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As 1991 turned into 1992, America appeared to have arrived at the apogee of its national power and world prestige.

President George H.W. Bush had just sent an army of half a million men to expel, in a 100-hour campaign, Saddam Hussein’s invading army from Kuwait. The world, including Russia, China and Iran, had supported U.S.-led military action to overturn Iraq’s aggression.

Our Cold War adversary, the Soviet Union, had just collapsed and disintegrated into 15 nations. The Warsaw Pact had dissolved. All of Eastern Europe was free. We were the sole surviving superpower.

In the reviewing stand on Constitution Avenue for the victory parade of the troops of Desert Storm, the thought occurred: This is what it must have been like when the generals returned in triumph to Rome to take the cheers of the crowds.

But, instead of making America again “a normal country in a normal time,” as Jeane Kirkpatrick had urged, we set out on our path to empire.

There was much hubristic talk in those days of a “unipolar moment” in which we would establish a “benevolent global hegemony” and create a New World Order under U.S. dominance and tutelage.

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright explained: “If we have to use force, it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

Three decades after those heady days, how has it gone for us?

Today, the world’s other great powers, Russia and China, are united against us in a “relationship” that, the autocrat Xi Jinping says, “in its closeness and effectiveness … even exceeds an alliance.”

Russia is issuing virtual ultimata against any further advance of NATO into Ukraine or Georgia. Beijing, after digesting Hong Kong, is indicating that the time draws near for its annexation of Taiwan.

How did we get here?

At age 90, Mikhail Gorbachev, who gave up power in December 1991, identifies a primary cause: “The triumphal mood in the West, especially in the U.S. Arrogance and self-confidence went to their heads.”

Indeed. Back in February of 1997, George Kennan, the architect of Cold War containment of Joseph Stalin’s USSR, implored America not to seize its triumphal moment and move NATO into Eastern Europe:

“Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.”

“Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”

So said Kennan. And so it came to pass, as Russia has placed 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine and told us that any further expansion of NATO into its border states, or the installation of weapons there that can threaten Russia, would be intolerable — and resisted.

ORDER IT NOW

Because we admitted into an alliance to contain Russia all of its former Warsaw Pact allies and three former Soviet republics, we are now close to sword’s point with a Russia that our own actions have driven into an entente with the greatest rival the U.S. has ever known: China.

And who built up China, with four times our population, into the first world power with a capacity to challenge America across all fronts — strategic, military, diplomatic and economic?

Capitalist America did.

Clinton Democrats and Bush Republicans, reveling in the riches global trade would realize for our prosperity, threw open America’s markets to production from anywhere and everywhere on earth.

U.S. corporations swiftly began to transfer production out of the United States to where it could be done cheapest — the People’s Republic of China. From 1991 on, China surged and eventually swept past the U.S. as the first manufacturing power on earth.

A self-sufficient America that provided for all its needs in World Wars I and II is now dependent on foreign nations for the necessities of its national life.

Meanwhile, a mighty China is rolling up islands, rocks and reefs in the South and East China seas and warning the United States against any effort to prevent the reunion of Taiwan and the motherland.

These, then, are three of the historic blunders that have forfeited for us the unique position America held at the close of the Cold War.

First, alienating Russia by treating it as an incorrigible and permanent enemy by pushing our alliance onto its front porch.

Second, pursuing a globalist trade policy that China exploited to become an economic and military rival of the United States.

Third, America’s plunge into the Middle East, with our forever wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and then Syria, Libya and Yemen.

They availed us nothing and led only to death and destruction.

Of the passing of that preeminence we had in 1991, let it be said: We did it to ourselves.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. gT says:

    Ja well, the West built up China in the hope that China would take out Russia, something the West under Napoleon and Hitler couldn’t succeed in. Now China is not quite fulfilling its part of the deal and West is stuck in an ever downward spiraling limbo.

    What is interesting though is that Russia is so stuck in its inferiority complex towards the West that it thinks that it needs China’s assistance in dealing with the West.

    While it will be nice not to be stuck under Western hegemony and facing either rapacious financial dealings or bombardment or both at any time, there is a strong possibility of a Chinese hegemony emerging which will be worse that Western hegemony. Never any peace on this planet.

  2. There were two revolutions.

    One has been much discussed. The other, far more important, hardly discussed.

    1. Collapse of Communism and the Soviet Union.

    2. Collapse of Wasp and White Christian America and the rise of Jewish Power and its homo allies.

    Collapse of Wasp and Rise of Jews in the lone superpower is one of the most important events in history but it happened silently because the American System remained intact, at least outwardly. But within the halls of power, Jews totally took over and changed everything.
    Proof? Where is Jonathan Pollard? He’s in Israel giving the US a fat middle finger. Yet, no one said anything about Obama’s pardon, Trump’s permission of travel to Israel, and Netanyahu’s welcoming the lowlife traitor as a hero of Israel.

    In a way, the Soviet system was preferable to the US system. Even though Stalin was mass killer and moved entire population around, the Soviet empire was still divided along ethnic lines. So, when the empire finally collapsed, Lithuanians could have Lithuanian, Estonians could have Estonia, Kazaks could have Kazakhstan, Georgians could have Georgia, and etc.
    But because dynamic Americanism mixed the populations so far and wide, it’s difficult to imagine a breakup. Even states like Wisconsin and Minnesota that were once heavily German or Scandinavian fell for the diversity cult and took in tons of morons from places like Somalia. Georgia and Virginia are now teeming with Mexicans and Asians.

    Whites are really screwed.

    It’s even worse because of iconic changes. Everything revolves around the top icon. It’s like the planets revolve around the sun. So, what is at the center decides what is subordinate to what. In the solar system, planets are subordinate to the gravity and power of the Sun.

    When the top icons of US were white, such as Abraham Lincoln, whites were the sun. So, even though Lincoln presided over the war where whites fought whites, his central place meant that whites had the pride of freeing slaves, and that blacks must feel gratitude and appreciation for the good side of white power.

    In other words, even though Lincolnism implies white contrition about certain aspects of US history — slavery was bad — , it also suggests whites were ultimately decent and solved their own problems and made for a better world. Thus, blacks too must recognize this aspect of whiteness and white history, i.e. black gains came as the result of revolving around whiteness.

    But when MLK(and now George Floyd) are made the top icons, they are the suns around which all of whiteness and whiteness must revolve. So, all of whiteness turns into a theatrical display of endless apologies and self-flagellation for not having glorified the Noble Negro from the first contact between whitey and blacky. But blacks are really the most destructive and insane race.

    But then, Negroes took over as the sun because stupid whites allowed Jews to take over media and the powerful institutions. Jews as the new ruling elites of the US needed white goyim to submit to their will, and what better way than to bait white guilt over blackness? Jews know people feel special guilt for the awesomeness, not wimpiness. Audiences felt sorry for King Kong. People would be upset over a story of some hunter killing a big gorilla. But who’d care about someone killing a jackal? Sports-loving whites worship Negroes as the King Kong race, and Jews know how to play white guilt over death of Kong.

    So, even though MLK(and Floyd) are allowed to serve as the iconic sun of America, the real dark matter of power in the US is Jewish.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  3. Petermx says:

    “U.S. corporations swiftly began to transfer production out of the United States to where it could be done cheapest — the People’s Republic of China. From 1991 on, China surged and eventually swept past the U.S. as the first manufacturing power on earth.”

    I still recall a statement by a college instructor made between 1975 and 1977. The US would become a leader in information technology. That is where most of the work would be. I had no idea what he was talking about. Eight or nine years later I landed a job as a computer programmer. The US still had huge manufacturing facilities in the 1970’s, steel plants, auto manufacturing etc., but there was competition from Japan and Germany.

    I think there was also often talk of improving the standard of living of poorer countries. I think it was this “high minded” talk that let leaders and industrialists abandon the interests of their own countries and the few people that spoke out against NAFTA and other agreements where manufacturing would be moved from the US to a foreign country were drowned out by the liberal media supporting it and people like Pat Buchanan lost the argument. Europe made the same mistake but maybe had less to lose. They lost so much during the war and their industries never regained their former former standing in the world. I suspect the people that so forcefully argued for NAFTA and other open trade agreements have their own reasons for their point of view and it might have little to do with raising the standard of living in Mexico or China.

  4. @Priss Factor

    The trick is how to effectively communicate these warnings to Joe and Jane Onlyoneracehumanrace.

    By comparison the 12 Tasks of Hercules were picking up dry cleaning.

  5. Pat got it half right, Priss. So Pat tells us capitalists did this. But as always he leaves out the important half. JEWISH capitalists did this and SO much more..

  6. @gT

    What is interesting though is that Russia is so stuck in its inferiority complex towards the West that it thinks that it needs China’s assistance in dealing with the West.

    When you are faced with an implacable enemy like America, as Russia is, you take support wherever you can find it. This has happened throughout history, No “inferiority complex” required.
    It is noticeable that there has been no formal treaty between the two….yet.

  7. bob sykes says:

    Pat missed the main point. With no counterforce, the US is revealed to be an aggressive, rogue, terrorist state. With only a few exceptions, every war begun after the fall of the USSR was initiated by the US. And in virtually every case, we attacked a country that had not attacked us or any of our allies: Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Yemen. These illegitimate wars have killed almost 1 million civilian noncombatants, and wrecked whole national economies.

    Every president, beginning at least with Clinton down to Biden, their Secretaries of State and Defense, all our flag officers are war criminals, in the same sense that Hitler and Tojo were war criminals.

    The great irony, the unsuspected fruit of these wars has been one defeat after another, no victories, not even Iraq. And these wars were fought against poorly trained, poorly armed Muslims, who should have been crushed. But as Napoleon noted “In war, three-quarters turns on personal character and relations; the balance of manpower and materials counts only for the remaining quarter.”

