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When a man knows he is about to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully, said Dr. Samuel Johnson.

If there is any benefit to be realized from the collision between China and the U.S. over Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s proposed trip to Taiwan, it is this: America needs to reflect long and hard upon what it is we will fight China to defend in the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea.

China, after all, is a nuclear-weapons nation with a manufacturing base larger than our own, an economy equal to our own, a population four times ours and fleets of warships larger in number than the U.S. Navy.

An air-naval-and-missile war in the Western Pacific and East Asia would be no cakewalk.

A massive barrage of anti-ship and hypersonic missiles launched by China could cripple and conceivably sink the U.S. carrier Ronald Reagan now in the South China Sea. The Reagan carries a crew of thousands of sailors almost as numerous as the U.S. casualty lists from both Pearl Harbor and 9/11, the worst attacks in and on the U.S. outside of such Civil War battles as Gettysburg and Antietam.

What in East Asia or the Western Pacific would justify such losses?

What would justify such risks?

Since President Richard Nixon’s trip to China, and President Jimmy Carter’s abrogation of the mutual defense treaty with the Republic of China on Taiwan in 1979, the U.S. is not obligated to come to the defense of Taiwan against China, which claims that island the size of Maryland as “part of China.”

Our military posture has been one of “strategic ambiguity.” We will not commit to go to war to defend Taiwan, nor will we take the war option off the table if Taiwan is attacked.

But if the U.S. went to war to defend Taiwan, what would it mean?

We would be risking our own security and possible survival to prevent from being imposed on the island of Taiwan the same regime lately imposed on Hong Kong without any U.S. military resistance.

If Hong Kong, a city of 7 million, can be transferred to the custody and control of Beijing without resistance from the U.S., why should it be worth a major U.S. war with China to prevent that same fate and future from befalling 23 million Taiwanese?

The retort comes instantly.

Allow China to take Taiwan without U.S. resistance, and our treaties to fight for the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia and New Zealand become suspect.

Belief in the U.S. commitment to fight for the nations of East Asia and the Western Pacific would dissipate. The entire architecture of Asian defense against Communist China could disintegrate and collapse.

ORDER IT NOW

If we allowed Taiwan to be taken by China without intervening, it is argued, the value of U.S. commitments to fight to defend scores of allies in Europe and Asia would visibly depreciate. U.S. credibility would suffer a blow as substantial as the loss of South Vietnam in 1975.

The fall of Saigon was followed by the loss of Laos and Cambodia to communism, the overthrow of the shah, the Iranian hostage crisis, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the strategic transfer of Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, Nicaragua and Grenada to the Soviet bloc, and the rise of Euro-communism on the Old Continent.

Pelosi’s prospective visit to Taiwan, and the bellicose reaction of Beijing, should raise other relevant questions.

If this should lead to a U.S.-China war, what would we be fighting for? And what would victory look like?

A restoration of the status quo ante? Permanent independence for Taiwan, which would require a new and permanent war guarantee by the U.S. and a new U.S.-Taiwan defense pact?

Would a permanent commitment to fight to defend Taiwan from China be acceptable to an American people weary of commitments and wars?

Again, why would we risk our own peace and security for Taiwan’s freedom and independence, when we would not risk our own peace and security for the freedom or independence of Hong Kong?

And after our victory in the Taiwan Strait, how would we secure indefinitely the independence of that nation of 23 million from a defeated power of 1.4 billion, bitter and bristling at its loss?

Consider: China, in this 21st century, has grown massively, both militarily and economically, and in both real and relative terms, at the expense of the United States.

Nor are the growth trends for China, with four times as many people as there are Americans, favorable to the USA.

What guarantees are there that 2025 or 2030 will not bring a more favorable balance of power for China in what is, after all, their continent, not ours?

