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Asked to name the defining attributes of the America we wish to become, many liberals would answer that we must realize our manifest destiny since 1776, by becoming more equal, more diverse and more democratic — and the model for mankind’s future.

Equality, diversity, democracy — this is the holy trinity of the post-Christian secular state at whose altars Liberal Man worships.

But the congregation worshiping these gods is shrinking. And even Europe seems to be rejecting what America has on offer.

In a retreat from diversity, Catalonia just voted to separate from Spain. The Basque and Galician peoples of Spain are following the Catalan secession crisis with great interest.

The right-wing People’s Party and far-right Freedom Party just swept 60 percent of Austria’s vote, delivering the nation to 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, whose anti-immigrant platform was plagiarized from the Freedom Party. Summarized it is: Austria for the Austrians!

Lombardy, whose capital is Milan, and Veneto will vote Sunday for greater autonomy from Rome.

South Tyrol (Alto Adige), severed from Austria and ceded to Italy at Versailles, written off by Hitler to appease Mussolini after his Anschluss, is astir anew with secessionism. Even the Sicilians are talking of separation.

By Sunday, the Czech Republic may have a new leader, billionaire Andrej Babis. Writes The Washington Post, Babis “makes a sport of attacking the European Union and says NATO’s mission is outdated.”

Platform Promise: Keep the Muslim masses out of the motherland.

To ethnonationalists, their countrymen are not equal to all others, but superior in rights. Many may nod at Thomas Jefferson’s line that “All men are created equal,” but they no more practice that in their own nations than did Jefferson in his.

On Oct. 7, scores of thousands of Poles lined up along the country’s entire 2,000-mile border — to pray the rosary.

It was the centennial of the Virgin Mary’s last apparition at Fatima in Portugal in 1917, and the day in 1571 the Holy League sank the Muslim fleet at Lepanto to save Europe. G. K. Chesterton’s poem, “Lepanto,” was once required reading in Catholic schools.

Each of these traditionalist-nationalist movements is unique, but all have a common cause. In the hearts of Europe’s indigenous peoples is embedded an ancient fear: loss of the homeland to Islamic invaders.

Europe is rejecting, resisting, recoiling from “diversity,” the multiracial, multicultural, multiethnic and multilingual future that, say U.S. elites, is America’s preordained mission to bring about for all mankind.

Indeed, increasingly, the indigenous peoples of Europe seem to view as the death of their nations and continent, what U.S. liberal elites see as the Brave New World to come.

To traditionalist Europeans, our heaven looks like their hell.


Thus Poles fall on their knees to pray to the Virgin Mary to spare them from threats of an Islamic future, as their ancestors prayed at the time of Lepanto, and of Vienna in 1683, when the Polish King John Sobieski marched to halt the last Muslim drive into the heart of Europe.

European peoples and parties are today using democratic means to achieve “illiberal” ends. And it is hard to see what halts the drift away from liberal democracy toward the restrictive right. For in virtually every nation, there is a major party in opposition, or a party in power, that holds deeply nationalist views.

European elites may denounce these new parties as “illiberal” or fascist, but it is becoming apparent that it may be liberalism itself that belongs to yesterday. For more and more Europeans see the invasion of the continent along the routes whence the invaders came centuries ago, not as a manageable problem but an existential crisis.

To many Europeans, it portends an irreversible alteration in the character of the countries their grandchildren will inherit, and possibly an end to their civilization. And they are not going to be deterred from voting their fears by being called names that long ago lost their toxicity from overuse.

And as Europeans decline to celebrate the racial, ethnic, creedal and cultural diversity extolled by American elites, they also seem to reject the idea that foreigners should be treated equally in nations created for their own kind.

Europeans seem to admire more, and model their nations more, along the lines of the less diverse America of the Eisenhower era, than on the polyglot America of 2017.

And Europe seems to be moving toward immigration polices more like the McCarran-Walter Act of 1950 than the open borders bill that Sen. Edward Kennedy shepherded through the Senate in 1965.

Kennedy promised that the racial and ethnic composition of the America of the 1960s would not be overturned, and he questioned the morality and motives of any who implied that it would.

So, why is liberalism dying?

Because it is proving to be what James Burnham called it in his 1964 “Suicide of the West” — the ideology of Western suicide.

What we see in Europe today is people who, belatedly recognizing this, have begun to “rage, rage, against dying of the light.”

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2017

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  1. Pat’s remarks about the thinking of American elite’s make me think of a few classes I took in college.

    I recently got out of college (I’m actually getting a degree in something employable, accounting) and can remember a few of the liberal classes I took for my General Ed. During my freshman year, I took a Sociology class where I was told there’s at least five genders. During my senior year, I took a Women’s Gender Studies class where I learned that there’s not five genders (how ridiculous!), there’s at least 48! I think it’s up to 97 or something now.

    Anyways, this guest lecturer who lives off of American tax dollars doing some type of diversity training held a lecture for our class. We had to talk about how our college (located in California) was not “diverse” enough, and something had to be done about this. We all took turns strategizing how we could rid our campus of this terrible plight, a predominately white student body in a predominately white town in California (the horror!)

