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A voracious and eclectic reader, President Nixon instructed me to send him every few weeks 10 articles he would not normally see that were on interesting or important issues.

In 1971, I sent him an essay from The Atlantic, with reviews by Time and Newsweek, by Dr. Richard Herrnstein. My summary read:

“Basically, (Herrnstein) demonstrates that heredity, rather than environment, determines intelligence — and that the more we proceed to provide everyone with a ‘good environment’ the more heredity will become the dominant factor … in their success and social standing.”

In a 1994 obituary, The New York Times wrote that Herrnstein, though he “was often harassed … and his classes at Harvard were disrupted,” never recanted his heresy. He wrote “I.Q. and Meritocracy” in 1973, and in 1994 co-authored with Charles Murray the hugely controversial “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.”

What brought this back was a piece buried in the “B” section of The Washington Post about the incoming class at Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Fairfax County.

TJ High is an elite magnet school that admits students based on their academic aptitude and achievement and offers “courses in differential equations, artificial intelligence and neuroscience.”

According to the Post, 70 percent of the incoming freshmen are Asians, the highest percentage ever for a school already 60 percent Asian. Ten years ago, the student body was 32 percent Asian.

White students make up 29 percent of the school today, but are only 22 percent of the entering class. The class of 2019 will have 346 Asians and 102 whites, but only 12 Hispanics and 8 blacks.

Of the 2,841 applicants for 2015, one in four Asians was admitted and one in eight whites, but only one in 16 Hispanics and one in 25 black students. Of low-income students, only one in 33 applicants got in.

What do these numbers tell us?

Thomas Jefferson High is a meritocracy where the ideological dictates of “diversity” do not apply. Second, Asian students, based either on nature or nurture, heredity or environment, or both, are, as of today, superior in the hard sciences to other ethnic groups.

These numbers suggest that as Asian Americans rise from 5 percent of the U.S. population to 15, they are going to dominate the elite high schools and colleges devoted to STEM studies: science, technology, engineering, mathematics.

And in the professions built around expertise in science and technology, to which private and public capital will be directed, the social standing of Asian Americans is going to rise, leaving black, Hispanic, low-income and poor Americans further behind.

In the Post article, there is no breakdown of which Asian minorities excelled. In international competitions among high school students, Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are the top scorers, above Filipinos, Vietnamese and Indonesians.

Two years ago, an activist group filed a complaint against Fairfax County with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights alleging that the admissions process at TJ High discriminates against blacks, Hispanics and the poor.

ORDER IT NOW

But as the white share of the student body at TJ High is falling fastest, if there is discrimination, the admissions process must be giving an unfair break to Asians. For it is Asians who are the biggest beneficiaries of what is going on at the school.

Why are Asian kids succeeding spectacularly?

Is it because they are naturally talented at STEM studies? Is it because they have a better work ethic? Is it because their parents demand they get their homework done and monitor their grades? Is it because far fewer Asians come from broken homes?

It cannot be that Asians have been more privileged.

Chinese laborers in the Old West were terribly treated. Japanese were excluded and put into camps during World War II. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos and Vietnamese here are largely from families that endured the hell of the Asian wars of the 20th century.

And while Fairfax County generously supports its school, it does not spend what D.C. does. And how are D.C. schools doing?

The Post reported yesterday: “Only 58 percent of D.C. students graduate high school within four years, and only about half of students are proficient in reading and math.”

So how is TJ High responding to its Asian problem?

Jeremy Shughart, admissions director at TJ, has a committee “reviewing the application process to improve diversity at the school.”

Says Shughart, “The committee is looking at a variety of admissions components and making recommendations for possible adjustments to future admissions cycles. … (We) will continue to work on increasing diversity at TJHSST and will continue to pursue outreach efforts to ensure talented underrepresented populations of students with a passion for math and science consider, apply to, and attend… Fairfax County Public Schools believes in the value of diversity.”

That is bureaucratic gobbledygook for saying they are going to start looking closer at the race and ethnicity of student applicants and begin using this criteria to bring in some — and to reject others.

Race discrimination, against Asians, is coming to Fairfax County.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book “The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority.”

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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    What about there being ‘too many blacks’ in high school, college, and especially professional sports?

    LA has lots of Mexicans, but how many Mexicans are on the LA Lakers or LA football team?

    Seattle is mostly white but the entire defensive linemen of the Seattle Seahawks are black.

    Discrimination!!

    Actually, it is nature that is discriminatory.

    So, how about suing mother nature?

    Someone should do a satirical play on that subject:

    Progressives vs Mother Nature.

    Progs charge Mother Nature of racial inequalities and Mother Nature explains why.
    She says she had to make the races differently to suit them to different environments cuz otherwise they would not have survived.
    If she had made blacks like Swedes, they would have died of skin cancer in hot Africa. If she had made Eskimos like black Africans, they would have died of exposure.

    • Replies: @Renoman
  2. Maj. Kong says:

    A Lee Kuan Yew could never hold power in this country, but he is exactly what is needed.

  3. Mr. Shughart will be out of a job in a few years for pissing off the families of the 70 percent.

  4. “A voracious and eclectic reader, President Nixon instructed me to send him every few weeks 10 articles he would not normally see that were on interesting or important issues.”

    Try to imagine Lyndon Johnson making such a request. Try.

  5. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    This post by Pat is the reason why I have never sent a penny into vdare.com. I could care less if Asians in America experience discrimination.

    My large Irish Catholic Family experienced first hand the economic violence of the open and deliberate policy of importing legal immigrant Asian scab labor. The psychopathically greedy Gruman Corp Management annihilated its Native Born White American Male Engineering work force….massive layoffs and at the same time hiring of Asian legal immigrant engineering scab workers…

    I actually spoke to Pat about this personally before he hopped into his limousine in front of the Book Review in Huntington(The night Pat was interviewed by MNSBC an the second level of the Book Review..).

    Native Born White American Southerners have been driven out of Northern Virginia by Asian legal immigrants and their US born geneline…no commentary by Pat about this.

    The IQ test score and race issue is 100 percent irrelevant to the race-replacement issue. I argued this point for 7 years over at American Rennaissance quite successfully only to be booted out of the comments section over there by Jared Taylor….I am certain that some you have seen my comments there on this issue….

    Debate me…..

  6. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Malcolm Pirne Engineering Corp in Westchester County did the exact same thing as Grumman Corp…Massive layoffs of the Native Born White American Male Engineering Work Force and at the same time hired legal immigrant Asian…Muslim…and some African scab labor engineers….These days Malcolm Pirne brags about its commitment to diversity on its website..

    In Calverton there rests perched on top of a concrete mount wings swept back in supersonic flight position the last F-14 Fighter Jet by Calverton Gruman Corp..1979..my late Irish Catholic Fathers’ name is chiseled into the bricks that visitors to the Calverton Memorial walk on as they stare up at the last F-14 ever made by Gruman Corp…along with the names of all the other Native Born White American Male Engineers and technicians that designed and worked on the F-14 Fighter Jet….

    The area surrounding Gruman Corp has been annexed by India apparently….

    I could give a rats arse about IQ test score psychometrics and Asians….

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There a lot of high achievers among them, the “genius” by hbd and Therman perspective but in reality, most of high achievers aren’t geniuses, otherwise, because many them tend to be stupid to very important things. A lot of liberal naivette high iq are high achievers, a lot of celebrities, a lot of politicians. Creativity and wisdom are very important cognitive components and famous east wisdom is only the echoes of the distant past of philosophical achievement.
    Quantitatively speaking, east asians, on average, look better than caucasians with many high achievers, but is very important analyse the quality them too.
    White natives everywhere are being attacked by psychological war by those retard chosen ones ( sorry, but the enormous idiotic attitudes of this tribe made me to use this realistic adjective).
    These comparisons of sterile achievements today are counter producent.
    The probable higher proportion of. ( “real” ) gifted and creatives among euros and unbalanced proportion of high achievers among east asians can explain this “east asian paradox”. You guys should read what special educators of gifted students have produced. The giftedness don’t finish in Terman, only begin there.

    Santoculto

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And, mass immigration of million high-achievers of the most populous country to Murrica to “take” incidentally the places of millions of Young native people is not meritocracy in its roots.

    Santoculto

  9. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s called importing the highly racialized Democratic Party Voting Block from China….In addition to its very nasty demographic consequences….there are also some very nasty and gruesome ecological consequences for the State of Virgnia’s Riparian Ecosystems in the form of the invasive species from China known as the Giant Snakehead Fish and its cousins now ecologically destabilizing the State of Virginia’s Riparian Ecosystems….Be carefull when you fall out of your kayak on the bucolic Potomic River….for you might be painfully relieved of your Family Jewels by a hungry Giant Snakehead!!!!

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  10. Maj. Kong says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    This post by Pat is the reason why I have never sent a penny into vdare.com. I could care less if Asians in America experience discrimination.

    There are too many white liberals doped into egalitarianism for us to win power without breaking up the Democratic coalition.

    The Tiger Mother is the Reagan Democrat of today.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  11. Realist says:

    Meritocracy always. What are the benefits of racial diversity?

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  12. @War for Blair Mountain

    I imagine that what you said was a good thing, because i think that i understand partially. Well, I’m not a native US, Amerindian, black, white or even a native yellow, but I think it’s not fair that millions of Chinese immigrate en masse to this country and increase competition. However, it is noteworthy that one of the reasons for the East Asian tend to be so good at technical cognitive abilities (long-term memory usage, balanced personal motivations combined with replication capacity of the knowledge acquired) is because they were selected from the times of Confucius and also because him. Therefore, it is easy to explain why they look so smart at first sight. Because the bureaucratic model implemented in the West, used to decant =appropriate= qualities of individuals in anthills as empires are characterized, is much like the one that already exists for many centuries in the East.