Unlike in the Cold War, time is not necessarily on the side of the United States and its allies when all three of the nuclear powers in East Asia — China, Russia, North Korea — are hostile to the USA.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. bert33 says:

    If china decides to invade taiwan militarily they probably wont bother attacking our navy, they’ll just start dumping floating mines in the water, bombard taiwan itself with missiles, get ready to drop their paratroopers, and wait for the phone call

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
  2. Raytheon director emeritus and U.S. Secretary of Defense [sic] Lloyd Austin recently said that Washington mongered the war in Ukraine to weaken Russia. But Mr. Paleoconservative is still here framing the discussion to flatter the Establishment. He’s the Right jamb of the Overton Window obscuring meaningful dissidence so that readers won’t Consider whether those

    U.S. commitments to fight to defend scores of allies in Europe and Asia

    are really

    U.S. commitments to fight to maintain scores of satrapies in Europe and Asia.

    If yours becomes another Gold Star family, be sure to thank Mr. Buchanan for his Exceptional! service, too.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  3. Hypocrisy thy name is America …
    the entire Taiwan brouhaha is about denying China access to the open ocean;
    if all Taiwanese have to die horribly in the process it will be Worth It ™ .
    It´s a bit reminiscent of Little Britain inventing the Balkan Wars
    (by denying Bulgaria the borders of San Stefano) for no other reason than
    denying Russia de facto access to the Mediterranean.
    Whose shipping are the US “protecting” in the Taiwan Strait again?
    Or anywhere else, for that matter?
    Technological progress is not on the side of the Usual Suspects – in the event they
    already are unable to operate inside the First Island Chain; I wouldn´t bet
    too much on Korea and Japan either – they are all not so sure whom they despise
    more. That leaves Vietnam (the irony) – maybe – and Guam (the only population
    so cucked they eat spam without a gun to their heads).

    The US posture in the WestPac is on borrowed time (read: underwater like
    everything else). As it is in the Donbass, the inability to withdraw in stride
    (teste Pelosi) is proof of a small pipi.
    Medium-term China will control all of the First Island Chain (and Japan finally
    get their Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere), war or no war.

  4. War with China will be world war. But mankind has not been able to fight world wars since the dawn of the atomic age. Yet the powers are moving towards nuclear apocalypse, as always – blind to history.
    https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

  5. Renoman says:

    Definitely not, USA will loose another war, perhaps even end the World and worst of all loose access to the big pile of semi conductors! Sheer stupidity.

    • Agree: schnelladine
  6. Rufus Arrr says: • Website

    After the United States has a victory against China?

    Seriously?

    Let me remind you of the Korean war, and the MASSIVE American rout with the enormous causalities taken against poorly armed peasants and farmers. Read your history books. 90% losses. America begged to “let off the hook” and that is why there is a North and a South Korea today.

    America lost that war, and lost terribly.

    China conducts REAL WAR.

    It will not be limited to Taiwan and China. It will hit the American homeland.

    Serious business, and Americans will die inside of America, and American cities will be reduced to glassed rubble, and the fat overweight ignorant transgendered failures for what amounts as humans, those that doesn’t even know how to screw in a light bulb will be expected to rebuild.

    What remains?

    China will continue like that ol’ engernizer bunny. More cities. More high speed reail. More BRI. More manufacturing. More … more…. more…

    The United States, on the other hand, will turn into a radioactive Syria, peopled with zombies fighting each other for molder turnups.

  7. @Rufus Arrr

    China conducts REAL WAR.

    Yeah, China conducts real war. Throughout history, China tend to avoid war until backed to a corner. Then it turned psycho and go scorch earth. In the late 19th and early 20th century, it did not work as well since China enjoyed 400 years of peace under the inept rule of the Manchurian dynasty and technologically stuck in the 17th century. The European powers and Japan had a field day. That’s the “century of humiliation” China talked about. Not anymore. I think China now has enough missiles to cover every possible scenarios including all out war outside its Pacific theater.

  8. “Americans need to think long and hard.” Great point. The trouble is Americans are not capable of thinking long and hard.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  9. Fuck Taiwan.

    Fuck Ukraine.