    Growing up where I grew up (near three towns that are at least 70% Hispanic/Latino/Mexican) and going to a school district that is now 83% Latino (up from 49% in 1996) and 45% of the students are taking English as a Second Language courses, it is very puzzling to me when I think about all the White liberal arts majors I have seen bemoaning the fact that they went to college in a town predominately made up of docile, law abiding white people.

    I have worked somewhere in California for a summer job as the only white guy doing manual labor in a food processing factory with hundreds of Mexicans who could hardly speak English. While they were truly nice, hardworking people, I couldn’t help but be amazed that the same people who didn’t know English the first summer I was there didn’t know English the fifth summer I was there. Some had been here for 20 or 30 years and still didn’t know English. One worker told me (in broken English) he didn’t have to learn English in America. It makes me think, shouldn’t America stem the tide from Mexico and Central America? Is there a point where unlimited legal and illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America stops producing rich diversity and starts just turning the country into Mexico and Central America?

    Of course, I could never talk about such experiences, ask such questions, or make such observations in college as I would likely be regarded as the incarnation of Adolf Hitler himself.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @MBlanc46
    , @LauraMR
  2. Randal says:

    European elites may denounce these new parties as “illiberal” or fascist,

    Whilst imposing “hate speech” laws to criminalise dissent from liberal dogmas, harassing their sympathisers, political leaders and organisations, and winking at outright physical assaults on their supporters and their legal political assemblies.

    • Agree: Clay Bishop
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  3. This was another good article by Mr. Buchanan, but I differ with his terminology. I am surprised he uses the modern term “liberalism” to mean far-left socialism and anti-conservatism, as opposed to classical liberalism, in the vein of Thomas Jefferson, most of the other founders of this country, and all Americans called “liberals” up to about the md-1960’s. It was the radical “hate-America” and “tear-down-the-whole-system” types of the ’60’s who gave liberalism this new meaning. Mr. Buchanan should know this. The real liberals are now known as Libertarians (no, not the Open-Border Reason-mag Libertards!) The old style actual liberals defended the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

    Also, Mr. Buchanan writes of the “right wing” and “far right” to name the People’s Party and the Freedom Party, respectively, in Austria. Come on, man, you are getting sucked in to the cntrl-left narrative with their terminology, Pat. I haven’t read as much as I like to about these positive happenings (which is why I am on here enjoying the articles!), but I am sure the old conservative/libertarians of America like the late great AuH2O would make these Austrians look like Tip O’Neils.

    We need to use our own, accurate terms for the people and parties in politics. The cntrl-left will push the window on this ever leftward otherwise.

    We can only hope these kind die off faster than we can save the scraps of what’s left of our Republic. Keep it coming, Pat.

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
  4. Jason Liu says:

    Yes. Fuck yes.

    Liberalism is the naivete of 18th century elites, no different than today. Modernity as you know it is unsustainable, mostly because equality isn’t real, identity has value for most humans, pluralism is by definition fractious, and deep down most people wish to follow a wise strongman leader who represents their interests first and not a vague set of universalist values.

    Blind devotion to liberal democracy is another one of those times when white people take an abstract concept to weird extremes. It is short-sighted and autistically narrow minded. Just because you have an oppressive king doesn’t mean everyone should be equals. Just because there was slavery/genocide doesn’t mean diversity is good.

    The retreat of liberalism is very visible in Asia. All Southeast Asian states have turned their backs on liberal democracy, especially Indonesia, the Philippines and Myanmar in the last decade. This NYT article notes that liberalism has essentially died in Japan, and that all political contests are now between what the west would consider conservatives:

    Good riddance. The idea that egalitarianism is more advanced than hierarchy has always been false, and flies against the long arc of history. Time for nationalists around the world to smash liberal democracy and build a new modernity based on actual humanism, with respect to hierarchies and the primacy of majorities instead of guilt and pathological compassion dressed up as political ideology.

  5. @Randal

    It will be a measure of Kurz and Strache’s effectiveness in Austria in their removal or drastic reduction of “hate speech ” laws.
    Stuff like this – where a Green Party harpie gets a ban on a Facebook piece for calling her a lousy traitor – should be a thing of the past.

    • Replies: @Randal
  6. Jason Liu says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Classical liberalism” is so done, there’s no point in trying to rectify the definition anymore. Besides, the radicals can always extend the concept of classical liberalism to include liberty from racism, sexism, national borders, etc…

  7. TG says:

    “Liberalism” is not dying. “Liberalism” is dead, and has been since at least 1970.

    What is today called “Liberalism” and “Conservatism” both are simply corrupted labels applied to the same top-down corporate-fascistic elite rule that I think Mr. Buchanan once referred to as “two wings of the same bird of prey.”

    Nobody at the top cares about ‘diversity.’ They care about the easy profits that come from ever cheaper labor. ‘Diversity’ is not suicide but rather murder: instigated by a small number of very powerful people who have decided that the long-term health of their nations and civilization is less important than short-term profits and power.

