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“Jaw-jaw is better than war-war,” is attributed, wrongly, say some historians, to Winston Churchill. Still, the words lately came to mind.

While last week ended with a hopeful U.S.-Iranian prisoner exchange that was hailed by President Donald Trump — “Thank you to Iran for a very fair negotiation. See, we can make a deal together” — a few days earlier, the week produced more ominous news.

In a startling front-page story Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported that the U.S. is to send 14,000 troops to the Middle East, in addition to the 14,000 we have sent since May.

The reason for the reinforcements, said the Journal, is Iran.

“The Trump administration is considering a significant expansion of the U.S. military footprint in the Middle East to counter Iran, including dozens more ships … and as many as 14,000 additional troops.”

By week’s end, Defense Secretary Mark Esper had knocked down the Journal story, saying no major new deployment is planned and U.S. forces in the region are sufficient to deal with the situation in Iran.
And what is that situation?

Strategically, economically and politically, the Islamic Republic of Iran seems to be in almost desperate straits.

U.S. sanctions have slashed Iran’s oil sales from 2.5 million barrels per day to, by one estimate, 400,000 barrels. After the Nov. 15 announcement of a 50% hike in gas prices to close a budget gap, a week of riots exploded. Within days, protesters were calling for the overthrow of the regime.

Security forces answered with gunfire. In the bloodiest political violence since the Islamic Revolution of 1979, hundreds were killed, with thousands wounded. Amnesty International says it has documented more than 200 deaths.

U.S. special representative for Iran Brian Hook said that 1,000 Iranian citizens may have died: “We know for certain it is many, many hundreds.” Iranian officials concede security forces opened fire with live ammunition.

How long can Iran, its oil revenue a fraction of what it was, cope with this deepening crisis? How long before a desperate Iran lashes out?

When Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal and reimposed U.S. sanctions, Iran warned that if its oil could not get out of the Persian Gulf, the oil of other Gulf States could be kept off of the world markets.

By harassing attacks on several tankers, Iran first sent a signal.

Then came a missile and drone strike on Saudi oil facilities that briefly cut Saudi production in half, to 5 million barrels a day. While the Houthis in Yemen claimed responsibility, the West believes Iran did it.

But the attack on the Saudi oil facilities went answered.

And what, exactly, is the goal of these U.S. sanctions? What is the strategic objective of the pain we are causing — to punish the Iranians or to persuade them to come to the bargaining table?

If it is to strangle the Iranian economy and cause riots, then it is working.

But what is the diplomatic objective? Is it to force Iran to accept a new, tougher and more durable nuclear deal? Does Trump want new controls on Iranian missile tests and a withdrawal of Iranian forces from Syria?

Is it to choke Iran’s economy to death if Tehran does not capitulate to U.S. demands, as we are doing to Nicolas Maduro’s Venezuela?

Is it to ignite a revolution and bring down the government?

Is it to provoke Iran into launching reprisal attacks on U.S., Israeli or Saudi interests that might result in a war that sees Iran’s naval and missile forces smashed as Saddam Hussein’s forces were smashed?

Yet, a new Mideast war — ignited by Trump’s sanctions, which would break his pledge to extricate us from the forever wars of the Middle East, and could cripple the U.S. and world economy — might produce a President Joe Biden or Pete Buttigieg in 2020.

Baghdad has also been wracked by protests that have killed over 400 people, according to Iraq’s High Commission for Human Rights.

On Dec. 1, the Iraqi parliament accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi. In Lebanon, protests against the Beirut regime, marked by open hostility toward Hezbollah, have also forced the resignation of a prime minister.

Before flying to Lisbon to meet Secretary Mike Pompeo, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu exulted: “We’re seeing the Iranian empire totter. We see demonstrations in Tehran, demonstrations in Baghdad, demonstrations in Beirut.” Bibi is not wrong.

France, Britain and Germany, co-signers of the nuclear deal who have sought to maintain the agreement, now appear to believe the Iranians are violating the spirit if not the letter of the deal by testing nuclear-capable ballistic missiles.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif calls the allegation “a desperate falsehood.” The Europeans are “bowing to US bullying,” and covering up their own “miserable incompetence,” he said.

Two U.S. Defense Secretaries, Leon Panetta and James Mattis, called this weekend for U.S.-Iranian negotiations. And Trump’s tweet on the prisoner exchange indicates a receptivity to the idea.

For all involved, jaw-jaw would seem a better option than war-war.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

Copyright 2019 Creators.com.

 
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  1. The US has already been at war with Iran for many years. Unlike the Hot and poorly managed invasion of Iraq the war with Iran has been a COLD war. Bottom line is that the old marriage in between the Iranians and Americans has been broken and both sides have gone through a very bad divorce! So get over it because the bonds between the two countries have been broken and replaced with distrust. The US deserves good friends like Saudis and not Iranians!

  2. SDC says:

    200 deaths, huh? I cam’t believe the Iranian Government killed 1000 protesters. Good on amnesty for revealing the truth of 50,000 dead iranians. We should invade now, so the deaths of those 6 million Iranians aren’t in vain.