    A fun analogy

    I want a group of runners. Let’s put (east) Africans, Europeans and Asians. I wonder who will be overrepresented at the end *

    Without respect of cognitive diversity, real and important diversity,

    We will continue to think that sterile results of achievement are better than REAL (nano or everyday life, micro or macro) results. I do not care if a person made a perfect SAT, because I prefer for one who can lead a life of (real) empathy and wisdom, not to mention, it is not unusual for people with these traits also may not have high capacities that are required in the sciences.

    In addition, the hbd community is full of teachers, among other working within universities. Soon, they will present strong tendency to consider those who are similar to them, as geniuses when in fact, there is a clear diversity of types. This is a very sophisticated form of dogmatic belief system. Dogma = ego, primarily.

    If I prefer someone who has a combination of genuine empathy and practical wisdom to govern the country where I live, so that means I’m not going into contradiction hypocritical to accept the current rulers of much of the nations, which are precisely known by the lack these traits as well as the expected results when charismatic psychopaths high iq are in charge.

    Anonymous

  13. Realist says:

    “Second, Asian students, based either on nature or nurture, heredity or environment, or both, are, as of today, superior in the hard sciences to other ethnic groups.”

    Not true, Jews lead the pack so to speak.

  14. Realist says:

    “Diversity — Or Meritocracy?”

    A better question is Democracy— Or Meritocracy?

    Again the answer is Meritocracy.

  15. Realist says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    ” I could care less if Asians in America experience discrimination.”

    I couldn’t care less…..

    There fixed it for you.

  16. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Realist

    Thanks for removing the bird crap off the front window of my brain.

  17. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Keep in mind 70% of Asians voted for Obama.

    The hell with those a**holes.

  18. @Realist

    Yup, that’s a particularly annoying usage.

    In my mind second only to “Irregardless”

    and ahead of “x times smaller”.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Hibernian
  19. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Priss Factor

    What difference would it make if Asians voted for a Republican? It would still be a vote for the very rapid race-replacement of The Historic Native Born White American Majority across the US. I want the Republican Party sealed in lead and buried deep in a Utah salt mine for a million years.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  20. Most people believe in nurture determinism to feel useful in society, to feel more alive and with the control of things. Specially, most of ATHEISTIC people.

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Keep in mind 70% of Asians voted for Obama.

    Yep, don’t try to fight the coming social clusterfuck by voting for the lesser of two evils, sit back and enjoy watching all the non-whites going at each other, trying to cull as much as possible from the remnants of whitey’s world. All the East Indians and Asians are so smart, they just need to come to whitey’s world to exercise their smarts.

    Meanwhile Republicans and their conservative talk show hosts (Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al.) want us all to believe the biggest problem America faces is a treaty with Iran. I wish Republicans and their talking heads would get half as worked up over the systematic destruction of white European Christian civilization as they do about the future, theoretical, if-all-stars-align, threat to Israel. It’s embarrassing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  22. @Realist

    Do Jews still “lead the pack” as you say? I wonder if you are familiar with the formidable case Ron Unz made in his long American Conservative article about three years ago demonstrating that the Ivies appeared to be discriminating against Asians in much the same way they started discriminating against Jews about 1926. He showed that Jewish academic results were no longer overwhelmingly superior and there was now in the Ivies discrimination in favour of Jews (relative to proven ability and achievement) and against other whites but, most notably, Asians. My recollection of his convincing 35 page article is that it effectively disproves your assertion. Right Ron?

    • Replies: @Realist
  23. cry me a river for those poor asians getting discriminated against …

  24. Realist says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “I wonder if you are familiar with the formidable case Ron Unz made in his long American Conservative article about three years ago demonstrating that the Ivies appeared to be discriminating against Asians in much the same way they started discriminating against Jews about 1926.”

    Yes, I am familiar with it.
    On average Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any group. Ashkenazi Jews are disproportionately awarded Nobel Prizes and other scientific achievements.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  25. David says:

    If Asians have so much to offer academe in America, why are so few regarded as interesting people generally? The only Chinese stars are martial arts experts and dissidents. Are there Asian professors that attract students? At NYU, the only reason anyone notices Chinese students is strange behavior. They contribute nothing to an intellectual atmosphere. I don’t care how good their are at trivial pursuit or lab work.

  26. Hibernian says:
    @Bill Jones

    Irregardless is utterly ignorant. The other 2 not so much. “I could care less.” for “I couldn’t care less.” is irony. X times smaller means multiplied by 1/x. It’s pretty clear.

  27. Hibernian says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Your Irish good humor is showing again.

  28. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    The problem is most of the stars are already aligned. If the psychopaths in Iran get nukes, the West in general and the United States in particular, not just Israel, will be seriously threatened.

  29. @Hibernian

    It’s the psychopaths in the US and Israel that are actually bombing people and already have nuclear weapons. The US is still the only nation to ever nuke anyone. Maybe a nuclear Iran is just the kind of “scared straight” program needed by Uncle Sam and Uncle Saul.

  30. @Realist

    The typical argument hbd about this stuff, mechanical and trivial. They get more Nobels just because of their intellect or because in addition to usurp other people’s nations, they also practice fierce nepotism ** This is fair play ** This shows us the factual reality of the intellects hierarchy between the different human populations**

    Would before taking power in the major European superpowers, this super achievement was also the usual *

    More questions than answers.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The incoming freshman class at Thomas Jefferson is 45% female. This percentage seems surprisingly high to me.

    Does anyone know how the entrance exam is structured and in what areas the girls do well?

    Also, does anyone know the school’s racial composition breakdown by gender? TJHSST is a public school that is frequently compared to private schools in greater Washington that have many more black boys than black girls (I presume this is a case of stacking the sports teams and despite protests to the contrary, the decision makers care a lot more about boys’ sports than girls’ sports).

  32. Renoman says:
    @Priss Factor

    Well said, nearly perfect.

  33. Realist says:
    @Hibernian

    The psychopaths in the U. S. and Israel already have them.

  34. Corvinus says:

    “A Lee Kuan Yew could never hold power in this country, but he is exactly what is needed.”

    Surely, you’re joking. Another corporate fascist who stole billions from his own people? Indeed, the U.S. has NEVER had the LKY’s of the world in power (rolling of eyes).

    “Native Born White American Southerners have been driven out of Northern Virginia by Asian legal immigrants and their US born geneline.”

    Do American business owners have the liberty to hire whomever they want in order to maximize profits?

    “It would still be a vote for the very rapid race-replacement of The Historic Native Born White American Majority across the US. “

    Great, another racialist. Ok, hotshot, please define “historic native born white”. What metrics are included?

    “talking heads would get half as worked up over the systematic destruction of white European Christian civilization”

    That’s because, surprisingly, the talking heads laugh whenever someone makes this outrageous claim.

    “At NYU, the only reason anyone notices Chinese students is strange behavior. They contribute nothing to an intellectual atmosphere.”

    Having a cousin who attended that fine institution, and having discussed this matter with him, you are making a baseless assertion.

  35. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Corvinus

    What metrics?..I’ll make the metric simple:Gut level Native Born White American Metric Racial Tribalism.., if you don’t like tough s…t

    The Greedy Cheating Merchant Class does not have a Divine Right to destroy the Nation I was born and raised in and to make millions of Native Born White Americans into racial Foriegners in the US.

    Metric…that’s Mitt Rommey Harvard MBA vapidness.

    Do you know what metric means in a mathematical sense? It means measuring distances..how far or close points are to each other in space. Millions of Native Born White Americans will use their gut level racial feelings to determine who belongs to the set of Native Born White American kind…it’s most definitely a closed set…

  36. AnAnon says:

    “But as the white share of the student body at TJ High is falling fastest, if there is discrimination, the admissions process must be giving an unfair break to Asians. For it is Asians who are the biggest beneficiaries of what is going on at the school.

    Why are Asian kids succeeding spectacularly?

    Is it because they are naturally talented at STEM studies? Is it because they have a better work ethic? Is it because their parents demand they get their homework done and monitor their grades? Is it because far fewer Asians come from broken homes?

    It cannot be that Asians have been more privileged.” – EducationRealist has some words on this subject.

  37. @Realist

    Which reminds me–the Jewish component at TJHS has remained fairly constant, so the proportion of gentile whites is what’s taken the beating, just like at the top colleges.

    • Replies: @Realist
  38. A lot of people don’t seem to realize how many Asians and Africans there are in the world. There are billions. Even if we permit every single formerly-white nation on the face of the globe to be utterly swamped (and this is our current policy) it won’t be enough room for them, and they won’t stop coming. Why does that make sense, then?

    It makes sense if–and only if–your principal motivation is blind, racist hatred of white people.

  39. A more interesting question is: ‘ Techocracy v Democracy?’

    The latter – if functionally operative – should give rise to varied strengths/talents that are not measurable by IQ tests. Creativity, empathy, intuition, imagination, singularity, wisdom are not subject to narrow metrics, yet these are essential features of a ‘utopian’ society.

    STEM bias will not develop the arts/literature, the other side of any civilization considered ‘meritorious.’

    STEM bias, if allowed to progress to a singular conclusion, would produce a population of technicians, but no artists. In a way, that’s exactly what’s happened in Hollywood: as technical proficiency has increased, content has become progressively debased. The ultimate expression is technically-impressive torture-porn.