  8. Randal says:

    I don’t know enough about Kurz to have any idea whether or not he can be trusted. If he isn’t regularly accused of being a “fascist”, a “racist”, an “anti-Semite” and a “Nazi” by the usual suspects then there’s probably not much point expecting much from him. That’s the minimum requirement for any expectation of decency in a politician. Just jumping on the anti-mass immigration and anti-Islamic colonisation bandwagons are not enough these days.

    Looking more widely than Austria, here’s a worse outrage, an 88 year old grandmother sentenced to 6 months in prison in Germany merely for expressing a verboten dissident opinion:

    ‘Nazi grandma’ sentenced to six months in jail in Germany

    As it is in Germany, so it shall be in Britain and in the US if the “liberals” and the lobbies exploiting them get their way.

  9. Randal says:

    Of course, I could never talk about such experiences, ask such questions, or make such observations in college as I would likely be regarded as the incarnation of Adolf Hitler himself.

    Reminded me of the comment posted on one of Sailer’s recent threads here.

  10. yeah says:

    Pat Buchanan has been way too kind and soft on liberalism here. And he has too easily fallen for the pejorative labels that the liberals and the loony left affix onto conservatives of various colors.

    Count the number of people killed, the number of bombs dropped, the number of basic human freedoms suppressed, the number of words forcibly removed and altered from our language, the number of silly and onerous laws imposed, or the amount of taxes extracted, in the name of liberal ideals and you will see that liberalism exceeds Nazism, the worst of dictatorships, and the foulest of tyrannies ever to curse human beings.

    Liberalism is a pox, an aberration, an evil spell, that must be given a permanent burial if we are to regain mental clarity, happiness, and freedom.

    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
  11. nickels says:

    Liberalism: All beliefs {customs, social mores, etc…} should be tolerated.
    Corollary: If beliefs A and B conflict, the newest belief should be given preference, even if it causes the suppression of the older.

    Given belief A, there exists belief ‘not A’, or if ‘not A’ doesn’t exist, belief ‘not A’ will be pushed by the enemies of belief A.

    Since ‘not A’ is newer than A, A must give way to ‘not A’.

    So what does this mean eventually? Liberalism is nothing more than the transvaluation of all values.

    Since most beliefs, A, were created with good reason, the set of beliefs ‘not A’ are not truly held, but just used for destruction. Which means that Liberalism corrodes all existing beliefs (or structures) of a society until nothing is left and every person is an island unto themselves.

    I.E. liberalism is nihilism.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @yeah
    , @Verymuchalive
  12. @Randal

    When the time comes – and it will not be all that far away – the 3rd World multitudes in Western states will have to be confronted. The “goodwhites” who condemn white grannies to jail for thoughtcrime will have to be marginalised and constrained, with great force if necessary.
    If white societies in Europe, North America and elsewhere are to survive, these people must be removed from any and all areas of influence.

  13. yeah says:

    You are SO right, yes liberalism is very nihilistic – for the reasons so logically set forth by you.

    I stand upside down, so I am so progressive, so liberal.

  14. Tipsy says:

    Mrs. Jellyby, a character in Dicken’s Bleak House, spent her time virtue signalling about her philanthropic efforts while completely neglecting her family and her household.

    Liberals do the same thing at a national level.

  15. @nickels

    Very well put. I hadn’t thought of it precisely in that way before. I had usually thought of Liberalism as being degraded by WWI, after which it stopped believing in limited government, and all restraints on its conduct started to corrode.
    I haven’t heard from you before. Keep up the good work.
    PS In America 3 brackets ((( ))) always take precedence.

  16. @Randal

    If he isn’t regularly accused of being a “fascist”, a “racist”, an “anti-Semite” and a “Nazi” by the usual suspects then there’s probably not much point expecting much from him.

    He’s very young, therefore he might change a lot. I also find it difficult to believe that they can seriously blackmail him. The hope being, of course, that if he’s far from perfect now, the changes might just as well be in the right direction.

    I wouldn’t bet my house on it, but we can hope.

  17. Anonymous [AKA "Paul\'s Ghost"] says:

    Its been dead for nearly 20 years now. Liberalism has long been the Monty Python parrot nailed to its perch. At this point, the term is mainly kept alive in right-wing attacks by people who lack the imagination to change their habitual targets for so long.

    To my eye, the last ‘liberal’ politician died in a susupicious plane crash in 2000 as the Bush Republicans were taking the White House by their famous 5-4 vote/coup and also needed to claim control of the Senate. So, the last authentic ‘liberal’ Senator, Paul Wellstone of MN was killed in a suspicious plane crash that was never properly explained.

    Hillary and Obama are to the right of the President that Buchanan served in his White House. Richard Nixon was to the Left of both Hillary and Obama. I can’t even imagine Hillary accepting and signing into law a ‘Clean Water Act’ or enacting Price Controls to fight inflation. No way. Heck would freeze over before Hillary would do something so against her Banker Backers.

    And, at the root, that is the key. The ‘Liberals’ that the right now rails against are strongly backed and supported by the Wall Street Banks and other corporate leaders. The ‘Liberals’ have pushed for a government Of the Bankers, By the Bankers and For the Bankers. The ‘Liberals’ now are in favor of Endless Unconstitutional War around the world.