    And fuck Israel.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Cutler
  10. Farenheit says:

    Taiwanese women have a 1.1 TFR. (That’s 100 grandmas enjoying 25 grandaugthers) If they care so little about their future that that they can’t bring themselves to replicate themselves, why should we care more?

    • Agree: schnelladine
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Escher
  11. Didn’t Americans learn their lesson in Vietnam? I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of one single soldier to save Taiwan. As for the loss of credibility why should these other countries be America’s responsibility?

  12. @Clyde Wilson

    The trouble is the bought and paid for Zionist owned US government does not CARE what the American people think.

  13. J says:

    China is big and rich, and so it was along most of its long history. As Henry Kissinger wrote, it always preferred to politely bribe off its enemies. Wars are serious business and they know it.

  14. @Rufus Arrr

    Mao used to say

    “A nuclear war will destroy the world … but not us.” 😀

    Good, he later walked that back slightly, but we know what he meant.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  15. TGD says:

    It was Taiwanese businessmen who transformed a backward PRC into the industrial powerhouse it is today- think “Hon Hai Precision,” A/K/A “Foxconn.”

    All of China’s threats and posturing is meant to remind the US and the Taiwanese that Taiwan is part of the PRC. If China actually attacks Taiwan, it would be the equivalent of “biting off your nose to spite your face.”

  16. It is doubtful US goes to war with China. US would have to take enormous risks for little benefit. Even if US ”won” the result would be Taiwan being a permanent American protectorate. American people might ask why is its government wasting time and risking American blood and treasure over an island of no vital importance to America. There are some who say USA cannot even defend Taiwan because of China’s Area Denial and Carrier-Killer missiles keeping US aircraft carriers away. Mr Buchanan mentions US ‘allies” questioning America’s commitment but neglects to mention unlike Japan South Korea and Australia Taiwan is not a sovereign nation with a binding defense treaty with the US. It is more likely North Korea’s growing nuclear and missile arsenal will cause Seoul and Tokyo to question America’s resolve and whether America will risk atomic attacks on its homeland for them. US Military is training Taiwanese military in Taiwan. It could be USA will take the Ukraine model; training Taiwanese forces and providing weapons but not intervening directly. American people would never tolerate a war with China for Taiwan and they are not as gullible as past American generations. It is likely that Taiwan will be under the PRC’s control one way or another in the relative near future and there is little America can, or will, do about it.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  17. heymrguda says:

    If I were the Taiwanese I’d just say “if you want to invade we can’t stop you. You have more weapons and manpower than us. But we’ll destroy all our chip making facilities and industry. It will be a scorched earth policy.”

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  18. A war against China makes even less sense than the current proxy war against Russia. The USA is totally dependent on China’s exports, which includes, among other things, life-saving medicines as well as micro-chips needed to run our bloated military. Walmart and Amazon would go out of business without the ability to sell goods Made in China.

    IOW, it would lead to another Great Depression, this one worse than the one that consumed the 1930’s. What in hell is the Biden regime’s end game? Tucker Carlson had it right in his excellent opening monologue last night. They are destroying the country on purpose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  19. Emslander says:
    @Max Maxwell

    American people might ask why is its government wasting time and risking American blood and treasure over an island of no vital importance to America.

    The White House has made it clear that we’re NOT going to defend Taiwan. I’m pretty sure that, if the Chinese blew the Grand Nancy out of the air, we would issue a strong diplomatic protest. That would be it.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
  20. Realist says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    After the United States has a victory against China?

    Seriously?

    Let me remind you of the Korean war, and the MASSIVE American rout with the enormous causalities taken against poorly armed peasants and farmers. Read your history books. 90% losses. America begged to “let off the hook” and that is why there is a North and a South Korea today.

    Excellent point. From the insouciance and capitulation of the US citizens to the bullshit that is being flung at them from their controllers…it appears that the only hope for salvation comes from Russia and China.

  21. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Fuck Taiwan.

    Fuck Ukraine.

