied constantly their effectiveness would decrease. But they do indeed lie all to frequently because they have an agenda they wish to push. That, by the way, would be theJEWISH AGENDA.

    One good thing that came out of the 16 election is it opened the eyes of the great unwashed to the extent to which the media lies. The 20 election underlined this and also demonstrated that we are no longer a democracy since the election was a total fraud. We are in effect being occupied by a foreign power, namely Israel. The Jews are so blatant about the fact that the occupiers in our government hold dual American/Israeli citizenship and fly the Israeli flag along with the American flag behind whoever happens to be President.

    Sulu

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  97. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “Because you either wish to promote the same agenda as the Jewish Media or you are foolish enough to believe every story that comes out of their mouths.”

    You didn’t carefully read Unz’s advice. Take stories from different sources, make comparisons, and draw a conclusion. That is how a rational adult operates. There is no “agenda” by the “Jewish Media”. Rather, there are reports and stories by reporters, some of which are pieces where opinions are provided based on available evidence. Feel free to question how those interpretations were arrived.

    “Since you seem to be on this forum constantly doing damage control for the tribe I am going to assume that it is the former as opposed to the latter.”

    False conclusion. Obviously, anything that interferes with your narrative, you must label it as “running interference for Jews”. It is an other than rational approach.

    “If you want an example of obvious news media lying in an attempt to portray a false narrative we need to look no further than the Nick Sandmann story.”

    Indeed, that story was bungled. But a rational person analyzes each report and story, rather than taking this situation and making a sweeping generalization.

    “Kind of deflates your view of the media being sacrosanct, doesn’t it?”

    Thanks for the strawman.

    “For the simple reason that for lies to be effective they generally need to be believed and if the media lied constantly their effectiveness would decrease. But they do indeed lie all to frequently because they have an agenda they wish to push. That, by the way, would be theJEWISH AGENDA.”

    No Jewish Agenda, friend. Just the media reporting. No “lie all too frequently”. Just certain overzealous reporting. You really are caught in the web of confirmation bias.

    “One good thing that came out of the 16 election is it opened the eyes of the great unwashed to the extent to which the media lies.”

    LOL, great unwashed. More like certain groups of people have doubled on this notion of “Fake News”. The fact of the matter is that white Americans are more than capable of disseminating information and make their own decisions about race and culture, which you find personally distressing.

    “We are in effect being occupied by a foreign power, namely Israel. The Jews are so blatant about the fact that the occupiers in our government hold dual American/Israeli citizenship and fly the Israeli flag along with the American flag behind whoever happens to be President.”

    I take it back. Jews are in your closet AND under your bed.

    “The 20 election underlined this and also demonstrated that we are no longer a democracy since the election was a total fraud.”

    To the contrary, Comment 67 addresses your falsehood. It is other than surprising you are avoiding those uncomfortable truths.

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @Sulu
  98. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    Indeed, that story was bungled.

    If by bungled you mean the Jewish media didn’t succeed in their lies about the group of which Sandmann was a part I agree with you. The Jew media had an agenda and tried to portray Sandmann, a young White man, as the aggressor in an encounter with other demonstrators on the scene. They were caught out by the simple fact that other video proved them to be liars. This no doubt cost the Yids millions, which is one of the few ways one can manage to get a Jews attention. You seem quite anxious to avoid those uncomfortable truths.

    I said:

    We are in effect being occupied by a foreign power, namely Israel. The Jews are so blatant about the fact that the occupiers in our government hold dual American/Israeli citizenship and fly the Israeli flag along with the American flag behind whoever happens to be President.

    And you responded with:

    I take it back. Jews are in your closet AND under your bed.

    So, once again your only response is a feeble attempt at ridicule that at the same time completely side steps the question of whether I am right or not. Typical Yid maneuver.

    Don’t bother trying to answer the charge Corvinus. I know damn well I am right about the Jews occupying our government. They hold dual citizenship. But one cannot serve two masters. And they don’t. They serve the interest of Israel.

    And finally you have yet to answer the question of your ethnicity. Just admit you are a Jew Corvinus. I know you think you gain some advantage by hiding the fact that you are Jewish. But really, considering your posts, it seems almost a moot point for me to ask.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  99. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “If by bungled you mean the Jewish media…”

    Media, NOT “Jewish media”.

