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On one of my first trips to New Hampshire in 1991, to challenge President George H. W. Bush, I ran into Sen. Eugene McCarthy.

He was returning to the scene of his ’68 triumph, when he had inflicted the first crippling wound on Lyndon Johnson.

“Pat, you don’t have to win up here, you know,” he assured me. “All you have to do is beat the point spread.”

“Beat the point spread” is a good description of what Donald Trump has to do in Monday night’s debate.

With only a year in national politics, he does not have to show a mastery of foreign and domestic policy details. Rather, he has to do what John F. Kennedy did in 1960, and what Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

He has to meet and exceed expectations, which are not terribly high. He has to convince a plurality of voters, who seem prepared to vote for him, that he’s not a terrible risk, and that he will be a president of whom they can be proud.

He has to show the country a Trump that contradicts the caricature created by those who dominate our politics, culture and press.

The Trump on stage at Hofstra University will have 90 minutes to show that the malicious cartoon of Donald Trump is a libelous lie.

He can do it, for he did it at the Mexico City press conference with President Pena Nieto where he surprised his allies and stunned his adversaries.

Recall. Kennedy and Reagan, too, came into their debates with a crucial slice of the electorate undecided but ready to vote for them if each could relieve the voters’ anxieties about his being within reach of the button to launch a nuclear war.

Kennedy won the first debate, not because he offered more convincing arguments or more details on the issues, but because he appeared more lucid, likable and charismatic, more mature than folks had thought. And he seemed to point to a brighter, more challenging future for which the country was prepared after Ike.

After that first debate, Americans could see JFK sitting in the Oval Office.

Reagan won his debate with Carter because his sunny disposition and demeanor and his “There you go again!” airy dismissal of Carter’s nit-picking contradicted the malevolent media-created caricatures of the Gipper as a dangerous primitive or an amiable dunce.

Even George W. Bush, who, according to most judges, did not win a single debate against Al Gore or John Kerry, came off as a levelheaded fellow who was more relatable than the inventor of the internet or the windsurfer of Cape Cod. The winner of presidential debates is not the one who compiles the most debating points. It is the one whom the audience decides they like, and can be comfortable taking a chance on.

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Trump has the same imperative and same opportunity as JFK and Reagan. For the anticipated audience, of Super Bowl size, will be there to see him, not her. He is the challenger who fills up the sports arenas with the tens and scores of thousands, not Hillary Clinton.

If she were debating John Kasich or Jeb Bush, neither the viewing audience nor the title-fight excitement of Monday night would be there. Specifically, what does Trump need to do? He needs to show that he can be presidential. He needs to speak with confidence, but not cockiness, and to deal with Clinton’s attacks directly, but with dignity and not disrespect. And humor always helps.

Clinton has a more difficult assignment.

America knows she knows the issues. But two-thirds of the country does not believe her to be honest or trustworthy. As her small crowds show, she sets no one on fire. Blacks, Hispanics and millenials who invested high hopes in Barack Obama seem to have no great hopes for her. She has no bold agenda, no New Deal or New Frontier.

“Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?” wailed Hillary Clinton this week.

The answer is simple. America has seen enough of her and has no great desire to see any more; and she cannot change an impression hardened over 25 years — in 90 minutes.

But the country will accept her, if the only alternative is the Trump of the mainstream media’s portrayal. Hence, the strategy of the Democratic Party for the next seven weeks is obvious:

Trash Trump, take him down, make him intolerable, and we win.

No matter how she performs though, Donald Trump can win the debate, for he is the one over whom the question marks hang. But he is also the one who can dissipate and destroy them with a presidential performance.

In that sense, this debate and this election are Trump’s to win.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

Copyright 2016 Creators.com.

 
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  1. Jason Liu says:

    I think what’s more important is how the media interprets the debate, which is what most people will believe.

