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“Let someone else fight over this long blood-stained sand,” said President Donald Trump in an impassioned defense of his decision to cut ties to the Syrian Kurds, withdraw and end these “endless wars.”

Are our troops in Syria, then, on their way home? Well, not exactly.

Those leaving northern Syria went into Iraq. Other U.S. soldiers will stay in Syria to guard oil wells that we and the Kurds captured in the war with ISIS. Another 150 U.S. troops will remain in al-Tanf to guard Syria’s border with Iraq, at the request of Jordan and Israel.

And 2,000 more U.S. troops are being sent to Saudi Arabia to help defend the kingdom from Iran, which raises a question: Are we coming or going?

In his conflicting statements and actions, Trump seemingly seeks to mollify both sides of our national quarrel:

Is America still the world’s last superpower with global policing obligations? Or should we shuck off this imperial role and make America, again, in Jeane Kirkpatrick’s phrase, “a normal country in a normal time”?

In Middle America, anti-interventionism has carried the day. As Trump says, no declaration at his rallies is more wildly welcomed than his pledge to end our Middle East wars and bring the troops home.

But in this imperial capital, the voice of the interventionist yet prevails. The media, the foreign policy elite, the think tanks, the ethnic lobbies, the Pentagon, the State Department, Capitol Hill, are almost all interventionist, opposed to Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds. Rand Paul may echo Middle America, but Lindsey Graham speaks for the Republican establishment.

Yet the evidence seems compelling that anti-interventionism is where the country is at, and the Congress knows it.

For though the denunciations of Trump’s pullout from Syria have not ceased, one detects no campaign on Capitol Hill to authorize sending U.S. troops back to Syria, in whatever numbers are needed, to enable the Kurds to keep control of their occupied quadrant of that country.

Love of the Kurds, so audible on the Hill, does not go that far.

While surely loud, the neocons and liberal interventionists who drown out dissent in D.C. appear to lack the courage of their New World Order convictions.

In 1940-41, the anti-interventionists of “America First” succeeded in keeping us out of the world war (after Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland in September of 1939 and Britain and France went to war). Pearl Harbor united the nation, but not until Dec. 7, 1941, two years later — when America First folded its tents and enlisted.

Today, because both sides of our foreign policy quarrel have powerful constituencies, we have paralysis anew, reflected in policy.

We have enough troops in Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from overrunning Kabul and the big cities, but not enough to win the war.

In Iraq, which we invaded in 2003 to oust Saddam Hussein and install a democracy, we brought to power the Shia and their Iranian sponsors. Now we battle Iran for political influence in Baghdad.

Across the Middle East, we have enough troops, planes and ships to prevent our expulsion, but not enough to win the wars from Syria to Yemen to Afghanistan.

ORDER IT NOW

Bahrain in the Persian Gulf is the home base of the U.S. Fifth Fleet. We have 13,000 troops and a major air base at Al Udeid in Qatar. U.S. Army Central Command and 13,000 U.S. troops are in Kuwait. Trump has sent more troops to Saudi Arabia, but it was the “infidel” troops’ presence on sacred Saudi soil that was among the reasons Osama bin Laden launched 9/11.

To the question, “Are we going deeper into the Middle East or coming out?” the answer is almost surely the latter.

Among the candidates who could be president in 2021 — Trump, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders — none is an interventionist of the Lindsey Graham school. Three are anti-interventionist and anti-war, which may help explain why Democrats are taking a second look at Hillary Clinton.

According to polls, Iran is first among the nations that Americans regard as an enemy. Still, there is no stomach for war with Iran. When Trump declined to order a strike on Iran — after an air and cruise missile attack shut down half of Saudi oil production — Americans, by their silent acquiescence, seemed to support our staying out.

Yet if there is no stomach in Middle America for war with Iran and a manifest desire to pull the troops out and come home, there is ferocious establishment resistance to any withdrawal of U.S. forces. This has bedeviled Trump through the three years of his presidency.

Again, it seems a stalemate is in the cards — until there is some new explosion in the Mideast, after which the final withdrawal for America will begin, as it did for the exhausted British and French empires after World War II.