    In the end, we lost thousands of American lives, crippled tens of thousands of young servicemen, and wasted as much as \$7 trillion. We also lost nearly all our technological advantages and our industrial base, and we now trail Russia and China in several areas, especially missiles, 5G/AI, and radars.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Rurik
  8. Corvinus says:

    “Clinton Democrats and Bush Republicans, reveling in the riches global trade would realize for our prosperity, threw open America’s markets to production from anywhere and everywhere on earth. U.S. corporations swiftly began to transfer production out of the United States to where it could be done cheapest — the People’s Republic of China. From 1991 on, China surged and eventually swept past the U.S. as the first manufacturing power on earth.”

    No, Mr. Buchanan. Recall how General Electric’s then CEO, Jack Welch maintained that corporations owe their primary allegiance to stockholders, not employees, in the late 1970’s. Most likely inspired by these “words of wisdom”, the Reagan Administration in the 1980’s instituted laissez-faire economics. This ideology ultimately led to the financialization of the American corporation, i.e. putting shareholders first at the expense of employees and consumers — and its emergence as an actor that takes resources from the economy rather than creating them. Combined with federal policies that lowered corporate taxes during this decade, American companies consistently neglected to invest in America to ensure a strong economy across social classes.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  9. Malla says:
    @bob sykes

    Hitler and Tojo were war criminals.

    Hitler and Tojo were war criminals???

  10. Notsofast says:

    “if we have to use force, it is because we are america…” makes absolutely no sense, logically, grammatically, or philosophically. it sounds like something george w. bush would say. this is the equivalent of saying “we are dumb as a sack of hammers and everything is a nail to us.” there is a special place in hell for this neocon whore and i can’t wait until she receives her eternal reward. ding ding the witch is dead…..

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  11. The root of all evils is breaking the main rule-don’t do unto others what you don’t want others do unto you. This is, in the nutshell, also the essence of all religions. How would the US like their adversaries’ tanks and missiles at her borders, the murderous drones in its skies? At the end, it all boils to the simple point: with 4% of the world population and producing 16% of the world’s GDP, the US consumes 40% of the world’s products. There was a time when the US consumption matched the contribution to the world’s wealth. Those times are long gone, the only products we import now are death, destruction, and inflation. But karma is a bitch. Get prepared-you reap what you sow.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  12. The unfortunate fact is that elite Jews are the key ingredient in a recipe for disaster.

    Military confrontations against Russia and Middle Eastern countries (obvious Jewish historical feuds), a financialized economy through the Fed that benefits only New York, DC and the left coast (in the short term), whilst offshoring our industrial base, these are indeed the fruits of the last thirty years.

    It stems from having a primarily Jewish elite that doesn’t care about (at best) or even reviles (at worst) the American people.

    You are just one subject of an empire that spans the globe, not a citizen of a self governing Republic.

  13. Where does US stand at dawn of 2022? The historical parallels to the former Soviet Union cannot be ignored. USA is a rotting giant much like the USSR was thirty years ago; it has just left Ahghanistan in defeat like former USSR; it is much more wealthy and powerful than Soviet Union was; so its collapse will take longer; it is no longer even worlds biggest economy; and like the USSR it devotes too much funds to its military; it is essentially bankrupt like USSR was thirty years ago; though it spends 750 billion on ‘defense”’ some of its soldiers have ”food insecurity” and it cannot win wars against lowly insurgents while Russia which spends a fraction has a military that in some respects is qualitatively superior; it has a divided population who are tired of war and the great fear of US Government is that population may demand it come home cut down of military spending and cure its many domestic problems; its NATO expansion east has been stopped by a resurgent Russia that has drawn a line and said; ”no more!” Arrogance and hubris caused it to expand NATO to Russia’s borders after the Cold War. In 2022 US is bankrupt; with still potent military defenestrated by political correctness diversity training and ”wokeness; with a population that is tired of war. Ukraine and Georgia have been told maybe one day they will be admitted to NATO but not anytime soon. US may not suffer Soviet Union’s fate but its halycon days are over.

    • Agree: Harry Huntington
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @rgl
  14. Rurik says:
    @bob sykes

    Every president, beginning at least with Clinton down to Biden, their Secretaries of State and Defense, all our flag officers are war criminals, in the same sense that Hitler and Tojo were war criminals.

    That’s not fair to Hitler, who was forced to fight a defensive war against the genocidal Soviet/Bolshevik fiend, who had just recently genocided millions of the ‘best of the Gentiles’ in Ukraine, because they were the best of the Ukrainian genetic stock.

    The nature of the Soviet fiend was laid bare when Stalin refused to go home from the lands and nations his Red Army rapists had overrun. But rather stayed and enslaved them all.

    So Hitler was proved right all along about the nature of the Soviets, and the imperative that he fight them – as we all should have, which was what Gen. Patton advised, and also why they killed him too.

    By contrast, America hasn’t been fighting any kind of defensive wars, but rather is and has been engaged in serial war crimes and aggressive wars all on behalf of its most dire and committed enemy.

    White men, hated and despised at home, are sent abroad to kill innocent people and/or die for ZOG. The same ZOG that demands their genetic replacment in thier homeland(s).

    Hitler and the National Socialists had their faults, but they never demanded that Germans die on behalf of ((those who)) demanded the genocide of Germany.

    White Americans are expected to die on behalf of the people who hate them the most, and are doing all in their power to genocide them off the earth.

    It’s hard to imagine a more humiliating and depraved state of affairs.

  15. “If we have to use force, it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

    This is quite possibly the most disgustingly narcissistic comment I’ve ever read.

    • Agree: Stones
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  16. @Max Maxwell

    US may not suffer Soviet Union’s fate but its halycon days are over.

    You’re far too optimistic. America will face conflict, war and partition, just as the USSR was partitioned. But America’s fate will be much more severe. Having imported 100m immigrants since 1970, the number of idle hands and superfluous bodies will be that much greater.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    , @MEexpert
  17. Corvinus says:
    @Bing Bong Trump

    “It stems from having a primarily Jewish elite that doesn’t care about (at best) or even reviles (at worst) the American people.”

    Hat Tip –> Athenian Gentleman

    No one perceives reality raw, just how it is. We all have multiple layers of biases (mostly subconscious) through which our perceptions of reality are filtered. The more committed to and invested in any given point-of-view, position, way of thinking, or way of life that one becomes, the less he is able to accept, or even see, anything that would undermine it. And certainly, the greatest blindspot for every man is in his perception of himself. Our perception of ourselves inevitably differs considerably both from how others perceive us, as well as from how we objectively are…[When it comes to Jews, they] are not monolithic and there is no consensus even on what constitutes “Jewish interests”, much less what advances them…If [a Jew] has a “tribe”, it would be his socio-economic and political class. And that includes plenty who are not Jews, while excluding plenty who are. Viewing the world through a cartoon-level simplistic “Jews vs. Goyim” lens is silly…Granted, Judaism should not be conflated with Zionism*, nor Jews with Zionists**. Nonetheless, there is obviously extensive overlap between all of the aforementioned entities, and there would appear to be a fairly high positive correlation between favorable views toward any one of them to favorable views toward the others.

    *In fact, many Jews, not least of whom many prominent rabbis, maintain that Zionism is actually antithetical to Judaism.

    **Zionists include many who are not Jews, and exclude many who are (including some of the most devout Orthodox Jews).

    • Replies: @Exile
  18. Corvinus says:
    @Rurik

    That’s not fair to Hitler, who was forced to fight a defensive war against the genocidal Soviet/Bolshevik fiend, who had just recently genocided millions of the ‘best of the Gentiles’ in Ukraine, because they were the best of the Ukrainian genetic stock”

    Hitler went on the offensive when he chose to break the Nazi-Soviet Pact.

    “The nature of the Soviet fiend was laid bare when Stalin refused to go home from the lands and nations his Red Army rapists had overrun. But rather stayed and enslaved them all.”

    That’s what Hitler did as well.

    “So Hitler was proved right all “”along about the nature of the Soviets”

    As was the Soviets regarding the nature of Hitler.

    By contrast, America hasn’t been fighting any kind of defensive wars, but rather is and has been engaged in serial war crimes and aggressive wars all on behalf of its most dire and committed enemy.”

    There is a legitimate point here. I guess even a blind squirrel like yourself can find a nut.

    “White men, hated and despised at home, are sent abroad to kill innocent people and/or die for ZOG. The same ZOG that demands their genetic replacment in thier homeland(s).”

    Except the Americas and Australia were never the homelands of white Europeans.

    “Hitler and the National Socialists had their faults, but they never demanded that Germans die on behalf of ((those who)) demanded the genocide of Germany.”

    A counterfactual.

    • Troll: J1234
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Rurik
    , @J1234
  19. Exile says:
    @Corvinus

    “Jews can’t agree on anything, two Jews, three opinions, right goy? What’s Jewish, anyway?”

    Pure gaslighting.

    There are hundreds of Zionist and Jewish organizations in America who exercise enormous and largely coordinated influence over American affairs to promote Jewish and Israeli interests, as well as individuals such as Adelson, Saban and Soros who do likewise.

    Read Walt & Mearsheimer, Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Phillip Giraldi for examples.

  20. SafeNow says:

    As I have posted before, Philip Roth understood better than anyone the Jewish pattern of thought: An obsession with irresolvable conflict, dissension, and contentiousness. The second thing he understood is what he called “The indigenous American Berserk,” which lies about, just below a thin veneer of civility and rationality, ready to explode.

  21. @Corvinus

    Except the Americas and Australia were never the homelands of white Europeans.

    Certainly true for Australia, but unknown for the Americas. We know next to nothing about early human migrations. If we get right down to it, the Americas were never “homelands” of “native Americans” either, since the official narrative is that they crossed a land bridge from Asia to find a land devoid of humans.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  22. Hacienda says:

    Someone tell Pat he’s no longer the warden of the panopticon. The inmates have freed themselves and are observing him in his cell.

  23. Corvinus says:
    @Exile

    “There are hundreds of Zionist and Jewish organizations in America who exercise enormous and largely coordinated influence over American affairs to promote Jewish and Israeli interests, as well as individuals such as Adelson, Saban and Soros who do likewise.”

    But they do not agree with one another. That’s the point.

    “Read Walt & Mearsheimer, Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Phillip Giraldi for examples.”