    The left will undoubtedly paint Hillary as the winner no matter what happens. The question is, who among the right will go to bat for Trump? With the exception of Breitbart, the right wing media is soft and egalitarian, and cannot be counted on.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
    , @Honorary thief
  2. Rurik says:

    I suspect that many of us are so traumatized by the endless, endless horrors that the US zio-government has wrought on the world, and the seemingly bottomless treachery they’re always able to shock us with, that we all have a kind of PTSD when it comes to presidential politics.

    I voted for the chimp when he said he wasn’t a nation builder, and then it turned out that he wasn’t just lying, but that his claim of not being a ‘nation builder’ (destroyer) was perhaps one of the most staggeringly dishonest lies since the beginning of time. (and that’s saying a lot!)

    The Nobel peace prize winner goes on to destroy Libya and Syria with zero justifications. And he was elected as a peace president. (just like Wilson or FDR)

    at some point you start to get cynical

    so I suspect that there are a lot of us who are shell shocked, and are just wondering if it really is going to make any difference at all even if Trump does win.

    hiring James Woolsey as a national security advisor is mortifying

    who next, Robert Kagan? John Bolton?

    why not just bring back all the neocons

    anyways, I’ll error on the side of optimism this one last time, and only because I sense a certain hysteria from the Fiend. The more they pull their hair out over The Donald, the better I suppose. But if he gets in and decides that “Assad has to go”, then it’s all over. Fuck it

  3. “Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?” wailed Hillary Clinton this week.

    Bad grammar, prolly. Some conspiracy theorists should collaborate and produce the definitive document on bad grammar and how it ends political careers.

    If only she’d asked “Why am I not 50 points ahead?” Och, the Red Sea would have parted on the instant.

    NB: This is gentle humor, Patrick.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    , @artichoke
  4. I had been cautiously optimistic about Trump until Pence came out last week and said Dick Cheney was his VP role model. Anyone who even thinks that in their most private fantasy is disqualified in my book, but when he said it on record it was just like a kick to the nuts, and I’m not even a US citizen or resident.

    Trump’s comments about increasing “stop and frisk” were also very troubling.

    If anyone can overcome the influence and control of the deep state its Trump, but he obviously is surrounding himself with the wrong people.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
  5. @Rurik

    so I suspect that there are a lot of us who are shell shocked, and are just wondering if it really is going to make any difference at all even if Trump does win.

    Oh, certainly. For as long as Trump lives if elected (2 years, maybe?), things won’t be anywhere NEAR as bad as they’d be if the Hillary monstrosity takes over. When Trump is killed, Pence will be Prez, and that’s still nowhere close to Hillary-level horror.

    If Hillary wins, we’re fucked. Revolt becomes the only way out, and since Hilldeology knows to crush revolution sooner and faster, it’s gonna get real ugly, real quick.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Ron Unz
    , @Corvinus
  6. Rurik says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    it’s gonna get real ugly, real quick.

    yea, I guess I can’t argue with that

    even if Trump is a ruse, nothing on this planet could be worse that that gorgon hag

  7. Ron Unz says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    Oh, certainly. For as long as Trump lives if elected (2 years, maybe?), things won’t be anywhere NEAR as bad as they’d be if the Hillary monstrosity takes over. When Trump is killed, Pence will be Prez, and that’s still nowhere close to Hillary-level horror.

    Actually, I think the notion that our Deep State would kill a President Trump is simply ridiculous…

    Basically, 100% of the Democrats in Congress would want to get rid of him and maybe 85% of the Republicans would want him replaced by Pence, plus 99% of the big Democratic and Republican donors.

    Trump is promising to do all sorts of outrageous and borderline-legal things if elected, so they’ll almost immediately be able to gin-up an impeachable offense and replace him with Pence that way. Obviously, 100% of the MSM and the Conservative, Inc. media will back the impeachment. Maybe they’ll also have him indicted on Trump U. or Trump Foundation corruption charges, just like they did with Agnew or that lawsuit against Clinton.

    A Trump assassination would just take too long to arrange and raise the suspicions of the Republican Sheeple. Impeachment, maybe followed by prison, is both faster and more reliable.