    Which can only mean that the term ‘Liberal’ has been so completely morphed away from its original meanings to be completely worthless.

    The last true Liberal in American politics was Paul Wellstone. And even by the time he died for his sins, he was calling himself a “progressive” because after the Clintons and the Gores had so distorted the term Liberal it was meaningless. Or it had come to mean a society ruled by bankers, a society at constant war and throwing money constantly at a gigantic war machine, a society of censorship where the government needed to control all music lyrics, the same corrupt government where money could by anything from a night in the Lincoln Bedroom to a Presidential Pardon or any other government favor.

    Thus, ‘Liberals’ were a dead movement even by 2000, when the people who actually believed in the American People over the profits of bankers were calling themselves Progressives in disgust at the misuse of the term Liberal. And now, Obama and Hillary have trashed and distorted even the term Progressive into bombing the world 365 days a year and still constantly throwing money at the military machine and the problems it invents.

    So, Liberalism is so long dead that if you exumed the grave you’d only find dust. And Pat must be getting senile and just throwing back out the same lines he once wrote as a speechwriter for the last Great Lefty President Richard Nixon.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  18. Miro23 says:

    Is Liberalism a Dying Faith?

    Another question is whether this is wishful thinking from Pat or some kind of reality.

    I think that he’s right, that Liberalism is a dying faith, and it’s interesting to check the decline.

    It’s sure that financial (neo)liberalism was in a growth phase prior to year 2000 (under Greenspan, the “Maestro”) with a general belief that the economy could be “fine tuned” with risk eliminated using sophisticated financial instruments, monetary policy etc.

    If Liberalism is a package, then two heavy financial blows that shook the whole foundation were the collapse of the bubble (2000) and the mortgage bubble (2008).

    And, other (self-serving) neoliberal stories are now seen as false. For example, that the US is an “advanced post-industrial service economy”, that out-sourcing would “free up Americans for higher skilled/higher wage employment” or that “the US would always gain from tariff free trade”.

    In fact, the borderless global “world is flat” dogma is now seen as enabling a rootless hyper-rich global elite to draw on a sea of globalized serf labour with little or no identity, while their media and SWJ activists operate a scorched earth defense against any sign of opposition.

    The basic divide is surely Nationalism (America First) vs. Globalism (Neo-Liberalism), as shown by the last US Presidential election.

  19. @Randal

    A useful analogy might be Viktor Orbán. He started out as a leader of a liberal party, Fidesz, but then over time started moving to the right. It is often speculated that he started it for cynical reasons, like seeing how the right was divided and that there was essentially a vacuum there for a strong conservative party, but there’s little doubt he totally internalized it. There’s also little doubt (and at the time he and a lot of his fellow party leaders talked about it a lot) that as he (they) started a family and having children, they started to realize how conservatism kinda made more sense than liberalism.

    With Kurz, there’s the possibility for this path. However, he’d need to start a family soon for that to happen. At that age Orbán was already married with children…

  20. Pat is right as usual! Given the very short duration between Swedish woman waving placards that read ‘Welcome Refugees’ to they’re being raped by the same a great deal of focus has been on why, exactly, only white European nations are targeted for these invasions?? Behind all this, of course, is a list of the usual ‘dirtys’ like George Soros whom Hungarians fear will meddle in their upcoming elections. Many a dirty has already stated their desire to destroy Europe (and America) to say nothing of Christianity by these invasions.

  21. @Anonymous

    Liberalism ( large L) is indeed long dead. Neoliberalism, of which the Clintons are acolytes, supports Free Trade and Open Borders. Although it claims to support World Government, in actual fact it supports corporatism. This is explicit in the TPPA Trump vetoed.
    Under the corporate state, the state controls the corporations, as Don Benito did in Italy. Under corporatism, the corporations tell the state what to do, as has been the case in America since at least the Clinton Presidency.
    Richard Nixon was a capitalist, not a corporatist. He was a supporter of proper competition laws, unlike any President since Clinton. Socially, he was interventionist, though this may have been to lessen criticism of his Vietnam policies. Anyway, his bussing and desegregation policies were a long-term failure.
    Price Control was quickly dropped, as it was in other Western countries. Long term Price Control, as in present day Venezuela, is economically disastrous.

  22. polskijoe says:

    There are forces and many people who
    resist and want to eliminate liberalism. And that is good.

    Modern/Social Liberalism/”Progressivism” is the problem.
    Classical Liberalism smaller problem.

    Nonetheless, the current liberalism, grew out from several movements,
    using some older ideas.

    Once the revolutions spread, creating “democrats”, “republicans”, “liberalism”,
    thats where some of the problems started.
    Then in the 1960s evil took over.

    While political people fight against liberalism,
    liberalism is still spreading even in places like Central Europe, East Europe, etc.
    It is small but growing. Conservatives/ Traditionalists are still dominant in C/E Europe.