    And fuck Israel.

    There is the definitive solution to our problems.

  22. If the US goes to war with China, Russia and Iran it will be because our own rulers want us dead.

  23. @Rufus Arrr

    China reportedly has about 300-350 nuclear weapons; the USA has about 5,000. And USA has superior delivery systems and ICBMs. China’s modest nuclear arsenal is designed to inflict a limited but devastating attack on an adversary; the US nuclear arsenal is designed for first strikes and totally obliterating an opponent. US likely could knock out much of China’s attack and have only a few cities destroyed; while USA is capable of completely destroying China.

  24. SafeNow says:

    Chinese pharmaceutical companies have supplied more than 90 percent of U.S. antibiotics, ibuprofen and hydrocortisone, as well as 70 percent of acetaminophen and 40 to 45 percent of heparin in recent years, according to Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations. China is a commercial rival, not a military enemy. The way to exert influence over China is to diplomatically (courteously, Blinken) threaten building our own antibiotics factories, not by sending a carrier group. Golly gee, if only the US had a president who understood the commercial factor. No, wait, we already had this president. I read “2035.” It is plausible.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  25. SafeNow says:
    @SafeNow

    2034. Typo. The novel about how a sea confrontation between the US and China goes through a stepwise escalation, eventually going strategic.

  26. @Greta Handel

    The kicker is:

    when all three of the nuclear powers in East Asia — China, Russia, North Korea — are hostile to the USA.

    Russia asked to join NATO in 2000, and was turned down. Lil Kim was chasing DF Donald saying “Let’s be friends”. China has allowed corporate America, courtesy of the best democracy money can buy – aka Congress – to make billions for themselves. Some hostility.

    • Replies: @Kali
  27. ruralguy says:

    This woman, Nancy Pelosi, doesn’t seem to understand who she represents. She represents a San Francisco district (12) of 39 square miles, which is equivalent to a circle with a radius of 3.5 miles, filled with drug-addict residents who defecate on the streets, psychotic residents who engage in losing arguments with street lamps, and busybody residents whose sole thoughts are to grovel before losers. That’s who she represents. Why would anyone listen to her?

    • Agree: follyofwar, Gary Sudder
    • Replies: @Gary Sudder
  28. Farenheit says:
    @SafeNow

    2034. Typo. The novel about how a sea confrontation between the US and China goes through a stepwise escalation, eventually going strategic

    read that book…it blows. When the author tried to set the seriousness of the escalation by breathlessly describing how the Virginia attack submarine “USS Michelle Obama” was heading out to sea, or some such thing, it set the tone for the 300 page suck-a-thon.

  29. @Max Maxwell

    Interesting. How many nukes does Russia have? Or would Russia stay out of it?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  30. Daniel H says:
    @heymrguda

    If I were the Taiwanese I’d just say “if you want to invade we can’t stop you. You have more weapons and manpower than us. But we’ll destroy all our chip making facilities and industry. It will be a scorched earth policy.”

    Who would that really hurt? The Chinese would just scoop up the design and manufacturing engineers, bring them to China, seed them with \$billions and in 3-4 years the chip-making business would be back in business. Making more money than ever. Oh, and yeah, the engineers would go along with it because they would be made offers that they couldn’t refuse.

    • Replies: @boomerfeed
  31. @WorkingClass

    It is generally agreed that Russia has more nuclear weapons than America. But why are we talking about this at all ? The Ziocons have swindled the peoples of Morth America, Europe and East Asia out of 30 years of peace.The true costs of making the Middle East safe for Israel amount to \$21 trillion – out of a total US National Debt of over \$30 trillion. Zionism is bankrupting America.
    https://www.newsweek.com/war-terror-cost-us-21-trillion-its-conflicts-killed-nearly-one-million-reports-show-1625114

    30 years ago, the US trade deficit was entirely explicable in terms of oil imports. Then Clinton brought in the Ziocons and they’ve been in control ever since. Unilateral free trade and offshoring have reduced American industry to a hollowed out shell and accumulated deficits are about \$20 trillion dollars at 2022 prices. The oilgarchs, many Zionist Jews, paid American politicos to make this possible. The Ziocons supported this policy right from the start. The oligarchs, the financiers and politicos have benefitted massively, but for ordinary Americans it has been a disaster.

