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A week from today, Joe Biden will still be on his inexorable course to become the 46th president of the United States.

Why, then, the hysteria that has suddenly gripped this city?

The triggering event was the announcement by GOP Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri.

Despite Leader Mitch McConnell’s plea, Hawley said he intended to challenge the electoral vote in at least one state during the Jan. 6 pro forma reading of the electoral vote count by Vice President (and Senate President) Mike Pence.

If Hawley holds firm, his vote will force the joint session to split up, with each house debating for two hours, and then voting on Hawley’s claim.

Hawley is certain to be defeated as the House is controlled by Nancy Pelosi’s Democrats. As for the Senate, GOP members have indicated they will join the 48 Democratic senators in opposing Hawley.

Yet, though his defeat is inevitable, Hawley is acting in accord with law and precedent. In January 2005, Sen. Barbara Boxer, to the cheers of Democratic colleagues, challenged George W. Bush’s electoral vote victory in Ohio.

Why, then, this panic?

Well, after Hawley announced his challenge and was attacked, even by admirers, Ted Cruz and 10 other GOP senators declared that they, too, would challenge the legitimacy of the electoral votes cast for Biden in swing states such as Georgia and Pennsylvania.

In effect, Cruz & Co. would vote to hold up validating Biden’s victory until a newly formed commission could complete a 10-day investigation of complaints that it was fraudulent or rigged.

And, at last count, 140 House Republicans had signed on to support challenges to Biden’s electoral vote majority.

Still, the certain end here is that all of these challenges will be rejected by majorities in both houses of Congress, and the electoral vote count of 306-232 for Joe Biden will stand.

As the challenges are certain to fail and as Biden’s path to the presidency will remain clear by week’s end, is there something else the Hawley-Cruz challenges are all about?

Indeed. They are also about the succession struggle inside the GOP, about who inherits the Trump estate if the president elects not to run again.

The Hawley and Cruz challenges are signals to the Trump faithful that they stood by Trump when the faint of heart had abandoned him to do the establishment’s bidding.

As of today, disbelievers in the validity of Biden’s victory are legion.

According to a Reuters-Ipsos poll of Nov. 18, some 28% of all respondents and 59% of all Republicans said they were concerned that the result of the election had been “rigged.”

Mike Pence, another potential candidate in 2024, also supports the challenges to the electoral vote. Over the weekend his chief of staff Marc Short issued this statement:

ORDER IT NOW

“The Vice President shares the concerns of millions of Americans about voter fraud and irregularities in the last election (and) welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6.”

Arkansas’ Sen. Tom Cotton, also a potential candidate in 2024, is taking a public stand in opposition to Hawley and Cruz. In a news release Sunday, Cotton declared:

“The Founders entrusted our elections chiefly to the states — not Congress… They entrusted the election of our president to the people, acting through the Electoral College — not Congress. And they entrusted the adjudication of election disputes to the courts — not Congress.”

The Senate’s No. 2 Republican, John Thune of South Dakota, has said that any attempt by House conservatives to challenge the Electoral College’s results is “going down like a shot dog.”

An angry Trump tweeted in retort that he hoped to see “the great Governor of South Dakota @KristiNoem run against RINO @SenJohnThune.”

Noem replied that she considered Thune a “good friend” and will be running for reelection as governor in 2022.

Understandably, McConnell wants to avoid having his GOP majority split over a fruitless challenge to the legitimacy of Biden’s election and splintered among factions supporting presidential hopefuls.

Sunday, Chris Christie sided with McConnell and Cotton, saying that challenges to the electoral vote are going “nowhere… because there’s been no evidence of widespread fraud.”

Christie has called on the party to accept the validity of the election of 2020 and work with the new and legitimate president, Joe Biden.

Given the coronavirus changes in election laws, the extended periods for voting, the massive use of mail-in ballots, the widespread belief that the election was “rigged” and that a change in 35,000 votes out of 155 million cast could have altered the outcome — this belief is going to have a long shelf life in American politics.

The “corrupt bargain” of 1824 that robbed Andrew Jackson of the presidency is still remembered in America’s history books.

This one is going to be fought over for as long.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Mr. Buchananon, I grew up watching you on PBS and I’ve enjoyed your debates.

    A little hird said that:
    Our great lady was on hospice care since the passing of The Patriot Act.
    “They” pulled the plug in March, 2020 with the Covid scare but she struggled on.
    “They” pulled the trigger on November 3-4, 2020.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  2. Mr. Buchanan’s job includes keeping enough sheep voting to accept Red+Blue governance in Washington.

    They are also about the succession struggle inside the GOP, about who inherits the Trump estate if the president elects not to run again.

    Of course, this creaky weathervane takes no side in the “struggle.” He’s a Team Red cheerleader who’ll remain enthused no matter who’s named starting quarterback.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Bill
  3. As a lawyer who has been following the hearings concerning the fraudulent activities during the elections, as well as paying attention to the problem of the “counting machines” and the findings of mathematicians and statisticians, I do not think that the question concerning the fraudulence of the elections, the theft of victory from Trump, can, or may, be called a “belief”.