    There is an HbD inspired explanation for you and they being duped. We as a species have this impulsive cognition-–the seat of emotion, of sense of self, of phobias, and of herding behavior. The limbic system of the brain has its neurons fire faster and with greater amplitude than in the cerebral cortex, so it literally drowns out rational mindedness. There are a myriad of examples that this snap-decision system is controlling what we think.

    Belief comes first, with our biases are held in the brain immediately above the brainstem, and they are the central control room for everything coming into the brain. Nothing will pass these filters, so it is virtually essentially impossible to “change someone’s mind” via persuasion. A person’s filters have to fall first. Otherwise, they will simply go into shoot the messenger mode when, for example, WaPO and NYT are used as sources. There was an emotional hypostasis to it that TRIGGERED in their brain an endorphin rush of self-righteousness.

    • Troll: anonymouseperson, Stones
    • Replies: @Exile
  24. Corvinus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “We know next to nothing about early human migrations.”

    Of course we do. I don’t know if it’s ignorance or arrogance on your part

    “If we get right down to it, the Americas were never “homelands” of “native Americans” either, since the official narrative is that they crossed a land bridge from Asia to find a land devoid of humans.”

    Not official narrative, but anthropological and geographical evidence that indigenous groups crossed that land bridge and made it their own. Until white invaders came in and seized the land by force. But I suppose might makes right, correct?

  25. Rurik says:
    @Corvinus

    “So Hitler was proved right all “”along about the nature of the Soviets”

    As was the Soviets regarding the nature of Hitler.

    we’ll never really know what would have happened had Germany won that war, because they were defeated, and Eastern Europe was turned over to the tender mercies of the Red Army rapists and generations of communist slavery.

    But perhaps a good example of the National Socialists agenda was Vichy France, where life went on pretty much as usual.

    For an experiment in contrasts, consider Paris under Vichy, vs. Paris today. It’s very likely that had Germany won that war, Paris today would be a glistening city of safe and clean streets, civility and unlimited promise for a glorious future.

    Vs. Paris ruled by Jews

    Except the Americas and Australia were never the homelands of white Europeans.

    For how many generations does a Mexican or Haitian have to live in the ZUS before you’ll say they have a right to be there, eh?

    We all know the answer to that question, Corvy. For a shitlib, if they have more melanin in their skin, they have more right to live in Sweden than a Swede.

    Shitlib “logic”.

    “Hitler and the National Socialists had their faults, but they never demanded that Germans die on behalf of ((those who)) demanded the genocide of Germany.”

    A counterfactual.

    wrong, as usual

    Assorted Jews were openly calling for the extermination and sterilization of the German people.

    The only time German nationals were ever cajoled to fight for such scum, was after Germany lost the war, and were subsequently forced to send lucre and troops to fight in assorted wars for ZOG.

    Germany was never genocidal, until it lost the war, and the German people have been forced to support ethnic cleansing and genocide on behalf of supremacist Jews in Palestine.

    That’s some irony, really.

    It wasn’t until Germany lost, that they became guilty of participating in genocide, on behalf of the very same Jewish supremacists that accused them of something they weren’t doing, until Jewish supremacists forced them to do so.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Thanks: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  26. BluEidDvl says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Agreed. I’m hoping for a USSR or Czechoslovakia type outcome but my gut is telling me it’ll be Yugoslavia X100. America is now barely 60% of White-European stock & falling fast & it it is deeply divided. The other 40% hate us & a great many of them want us dead. We have no common race, language, culture, religion, heritage or history (at least not anymore), these have been traditionally the glue that’ve bonded people’s together. We’re armed to the teeth & have developed a messianic, even apocalyptic world view of our place in history..

    All of this is a recipe for catastrophe..

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  27. Corvinus says:
    @Rurik

    “we’ll never really know what would have happened had Germany won that war, because they were defeated, and Eastern Europe was turned over to the tender mercies of the Red Army rapists and generations of communist slavery.”

    We have a general idea—Europe would have turned over to the tender mercies of Nazi propagandists and rapists and generations of autocratic rule.

    “But perhaps a good example of the National Socialists agenda was Vichy France, where life went on pretty much as usual.”

    Except for those French men and women who opposed the installation of a puppet regime and ended up dead or in prison.

    “For an experiment in contrasts, consider Paris under Vichy, vs. Paris today. It’s very likely that had Germany won that war, Paris today would be a glistening city of safe and clean streets, civility and unlimited promise for a glorious future.”

    Speculation. That’s all you got.

    “For how many generations does a Mexican or Haitian have to live in the ZUS before you’ll say they have a right to be there, eh?”

    The same amount of time that a Pole or Kraut or Italian or Slav had when nativists thought these groups were undesirable.

    “Assorted Jews were openly calling for the extermination and sterilization of the German people.”

    Extremists.

    “The only time German nationals were ever cajoled to fight for such scum, was after Germany lost the war, and were subsequently forced to send lucre and troops to fight in assorted wars for ZOG.”

    So are Jews in your closet or under your bed?

    “Germany was never genocidal, until it lost the war”

    Because it was genocidal. But you seemingly have no problem with the jackbooting of infant Jews.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Petermx
    , @Observator
  28. Rurik says:
    @Corvinus

    “For how many generations does a Mexican or Haitian have to live in the ZUS before you’ll say they have a right to be there, eh?”

    The same amount of time that a Pole or Kraut or Italian or Slav…

    careful Corvy, those are white (racist!) people

    “Germany was never genocidal, until it lost the war”

    Because it was genocidal.

    just the opposite

    they were fighting the ((genocidal scum)) who’d just starved millions to death, because they were white Christians.

    But you seemingly have no problem with the jackbooting of infant Jews.

    why do shitlibs always plumb the depths of depravity when they’re losing thier arguments, eh Corv?

    you have no problem drinking buckets of jizz, do you Corv?

    Or are you going to tell us there’s something wrong with a man like you who drinks jizz?

    Suggesting there’s anything wrong with that would be ‘homo-phobic’, and we all know you would defend the right of a ‘man’ to gulp jizz with your dying, spunk-reeking breath, huh Corv?

    Just don’t burp in public, please. Or fart for that matter.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  29. Exile says:
    @Corvinus

    We need a “full of sh*t” button.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  30. Corvinus says:
    @Rurik

    “careful Corvy, those are white (racist!) people”

    American ntaivists were protecting their own nation from the infiltration of what was deemed inferior European stock. So how did the Irish, Poles, and Italians eventually become Americans? Better question–how about you and your ancestors?

    “why do shitlibs always plumb the depths of depravity when they’re losing thier arguments, eh Corv?”

    LOL, you’re the one who has this fixation on semen, my gay white friend. Trying to score Intersectional Pokemon points with Mr. Sailer?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  31. Corvinus says:
    @Exile

    “We need a “full of sh*t” button.”

    Lord knows you would unequivocally be King Shit to that end. Talk to Mr. Unz about it. You should be pursuing gold boxes, but whatever floats your boat.

  32. Rurik says:
    @Corvinus

    “careful Corvy, those are white (racist!) people”

    American ntaivists were protecting their own nation from the infiltration…

    Is that wrong?

    Are the Palestinians wrong to resent and resist being replaced?

    Were the Amerindians wrong to resent and resist (with violence) being replaced?

    Is it only white people who’re wrong (and racist) for voting against their own replacement, marginalization, and ultimate genocide?

    Should all white people welcome their replacement by non-whites, so that the future of their lands will no longer have the stain of racism upon it?

    I’d say no. But in your case, Corvy, I’d make an exception, and would be more than happy to see a refugee from anywhere on the planet take your place. And I’m pretty sure that your hue lacks some of that melanin that you’re so fond of.

    So in some particular cases, ethnic replacement of some whites by non-whites would be a very good thing indeed.

    See, we agree!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  33. Mr Buchanan never talks about the hidden powers that slither in the background never to be seen or revealed but who wield great strength. Pat just pretends they don’t exist thereby depriving readers of a solid foundation of knowing who holds the aces and face cards. But to be fair this is how it is almost everywhere. The blame for the situation never falls on the real culprits. Didn’t Buchanan’s hero Ronald Reagan get rid of the law that limited the number of media outlets that one could own? He did.
    And how many other laws that have over time disappeared one by one which has allowed the monster to take over the nation and world without firing a shot. Politicians can’t stop the monster . . . just ask JFK.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  34. nsa says:

    “We did it to ourselves”…..”how did we get here”……..”how has it gone for us”……..etc etc
    Anyone else feel like gagging when reading Papist Paddy’s cringey pronoun propaganda?

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  35. @Anon from NC

    How would Americans like it if Serbian warplanes dropped bombs on the USA for 78 days like America did to Serbia in 1999? Most Americans probably don’t even give a thought to this, if they even remember it at all.

  36. Jews saw the downfall of the USSR as their opportunity to seize control of American foreign policy for the benefit of themselves and Israel. This is why America never got a peace dividend and became a ‘normal’ country.

  37. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    Do you still believe the exposed lies about making soap from Jewish fat and lampshades from skin too? Jackbooting infant Jews. Did you see that in a Steven Spielberg film or another Hollywood production?

    But there were many German infants burned alive with their mothers when Jews paid Winston Churchill to make war on Germany and the allies firebombed virtually every city in Germany.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  38. @gT

    A racist, Orientalist, fool like you has NO IDEA what China is like. The Chinese are NOT Westerners’-they value harmony as the highest good, not dominance like the genocidal West. With the Soviet destroyed and fascist vermin returned to the Baltics and Ukraine, the USA could not relax. It is a virulent plague on humanity that MUST go on killing and destroying-that is what it is.

  39. @BluEidDvl

    The breakup will be in some ways be better than expected. Welfare black holes like most of California and NYC will quickly secede or be expelled, taking their 3rd World immigrants and dindus with them. No loss at all.

    But in other ways, it will be much worse. In the remaining parts of America, there will be a White Civil War. The best analogy here is with the Spanish Civil War. On the one hand, you will have normal White Americans, proud of their heritage, many heavily armed civilians. On the other, the Hostile Elite, its lackeys, minions and brainwashed wokerati. The military will be split, as in the Spanish Civil War. But most of the military in Spain at the time supported the Nationalists, not the Republicans. So the majority of the US military, particularly the Reservists and National Guard, will support normal White Americans.