    “And you responded with…”

    Indeed. You are CONSUMED by Jews.

    “You seem quite anxious to avoid those uncomfortable truths.”

    Not in the least. The story was bungled. Now I NOTICE that you are working overtime to avoid addressing Comment 67; instead, you accuse me of being Jewish. Rest assured, I am Goy. Pure Goy. I have stated that on numerous occasions on this fine opinion webzine I am German, Dutch, and Polish. No Jewish blood.

    But that seems to be a go-to for some people whenever they are intellectually cornered to make that accusation.

  100. Sulu says:

    If you are indeed pure Goy, as you state and which I very much doubt, I feel sorry for you because you are indeed lost. You are making excuses for the people that are destroying your race. And I can’t imagine anyone so clueless as to be unaware of the fact that the JEWS own and control our media as I have stated numerous times and you have quite pointlessly tried to refute. That alone destroys any credibility that you may think you possess.

    But I am content to go with my first assessment of you. You are probably a Jew doing damage control for the tribe.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @Corvinus
  101. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I did not know Rupert Murdoch was Jewish…

    • Replies: @Sulu
  102. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    Murdoch’s mother was Elizabeth Joy Greene, an Orthodox Jew. Since Jews are matrilineal that makes him Jewish. But you have to dig deeper than wikipedia to find it.

    His support for far right Zionism is a matter of record. Former New York Governor George Pataki said, “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the [Murdoch’s] New York Post.”

    Do try and keep up Jokem.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jokem
  103. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “If you are indeed pure Goy, as you state and which I very much doubt…”

    Of course you have to convince yourself there is doubt, you have to uphold the narrative–anyone who disagrees with you is Jewish or has Jewish sympathies. That is illogical (Spock brow).

    “I feel sorry for you because you are indeed lost.”

    I’m actually where I am suppose to be.

    “You are making excuses for the people that are destroying your race.”

    Do whites have free will? Are they able to make their own decisions regarding race and culture? Must ALL whites follow your thought process, lest they be declared Jews or Jewish panderers?

    Furthermore, what exactly constitutes “destroying your race”? What metrics are you employing here?

    “And I can’t imagine anyone so clueless as to be unaware of the fact that the JEWS own and control our media…”

    Actually, companies own and control the media, some of which are headed by Jews. Once you adhere to the advice of Ron Unz–which I provided to you–then you will be free from confirmation bias. Good luck to you in this endeavor.

    “But I am content to go with my first assessment of you.”

    Be content with being dead wrong.

    Speaking of credibility, care to refute Comment 67? Or are you going to continue avoiding the truth because it makes you uncomfortable?

    • Replies: @Sulu
  104. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I frequent this web site to find out new things. Snarky comments like yours devalue your credibility.

  105. Sulu says:

    I assumed that you were being snarky with me by claiming you didn’t know Murdoch was Jewish. (The implication being that he isn’t.) If it was a straight up comment from you then I do apologize and retract my Snarky comment.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jokem
  106. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    If you want a refutation of your comment 67 please go to http://www.dailystormer.cn and watch the Mike Lindell video. Then get back with me.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  107. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    Very well. Just because you say so, does not mean he is.
    And even if he is, support for the only Democratic Government in the Middle East (unless you count Turkey) is hardly a cause for vilification.
    There are those with Jewish blood, Milton Friedman for instance, who called for devolving the power of the Federal Government downward, and decentralization of power in the USA.
    Just because someone has Jewish Blood, does not mean they are part of this gravitation for Socialism we seem to see in America.
    There are also those without Jewish ancestry, who want to Socialize this country.
    So claiming it is a Jewish conspiracy does not fit the facts as perfectly as you seem to declare.
    I am sure Jews have influence, as do other organizations with an agenda.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  108. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    Very well. Just because you say so, does not mean he is.

    Google is your friend. But, as I said, you have to dig a little bit beeper than wikipedia to find it.

