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Respect LBGT rights or get out of the EU, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte instructed Hungary’s Viktor Orban at last week’s gathering of the European Union in Brussels.

According to Reuters, attendees described it as the “most intense personal clash among the bloc’s leaders in years.”

What caused the clash?

Hungary just passed a law that bans schools from using materials seen as pro-homosexuality. According to the AP, the new law “prohibits sharing content on homosexuality or sex reassignment to people under 18 in school sex education programs, films or advertisements.”

Rutte eagerly related details of his confrontation with Orban: “It was really forceful, a deep feeling that this could not be. It was about our values; this is what we stand for.”

“I said, ‘Stop this; you must withdraw the law, and if you don’t like that and really say that the European values are not your values, then you must think about whether to remain in the European Union.'”

Orban calls himself a freedom fighter and defender of traditional Catholic values who believes in democracy but not liberalism: “The Hungarian nation is not a mere pile of individuals.”

Almost everyone apparently came down hard on Orban.

European Council President Charles Michel reminded Orban “that values such as freedom, tolerance and human dignity are at the heart of the EU.”

Several EU member states signed a letter declaring: “Respect and tolerance are at the core of the European project. We are committed to carry on with this effort, making sure that future European generations grow up in an atmosphere of equality and respect.”

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres was in the meeting and, asked about Hungary’s new law, replied: “All forms of discrimination are totally unacceptable and obviously any form of discrimination in relation to LGBTQ+ people are totally unacceptable.”

The issues raised by this confrontation are many.

First, those who warned in the 1960s that the EU, which began as a European Coal and Steel Community, a French-German free-trade zone of six nations, would inevitably evolve and expand into a transnational regime that would seek to impose its “values” on its members have been proven right.

And what are “EU values”? Who declares them; who defines them?

Christian teachings have a pedigree that goes back millennia.

But what is the source of moral authority for modernity’s doctrine that homosexuality is moral, other than some transient ideology, which Russell Kirk reminded us is political religion?

What is the source of the morality that teaches same-sex unions are the equal of traditional marriage and any government that does not agree is a bigoted regime with which we ought not associate?

For the stand the EU takes today — that homosexuality is natural and normal and should be morally and legally the equal to other forms of sexual expression — flatly contradicts those Christian beliefs and values that Europe itself reflected at the EU’s infancy.

Do values change? Or are people simply converted to new faiths, new beliefs, new ideas and new “values” that contradict the old ones that were taught and believed for centuries?

If tolerance is, as Michel declares, an EU value, is the canopy of tolerance not wide enough, and the big tent of tolerance not large enough, to include the Christian values Orban espouses, though they contradict the EU values that Rutte and others declare?

Is not Hungary being subjected to EU discrimination for the moral offense of holding on to beliefs that differ from the new EU consensus?

Is the EU’s liberalism so intolerant of dissent it would expel an EU member who does not embrace its 21st-century teachings on LGBT rights?

Not until this century in the USA was homosexuality declared a constitutional right. Justice Antonin Scalia famously dissented from that decision.

And if Hungary holds to ideas and beliefs Scalia held, and tens of millions of Americans still hold, but is forced out of the EU for so doing, why would we Americans not stand behind Hungary’s right to dissent?

American values, once declared to be freedom, liberty and independence, have evolved into inclusiveness, diversity and tolerance.

Which brings us to the cancel culture.

Where is the tolerance here for differences of belief about whether homosexuality is moral? Cannot those who reject newly established opinion still be included in the company of decent men? Or do the values of inclusion and diversity not extend that far?

Why should disbelievers in the moral equality of homosexuality be excluded from the circle of decent men?

We’re getting close here to what cancel culture is all about.

Are future European generations to be taught that the Christian position on homosexuality was backward, bigoted and hateful and that its abandonment marked a major step in human progress?