    I am confident that our side will triumph in the end. There are far more normal White Americans than the Wokerati. But the Hostile Elite will be deperate and will try any number of extreme measures. They may even try to use tactical nuclear weapons on us. I hope not, but I expect the struggle to be very bloody.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
  40. @John Q Duped

    Didn’t Buchanan’s hero Ronald Reagan get rid of the law that limited the number of media outlets that one could own? He did

    If you believe that, you really have been duped. Whatever Ronald Reagan may have got wrong, this wasn’t one of them. The law which changed this was The Telecommunications Act of 1996, a William Jefferson Clinton production.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  41. @Verymuchalive

    Thanks for efforts to keep things factual.

    Yet the bigger truth obscured in discussions like this is the enactment of the legislation by a (bicameral!) legislature. See also, “Wilson’s Federal Reserve / World War I,” “Roosevelt’s New Deal / WWII,” “LBJ’s Great Society,” “Nixon’s EPA,” “Reagan’s Tax Cut,” “Cheney’s PATRIOT Act,” ad nauseum.

    The Constitution – as written – still provides the Congress with ultimate authority and responsibility, both increasingly shirked by its invertebrate members who instead stage outraged autopsies (aka hearings) to distance themselves from the Establishment’s scandals.

    All hidden in plain sight.

  42. BluEidDvl says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Absolutely agree. I’ve gone over this scenario a million times in my head about what is happening to this country & every single time that scenario leads to bloodshed. We’ve created a “witches brew” of dystopian dysfunction. A polyglot empire where half the population literally hates the other half. With no common bonds that unite us, we wallow in crass materialism & abject degeneracy & wanton depravity. With the border an open sieve, our industrial base gutted, the educational system a complete joke, our infrastructure collapsing.. the only thing keeping this insane sh\$tshow going is the the fed keeping the money presses rolling. A great many are finally sensing that it’s all about to blow. The dollar nearing collapse.The powers that be know this, expect a false flag incident soon with China/Russia/Iran being blamed.

    Nothing distracts the mindless sheep like a good ‘ole war..

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  43. @Corvinus

    The flaw in the Vichy analogy is that France had invaded German territory over thirty times in the previous two centuries, a mighty global colonial power versus small, disunited city-states, duchies, and principalities. The modern German nationalist movement began in 1813 in reaction to Bonaparte’s murderous rampage through Prussia. In the interests of preserving the peace of Europe, Hitler’s Germany accepted France’s territorial demands and built the costly Siegfried defensive line on the new border as a tangible guarantee of both nations’ security. But France attacked Germany without just cause, one last time, in 1939, because of her ill-advised strategic commitment to England. France had also violated both the treaties of Versailles and Lucarno by forming a military alliance with the Soviet Union. Partitioning such a hostile neighbor, while allowing her to retain her navy and her overseas colonies, seems like an extraordinarily generous act of German diplomacy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  44. THE Classical Blunder –

    Never go in against a Sicilian, when Death is on the line!!!

  45. Pat’s a sweet old man, but he’d gnaw his arm off before admitting Jews are a lethal negative influence here and abroad.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  46. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright explained: “If we have to use force, it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

    There’s no “we” here bitch. You’re a Jew, not an American.

    • Agree: Stones
    • Troll: Corvinus
  47. Corvinus says:
    @Rurik

    “Is it only white people who’re wrong (and racist) for voting against their own replacement, marginalization, and ultimate genocide?”

    Assuming of course that what you say is happening is correct. Do not white people have the liberty to make their own decisions about race and culture, even if they run counter to your preferences? Must all white people abide by your ultimatum, lest they be universally declared as “anti-white”?

    There is an abundance of white enclaves in America to live in. I suggest you move there where like minded people reside. White City, IL is a lovely place. Check it out.

    “But in your case, Corvy, I’d make an exception, and would be more than happy to see a refugee from anywhere on the planet take your place. And I’m pretty sure that your hue lacks some of that melanin that you’re so fond of.”

    That’s mighty risky of you. I won’t slit your throat. You’re taking a awful big chance, as you don’t have the skill set to pull off a Kyle. But if you enjoy living dangerously…

    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  48. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “Jackbooting infant Jews. Did you see that in a Steven Spielberg film or another Hollywood production“

    No, it’s properly sourced. I don’t expect someone like yourself to have any empathy over what happened.

    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/the-systematic-massacre-of-all-children-under-10-will-forever-be-a-stain-on-humanity-says-tfns-stuart-dowell-15611

    “But there were many German infants burned alive with their mothers when Jews paid Winston Churchil to make war on Germany and the allies firebombed virtually every city in Germany.”

    It’s absolutely tragic. But you mean when Hitler and the Nazis choose to invade free countries, which led to Great Britain and France to declare war. Do you need a primer on the causes of WW2?

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @Petermx
  49. @Sick of Orcs

    Pat’s a sweet old man, but he’d gnaw his arm off before admitting Jews are a lethal negative influence here and abroad.

    I voted for Pat, and even wrote his name in several times when he wasn’t running, so I appreciate Pat. But he knows what’s going on, and I don’t understand why he ignores the Jewish Amen Corner. What does he have to lose at this point? Sam Francis went the extra step when it could really cost him, and I admire him for that.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  50. Corvinus says:
    @Observator

    “The flaw in the Vichy analogy is that France had invaded German territory over thirty times in the previous two centuries, a mighty global colonial power versus small, disunited city-states, duchies, and principalities.”

    That’s a red herring. Anyways, there is no flaw in why the French would seek to remove by force a Nazi puppet regime.

    “But France attacked Germany without just cause, one last time, in 1939, because of her ill-advised strategic commitment to England.”

    The just cause was the German invasion of a free Poland, thanks to the treaty with a historic enemy to split Poland and buy precious time on both sides to delay the eventual showdown. Great Britain and France understood they were both next in line to be invaded.

    “France had also violated both the treaties of Versailles and Lucarno by forming a military alliance with the Soviet Union.”

    In response to German aggression.

    “Partitioning such a hostile neighbor, while allowing her to retain her navy and her overseas colonies, seems like an extraordinarily generous act of German diplomacy.”

    In the sole interest of bleeding France dry of raw materials and neutering it militarily.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  51. MEexpert says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Having imported 100m immigrants since 1970, the number of idle hands and superfluous bodies will be that much greater.

    Why not turn these idle hands into a work force and bring our technology back home. These 100 million immigrants will make a cheap labor force that our corporations are looking in China.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  52. macilrae says:

    U.S. corporations swiftly began to transfer production out of the United States to where it could be done cheapest — the People’s Republic of China. From 1991 on, China surged and eventually swept past the U.S. as the first manufacturing power on earth.

    Just exactly so – and, most especially, “we taught them all we knew” in the process – and they were hungry, quick and eager to learn! And, now, we’ve forgotten how to do it ourselves – and, so far as manufacturing know-how is concerned, we are probably still back in the 1990s.

    Just suppose the US did put new sanctions on Russia – denying them access to SWIFT – and suppose, in solidarity, China then announced that it would no longer be using SWIFT!

    In fact all China has to do is threaten to do this.

    Can you imagine?

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  53. I like Pat and voted for him when he ran for president. Here he is from 2012:

    Pat Buchanan on Suicide of a Superpower

  54. DDearborn says:

    Hmmm

    Just as the Wall and along with it the power of the Soviet collapsed, and the subsequent demise of Bush Sr. saw the long-fermented plot of Jewish zionists to seize control of US Foreign Policy. With israel’s false Flag attack on 9-11 (Proof? Dancing israelis who visited the Park the day before and setup their video Camera on the day of BEFORE the towers were struck) the jewish zionists (the vast majroirty of true “neocons were in fact zionists and israeli first traitors in the US) and by extension israel began their all-out war for total control of the US government.

    And it is this total control now held by the zio-corporate jewish fascists/israeli firsters that have destroyed America. They did not “squander” their stolen resources, they enriched themselves and lavished the rest on israel…

  55. anon[380] • Disclaimer says:

    @Corvinus #51

    “Great Britain and France understood they were both next in line to be invaded. ”

    Sure, and right after that the Germans were all set to invade the United States from Argentina. “We” (not to include Madeleine Albright) know this was true because we read all about in the Jewish press.

  56. GeneralRipper [AKA "Nemo me impune lacessit"] says:
    @Corvinus

    Howdy, big girl!

    I would really like to get your opinion on Joe Biden taking showers with his seventeen year old daughter.

    Yea or Ney?

    Also, what do you think of Dora the Explorer?

    I find it somewhat patronizing towards Hispanic-Americans.

    Thanks.

    I love your stuff.

  57. @Exile

    Yet half or so of young US Jews see Israel for the racist tyranny that it is.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  58. @Johnny Smoggins

    But she ‘forgot’ that she was Jewish, for all those years-remember?

    • LOL: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  59. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yet half or so of young US Jews see Israel for the racist tyranny that it is.

    Yet they don’t seem nearly as passionate about justice being applied to Israel, or ending the support for Israel. They’d rather rehash a dishonest version of the civil rights movement or attack whites for whatever and destroy America. Same as it always was. I don’t see ant opposition to destructive and toxic Jewish privilege or power among any group of Jews. They seem to enjoy it.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  60. @Corvinus

    (((You))) are on record approving of the imprisonment of people who merely question (((your Sacred Infallible Version of WWII))).

    (((Your kind))) really do cry out in pain as (((you))) strike us. (((You))) deserve nothing but utter contempt from decent people.

    (Yeah, I like using parentheses, and not only for the satisfaction of pissing off (((your criminal ADL))).)
    🙂

  61. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    You are correct and Paddy’s piece is verbose regret that the US did not benefit as befitted the truth of the statement.

  62. @MEexpert

    The primary benefit in the third world is the lack of regulation. Cheap peons are second.