    Trump cooked his own goose by picking Pence as VP, reinforcing my strong impression that he’s something of a dimwit.

  8. @Ron Unz

    Actually, I think the notion that our Deep State would kill a President Trump is simply ridiculous…

    I don’t. It would be my guess they would prefer not to — certainly not as some media-event episode a la Harris & Klebold, or some unpredictable case of psycho single-shooter. They like to have control; heart failure and an assortment of quickly-fatal health issues are easily-done these days. The means to accomplish that would take a couple years, at least, with Trump-staff being alert. But, combat-alertness fades in the confines of the comfy encampment. We shall see.

    Remember, also, that attempted impeachments don’t have a high rate of success, historically. Not that any one of dozens of corrupt congress-critters wouldn’t be more than willing to try for a hefty bribe, but most of those in the past ended up with egg-y faces.

    Yes, one must wonder about Pence. He may be part of a deal that was worked out with some representatives of the Deep State. Dimwitted on Trump’s part? What deal might any wealthy, strongly self-focused power-broker accept to achieve the US Presidency? However, Pence only comes into play if Trump can be disposed of. For the Deep State, it may come down to that necessity.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Jim Christian
  9. woodNfish says:
    @Jason Liu

    With the exception of Breitbart, the right wing media is soft and egalitarian, and cannot be counted on.

    The other “right wing” media you are referring to is not right wing. They are leftists one and all as were all the Bush’s. Their support of Hillary Clinton this week proves what most of us have always known – RINOs are leftists.

  10. Ron Unz says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    They like to have control; heart failure and an assortment of quickly-fatal health issues are easily-done these days. The means to accomplish that would take a couple years, at least, with Trump-staff being alert….Yes, one must wonder about Pence.

    Actually, that’s exactly my point. Why go to all the trouble of killing Trump when it’s just faster and easier to impeach him?

    Basically, by picking Pence Trump painted a gigantic target on his back, which no one with any brains would have done. For example, Nixon was sharp enough to pick Agnew, whom the Elites hated even more, and had to get rid of first. The selection of Pence means that Trump doesn’t really have a clue about the true nature of the American political system.

  11. Barnard says:
    @Ron Unz

    Congressional Republicans still need to worry about a potential political blowblack onto them after an impeachment. The Senate map in 2018 is terrible for the Democrats unless they are able to Nationalize an anti-Trump sentiment. What is the likelihood Pence would be able to get reelected two years after a Trump impeachment?

    I agree they would rather have Pence, but I don’t think most Republicans in Congress would be eager to impeach Trump. After everything Obama has done to them, they are probably ready to see the Democrats get some payback. If Trump wins they figure they can get what they wamt out of him and gut anything he tries that their donors don’t like.

    • Agree: John Jeremiah Smith
  12. @Ron Unz

    Actually, that’s exactly my point. Why go to all the trouble of killing Trump when it’s just faster and easier to impeach him?

    Oh, gracious, no. It is much more difficult to successfully impeach — an effort involving millions of dollars and thousands of people — than it is to arrange a health crisis.

  13. res says:
    @Ron Unz

    Basically, by picking Pence Trump painted a gigantic target on his back, which no one with any brains would have done. For example, Nixon was sharp enough to pick Agnew, whom the Elites hated even more, and had to get rid of first. The selection of Pence means that Trump doesn’t really have a clue about the true nature of the American political system.

    I understand your reasoning, but two points come to mind. The first was already made by John Jeremiah Smith above:

    Yes, one must wonder about Pence. He may be part of a deal that was worked out with some representatives of the Deep State. Dimwitted on Trump’s part? What deal might any wealthy, strongly self-focused power-broker accept to achieve the US Presidency? However, Pence only comes into play if Trump can be disposed of. For the Deep State, it may come down to that necessity.