    I guess we should let every single African into the US as well, just cause Amnesty said so. This is some powerful logic.

    • LOL: WHAT, Cortes, AltSerrice
    • Replies: @athEIst
  3. Rebel0007 says:

    The neocon psychopaths have convinced themselves that the world will simply obey them, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Not only are the neocons psychopaths, but also totally delusional and in a state of complete denial that they do not weild the power that they have convinced themselves that they do.

    The neocon establishment gets everything wrong. They don’t care. They are content to just print blatant lies and say what great strides that they have made. Nobody believes them. They don’t care. Sticking with stubborn and wrong is the modus operandi of both parties.

    Are we there yet?!

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  4. A123 says:

    There will be no invasion of Iran. Look at the cost of being the “winner” in the failed state of Iraq. No one will put boots on the ground in Iran & pay for nation building.

    The goal is to stop sociopath Khameni from destabilizing the region. His theocracy prioritizes international terror and nuclear weapons development over the needs of the Iranian people. The sanctions have limited funds available to the Ayatollah, and he has made his choice. Ultimately, the people of Iran will take their country back from Khameni’s evil and rejoin the community of civilized nations.

    Ideally this would happen peacefully, but the butcher Khameni has already spilt the blood of thousands of innocent Iranian people to maintain his authoritarian rule. Khameni is now less popular with the people of Iran than the Shah was. If Khameni will not step down, it is only a matter of time until he is removed.

    No invasion, no war, simply justice.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @EoinW
    , @Per/Norway
    , @Mike P
  5. Toxik says:

    I doubt sanctions will cause Iran to come to the table. Sanctions would have to be lifted first, then they might talk. And if they do, the talk will lead nowhere. Iran will not give up on its missiles. Why would they? If Iran did not have its missiles, it would have been attacked already.

  6. @Monty Ahwazi

    There was an old marriage between USA and Iran? I’m almost 50 years old and i must have missed that!

  7. dvorak says:

    “The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.” – Prince Bandar to the head of MI6

    This is what Americans will fight and die for. Neocons and Saudis can be patient, but it will happen.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  8. @Monty Ahwazi

    ‘… The US deserves good friends like Saudis and not Iranians!’

    You have a bleak but definite sense of humor.

    • Agree: Monty Ahwazi
  9. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    ‘There was an old marriage between USA and Iran? I’m almost 50 years old and i must have missed that!’

    It was back when Iran was nice to Israel.

  10. France, Britain and Germany, co-signers of the nuclear deal who have sought to maintain the agreement, now appear to believe the Iranians are violating the spirit if not the letter of the deal by testing nuclear-capable ballistic missiles.

    Why is it expected that Iran will adhere to an agreement that the U.S. had declared null and void?

  11. I think it’s more Jew-Jew.

  12. @Monty Ahwazi

    15 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. None were Iranians. “Friends” indeed.

    • Agree: Monty Ahwazi
  13. TGD says:

    Am I reading Pat’s column right- new US troop deployments to the Middle East of 28,000? If true, the US “deep state” is preparing for “regime change” in Iran. They want to get this long planned war over with before Iran’s nuclear arsenal becomes operational. They missed the boat on North Korea and they don’t want to make the same mistake with Iran.

    Oh the glory to come!

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  14. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    You really did miss it since you weren’t even born during the puppet Shah’s time!

  15. @anonymous1963

    Hopefully my sense of humor shows how pissed off I’m about the US and KSA relationship. It just doesn’t make sense for us to kissing up to the Salafis!

  16. WHAT says:
    @A123

    The goal is to let sociopath Netanyahoo destablizie the region, and no amount of amerigoy lives is too much a price to pay.

    Holocaust didn`t yet happen, you know, but it will. Justice!
    ^_^

    • Agree: Realist
  17. @TGD

    Wishful thinking doesn’t get you anywhere! We’ve done such a wonderful job in Iraq and Afghanistan by establishing democracy in those countries by invading them! Please read the new acquired reports about our successes in Afghanistan before cheerleading for attacking other countries.

  18. WHAT says:

    And while we`re at the subject, let us have an actual Iran info, and not Buchanan`s stale neocohenite screeds:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/12/the-us-campaign-to-weaken-irans-axis-of-resistance-is-failing.html

  19. Paul says:

    If war breaks out, it seems to me that Iran may send the world into a huge recession by using its missiles to target the Strait of Hormuz, U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf, and Saudi Arabian oil fields.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  20. Crazy Horse [AKA "Gall"] says:
    @Rebel0007

    My Sweet Neocon by the Rolling Stones:

  21. KenH says:

    I still believe that if Trump wins re-election his first priority will be escalating tensions with Iran and eventual military strikes for the benefit of Israel. Not building more border wall, deporting record numbers of illegal aliens, combatting tech tyranny, protecting the 2nd amendment or reducing opioid deaths. No, reducing Iran to a state of chaos for the bandit state of Israel is priority #1.

    Priority #2 is another jail break for black criminals and furthering the globohomo agenda.