  23. Rurik says:

    Europe is rejecting, resisting, recoiling from “diversity,” the multiracial, multicultural, multiethnic and multilingual future that, say U.S. elites, is America’s preordained mission to bring about for all mankind.

    thereby proving for all the world to see their intractable racism and anti-Semitism that is the very reason they MUST blend with the Muslims and Africans and Asians and everyone else!

    because they don’t want to! proving the ((U.S. elites)) right! that Europe and N. America are endemically racist and anti-Semitic and MUST be blended into a mongrel slave race!

    Never again!

  24. Alt Right needs to Pump Identity(and Irony) like Arnold Pumped Iron.

    Pumping Identity into the Political Discourse in a world where whiteness has become flabby and cucky.

  25. Talha says:

    Wow! Absolutely stupendous – one of Mr. Buchanan’s best. It’s really too bad he’s not doing the rounds on tv like he used to, people could benefit from his perspective.


  26. KenH says:

    Let’s hope liberalism is a dying faith and that is passes from the Western world. If not it will destroy the West, so if it doesn’t die a natural death then we must euthanize it. For the evidence is in and it has begat feminism, anti-white racism, demographic winter, mass third world immigration and everything else that ails the West and has made it the sick and dying man of the world.

    But I recall that Pat B also said neoconservatism was on its way out a few years after Iraq war II and yet it’s stronger than ever and its adherents are firmly ensconced in the joint chiefs of staff, the pentagon, Congress and the White House. It’s also spawned a close cousin in liberal interventionism.

    What Pat refers to as “liberalism” is now left wing totalitarianism and anti-white hatred and it’s fanatically trying to remain relevant by lashing out and blacklisting, deplatforming, demonetizing, and physically assaulting all of its enemies on the right who are gaining strength much to their chagrin. They resort to these methods because they can’t win an honest debate and in a true free marketplace of ideas they lose.

    • Agree: polskijoe
  27. Immigration of “diversity”, simply put, means “There Goes The Neighborhood” writ large.

  28. MBlanc46 says:

    Whyever you’re here, you’ll probably be glad that you are.

  29. expeedee says:

    Liberalism fails because it runs counter to human nature and biology. There is no equality, and all attempts to engineer equality, eventually fail. All the battles fought for our survival are imprinted in our DNA and thus xenophobic is not going away either. Globalism goes the same way as liberalism.

  30. “Europe is rejecting, resisting, recoiling from “diversity,” the multiracial, multicultural, multiethnic and multilingual future…” Europe can’t reject, resist or recoil from this because of the Roman Catholic Church. It calls itself the universal church for all peoples – regardless of race. Therein is the problem. Pat Buchanan is an RCC cuck who would OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes.

    The first step in saving Europe is to relocate the papacy to the Congo or the Philippines.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We muslims send our genetic garbage to europe to die in europe’s waters or to be annihilated. Who gives a shit.

    This is the eugenic jihad you motherfuckers.

    Send low-IQ to your enemy to harass him. But, in your homeland breed for high IQ.

    I will sermonize on youtube.

    • Replies: @Talha
  32. Talha says:

    LOL! Is this someone pretending to be a Muslim??!! Muslims have no eugenics program, trying to breed the Hi-IQ Kwisatz Haderach is not even anywhere on our radar. That’s a materialist goal; they build their societies around those kinds of goals and purposes.

    This is a High-IQ society, they are contemplating a “social trust” ranking system for their citizens:

    Who gives a shit.

    Again, another materialist paradigm at work; the idea that our brothers are just cogs in this grand design to extend power into another land. Umar ibn Khattab (ra) would pace back and forth worried about the men he had sent into combat along the Persian and Byzantine fronts. He wouldn’t even hear about building a navy until men with experience and expertise had assured him that his men would not be in danger on the seas.

    I don’t know your angle, but I do know this; one of the the failures of Islamists has been their assumption that they can simply “Islamize” (post)modernity – too many of them have swallowed its entire assumptions – hook, line and sinker.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    (……breed the Hi-IQ Kwisatz Haderach …….)

    This is a fucking excellent idea, even though you’re only being sarcastic.

    But honestly what’s wrong with a eugenics program? We already had one once (cough, Janissaries, cough) .

    • Replies: @Talha
  34. Talha says:

    But honestly what’s wrong with a eugenics program?

    Explain to me how it would work? Why in the world did the Prophet (pbuh) never mention High IQ to be a specific trait as an aim to look for in marriage? Do you know of a hadith on this?

    He told us specific aspects to look for in a spouse, I’ve come across; pious, loving, prolific, those you find attractive.

    The Janissary “program” was a complete violation of the Shariah – taking poll tax of slaves from among dhimmi populations is a gross injustice, even non-Muslim academics will recognize this:
    “This effectively enslaved some of the sultan’s own non-Islamic subjects and was therefore illegal under Islamic law, which stipulated that conquered non-Muslims should be demilitarized and protected.”
    Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia

    Not to mention it ended in disaster.

    If Europeans want to have eugenics programs, most welcome – they can break any moral principles along the way and deal with any unintended consequences.