    It would be fascinating to see a write-up describing Trump’s actual decision process for his VP. I think a choice between bad alternatives is more likely than ignorance. Regarding whether or not he made the right choice, we will have a better idea in two months and a still better idea after four years have passed.

    The second point is to note how Nixon’s selection of Agnew worked out in the end. Both Agnew and Nixon disgraced and gone. Clearly that strategy had vulnerability as well.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  14. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    What would happen if during the Hofstra debate Donald Trump said the following:

    1)If I am elected POTUS..I am going to have Hillary Clinton indicted for War Crimes in the Balkans, in the Eastern Ukraine, and in Syria. And I will also have Bill Clinton indicted for War Crimes and rape.

    2)If am elected POTUS…I will pull all US Troops out of the Middle East. America will be friends with Iran.

    3)I will cut off all aid to Israel..possibly at a future date, Israel will get some $$$ for medical research-if it can be verified that it only goes for medical research.

    4)I am getting rid of my current neocon War Criminal policy advisors.

    5)The Middle East must become a nuclear free zone just like the Iranians say it should be.

    Before there was Hofstra…there was a praire(don’t know the correct spelling).There is a small remaining patch of it behind a fence over at Eisenhauer Park..Same species of grass that can be found in the American West. The area surrounding this last remaining speck of praire grass has been colonized and terrorized by ma-13. What’s the name of that Talking Heads tune?

    We can dream…..as a hedge against Clinton thermonuclear annihilation.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Anonymous
  15. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    For the record, I don’t like this talk about the “Deep State”…for it conjures up an image of the glowing parlous translucent corpse of Prescott Bush sitting in a super-advanced-twistedly evil-supersymmetric-p-adic Cantor Set-hyeprdimensional anti-Green Frogitating ET Throne in the dark…dank basement of the “Skull and Bones” over Yale(how far is Skull and Bones from Toads?) telekinetically directing the Deep State!!!! in America….I mean we are talking about an American Brahman Family whose favorite reading material is “250 Fart Jokes”….

    Another problem I have with this talk about the “Deep State”:it reeks of political defeatism…But what the F do I know?…I’m just an Irish drunk….who doesn’t give his consent to be governed by the Clintons..and by President Michelle and VP Beyonce post-Hofstra debate.

  16. @Ron Unz

    Your last paragraph shows that you, although very intelligent, could profit greatly by expanding your intellectual horizons yet further through the study of game.

    Here is what cartoonist Scott Adams said about Trump picking Pence at Scott Adams’ Blog:

    “For contrast, consider Trump’s running mate, Mike Pence. He’s the perfect choice for Trump because of the contrast it creates. If you started with Trump and removed everything interesting about him, you’d have Pence. Visually, Pence is the washed-out, smaller, duller Trump. That’s perfect contrast. When you see the two of them together, Pence looks like a black-and-white photograph compared to Trump’s full color. In other words, Pence helps to make the top of the ticket look better, and that’s exactly what you want.”

    Trump is the exact opposite of a dimwit.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  17. Svigor says:

    How Trump wins the debate, TL;DR version: look presidential, don’t say anything off-script, look helpful and concerned when Illary collapses.

  18. Svigor says:

    Something like 100m people are predicted to watch these debates. They won’t need much “interpreting” from people who call themselves “journalists” about Illary’s diverging eyes, strange head movements, exaggerated affect, wobbly knees, annoying voice, etc. And that’s just the baseline. Who knows how many gaffes she’ll proffer while struggling to keep her ramshackle body upright and under control?

    We’re looking at 3 90-minute stretches of Illary under the lights. That’s 270 minutes, total. I think there’s about a 99% chance she has some kind of health meltdown somewhere in there.

  19. Ron Unz says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Your last paragraph shows that you, although very intelligent, could profit greatly by expanding your intellectual horizons yet further through the study of game…Trump is the exact opposite of a dimwit.

    Well, VPs almost never make a difference in an election, so picking Pence might only slightly improve Trump’s chance of reaching the White House..