    Also benefitting are the Chinese Government and the CCP. Offshoring has resulted in massive trade surpluses for China and a massive increase in the power of the Chinese state. It is doubtful if any governing class in History has been as stupid as the present American one. They have severely weakened the economic base of America ( and American power ) by their policies and at the same time greatly aided the rise of China.

    An American Government that looked after American interests – not those of a “shitty, little state in the Middle East” – would have dissolved NATO in the 1990s, reinstated tariff barriers and prevented offshoring, and enforced a highly restrictive immigration policy. China would be left to industrialise through its own efforts. Not only would America be a lot safer, but most of the World too.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  32. Mr Jinping has made a blunder. Mrs Pelosi has gone to Taiwan defying China and Mr Jinping. Now all China can do is protest to US ambassador and conduct military drills. I believe USA has secretly told Taiwan not to declare independence. China should calm down and bid its time. IT is still not capable of taking Taiwan by force and its military is still far inferior to US Military. Mr Jinping has humiliated himself and demonstrated impotence and weakness.

  33. 216 says: • Website

    The stakes of war are high, neither the US nor the Chinese regime could survive a defeat. And that is precisely what makes it worth fighting. Removal of the Communist regime, even if it means having half of the US an irradiated wasteland, means another century of Western dominance.

    The CCP is an Anti-White and Anti-Christian organization, no one that identifies as a conservative in the Western lands should hold any illusions about this regime.

  34. @216

    So you’re jewish?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  35. George 1 says:
    @216

    As if anyone could possibly predict what the world would look like after a war and a nuclear exchange between China and the U.S.

    If the calculation is wrong then instead of “half the U.S. irradiated wasteland”, all of it could be wasteland.

    I hope Xi and Putin have notified Israel that if the nukes fly then they have saved a few for them as well. I mean, why should we have all the fun?

  36. Dumbo says:

    Is Taiwan’s Independence Worth War?

    Sure it is! Anything that turn boys into anal sex lovers and girls into raging sluts is worth it!
    This is what freedom means!

  37. The US needs war. Not only for MIC sales, but their identity. The US empire has a negative identity. They define themselves by which they’re in opposition to. Enemy de jour addictions.

    A sick and vile empire filled with a stupid populace, chock filled w/ hucksters and hu\$tlers who’s only life goal is: \$ and status. 330M+ used car salesmen. Geez, what could go wrong?

    That’s why the US empire has no real future.

  38. @ruralguy

    Many Californians seem to enjoy defecating on the streets–not just homeless, it’s like a right of passage etc..

    Maybe instead of Hollywood movies depicting folks dancing in the streets, perhaps, they should show USians shitting in the streets?

  39. @216

    Hey 216:

    You are NO conservative. A true conservative wouldn’t be projecting US hegemony over the entire planet. The US reach is far more than Hitler ever dreamed of. The traitors running foreign policy are definitely NOT conservatives. They are progressive NEO-LIBERALS, Trotskyites who’ve wormed their way into the pinnacles of our institutions.

    Buchanan is often derided in the comments section. But it is unwarranted. Indeed, Pat was a Cold War Warrior until the fall of the USSR. He’s a cradle Catholic who rightly hated communism with a passion. But he wanted to defeat that warped totalitarian system economically, not militarily. His ideology might have succeeded if not for the neocons, who did 9/11, setting off today’s US recklessness and endless wars.

    Buchanan is a true America-first conservative, now derided as isolationists when they are actually non-interventionists. But, just as Euro-Americans, he is a dying breed in todays’ degenerate America. As far as I can tell, no organization is more “anti-White and anti-Christian” than the “neoconservatives.”