    Literacy – which should include fluency in at least one other language – gives rise to creative doubt and uncertainty. It needs to be promoted just as vigorously as numeracy.

    Otherwise, society becomes dominated by a race of ‘what’ rather than ‘why’ people. This leads to the death of Critical Analysis and Moral Restraint. The ultimate success of such is The Clone, the one God permissible Narcissus. At that point, Society is entirely replaced by Technocracy. We are in fact, not far from this Brave New World.

    OTOH, there are those who think BNW IS Utopia!!

    Are you one of them Pat?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  40. Realist says:
    @Kyle McKenna

    My initial comment was to Pat’s statement that Chinese were superior in the ‘hard sciences”.
    It has nothing to do with Jews being discriminated for or against.

  41. MarkinLA says:
    @Sure Thing

    STEM bias will not develop the arts/literature, the other side of any civilization considered ‘meritorious.’

    Is there really any proof of this. It isn’t STEM that says a piece of crap in urine is art. Is there any proof that there are less books or they are any worse.

    In a way, that’s exactly what’s happened in Hollywood: as technical proficiency has increased, content has become progressively debased.

    Really, get a netflix account and go rent some of those old movies that were cranked out because without TV everybody went to the movies no matter how bad they were.

    I watched a Hitchcock movie played entirely in one scene about some guys trying to cover up a murder they committed. Jimmy Stewart was questioning them about this mutual acquaintance. The dialogue was lame at best. The movies of the time were typically like this since special effects were so crude and few films were shot on location.

    The people then had to think they were good. What else could they compare them to?

  42. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    There is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority.

    Moreover, very severe labor scarcities have always been wonderfull for the Native Born White American Working Class.

    Chinese Legal Immigrants and their US born geneline vote every four years for the destruction of centuries of acquired Native Born White American Engineering….Medical….and all around tech experience….It is monumentally outrageous that Chinese Legal Immigrants and their US born geneline are given an opportunity to do this.

  43. Asian intellectual superiority is a paper tiger. Standardized test do you show in my opinion a level of in a confidence in mathematics and basic logic among Asians, but they also reveal the extent to which we’ve had those concepts drilled into our heads from an early age, to the detriment of other positive attributes.

    I don’t believe that Asians whatever displace the white population, due to the fact that creativity is severely lacking in our subculture. In fact someone like me, who is relatively creative, is often punished in many different ways by family and friends for failure to conform. The innovative work will always be done by Europeans for the most part.

    I know it sounds like I’m being too hard on my own ethnic group, but I think it pays off to be honest. I do believe that we Asians have a net positive effect on society, due to our bolstering up the economy, the absence of crime in our populations, etc. There’s a huge problem that we tend to vote for the lift, which I have no solution for. Asians are naturally collectivist as well.

    In my opinion the real threat that Asians might have for negative social change is in the room of ethics. East Asian ethics and Confucianism are very different from what we have in the west, which stems from Christianity. For example in Asian ethical systems there’s often a lack of mercy. The laws are very harsh punishments even harsher.

    The whole thing is analogous to white guys going to East Asia. At first everything seems perfect, pretty girls are coming up and talking to him all the time, many of them are sweet and feminine. But over time he begins to realize that these girls are attempting to manipulate him, and the reason for all of that feminine demureness is the lack of an individual personality beneath that. When it comes to the realm of self-reliance and thinking for themselves, Asians tend to be closer to the bottom.

    Just my opinion, not magisterial or anything.

    ” The nail that sticks up must be hammered down.”

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  44. I apologize for the many errors above. English is not my first language.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/04/pf/college/immigrant-accepted-all-ivy-league-schools-harold-ekeh/

    In a related development, a hard working Nigerian immigrant high school student has just been admitted to all 8 Ivy League colleges. From the article: “We had a fairly comfortable life in Nigeria, but they told me we moved to America for the opportunities like the educational opportunities,” he recalled. I’m sure he is a hard working student, but I would really like to see his application compared to that of a random Chinese immigrant who didn’t get into any Ivy League schools. Affirmative action for African immigrants is a fascinating phenomenon in the US. They are not disadvantaged, share minimal history with African Americans, arguably take spots away from native blacks, yet in effect our leaders have decided to import a new black upper class.

  46. @St. Louis Asian

    ”Asians are NATURALLY collectivist as well”

    Creativity is specially about individuality.

    ”I don’t believe that Asians whatever displace the white population, due to the fact that creativity is severely lacking in our subculture. In fact someone like me, who is relatively creative, is often punished in many different ways by family and friends for failure to conform. The innovative work will always be done by Europeans for the most part.”

    Lack adaptability of its own. Even if the outside world is rainy, cloudy and lightning, you can still create a sunny day and full color for you. Creativity before being a tool for the collective well-being, is a personal transcendence and not care what others think of it. However, it seems that there needs to be an exhibition of this personal particularities to others because creative ones also are son of the God. But sometimes it is necessary, do not say to suppress, but to adapt properly.

    You need to stop eating meat of extremely defenseless animals like dogs and cats. We must all overcome this step. Westerners are also wrong with keeping your viviparous cuisine. We like the flavor of the meat and not the indiscriminate killing of living beings that bring us so much joy, but also for themselves.

  47. Anonym says:

    It is not obvious to me whether PB considers Asian immigration to be a good thing or a bad thing.

    However, in the world beyond SAT scores, the Chinese especially are known for their corruption. Corruption is baked into their culture. Guanxi stems from the time of Confucius, and probably earlier. After 2500 years of mutual back scratching, the urge to form mutually beneficial guanxi networks is now hard-wired into their DNA.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/23/opinion/china-corrution-lijia-zhang/

    Birth tourism is only the beginning. Chinese are bringing their corrupt ways of doing business/politics with them. New-found Mainland wealth finds its way into non-Chinese territory, using their co-ethnics as conduits. This will not be a good thing for whites, whether high class or lower class.

  48. Corvinus says:

    “Do you know what metric means in a mathematical sense?”

    Metrics refer to “a method of measuring something, or the results obtained therein”. I will ask again, please define “historic native born white”. Your response “Gut level Native Born White American Metric Racial Tribalism” and “Native Born White Americans” is rather vague. In addition, are the Irish and Italians included? They had been deemed by nativists as being “non-white” from a social perspective. Were these nativists wrong in their assessment?

    “The Greedy Cheating Merchant Class does not have a Divine Right to destroy the Nation I was born and raised in and to make millions of Native Born White Americans into racial Foriegners in the US.”

    It is NOT divine right, but through freedom of association and the liberty to promote an agenda. Business owners are seeking wealth. Why cannot they use their influence to achieve their goals? How do you propose to stop business owners from creating jobs and generating income for themselves, their stockholders, and their employees?

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Hitchcock film is, “Rope” and the single scene is the whole point of it: we see the Sun pass through the fatal day through the studio window behind it.
    It explores the responsibility casual amoralists bear for clevr cynicism from comfy, academic chairs, for the corruption of the young. It’s a study in hypocrisy. No one jumos off a skyscraper, crashes a car or blows up a petrol station. It’s supposed to make you think rather than passing the time.

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    , @MarkinLA
  50. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Corvinus

    Native Born White Americans can figure out who their own kind are rather easily. This is not a debatable issue. They just do it. I know several Italian American victims …engineers…of the very nasty H1 B visa and L1 B visa Asian scab labor program.

    I don’t care what Libertarian free market enthusiasts think about nonwhite legal immigration…any more than Bibi Netanyahou does. I am reading the enemy the Riot Act. The post-1965 Demographic War against The Historic Native Born White American Majority….well, its obviously a war of aggression. Policy Wonk debating time is over. I don’t care about study X versus study Y….and the-eyes-glaze-over-endless psychometric-genetic studies of Robert Plomin.

  51. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    If this was directed at me, the whole thing takes place in what was supposed to be a party but the dead guest is missing and Stewart the professor starts questioning the two hosts. You can take anything you want from it but the dialog was lame and it was supposed to be a “thriller”. The only thrilling moments were when Stewart almost opened the container where the body was.

    It explores the responsibility casual amoralists bear for clevr cynicism from comfy, academic chairs, for the corruption of the young. It’s a study in hypocrisy.

    This is the type of over-intellectualizing movie reviewers are so fond of.

    Two guys killed a guy and couldn’t get rid of the body in time. Some guy was suspicious and started asking them pointed questions. One guy was blowing it because he couldn’t handle the pressure or keep his lines straight. That was the whole movie.

  52. Corvinus says:

    “Native Born White Americans can figure out who their own kind are rather easily.”

    How does one know they are a native born white American? What metrics are involved? The Irish and Italians in the mid-1800 and late 1800’s were legally defined white, but nativists declared them socially as non-white. Were these nativists wrong? Why do you purposely avoid these fundamentally important questions?

    “I don’t care what Libertarian free market enthusiasts think about nonwhite legal immigration.”

    Right. Liberty for me, not for thee. Message received loud and clear.

  53. iSteveFan says:

    How does one know they are a native born white American? What metrics are involved?

    You can probably start with those who; a) do not qualify for affirmative action, b) are deemed to have white privilege, and c) are collectively held responsible for slavery, segregation, etc.

  54. Corvinus says:

    “You can probably start with those who…”

    Again, vague. Please be specific. And what about those Irish and Italians? Legally white, yes, socially white, no. Were those nativists wrong?