That we are leaving the Middle East seems certain. Only the departure date is as yet undetermined.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. KenH says:

    In his conflicting statements and actions, Trump seemingly seeks to mollify both sides of our national quarrel:

    That’s the problem with Trump. He’s no populist visionary for if he was he wouldn’t flip flop and backtrack all the time. While he’s great at mouthing populist punchlines in front of the cameras he’s really a centrist at heart and is trying to give both sides a little something thinking that it’s a stroke of political genius, or 4D chess or something. But when you try to please everyone you please no one.

    It’s also what many call a mushy moderate which is what we thought we rejected in 2016.

    The U.S. also has no authority to arbitrarily appropriate Syrian oil assets. It’s obvious that Trump wants to place extreme economic pressure on the Assad government to please his Israeli masters.

    Trump could be dangerous in a second term since he doesn’t have to worry about re-election and I predict his administration will manufacture a casus belli for airstrikes against Iran and possibly Syria.

    • Replies: @AryanZ
    , @follyofwar
  2. Lindsey Graham speaks for the Republican establishment.
    ————————————————————————————
    No Pat, he’s just the leader of the Republican section of the War Party now that NoName is ‘dead’ (funny thing his daughter said about not being able to kill him twice eh Pat?).

    Now we find out the real outrage isn’t leaving Syria so much as disrupting the DeepState’s Meth Pary! You heard it. Syria was ordering hugh amounts of pseudoephedrine from Chemical suppliers (this stuff is tracked ya know) and then it would just, poof!, disappear. Wow!
    It’s not like CIA has a track record of this right (IndoChina heroin, Afghanistan heroin, selling crack into L.A. to start the Crack epidemic)?
    How is Big Jew Media gonna handle this eh Pat? Do you think all you guys will play monkey and pretend it doesn’t exist?
    Tell us all about it Mr. ‘Conservative’. LIke you ever conserved anything except your sorry excuse for a hide eh Buchanan.
    Lying presstitute.

    • LOL: Svevlad
    • Troll: bluedog
    • Replies: @anon
  3. Paw says:

    ..”this long blood stained sand”…, Made in USA. As usual.

  4. SafeNow says:

    The strongest or only U.S. interest in the region is trying to ensure that Pakistan nukes are not stolen or sold. The nukes’ PAL electronic safeguard shutoff is merely rudimentary. They are well guarded, but in a crisis might be moved to the field. A stolen or sold nuke could be sailed into a U.S. harbor. Seriousness of a risk is a multiplicative function of chance of happening and magnitude of the harm if it should occur. The above Pakistan nuke worry will likely apply to other Mideast countries.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  5. Sounds like good news.

    US invades, and Russia invites the right kind of people.

    http://en.protothema.gr/russia-welcomes-15000-white-farmers-from-south-africa-video/

  6. Biff says:

    According to polls, Iran is first among the nations that Americans regard as an enemy. Still, there is no stomach for war with Iran.

    Not a problem – Israel is going to war with Iran – win or lose – and it is going to fight Iran right down to the last American.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    , @Gyre07
  7. swamped says:

    “In Middle America, anti-interventionism has carried the day. As Trump says, no declaration at his rallies is more wildly welcomed than his pledge to end our Middle East wars and bring the troops home”…never thought that glorious day would come but it’s long overdue & no turning back. Amen.
    Another great article by the dean of American grassroots conservatism, unincorporated. It puts it all in focus.

  8. AryanZ says:
    @KenH

    I agree that Trump will be extremely dangerous in a second term not only for his foreign policy but his domestic one as well. He appears to be onboard with demonizing White’s, gun grabbing, and ultimately instead of “building the wall” he’s overseen the largest influx of migrants into this country in a decade.

    Trumps no centrist, he’s a flat out globalist who SAYS one thing and DOES the complete opposite. His followers are the ones who WANT to continue to pretend that all’s well while the nation burns around them. “Trust the Plan”

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Wally
  9. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Notice the conflation of the people and their rulers with pronoun propaganda (“we, us, our”).

    Notice the use of Pearl Harbor to pre-justify whatever is used to gull people into accepting the next big war.