    What happened during the elections and thereafter are actual factual occurrences. The evidence is screaming out aloud as to the facts of the case. I don’t have to “believe” that the election was stolen: according to the evidence presented, it was stolen.

    Therefore I KNOW that the election was stolen from all those who voted from Trump.

    This knowledge provides all those that know this with the most legitimate of weapons: to deny the inauguration of Biden and to fight – in whichever which way – for the application of Trump’s victory.

    I concur that it is absolutely stunning that the courts have refused to hear evidence on the matter. If any institution of government has delegitimized itself, it is the American court system, from top to bottom.

    It appears that they do not understanding the whole point of the law – to permit the solution of disputes without recourse to force and violence.

    If the American courts fail entirely in this endeavor, then the guilt and blame of violent civil disruption falls upon them.

    • Thanks: Fallingwater
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  4. Realist says:

    A week from today, Joe Biden will still be on his inexorable course to become the 46th president of the United States.

    Nothing gets by you Paddy boy.

    Indeed. They are also about the succession struggle inside the GOP, about who inherits the Trump estate if the president elects not to run again.

    Indeed. They are also about the succession struggle inside the GOP, about who inherits the Trump dump if the president elects not to run again.

    FIFY

    This one is going to be fought over for as long.

    You mean pissed and moaned about…there will be no fight.

  5. Too bad we can’t reconvene the Nuremberg Tribunal to adjudicate the matter. Trump’s claim would certainly be vindicated by the standards that were applied to the defeated Germans. The Tribunal’s constitution included such rules as “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence” (Article 19); “The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof” (Article 20); and “The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge” (Article 21).

  6. Thomasina says:

    And these are the very Republicans (Romney, Christie, Cotton, McConnell, Graham, Thune and others) who have been working so hard to get rid of Trump. Trump cried out that mail-in ballots would be a recipe for fraud, and these Republicans let him twist in the wind. Paul Ryan has been working behind the scenes (he’s been the worst enemy).

    They did NOT have his back during the Russian collusion hoax, and they were hoping and wishing Trump would be taken down by impeachment.

    They are working, along with their Democrat buddies, for Team Globalist, and they’re all taking orders from their corporate masters.

    Oh, sure, they grandstand occasionally, cry foul, but they don’t mean it. They are heeding their masters. These people (Dems and Repubs) have been solely responsible for the downfall of the country.

    Such a shrug-your-shoulders, fait accompli, “it is what it is” article! Shame.

    Write an article about fraud, get your hands dirty.

    • Agree: follyofwar, botazefa
  7. KA says:

    “Given the coronavirus changes in election laws, the extended periods for voting, the massive use of mail-in ballots, the widespread belief that the election was “rigged” and that a change in 35,000 votes out of 155 million cast could have altered the outcome — this belief is going to have a long shelf life in American politics.”

    Let very vote count and let everybody vote . Until it’s done, the democracy is a sham and will remain so . American democracy in this age is still trying to grasp that holy grail .The slow progress is simply disgusting .

    One day Americans white with dwindling population share ,will demand the easy access to voting and demand each of them with a voice to share should be heard . Today they are in denial.

  8. unit472 says:

    James Howard Kunstler says Biden might concede. He has been awfully quiet.

    Now why would Biden concede? Well, there’s Hunter Biden’s laptop. Concede and I’ll pardon you and your son. Don’t and you’ll be impeached and if the GOP takes the House in 2022 and holds the Senate you’ll be removed from office you and your entire family will be imprisoned.

    We don’t know what other info Trump/DNI Ratcliffe might have. Emails showing a DNC conspiracy to commit vote fraud and steal the election? That could put hundreds of top Democrat officials in prison. The mayors of Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit etc under arrest on Federal charges of sedition and treason.

    • LOL: Marshal Marlow
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  9. Thomasina says:

    They started building the stands for Biden’s inauguration, but have since dismantled them. They are using “Covid” as an excuse, but most likely it’s because no one was going to show up.

    Biden, a two-time loser, a person who is having trouble remembering what planet he’s on, we are supposed to believe that he garnered more votes than any previous president? What? I don’t think so.

    This isn’t about Trump. This is about a steal, and Buchanan is there to smooth out the steal. Hammer him!

    Trump, not a seasoned politician, made the mistake of trying to work with these people. They paid him lip service: “Yes, yes, we’re working on getting some money for the wall.” “Yes, yes, we want to bring the troops home too.” Et cetera. They strung him along. The whole time they’ve been pretending to work with Trump, they’ve been stabbing him in the back.

    Covid should be renamed “Coup”. It enabled them to shut down the economy, forcing people out of business, in the hopes of Trump getting the blame. They installed the little puppet Fauci and the other bought-and-paid-for medical experts to keep the hoax alive.

    Trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine and they all turned on him. It, and another over-the-counter, off-patent, cheap medication is what is making Covid a non-entity in Africa and India. But we can’t have that! Oh, no, Big Pharma and the politicians beholden to them have got to get their cut.