    Please listen to the last few minutes to this lecture:

    Don’t make High IQ to be a new false god – let others worship it, we already have a Master – and He does not look kindly upon His slaves hooking up with rivals.


  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And yet we are losing to the infidels because of our material weakness. You can continue to lose.

    I am seeking a path to win.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Talha
  36. @yeah

    You would like the book, “Liberalism is a Sin” by Fr. Felix Sarda Y Salvany.

  37. LauraMR says:

    Adults make all kinds of decisions, good and bad, regarding their needs. If some folks decide not to learn English, it is literally their problem. I couldn’t care less.

    Regarding the article, I have lived in some of the countries mentioned and the conclusions offered by Buchanan regarding the politics involved are completely unsound. Indeed, and for example, only a true foreigner with absolute no comprehension of Spain and its history could take recent events for anything other than political theater. To further the incomprehensible error, equating the situation in Catalonia with Galicia is pure insanity, particularly while failing mention Navarre, a far more effective and powerful player.

    Things are coming apart around us to some degree, for sure, and a good reason for it is the clear lack of understanding of what’s actually happening.


  38. MEexpert says:

    I really doubt you are authentic as the add-on to your name “disclaimer” suggests. Your language is certainly not that of a Muslim.

    I am seeking a path to win.

    If you want to do that, follow the teachings of Qur’an. Make your faith stronger and your victory shall be assured.

  39. Talha says:

    This is an interesting response. As MEexpert points out, the language here is suspect. I’ve lived around English speaking Muslims my whole life and “infidel” is just not part of our vernacular. Usually we use phrases like non-Muslims, unbelievers, even kuffaar – but I’ve never heard a Muslim use “infidel”.

    But let’s assume you are a brother. Why is material success even the goal? I’ve studied Islam for many, many years under various scholars and the theme that arises again and again is; do not let the worldly life distract you from your primary goal, anyone who does so has failed the test.

    “By Allah, it is not poverty I fear for you, but rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – reported in Bukhari and Muslim

    Look at what’s happening in the West; they have immense material wealth and success, but spirituality and faith are in serious decline. If the cost of material success are your faith and principles – then what good is it? What have you accomplished other than distance from God? Our values must transcend the material:

    If you already buy the assumption that material wealth is the yardstick of success – then you have already lost the game before you start. The colonized mind and heart are far worse than a colonized country – you can kick out physical invaders, but once a foreign ideology has infused with your very being and thought process then you are fighting yourself.
    “Shaitan threatens you with poverty and bids you to immorality, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and bounty; and Allah is Ample-giving, All-Knowing.” (2:268)

    My sincere advice – get with some serious traditional teachers who speak about spiritual matters so that they can help you navigate priorities.

    Wa salaam.

  40. @Talha

    Hey Talha, you come from Pakistan where the average IQ is 84. Pakistanis are dark skinned another sign of inferiority. And you fall in the Asian category. Below Caucasians.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MEexpert
    , @Anonymous
  41. Talha says:

    I know!!! Can you believe it??!!

  42. MEexpert says:

    Hey Talha, you come from Pakistan where the average IQ is 84. Pakistanis are dark skinned another sign of inferiority. And you fall in the Asian category. Below Caucasians.

    These high IQ white people don’t even know the difference between race, color, and nationality. White is a color not a race. Asian, which is also used here inc0rrectly represents nationality and not a race. Since these high IQ people are generally ignorant in history and geography, let me remind them that there are only three races; Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid. Furthermore, the Aryans also originated from Asia and later moved to Europe. One of the titles of the Shah of Iran was “Aryamehr” which means light of the Aryans.

    I wonder what IQ did Jesus have since he was also dark skinned.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You see Talha?

    Wouldn’t you want to drop a nuke on this bastard?

    Well if we start a eugenics jihad we can create an army and engineering caste the likes of which this world has never seen before and begin the hijra that we are destined to follow, to the stars.

    • Replies: @Talha
  44. Talha says:

    Why bro? Everyone is free to make a fool of themselves in public. So she called me some names, who cares? Am I going to get triggered every time someone types out nonsense?

    “The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.”

    You’ve been reading a bit too much “Dune” bro. I mean, I think it’s the best sci-fi book ever, but that’s not where we derive moral truths or principles from.

    But if you want to get started on the vaunted eugenics program, I suggest getting a genetically gifted wife and starting getting to work.

    Wa salaam

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  45. Is Liberalism a Dying Faith?

    Yes. That is why it is so intolerant and violent.

  46. @attilathehen

    The Catholic Church has little influence on politics or culture in germany, and very little in the U.K. Nobody nonelderly attends Mass even on major holidays.

    Look, one of the reasons we have left the catholic church is its incessant activism on behalf of illegal aliens and their enormous broods of welfare children, its strange preference for anyone nonwhite and non-English-speaking over anyone white and/or English-speaking, its vituperation against those of us who love and are concerned for all peoples but want our own country primarily for our own people. We have been repeatedly lectured and insulted and slurred by catholic priests, from the pulpit and when we discuss with them after Mass.

    But the Catholic Church doesn’t have enough influence left to be blamed for this immivasion. The postchristian nonchristian selfhating nihilist Germans and French and English and Swedish are to blame.