    • Agree: EoinW
    • Replies: @EoinW
    , @Rurik
  22. Realist says:

    U.S. special representative for Iran Brian Hook said that 1,000 Iranian citizens may have died

    Or 10…or 514 or 20 million…something like that.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  23. Realist says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    The US deserves good friends like Saudis and not Iranians!

    Facetiousness…I hope.

    • Agree: Monty Ahwazi
  24. EoinW says:
    @KenH

    Yes that’s the deal. It explains why Trump is giving Israel everything it wants and even things it hasn’t asked for. Keep the Jews happy so they don’t start the war before November 2020. After that, Trump will give them the war they want.

    • Agree: TimeTraveller
  25. EoinW says:
    @A123

    Hey for once we agree…on the no invasion. The US/Israeli military only murder people from a distance. Their servicemen won’t risk their lives.

    Funny how Iran is guilty of destabilizing the region. International terror? Care to list some of these terrorist attacks? ISIS and al-Qaida are responsible for most and all the attacks are against Shias. Iran has been fighting these head choppers, America sending them arms and money, Israel providing refuge.

    If Iran is guilty of destabilizing the region it is in the sense that they are challenging Israeli/US control of the region. Who can blame them? For 2 decades Pax Americana has meant endless violence, economic hardship and millions of refugees. Plus the Project for a Greater Israel is never ending which means the violence will not cease.

    The future for the region needs to be peaceful. That will happen when Russia becomes the overlord. You know, no more daily drone strikes, no more economic sanctions, no more regime change, no more supporting head chopping terrorists and diplomacy, not threats. Iran’s role -which is being forced upon it – will be to push the Americans, Israelis and Saudis out of the region forever.

    That’s your PEACE. That’s your justice.

    • Replies: @A123
  26. A123 says:
    @EoinW

    Hey for once we agree…on the no invasion. The US/Israeli military only murder people from a distance. Their servicemen won’t risk their lives.

    Wrong. You confuse The U.S. And Iran.

    The cowardly Iranian military murders via proxy, such as Iranian al’Hamas and Iranian al’Hezbollah. And, those cowardly proxies hide behind human shields.

    Funny how Iran is guilty of destabilizing the region. International terror? Care to list some of these terrorist attacks?

    Are your skills so poor you need me to list them for you? Sigh. Here are some recent highlights:

    — Iranian Islamic Jihad in Palestine [PIJ] rocket attack on a Human Rights NGO building in Gaza.
    — The Iranian al’Hezbollah anti-tank missile attack on a military ambulance.
    — Iranian al’Hamas “Return” terror attacks every Friday.

    Iran’s role … will be to push the Americans, Israelis and Saudis out of the region forever.

    So you admit that the Ayatollah’s goal is genocide. That is a big step forward for honesty. Your fellow decepticons will not like you for admitting the truth.

    While sociopath Khameni is violent enough and depraved enough to try you desired genocide. He has neither the tools nor the money. Bankruptcy is coming. Here is a prediction for you:

    The Iranian people will choose food over fanaticism.
    _______

    PEACE 😇

  27. @Monty Ahwazi

    True, one that brings a dowry. The Iranians cannot and should not expect any kind of relationship if they don’t wanna pay.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  28. bluedog says:

    I quit reading after hundreds killed and thousands wounded, for that is nothing more than propaganda and Pat ought to give it up while he still a little respect.!!!

    • Replies: @anon
  29. @dvorak

    According to many Sunnis, the Arab Street is pissed off at the Wahhabi clown prince and the head choppers for sullying their religion.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  30. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    Agree

    Also — the options are no longer “war war or jaw jaw.”

    time for pitchforks, rope & lampposts

    meanwhile, A 123 @ 26 = Jew Jew — starving innocent people is a trademark. Own it buttplug
    see that there lamppost, yellow belly? It’s all yours.

    If the American people had any self-respect, they would be impeaching their Congress in defense of their government and in opposition to that government’s criminality.

  31. Rurik says:
    @KenH

    I still believe that if Trump wins re-election his first priority will be escalating tensions with Iran and eventual military strikes for the benefit of Israel. Not building more border wall, deporting record numbers of illegal aliens, combatting tech tyranny, protecting the 2nd amendment or reducing opioid deaths. No, reducing Iran to a state of chaos for the bandit state of Israel is priority #1.

    I suspect you’re right, but please consider the alternative.

    The Dems are going to nominate a kosher candidate. That’s a no-brainer, and when they do, it won’t just be war on Iran, but war on Heritage America as well. Or, at least a more energized war on Heritage America than we’re already witness to.

    I would expect land reform laws like they’re imposing on South Africa, to make amends for generations of oppression, racism and slavery. We all know such laws would be welcomed by the woke, progressive left with great enthusiasm. Not to mention the armies of vibrants, all getting in line for their new houses.

    Trump is a slave to Zion, but at least the leftist Jews hate his white man’s guts with blood-speckled rancor. His Scotus appointments are driving them to unhinged madness. Just his blonde-haired swagger is enough to existentially eviscerate their rotten souls.