    But the issue is that if/when he gets there, a *vast* number of powerful people would be very eager to get rid of him one way or the other and replace him with an empty-headed “cuckservative” like Pence. So I think it was a really dumb thing to do.

    If he’d instead picked someone like Jeff Sessions or Ann Coulter or David Duke, maybe getting elected might have been a little more difficult, but all those same powerful people would have hired 100 food-tasters to ensure that absolutely nothing unfortunate happened to Trump while in office…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. @Jason Liu

    The spin will be of minimal importance, given the number of people expected to actually watch the debate.

  21. @John Jeremiah Smith

    What deal might any wealthy, strongly self-focused power-broker accept to achieve the US Presidency?

    A fair question to ask of Hillary Clinton. And Bill. What deal with the devil have THEY made? I suspect it isn’t something as benign as Trump’s stated desires, a wall, Keystone and coal mines, maybe a few factories.

    The deal the Clintons have made is scary in that we don’t know what deal they HAVE made. With finance, banks, oil, the EU, whatever. For a cultural/social clue, when Hillary shrieks about “employment, about education, about social justice, especially for WIMMIIIIIN!”, I wonder for the future of young men in this country should she be elected. She panders to Blacks, but she has no idea what to do about them, nor does she care.

    Sure as Hell though, Blacks, other than how she and Soros might use them, are not really her constituency. Bill had his Sister Soulja moment and doubled down on three strikes you’re out, popular with Whites in the early 90s, but ultimately, a warehouse operation for Blacks, and frankly a constructive one at that. Then, the welfare reform. When Ted Kennedy was wavering toward Obama, Bill told him, “This guy would have been serving us out coffee two years ago”. Oh no, helping Blacks really isn’t part of it.

    Then what? Why? What deal DID she strike? With whom?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  22. @res

    Yeah, and it only took 6 years and change!

  23. Anonym says:

    If he’d instead picked someone like Jeff Sessions or Ann Coulter or David Duke, maybe getting elected might have been a little more difficult, but all those same powerful people would have hired 100 food-tasters to ensure that absolutely nothing unfortunate happened to Trump while in office…

    I literally lolled at the food tasters bit. That was good.

  24. @Jim Christian

    Then what? Why? What deal DID she strike? With whom?

    I don’t know what deal she struck, but you and have have found a topic on which we agree completely. 😉

    The importation of millions of non-Americans, from non-assimilable cultures, to use to divide and destroy America, was a stroke of genius. Can’t deny that — they pulled off a masterpiece, for sure.

    I suspect it cannot be stopped by government, even if Hillary is not elected. That is, I do not believe Trump will accomplish any outflow of illegals.

    This must come to bloodshed, as all civil war eventually does.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  25. @War for Blair Mountain

    What would happen? Nothing. The votes are done, just not counted yet. We don’t knew who won yet. Guessing here that there are no crossovers. Her voters are hers, his are his.

  26. Thirdeye says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nixon was sharp enough to pick Agnew, whom the Elites hated even more, and had to get rid of first.

    But when the chips were down, he picked Ford.

  27. KenH says:

    Most Americans are so shallow and ignorant that they judge presidential candidates on “likability” which is an emotional criterion and how Hussein Obama won twice. In the first presidential debate of 2012, Mitt Romney had a much better command of the issues and was clearly more presidential appearing. Obama was exposed as a total wreck and amateur without his teleprompter. Yet, America still found him more likable than Mittens who the media cast as a heartless Gordon Gekko.

    It sounds like Pat is almost saying that Trump must be a cuck on the debate stage to appear presidential. I would say Trump should tone it down a touch and not be so animated but still go on the offense and hit Hillary hard. Hillary is a very weak candidate and I think most Americans see Trump as more likable than the stone cold, aloof, psychopathic and bigoted against “deplorables” (i.e., white America) Hillary Rodham Clinton Abedin.