If the Hungarian people and nation find that EU values conflict with their Catholic and Hungarian values, they should declare their independence of the EU as anything other than a trading bloc.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. Since 2012, United States officials said, the American government has spent more than \$41 million specifically to promote gay rights globally, along with a portion of \$700 million earmarked for marginalized groups to support gay communities and causes. More than half of the \$700 million, and \$6.6 million of the \$41 million, was spent on sub-Saharan Africa — just one indication of the continent’s importance to the new policy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/world/africa/us-support-of-gay-rights-in-africa-may-have-done-more-harm-than-good.html

  2. Orban calls himself a freedom fighter and defender of traditional Catholic values

    A defender of Christian values.

    Hungary has a large (and disproportionately patriotic) Protestant minority, including Orban himself.

    • Disagree: Fr. John
    • Replies: @Carlo
    , @Skeptikal
    , @Fr. John
  3. Not ‘gay rights’ but Gay Rites. It’s legal for homos to be homo in Hungary. What homos are demanding is worship celebration of homo-ness. Notice how it’s not even ‘gay pride’ anymore but merely Pride = Homo Vanity.

    What Jewish-controlled EU is demanding is globo-homo propaganda for children, the kind that led 50% of British youths to be confused about their ‘gender’.

    It’s no longer a matter of basic rights but holy rites of globo-homo as the new cult-religion of the West, proxy for Jewish Power.

    Jews know homos are vain and narcissistic and alienated from their own cultures. So, Jews fund homos in every nation and use them as collaborationist agents. Also, something like globo-homo undermines the moral righteousness of a people. A morally weakened people lack spine.

    Imagine if jesus has been into something like globo-homo and tranny nuttery. Supposed he believed that his role was to revere the likes of George Floyd. Would he have had the moral courage and righteous rage to flog the money-changers in the Temple? Of course not. He would have been like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, or Lindsey Graham or any other gutless deracinated scum.

    Hungary needs to get out and join with Russia. Hungary must get beyond Cold War thinking. True, during the Cold War Hungary was under Soviet-Russian rule. But in retrospect, didn’t Soviet rule spare Hungary from the degradations of Western capitalist degeneracy and decadence that turned vice into the new virtue?

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  4. These were only the degenerate Western European countries. No ex-Communist EU country did sign, or even thought of signing that piece of shit.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  5. I have no idea if it’s politically possible but Hungary should get out. The EU is falling apart anyway. So is the US.

    • Replies: @aj54
  6. Skeptikal says:

    Stand your ground, Victor Orban!!

    The expats and refugees from the cancel madness will be flocking to Hungary’s door!

    Oh, and P.S.
    F— the EU!

    • Agree: Fox, Kolya Krassotkin
  7. Carlo says:
    @John Gruskos

    Exactly. Orban himself is a Calvinist.

  8. Skeptikal says:
    @John Gruskos

    Interesting factoid—Orban’s being a Protestant.

    The Unitarians were well represented in Romania.

    Also among Hungarians in Romania.

    Maybe in Hungary as well.

  9. anon[709] • Disclaimer says:

    Orban (and Hungary) to EU (and Marc Rot): Shove it!

    5ds

    • Replies: @Realist
  10. Chris Moore says: • Website

    What Jewish-controlled EU is demanding is globo-homo propaganda for children, the kind that led 50% of British youths to be confused about their ‘gender’… Jews know homos are vain and narcissistic and alienated from their own cultures. So, Jews fund homos in every nation and use them as collaborationist agents. Also, something like globo-homo undermines the moral righteousness of a people. A morally weakened people lack spine.

    Homosexuality isn’t known as “the English disease” for nothing. It really should be known as the “Anglo-Zionist upper crust disease,’ for that’s who is behind all of this — upper class English inbreds in bed with upper class ((Jewish)) inbreds.

    That the EU dances to their tune is just more evidence that the wrong side won WW2. The actual soldiers who did the fighting and dying in WW2? Why, today they’re considered racist White homophobes. Which just goes to show what contempt the decadent, imperious Globohomo upper crust has for normal folk.