    We’re going to get treason and betrayal on behalf of the (((Glob))) no matter what we do, but as long as Trump is causing apoplexy among the most loathsome of the leftists, we can at least enjoy our silver lining to the death of our world and all we hold dear.

    Trump, for all his treasonous bootlicking to Israel, is still hands down our best bet, unless perhaps Tulsi miraculously isn’t destroyed by the corrupt DNC and ((media)).

    And even with her, we’re still going to get the anti-white legislation, but perhaps the Eternal Wars for Israel will be put off for a while longer..

    Personally, while I harbor no delusions about Trump thumbing his nose at Sheldon and co., just the thought of all those hatred-consumed leftists crying their hatred-consumed eyes out on election night, is at least a morsel to a dying ((murdered)) Heritage America.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @KenH
  32. Virgile says:

    The naivety of the US and Israel toward Iran is amazing. Iran Islamic Republic has survived 8 years of war with Iraq that was triggered and supported by US and its european allies. It has survived 25 years of sanctions and numerous plot for coups. They all failed.
    Unfortunately because of the relentless economical and political assaults, the Islamic republic of Iran has failed to fulfill the vision of the revolution: Eliminate corruption and poverty. Thus Iran is socially unstable and may appear vulnerabe but it is not
    While the USA thinks they brought Iran to its knees with the US withdrawal from the nuclear dea and the endless sanctions, the Iranians are not stupid, quite the contrary.They have seen in the last decades the constant intervention from the CIA to foment trouble and divisions. They know how to recognize the plotters and how to eliminate them. Iran is a country under siege and its methods to resist are certainly not gentle, when it deals with a superpower that wants revenge on the humiliation of been kicked out like parasites at the fall of the USA friend and slave, the Shah of Iran.
    If the USA is relentless in it assaults on Iran to calm the fear of Saudi Arabia and Israel, Iranians are not only resilient but much smarter than the CIA or any of these neo-cons rich lobbies that have destroyed Iraq and think they can do the same with Iran
    Trump recognizes intelligence and if he survives the empeachment and it reelected, he will certainly move positively toward Iran at the risk of been assassinated by Israel that would enter in panic mode as it will be obliged to make huge concessions to the Palestinians

  33. @A123

    keep drinking that kool-aid npc123, it cant be easy living with your massive cognitive dissonans.

    • Replies: @A123
  34. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    hatred-consumed leftists crying their hatred-consumed eyes out

    There’s some good ones here:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/best-photos-election-night-2016-43396490/image-43405935

    I think this is my favorite.

    The redhead looks positively ashen.

    What we’re looking at in that photo, is exactly what a human – drunk on power, looks like when that power is being taken away.

    The people in the photo above are simply losing their personal ability to use raw power to impose their mean-spirited pettiness over myriad victims.

    And the rancor in their faces reveals stony, implacable hate.

    Heh, hehe

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  35. A123 says:
    @Per/Norway

    Why don’t you go back to Scandanavia? You should love the pro-rape, sharia law there: (1)

    … leaders in European countries like Sweden, Germany and others are importing rape culture into their societies. Western women and children are paying the price for their decisions of “tolerance.” Hundreds-of-thousands of men from Islamic countries where women are treated as sex objects and property are given free reign not only to abuse the system, but do so knowing the government will hide their crimes.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/01/06/journalist-investigating-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-beat-up-by-migrants-speaking-arabic-n2267918

    • Troll: NoseytheDuke
  36. @Rev. Spooner

    You mean like bribery? Never! Only Saudi does that!!

  37. @Rev. Spooner

    With all due respect I disagree with you! Mohamad-butcher of- Saudi (MbS) is corrupting the streets of Arab world with his money! Places like Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and especially Yemen are in turmoil because MbS is spending money so the people go on streets or spent money on arms to kill the innocents in Yemen!

  38. @Rurik

    What a wonderful collection of photos.

    I hope all the depressed lefties availed themselves of that physician-assisted suicide, so dear to their petty and resentful adolescent hearts.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  39. A123 says:

    Ayatollah Khameni’s plan explained in one simple drawing:
    ______


    ______

    PEACE 😇

  40. Rurik says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I hope all the depressed lefties availed themselves of that physician-assisted suicide

    Just wait for 2020!

    If you think these people are unhinged with rage now, wait until Trump wins in November!

    while looking for a proper image for schadenfreude, I found this

    heh, hehe..

  41. @A123

    Starving, sanctioning, and eviscerating a people to peace seems a bit counterintuitive to me.

    If I repeatedly swat the snout of a dog with a rolled newspaper, doesn’t it want to rip my throat out?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ozymandias
  42. After reelection,
    Orange Bomber will attack Iran.
    After escalation,
    Panicked markets rue the global plan.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  43. A123 says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Starving, sanctioning, and eviscerating a people to peace seems a bit counterintuitive to me.

    Feeble attempt at wrapping hyperbole around your pathetic lie. The U.S. has not starved, santioned, eviscerated the “people” of Iran. The U.S. Sanctions are against the sociopathic Ayatollah. The Iranian leader Khameni is eviscerating and starving his own people.