  40. George 1 says:

    China has now announced that they will no longer respect the meridian between Taiwan and the Mainland in the Straight any more. They even alluded that they will no longer recognize the 12 mile limit. So Taiwan is now going to have to contend with Chinese warships pretty close to their coasts.

    China said they also intend to conduct missile tests, launching missiles from the Mainland and over Taiwan and landing east of Taiwan. That has never been done before. That is going to cause problems.

    So nice job Taiwan and Nancy. I hope Nancy made lots of money.

  41. Kali says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Russia asked to join NATO in 2000, and was turned down. Lil Kim was chasing DF Donald saying “Let’s be friends”.

    How confident are you that Russia asking to join NATO, wasn’t Russia calling NATO’s expanding bluff?

    How confident are you that China’s proffer of friendship was not China testing US imperial resolve?

    How confident can any of us be in our respective evaluations of the geo-political shit-show absorbing our attention, pulling us this way and that, when we’d be much, much better off preparing to survive as the Gr€at R€\$€tt€r\$ implode the economy upon which we have been made dependant?

    The whole thing is a joke and a game being played at our expence… And here we are, commenting on the internet, as if commenting and showing off our interlectual prowess and depth of understanding and insight is gonna put food on the table or wake up the masses or end the lies and corruption.

    Sigh.

    Best regards,
    Kali.

  42. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Max Maxwell

    That’s a little out of date.

    The Chinese have been detected building around 390 additional ICBM silos (that we know of), and probably also an expanded mobile ICBM and SLBM force.

    Your point stands, we would wipe them out.

    But we don’t know how many warheads or missiles China has. The Russians believe the Chinese already have 1,500 strategic warheads, in secret. The Chinese admit to only having 450.

    Sort of a dual strategy for China. 450 warheads should be enough to make anyone non-psychotic to think twice, while 1,500 warheads will serve to annihilate an actual psycho enemy. I think it makes sense.

    TLDR: A nuclear war with China would be mutual suicide, fullstop.

  43. @Farenheit

    The Taiwanese can’t even bring themselves to arm their own civilians for in an depth defensive People’s Militia – that’s the MINIMUM they could do if they want to go full Swiss Army-esque for a Ukrainian resistance force.

    Tandem warhead RPGs for everyone. And T-91 assault rifles too!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  44. vox4non says:

    I fear that there might be a greater miscalculation for war in the future. Since Beijing has not done anything to Pelosi, Washington or the neo-cons might think Beijing can be pushed further. With Beijing playing passive aggressive till the last moment, the world may end up in an unplanned global conflagration.

  45. @SafeNow

    The novel about how a sea confrontation between the US and China goes through a stepwise escalation, eventually going strategic.

    HypOps has run through such scenarios in about 20 or 30 minutes on YouTube:

  46. @Joe Stalin

    The Taiwanese can’t even bring themselves to arm their own civilians for in an depth defensive People’s Militia

    Heh, the Taiwanese inventories of surface-to-air missiles and anti-ship missiles are a bad joke by modern standards.

  47. Mandatory military service for males 18 years old is 4 and a half months in Taiwan.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  48. Anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    There is no fool like an old fool, so said a doctor. The issue isn’t Taiwan but to rectify the folly of Kissinger, Nixon and yes, even you Buchanan: the gifting of the Western treasure trove of science, technology and markets to those commies in China; we have to undo what your incompetent generation wrought upon US.

  49. @Daniel H

    You don’t understand how chip manufacturing works so stfu. [email protected] the engineers like what makes TSMC competitive is that it pays their engineer more.

  50. Derer says:
    @Max Maxwell

    I presume you are expecting Russians, with their devastating nuclear hardware, to stay away from this war and use it against, I do not know, aliens.

    • Replies: @Max Maxwell
  51. Escher says:
    @Farenheit

    And many of the women who do have kids choose to do so with white men.
    The children of those unions are unlikely to shed blood for the country of their mothers.