    I’d like to see the entire Globohomo ZOG gay bashed. They’re S&M freaks anyway, so they’ll enjoy it. They get what they want (and deep down, know they deserve) and Western Civilization can pick up where it left off before Anglo-ZOG hijacked it and installed its nancy-boy and nancy-butch yes men/womyn to deconstruct it in favor of some Globohomo Zion utopia fantasy where Talmudist rabbis can suck penis day and night (all to cleanse the wound, doncha know?).

    • Agree: Josh Kenn
    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  11. SafeNow says:

    On-topic, to me: Hungary’s Family Dog Project, founded in 1994, is the world’s largest institute devoted to studying and enhancing the cognitive and behavioral aspects of the relationship between man and man’s best friend. The connotation of the LBGT assault against Hungary is a demonization of Hungary’s values. The FDP is sensitive, compassionate, and scientific, and says a lot about Hungary’s humane values.

  12. (((european values)))

    Name them, good sir.

  13. @Priss Factor

    Always puzzled why taking it up the ass from other men should be a source of pride.

  14. It is Rutte that is out of step with what Europeans want. No one I know of approves of ramming any form of sexuality down children’s throats. If people are “born that way” what need is there to push children down that road to a pointless life that doesn’t produce children?

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Fox, nokangaroos
  15. Realist says:
    @anon

    Orban (and Hungary) to EU (and Marc Rot): Shove it!

    …or Suck it!

  16. Wyatt says:
    @Irish Savant

    Because idiots with daddy issues don’t want to confront their problems and assimilate into the greater society of shutting the fuck up about the nasty shit they do. Instead, their insecurity becomes outwardly manifested and gets taken up by left leaning mental defectives and ashkenazi jews who also want to pretend like they’re outstanding people by championing other mental defectives.

  17. SteveK9 says:

    Two ‘blocs’ are coming into existence. Hungary might consider joining the Russia/China/India/Iran bloc. It might be difficult to leave their ‘home’ in Western Europe, and joining Russia will be distasteful to those with a long memory, but it might work better for them.

  18. Basz megy Rutte

    Éljen a Magyár

    In case anyone wonders when the end of the world began, it was June 28, 1914. No, it wasn’t the Archduke, who was just a convenience. The war was being cooked up before that for simple but crass motives, mostly greed, waiting for the right crisis. They certainly didn’t let that one go to waste (from their perspective).

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @El Dato
    , @bispora
  19. fondolo says:

    If we had a real Pope he would declare that all European Catholics must oppose membership in the EU. and What would Calvin think?

  20. @SafeNow

    Ah, I see Hungary is on the way to the K9’s from “Starship Troopers”.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  21. Escher says:

    U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres was in the meeting and, asked about Hungary’s new law, replied: “All forms of discrimination are totally unacceptable and obviously any form of discrimination in relation to LGBTQ+ people are totally unacceptable.”

    Has he said the same things to Saudi Arabia and China?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  22. SafeNow says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the Starship k9 allusion (I am old) and had to look it up. In any case, I hope many people will agree that the way a society cares about its dogs is one barometer for how the society is doing. I will note that here in unraveled California, there is a giant population of shelter dogs that are pit bulls and chihuahuas — bought on a whim, for the wrong reasons, and then abandoned.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  23. Altai says:

    First, those who warned in the 1960s that the EU, which began as a European Coal and Steel Community, a French-German free-trade zone of six nations, would inevitably evolve and expand into a transnational regime that would seek to impose its “values” on its members have been proven right.

    Except in this case these were already the values in every one of the 15 member states prior to the expansion into the East at the behest of the US state department in 2004.

    It was ,indeed, the massive amount of EU migration post 2004 that led so many of the working classes in Britain to become more animated about EU membership and leaving. The middle class ‘Little Englanders’ weren’t enough to take Brexit over the line, it was working class Britons displaced spatially, and economically by Eastern Europeans that did it.