    Notice the fantasy that “we” can, should, and would destroy whatever unExceptional dictator-autocrat-monsters may be out there, but for a lack of unity:

    “Today, because both sides of our foreign policy quarrel have powerful constituencies, we have paralysis anew, reflected in policy. [Etc.].”

    This jingo also softens up the sheeple into acceptance of whatever war comes to pass after “we” have “our” next Most Important Election Ever.

    Mr. Paleoconservative has become Stagehand Right in the puppet show.

  10. Here are some interesting recent comments from Russia’s Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu regarding Russia’s military, America’s spending on its military and the world’s last war:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/10/sergei-shoigu-russias-next-president.html

    While Washington loves to point the finger at Russia for its alleged interference in the affairs of both Georgia and the Ukraine, Russia’s Minster of Defense notes that the massive military budget of the United States is used to fuel disastrous conflicts around the world, all in the name of “bringing democracy” to nations like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya where the United States has spearheaded nation rebuilding exercises.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  11. “According to polls, Iran is first among the nations that Americans regard as an enemy.”

    Of course. Iran, a nation which hasn’t done anything to America since the 1970’s is the enemy. Not Mexico which floods America with drugs and human refuse on a daily basis or Israel which treats America as its own personal bodyguard in the region.

    Americans deserve what’s coming to them.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @El Dato
  12. dohdoh says:

    Patrick, now why would any “American” not see see Iran as an enemy and not want to go to war with that nation?

    Who could possibly be going to (and has gone to) such great lengths to engineer an economic and hot war between America and Iran?

    Beats me – wait, the DAR? No, how about the Rotarians? Uh – the Shriners?

    Maybe we should ask the President or Jared Kushner or Greenblatt or Mnuchin or Bernie Marcus or Sheldon Adelson or Paul Singer…….

    Yawn – dreary same old, same old.

  13. But in this imperial capital, the voice of the interventionist yet prevails. The media, the foreign policy elite, the think tanks, the ethnic lobbies, the Pentagon, the State Department, Capitol Hill, are almost all interventionist, opposed to Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds. Rand Paul may echo Middle America, but Lindsey Graham speaks for the Republican establishment.

    Just like the swarthy candidate from Hawaii, and others, Pat Buchanan prefers to call a spade a big spoon.

    • Replies: @Wally
  14. @SafeNow

    I haven’t read Steve Coll’s book Directorate S: The C.I.A. and America’s Secret Wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan but he claims Indian intelligence believe Al Queda tried to hijack the Pakistani frigate PNS Zulfiquar in 2014 because it had a nuclear warhead.

  15. By that logic and vocabulary, I assume that “ethnic lobbies” refer to a great city as “spoo’ York” ?

  16. Realist says:
    @AryanZ

    I agree that Trump will be extremely dangerous in a second term not only for his foreign policy but his domestic one as well. He appears to be onboard with demonizing White’s, gun grabbing, and ultimately instead of “building the wall” he’s overseen the largest influx of migrants into this country in a decade.

    Yes, Trump is a Deep Stater. He is playing good cop/bad cop….a charade. And it looks like most people fall for it. Dumbass America.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  17. TGD says:

    Pat continues to find excuses for Trump’s spur of the moment abandonment of the Kurds right after he spoke on the phone with the Caliph of Turkey, Erdogan. The Kurds, according to Pat, are really tools of the US deep state.

    I’d like to know what they talked about. Did Erdogan threaten Trump’s real estate holdings in Istanbul? Maybe Erdogan offered to split the revenues from rehabilitated and US patrolled Syrian oil fields?

    His own “bottom line” is what drives our dopey president.

    • LOL: follyofwar
  18. @Biff

    Americans need to wake up and recognize that it’s been their best “friend” in the Middle East that’s been sucking them of untold wealth for the last 70 years.

    But, then, no one ever said being Israel’s bitch was going to come cheap.

  19. Now, we know how Palestinians feel. To live under Occupation.

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-sound-of-shoes-dropping-in-the-night/

    • Replies: @nsa
  20. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    ” Big Jew Media gonna handle this eh Pat? Do you think all you guys will play monkey and pretend it doesn’t exist?”