    How many millions of grandmothers and grandfathers have had their lives unnecessarily snuffed out because of these corrupt swindlers? They are all guilty of MURDER!

    The Republican leadership went right along with mail-in ballots, knowing the election could then be easily engineered in favor of Biden. They want Biden because he’s a good globalist who goes along with whatever the big corporations want. I hope every single one of them gets annihilated in the next election. Their political careers are now over. Of course, the corporations will make sure they’re duly employed as lobbyists.

    Take back your country.

    • Thanks: 36 ulster
  10. @Thomasina

    They started building the stands for Biden’s inauguration, but have since dismantled them.

    D.C. preparing for pandemic Inauguration Day
    —> #1: Nov. 19, 2020
    https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/d-c-preparing-for-pandemic-inauguration-day/

    Officials have taken steps to prepare for a swearing-in ceremony and a parade down Pennsylvania Avenue. Construction for the inaugural platform is underway outside the Capitol, and D.C. has repaved Pennsylvania Avenue. The National Park Service, the agency that handles permitting for gatherings on federal property, has issued a permit for the construction of the inaugural facilities in Lafayette Square, which includes the reviewing stand where the president watches the parade and a media riser. . . .
    [Many plans were still in flux, but a small crowd — 200,000 — was all that was anticipated.]

    DC Says it Needs $45 million from Congress to Host Inauguration . . .
    —> #2: Dec. 15, 2020
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-inauguration-funding/2020/12/15/c007a4a8-3aff-11eb-9276-ae0ca72729be_story.html
    [paywall]

    Biden Inauguration Will Have Virtual Nationwide Parade
    By Associated Press
    —> #3: January 03, 2021
    https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/biden-inauguration-will-have-virtual-nationwide-parade

    Workers in recent days began dismantling an inaugural parade reviewing stand in front of the White House as Biden’s transition team continues to prepare for festivities that will be mostly virtual.

    ___
    PS I wonder if the Biden inaugural committee will purchase a sound track of car horns honking?

    • Replies: @36 ulster
    , @Thomasina
  11. 36 ulster says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    ‘Liked the PS–how appropriate for the Zeitgeist.

  12. Thomasina says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yeah, a make-believe primary, followed by a make-believe campaign, followed by a make-believe election, then a make-believe win, then a make-believe inauguration.

    Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows. Right out of a cheap Hollywood movie, actors on a stage.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  13. @unit472

    Kunstler is a very talented writer. I normally read his twice weekly blog, which goes by the name “Clusterf**k Nation.” However, Kunstler loves to make many predictions, most of which have proven to be wrong.

    I’ve read from different sources that, as the corrupt FBI has had Hunter’s laptop for over a year and just sat on it, nothing will happen, and that whole scandal will be swept under the rug by PCR’s presstitutes. After longing to be president for forty years, I can’t see Biden conceding. Rather, after the pomp and circumstances of his swearing in ceremony, making him the 46th president, it may not be long before, citing illness, he turns the reins over to Kamala, who will ratchet up the war against White Males. That’s been the DNC’s blueprint all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m convinced there was massive voter fraud, and that Trump was really the winner. But, with the entire Deep State against him, I can’t see how he can pull this off. If he and DNI Ratcliffe had additional hard evidence of fraud, they should have announced it a few weeks ago. In fact, Ratcliffe missed his deadline to submit his report on foreign efforts to sway the election, and has never yet done so. What’s with that?

  14. bayviking says:

    We know Democrats cheated Bernie Sanders out of a nomination in 2016 thanks to Wikileaks. We also know that Republicans have been using fake purge lists for at least twenty years, coupled with their control of a majority of State legislatures gerrymandering and suspect voting machine technology based on hackable proprietary software without any paper trail. Most of this rigged election fraud was uncovered after the fact by Greg Pallast, who contacted almost everyone on those purged lists, by fired software experts that demonstrated how they could change the vote count on DIEBOLD machine in 30 seconds with nothing more than a loaded memory stick.

    All these real problems are completely different from Republican claims of people voting twice, dead and illegal alien voting allegations. Over many decades, time and time again those Republican claims have been proven to be false. For one thing each such vote requires an investment of considerable time and resources with no possibility of one vote ever changing the outcome. Not so with Republican insider cheating involving tens and hundreds of thousands of votes. There has been next to no enforcement of these crimes which have only emboldened Republicans, only in States which they control..

    Under normal circumstances the duopoly will not tolerate members who question the integrity of the system. The orange sloth appears to be an exception, at least so far. Most of the voting machine defects have been addressed.

    But these problems, many of which occur very openly, as in Florida in 2000, help to make Trump’s false accusations plausible. But, like the Russian interference BS, they are not really plausible.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  15. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident Israeli

    “As a lawyer…”

    In the same vein as Lin Wood or the anti-gnostic?

    “Therefore I KNOW that the election was stolen from all those who voted from Trump.”

    You mean you THINK YOU KNOW. You’re missing the crucial point which is that the people who voted for Biden were not voting for Biden, they were voting against Trump. They didn’t care who the Democrat candidate was, they just wanted Trump gone.