  52. Corvinus says:

    “An air-naval-and-missile war in the Western Pacific and East Asia would be no cakewalk.”

    Stop, Mr. Buchanan, with the fear mongering. IF there would be a war between the U.S. and China, it would be nuclear. The entire human race would be in peril. China is rattling its sabers, as it has for the past 60 years, with Taiwan. Par for the course.

  53. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    Everyone is Jewish in your world who opposes your line of thinking.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  54. Corvinus says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    LOL, the entire human race would be in peril as a result of a U.S.-China nuclear war. Each side would have their major cities destroyed. Nuclear winter would set in.

    Furthermore, what are the metrics for “real war” compared to just “war”?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  55. @Corvinus

    Or at least anyone who would make such an absurd statement as “216” made.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  56. @Corvinus

    A “real” war is existential … while USrael´s wars are always gratuitous –
    to turn a reibach.
    That´s how USrael just got defeated by a moped gang – to them it was
    existential, while no one is willing to die for UNOCAL.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  57. Corvinus says:
    @nokangaroos

    “A “real” war is existential … while USrael´s wars are always gratuitous”

    Please offer more background and examples.

  58. Corvinus says:
    @Harold Smith

    There’s a good number of posters in the Unz commentariat who believe that a Great Reset is required to save the white race from the clutches of Jews, their GloboHomo agenda, and from their mystery meat pets. If that means near extinction, they say so be it.

    It might not be that absurd after all. Do you want the right race to ultimately win? It may need extreme action to do so.

    You’re certainly not helping matters to champion the cause…

  59. @Derer

    What reason would Russia have for intervening to help the PRC? they are having their own problems and China and Mr Jinping are not aiding Russia. Russia would only use its nuclear weapons if faced with existential crisis; not to aid China which could well take care of itself and even defeat an American effort to defend Taiwan.

  60. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Did you ever stop to think that a depression is just what is needed, during the 30s it brought American business to heel, after they had ruled the country since its birth and now its time that the business structure was destroyed just like back in 1929.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  61. @Anonymous

    One difference. Back in the 1930s, critics could call out on the rich.

    Now with so many rich folks being Jewish, is that even possible?

  62. Element59 says:

    A war with China over Taiwan is not worth the cost in blood and treasure for the USA.

    However, in the event of direct military conflict China would likely get its face punched in hard by the overwhelming American air a naval superiority. Forget the numerical advantages that the Chinese have in some military armaments and personnel, their battlefield capabilities and effectiveness is highly suspect. Their best delivery systems are unproven in real-world action.

    The Americans have the most extensive deployment and battlefield experience of any nation on the planet. We can project superior forces of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, superior battle-proven weapons, and the huge infrastructure to support it in absolute superiority to any other nation.

    Our Generals are sharp and seasoned from our decades of conflict. China has not had a “war” of any kind since 1979 – in a spat with Vietnam – in which it faired poorly.

    For what benefit?

    Why should the USA care now for giving up so much in blood and treasure for “protecting” its lazy, dependent, and sometimes spiteful “allies”? I guess so that those allies don’t develop into future adversaries, but many of them are incapable at this point with their own accelerating demographic declines, weakening economies, internal political incoherences, and their fetishes for one-world globalism.

    The USA should take the trade and technology embargo and bluster tactic to the max with China. Send their university students (and future saboteurs) back home, nullify their real estate investments in the USA, revoke their tech industry worker visas (future spies), and accelerate returning manufacturing back to the USA sans the burdensome domestic manufacturing and business regulations that have been slapped on the Americans by our elites over the last few decades as jobs and capabilities were lost to the allure of cheaper labor China.

    There is a long term win for the USA in a showdown with China over Taiwan, but it won’t be through engaging in military conflict.

  63. @nokangaroos

    China has massive underground shelters in its major cities, built when war with the USSR seemed possible. Vastly more Chinese (if still not many) will survive a thermo-nuclear war than Americans. It’s one of the reasons that the USA preferred bio-warfare.

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