    The EU can’t come to terms with this because other than Ireland no other country absorbed so many Eastern Europeans so they don’t get it.

    Regardless, even a non-woke Western Europe has nothing to gain and not much in common with Eastern Europe and should shunt them off into their own union anyway. To paraphrase Ann Coulter, when did Western Europe agree to marry Eastern Europe?

  24. Trinity says:

    What Would Nixon Do?

    What Would Patron Saint Ronald Reagan Do?

  25. @fondolo

    Yeah, I wish we had a “real” odd, cloistered, wifeless, childless “man” who purports to have special authority from God and gives orders to actual normal adult men and women thousands of miles away. We need a better class of corrupt, irrational, homosexuality-promoting dictators.

    A better solution? Withdraw from both the EU and the Roman Catholic racket.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  26. Fox says:
    @Capt Barty

    That’s what I think oftentimes, too. June 28, 1914 was the fateful day when the events were set in motion which led to the steep decline of the White Race’s prospects and the situation now with the traitors to our peoples in the seats of power.
    Hopefully, there will be a future for us in which the instigators of the assassination of the Archduke and all the especially clever statesmen of that time who welcomed in secret that event as a long-desired chance to attain their simpleminded small goals of territorial gains, striking down a trade rival, or wreaking revenge will be disavowed and cast from memory. So much evil, so much stupidity deserves no less than expunction from the human record.

  27. @Chris Moore

    Time for a bit of ingroup-outgroup moral assorting.

    One of the stupidest things mankind does is support ingroups that are destructive to his survival while being in an outgroup.

  28. @SafeNow

    Pack animals run with pack animals.

  29. Miro23 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    These were only the degenerate Western European countries. No ex-Communist EU country did sign, or even thought of signing that piece of shit.

    Visegrad dislike Gay-Europa as much as Russia does. Neither of them want LGBT to be pushed in their media and schools, so that frontier between Eastern and Western Europe is still there.

  30. aj54 says:
    @WorkingClass

    pretty sure the people of Hungary would rather leave than kowtow any longer to unelected EU official proclamations

  31. @fondolo

    Pope Francis is full on board with globo-homo, which is precisely why he’s so beloved by “elites, including atheists among them. He will never condemn the promotion of gay rights.

    Francis talks compassion but openly loathes trad-Catholics, whose numbers grow, even as those of the 1960’s hootnany-style Catholics of the Joe Biden variety wane. Like everywhere else, there is a rift also growing within the Catholic Church.

  32. @Irish Savant

    What a strange world we live in where such acts are glamorized and glorified.

  33. @SafeNow

    If I recall, it’s a late 50s or 60s sci-fi novel.

    I agree there, it’s one of the nice things watching East Asian culture adopt something genuinely positive about the modern West, ha ha.

    Ah, yes. Cruel people living in a past mental age. Both dogs had purposes that are long since passed outside of very specific modern enterprises. I wouldn’t mind a form of punishment for such people.

  34. Rutte is an uphill gardener himself so it’s hardly surprising.

  35. El Dato says:
    @Capt Barty

    Once could consider WWI as the inability of the Euro-crusties to deal with the efficacy of modern technology on the battlefield and to politically solve the extremely suicidal prisoner’s dilemma that came out it. Including the desire of the British Empire crusties to keep a “balance of forces” on the continent, even if they have to throw their rural population into the mouth of the shredder to do so. (“It hurts you more than it does me” said the Carthaginian deity).

    That war should have been over by November 1914.

    News: EU persona returns to Poland, declares war on evil:

    Former EU chief Donald Tusk returns to Polish politics in bid to unseat ‘evil’ ruling party

    Donald Tusk has made a dramatic re-entry to domestic politics, after the former Polish prime minister and ex-president of the European Council was named the acting head of the opposition Civic Platform (PO) party.