    Zionist media and Zionist scholars like from Bernard Lewis to Kristol-Kagan will provide teh dory details of the US atrocities against Arab against Mulsims when the country ( US UK France ) is down and is panting for fresh air juts to survive.

    I can bet you that the shitheads Muslims will fall for that without understanding why the history lesson is being offered to them .

  21. @anonymous

    My name is Pat Buchanan. My pronouns are we, us, our.

    See how it works? What are your pronouns?

  22. Wally says:
    @AryanZ

    Trump’s better than the current wannabe alternatives any day.

    Trump’s Immigration Reform Saves $1 Trillion by 2027
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/14/donald-trumps-merit-immigration-reform-saves-1-trillion-2027-says-study/
    NASA Data Proves Trump Right to Exit Paris Climate Accord
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/nasa-data-proves-trump-right-to-exit-paris-climate-accord.html
    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/
    Trump Declares “National Day for the Victims of Communism.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/11/07/national-day-victims-communism
    Trump Declares “National Day for the Victims of Communism, Liars of the scamming “Holocau$t Industry” go crazy:
    https://www.salon.com/2017/11/07/trumps-national-day-for-the-victims-of-communism-is-opposite-of-holocaust-statement/

  23. @TGD

    You must be really unhappy the CIa IS being Cut Off from it’s Meth Lab in Syria.
    What’s next? Will Trump gut their heroin Scam in Afghanistan?
    Why should America Fund Intelligence Agencies that are a cover for Organized Crime?

    The Kurds, The KUrds.
    Bite me buddy.

  24. nsa says:
    @Priss Factor

    Your guy, kunstler, is about as vile a self-serving jew as ever existed. …..the creep is published for being a fellow jew and no other reason. Try reading one of his puerile novels or his opportunistic peak oil hysteria. The jew always advances members of his own cock-cutting tribe to the detriment of people with actual talent and ability.

  25. “the reasons Osama bin Laden launched 9/11.”
    C’mon Paddy, give it a rest.

    • Replies: @Fool's Paradise
  26. Miro23 says:
    @Sally Snyder

    While Washington loves to point the finger at Russia for its alleged interference in the affairs of both Georgia and the Ukraine, Russia’s Minster of Defense notes that the massive military budget of the United States is used to fuel disastrous conflicts around the world, all in the name of “bringing democracy” to nations like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya where the United States has spearheaded nation rebuilding exercises.

    A good link. Like Shoigu says, much of it is wasted, “American expenditures on the same operation in Afghanistan alone are almost equal to our annual defense budget.”

    And that’s not counting all hyper expensive carrier groups.

    Hopefully WW3 is prevented by the financial suicide of the US.

  27. Trumpenstein says he’ll keep the oil,
    While stalemate sets the world to boil.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  28. HEREDOT says:

    The treacherous trump once again deceived said the Syrian oil will be protected. Trump, you’re an asshole.

  29. While CIA eviscerates Assange,
    State dark arts work democracy’s derange.

  30. @SeekerofthePresence

    Your mission, Orange Wonder… to preserve the status quo…

  31. “In 1940-41, the anti-interventionists of “America First” succeeded in keeping us out of the world war (after Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland in September of 1939 and Britain and France went to war). Pearl Harbor united the nation, but not until Dec. 7, 1941, two years later – when America First folded its tents and enlisted.”
    ____________________

    This is not true. More than 90% who served were drafted. The US Army began mobilizing for war in 1938 as our military increased in size and budget five fold before Pearl Harbor.

    HIGHLIGHTS OF MOBILIZATION, WORLD WAR II, 1938-1942; Office of the Chief of Military History; Department of the Army; Dr. Stetson Conn; 10 March 1959;
    https://history.army.mil/documents/WWII/ww2mob.htm

    President Roosevelt already planned for intervention and even sent American Marines and Navy aircraft to Iceland five months before Pearl Harbor to help hunt German submarines.

  32. @Bill Jones

    Yes, Pat, how can you remain so ignorant? Even the Village Idiot now knows that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11.