    Since you like hyperbole…. Where you approach the truth but choose not see:

    — Khameni “Mutilator of the Innocent” is hated by his people.
    — Khameni “Ayatollah of Famine and Starvation” is hated by his people.

    And yes, the people of Iran will hold the hated Khameni responsible for the starvation and mutilation he intentionally created.

    PEACE 😇

  44. Jaw-jaw–
    Orcmurika demands surrender to AntiChrist.
    Maw-maw–
    Like hyenas, the gangsters devour all who resist.

    Orcocracy in action…

    • Agree: follyofwar
  45. @A123

    Go back to Breitbart . Where the brainwashed comment.

    • Replies: @A123
  46. Bookish1 says:
    @Paul

    True, iran has a big trump card(no pun intended)

  47. @A123

    The vitriol of your response suggests to me you may have doubts about your own position.

    Curious also, how is it you end your comments with “PEACE,” when the neocon policies you recommend result in hate, death, and destruction everywhere they are tried?

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @A123
  48. bjondo says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    Saudis are great allies to US.

    All the oil needed to control others..
    Petrodollar.
    Support, supply endless thugs for mischief or worse.
    Prop up US economy.
    Prop up crooked politicians and PR firms.
    Buy and store US weapons for US,
    Israel to use.
    War against Yemen, others (Syria)
    for US Israel.

    5ds

  49. bjondo says:

    Trump will have opportunity to
    appoint 2 – 4 new Supreme Court Justices by 2024.

    Good chance 2 by Nov 2020.

    Major fear.

    Major hysteria coming.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    , @bluedog
  50. @anonymous1963

    Please tell me how those hijackers managed to plant explosives in all 3 towers that collapsed on 911. They didn’t but Jews and Israel did.

  51. athEIst says:
    @SDC

    The 6-million number is taken.

  52. @Realist

    Well we sure as hell know it sure isn’t 6 million. That’s number’s been taken.

    • Agree: Realist
  53. Stavros says:
    @Sir Launcelot Canning

    The CIA was instrumental in having the Shah removed from power and replaced by Ayatollah Khomeni in the hopes that he would be a malleable puppet. The Shah was always a friend to the west. Tell me again, how are the USA’s machinations in the Middle East working out?

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  54. It is a good sign if President Trump is receptive to talks. A campaign of regime change in Tehran would have dire consequences. It would threaten vital interests of China and Russia, bringing America into confrontation with them. World War Three would be far worse than global recession or a change in the White House. And history is already moving in the direction of nuclear Armageddon.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  55. Hossein says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    The marriage between the Mullas and empire still exists. The barking, harrassement and exporting violence and in particular sectarianism to the region have benefitted the empire greatly by forcing despotic regimes in the region to purchase hundreds of billions in weaponry.
    It is shocking that Buchanan does not mention the recent atrocities in Iraq and the slaughter of civilians in southern petro chemical city of Ma,ashoor were tens and perhaps hundreds of ethnic Ahwazi Arabs were butchered by the Persian regime.

    The rotten mullas cooperated with the empire against Afganistan Najib government and every progressive movement in the region. Their criminal support for the so called “northern allianc” , a coalition of heroin dealers and warlords is a perfect example of such cooperation.
    The Mullas ,without help from Imperial powers, would never have been in power .
    A reactionary medeival mulla like Komeini regime was and still is a perfect tool to confront nationalist movements .
    The truth is that the government of sadistic Rabbis and reactionary Persian Mullas are in cahoots to divide the middle east between themselves.
    The Yinon and Greater Persia plans are the same .

  56. KenH says:
    @Rurik

    Or, at least a more energized war on Heritage America than we’re already witness to.

    There’s no doubt about that. (((They))) have a satanic hatred of us because unlike almost half of the white population we can’t be made to hate ourselves and don’t desire our own diminution and extinction. The energized and ramped up war against white America started with the tactics used at Charlottesville and the kangaroo courts used to try and convict those whites whose only crime was that they fought back against rabid and violent leftists. The doxxing and tech tyranny against pro-whites continues.

    I also believe there will be a war on white males and there’ll be a lot of FBI entrapment schemes to put as many politically incorrect white men in prison as humanly possible. Mass incarceration of violent black men = bad and racist but mass incarceration of white men = good and social progress.

    I also predict the federal courts will start reading in exceptions to the first and second amendments rendering them meaningless. IOW, the founders never intended for the 1A to protect anti-semitism nor for the 2A to allow people effective firearms with which to resist tyranny such as AR-15’s and AK47’s. And as the population becomes dumber and browner they’ll read in even more exceptions.

    I would expect land reform laws like they’re imposing on South Africa

    Indeed. The next Democrat president will try to flood the shrinking number of 80% (or more) white towns and smaller cities with illegal aliens, Muslim refugees and bongo partiers. That’s how Hazelton, PA went from a 95% white city in 2000 to a 44% white city today.

    Outside of foreign policy Tulsi is just the half Somoan version of AOC.

    That Trump has unmasked the organized left as rabid, America and white hating fanatics was a good thing. There’s no doubt about it anymore and detente with the Jew led left is not possible since their goal is the utter destruction of heritage America and the founding white racial stocks.