    But with Trump’s heavy pandering to blacks and Latinos and neo-cons like Woolsey working their way into his inner circle I’m starting to lose faith. And it looks like even if he wins it could be business as usual which means more pointless Middle East wars for Israel, more drone strikes, saber rattling with Russia and on the domestic side massive budgets, minority butt kissing, race preferences and status quo on illegal aliens and legal immigration.

    But if by some miracle he follows through on his primary campaign promises then the establishment and their Congressional minions like squeaky Ryan will attempt to throw up every roadblock they can to prevent him from building a wall, deporting illegal aliens and Muslim refugees and renegotiating our trade policies which would benefit middle America at the expense of the corporate elites and their major stockholders.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  28. Anonymous [AKA "Anthony Mxyzptlk"] says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Blair Mountain — The Talking Heads tune is “City of Dreams” on the True Stories album.
    “Should we awake and find it gone/remember this, our favorite town”

  29. Corvinus says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    “Revolt becomes the only way out, and since Hilldeology knows to crush revolution sooner and faster, it’s gonna get real ugly, real quick.”

    So I imagine that if she is elected, you will be front and center in taking up arms against the government, right?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  30. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “Most Americans are so shallow and ignorant that they judge presidential candidates on “likability” which is an emotional criterion and how Hussein Obama won twice.”

    You just declared most Americans, including whites, as being stupid. What makes YOU other than being shallow and ignorant?

    “But with Trump’s heavy pandering to blacks and Latinos and neo-cons like Woolsey working their way into his inner circle I’m starting to lose faith.”

    He has an election to win. It’s not pandering, it’s called broadening his audience.

    • Replies: @KenH
  31. Corvinus says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    “The importation of millions of non-Americans, from non-assimilable cultures, to use to divide and destroy America, was a stroke of genius. Can’t deny that — they pulled off a masterpiece, for sure.”

    Yes, we can deny it because this specific course of action is a figment of your imagination. There was no plan by whites and Jews to import non-whites with the sole intention to obliterate America.
    Furthermore, unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to the English and the original Thirteen Colonies, you’re not a “true” American. That is what Vox Day, a leader of the Alt Right movement, claims.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  32. @Corvinus

    So I imagine that if she is elected, you will be front and center in taking up arms against the government, right?

    Yes, I will.

    So, I imagine that if she is elected, you will be front and center in craven supplication of her mercy, right?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  33. @Corvinus

    Furthermore, unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to the English and the original Thirteen Colonies, you’re not a “true” American. That is what Vox Day, a leader of the Alt Right movement, claims.

    A true American is an American citizen who strives for implementation of Constitutional premises in commerce and community. So, fuck you on that snark.

    Yes, my maternal ancestry goes back to 1646 immigration to Massachusetts from England, paternal ancestry to 1718 immigration to Virginia from Scotland. So, fuck you on that snark, too.

  34. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountian"] says:
    @Anonymous

    Anthony

    I just did a quick google:Nothing but the (Flowers) by the Talking Heads….

    Arcade Fire has a tune in the same spirit:No Cars Go….from their CD The Burbs…

  35. KenH says:
    @Corvinus

    You just declared most Americans, including whites, as being stupid. What makes YOU other than being shallow and ignorant?

    Probably because I can think critically unlike the assorted numb skulls who voted for and morally support Hussein Obama. There’s a difference between stupid and ignorant, but those who voted for Obama twice and plan on voting for Hildabeast are clearly in the stupid column if they care one whit about this nation.

    He has an election to win. It’s not pandering, it’s called broadening his audience.

    Except no politician is allowed to racially pander to whites in this so called white privileged nation. Why isn’t Hildabeast Rodham broadening her base by pandering to white conservatives and the alt-right instead of insulting them as “deplorables” and “racists” which more accurately describes her non-white, BLM and left wing supporters?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  36. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    John Jeremiah Smith

    Corvinus wants us to play the infantile “brains in a vat” freshman philosophy game.