  55. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    The arrogant,spoiled, and highly racialized Hindu princes and princesses-and their Pakastani Muslim counterparts-occupying US and Canadian soil who are now actively participating in the viciously anti-white “White Priveledge” Movement at US and Canadian Universities demand that Whitey commit demographic suicide. We are under no obligation to do this.

    Pat needs to come clean on Asian Legal immigrants.

    There is no Golden Moral Rule in immigration policy…that principle is for fools…And its why Asian Legal Immigrants and their US and Canadian born genelines will never apply it to themselves in the event that whitey irreversibly becomes a racial minority on US and Canadian soil…And a violently persecuted and taunted white racial minority at that.

  56. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    Now that I had some time, I do vaguely remember some discussion among the two hosts along the lines that those who are “superior” should be allowed special dispensation – if I am remembering it correctly. The character Stewart played was a professor who posited that theory and the hosts were his former students – again if I remember (the movie was so forgettable).

    However, if your are going to make some statement about relative morality you need to make the issue one of something less cut and dried than supposedly some people being allowed to commit murder. A better example of making you think would have been the real life story of Alan Turing. Turing probably had more to do with the British success in WWII than anybody except for maybe Churchill. As long as the military needed his genius his homosexuality was ignored. However, when he was no longer of any use now the British government could pretend to uphold morals for something that isn’t even a crime now.

  57. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Corvinus

    We don’t accept the framework that you want us to debate in…because there is no debate. There is a very rapidly growing population of Native Born White Americans=The Race!!!!!!! who reject the open and deliberate policy of race-replacement in the name of low wage labor markets owned by the Greedy Cheating White Liberal Mega-CEOs. And that’s all there is to it. It’s a state of war. And you are the enemy.

    I’m not going to tolerate Hindu,Sihk,Korean,Chinese…and Pakastani “Americans” lecturing-hectoring me about nativism-something that they are very comfortable with….as long as it is the Asian variety.

    If, and when racial minority status arrives for Native Born White Americans=The Race!!!!…you be can absolutely certain of this:The Asians won’t be inflicting a racial guilt trip on themselves about the “Noble” American Injun…That racial guilt trip was only meant for whitey,,,The highly racialized Asians will take full advantage of Whitey’s conquest of North America.

    Go have a look at Mark Twains very humorous essay:The “Noble” American Injun….

  58. Gene Su says:

    As an Asian who attended an elite engineering college, I have a funny feeling that Thomas Jefferson High is not in the danger Mr. Buchannan believes. Black and Hispanic “Affirmative Action Babies” do not tend to go for difficult engineering majors. They tend to desire “easier” tracks like political science, art history, and other leftist humanities supplemented by plenty of “Black Studies.” This prepares them for some easy life as a high-ranking beaurucrat where they can feed off the public trough. Maybe affirmative action will let in one or two more minorities into Thomase Jefferson High. They might not be high achievers but they will be the “cream of the ghetto crop.”

  59. Buchanan said:
    Thomas Jefferson High is a meritocracy where the ideological dictates of “diversity” do not apply.

    Buchanan not surprisingly misses the white picture or only tells a part of it. Actually, the numbers also suggest that white people are OVER-REPRESENTED at TJ High, and are taking up slots that more deserving Asian students should have. Such discrimination in favor of whites over more qualified Asians has been well documented in academic literature as well as official government reports. 22% white representation is WAY TOO HIGH. It should be more like 10-15%, but whites are manipulating the process to ensure that better qualified Asians are frozen out. See article by Ron Unz- Asian quotas in the Ivy League” in which quotas are used TO FAVOR WHITES, over Asians.
    http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2014/06/asian-quotas-ivy-league-see-nothing-nothing/

    TJ High uses more than just raw scores- something Buchanan forgot to mention. Unz’s analysis helps explain the mystery of why white schools would SEEMINGLY “hurt” white student admissions with so-called “quotas for blacks” and other non-Asian minorities. Assorted “HBD” types explain it all as evil “liberal do-goodism” and “white guilt” or “self-hate.” But a true “race realist understands the REAL white game.

    While knee-jerk head count admissions may have begun as a “response” to ghetto unrest and activism in the 1960/ 1970s, those times are long gone, and in any event were closely controlled and limited. White people today are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. The so-called “quotas for blacks” are a smokescreen whites may be using to LIMIT ASIAN NUMBERS, via admission formulas that allow whites to gain slots on things other than strict test scores.

    For example, lets say you get extra points for “community service” or “civic engagement.” While all those Asian kids are grinding away and going to cram schools solely for the best test score number, the extra points given for “civic engagement” will favor whites, who typically, on the average, can show more of such extracurricular activity. These extra point can tip an admission slot towards a more “well rounded” white candidate, beating out the Asian with a higher number. It is the same “Jew reduction” tactic of the past. “Community service” might be only one such “tipping” factor. There are other factors that weigh in college admissions- including Essay writing, Teacher recommendation, Counselor recommendation, Class rank, Portfolio, Extracurricular activities, Work and so on. These factors have helped SOME black candidates build up enough points for admission, but they ALSO work in favor of whites to cut back on Asian slots.

    Think about it. Why would white people be so incredibly generous as to hurt their own via this wave of “black quotas” alleged by assorted right wingers? They aren’t- for 3 reasons:

    1) The number of black students admitted under quotas is trivial overall, and AA quotas have been carefully controlled and limited since the 1970s e.g. numerous lawsuits such as Bakke. Contrary to the usual propaganda, there is no vast horde of blacks on campus due to “quotas” and quotas are primarily operative on high-end campuses with very few minorities.

    2) Admission “point” systems allegedly “helping only” blacks are MORE helping whites, by enabling them to bypass and squeeze ahead of Asians who may post better raw numbers. Unz’s analysis suggests that certain elite institutions can manipulate a variety of factors, not because of “guilt” or “self-hate” but to help whites edge out the Asian competition- you know- via that prototypical “well rounded” candidate. Translation: less “narrow” Asian grinders on campus. A similar pattern operated to screen out Jews in years past.

    3) Blacks can be used as front-men and scapegoats for the above- taking the heat from assorted bigots, bashers and baiters. In the meantime, behind the scenes, the admission structures are manipulated to hinder or slow down the real competition- Asians.

    See book- The Retreat from Race: Asian-American Admissions by Dana Y. Takagi – which documents how white colleges use various tactics to “phase down” Asian admissions in favor of whites, and to shift the blame to black and Hispanic scapegoats.

    Interestingly enough, there have been a number of articles showing white people RUNNING AWAY from tough Asian competition. In some school districts, white parents flee certain schools because the percentages of Asians enrolled are “too high.” In short- it is too competitive. But of course one rarely reads about such things in the right wing media. See:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070602343.html?hpid=topnews

    As for government reports, the US Department of Education found discrimination against Asians in favor of whites in admissions to various university programs. Asians scored higher, but the white administrators of the programs found OTHER reasons to find whites more deserving of admissions than Asians. (Alexander 2005- Racism, African Americans and Social Justice)

    See the game? Everybody rushes to beat up on black scapegoats, while white people manipulate the cards behind the scenes. Yet another study Andrea Guerrero’s “Silence at Boat Hall” found the same pattern. Asians did not compete against blacks and Hispanics for the miniscule number of “minority” slots- they went head to head against whites. She quotes Sum Cho, chair of the Graduate Assembly at Berkeley who demonstrated specifically how white university administrators were playing the “black card”- trying to explain away drops in Asian admission by blaming “affirmative action” for blacks, when in fact, Asians do NOT fall under the “minority” category but are competing directly with whites.

    Says Cho: “The most vile thing the university is doing is using affirmative action as a scapegoat.” The tactic of white liberal administrators is to blame a reduction in Asian slots on blacks, thus diverting attention from their favoritism towards less deserving white students. In fact the white Berkeley regime was forced to publicly admit discrimination against Asians, complete with public apology, when memos surfaced confirming the “yellow out” – such as minimum scores being imposed to limit Asian admissions. Guerrero 2002- Silence At Boalt Hall) White neocons also seized on the scapegoat tactic, again using it to divert attention from white favoritism, when in fact Asians were not even in the trivially small “minority” category but competed directly against whites, and were denied admission despite scoring higher than whites. Despite all the talk about “merit” whites actually OPPOSE merit, if it means Asians get ahead.

  60. @Gene Su

    Actually whites have ensured their presence is not in danger by (a) manipulating the admissions process with a variety of vague factorial weights to reduce higher scoring Asians, and (b) shifting the blame to black scapegoats. Both (a) and (b) are tactics used by whites- documented in the academic literature, as well as in various government reports. The basic NEOCON ploy on the web (and other media) is to throw up a barrage of propaganda- positing virtuous Asians and whites against those disreputable blacks and browns, but in fact, white people are manipulating the game for their own benefit and profit by freezing out more qualified Asians while shifting the blame to black bogeymen.

    In fact, per the academic study above- “Silence At Boalt Hall 2002” Berkeley Chancellor Ira Heyman had to admit discrimination against Asians when memos surfaced on some of the underhanded tactics being used to favor whites. Indeed it was Asian students such as Sum Cho, referenced above, who also pointed out how the white administration attempted to cynically deflect scrutiny on how they were handling Asian admissions by blaming blacks. Likewise Henry Der of the Asian task Force observed the snide innuendo admin officials used time and time again to deflect blame to Blacks, Hispanics and native Americans. Neocon propaganda about virtuous white “merit” has everyone fooled.

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  61. @Gene Su

    “Prepares them…for feeding from the public trough..?”

    Nope. Not unless they’re gay. And pretty. And, er, ‘obliging’..;)

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  62. Corvinus says:

    “It’s a state of war. And you are the enemy.”