    The only prudent course for white American patriots with the Jew led left is brinksmanship and war-war.

  57. A123 says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    My response was 100% vitrol free. I simply responded in kind to your hyperbole.

    Your response indicates that you have severe mental issues. Symptoms include:

    — Accusations based on non-existent grounds
    — Projection of your behaviour on to others

    Please seek psychiatric assistance before you begin to self harm.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  58. A123 says:
    @Isthatright

    Please proceed immediately to your paper of record, The New York Dhimmi Times of Islam. I am sure they will love your jihadi comments over there.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @NegroPantera
  59. @SeekerofthePresence

    President Trump should have been impeached when he tore up the Iran Nuclear Deal – all because Obama’s name was on it instead of his. But it is ridiculous that he is being impeached over a stupid phone call. I think I’ll write in Tulsi Gabbard next year. At least I’ll have a clean conscience when Bibi’s long-sought war with Iran commences.

  60. Mike P says:
    @A123

    I had to scroll down all the way to the 4th comment to find one by a Zio shill – you are slipping, A123. Don’t linger in bed quite so long, or you will get a pay cut.

  61. @Stavros

    President Carter presided over that major strategic blunder. Andrew Young, the chief United States delegate to the United Nations, praised Islam as “a vibrant cultural force in today’s world” and said that Ayatollah Khomeini, the Iranian Islamic leader, would eventually be hailed as “a saint.”

  62. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    This A123 has had the best recent run of the (prolific) trolls on TUR. Corvinus plays Tom Parsons, this one John Hagee.

    Like Corvinus, though, staying in character —> caricature. The lapse into “same to you and more of it” likewise dilutes the willful obtuseness and “Peace” shtick.

  63. @peter mcloughlin

    I’ve read that a war on Iran would bring in Russia and China and could result in Nuclear Apocalypse.

    I’ve also read that Russia and China will sit on their hands and do nothing as the last remaining, and strongest, Middle East power falls.

    If the Hegemon wasn’t afraid of the first scenario, Iran would have been toppled long ago. The 7 countries in 5 years Neocon wet dream has been put on ice. And Russia is hated because it stood in the way of Syria falling, while it has impeded the expansion of Greater Israel beyond the stolen Golan Heights, illegally gifted to them by Bibi’s greatest supporter.

    Let’s hope that Mr. Putin and Xi Jinping have something up their sleeves. The Hegemon must be stopped.

  64. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hossein

    I will believe you once we can find any evidence of Wahabi helping the causes of education, democracy ,poverty,gender equality ,safety of immigrant women and above all not working as doormat for UK and US . I will believe you once you can show the rabid stupid sensual uncouth Saudi and UAE royals are not getting their supplies of virgins from East Europe through Israel. Tell us more about the Saudi +UAE stances on Kashmiri and Palestinian These 2 bastards uncouth stupidest greedy arrogant and entitled morons have exposed their true loves: sticking and holding to power at any cost ,even if that means changing the scripts of Koran. They have already succeeded in changing the meanings of the Koran.

  65. @bjondo

    The next Supreme Court nominee hearing will be high drama for sure.

  66. turtle says:

    Iran is the “new Germany.”
    …which must be “stopped” because it is becoming”too strong” and therefore poses a “threat” to “Western civilization.” IOW, Iran wants to be an actual developed country, not content to be a (foreign owned) petroleum company with a seat @ the U.N.
    c.f. Winston Churchill, 1936.

    Hoo-hah about “human rights,” etc. is nothing but a smokescreen.

  67. turtle says:

    And the beat goes on:

    The US rolled out new sanctions against Iranian companies, including its largest airline Mahan Air, accused of “weapons of mass destruction proliferation”

    https://www.rt.com/news/475598-washington-iran-mahar-air-sanctions/

  68. @Hossein

    Please present your evidences! Hear say which the region is full of it and broadcasted by the Iranian media in the west and financially supported by the CIA and Brian Hook aren’t considered evidences! To the contrary to your sentiment Brian Hook along with Mohammed-butcher of-Saudi (MbS) and others are trying so hard to create chaos in Iran as their precedent agents have. They haven’t accomplished anything but empower the Iranians over the past 4 decades. The US officials have boxed themselves into only one option and that is to sit at the table with Iranians and try to resolve their differences with respect. If we drag our feed to the benefit of a bunch of regional bozos Iranians are going to move into the direction with no chance of returning! The ball is in our court!

  69. @A123

    You mean Jew York Times? NYT as it is called is the biggest and filthiest mouthpiece of Jewish Neocons and their racist colonial entity.

    • Replies: @anon
  70. @A123

    Am afraid your gaslighting may be running out of gas.

    Appeal to absurd non-issues is a confession that you have no case.

    • Replies: @A123
  71. A123 says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Dissociation with reality is a symptom of dangerous mental instability on you part. You cannot ‘believe away’ facts.