    Having said that, I would be delighted if beautiful Italy, one of my ancestral homelands, would expel the pope and all of Vatican City along with millions of Africans and Muslims who are wrecking what is left of the civilization.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  47. Rurik says:

    Hey Talha,

    The Janissary “program” was a complete violation of the Shariah – taking poll tax of slaves from among dhimmi populations is a gross injustice, even non-Muslim academics will recognize this:

    I’ve never heard of the Janissary “program” described as “poll tax” before. Rather benign sounding if you ask me. 😉

    ,.. IQ to be a new false god – let others worship it, we already have a Master – and He does not look kindly upon His slaves hooking up with rivals.

    I was surprised to see you use that particular word to describe devout Muslims, unless I read you wrong.

    I confess I always wince when I hear Christians describe themselves as a “flock” with a shepherd. I don’t know why anyone would want to promote being a member of a “flock”, let alone a ‘slave’.


    • Replies: @Talha
  48. Talha says:

    Hey Rurik,

    Rather benign sounding if you ask me.

    As I said – it was a gross violation of the rights of the dhimmi population – there is no justification for it. Out of all Muslim sovereigns, only the Ottomans ever practiced it and they also ended it after a few centuries. As far as the Janissaries themselves, well, to be honest – apart from being forcefully converted as children and having to be celibate (at least for the first couple of centuries of the program) – they lived a fairly enviable life in the empire. They were the Ottoman elite guard and had all the perks that came with the position. So much so that Muslims often tried to get their sons smuggled into the program.

    I highly suggest this book on the subject, by my favorite military historian, for further details (even the first few pages that you can preview give some balanced insights into the phenomenon) :

    unless I read you wrong

    No – you read right. We do not see a problem with this; to be a slave or servant to the One Who gave you life is a source of honor – to be a slave or servant to something else is beneath our dignity as human beings. In the Qur’an, God addresses His slaves/servants in very endearing terms:
    “O contented soul – return to your Lord, well pleased (with Him) & well-pleasing (to Him). Enter among My slaves/servants, enter into My Garden.” (89:27-30)


  49. @Talha

    Hey Talha, I gave you credit for being in the 10% of Pakis, but you’re proving me wrong. I didn’t call you names, I stated facts, i.e., average Pakistani IQ is 84. I stated Islam is a Christian heresy, a theological fact. I stated the fact that over 99% of Muslims are black/Asians, biological and low IQ defects.

    If you keep denying facts, I’ll have to demote you to the bottom 90%.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I stated the fact that over 99% of Muslims are black/Asians, biological and low IQ defects.”

    1% of 1.2 billion people is 18 million people. Let’s assume we do eugenics jihad. Are you with me so far, Taha?

    Let us send this 99% to attilahen’s country (he is a hen after all) and let him accept these people. If he doesn’t accept them we don’t care either way. He can put a wall with machine guns and shoot low-IQ women and chilren and men and put youtube videos of himself regaling himself as he does it.

    Also these white chickens like to accuse migrants of being rapists/child sex addicts (many of them are, indeed) while at the same time WHITE CHRISTIAN are the NUMBER 1 sex addict child sex tourist to south east asia:

    I’m sure that attilahen will allow all the white pedophiles to rape migrant children, better than raping his precious white children.

    Listen here, Attilahen, we will make eugenics jihad. The best jihad, we will increase our IQ by 5 standard deviations average from this 18 million people, after 50, 100 years. At the same time we will ship you the garbage that you don’t want in your country so you can document yourself proudly committing war crimes, which I’m sure your heart so desires.

    After we performed eugenic jihad to create the finest army and engineers in the world we can commence other programs.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @attilathehen
  51. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Just for the record, I’m never threatening anybody’s life or country on this website, but some people here are looking for a fight, so it’s worth bringing it to them. That being said, I might be nominally muslim (I don’t actually believe in god, in whatever form) but I never wish harm to come to any country’s citizens because of criminals or terrorists.

    • Replies: @Talha
  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    He wouldn’t even hear about building a navy until men with experience and expertise had assured him that his men would not be in danger on the seas.

    I hate to intrude on discussions with another anonymity, but these experts would seem to have possessed rather less expertise than they credited themselves with.


    • Replies: @Talha
  53. Talha says:

    we don’t care either way

    Again – where are you getting your values, man? Who taught you to think is such a utilitarian way – this is not good for your heart bro. Have you not heard the hadith where the Prophet (pbuh) mentioned that the sanctity of a believer is greater than the sanctity of the Kaaba?

    I don’t know where you are going with this but the believers are a brotherhood that care for each other, not some organic cogs to throw around in some suicidal attempt to create some mythical superhuman. You’re looking to play “Risk” with human pieces – not cool.

    On top of that, don’t buy into this race war nonsense. Anybody can see it as they want – but we Muslims should not be participating in some kind of crazy demographic replacement effort to get rid of “Whitey”. “Whitey” has a Master, just like you do – and He’s the same One. Islam is not some ethnocentric ideology – “Whitey” and “Blackey” are both as equally welcome as “Brownie”.