    The election was essentially a one-issue election. It was a referendum on whether Trump should remain president or whether he should go. And people on both the “Trump must stay” and “Trump must go” sides were incredibly highly motivated. Unfortunately for Trump the “Trump must go” side outnumbered the “Trump must stay” side.

    Given that it was an election like no other it’s only to be expected that voter behavior was going to be very different compared to other elections. And people on both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump sides really saw the question of whether Trump should go as being much more important than any ordinary election. Both sides saw it as a matter of survival – the pro-Trump side thought the country was doomed if he lost while the anti-Trump thought the country was doomed if he won. Therefore it was only to be expected that both pro-Trump and anti-Trump voters voted in unprecedented numbers.

    So it’s not the least bit surprising that voter turnout was abnormally high and it’s not surprising that the election did not conform to the normal patterns.

    What Trump supporters and populists have to face is that the people who hated Trump outnumbered the people who loved him. He was something new – a populist who was relatively unpopular.

    “I concur that it is absolutely stunning that the courts have refused to hear evidence on the matter.”

    Pennsylvania State Senator Ryan Aument (R) had criticized members of his own party for urging the legislature to discard the election results and appoint a new slate of pro-Trump presidential electors.

    “Those making those accusations [of fraud], which are very serious accusations, in my view, have a responsibility, an obligation to present that evidence in a court of law under oath,” Aument said. “I’m not aware to date in federal court that that evidence has been presented or even asserted. There’s a lot being said publicly, there’s a lot on social media, a lot stated at press conferences or even at Senate policy committee hearings, but that evidence has not been presented in a court of law”.

    Interesting, because Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation aren’t claiming sweeping fraud.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, they sought have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” that were counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Trump lawyers agreed to sign documents saying that there was zero evidence of fraud or misconduct when it came to said ballots. Attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.” The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    “I do not think that the question concerning the fraudulence of the elections, the theft of victory from Trump, can, or may, be called a “belief”.”

    Indeed, it is a belief, one that virulent Trumpsters wholeheartedly embrace. Remember, Trump said he would win no matter what. If he won, there was limited fraud. If he lost, there was massive fraud. He primed that pump for three months.

    To some extent, the poll responses are driven by ignorance. Higher levels of political knowledge correlate with a lower likelihood of believing conspiracy theories are about “probably true.” The less people know about politics, the more plausible anything seems. Political psychology research has revealed a phenomenon known as “motivated reasoning,” in which people process information not to reach an objectively correct conclusion, but to bolster what they already believe.

    So, no, Biden won. At least Epstein didn’t kill himself.

    Of course, if you and your patriots feel differently, then storm D.C. on January 6, overtake the building where Congress is certifying the votes, and put Trump back in office.

  16. gay troll says:

    the certain end here is that all of these challenges will be rejected by majorities in both houses of Congress, and the electoral vote count of 306-232 for Joe Biden will stand.

    Whatever happened to “nothing can stop what is coming”? The same thing that happened to “Hillary will be arrested next week”? The entire belief that Trump will win the election, or did win the election, is clearly the last high of the millenarist mania of Q Anon. Q has been very quiet since Election Day. Will the shit spinner carry on, will “Trumpism” survive grotesquely grafted on to the Republican Party, will dynasties of Trumps and Obamas now run against each other since Bushes and Clintons were found out to best buddies?

    Q is ultimately small potatoes. He is a young sheepdog. Sorry to say, television is the greatest evil on Earth. It is not necessarily so; it is the greatest evil because it is the most powerful form of communication. It broadcasts cinema, the most powerful medium of art (and propaganda). It is a powerful form of a powerful medium that is ultimately in the hands of murderers, thieves, and spies (our CIA and its beneficiaries). It’s all one big deep state show, from tits to taint, from Q Anon to Rachel Maddow. Are you not entertained?

    May God help us all.

    • Replies: @Cookie0
  17. @The Mestizo

    Fact check: Joe Biden won the election freely and fairly.

  18. Bill says:
    @Greta Handel

    This struggle is as fake as the struggle which brought Reagan to power in 1980. After much noise, the GOP will pretend to embrace populism but continue its tax -cuts-and-Middle-East-wars policy stance.

    • Agree: Greta Handel, botazefa
  19. @Corvinus

    As a resident of PA, here’s my election day story. I did not request nor want a mail-in ballot, yet I received an email from the PA Dept. of State stating that one was mailed to me on 10-8. So, I waited for mine to be received, then planned to return it unopened to my polling place on election day so I could vote in person. As none was received, I went to vote in person, and, after waiting in line for an hour, was told that a ballot had been mailed so I had to file a Provisional Ballot. It said for me to check the Dept. of State web site in a week to see if it had been recorded. But weeks later I found out that my ballot hadn’t yet been counted in my home county, and it took 6 weeks for them get to it. So, I assume it was eventually counted, although it was a little late at that point, as the state had been called for Biden weeks before that. In effect, I was disenfranchised.