    Please seek mental professional help before your Trump’s Derangement Syndrome [TDS] leads to self harm.
    _______

    PEACE 😇

  72. @Hossein

    “The truth is that the government of sadistic Rabbis and reactionary Persian Mullas are in cahoots to divide the middle east between themselves.
    The Yinon and Greater Persia plans are the same.”

    Utterly delusional.

    Not sure what your objective is, but the idea that there is some sort of secret compact between Iran and Israel is so ludicrous that I have to assume you are commenting from a psychiatric asylum somewhere.

  73. Hossein says:

    The Zionists and those seeking greater iran, at the expense of Arabs, call themselves natural allies for they both racially abhor the Arabs . Both the Zionists and the Persianists claim the middle east as their own.
    Some members of Iran’s national front and pan Iranists have even dared to call for annextaion of Iraq as of Iran’s provinces. The colonial expansionist mindset that the Zionists have is even more prevelant among the supremacist Persians.Komeini himself was one of them cleverly using Shia VS Sunni and sectarian bloodshed to make serious expansionist moves into Arab heartland and in particular Iraq.Komeini was an an avid persian supremacist and his horrific crimes against the Ahwazi arabs and the Kurds are a perfect example of his ethnic supremacist bloodthirstiness .
    The entire nonsense peddled by the Persian regime as being anti Zionists is nothing but a ruse cleverly designed to distance the Arabs from their nationalism allowing neocolonial Persian plans be implemented .
    Notice that the Zionist criminals and their so called “enemy” ,the persian regime, have never entangled themselves into any serious warfare or even a mild militray confrontation.
    They oppose one another because they both want largest piece of the middle east pie for themselves.

    The current resistance in Iraq and south west Iran,Ahwaz, against the barbarity and savagery of Persian racism , supremacy and colonial expansionism is a proof and evidence that the “natuarl allies” ,The Zionists and Pan Iranists, have the same grotesque and savage plan for greater Arab middle east .

    https://www.dusc.org/en/article/5045

  74. Iraq is an independent and sovereign country but fu&ked up by the US invasion. Now sectarian strifes are being promoted by the US in Iraq ensuring separation of the governments in Baghdad and Tehran. Nevertheless Iranians have no desire of taking control of that country and Iraq has to deal with own internal problems. However, Bahrain is another story! Once upon the time Bahrain was part of the Iran sovereignty until Shah was fooled by the GB (of course now is downgraded and aka UK) to let go of Bahrain with nothing in return. Hopefully one day Iran will reclaim the sovereignty of Bahrain at the UN in the future!

    • Replies: @Hossein
  75. “Is It Jaw-Jaw or War with Iran”

    That depends on the Jew-Jew.

    Sad to say.

  76. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    You are displaying your age, or sad lack of it.

    For decades Israel’s “Strategy of the periphery” was to cultivate those non-Arab countries on the other side of their Arab State neighbors: Iran and Turkey for Iraq etc.

  77. Hossein says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    Nice way of promoting Persian neocolonialism. Bahrain never was a part of Iran . Even Arabistan, which falsely is now called Kuzistan, was mostly an independent enclave run by Ahwazi arabs.
    The nonsense peddled by you is proof that Persian neocolonialism and expansionism is active and in full throttle as promoted by supremacists like you .
    True that Iraq was fucked up by the US invasion but one must also admit that the most supportive and vociferous of such invasion and destruction were none but the Zionists and Persianists who are dreaming of their fake manufactured greatness.The persians and Jews celebrated the destruction of Iraq, their natural enemy of their natural alliance.
    As i said before the Zionists and Persianists have the same Imperial and colonial dreams and goals for the Arabs and yet ,sadly, most of the Arabs have become foolish enough to believe and follow the lies and deception of Persian racist anti Arab Mullas whose expansionist , neocolonial plans and dreams are exactly the same as their racist rabbinical countrparts in occupied palestine.

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
  78. Charlemagne says: • Website
    @A123

    Hamas is a Sunni organization, not Shia.

    • Replies: @A123
  79. anon[680] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Prior ZOG controlled US Gub administrations sold f-14 Tomcats to Iran:

    ” There was only one foreign customer for the advanced F-14 Tomcat fighter during its heyday: Iran. The Shah chose to buy 80 Tomcats instead of the F-15 Eagle,..”

    circa 1979

  80. A123 says:
    @Charlemagne

    Hamas is a Sunni organization, not Shia.

    Iranian al’Hamas currently takes money and orders from Ayatollah Khameni.

    Fanatical hatred of the original occupants of Judea and Samaria has left them willing to temporarily cooperate despite centuries of Shia/Sunni enmity. Don’t worry. This will end soon enough when the bribe money runs out.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Charlemagne
  81. Charlemagne says: • Website
    @A123

    A123

    Proof? Oh yeah, you found it on page c-22 of the Washington Postal….

    • Replies: @A123
  82. A123 says:
    @Charlemagne

    Iran funding of al’Hamas is common knowledge, universally accepted by all sides: (1)

    Iran is set to boost its funding to Hamas by an unprecedented 260 percent. An August 5 report by the Times of Israel stated that Iran has expressed willingness to increase its funding to Hamas from an estimated $8.3 million to $30 million a month.