  63. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    “Properly sourced”. LOL. Do you think that article is different than the 75 years of lies about making lampshades and soap from people. These claims became accepted as false in the 1980’s but the allied defenders had the nerve to say these were “mistakes”, not lies. Do you think the “democratic” countries of Europe that throw historians and others in jail for exposing lies like yours and the so called Holocaust have an interest in the truth? After over 80 years of lying and maligning and throwing people in jail for their opinions you post an article as “proof” that something happened. Are you aware that at Auschwitz there was a sign that stood there for about 40 – 45 years until it was torn down in the early 1990’s. That sign claimed 4 million people were murdered there and was replaced and now the authorities at Auschwitz claim 1 million were murdered, despite still having no proof and scientific and engineering studies exposing those claims as false. I don’t have empathy for liars.

    Which free country did Germany invade “which led to Great Britain and France to declare war”? Maybe you need a primer on WW II. Germany was a world power and it took back land that was stolen from it to create a country that did not exist until 1919 again – Poland. Millions of Germans were placed under foreign rule there, in Czechoslovakia and elsewhere when German lands were stolen from Germany. Czechoslovakia was another newly established country created by taking land from Austria (Austro-Hungarian empire). Hitler came to power after Germany was continuously attacked and occupied by foreign troops and continued to have land stolen from it long after WW I ended. French, Belgians, Poles and Lithuanians all sent troops into German territory and stole land. In 1923 Lithuania took over the German city Memel (my mother’s hometown) and claimed it for themselves. The allies had proclaimed that a “free city” in 1919. Its population was overwhelmingly German. The allies said nothing. Why didn’t France and Great Britain declare war on Lithuania when they occupied and stole that city from Germany? Germany took it back themselves in 1938.

    Hitler tried very hard to come to a fair agreement with Poland while the British were encouraging the Poles to not negotiate and the Poles took this to heart and treated their counterpart as someone whose face they would like to spit in. Finally, Germany took back what was theirs. France and Great Britain had as much business in Poland as Germany would have in freeing India from Great Britain or Algeria from France.

    Here is a presentation on the negotiations undertaken prior to the war breaking out. The British made the negotiations fail. They didn’t want Poland to have to give German lands back and they wanted war.

    Gerd Schultze Rhonhof on The War That Had Many Fathers

    It’s interesting that the USA can fly all over the globe and attack countries like Iraq (twice), bomb Syria and others, murder innocents many thousands of miles from the USA, where the USA has no business being and nothing is said but when Germany takes back land stolen from it where millions of Germans were placed under foreign occupation a world war must be declared on them.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @BlackFlag
  64. @OilcanFloyd

    What does he (Pat Buchanan) have to lose at this point? Sam Francis went the extra step when it could really cost him, and I admire him for that.

    Opportunity cost. I don’t blame anyone making a good living for not naming them, there’s no benefit save maybe peace of mind.

    Let’s say Tucker went all out one night and named them, including lots of facts (he narrowly escaped once when he dared mention the Great Replacement.) In the short time Tuck would have left on the air few people would awaken to the truth, but he’d be out of a 6 million dollars-a-year gig.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Bill Jones
  65. @OilcanFloyd

    I don’t see ant opposition to destructive and toxic Jewish privilege or power among any group of Jews. They seem to enjoy it.

    I commend you for opposing “toxic Jewish privilege,” but they aren’t all like that.

    Ron Unz being Exhibit A.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  66. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    But she ‘forgot’ that she was Jewish, for all those years-remember?

    So did Matt Drudge. It’s almost like Jews are trying to hide something.

  67. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “Do you think that article is different than the 75 years of lies about making lampshades and soap from people. These claims became accepted as false in the 1980’s but the allied defenders had the nerve to say these were “mistakes”, not lies”

    Sigh, yet another poster on this fine opinion webzine who is a slave to confirmation bias. You have to show exactly how and why the information from the source is inaccurate, rather than dismiss the source entirely. That is how discourse works.

    “Are you aware that at Auschwitz there was a sign that stood there for about 40 – 45 years until it was torn down in the early 1990’s”

    Let us offer the proper context here.

    —The figure widely used in Poland of 4 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau was arrived at by a Soviet commission that came to the camp in February 1945, one week after its liberation. It later submitted its findings to the Nuremberg war crimes trials.

    Of the 4 million, the number of Jewish victims was often put at 2.5 million in postwar publications, wrongly suggesting that the Nazis had killed more than 1 million non-Jews there.

    However, based on the numbering of inmates, letters linked to transports, and statistical lists made in Jewish ghettos, the number of victims that can be documented is 1.1 million, about 90 percent of whom were Jewish, said Franciszek Piper, head of the Auschwitz State Museum’s history department, in an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza.—

    It’s called a verification process.

    “despite still having no proof and scientific and engineering studies exposing those claims as false.”

    Of course there is evidence that conclusively proves the Holocaust occurred. You simply do not want to believe it. How do you account, for example, the eyewitness accounts of Jews and non-Jews alike, who corroborated what they saw, of daily life and brutality in the death camps? Now, if you claim they are all lying, then you have your work cut out for you by proving each documented case is fraudulent.

    “Which free country did Germany invade “which led to Great Britain and France to declare war”?”

    Poland. Do not ethnic Poles have the right to self rule? Historically, their native claims to their own land were denied by larger powers.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    , @nokangaroos
  68. @Corvinus

    (((Corvinus the hasbara troll))):

    If (((you))) actually believed (((your Holocau\$t mythology))), (((you))) would welcome anyone & everyone to examine it.

    But (((you))) actually approve of IMPRISONING those who do so.

    We need no further proof of what Norman Finkelstein correctly calls an “extortion racket.”

  69. Goddard says:
    @Corvinus

    Jack Welch maintained that corporations owe their primary allegiance to stockholders …

    Corporations may owe their primary allegiance to stockholders, but the governments under whose jurisdiction those corporations fall (should) owe their sole allegiance to the people of their country, in whose interests they operate. America would be a saner polity if the corporations serving their stockholders had been held in check by a government that was operating in the interests of its people.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  70. @Sick of Orcs

    Opportunity cost. I don’t blame anyone making a good living for not naming them, there’s no benefit save maybe peace of mind.

    I get why many in the media remain silent, which is fine. I still admire people like Sam Francis and Joe Sobran for what they sacrificed. My admiration isn’t going to keep anyone clothed, housed, or fed, but I don’t think those are major worries for Pat or Tucker Carlson at this point.

  71. My admiration isn’t going to keep anyone clothed, housed, or fed, but I don’t think those are major worries for Pat or Tucker Carlson at this point.

    It goes beyond money. The Nose is everywhere. Even if you’re a millionaire, they control public perception and can make you a pariah. They have cronies all over government to create problems for their critics. Carlson has a young family, and mobs have already accosted him at his home.

    Though we’re not completely powerless, naming them requires a total commitment most of us aren’t prepared to give.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  72. @Pat Kittle

    I commend you for opposing “toxic Jewish privilege,” but they aren’t all like that.

    Ron Unz being Exhibit A.

    I appreciate what Ron does, but he is very much an outlier among Jews. He actually questions much about the holocaust and apparently values free speech for everyone. I’m not sure what to make of him, but he does significantly depart from the Jewish herd on many issues.

    The quote below is what I was responding to, and I think my response was fair and accurate.

    Yet half or so of young US Jews see Israel for the racist tyranny that it is.

    I don’t see many Jews of any age protesting toxic Jewish privilege, supremacy, subversion, or power. I think most are proud of all of it. They’d much rather lie about white privilege and distort the histories of WWII and the civil rights movement to their own group benefit than confront the wrongs of their own group. My observation is that most of the Israel criticism among Jews of any age is just talk, and that they view the ability to criticize Israel as their own privilege. They would certainly not support destroying and altering Israel like they support the destruction and altering of America. And they definitely would not be at the forefront of actively participating in harming Israel like they do to America and whites.

    Even discussing Jewish power is forbidden to non-Jews, and doing so gets people ruined immediately. And questioning the holocaust can get a person jailed in some countries. How many Jews of any age are opposing this situation?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  73. Petermx says:

    “You have to show exactly how and why the information from the source is inaccurate” No, you have to show why it is accurate. Just posting an article like that is meaningless, especially with the history of lying on this subject. There is no evidence presented in that article.

    “However, based on the numbering of inmates, letters linked to transports, and statistical lists made in Jewish ghettos, the number of victims that can be documented is 1.1 million, about 90 percent of whom were Jewish, said Franciszek Piper, head of the Auschwitz State Museum’s history department, in an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza.” Yes, and that is the same Franciszek Piper who concealed the fact that the so called “gas chambers” at Auschwitz were built after the war, or to use his words “re-built”. This had to be dragged out of him in an interview David Cole had with him in the early 1990’s. The visitors touring the camp were led to believe they were looking at the camp as it originally was.

    What you claim is evidence is not evidence, but there is evidence. The USSR turned over the records kept by the Germans at the camp in the early 1990’s and the number of people who are recorded to have died is well under 150,000 and few of these inmates were killed. Furthermore, the British Ultra intercepted all messages to and from Auschwitz and those messages indicate there was no mass killing of anyone as thought up by Jewish propagandists. Every message is available and it thoroughly negates the claims about mass murder. The ridiculous claims by the Nobel Prize recipient Elie Wiesel’s about blood spurting out of the ground for months illustrates what liars some people are.

    The “eyewitness accounts” have been shown many times over to be very unreliable. You mean like the eyewitness account of Irene Zisblatt who “swallowed the family jewels to keep them hidden from German monsters, pooped them out the next day and swallowed them again – for month after month after month.” You are completely uninformed. Top scientists and engineers have examined Auschwitz and found what was there could never have been used to kill millions of people as claimed. The top American expert on execution by gassing, Fred Leuchter, examined the Auschwitz facilities and found there is no way what is there could have worked. He said the Germans would have killed themselves first. Professor Arthur Butz, a professor of engineering at Northwestern University wrote a famous book calling the Holocaust a hoax and Germar Rudolph has written detailed scientific books using chemistry to disprove the claims made about mass gassings. He worked at one of the leading scientific institutes in the world and was fired for his efforts. So much for truth and democracy.