    A lot of people have an agenda. But the Jews do seem to be in front. And I am continually amazed at the number of White people that simply do not know the Jews own and therefore control the media. Everything you see on network t.v. got there with the tacit approval of some Jew.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jokem
  109. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    No, I seek YOUR refutation. Lindell repeats the same falsehoods and misinformation as heard before.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  110. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I am not sure you are right, but maybe close enough. There are enough Jews in the USA where no doubt there is at least one involved in the decision making process as to what makes the news.
    Just because they have Jewish lineage does not mean they are part of a conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  111. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    You don’t seek ANYTHING other than to do damage control for the Jews and to spew your own inane bullshit in the hope that some uninformed readers will buy into it. Only the very young, the abysmally ignorant, or the incredibly stupid could be persuaded to believe your uninformed drivel.

    I still suspect you are Jewish, in which case I have nothing but contempt for you. But if you are White I have nothing but pity for you. You are not even intelligent enough to realize who is pissing down your back and making you believe it’s only a warm rain.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  112. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    Just because they have Jewish lineage does not mean they are part of a conspiracy.

    I agree with that. Not trying to be a smart ass but it is pretty obvious. I am just saying that most of the media is owned by Jews and the viewpoint you are getting is 100% Jewish. There is not even the semblance of journalistic impartiality. The media is the propaganda arm of the political left in America. All one needs to realize the truth of that statement is to remember the four years of unrelenting anti-Trump vitriol from the media during his administration. Now look at the amount of censorship of right wing viewpoints that is happening since the election. Any posts that even hint at the possibility of election fraud is taken down and in some cases the posters banned. The Jews are attempting to control the narrative. Facebook has been purging people all over the place. And the owner of Facebook is Mark Zuckerberg. Guess what ethnicity he is.

    I’m old enough to remember when journalism was a respectable and some what self regulated profession. Walter Cronkite would end his broadcasts with, “And that’s the way it is.”
    Now it would be more appropriate to end the news with, “And here is the way we want you to think.”

    It’s all so damn transparent a blind man with a cane could see it.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jokem
  113. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    Thank you for confirming that you are other than serious about engaging in discourse and that you are consumed by Jews.

    But, I’ll give you one more opportunity to offer a cogent rebuttal, rather than you relying on obfuscations and being held hostage by confirmation bias.

    1) Why did American Thinker apologize for false Dominion Voting articles?

    2) Why did Sydney Powell drop her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden?

    3) Why didn’t Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation did not claim sweeping fraud?

  114. Sulu says:

    rather than you relying on obfuscations and being held hostage by confirmation bias.

    Funny. You just perfectly described your own posts and mindset. Your own sophistry is quite evident in your writing and on display for the entire world to see. I gave you a link to a site that had a video giving rebuttal of your arguments. But apparently it was much too adult for you so you rejected it out of hand as all lies. I bet you didn’t even watch it. Again, typical confirmation bias and specious reasoning on your part. If that wasn’t good enough for you too bad.

    People like you annoy me Corvinus. You are either being disingenuous or you are a fool. The left no doubt espouses some cause you believe in. Socialism, communism, immigration, climate change, faggotry. So you are all in. Your cause is the only thing that matters to you. You have the same unreasoning zeal of an early missionary. But what you don’t realize is that you are what Stalin used to call a “useful idiot.” You believe when the left gains power you too will somehow gain some modicum of power. But if the left ever truly gains absolute power, you will be one of the first people put against the wall. If you were even a casual student of history you might just know this is a typical outcome when ruthless people take over governments. But you don’t strike me as a person that knows very much. You strike me as a person that thinks he knows.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  115. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I agree the MSM has a left wing bias. Not sure this is a Jewish effort.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  116. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    I agree the MSM has a left wing bias. Not sure this is a Jewish effort.

    You’re half way there brother. Just keep investigating. I was about 30 before I had my big epiphany concerning how much power the Jews have in this country. They have an iron grip on our media, our government and increasingly our judicial system. I can assure you that most of them high up in our government have dual citizenship passports with Israel. That way if they are caught in some criminal act or things get too hot for them here they can simply flee to Israel where there is no extradition. They serve only Jewish interests not American interests.

    I am convinced they were either behind 911 or they at least had foreknowledge of the event and failed to warn us. If you have never heard of the “dancing Israelis” try googling it. That is a good place to start. Good luck on your journey of discovery.

    Oh, as a little Post Script I am convinced that they were behind the fraud that allowed Biden to “win” the election. Biden hardly campaigned and couldn’t draw enough people to fill a phone booth. But we are supposed to believe he won against a man that drew huge crowds at his rallies. Now it’s obvious why Biden barely campaigned. He knew he didn’t have to.