    Civic Platform’s national council elected Tusk vice-chair of the party, designating him acting head until an election to choose a party leader is held later this year. Tusk, who is currently chairman of the European People’s Party – the EU’s largest coalition of center-right parties – co-founded Civic Platform in 2001. In recent years, the liberal party has struggled at the polls.

    Speaking before a PO party conference on Saturday, Tusk said he was “back 100%,” and wasted no time in taking aim at his old nemesis, the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party.

    “The evil that PiS is performing is evident, shameless and permanent. It’s happening every day, in almost every matter,” Tusk said. He accused the government of violating women’s rights, climate change denial, and mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis. The ruling right-wing coalition is also guilty of corruption and damaging Poland’s relationship with its EU partners, the veteran politician alleged.

    Tusk singled out PiS leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski, claiming that he was responsible for Poland’s “complete isolation” on the international stage.

    While I think a lot of Polish politics is braindead and shows retardation and willingness to fellate the US on the level of wreckship Ukraine, I hope this won’t go anywhere.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  36. Renoman says:

    The harder I look at the World’s problems the more I conclude they are largely because of the the pride movement. The Queens will never be satisfied. We’ll have to put them down and jam them back in the closet where they belong.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  37. tyrone says:

    Romans chapter 1 verses 18 to 32 …….that’s about the size of it.

  38. Steven80 says:

    10 EU Member states did not support Rutte – Pat, check your sources. The whole European East is against homo-propaganda (and Portugal didn’t sign either)
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4ketnyXIAEUkYo?format=jpg&name=900×900

  39. Anon 2 says:
    @El Dato

    You said, “While I think a lot of American politics is brain dead.”
    As you can see, I fixed it for you.

    Let me cite a few facts comparing the Third World country known
    as the U.S. to the civilized country known as Poland:

    – No. of same-sex marriages performed in Poland: zero
    – No. of children adopted by Polish gay couples: zero
    – No. of children becoming transgender in Poland: zero
    – No. of Muslim migrants admitted into Poland: zero
    – No. of terrorist attacks in Poland: zero
    – No. of school shootings in Poland: zero
    – No. of white persons kneeling before blacks in Poland: zero
    – No. of homeless in Poland: close to zero
    – No. of mass shootings in Poland: close to zero
    – No. of abortions performed in Poland: close to zero
    – No. of deaths due to opioid addiction in Poland: zero or close to zero
    – No. of deaths due to HIV in Poland: close to zero

    etc. etc.

    Why don’t you go and learn something before you post here.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  40. nsa says:

    Another mass unmarked grave “discovered” on roman catholic grounds in Canada……..this time the bodies of 750 children in Saskatchewan. No death certificates, no documentation, no nothing. Is it not now time to outlaw this murderous pedophile cult, prosecute the perps, confiscate their vast holdings and distribute the proceeds amongst the millions of victims? 2000 years of murder, torture, kiddie rape, perversion, mayhem, ignorance is enough. Just outlaw the vile cultists and hang the fat little faggot fraud in the gold hat.

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  41. @RadicalCenter

    Per Radical Center, referring to the Woke Catholic Pope: “We need a better class of corrupt, irrational, homosexuality-promoting dictators.”

    What comes to my mind is that you could just as easily have been talking about the illegitimately “selected” brain-dead old geezer occupying the White House.

    Regarding his promotion of homosexuals, trannies, and nation wrecking open borders, Old Joe loves to emote (just as Dutch PM Rutte attempted to lecture Mr. Orban): “It’s who WE are.” No Old Man, it’s not who WE are, it’s who YOU are! You don’t speak for millions of us, and you never will.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  42. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    An addendum: The best piece of advice I can offer is this –

    Think of the Polish as extraterrestrials – they are so holy
    they don’t belong in this world. They are from another dimension

  43. Hungary SHOULD bail out of the ZioFront EU.
    Then, resurrect the old Austrian Spahrbuch private banking device.
    Smash their Rothschild central bank, emulate the crushed-by-jews Reichsmark.
    Expell the World Bank and IMF.
    Force the closure of the Israeli embassy, consulates and NGOs.
    Tell ZOGs everywhere to get stuffed.
    Develop a nuclear arsenal.
    Ramp up ammunition production to break the contrived shortage.
    Then, tell EVERYONE that doesn’t like it to GO EFF YOURSELVES !