    Poland, nor anyone else has a right to take German land that was part of Germany, especially when the people living there were overwhelmingly German and the victors spoke of “self determination” in the same breath – but not for the millions of Germans living there. Then we can argue about Mexican lands the US took or every other inch of land that has changed hands. Maybe they can fight the Crimean War again since Turkey once ruled over it. And where do such colossal colonial empires like France and Great Britain at that time get to lecture Germany on self rule? You utter such trash.

    Eywitness Irene Zisblatt’s ridiculous story is featured in Steven Spielberg’s documentary The Last Days.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/the-last-days-of-the-big-lie-1/en/

  74. Petermx says:
    @Petermx

    Based on the way you think, you must also support the claim that Palestine/Israel belongs to the Jews since they lived there 2,000 years ago.

  75. Corvinus says:
    @Goddard

    I agree. But careful now. What you are advocating are stricter laws to be enacted or laws already in place to be enforced. The GOP and Trump would not concur with that assault on capitalism.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  76. @Exile

    “There are hundreds of Zionist and Jewish organizations in America who exercise enormous and largely coordinated influence over American affairs to promote Jewish and Israeli interests, as well as individuals such as Adelson, Saban and Soros who do likewise.”

    Not much wrong with what you say until the comma. But then, you list Soros, the guy who Netanyahu’s son publicly called an antisemite because he finances organizations like B’tselem that lobby against Israel’s character as a Jewish state. Soros is a case in point of the poster you are disagreeing with.

  77. @Corvinus

    Whether ethnic Poles have a right to self rule is a matter of aesthetics.
    However the “Poland” you speak of was less than 50% ethnic Polish,
    and the same “Poland” merrily annexed a piece of Czechoslovakia
    in the aftermath of the Sudeten crisis.

  78. @Corvinus

    (((You))) like having people imprisoned who dare to dissent from (((your thoroughly discredited “Holocaust” mythology))).

    (((You))) deserve nothing but contempt, (((shyster))).

  79. @Petermx

    Look-millions of Jews, perhaps not the Kabbalistic ‘six million’, but millions, were murdered for being Jews, and for the crimes of Jewish blackguards, so I cut the survivors some slack. Hysteria, survivor guilt, PTSD, both ‘post’ and ‘pre’ (to borrow Gilad Atzmon’s usage)and cunning calculation all play a part in the ‘Holocaust’ pseudo-religion. It’s a means to identify Bad Thinkers for ostracism as ‘antisemites’, too. If you disbelieve the ‘family jewels’ story, you probably disbelieve the parting of the Red Sea, the burning-bush, Daniel in the lions’ den etc. You MUST be a ‘Jew-hater’.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  80. @OilcanFloyd

    You don’t see them because the MSM would NEVER publicise their ‘self-hating’ behaviour. I think that they are divided between those who see Zionazism for the racist Evil that it is, and those who see it as self-destructive, paving the way for Israel’s destruction, and an hideous reaction, once again, as so often in history, against Jews everywhere. And it is immensely difficult for Jews to go against Israel. The social and familial pressures are immense, and the brainwashing constant.

  81. @Petermx

    “The USSR turned over the records kept by the Germans at the camp in the early 1990’s and the number of people who are recorded to have died is well under 150,000 ”

    These are the people who were registered in the work camps and IIRC their death rate was no worse than that of Soviet prisoners of war in German hands or possibly somewhat better before the Reich could no longer feed them. Their work was needed.
    The People selected for the gas chambers on arrival were never registered, as the eyewitness accounts make clear they could not have been registered. It’s not true that they are not mentioned at all by the cables. They are mentioned obliquely as “durchgeschleust”.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  82. Petermx says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Jews were killed for because they were Germany’s enemy and they killed more Germans than any other enemy. They were in charge and and as the leaders they were a big target, but Germans were their only target. They were the commissars and they murdered Germans without regards to international law because the USSR did not sign those treaties. Jews also played a leading role as partisans. That is also illegal because partisans don’t wear uniforms and can mingle with crowds. They can be shot on sight.

    I don’t hate Jews, except for the Jews (or anyone else for that matter) that hates me and my people. I would say Jews and people like yourself, completely indoctrinated with Holocaust propaganda have more hate for Germans than we have for anyone else.

  83. Petermx says:
    @Occasional lurker

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Those are the complete records. There were no “gas chambers” except for the ones built after the war. The cables have been examined and they show nothing like what you claim went on. You can make up anything you want but just saying “they were not registered” does not make it so. The Germans were and are sticklers for records and those are the records. You have a vivid imagination just as so many frauds have made money off of the “suffering” only to find out later that they made everything up.

  84. J1234 says:
    @Corvinus

    “So Hitler was proved right all along about the nature of the Soviets”

    As was the Soviets regarding the nature of Hitler.

    So Corvinus attempts to do to history what he/she/it has done to current events. That’ll be quite the accomplishment. Please tell me you’re not an academic.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  85. Corvinus says:
    @J1234

    I’m clearly far ahead of you when it comes to past and current events analysis.

  86. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “Yes, and that is the same Franciszek Piper who concealed the fact that the so called “gas chambers” at Auschwitz were built after the war, or to use his words “re-built”.

    You’re perverting what he said.

    —When Auschwitz was transformed into a museum after the war, the decision was taken to concentrate the history of the whole complex into one of its component parts. The infamous crematoria where the mass murders had taken place lay in ruins in Birkenau, two miles away. The committee felt that a crematorium was required at the end of the memorial journey, and crematorium I was reconstructed to speak for the history of the incinerators at Birkenau. This program of usurpation was rather detailed. A chimney, the ultimate symbol of Birkenau, was re-created; four hatched openings in the roof, as if for pouring Zyklon B into the gas chamber below, were installed, and two of the three furnaces were rebuilt using original parts. There are no signs to explain these restitutions, they were not marked at the time, and the guides remain silent about it when they take visitors through this building that is presumed by the tourist to be the place where it happened.—

    “The “eyewitness accounts” have been shown many times over to be very unreliable.”

    You mean reliable.

    —Pery Broad, a member of the Gestapo in Auschwitz-Birkenau, was captured by the British after the war. Broad wrote a detailed report on Auschwitz-Birkenau, in which he described the first gassing in the Main Camp. Broad detailed how Jews from one transport were herded into the former morgue room, where they expected to get showers: “The covers had been removed from the six holes in the ceiling . . . With a chisel and hammer they [the SS] opened a few innocuous looking tins . . . filled to the brim with blue granules the size of peas. Immediately after opening the tins they were thrown into the holes which were quickly covered.”—

    —Hans Stark, also a member of the camp’s Gestapo unit, gave evidence at the Auschwitz-Birkenau trial in Frankfurt in 1963. He testified that gassings were carried out “in a room in the small crematorium which had been prepared for this purpose.” Stark recalled that the roof above the gas chamber room had openings, through which Zyklon-B was poured in granular form. On at least one occasion, Stark himself poured the Zyklon-B in the holes. Stark recalled that the Zyklon-B “trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them . . . After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten or fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggledy all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.”—

    Now If you think their accounts are other than reliable, you have to show exactly how and why.

    “furthermore, the British Ultra intercepted all messages to and from Auschwitz and those messages indicate there was no mass killing of anyone as thought up by Jewish propagandists”

    No.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/jul/08/humanities.highereducation

    —“A British intelligence document held in the US National Archives and declassified last week shows that Great Britain was warned about Hitler’s plans for the Jews after ‘a most secret’ British source ‘poached’ diplomatic cables written by a fanatically pro-Nazi Chilean diplomat in Prague…Professor Richard Breitman, a historian at the US National Archives, says: ‘This is certainly the earliest piece of evidence we have that Britain and the US were warned about the coming genocide. It predates by months the British Postal and Telegraph Censorship Office report that would claim the Nazis were planning to exterminate the Jews.”

    “The top American expert on execution by gassing, Fred Leuchter,”

    No.

    —Morris’ film Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred Leuchter, Jr. In this film, Leuchter can be seen digging big chunks of brick and concrete randomly out of the walls, floors, and ceiling. At one point he even collected chunks of brick and concrete from a puddle of melted snow on the floor of what he claims was a gas chamber. It was not a gas chamber but was actually from the cremation oven area.[4]
    Each fist-sized chunk of brick or concrete was ground up into powder for analysis. This presents another problem. Any minute trace of the HCN residue that might have been present became an even more minuscule part of the larger samples. A more appropriate method would have tested only the surfaces of the samples. However, the lab was not informed what these samples were being analyzed for. Thus, the lab subjected the entire sample to analysis.—

    “Poland, nor anyone else has a right to take German land that was part of Germany,”

    Except it was historically ethnic Poles who were there for generations It was their territory.

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @Petermx
  87. rgl says:
    @Max Maxwell

    The American military complex with all it’s adjuncts, is the primary reason Americans cannot have nice things. Like healthcare. Or a decent educational regime. Or a living wage for those with no corporate connections. The list does go on …

    Americans are masochists. What else explains their devotion to an institution that robs them of the many things other nations have? This is the Helsinki Syndrome writ large.

    America’s problems can only be solved by Americans. However, the hate that Americans have for a host of ‘other’ Americans precludes this entirely. I erroneously believed that the Afghanistan debacle would be the impetus for a very much needed introspection. Sadly, this is not the case.

    America has little time left before … ???

  88. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    I didn’t pervert what he said. Your quote is just as I wrote earlier. The crematorium was built after the war (or “reconstructed” according to him) and they never told the visitors this, presenting them as original.

    No, I mean unreliable. That’s how people like you peddled the lies about making lampshades and soap from people for at least 40 years after the war and some people still repeat these discredited claims today.

    This is a documentary on the unreliability of “eyewitness” evidence. The same woman who claimed to swallow and poop her diamonds out over and over again (hundreds of times) for a year thinks she met Dr. Mengele who was going to operate on her and Eichmann was there too. Eichmann was not a doctor. This idiot was featured in Steven Spielberg’s lauded documentary on “survivors”.