    I am a Native Born White American. So you are openly declaring war on one of your brethren. Before you make a complete fool of yourself, you best define “Native Born White American”.

    “Greedy Cheating White Liberal Mega-CEOs…”

    
Notice how you stated “white”. Why do you hate your own kind?

  63. @Sure Thing

    Gene Su says:
    “Prepares them…for feeding from the public trough..?”

    This is laughable. Actually white people are supreme experts at feeding from the public trough. Let’s take the white Irish for example. Time and time again they have manipulated public levers to benefit themselves from the public purse- even discriminating against other whites. As far back as the 1800s for example- one study shows:

    “In the city’s building trades such as plumbers and the masons, Irish-dominated unions adopted nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals… Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized.”

    “nepotistic membership requirements that kept out new arrivals… Similarly the Irish used their political connections to entrench themselves in both skilled and unskilled city government jobs for policemen, firefighters, rapid transit workers and school teachers, even before these workers had their unions recognized.”

    “As early as 1855 Irish men were the largest group of the cartmen of New York, including those that specialized in doing city work on sanitation, landfill road projects and the like. To be a private cartman one required a license; to work for the municipal government in particular one needed good connections. Even before the massive influx of the feminine Irish in 1843, the Democrat-dominated Common Council gave a large number of market licenses to Irish men, much to the chagrin of native American entrepreneurs.”
    –FROM: Bayor and Meagher 1996, The New York Irish, 96-97

    “As a consequence, the public sector employed a full one-third of first, second and third-generation Irish Americans in 1930 compared with just 6 percent in 1900. This patronage helped produce a heavy concentration of Irish in jobs on the fire and police departments and in municipally owned subways, streetcars, waterworks and port facilities. Many of the city’s Irish middle class worked on the public payroll, especially in the public schools, and thousands of others labored in construction jobs tied to city expenditures. For second-generation Irish-American women, jobs as schoolteachers were the most sought-after career. Such patronage policies would help to bind the Irish working class and much of the middle class Tammany Hall for another generation.”
    –Bayor and Meagher 1996. The New York Irish, p. 313

    Then there are the corrupt urban political machines – spread across America- from Daley in Chicago, to Frank Hague in Jersey City, and numerous places in between. Let’s look at Hague. Hague has a widely known reputation for corruption and bossism and has been called “the grandaddy of Jersey bosses.”[1] By the time he left office in 1947, he enjoyed palatial homes, European vacations, and a private suite at the Plaza Hotel.[2] His wealth has been estimated to have been over \$10 million at the time of his death, although his City salary never exceeded \$8,500 per year and he had no other legitimate source of income.[2]

    During the height of his power Hague’s political machine, known as “the organization,” was one of the most powerful in the United States controlling politics on local, county, and state levels.[6] Hague’s personal influence extended to the national level, influencing federal patronage [7] and Presidential campaigns.[8]

    White politicians like Hague caused massive tax burdens to be laid on hard-working white people, from Boston to Jersey. Indeed some of these taxes bankrupted certain businesses. Other notorious white public feeders – some of the worse leaders in America- include Chicago’s “Big Bill” Thompson, and James Curley of Boston. But not to worry. In their footsteps followed people like RIchard Daley and Governor Rod Blagojevich, now doing 14 years in prison. See book- Gerald Leinwand 2004. Mackerels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors.

    In short, white people are no paragons of virtue as regards feeding from the public trough, and in fact as detailed studies show above, fully one-third of Irish Americans were in various decades employed by the government. That levels has gone down some but it still remains high. Similar patterns show among white southerners.

    But some may say- are white people the only feeders? What about Asians? Well Asians are themselves trough feeders par excellence- on fact they pioneered several aspects of heavy handed and oppressive government bureaucracy. It was Asians that pioneered one of the world’s first comprehensive, massive bureaucratic systems- notably the Confucianist flavored civil service system in China. And today Asians continue that tradition with the most massive parasitical bureaucracy in the world- numbering in the tens of millions. It is called the Chinese Communist Party.

    What about other Asians? Let’s take India- a land known for its massive parasitical bureaucracy. Indians themselves are critical of it.. As one Indian study says: ” India’s massive bureaucracy is maintained at a huge cost to the country’s taxpayer, whose average income is among the lowest in the world.” A biased Western view you say? Not at all. Indians themselves are critical- quote:” [the public perception’ is that they are ‘burdensome low performers’ heading a highly bloated bureaucracy that is often perceived to be corrupt and inefficient.. lack of professionalism and poor capacity building, inefficient incentive systems that do not appreciate upright and outstanding civil servants but reward the corrupt and the incompetent..”
    (Sabharwa 2013, Public Administration in South Asia)

    So when the whole picture is looked at, Asians themseves are no paragons of virtue when it comes to feeding from the public purse. Neither are white people.

  64. What about welfare?

    As regards welfare- white people are no paragons. Not only are their recipient numbers greater but despite being more affluent than poorer minorities, in states where there is heavy black population, welfare benefits are lower than where whites are a majority. From 1960 to 1990 for example, states with larger black welfare populations offered significantly LOWER welfare benefits, than in states with larger white populations. In essence, white welfare recipients saw greater amounts of aid given than blacks proportionately in said states, even though whites overall are better off than blacks, whether measured by income, net worth or family structure.

    Far from “undue” black benefit, white people got higher welfare payments in states where they were the majority welfare population, while the black share was cut where they were the majority. We keep hearing about massive legions of “undeserving” blacks on welfare, but the bottom line is that better off whites, proportionately, are feeding more extensively and profitably from the welfare trough than blacks. See Gerald C. Wright. 1977. “Racism and Welfare Policy in America.” Social Science Quarterly 57(3): 718-30; Christopher Howard. 1999. “Field Essay: American Welfare Sate or States?.” Political Research Quarterly).

  65. Bill Blizzard says:
    My large Irish Catholic Family experienced first hand the economic violence of the open and deliberate policy of importing legal immigrant Asian scab labor.
    Laughable neocon propaganda. In fact the white Irish are notorious as one of the most corrupt and violent ethnic groups in America historically. Indeed the white Irish were leaders in mass murder and violence against Asian workers in California in the 1900s and 1800s, as well as blacks and other minorities. Rather than compete on the merits man to man, the Irish deployed murder and violence on a large scale, massacring hundreds of Chinese in California and throughout the West. The searing book, Driven Out: The Forgotten War Against Chinese Americans, By Jean Pfaelzer, debunks facile claims above, bout so-called Irish “innocence” or “merit.”

    The psychopathically greedy Gruman Corp Management annihilated its Native Born White American Male Engineering work force….massive layoffs and at the same time hiring of Asian legal immigrant engineering scab workers…
    Why would Grumman Corporation be “psychopathically greedy” just because they may have got rid of some overpaid white workers who were not only less qualified, but unwilling to work as hard as those Asian engineers? Sounds like sour grapes from disgruntled white workers who didn’t get the job they want, so they pump up this “race crusade” angle. And last anyone looked Grumman’s engineering workforce is STILL mostly white. Northrop Grumman’s own 2009 figures from their website show total “people of color” making up just 32% of their workforce- and this includes some contractors not really part of the mainline workforce, and low end people working janitorial or factory floor slots, in overseas locales not only the US. As far as VP and above the total is 9%, Directors 12%, supervisors 19%- hardly earth-shattering numbers.

    Furthermore Grumman PR releases often lump in native born Asian Americans with foreign nationals together giving the misleading impression that “foreign workers” are playing such a massive role. They aren’t, nor are the same so-called “diversity hires” who are engineers to begin with coming thru the door, not just people off the street. In any event the laughably miniscule number of these means that the main competition is between Asians and whites, and whites have the game well in hand in holding back the Asians, In any event, White people still have most jobs, including the most lucrative ones like engineer well in hand. So much for your bogus “annihilation” claim.
    http://www.northropgrumman.com

    Indeed, a number of studies show that Asians with higher qualifications are not getting the same opportunities as whites to move up.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/employment.shtml
    Many Asian Americans have attained skilled, prestigious, and relatively high-paying professional jobs. At the same time, many still face numerous challenges in their work environments. For example, although Asian Americans have the highest rates of having a college (43% of all adults between 25 and 64) or a law, medicine, or doctorate degree (6.5% of all adults between 25 and 64), they only have the second highest median personal (per capita) income behind that for White workers. That is, within many occupations, Asian Americans are still paid less than Whites, despite having the same educational credentials and years of job experiences. In addition, numerous studies continue to point out that Asian Americans are still underrepresented as senior executives in large institutions.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/16/1337074/-Asian-Men-Tech-Industry-Cannon-Fodder#

    Again, so much for this bogus “Yellow Peril” supposedly “swamping” white workers. If anything, just as in the education system, whites are manipulating behind the scenes to SUPPRESS or bypass ‘merit” when a more qualified Asian shows up.

    Native Born White American Southerners have been driven out of Northern Virginia by Asian legal immigrants and their US born geneline…no commentary by Pat about this.
    Pat hasn’t commented on this because the claim is clearly bogus. Since when are they no white people in Northern Virginia with jobs cuz they be “driven out” by these mythical Asian hordes? What a crock of BS. You expect Buchanan to take on such nonsensical pablum?