  33. anonymous1963 [AKA "anon19"] says:

    “Global policing obligations”.

    No such obligations exist.

  34. anonymous1963 [AKA "anon19"] says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Japan was manipulated into attacking at Pearl Harbor. The attack occured after ten years of hostile policies and relations from Washington. War could have been prevented easily. As for Germany it was already facing disaster in the USSR by Dec 1941. As an aside German casualties on the east front were 4,500,000 by the time of D-Day when America “saved” Europe. American interests would have been much better served by neutrality.

    A really great book arguing against US involvement in WW2 is NO CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

  35. Crazy Horse [AKA "Gall"] says:

    US presence in KSA had nothing to with 9/11. Also there is no evidence that UBL was involved in the attack. Ask the FBI.

    As far as the ME is concerned we are only there because of the parasitical Neo-cons, the Zionists both Christian and Jewish and Israel.

  36. El Dato says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    “According to polls, Iran is first among the nations that AIPAC regard as an enemy.”

  37. El Dato says:

    [Global Warming comments should be confined to Global Warming threads.]

  38. but it was the “infidel” troops’ presence on sacred Saudi soil that was among the reasons Osama bin Laden launched 9/11.

    Pat is doing comedy now? Hilarious!

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  39. @KenH

    In an article currently available on Information Clearing House, Moon of Alabama writes that “When US Officials Ignore the President the Outcome is Chaos.” The thesis is that Trump has few underlings whom he can trust. They seek to undermine his foreign policy at every turn instead of carrying it out. Their subterfuge has made his long wished for pullout of US troops from Syria appear chaotic, and has helped to foment the idea that Trump is an irrational, psychotic leader. Indeed, their disloyalty has given additional fodder for the democrat impeachment mob.

    When Trump was elected, PCR wrote that his biggest problem would be in staffing his Admin, since everyone with experience inside the Beltway was singing from the same neoconservative/neoliberal hymnal. Thus we have seen a long list of deep state operatives who vowed to take Trump out even before he assumed office. All who read here know their names.

    My conclusion: Trump could have been a great president, but his powerful enemies, starting with Obama/HRC, would never allow him to succeed. To paraphrase Charles Schumer – it’s foolish to take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.

    • Replies: @KenH
  40. anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    You sound like a victim of cyclical spousal abuse. Dump him and move on.

  41. @Realist

    Given as how the Deep State intelligence community, orchestrated by Obama/HRC, has been trying to take Trump down since before he even assumed office, anyone who thinks that he is some kind of deep state operative is living in fantasy land. At every turn, Trump has attempted to defy the deep state. But he is one highly fallible man, hardly a dictator. If Trump WAS a deep stater why would 90% of the media be against him, and would he be facing impeachment on fabricated charges today?

    • Replies: @Realist
  42. The dog is being wagged by its tail by Israel.
    The Zionists compute the cost to USA as immaterial but the cost to Israel has to be the minimum.
    This policy will see the Zio state lose inspite of having and using nukes and American support.
    For all who support war with Iran should think about the consequences.
    World economy will go in tailspin, the sheikdoms will cease to exist and it could bring on a nuclear winter.
    This is not the way to go.

  43. @anonymous

    To get Japan to attack USA, the Americans starved Japan of oil. This isn’t the same. The world will see oil go to 250 a barrel. This is the only reason Iran hasn’t been attacked yet.

  44. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    Trump down since before he even assumed office, anyone who thinks that he is some kind of deep state operative is living in fantasy land. At every turn, Trump has attempted to defy the deep state.

    If Trump WAS a deep stater why would 90% of the media be against him, and would he be facing impeachment on fabricated charges today?

    You’re the one living in a fantasy land. If Trump is fighting the Deep State so hard…how come he hires Deep State denizens? Evidently you didn’t read my comment. You seem to be easily fooled, it’s a charade…a kabuki theater. Trump has accomplished nothing of value for 90% of Americans.

  45. Wally says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    Buchanan said:

    “but it was the “infidel” troops’ presence on sacred Saudi soil that was among the reasons Osama bin Laden launched 9/11.”