    A day after the election I found out that hundreds of other PA voters had similar complaints. Also, provisional ballots are counted last, after all the other mail-in ballots. It turned out that hundreds of thousands of provisional ballots were filed, which was far beyond anything which had happened before. I wonder how many disgruntled voters were so upset when they were told they had to vote provisionally that they left without voting. This happened mainly to Trump voters, who voted in person in far greater numbers than democrats. Did voter fraud happen in PA? Hell, yeah!

    • Thanks: Thomasina
  20. If Republicans want to win, the quality of their candidates must improve.

  21. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    It is more than just political, because when I get called a “conspiracy theorist,” I can reply that Ted Cruz, an analytical, fact-driven, unemotional, Harvard Law graduate, also had strong concerns. Being called a “conspiracy theorist” is an argument-ender these days. My invoking multiple, highly knowledgeable, calm, prominent, public figures is my succinct reply. I can’t give a detailed reply, because the liberal does not have the attention span for it. (There unfortunately exists no succinct reply to the argument-ender “Racist.”)

    • Replies: @RodW
  22. Anonymous[608] • Disclaimer says:

    IN the midst of losing our republic Buchanan comes out with this shameful coward article…Pat you should be standing with our patriots resisting the new Bidens Tyranny…THEY stoel the elections with massive mega FRAUD now the will have to kill murder trture their own citizens….RESIST MAGA 2020 1776 II.

  23. Incitatus says:

    “In effect, Cruz & Co. would vote to hold up validating Biden’s victory until a newly formed commission could complete a 10-day investigation of complaints that it was fraudulent or rigged. And, at last count, 140 House Republicans had signed on to support challenges to Biden’s electoral vote majority.”

    After months of unsubstantiated charges, failed legal challenges, innuendo, and incendiary rhetoric.

    Now complete with Trump supporters storming the Capital to prevent Constitutional function.

    Whad’ya think Pat? Lovable not-so-‘silent majority’ ala Spiro Agnew run amuck? Your people?

    Sedition? Criminal incendiarism? Insurection? Please opine.

    Rewind to Dear Leader’s first “creepy” cabinet meeting, where each secretary was expected to laud multiple-bankrupt Trump in more-and-more saccharine praise ala North Korea (Trump bosom friend). Doubtless a day of praise for you, Pat.

    And now, Dear Leader instructs his (your?) mob with more dog whistles?

    “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

    “These scoundrels are only toying with the @sendavidperdue (a great guy) vote. Just didn’t want to announce quite yet. They’ve got as many ballots as are necessary. Rigged Election!”

    “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

    “If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back!”

    “We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when theft is involved,”

    “We’re going to see if we have great and courageous leaders or whether we have leaders that should be ashamed. If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget,”

    -President Donald J. Trump

    And then there was this from Dear Leader Jr.:

    “To all the Republicans who have not been willing to actually fight, the people who did nothing to stop the steal, this gathering should send a message to them. This isn’t their Republican Party anymore. This is Donald Trump‘s Republican Party,”

    Don Junior is the GOP? Who are you, Pat?

    It’s all on you Pat, with your 900-word money-maker weekly polemic excusing Trump stupidity/criminality.

    Trump took the oath to protect the Constitution, and willfully failed. Your excuse?

    Romney and a few others deserve full praise. You might mention them.

    Don’t envy you Pat.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Thomasina
  24. After 2020, we need two presidents. Let Biden by prez over the globs, let Trump be prez over the nats. We don’t need geographical separation. Just two governments, with one America paying taxes to one and the other America paying taxes to the other.

    It simply doesn’t make sense to have DC as capit0l for all the nation as the city is 96% Democratic. GOP cannot function in a city like that.

    Imagine a capitol that is 96% Republican. Would Democrats be able to operate in such city? Well maybe, cuz goppers are such useless cucks.

  25. Yep, there they go again. The GOP once again opted to lose with dignity rather than fight to rescue the Constitution n restore legal procedure. The GOP leadership just opened the door to permanent one party rule by the new Totalitarian Dems just so the GOP leadership could preserve their stock portfolios.

    The price will be an end to the Bill of Rights, extinction of the white working class, economic ruin, no fair elections in our lifetime, massive immigration by hostile illiterates, packing SCOTUS, even more porn n drugs, more crime, more riots, more suicides, more global wars, more monopolies, more censorship, more taxes, more anti white discrimination, more billions to Israel, n the end of the GOP as a significant factor in politics. I hope Pence can live with what he unleashed on the world knowing that he could have stopped all these Democrat policies with the stroke of a pen.

    I predict we’ll see a Rainbow House n a new Rainbow Flag with a new Rainbow Anthem in short order. I wonder how much time we have before the new Democrat run Rainbow Congress outlaws all other political parties except for a few token Republicans to preserve the figleaf of a pretend loyal opposition? I was a Republican election judge, but due to their treason to Trump’s supporters I will never vote Republican again for as long as I live.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  26. @Incitatus

    Why are we having this charade of Congress certifying the electoral votes in the first place if it is only ceremonial, and nothing can be done to change the outcome, no matter how much election fraud was committed? If this is the case, then this whole exercise in futility should be done away with, and Congress should do some real work for their constituents instead. We already knew what the electoral vote count is, so this ceremony of the Vice President counting the votes is meaningless. It’s all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  27. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    I like the actions today by the Right in DC.