    I argued this point for 7 years over at American Rennaissance quite successfully only to be booted out of the comments section over there by Jared Taylor…
    How could you successfully argue the point when it is bogus to begin with? Maybe “amen corner” never questioned it, but over here at UNZ it ain’t no echo chamber. You need to raise your game in terms of both logic and data. I suspect Jared Taylor booted you because your claims are laughable. He couldn’t make any good mileage or defense on them, because they are so nonsensical and became a continuous embarrassment. The surprise is that Taylor tolerated such ludicrous arguments for so long. Where are these mythical hordes of white people wandering Virginia because of this reputed “Asian menace”?

    Malcolm Pirne Engineering Corp in Westchester County did the exact same thing as Grumman Corp… Massive layoffs of the Native Born White American Male Engineering Work Force and at the same time hired legal immigrant Asian…Muslim…and some African scab labor engineers….
    Malcolm Pirne is just an ordinary company that had to restructure and cut costs to remain competitive. Hell, Unz has had to restructure various projects to do the same. Nothing personal- just business. Pirnie underwent a takeover by Arcadis. Now surprise, surprise. What often happens when one company takes over another? Wait for it… Um, they usually restructure and often reduce headcount. Whoa! Economics 101. yet you are trying to twist this into some laughable “racial annihilation” crusade.. Puhleeze..

  66. Sure would like to see a similar assessment of schools in neighboring Montgomery County, MD.

    Jewish kids used to dominate the best schools; but then, Jews used to be the largest minority population in MoCo.

    Now the Chinese are snapping at the heels of the Jewish demographic. They own homes in the most expensive neighborhoods; Chinese & other Asians dominate in biotech industries like genomics. Several elementary schools in Montgomery County that offer Mandarin routinely turn away many applicants. Chinese families buy spare houses in neighborhoods near the best schools just to ensure that their kids can attend them.

    Chinese restaurants and groceries are supplanting venues that used to be Italian, Greek, etc.

    There are a number of new synagogues in MoCo, but the Jewish population is not nearly as prominent as it once was (the entire corridor/sector around the Jewish Community Center @ Montrose rd. notwithstanding — it’s mostly an old folks home. Chinese families have initiated a transportation system and “senior day care” specifically to tend to its senior citizens.).

  67. As a former speechwriter to Nixon, Buchanan should be quite familiar with the cynical calculus Nixon used when he created his affirmative action quota plan- the famous “Philadelphia Plan” in 1969. Part of it was honest exasperation by Nixon at the way racist white unions kept stonewalling implementation of basic civil rights- from using “white only” apprenticeship programs, to more subtle “union card” requirements to get a job (which translated into “white only”), to maintenance of separate white and “colored” seniority lists – which, not surprisingly, ensured that the “coloreds” never got a chance to apply for certain higher level, better paying jobs. A tired George Schultz eventually put the hammer down and told stonewalling unions to produce specific “goals and timetables” as to eliminating these many barriers, or else.

    But beyond this, Nixon shrewdly saw that affirmative action was a golden opportunity to drive a wedge between 3 key Democrat constituencies – Blacks, Jews, and white Labor. In this, he was hugely successful, and the “quota” issue has been milked profitably by the right wing for decades, even though, conservative analysts such as Thomas Sowell have long demonstrated that AA quotas have done relatively little for overall black economic advance, and little for the poorest blacks.

    Nixon played a cynical double game. After his own administration implemented a pace-setting quota plan, Nixon himself later denounced “quotas” and reaped the benefits over time by appealing to white voters especially in the south- sealing his “southern strategy” and locking in the “quota wedge” success. It was tricky Dick’s last gambit- a master stroke- and it is working even today. The “quota issue” is a bread and butter staple of the right wing narrative. They love it. Detailed academic studies such as the book Richard Nixon and the Rise of Affirmative Action, (Yuill 2006), lay out the detail.

    As Nixon predicted, the “quota wedge” would unsettle Jews, and sure enough, Jews emerged as among the most steadfast and vocal opponents of AA quotas from early on, mostly notably seen in the Bakke decision brought by a Jew- Bakke against AA, and in such early books as “Affirmative Discrimination” by Nathan Glazer, 1976. Black Jewish tensions were stoked high over quotas, tying in with other tensions Nixon exploited such as school control.

    Jews saw the game early on, and themselves doubly exploited it with adroit positioning. Jews correctly saw that so-called “minority quotas” would be used against them to reduce Jewish numbers. The Jew head count could be reduced by saying a certain number of slots were reserved for blacks, browns and reds and yellows initially. This accounts for the vigorous opposition by Jews early on. Whites manipulated the “quota meme” to reduce Jewish head counts, and best of all, it could all be blamed on blacks, the perennial scapegoats! Sweet! Jewish neo-cons then applied the second part of their positioning. They made common cause with the white right, the foot soldiers of Nixon’s “southern strategy” and as part of that alliance- garnered support for the State of Israel among that white right. Hence Republicans including Reagan allied themselves with the agenda of the Israel lobby on numerous occasions. So adroit was the Jewish positioning, that even white fundamentalists virtually gushed over Israel and their “return to the land” as if the political creation known today as Israel was an exact fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

    Some Jews thus gained a 5-spot benefit during the “Affirmative action” wars:

    1) They limited the spread of AA early via a huge barrage of criticism, including lawsuits

    2) They ingratiated themselves with the white right wing

    3) As part of the ingratiating, they got favorable treatment for the Israel agenda

    4) They talked up Israel as a “strategic asset” to right wing hawks and internationalists, tying Israel assistance to American hegemonic projects

    5) They captured gushing support from high placed right wingers like Reagan, to lower end white fundamentalists.

    Asians are just now beginning to see how so-called “minority quotas” are being used as a wedge against them. Whites can keep out Asians by a variety of means such as the “need for well rounded candidates,” but also, crucially, by arguing that the small number of black and brown slots is responsible for Asians being underrepresented relative to their test scores, grades, etc. But Asians do not compete for the trivial number of “minority slots.” They go head to head with whites, in open competition. Talking bout “black quotas” shifts the scrutiny from white manipulation to the all too easy black scapegoats. Sweet! Blacks can be put out front to take the heat, while yellow numbers are cut back or stymied, behind the scenes. Jews saw the game early on and did an end-run. Asians are increasingly coming to understand the double game being played.

  68. @Maj. Kong

    There are too many white liberals doped into egalitarianism for us to win power without breaking up the Democratic coalition.

    White liberals are not that stupid – they only want egalitarianism to go so far, and are actually working steadily to protect white interests. Actually they have been using the “quota issue” as a convenient scapegoat to explain away why Asians are underrepresented relative to their test scores, grades, AP classes taken and so on. The REAL game is to limit Asian numbers. Liberals have figured out how to do this using the “quota wedge.” See book- The Retreat from Race: Asian-American Admissions by Dana Y. Takagi – which documents how white colleges use various tactics to “phase down” Asian admissions in favor of whites, and to shift the blame to black and Hispanic scapegoats.

    Likewise the furious opposition of Jews to AA is based on the correct interpretation that whites would use “quotas” as a way to limit Jewish numbers. Indeed Jews like Alan M. Dershowitz specifically make the argument that aa quotas are a mechanism that under the surface of “egalitarianism” – are a mechanism to reduce the Jewish presence in various high-end venues. And in fact, this was how ethnic quotas were used for centuries in Europe- to limit Jews.

    I wish Republicans and their talking heads would get half as worked up over the systematic destruction of white European Christian civilization as they do about the future, theoretical, if-all-stars-align, threat to Israel. It’s embarrassing.

    Actually white Europeans have been working quite busily to push back Jews, and aa “quotas” using black front men and scapegoats, are one key method. This is why Jews were early on among the most furious opponents of aa quotas. White leader Richard Nixon played a cynical double game as far as “quotas” as well- ensuring electoral success in many aspects, on into the 21st century. As for Israel, many Jews have pulled a shrewd positioning gambit. By opposing aa quotas, they ingratiate themselves with the white right wing, paleo-rightists, and white christian “prophetic” fundamentalists, and hence, on the back end, garner greater support for the Israel agenda of the moment. Shrewd indeed..

  69. @Realist

    Meritocracy always. What are the benefits of racial diversity?

    Well, liberals get a two-fer. They can posture as noble defenders of equality and egalitarianism. But at the same time, they can use “minority quotas” as an excuse to limit the number of Asians, who do not compete for the trivial number of “minority slots” but go head to head with whites in open competition. It is documented (see above) that even liberal Univ of Cal Berkeley was using the “quota scapegoat” tactic to limit Asian numbers. Liberals get to be noble, while at the same time, cutting back on more qualified Asians in favor of less qualified whites. Sweet!

    A third benefit is that white right wingers have a perennial grievance issue, a perennial “wedge” issue they can milk profitably for decades. All those disgruntled white people who did not get the job they wanted, or whatever they have lost out at, can “blame black quotas”- a guaranteed red meat issue for the faithful, a guaranteed mobilizing strategy. Curiously, assorted fire breathers maintain a massively more convenient silence when it is found that the main beneficiaries of AA quotas are white women.

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  70. Gene Su says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Actually whites have ensured their presence is not in danger by (a) manipulating the admissions process with a variety of vague factorial weights to reduce higher scoring Asians, and (b) shifting the blame to black scapegoats.

    I have seen no instances of whites attempting to tinker with test scores to marginalize Asians. Having said that, there is a lot of other crap they pull. Heck, some whites like to complain about how miserably blacks behave but don’t really do a good job of disciplining their own progeny.

    One last thought: a lot of these “civil rights activists” who complain loudly about how “the system” unfairly grades blacks and keeps them out of elite colleges never seem to raise a peep about how black overachievers are getting violently beaten up for “acting white.” I wonder why?