    Seriously?

    https://www.ae911truth.org/

  46. Until the neoliberals turned America into a Global economy for the Rich with unlimited military support from our neocons, Americans were always against war (even in WWII the Draft was the major supplier of cannon fodder, where voluntary enlistment was to avoid the Army dirt fighting.) With Nixon’s “brilliant” abolition of the Draft at the end of Vietnam, military service was siloed to an economic draft, helped along by the destruction of our manufacturing economy to a service “Fries with that?” economy and on to the present debt peonage economy (until recently practiced only outside the US).
    None of the politicians cited are “non-interventionalists”, as their votes on military funding show. Biden is in a different league, a poster child for the neolibs and neocons, almost singlehandedly destroying Latin America (and keeping the exploitable illegal alien caravans rolling), ruining the Ukraine (but not quite provoking Russia into WWIII), and generally acting in the shadow of the blood- soaked chortling hyena in all other (many) US military adventure hotspots.

  47. Realist says:

    Trump has just reiterated that he is keeping the Syrian oil.

  48. KenH says:
    @follyofwar

    “When US Officials Ignore the President the Outcome is Chaos.” The thesis is that Trump has few underlings whom he can trust

    But that begs the question that if Trump’s wishes aren’t being carried out by subordinates then why does he tolerate it instead of firing the offenders and replacing them with like minded people and American firsters? Tucker Carlson said early on in his presidency that he didn’t think Trump was as tough as his coarse exterior suggested and I think he’s been proven correct.

    But I also think Trump is his own worst enemy since he hired people he didn’t have to like Reince Priebus and John Bolton while firing people that were loyal to him and his agenda like Mike Flynn and Steve Bannon (at least more so than most others) when the (((media))) demanded it. And on top of that he hired more Goldman Sachs alums than the previous two administrations combined and allowed the snake and never Trumper Paul Ryan to dictate legislative priorities the first two years of his administration which is why we didn’t get a wall.

    Trump is supposed to be smartest guy in the room and a 4d chess master but has been out maneuvered too many times to count on a range of issues, so it’s hard to feel sorry for him.

  49. Gyre07 says:
    @Biff

    You’re nuts. The Israelis entire shtick has been to get the US to fight it’s wars for it, when we’re not paying them bloodmoney to keep them from starting WWIII. Like any smart parasite the Israelis are masters of this process and have all the double-agents (politicians AND lobbyists) they need in Washington. However, as Pat pointed out, there’s a strong anti-Regime Change Wars contingent in the US which is sufficient to prevent any substantial re-engagement in the middle-east and all the politicians know it. In the end, the Israelis will NOT engage a well-armed (conventional weapons) Iran because despite the Lindsey Grahams, Clinton’s, Chuck Schumers and AIPAC, the American people are dead-set against it, and we’re spread too thin elsewhere to actually win (by any plausible metric). No politicians here are willing to risk losing their political support in exchange for fulfilling Israel’s blood-drenched wet-dream of killing Iran.

  50. @Carlton Meyer

    And Roosevelt had the US Navy attacking U-boats long before Pearl Harbor.

  51. Pat Buchanan repeatly claims that middle America is against our interminable wars and voted for Trump in part because he promised to end them. I wish I could believe that, but it seems to me that “flyover people” are suckers for old-fashioned jingoism. After all, they are the ones who fight the dumb wars and they keep on volunteering. Serving in the military is one of the few options open to mid-American blue-collars to achieve a measure of respect. It is very hard to picture a typical coal miner saying “It’s time to make peace with those Muslims and go home.” Instead one expects them to rally instantly to the usual talk about heroism, sacrifice, patriotism, opposing evil terrorists, etc.

    Does anyone have any expert knowledge e.g. polling data that would suggest PJB is right that Trump voters oppose endless mideast war?

  52. ” the neocons and liberal interventionists”

    I’ve always viewed neocons as liberal interventionists. When they oozed into the GOP, they brought with them their liberal ideals and moved the GOP further left. They seem to jump like fleas from one party to the next according to which holds sway.

  53. @NoseytheDuke

    Just don’t point that out on a Giraldi thread. Phil just loves him some Pat.

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