    Sulu

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  117. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I agree that Jewish people tend to rise higher and be more successful than us Gentiles. They tend to score higher on IQ tests also. I suspect that is a factor in why they tend to be found at higher levels in most everything they do. As far as the left wing bias in the media; controversy is popular, and it is easier to paint conservatives as flinty-hearted exploiters than to explain their motives in a fashion based upon reason. This sells media time and captures market share with less effort.

    Maybe there are better ways to explain this than what I am doing, but I submit if somehow all the Jews left the USA, there would be Gentiles willing to fill the empty slots and do the very same thing.
    Maybe not as well, but good enough.

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  118. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    I agree with everything you said. Part of the problem is that intelligent sociopaths tend to float to the top of the food chain. They got there by being smart, heartless and predatory and the only words the seem to know are “Me” and “More.” If it wasn’t Jews it would be another group. But Jews are the worst because they can’t help but to destroy their host country in the process simply because their greed and desire for control knows no bounds.

    I might be content if Jews were happy to simply conduct business and make money. But the biggest problem I have with them is they are actively destroying the White race. Perhaps as a payback for what the German’s did to them in WWII. Or simply because they fear us and see us as their only real competition and wish us gone. Of course the Jews don’t have the numbers to outright destroy the White race by force. So they must use guile.

    The way they destroy us is myriad. I recall a few years ago on cable tv an add that starts with a well dressed couple in an expensive car shopping for a wedding ring. Of course the man was black and the woman was a beautiful blonde. Hollywood usually portrays blacks as wise, upwardly mobile and sometime with magical powers, when in fact the reality is they have an average IQ of about 85 , are mostly poor, uneducated and commit almost all the violent crime. And women are easily manipulated.

    Another way they destroy us is with predatory divorce laws which reward women for divorcing a man. Of course this destroys White families. Feminism is another Jewish invention. They have convinced most women that they are somehow being held down by men. This makes women toxic and dating much harder. They do much the same with blacks. The media convinces them that White people are responsible for their lack of success. Blacks are quick to swallow this little morsel of bullshit. Of course an inferior people are quick to believe their lack of success stems not from their own inferiority but can be attributed to White people. More than any race I have ever met blacks have an inner conviction that Whites own them something. Meanwhile my own government discriminates against my race through affirmative action that allows inferior people to rise not through merit but because of the color of their skin.

    Another thing Jews promote is Homosexuality. In just a few years it has gone from not discriminating against homos to allowing spiteful women to literally convince their young male children that they are really girls and to literally cut their dicks off even without the consent of the father. I can think of few things more evil than that. Just for that one thing I would be content to see the Jews pay a terrible price!

    I remember in the mid eighties when all of a sudden tattoos became the fad. The first I recall of it was some talking head on some show telling about Cher’s new tat and how cool it was. Sometimes I suspect that was all being done to pay back gentiles for forcibly tattooing them during the war. I can just see some group of Hollywood Jews telling each other that with the huge media machine they control they will be able to convince the stupid gentile masses to tattoo themselves. And they did.

    Immigration of non Whites is a huge factor in destroying the White race. And of course the left promotes it.

    One common thread running through all of this is control of the media. They use the media to convince non Whites and women that White men are the enemy. If we could take the media away from the Jews half the battle would be won.

    Once you open your eyes and see the Jews for the monsters they are there is no going back. There is a reason that they are historically the most hated people on the face of the planet. They have been forcibly expelled from over 100 countries. But according to them it’s for no reason at all.

    Sulu

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  119. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I partly agree with what you said. I think government meddling is a factor in the decay of this country.
    I am not so sure about who you claim is ‘inferior’, I do think if you tell people the government will ‘level the playing field’ they lose motivation to improve themselves. Instead they will look to government to make them successful. After all it is easier to do that than to involve themselves in hard work.

  120. Sulu says:

    Blacks are quite inferior to Whites from an intellectual standpoint. They have on average a 15 point IQ difference. This, by the way, is not my opinion. It’s a fact. And I am referring to American blacks many of whom have a certain amount of White blood. If you compare Whites to blacks straight from Africa the disparity is much worse. Some African nations, Somalia for example, have an average IQ in the 60’s. about 25% of American blacks have an IQ of 75 or less. No wonder many of them can’t operate peacefully in White society. But these things are never mentioned by the Jewish media nor is the high rate of violent crime perpetrated by blacks against Whites. The rape of a black woman by a White man is almost non existent in America. But the rape of a White woman by a black man is as common as leaves on a forest floor in November.