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  71. Realist says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    A little Machiavellian, but plausible.

  72. Ron Unz says:
    @Gene Su

    I’ll admit I’m not too familiar with the particular details of Thomas Jefferson H.S. in VA, but based on the arguments you’ve been making, I suspect that both you and Enrique Cardova might benefit from reading my long Meritocracy article from a couple of years ago if you haven’t already done so:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    Frankly, as you’ll see from the statistics, there’s been a great deal of misunderstanding in the entire national debate over Affirmative Action and Asian Quotas over the last couple of decades.

  73. Thanks Ron Unz for that link. I had not read that particular piece before and it is impressive- well buttressed by supporting data and incisive argument. In terms of the Asian thing, I would disagree though that university gatekeepers are on a mission to maximize nonwhite enrollment. If this were so, then Asians would not be having the problems they are having. In addition, from the very beginning of affirmative action, substantial opposition emerged in higher education that substantially limited its scope beginning with such court challenges as Bakke 1974. Jewish opposition has been particularly intense.

    In addition numbers don’t suggest any maximum effort. Black numbers for example are relatively small. Among other things, the 2006 Fisher decision showed this- with so-called “minority slots” (non-Asian blacks and browns) only accounting for 2-5% of the total pool in dispute. Opponent of quotas- Richard Sanders in his Mismatch book, shows that the end of AA quotas in one studied high-end law school still left behind about 3% of the slots for blacks. These remaining blacks did NOT need quotas. Its the weaker and marginal blacks who washed out- as AA was phased down, and that is as it should be. Those weaker ones do fine at lower ranked universities/colleges without needing any quotas. The famous Hopwood decision of the late 1990s showed that in 1996-97- right before the AA ban by the court, Black enrollments weighed in at 4.7%, of the total enrollment at the elite Texas Law school- hardly the massive wave “swamping white people” assorted propagandists would have us to believe. In Hopwood, white plaintiffs complained that of the 18 black students admitted, 16 had lower test scores. They were certainly right. But in terms of the point addressed here, there were almost 400 students in the total pool- out of these were a mere 18 blacks, 2 of whom did not need quotas- again- at around 4%- hardly the massive “black peril” of popular lore.

    In addition, the end of AA quotas has seen pre-black enrollment in many of these same schools rise to about the same level as during quotas. Quotas caused a drop in some places, but as time went on, and weaker black candidates were rejected, a roughly comparable 2-3-4% level stabilized, without quotas. The AA cutbacks and limits via courts and the polls, leaves smaller numbers of blacks in place at various institutions, but the numbers were not that high to begin with. (Gurin et al 2003). As Clarence Thomas sardonically noted about how numbers adjusted themselves during hysteria surrounding the cutbacks and freeze downs of AA, “the sky has not fallen at Boalt Hall.”

    Unz’s data on Jews is an eye-opener, particularly given the propaganda narrative of massive anti-Jewish discrimination. Such discrimination was certainly so circa 1940-1950, but that changed decades ago- and the situation today is totally contrary to the accepted neocon/liberal Jewish narrative. Jews actually are heavily over-represented. I argue above that AA quotas have been a mechanism for white controllers of admissions to cutback on both Jews and Asians. A number of Asian activists have also made the same argument. and indeed liberal Berkeley was caught out using the “black scapegoat” tactic when questioned about the decline in Asian numbers, per ref above.

    Unz’s data can suggest another scenario to the mix made by some observers. Furious Jewish opposition to AA may not be primarily based on a pious love of “merit” but on a relentless consolidation and expansion of Jewish benefit. Any “diversity” slots would even in minor numbers, somewhat reduce this relentless Jewish expansion, hence the “all guns blazing” opposition to AA from many Jews, with black scapegoats playing a prominent part. In this, various Jews received fulsome collaboration by the white right wing- which needs a demonized “other” to mobilize the base.

    Under this scenario then, it is not WASP or Irish controllers driving the narrative, but Jewish controllers, who have a vested interest in slicing back on formidable Asian competition to maximize Jewish gain. If this scenario is correct, the reputed Jewish controllers (not all Jews obviously can be spoken of this way) then play a quadruple game:

    1) An allegedly “liberal” wing, somewhat muted, ostensibly supports AA or “diversity” as a propaganda ploy or “diversity front” (like the happy smiling pictures of minorities in college PR photos) , even while working furiously behind the scenes to gut AA programs, and reduce black/brown numbers.

    2) With the PR front lulling the gullible, the “black scapegoat” angle is deployed- Asian competition can be cut back by blaming “black quotas” for taking up “too many” slots

    3) The white right wing can be neutralized or co-opted by highly visible Jewish opposition to “quotas for the culluds” – a tactical alliance, incorporating everyone from working class whites to affluent higher-end Republican types. In short, the Jewish controllers “play” the white right- and divert attention from their own growing numbers and influence, by shrewdly redirecting the gaze of everyone on to the convenient black scapegoats. It is the easiest thing to rail against “quotas for backs” – it is an instant mobilizer for knee-jerk white right wingers, who railing in high dudgeon against the culluds, fail to see the Jewish hand consolidating and expanding its gains behind the scenes. The culluds become bogeymen and front men- manipulated by the string pullers in the background.

    4) If questions about Jewish influence are raised too much, the race or ethnic card can be invoked to quell or counter assorted questioners. In short, Jews have figured out how to use quotas as both a divisive “wedge” issue, and a “link” issue that can help form alliances with apparent enemies, and neutralize their opposition to other projects.

    The quadruple game” scenario above though may be overstated of course. After all a counter-argument can be made that it is WASP/non_Jewish white controllers who are really running the game, and who, rather than being “played” by the Jews, are actively collaborating with them to cut back on Asian gains. And even if the scenario is true, it could be argued that Jews are simply looking out for themselves, maximizing their benefits and gains.

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  74. Ron Unz says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Thanks for the kind words, Enrique.

    While your speculation regarding the underlying political dynamic may not be entirely implausible, I think there’s one important element lacking. As far as I can tell, almost no one is currently aware of the “big picture,” namely the huge current gap between academic performance and admissions.

    I’m friendly with quite a number of prominent scholars, including social scientists who tend to focus on exactly these matters, and all were totally shocked by my findings. Everyone seemed to assume that Jews constituted a very substantial fraction of top performing students, which had indeed been the case 30-40 years ago, when most of these individuals were in college or grad school. Obviously, such numbers would completely alter the politics of the situation. I’d half-suspected I might find something along these lines when I began my investigation, but even I was stunned at the magnitude.

    Now if so many academic researchers, left and right, Jewish and non-Jewish, aren’t aware of the true situation, I hardly think that bureaucratic administrators, lazy journalists, or activist-types would know. So if they automatically assume that a truly fair admissions system would produce a Harvard that was around 1/3 Jewish, their behavior is much less mysterious.

    I think it might be a little like Saddam’s WMD. Everyone in DC *knew* they existed, at least of the chemical or biological variety. A few activists did fabricate intelligence data, but even they probably assumed they were producing fake evidence in support of the actual reality. Everyone knew about about the WMD because they’d heard about it from everyone else.

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  75. @Ron Unz

    I’m not sure if I completely agree. I think that many academics, bureaucrats, journalists, and upper middle-class professionals are well aware that Asian-Asian kids are vastly outpacing Jewish-American kids.

    Consider this:

    1. The Spelling Bees and Math Olympiads are dominated by AAs (Asian-Americans).
    2. Highly-selective magnet schools, (Stuyvesant, Hunter College, Bronx Science, Thomas Jefferson) are Asian-dominated.
    3. AAs are exceptionally over represented as winners of the National Merit Scholarship.

    Any observant person who reads the paper, watches television, or follows academic competitions would be aware of this. They’d also be aware that the number of kids with Jewish surnames wasn’t particularly large. So it’d be rather odd for Jews to be somewhat better represented at this country’s selective universities than Asians.

    Most of these people would be vaguely aware that Jews aren’t as well represented at “brainiac” universities (MIT, Caltech) as they are at “holistic” universities (Harvard, Yale, Stanford).

    If you talk to kids under the age of 35, it’s common place knowledge that AAs are academic superstars. Nobody talks about Jewish-American kids anymore. Even television reflects this. In older television shows, the high school genius was often a stereotypically Jewish-American kid (ie Paul Pfeiffer from “Wonder Years”). Now, the high school geniuses are typically portrayed as Asian or Indian (Lindsay Lohan explains this in her movie “Mean Girls”).

    In my view, the reason that many people defend the system is because they perceive Asians as grinds who are not well-rounded, unlike Jewish kids. They also might believe that standardized tests and GPAs fail to measure soft skills (leadership, creativity, social adjustment).

    Of course, much of this is self-serving. WASPs made similar arguments back in the 1950s when they capped Jewish enrollment in the Ivy Leagues.

    My point is that it’s difficult to miss that AA kids are the highest selective achievers.

    I think it might be a little like Saddam’s WMD. Everyone in DC *knew* they existed, at least of the chemical or biological variety. A few activists did fabricate intelligence data, but even they probably assumed they were producing fake evidence in support of the actual reality. Everyone knew about about the WMD because they’d heard about it from everyone else.

    I don’t want to go too off topic, but……….

    I noticed that after US forces failed to find WMDs, the media, political elites, and intelligentsia didn’t seem especially outraged. I even recall many of them saying that the war was justified anyway because US troops found mass graves in Iraq and the Iraqi civilians were welcoming in our military.