    Moreover, Corvinus gives his full support to hardcore Israeli ethnic Identity Politics and to Nonwwhite Democratic Party Identity Politics. And he is an enthusiast for going to war against Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia. Corvinus is a neocon. And this makes Corvinus a member of the blattaria species.

    I don’t believe for a second that he lives in the US.

  37. @John Jeremiah Smith

    When she bellowed that “why aren’t I 50 points ahead” stuff,you could hear the sound of testicles retracting into lower abdomens all across America.

  38. Corvinus says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    “A true American is an American citizen who strives for implementation of Constitutional premises in commerce and community. So, fuck you on that snark.”

    And Congress was granted by the Founding Fathers the liberty to decide who is part of our community by establishing the criteria for citizenship for prospective immigrants.

    “Yes, my maternal ancestry goes back to 1646 immigration to Massachusetts from England, paternal ancestry to 1718 immigration to Virginia from Scotland. So, fuck you on that snark, too.”

    Papers, please.

    Now, back to the relevant question–So, I imagine that if she is elected, you will be front and center in craven supplication of her mercy, right?

  39. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “Probably because I can think critically unlike the assorted numb skulls who voted for and morally support Hussein Obama. There’s a difference between stupid and ignorant, but those who voted for Obama twice and plan on voting for Hildabeast are clearly in the stupid column if they care one whit about this nation.”

    Thinking critically requires an inward examination of one’s own confirmation bias. Clearly, you are a one-trick pony similar to those supporters of Obama and Hillary who feel exactly the same way you do.

    “Except no politician is allowed to racially pander to whites in this so called white privileged nation.”

    That is observably false. Politicians have that right to draw whites attention to “white issues”. It comes down to the consequences. Perhaps there are a number of whites who fail to share those positions because they are able to think for themselves on racial matters, rather than fall in line to elitist race realists.

  40. Corvinus says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    I see you did answer the question. Great! So I fully expect you to reveal your actual identity to everyone if and when she is elected. Otherwise, you’re a cuck.

    “So, I imagine that if she is elected, you will be front and center in craven supplication of her mercy, right?”

    No, since I am not voting for Hillary. Nice try.

  41. @Ron Unz

    That’s how the Deep State ousted Nixon. They were furious that he pulled us out of Vietnam and made friends with China and Russia. He cut the military budget, increased Social Security, and established the EPA! He had to go! It was recently revealed that the Pentagon wiretapped Nixon’s office.

    So the CIA sent a couple guys on a stupid breakin at the Watergate, and when arrested they immediately admitted in court that they worked for the CIA, something that is never done. Then CIA operative Bob Woodward surfaced. He had graduated from the CIA university (aka Yale) went to CIA/Navy ONI (Intel) for five years then almost directly to the CIA owned Washington Post with no journalistic background. He quickly “broke” the story and fed a media frenzy.

    Next thing you know Nixon is flown off the White House lawn never to return. Then Warren Commission yes man Gerald Ford takes over (after the unacceptable Spiro Agnew had been removed with another CIA op).

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  42. artichoke says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    It’s a fair question about the grammar. The real HRC, educated at Wellesley and Yale Law, and as we know from her speaking performance, effortlessly and naturally produces perfect grammar. She really is very bright, just a traitorous criminal.

    This was a body double putting on a performance. Maybe they’re doing screen tests to see which one to use Monday night. The real one is dead or in custody. (If it were just sickness they would trot her out anyway. No body double can possess HRC’s world-class debating ability or her knowledge of her own experiences.)

    The debate’s going to be weird. The body double will look (and be) healthy with no problems standing for 90 minutes. But she’ll be dull and speak in generalities, unable to set the landmine traps for Trump that the real Hillary would.

  43. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Rurik

    I have always considered any vote as a vote of confidence in the candidate, and in the authority and legitimacy of the political system the candidate represents. Since I have no such “confidence” I do not vote.

    It logically follows that with this decision not to vote comes the responsibility to resist that system and encourage others to do the same.

    You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant

  44. @Carlton Meyer

    You’ve almost got it.