    Wa salaam

  54. Talha says:

    I might be nominally muslim (I don’t actually believe in god, in whatever form)

    There is no such thing as “ethnic Muslim”. Islam means submission to the will of God. No God = no Islam. It’s a take it or leave it deal.

    Feel free to call yourself Moroccan or Egyptian or Balochi or whatever else, but if you don’t believe in God, you aren’t part of this brotherhood. The White guy who just took shahadah is. No offense, just the facts. If you want to come back – the door is and will always be open.
    “The agenda of the progressive left foundations and nonprofit groups described herein is to refashion Islam as a secular identity group centered on ethnic ‘brownness’”

    So it would be much appreciated if you stop speaking on our behalf honestly because you’re just pissing people off for no reason and we’re the ones that are going to feel the heat. People going to mosques (the one I go to Friday prayer had some bomb threats recently and had to beef up security) – not people that can just pass off as Latino or something.


    That does help clear all this stuff up though – my head was spinning? What scholar is this guy sitting with?! The materialist calculations all make sense now; you want to throw a bunch of Muslims (including desperate women and children) at the front of European firing squads because they don’t mean anything to you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @attilathehen
  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If it makes you feel any better, the Europeans don’t mean anything to me either.

    • Replies: @Talha
  56. Talha says:

    Actually the Rashidun Caliphate did pretty well on the naval front. They knew to hire shipwrights and sailors from former Byzantine territories (just like they did with architects) – especially pissed off populations like Copts that had an axe to grind with their former overlords. Probably surprised the hell out of the Byzantines:

    “At the Battle of the Masts in 655, a fledgling Arab fleet from the Levant crushed the mighty Byzantine navy.”

    Not too much later they had control of the island of Rhodes and eventually made put a siege on Constantinople – not bad for desert dwellers.

    One of the Companions (ra), Abu Ayyub (ra), who took part in that in advanced age but died from illness was buried at the city walls (as was his request). The Ottomans held their coronation ceremonies at the mosque adjacent to his masoleum.


  57. Talha says:

    It doesn’t because Europeans mean something to me, but you get props for consistency.


  58. @Anonymous

    Anonymous, who, what are you? Europeans don’t mean anything to you?

    You would blather on about pure whiteness and now you sound like a Muslim? Oh, he hen is really a she hen and I live in the good ole US of A. I posted this before so many times. How literate are you? I point out facts and you’re babbling about jihad. Increase your IQ in 50 to 100 hundred years. No chance of that. Islam is a evolutionary degenerating belief system as evidenced by what happens to people who convert to this insane belief system.

    You sound like a typical cuck. But I bet you’re Jewish and involved with Asians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. @Talha

    Hey Talha, you are correct in that there are no ethnic Muslims. Islam is a belief system, not a biological system. That’s why as a Christian I can state that Islam is a Christian heresy.

    Also, Islam is a belief system that causes biological degeneration. When Islam was brought to North Africa it brought black slavery, concubinage which destroyed the original North African Caucasians through miscegenation. Also, first cousin marriage destroyed the Asians that converted to Islam.

    Also, I don’t accept black/Asians in my Christian church. They can have their own churches.

    So you as a Paki Asian are not acceptable because of your race/ethnicity and your heretical Muslim faith.

    Your head is spinning? You are finally realizing you don’t belong in the West and that horror will cause your head to explode.

    • Replies: @Talha
  60. Talha says:

    black slavery, concubinage which destroyed the original North African Caucasians through miscegenation

    Damn Sis, you saying them White boys were putting aside White women to hit up some prime Black booty even back in the day??!!

    Scarred old slaver knows he’s doin’ all right,
    Hear him whip the women just around midnight,
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good,
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should

    I don’t accept black/Asians in my Christian church

    Indeed, how goes the Holy Order of the Blessed Shepherd to Get These Niggaz Out Da’ Pews? Growing by leaps and bounds?

    You are finally realizing you don’t belong in the West and that horror will cause your head to explode.

    Yes, very sad. I think I’ll beat the kids to make myself feel better.


  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I am Turkish. Atheist. Anti-White. I am the one who will bring annihilation to your race.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @attilathehen
  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To all humanity actually. All humanity must be destroyed.

    • Replies: @Talha
  63. @RadicalCenter

    [The majority of your comments are exactly the same, complaints about the Roman Catholic Church favoring blacks and Asians. Try to provide some original comments if you want them published.]

    You and others may have left the RCC, but cuck pope Frannie has a worldwide megaphone. He is behind the importation of black/Asians/Muslims into Europe. He, along with the USA Conference of Bishops are working to let more illegals into the USA. He has a worldwide audience and the leftists are working with him.

    Fortunately Trump is president and he is expelling many people. You and other Europeans have to keep electing parties to expel the aliens. Also, continue to boycott and leave the RCC even more.

  64. @Anonymous

    [Your numerous comments are almost always void of content and merely consist of various insults. If you want any of your views published in the future, spend some time to try and produce something substantive and related to the discussion, or just transfer your energies to some other website.]

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