    They should serve as a model going forward.

    Stand up and be counted.

    Confront the anarchists and other anti-American members of the Left. Stand up to the politicians.

    Shift the country back to normality and away from Marxism.

  28. RodW says:
    @Anon

    (There unfortunately exists no succinct reply to the argument-ender “Racist.”)

    Yes there is. It’s “Yes, that’s right. What are you going to do about it?”

  29. Thomasina says:
    @Incitatus

    Congress has failed the American people. They refused to look at the evidence, they refused to acknowledge the sworn affidavits. They embraced fraud instead. I don’t think you understand what the Constitution says.

    And of course the courts FAILED. The Supreme Court is a joke.

    Romney deserves disdain and scorn. Shame on all of them.

    Shame.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @Priss Factor
  30. Incitatus says:
    @Thomasina

    “Congress has failed the American people. They refused to look at the evidence…”

    It’s the business of the states and the courts to “look at the evidence” proffered in objection, prior to certification. All lawsuits over the last two months were rejected. All states certified the election.

    “And of course the courts FAILED. The Supreme Court is a joke”

    Courts packed by the GOP for years? Three SCOTUS justices under Trump? What’s the problem? They’re not taking your phone calls?

    Today was not a quest for truth – it was insurrection and sedition. All fanboyed by (soon to not be) POTUS.

    It didn’t work.

    Romney deserves praise for saying what it was.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Thomasina
  31. Thomasina says:
    @Sin City Milla

    They are a Uniparty (the Democrats and the Republicans). They work for the Chamber of Commerce, multinational corporations, Wall Street, Big Tech, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Ag, etc. They do not care about the people. It’s just show.

    Congressman Matt Gaetz gives a stirring speech:

    He mentioned that by using facial recognition, the authorities think that some of the protesters who stormed the Capitol were from Antifa.

    If so, what a ploy! Cause destruction, and then shame the people BEFORE they have the chance to shame you for not auditing the election and ramming through the crowning of an bogus president.

  32. Trump used populist votes to gain office and then used his office to gain respect rom the deep state.

    People who looked up to Trump voted for him, but Trump pandered to those who look down on him.

  33. @Thomasina

    Jews rule.

    If funny things happened on 11-3, and if Jews and Dems had raised hell, they would have combed over everything.

    Bu no one calls out on Jews.

  34. @Corvinus

    Of course, if you and your patriots feel differently, then storm D.C. on January 6, overtake the building where Congress is certifying the votes, and put Trump back in office.

    Oh, the delicious irony of hindsight.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  35. It’s a multi-step argument, but I think a case can be made that (certainly) Mike Pence but also and Mike Flynn were instrumental in planning this event calculated to demolish not merely Trump, & triumph of zionist rule over USA

    The “smoking gun” re Flynn is actually a shofar and the Jericho meme Flynn relied on in both post-election rallies in DC.
    PLUS Flynn’s collaboration with Michael Ledeen.

    Also, Pence was in the vanguard of turning Covid into a nation-buster.

    btw, did he make it on time to the plane for Israel?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pence-plans-to-visit-israel-bahrain-in-tour-starting-january-6-report/

    17 December 2020, 3:05 pm
    US Vice President Mike Pence will depart January 6 for a week-long tour to Israel, Bahrain and Poland — a week earlier than previously reported — the Politico website reports.

  36. @Corvinus

    Your logic fails at several levels.
    – In Pennsylvania, the number of votes do not equal the number of voters registered. The numbers certified by the Executive Branch are different than the actual numbers. That means while it may not definitively determine who won, the certification itself is fraudulent. If it is fraudulent, accepting the fraudulent results perpetuates the fraud.
    – In Georgia, there is security video evidence of 4 people ushering others out of the vote counting area, pulling out suitcases from under a table, then processing the contents of the suitcases as ballots. The video itself establishes fraudulent activity, where, once again, the votes counted do not match registered voters. The certification itself becomes a fraud, irrespective of the result.
    – In several states, the Executive Branch altered the rules for not-in-person voting established by the Legislature, usurping authority not assigned to it. By doing so, it invalidated all votes not cast in accordance with the laws of the state, yet those votes were counted, thereby committing a fraud. Several State Judicial Branches have upheld the actions of the Executive Branch. In doing so, those Judicial Branches become part of the fraud.
    – People know what illegal activities they saw. Some of them videoed and posted it.
    – Court orders to allow observers were ignored.
    In the above cases I

    know

    there were voting irregularities, which are fraud. Whether a corrupt political or judicial system recognizes it is a different question. Officially, JFK was shot by a lone gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository. While the official narrative has more holes than a cheesecloth and the majority of Americans know its bullshit, the story continues. What people know and what is officially recognized are two different things.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Cookie0
  37. @bayviking