    According to the report, Iran promised to increase funding in return for intelligence about the location of Israeli missiles.

    If you do not like this source, feel free to do your own research. This non-controversial, objective fact is available everywhere.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.thetrumpet.com/21091-iran-to-drastically-increase-hamas-funding

    • Replies: @anon
    , @MEexpert
  83. Anon[284] • Disclaimer says:

    This insufferable endless impeachments saga and the (dem) Russophobia Hoaxes have only contributed to satanize any attempt to a PRAGMATIC collaboration between Trump and Putin+ (UK,France) to maintain world peace. The DEMS effectively manufactured the Russia+China+Iran coalition…and now what?? Its Trump’s ills..The DEMs are responsible for MANY loss opportunities for the Americas role in the world and expsnive unnessary Investigations, Hearings reports the COSTS economically, fiscally and politically are staggering…will they(dems) stop it?? or continue the Hosue of Cards endless mindless saga??

  84. anaccount says:

    Why does Pat Buchanon tow the establishment line on Iran? He ends this article with an anti-war platitude but the rest of it reads like any other MSM screed. Everyone already knows this line of bullshit because it’s reported 24/7, 365 days a year. It’s hard to get away from it and now I can’t get away from it even when I’m reading a Buchanon article.

    I’m well aware that nothing is sacred in Yankee-Judea but this is just weird.

  85. anon[977] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    World should be thankful to Iran for the collaborative nature of relationship between the 2 – Hamas ,maligned and blockaded by Israel and Iran maligned and blockaded by west by the order of Israel .

    Amen !

  86. anon[977] • Disclaimer says:
    @NegroPantera

    Yes , NYT described Ariel Sharon ,architect of so many massacres and killer of Arafat and one of the guiding stars to the Iraq war journey ,as peace maker .

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  87. @anon

    Yeah Sharon is at PEACE in HELL!

  88. @SeekerofthePresence

    “If I repeatedly swat the snout of a dog with a rolled newspaper, doesn’t it want to rip my throat out?”

    Exposure to your “poetry” has a very similar effect.

  89. MEexpert says:
    @A123

    A123berg is an israeli troll.

    Iran funding of al’Hamas is common knowledge, universally accepted by all sides: (1)

    He thinks by adding”al’” he can impress people and make them believe that it is an arab organization, I can add “berg” to his name and make him an israeli agaent. There is no such thing as al’Hamas or al’Hizbollah. For your information Hamas is an Israeli creation. It was formed to oppose Al-Fatah and Arafat. Just like Hizbollah, another Israeli creation, it came to bite Israel in its rear end. Oh! by the way, A123berg, al’ISIS is an israeli organization.

  90. A123 says:

    “MEexpert” is a known liar, auditioning to be an operative of the IslamoSoros. Alas for him, everyone has higher standards. Truth3 has a better shot of getting paid. ME(non-)expert thinks he can camouflage his blatant trolling by accusing others of his crimes. He believes you are stupid enough to notice the lack of facts in his ludicrous post.

    Observe carefully… He does not provide any citations showing separation between Iran and Iranian al’Hamas, because they do not exist from any credible source. Not even Iranian state media such as “FARS News” deny the link between Iran and Iranian al’Hamas.

    You do not have to believe me… Please do your own research on Iranian funding of Iranian al’Hamas.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  91. bluedog says:
    @A123

    Lol you could make a saint look like the devil as you weave your fairy tales,we are pissed off because Iran gave us the boot,run out our install dictator and labeled us as the devil,and we are and folks like you simply can’t stand the truth for the people of Iran as they turn out in the thousands to support their country and its leadership,which of course makes you a poor liar.!!!

  92. bluedog says:
    @bjondo

    That’s simply another thing to fear for Trumps no friend of the people,he’s failed to do a thing he promised when he ran and that old tired bullshit that its all because of the deep state simply fails to wash anymore.
    Trumps a con man who cares for no one but Trump and his Jewish son-in-law (birds of a feather) who’s only concern is feathering their own nest at the expense of the working class, while he twits and tweeters stupid thing on twitter.People had a number of chances to vote in the primaries for decent men (Ron Paul) comes to mind, instead they always vote for the shit, and then when it splatters back on to them its always well I voted for the lessor of the two evils.As LBJ told them see that I get elected and you will get the war you want so badly, and Trumps no different they will get the war they want.!!!!!!

  93. MEexpert says:
    @A123

    You do not have to believe me… Please do your own research on Iranian funding of Iranian al’Hamas.

    You are right. We don’t have to believe you and many of us don’t. Even if Iran gives money to Hamas, that does not make it “Iranian Al’Hamas,” as you describe it. Qatar also funds Hamas. I see, you did not deny the Israeli al’ISIS and Israeli Al’Qaeda, and Israeli al’Nusra, and so on. Replace USA or KSA for these organizations and you will still be right..

    You are mad at Hamas because they are beating the pants off of Israel. For a small band of fighters with no military or Air Force like Israel, they are runnning circles around Israel. If Iran funds them, I say all power to Iran.

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