    Oh, and if you think I am pulling these numbers on IQ out of my ass please read The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and political scientist Charles Murray.

    It’s quite obvious when you ask the question of which race has invented more technology. Whites have invented almost everything. Blacks have invented almost nothing. That is an obvious indication of intellect.

    Blacks have higher testosterone levels coupled with low impulse control and low intellect. That is why they commit most of the violent crime and occupy the prisons in greater numbers. That’s not to say that there are no blacks with a high IQ. There are some. But they are very few in number.

    Blacks do excel in some things. Sports, music and acting. All are areas of endeavor that require talent but not intellect.

    Sulu

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  121. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I submit your opinions on racial intellect are unimportant. If we were truly a free society, everyone would have an opportunity to rise to their own level.

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  122. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    I submit your opinions on racial intellect are unimportant.

    As I pointed out those are not just my opinion but are based entirely on fact. Sorry if you can’t reconcile it with the bullshit the Jewish owned media has been feeding you for decades. Everything I said was true.

    Blacks have lower IQ than Whites. Fact.
    Blacks are more criminally prone than Whites as evidenced by their high incarceration rate. Fact.
    Blacks have invented almost nothing in comparison to Whites. Fact.

    You yourself mentioned the fact that Jews typically have high IQ’s which allow them to rise in society.
    So where would you expect to find the members of society that have the lowest IQ? Hmm? You would expect to find them on the bottom. Which is exactly the place blacks inhabit. Sorry if that hurts your feelings for some reason but every damn bit of it is true.

    Our genetics define us. A sparrow may study all he wants but he can never be a hawk.

    Sulu

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  123. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    I neither denied nor affirmed what you said about racial intellect. I did not even try to reconcile it as I said it was unimportant.

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  124. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    I did not even try to reconcile it as I said it was unimportant.

    I’m sorry Jokem but that is easily the most asinine statement that I have heard today. The differences between the races is one of the things at the heart of many of our troubles here in America and indeed the world. To claim it is unimportant is the height of folly. It’s like trying to say that water isn’t wet or the sun doesn’t come up in the East.

    Sulu

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  125. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    Since you have resorted to pejorative comments, I am done discussing this with you.

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  126. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    “Funny. You just perfectly described your own posts and mindset. Your own sophistry is quite evident in your writing and on display for the entire world to see.”

    Now you are simply projecting.

    “I gave you a link to a site that had a video giving rebuttal of your arguments.”

    No, you deflected. I am asking for YOUR rebuttal.

    “Your cause is the only thing that matters to you. You have the same unreasoning zeal of an early missionary. But what you don’t realize is that you are what Stalin used to call a “useful idiot.””

    More projection on your part.

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  127. Sulu says:
    @Jokem

    I’m sorry the truth offends you. You wouldn’t be the first person I have encountered that is in complete denial on the subject for what ever reason, personal or otherwise. Please enjoy your delusion. But might I suggest if you want a real world example of the truth of my assertations on race I think you should try letting some one drop you off unaccompanied on a sidewalk in the South side of Chicago. Day or night any time will do. I would say your lesson will probably commence within the span of a few blocks. And you will find things there that will give you much greater offense than mere words. Oh, yes. And it won’t matter one bit if you are White, Asian or Black. Your lesson will be much the same and your delusion will be dispelled by something called reality.
    Have a nice day.

    Sulu

  128. Sulu says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus,
    You are either a Jew doing damage control for the tribe and attempting to hide the fact with the presumption that by doing so you will add to your credibility. Or you are merely a garden variety fool promoting some misguided cause. In either case I have wasted enough of my time with you. It’s about time I scrape you off the bottom of my shoe.

    Sulu

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  129. Corvinus says:
    @Sulu

    It is absolutely insane to call someone a Jew or insinuate they must be merely because they have the audacity to offer specific evidence that undermines your assertion. Then, when requested repeatedly to offer a cogent refutation, you continue with this charade.

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