    Greg Pallast is a windbag. Project Veritas, in 2016 released a recording of a Democrat apparatchik explaining how the fixed primaries by busing in people from other states, bragging they had been doing it for decades. Pallast remained fixed on Republican voter suppression.
    On or about November 4, 2020, former Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich, not only stated that the vote was stolen, but explained how it is done.
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/11/06/former-dem-governor-admits-democratic-voter-fraud-is-widespread-and-real-n2579632
    Pallast remained fixed on Republican voter suppression.
    They didn’t call Lyndon Johnson “Landslide Lyndon” in the 1940s for nothing. Sure, vote fraud and voter suppression happens and shouldn’t. The question is, how effective are they? There were 700k more mail in votes counted in Pennsylvania than were mailed out. Does Pallast’s Republican voter suppression count for Pennsylvania come anywhere near that single “irregularity”?

  38. Corvinus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The Pennsylvania and Georgia instances have already been debunked.

    The executive branch in those states had the authority under the law to expand already existing avenues to vote.

    When Trumpians find excuses for right-wing violent protesters and condemn left-wing protesters, one can understand their motives. They see right-wing protesters as being “their people” and the left-wing protesters as “the enemy”. They also have been conditioned that in every single instance, without fail, that Democrats/liberals cheat. It does not mean that Trumpian ideas are winning, that people agreed with their position, but rather the other side always finds a way to emerge victorious through nefarious ways. So it is other than surprising that Trumpians scrutinizes all our actions on a daily basis and presumes everyone others than them guilty until proven innocent, especially when questioned about the obvious flaws in the reasons and logic that widespread election fraud occurred.

    Basically, we should just trust their word because they are on the right side. I mean, when Alt Right leader Vox Day pronounces that a man (Trump) led an army against his own government, and the “Heroes of Capitol Hill” were betrayed by their fellow citizens, we must take heed! Certainly, those men and women are exactly like the Sons of Liberty who attacked the British in protest of the Stamp Act, right?

    Assuredly, it was a master class by Trump. He knew Pence was planning the double cross. He is simply another full-on peep Swamp Creature. He was testing the intensity of his support. Would enough show? Would we take it to the Swamp creatures ourselves when called upon? To both, he got a resounding yes.

    Yet, everyone, do not despair. The lesson, as always, is never trust a conservative. They are practitioners of the art of surrender. So, rise up Trumpians, because he will cross the Rubicon, and is depending on your support moving forward. He demands your fealty!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  39. Corvinus says:
    @TheJamesRocket

    Not hindsight, foresight. There is still time to help Trump cross the Rubicon. Why are you not helping him?

  40. Derer says:

    The dishonest MSM that campaigned for Biden and withheld from voters the Hunter Biden initiated investigation…according to the sound survey and analysis, about 4.6% voters unaware of the Hunter scandal would have switched for Trump, sufficient for reelection. It is not Russia but the despicably biased US media that interfered in this election.

    BTW, Trump has huge following and I predict he will create new “The American Party” away from the GOP. Some existing Washington GOP elite will join and some traitors will not but he will show up strong at the midterm election.

  41. Thomasina says:
    @Incitatus

    “All lawsuits over the last two months were rejected.”

    Yes, that’s why I said the courts failed. They didn’t want to see the evidence.

    “Courts packed by the GOP for years? Three SCOTUS justices under Trump? What’s the problem? They’re not taking your phone calls?”

    I don’t remember calling them. Maybe I thought it was pointless?

    “Today was not a quest for truth.”

    You are so correct. If it was, they would have heard the evidence. As it turned out, a “convenient” disruption changed their minds. Who would have thunk it?

    Romney, Mr. Private Equity, is a parasite.

  42. Cookie0 says:
    @gay troll

    The correct electoral vote count was 410 for Trump and 128 for Biden. The election was manipulated largely by previous PM Renzi of Italy and Barrack Obama. But the amount of evidence is irrelevant if there isn’t a court in the land that wants to hear it. To say this country is corrupt would be putting it more than mildly. If you’re interested: https://vocaroo.com/1e976QE4oDoy Hard to stop listening.

  43. Cookie0 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I thought it interesting also that John F.Kennedy,Jr was shot and killed one week after his famous speech in 1963 when he mentions, “There is a secret society that wants to enslave every man, woman and child, on earth and I intend to expose them before I leave office”. This speech was on youtube for a while and one week after making this speech the man was murdered.

    • Replies: @Miville
  44. Cookie0 says:
    @Corvinus

    People that hated Trump outnumbered no one and I think this may explain some of what went on and this hardly scratches the surface.

    EX PM Renzi of Italy and Obama gave Biden a little help: https://vocaroo.com/1e976QE4oDoy

    Please don’t ask everyone to believe a man that couldn’t string 2 sentences together received more votes than Obama or any other president in history. Too much to swallow.

  45. @Corvinus

    The Pennsylvania and Georgia instances have already been debunked.

    By whom?

    The executive branch in those states had the authority under the law to expand already existing avenues to vote.