    • Agree: anarchyst, Fox, Skeptikal
  44. Art Deco says:

    Is it jejune to point out that what they’re objecting to is the removal of references to sexual deviance in school curricula, as if it were properly some gay rando’s enforceable entitlement that his subculture have it’s share of the textbook word count and lecture time?

  45. anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps Victor Orban should just tell Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte to go stick his finger in one of his leaky dikes.

  46. anarchyst says:
    @nsa

    Birth and death certificates were not used in the 1800s and early 1900s. Records, if any were nonexistent or poorly kept. There was no need for them. Diseases were rampant.

    • Replies: @nsa
  47. nsa says:
    @anarchyst

    “birth and death certificates were not used in the 1800s and early 1900s”
    The catholic run residential “schools” (sadistic kiddie rape camps) were operating well into the 1990s. The death rate has been estimated to be 50%. Disease? The catholic cultists refuse to release the records as to names and cause of death. Plenty of the perp rape camp operators are still alive. Why aren’t they being prosecuted and the catholic pedophile cult outlawed and their vast assets confiscated? Just imagine the uproar if 750 of your precious jew nits were found in an unmarked mass grave in north america, with lots more unmarked grave locations known but not being investigated.

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Fox
  48. anarchyst says:
    @nsa

    I agree with you that these “residential schools” need to be investigated and that any irregularities need to be properly addressed. Yes, since this implicates the Catholic Church it should also implicate the Canadian government who instituted these schools. It was wrong to remove people from their native culture.

    Here is a little history on burials within the Christian (not just Catholic) church systems:
    Remains of those who died were traditionally buried in graveyards. After six months or so, the remains were removed and re-interred in mass graves. This was done as graveyards were limited in size and as such, “room” had to be made for “new arrivals”.
    This was the custom in Europe. Is it possible that this custom made its way to the New World?

    You should temper your hatred of the Catholic Church. Not all Catholic hierarchy is responsible for the mistakes, errors, transgressions and even criminality of some.

    • Agree: Fox
  49. bispora says:
    @Capt Barty

    Correctly:
    Baszd meg Rutte! (Fuck off Rutte)
    Éljen a Magyar! (Long live the Magyar)

  50. Something deeply wrong with any society that makes some sort of fetish–celebrates, promotes–homosexuals.

    For any nation to survive it needs to celebrate its own people/culture and their survival and reproduction into the future–ergo healthy marriage/sex/fertility.

    All this queer stuff–along with immigrationism–is just a flashing red warning that the West is dying. Adopt minoritarianism–you die.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  51. Fox says:
    @nsa

    You are talking nonsense.

  52. Fr. John says:
    @John Gruskos

    “Orban calls himself a freedom fighter and defender of traditional Catholic values

    A defender of Christian values.

    Hungary has a large (and disproportionately patriotic) Protestant minority, including Orban himself.”

    That’s like saying, “Because this one lake is mine, because I bought the property at a fire sale, I now own all the water in the world.”

    Orthodox Christianity was before Papal Rome, which was before Protestant schimaticism, which was before the EU, which was before Orban.

    What saith Scripture? ““Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness, you who seek the Lord: look to the rock from which you were hewn, and to the quarry from which you were dug.” – Is. 51:1

    Protestants have NOTHING that they didn’t get from Rome, who had NOTHING that they didn’t get from when they were part of the Organic, Living Orthodox Faith.

    Even the Westminster Confession of Faith acknowledges the Fathers’ and their indebtitude- and it, the premier English Calvinist document of the Reformed Faith!!!

    Don’t try to lecture your betters, son.

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