    A fascinating speech by David Irving on wartime propaganda and a report smuggled out of Europe by two Slovak Jews who claimed to be in Auschwitz. This report included everything we have heard about since then. It found its way to the USA and apparently contributed greatly to the Holocaust story. At the time, the New York Times refused to report on it, saying they had been duped by propaganda stories before and wanted more evidence. Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morganthau Jr. made the report public over the heads of others without their knowledge.

    Irving describes how Britain’s Psychological Warfare Executive in 1942 decides to put out over the airwaves that the Germans have built gas chambers to get rid of the Jews. In 1944 Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, 9th Duke of Portland of that board writes to the affect “we’ve had a good run for our money with this gas chamber lie, but really we’ve got to be a bit careful because eventually it’s going to be exposed and then our entire psychological warfare effort will be brought down with it”.
    David Irving: “We were better at psychological warfare than Dr. Goebbels. We told the bigger lies”

    Judge Francis Biddle at Nuremberg after listening to all the eyewitness accounts, including a French woman describing the horrors inflicted on her, wrote in his diary “I don’t believe a word of this”.

    https://worldtruthvideos.website/watch/david-irving-a-british-historian-examines-the-holocaust-1988_7TagW2iA8qDavCo.html/list/4PNTmLjEjmQcILh

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  89. @Sick of Orcs

    \$6mm huh?
    What’s that, a dollar each?

  90. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “I didn’t pervert what he said. Your quote is just as I wrote earlier. The crematorium was built after the war (or “reconstructed” according to him) and they never told the visitors this, presenting them as original.”

    I provided the context that you conveniently left out. It was rebuilt it to show its horrors, and yes people were aware it was a replica. The fact of the matter is that there German death camps and its gas chambers/crematoriums existed.

    “No, I mean unreliable.”

    Some were unreliable. But the overwhelming majority have been vetted and sourced. And what you are doing here is saying if you can’t trust a couple to be accurate, then the entire lot is tainted. That is not how it works with historical research. It’s called the preponderance of evidence. I provided two accounts in my last comment. Show how and why they are unreliable.

    Furthermore, I noticed you didn’t even refute about the methodology employed by Fred Leuchter. Did you gloss over it or are you preparing a rebuttal?

    Irving is a flawed but fascinating character. The British historian A.J.P. Taylor called Irving in 1978 an author of “unrivaled industry” and “good scholarship” regarding research in the archives. Taylor criticised Irving’s double standard with historical judgements, using as an example Irving’s claim that the lack of a written Führer order proves that Hitler did not know about the Holocaust while at the same time claiming that the lack of a written order proved that Churchill ordered the supposed murder of General Sikorski.

    In a review of Irving’s book Churchill’s War (1988), David Cannadine criticised Irving’s “double standard on evidence”, accusing Irving of “demanding absolute documentary proof to convict the Germans (as when he sought to show that Hitler was not responsible for the Holocaust), while relying on circumstantial evidence to condemn the British (as in his account of the Allied bombing of Dresden)”.

    How do you account for Irving’s double standards?

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    , @Petermx
  91. BlackFlag says:
    @Petermx

    The allies exploited Polish national pride by encouraging them to act truculently towards Germany. Maybe without that encouragement they would have reached an agreement. The end game was always to create a pretext to attack Germany. It’s very similar to what the the current Western power structure is doing with Ukraine vs Russia. Is this correct?

  92. @Corvinus

    Your gaslighting does not obscure the fact:

    YOU ARE HAPPY “HOLOCAUST DENIERS” ARE IMPRISONED WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  93. @Sick of Orcs

    A guy like Carlson shouldn’t even risk keeping his family in DC or any similar hostile city. Move to a halfway-decent State where the local police / government might protect them and convict harassers and aggressors.

  94. Corvinus says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Again, I for one welcome the Holocaust deniers concerted misinformation efforts in the States. So, no, they are not to be thrown in prison, as that would be in violation of our 1st Amendment.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  95. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    It was built after the war and the visitors were not aware of this. The visitors were not told it was built after the war. You wrote “There are no signs to explain these restitutions, they were not marked at the time, and the guides remain silent about it when they take visitors through this building that is presumed by the tourist to be the place where it happened.”

    Regarding Hans Stark, Robert Faurisson wrote “Hans Stark is said to have helped a male nurse pour gas through an opening in the “gas chamber” roof; but Stark is confused, very vague, and the presiding judge gives, above all, the impression of having Stark recite a text (p. 439). ”

    http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/1979/08/the-gas-chambers-truth-or-lie.html

    It looks like your quoting from Wikipedia. It says ” In August 1965, he was found guilty of at least 44 instances of joint-murder, and sentenced to ten years in prison:[1][3] the maximum sentence that could be imposed on a minor.[failed verification] Stark’s father committed suicide after the war.”
    Wikipedia claims he was convicted as a minor but then claims they can’t actually confirm that and then omits the fact that Stark was released from prison 3 years after he was convicted, while serving a light ten year sentence for mass murder supposedly because he was considered a minor.

    Hans Stark released from prison in 1968:
    https://ww2gravestone.com/people/stark-hans/

    Why would a convicted mass murderer be released from prison after only serving 3 years in prison? There appears to be more to this than what the shaky Wikipedia entry provides but if Stark’s confession was him reciting a text, that might be the reason he was released from prison after spending only 3 years in jail for murder? If you have a better reason, please provide it and do better than giving me a Wikipedia entry.

    When you copy a blurb off the internet that is not even in the language the man spoke that is not evidence. According to his Wikipedia entry (itself a discredited website in issues related to WW II) Pery Broad (not even a German) “was found guilty of supervising selections at Birkenau, as well as of participating in interrogations, tortures and executions, and was sentenced to four years in prison in 1965” but again Wikipedia does not say when he was released from prison. He was supposedly sentenced to four years in prison for multiple “tortures and executions”. That makes no sense on its own unless their case was very weak (or something else was wrong with the trial), so what you claim above can be disregarded. Again, copying a blurb off the internet is not evidence or proof.

    Are you aware of the multiple “confessions” the allies got after torturing those they were interrogating and even writing out a confession (in English) for the German to sign?

    Yes, “Fred Leuchter, was the top American expert on execution by gassing” and his report was reviewed by historians and scientists and found very credible.

    “Except it was historically ethnic Poles who were there for generations It was their territory.” No, it was not. It was German territory. There was no country called Poland until it was recreated in 1919 by stealing the land from Germany and Germany’s Polish population was small. Germany was not a multinational empire like the Russian or Austro-Hungarian Empires. That is why the Poles turned down Hitler’s proposal that a plebiscite be held to let the people living there vote whether they wanted to be part of Poland or Germany. They knew most people living there were German and did not want to be ruled over by Poles.

    Why did you post the Guardian article. This is meaningless. As David Irving explains, during the war the British were pushing the Holocaust lie about gassings when they knew that they themselves made these stories up and were concerned they would be found out.

  96. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    “Some were unreliable. But the overwhelming majority have been vetted and sourced.” No. Watch the documentary.

    I don’t see any double standard regarding Irving. I do see many discredited historians and others on your side.

  97. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    I find people like professor Arthur Butz, scientist Germar Rudolph, engineer Fritz Berg and David Irving much more credible than you and the many liars and deceivers you rely upon.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  98. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    The death camp existed and was rebuilt to showcase the horrors conducted there.

    Stark and Broad provided compelling testimony. He was convicted. You simply dismiss it. I could provide numerous sources, and more than likely you would simply not believe what they said. So show how and why they both lied.

    “I don’t see any double standard regarding Irving. I do see many discredited historians and others on your side.”

    How? Why? Merely saying it does not bolster your argument.

    “Yes, “Fred Leuchter, was the top American expert on execution by gassing” and his report was reviewed by historians and scientists and found very credible.”

    Who exactly are these people that call him “reliable” in light of his research containing multiple flaws, one of which I provided and you ignored? What makes him and Irving seemingly above reproach?

    “No, it was not. It was German territory. There was no country called Poland until it was recreated in 1919 by stealing the land from Germany and Germany’s Polish population was small”

    It was territory that was occupied historically by ethnic Poles, sir.

    “I find people like professor Arthur Butz, scientist Germar Rudolph, engineer Fritz Berg and David Irving much more credible than you and the many liars and deceivers you rely upon.”

    Because you are a slave to conformation bias. If you are going to call me a liar and a deceiver, as well as the sources I have submitted into evidence, then provide the courtesy of offering a cogent refutation. Simply saying someone is other than believable without making an honest, concerted effort to show how and why demonstrates a lack of intellect and curiosity.

  99. Petermx says:

    Too many lies told for many decades after the war say that is not true.

    I dismiss those two for the good reasons I provided. You need to provide more than a blurb.

    Historians David Irving, Robert Faurisson and chemist Germar Rudolf to name a few.

    There is not an inch of land in the world that has not exchanged hands. The fact is it was German land with primarily Germans living on it.

    “Because you are a slave to conformation bias. ” That is funny coming from you.

    I didn’t call you a liar or deceiver. Read what I wrote. You do rely upon very questionable material to make a point. Stark and Broad are not compelling and the fact two supposed mass murderers were released after a few years in jail (three in one case) suggests what Robert Faurisson wrote is right.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  100. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “Too many lies told for many decades after the war say that is not true.”

    More like truths you simply refuse to believe.

    “I dismiss those two for the good reasons I provided. You need to provide more than a blurb.”

    I have, especially with information regarding Leuchter and Irving. Again, what makes them seemingly above reproach?

    “There is not an inch of land in the world that has not exchanged hands. The fact is it was German land with primarily Germans living on it.”

    Ethnic Poles land.

    “You do rely upon very questionable material to make a point. Stark and Broad are not compelling and the fact two supposed mass murderers were released after a few years in jail (three in one case) suggests what Robert Faurisson wrote is right”

    You still haven’t refuted what both men testified to. How and why do you know for certain that they didn’t do what they said and others said they did?

    • Troll: Petermx
  101. Petermx says:

    “On the night that Barbie was sentenced in Lyon, the crowd went mad after Vergès left the courtroom; without strong police protection, he would have been lynched. I don’t doubt that, had he taken a Revisionist stand, Vergès would have been killed no matter what the protective measures.”