    Bullshit. The law in Pennsylvania specifically stated ballots had to be received by 8pm election day, and if that wasn’t followed, other sections liberating mail in voting were voided. That is why Alito ordered the separation of ballots. The Executive Branch had gone to the Judicial Branch seeking permission to alter the legislation, and it was granted. The Judicial branch has no authority to create law any more than the Executive Branch has.
    It is people like you who are stuck in the outdated left-right, conservative-liberal political paradigm that are unable to see what is happening. I would go further. Even people like Sydney Powell and Lin Wood appear unable to separate something happening in a country from the government of a country. They too, are stuck in your paradigm.
    The people taking control are the globalist finance capitalists. If it suits them to have “conservatives” or “Republicans” as their political whores, that is who it will be. If it is “liberals” or “Democrats”, then that is who it will be. They rotate the political whores to make some more attractive than others, so that people think they have a choice. Every now and then someone will appear, like JFK or Trump who ever-so-mildly questions what is happening, in Trump’s case, it wasn’t corporatism, he’s okay with that. It was tepid nationalism. That person has to be crushed. JFK type assassinations are passe. Media concentration and electronic manipulation make crushing dissent a piece of cake, and elections a speed bump.
    I have said for years that Trump is flawed. Anyone who seeks the position has a massive ego and flaws. One of Trump’s flaws, it seems, is trusting people that work in a political environment. Another is a disbelief that people may not like him. Both have been fatal.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  46. Miville says:
    @Cookie0

    JFK is way overrated. FBI’s emperor Hoover held right the same speech again and again that had been the Democratic Party’s mainstay since Truman : “the individual is handicapped coming face to face with a conspiration of such a magnitude that he cannot believe it …” but ordinary Americans were to understand, as JFK himself had been very clear about it, that the world-wide secret society in question was International communism and anybody not is adoration before the forces of free market was part of it, or manipulated by it : JFK was already planning like R Reagan would do from 1980 onwards to reverse one by one all New Deal’s social security measures. Only a few university people were allowed to push their research deeper provided they reserved their speeches to specialized audiences. By that time International conspiracy theory was the main justification for vindicating the American military-industrial complex in spite of Eisenhower’s warning against it. JFK was killed mainly because he was far more useful to the Zionist establishment and especially to LBJ, who had premeditated right from 1960 to replace him by any means it would take, as a fake dead hero than as the real Nero he was. Had JFK survived he would have been remembered as kind of Irish Catholic Obama. There has been absolutely no chance that any good guy come to such a position since Benjamin Franklin.

  47. Corvinus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “By whom?”

    By a number of sources you outright have dismissed. But perhaps you can inform the viewing audience how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers linked to Dominion in Germany, according to Sidney Powell;

    2) Trump’s cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Ware County, GA and Antrim County, MI , votes had been purposely switched for Biden -and-

    3) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of his term (it was supposed to be by the end of December).

    “Bullshit. The law in Pennsylvania specifically stated ballots had to be received by 8pm election day, and if that wasn’t followed, other sections liberating mail in voting were voided. That is why Alito ordered the separation of ballots. The Executive Branch had gone to the Judicial Branch seeking permission to alter the legislation, and it was granted. The Judicial branch has no authority to create law any more than the Executive Branch has.”

    About 10,000 ballots arrived after a three day grace period. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court extended that deadline in September because of mail delivery delays and the pandemic, employing a provision of the State Constitution protecting “free and equal elections”.

    In other states where mail-in balloting was conducted, the secretary of state used their discretion.

    “It is people like you who are stuck in the outdated left-right, conservative-liberal political paradigm that are unable to see what is happening”.

    More than likely, this paradigm continues to be in working operation for individuals to follow, which clearly you are not a fan of.

    “The people taking control are the globalist finance capitalists.”

    I would say there is truth to what you say here, but you’re going to have to be more specific here.

  48. I wasn’t referencing the numbers shifting by voting machines. Their own records don’t match, irrespective of whether votes were switched. Their records show mail in ballots were received from people who neither requested nor received ballots. That is fraud. The numbers certified were different than the final reported numbers, irrespective of whether votes were switched. Certifying incorrect numbers is a fraud. If one dead person voted, there is election fraud, and if the certified numbers include that one dead voter, they are a fraud.
    Nowhere do election laws say a little bit of fraud is okay, or that the known fraud needs to be large enough to overturn the results. How do you know the extent of a fraud until you investigate?
    Failure to investigate, by the Executive Branch, is complicity in the fraud.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  49. Corvinus says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “I wasn’t referencing the numbers shifting by voting machines.”

    That has been debunked.

    “Their records show mail in ballots were received from people who neither requested nor received ballots. That is fraud.”

    Not quite.

    https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/press-releases/voter-alert-receive-a-mail-in-ballot-without-requesting-one-check-your-status/

    “The numbers certified were different than the final reported numbers, irrespective of whether votes were switched. Certifying incorrect numbers is a fraud.”

    Not quite.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9887147615

    “How do you know the extent of a fraud until you investigate?”

    It was investigated. Furthermore, Trump’s lawyers were not alleging the type of fraud you claim in open court. We’ve been through this part already.

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