    The Watergate burglars were sent in because John Dean (through his girlfriend and later wife, Maureen and her friend, Heidi Rikan) heard about the call-girl connection between the Democratic VIP’s at the Watergate Office complex and the call-girl ring at the Columbia Plaza apartments a few blocks away.

    Dean thought the wiretaps would produce useful dirt for CREEP and impress Richard Nixon.

    Dean didn’t know that the CIA was already using that same call-girl ring to eavesdrop/blackmail all kinds of Washington VIP’s, not merely the Democrats. The CIA was not going to allow a crew of Nixon’s men to compromise their on-going operation. So CIA men Hunt and McCord were inserted into the White House to make sure that CREEP operation was deliberately “blown”.

    When Nixon tried to push the blame onto the CIA for the whole thing, the CIA relented and did tell the FBI to back off because it was their operation.

    Why did the CIA give in to Nixon?

    Because Nixon threatened the CIA that the FBI’s investigation would reveal Hunt’s and the Cubans collective role in the “Bay of Pigs thing”.

    (“And that would very bad for this country and the CIA. Just tell them the whole thing tracks back to this Bay of Pigs thing.” Nixon to Haldeman, June 23, 1972.)

    Huh.

    Nixon knew the CIA was dirty on the “Bay of Pigs thing.” And the CIA knew it, too. So they complied, even though Dean really had pushed for the break-in.

    One can only guess the real meaning of Nixon’s reference to the CIA’s hidden connection to the “Bay of Pigs thing” . . .

    Whatever it was, it scared the crap out of Richard Helms and the CIA.

    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  45. pyrrhus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Border line legal”?…After 16 years of Bush and Obama, legality is hardly relevant to the US government. Trump can issue all kinds of executive orders, and rescind thousands of previously issued executive orders, without concern, since Obama and Bush have already been praised by the media for doing the same.

  46. @Paul Jolliffe

    Few Americans realize that Nixon was more liberal/progressive than the Clintons and Obama. The Deep State was planning to oust him before Watergate, and Nixon knew that. This quote is from Wiki:

    “When John Ehrlichman, the President’s counsel and assistant, asked Nixon why he kept Agnew on the ticket in the 1972 election, Nixon replied that “No assassin in his right mind would kill me” because they would get Agnew (as President)”

    So they removed Agnew 10 months before Nixon and we ended up with Ford and a Deep Stater Rockefeller as VP. Watergate was a minor scandal chosen by the Deep State for its media outlets and Congress to use in this silent coup. Nixon had become too popular, and thus too powerful, and was chewing on his leash.

    I worry that Trump will be a white Obama and do nothing. If he tries to do something foolish like pull our troops out of Iraq, cancel the F-35, close some overseas bases, secure the border, or cancel trade agreements, the “scandals” will surface and their boy Pence will step up. As Ron Unz wrote, assassinations are messy, although they could blame it on Iran, and spin it into another war.

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    “If he’d instead picked someone like Jeff Sessions or Ann Coulter or David Duke, maybe getting elected might have been a little more difficult, but all those same powerful people would have hired 100 food-tasters to ensure that absolutely nothing unfortunate happened to Trump while in office…”

    There’s some truth in this, but you have to consider that to get elected in the first place is in itself an enormous uphill battle for him to cobble together the electoral votes he needs. It may well be that having David Duke or whoever would have been benefited him more once he was in office, but if he can’t get elected to there in the first place, it won’t matter.

  48. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Alfred1860

    Pence was probably just extending an olive branch to the neocons. What problems do you have with stop and frisk?

    • Replies: @Alfred1860
  49. OutWest says:

    Nixon’s problem was Deep Throat who was the passed-over second in command at the FBI. Nixon foolishly appointed a clean new FBI Director thereby triggering Hoover’s revenge from the grave.

  50. @Joe Walker

    Random stop and frisk is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment. Targeted stop and frisk of apparent gang bangers I’m all for.

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