    Judge Wilhelm Stäglich wrote that the Auschwitz Trials of the 60’s were a German response to the Eichmann trial in Israel in 1961. Robert Faurisson describes the Auschwitz Trials as 20th century versions of witchcraft trials in earlier centuries with no real evidence presented.

    “In French we have a saying: “Plus cela change et plus c’est la même chose” (The more things change, the more they are the same). Why should atavistic fears and superstitions disappear? Only their outward form is changing. The twentieth century has had plenty of “witchcraft” trials, in the “Free” as well as Communist world. The Frankfurt trial was, if you will, a kind of perfect witchcraft trial, with no expert report on the gas chambers and with a system whereby 1/4 of a proof + 1/2 of a proof = 1 proof. The trial itself, staged in a theater, was conducted like a religious ritual. The participants came together and took communion in their sacred horror. It is symptomatic that, in the courtroom, the very location of the horror was represented symbolically, almost abstractly, by the plans of Auschwitz and Birkenau, on which one could barely make out the location of the weapon of the crime par excellence: those horrific slaughterhouses for men, women and children. Hard to believe as it may be, no drawing, no technical sketch, no photos of the gas chambers were displayed in the big courtroom (a theater, in fact), only a plan on which the crematories (not even the gas chambers) were represented by tiny black rectangles. No one tried to inquire any further about these ridiculous specks. That was taboo. Anyone who had dared to look at the matter more closely would have made himself an utter heretic, a minion of Satan, a “Nazi.”

    This took place in Frankfurt (1963-1965), in the middle of the twentieth century, in a country professedly endowed with a democratic constitution, with an independent judiciary, with a free press, and, finally, in a country teeming with so many minds noted for their love of learning and detail Moreover, German historians have derived most of their information from that kind of trial; from this comes the rather vague, intangible and magical nature of their statements about the gas chambers and the genocide.The accused and their lawyers, in their own way, all contributed to the religious character of that lengthy trial, either because they believed in the existence of the magical gas chambers, or because they preferred, out of prudence, not to cause a great scandal by asking to look at matters in more detail. All parties adhered to the ritual to the bitter end.

    The same ritual was followed in a series of identical “war crimes” for the next twenty years, until the Barbie trial in France. -That trial was even more hysterical, because the fears of the devout inquisitors who defend the Holocaust cult had grown. They were frightened by the prospect that the discoveries made by the Revisionists about the “Big Lie” might be exploited by Jacques Vergès, Barbie’s defense lawyer. I can reveal here that Vergès was tempted to take a Revisionist stand on behalf of his client and to ask a quite normal question, which would have gone as follows:

    My client is accused of having sent Jews, not to simple concentration camps, where they could have survived, but to what you call “extermination camps,” where at least most of them would be put to death in human slaughterhouses called “gas chambers.” Bring us the proofs that such camps and such slaughterhouses existed, and the proofs that every Jew you claim has been murdered has in fact been murdered.

    Very courageous, but no hero, Vergès drew back. No one has the right to criticise him. On the night that Barbie was sentenced in Lyon, the crowd went mad after Vergès left the courtroom; without strong police protection, he would have been lynched. I don’t doubt that, had he taken a Revisionist stand, Vergès would have been killed no matter what the protective measures.”

    I remember when Klaus Barbie was put on trial. I recall being nervous and uncomfortable and the oppressive guilt being placed on all Germans, even here in the USA when another “NAZI” was exposed. No one expressed any doubt that he was guilty even before the trial started. No one dared, even here in the USA. The media coverage, as with many other things, was so one sided and biased most people would probably not doubt his guilt even in a private conversation.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p187_Faurisson.html

    “Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich, German judge and historian, was an important revisionist writer, most notably for his detailed study, Der Auschwitz-Mythos….

    Disturbed by the obvious discrepancies between what he had witnessed during the war at Auschwitz , and the portrayal of the camp that emerged at war’s end, he resolved — after years of silence — to speak out, and to undertake a serious investigation of this important subject.

    As punishment for some revisionist essay, he was dismissed as a judge in 1975 by court order, and forced into early retirement with a reduction of his pension.

    His detailed book, Der Auschwitz-Mythos: Legende oder Wirklichkeit, was published in March 1979 by the Grabert Verlag of Tübingen. The book is a systematic, critical examination of the documents, testimonies, confessions and personal accounts that portray Auschwitz as a center of programmatic extermination by gassing and other means.

    It was soon banned by German authorities, and in 1983 German police raided his publisher’s offices and confiscated the remaining unsold copies.

    That same year the University of Göttingen “withdrew” or cancelled Stäglich’s doctoral degree – ironically on the basis of a law promulgated during the Hitler era.”

    http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/staglich.html

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  102. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    Let us assume we should typecast Jews, something Faurisson agreed with. Does that include Jewish children? Must all or most people “typecast them”, or are they able to object without being viewed as a Jew lover? Do you ultimately support the Nazi actions of removing by force any and all Jews from their homes and businesses, including newborns and the elderly? Would you agree that this process ought to be reimplemented anywhere Jews currently reside because they represent a dire threat? What say you?

    He also stated that Anne Frank’s diary is fake. What specific evidence is there to dispute the Netherlands Forensic Institute’s conclusion using forensic document analysis that her diary was authentic?

    He said he could not accept the writings and eyewitness accounts of Alexander Solzhenitsyn about the death camps because Solzhenitsyn was a novelist and not trained in historical methods. Using Faurisson’s own logic, should we reject his findings since he is a poet who also lacks this skill? Faurisson also demands that there is a cross-examination requirement for former Holocaust survivors or for ex German soldiers, but that is a legal, rather than a historical method. How is his odd request not hypocritical?

    Consider we have the testimony of SS and Gestapo men from dozens of trials who were explicit that Jews were put to death in gas chambers. And they testified that manufacturer records show orders for Zyklon B sent to Auschwitz were in excess of what was needed for fumigation. In those trials, cross-examination is built in. So, what evidence do you have that conclusively shows every single one was lying or inaccurate?

    So what makes Faurisson, Leuchter and Irving seemingly above reproach?

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @Pat Kittle
  103. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    “Consider we have the testimony of SS and Gestapo men from dozens of trials who were explicit that Jews were put to death in gas chambers.” I don’t think confessions obtained by torture are valid and there were no others except as explained in the Auschwitz Trial, such as in my comment above.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  104. @Corvinus

    (((You))) are happy that people are actually in prison for merely questioning your version of WWII.

    That’s all we need to know about (((you))), (((shyster))).

  105. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “I don’t think confessions obtained by torture are valid and there were no others except as explained in the Auschwitz Trial, such as in my comment above.”

    You’re going to have to be more specific here. But I’m not surprised that you avoiding my questions. You’re confirmation bias is something fierce.

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @Pat Kittle
  106. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    I don’t have to be more specific. I have already given you a wealth of information that contradicts or exposes your statements as weak. You are the one with fierce confirmation bias. The torture of accused Germans was widespread and has been well documented but you won’t read about it from Jews unless they are bragging about it, which they did. And when the Germans were not being tortured they were being murdered. I am aware of a case that I’ve written about before but I won’t waste any more time on you. You have a thick skull. If I change my mind and find the example I’m thinking of, I’ll post it here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  107. Corvinus says:

    “I don’t have to be more specific,”

    Of course you do. That’s how discourse works.

    “I have already given you a wealth of information that contradicts or exposes your statements as weak.

    Not quite. I gave counters to your assertions and asked specific questions that you have sidestepped.

    “The torture of accused Germans was widespread”

    In EVERY case or certain ones? This is where clarifications is needed here on your part.

    “And when the Germans were not being tortured they were being murdered?”

    Who? When? What was the context?

    “I am aware of a case that I’ve written about before but I won’t waste any more time on you.”

    So you’re running away.

  108. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    “The torture of accused Germans was widespread…”

    Yes, I am aware of atrocities committed by the Allied Forces in this regard. Of course it depends upon the nature and context of each situation. Yet you seem to have no issue with the atrocities committed by the Naxos who removed by force German Jew families from their homes and businesses. Were they all guilty or deserving in your eyes, including children?

    Now, you have to show exactly which SS and Gestapo personnel had their testimony about the death camps extracted by force, rather than totally discount any and all SS and Gestapo officials who offered testimony on their own accord.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  109. Petermx says:
    @Corvinus

    I don’t have to show you anything. I have not sidestepped anything and I’m not running anywhere. You’re boring, in denial and thickheaded. If you don’t read revisionists then you would not be aware of any of these things. Germany’s enemies all behaved like angels. I know your type. I’ve already given you a wealth of information. You have provided me with information that is garbage, such as two Germans found guilty of mass murder and then released after 3 years in jail. Only you would not see the problem with that.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  110. Corvinus says:
    @Petermx

    It’s abundantly clear you are desperate to avoid substantive discourse. Again, you have sidestepped a number of my inquiries.

    “You’re boring, in denial and thickheaded.”

    Projection.

    “If you don’t read revisionists then you would not be aware of any of these things. “

    I am well aware of those arguments, and I have provided evidence to the contrary that you utterly dismiss. That’s a problem for YOU, not me.

    “Germany’s enemies all behaved like angels.”

    That is a strawman on your part.

    “You have provided me with information that is garbage”

    That’s opinion, not fact. You’re really faltering here.

    “such as two Germans found guilty of mass murder and then released after 3 years in jail. Only you would not see the problem with that.”

    They each were found guilty. They offered specific testimony. How do you refute what they each had stated? That is how you move the conversation needle, rather than posture.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  111. @Corvinus

    (((You))) are happy Europeans are in prison right now — for merely questioning (((your version of WWII))).

    And no wonder — (((your “Holocaust” scam is the gift that keeps on giving))):
    — (https://www.jns.org/holocaust-survivors-to-receive-200-million-in-emergency-covid-19-relief-funds-from-germany/)

    • Thanks: Petermx
  112. @Corvinus

    You are happy Europeans are in prison right now for merely questioning your version of WWII history.

    That’s all we need to know about you, shyster.

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