    In 2008, journalist Ron Suskind made a startling revelation:

    President Bush committed an impeachable offense by ordering the CIA to to manufacture a false pretense for the Iraq war in the form of a backdated, handwritten document linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, an explosive new book claims.
    The charge is made in “The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism” by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ron Suskind, released today.
    Suskind says he spoke on the record with U.S. intelligence officials who stated that Bush was informed unequivocally in January 2003 that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. Nonetheless, his book relates, Bush decided to invade Iraq three months later — with the forged letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam bolstering the U.S. rationale to go into war.

    and yet, for some reason, the media have done very little to investigate this claim. The House and Senate haven’t tried to seriously investigate this either.

    It seems to me that elite-wannabes agree with the elite consensus not because they have genuine faith, but because they’re careerists. If you want to get ahead in DC, you have to demonstrate commitment to the consensus, no matter how ridiculous. There were no consequences to most of the politicians and journalists who got it wrong on WMDs, but there were severe consequences to journalists (Phil Donahue, Peter Arnett) and military officers (General Shinseki) who critiqued the war effort.

    Very few are concerned with the truth. They’re concerned with mouthing whatever is necessary to ascend the DC elite career ladder.

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  76. Your data on Jewish (and others) was a real eye-opener, not to mention the corruption in the admission process. I had no idea it was that bad. And if there is an increase in Jewish representation, while performance is trending downward, something is definitely wrong. And if on top of this, admission regimes contain a large number of Jews used to fighting (with plentiful media support) or at least having memory of anti-Jewish quotas in the past, that only exarcerbates the problem. You have put serious data on the floor.

    But why isn’t it more noticeable? It could be that the long standing politicking and pressure over anti-Jewish quotas, coupled with the earlier good Jewish performance has frozen perceptions in time. I agree with your assessment, and would probably add that the focus on “black quotas” is part of the explanation- “black quotas” – the most visible, contentious and emotional issue- the ultimate hot button, shrewdly exploited by Richard Nixon himself and others to cement the southern strategy, as Buchanan well knows. With this kind of emotion and race politics at play, it is not surprising that the Jewish pattern you have identified has been overlooked.

    But another notable issue mentioned in the piece is how some people may automatically assume Jews should have a high level of representation, including some of the Jewish dominated admission bureaucracies, even as Jewish performance, and indeed overall population level declines. If this is correct, then there may be an “entitlement mentality” in a sense, from some Jews, just as some WASPS have an entitlement mentality. This notion of an “entitlement mentality” is an explosive one to put out in the media, raising all sorts of hackles. Only bad WASPS or incorrigible blacks could have an “entitlement mentality” never virtuous folk like Jews. One can see why such troubling implications might be avoided, ignored or denied. On the flip side some might argument that any entitlement mentality may not be any sinister plot, but the expected opportunistic maneuverings of a classic middleman minority, maximizing its gains.

  77. Ron Unz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Sure, those are reasonable points. Indeed, all the prominent scholars and intellectuals whom I mentioned as being totally shocked were in their 60s, 70s, or even 80s, so it’s not surprising that their mental images of the academic landscape were frozen in place at least 30-40 years ago.

    Since I’d departed the academic world 25 years earlier, my own situation wasn’t that different. In fact, one of the original spurs for my investigation had been a lengthy blogsite comment thread I’d read earlier that year debating Asian academic achievement. Some activist had implausibly claimed that the recent lists of Math Olympiad winners indicated that Asian performance was much lower than was widely believed, so I decided to take a look for myself. Sure enough, the prevalence of Asian names was just as overwhelming as I expected it would be, but the real shocker was the near total absence of Jewish names, which back in my day had always constituted at least 1/3 of the total. Had all the American Jews quietly moved away to Mars without telling anyone?

    Another factor to consider is the astonishing demographic ignorance, not only of most Americans but even of our intellectual elites, as was discussed in this recent comment thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/shutterstocks-suggestions-for-american-family-stock-photos/#comment-911969

    After my long Meritocracy article came out and caused a stir, I published over a dozen follow-up columns, focusing on various aspects of the analysis, discussing the media coverage, and rebutting various critiques, mostly by silly activist-types. Here’s one of my pieces that speculates about a possible mechanism for the maintenance of the extreme over-representation.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-gelmans-sixth-column/

  78. Santoculto says:
    The probable higher proportion of. ( “real” ) gifted and creatives among euros and unbalanced proportion of high achievers among east asians can explain this “east asian paradox”. You guys should read what special educators of gifted students have produced.

    Why would Euro giftedness be “real” and that of East Asians, by implications of your claim, “unreal”? And special educators have not produced what you claim about so-called “unbalanced proportions” of high achievers, explaining any “east asian paradox.” Predictably, you can cite no examples and references to what these educators allegedly say or produce on the topic. What exactly is the variable that is reputedly “unbalanced”? All you have produced is another loud, unsourced opinion with little credible to back it up.

    .
    FROM the unz gelman article
    “Consider the analogous reasons that industrial production statistics were very often unreliable in Soviet Russia. Although officials were probably not ordered to fabricate their numbers, they quickly discovered that those who reported insufficiently positive results risked being purged.

    I strongly suspect that if Princeton’s 1999 admissions officers had attempted to persuade Prof. Gelman or his agitated commenters that their sharply declining admission of Jews was simply due to the objective academic weakness of their Jewish applicants, those arguments would have fallen on unsympathetic ears. And it is far more pleasant to sit in a warm university office selecting America’s future ruling elites than having to wander around the Northeastern countryside during wintertime in search of a possibly rabid dog.”

    If this is correct then possibly a regime of “political correctness” is in place. But contrary to the usual race baiters it would not be blacks being given any special favors but Jews, who can hide the game better. Black “quota” representation remains minor, does not have much impact for black higher education overall, and any burgeoning black competition in the pipeline for elite schools is also small. Furious Jewish opposition to this small threat is well known, since “minority slot” set asides, would reduce space for Jews potentially. But how then to explain the support of some Jewish liberals for AA?

    Could be that some liberal Jews want to keep AA, minor and ineffective as it is, around as a symbolic, gestural token- useful for (a) demonstrating one’s liberal credential and (b) useful for deflecting scrutiny away from Jews, and (c) useful for forging alliances with the white right in exchange for support for other agendas such as some Israeli policies, and (d) useful as a “race card” held i reserve to invoke against goy opponents when the heat is on. Muslim leader Malcolm X once argued that blacks were useful to Jews because they sometimes “took the heat” that Jews would experience full blast from the white goyim- in short, useful scapegoats and bogeymen, even if only at the gestural level.

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  79. Ron Unz says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Sure, those suggestions of yours regarding some of the true motives behind Jewish support for AA seem plausible. But I’d think they might vary considerably across different individuals. It’s been my experience that subjects too controversial to candidly discuss in public or often even in private tend to result in a wide variation of internalized beliefs, even between friends and relatives, who are eventually surprised at each other’s true positions.

    I’d also add one more possibility, that of internal moral self-justification. Since Jewish activists tend to be liberal in overwhelming numbers and were traditionally the strongest advocates of AA, perhaps at some psychological level they believe that the “good deeds” they are doing in providing extra places to blacks and Hispanics justifies the large number of extra slots they are simultaneously taking for themselves and their relatives as a form of payment. I think this sort of attitude has been fairly common in history, with some of the European colonialists arguing that the land they seized was fair reward for the “civilizational uplift” they graciously provided the natives. More recently, I think some conservative activists argued that America was entitled to take a large portion of Iraq’s oil as fair payment for rescuing the country from such an evil and brutal tyrant.

    But I still doubt that many people are aware of the sheer magnitude of the current mismatch. Based on the NMS lists, over 65% of America’s top performing high school students are non-Jewish whites and only 6% are Jews, yet the two groups are roughly equal in numbers at Harvard and across the rest of the Ivy League.

    Incidentally, a couple of weeks ago, a frequent commenter who’s an Ivy League educated Asian-Am described his own experience working part-time in an admissions office, saying it tended to confirm the implications of my statistical analysis:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/#comment-892227

  80. Ron Unz said:
    I’d also add one more possibility, that of internal moral self-justification. Since Jewish activists tend to be liberal in overwhelming numbers and were traditionally the strongest advocates of AA, perhaps at some psychological level they believe that the “good deeds” they are doing in providing extra places to blacks and Hispanics justifies the large number of extra slots they are simultaneously taking for themselves and their relatives as a form of payment.

    Hmm, if this is so, it may possibly track with some civil rights history. To their everlasting credit, Jews provided crucial legal, moral and financial support in many cases for the civil rights movement- from lawyers to battle years in court, to monetary resources, and even dead white bodies that stirred America to action more than dead black ones (Schwerner and Goodman’s murder in Mississippi comes to mind). This is a decent, creditable history.

    But as the movement matured and transformed, the ubiquitous Jewish presence at some key centers of decision or activity became perceived as a liability, sometimes an obstacle to the “winds of change.” One can read the history and see a sort of sense of entitlement among Jews, shocked or irritated that a new, or more vocal generation of black activists, leaders and scholars were not prepared to do them unquestioned deference. Indeed to some detractors, Jewish involvement seemed self-serving- not a new criticism by any means, (Malcolm X long before argued that in helping blacks, Jews helped themselves more against the goyim), but one that took on new urgency as the 60s wound down.

    The bitter battles over “community control” of some schools in New York to some seemed a symptom of a much wider changes and conflicts afoot, with a largely Jewish teacher’s union, and their media, political and bureaucratic allies pulling out all the stops in a ruthless war to defeat some popular black community leaders and projects. Whatever the legitimate points brought forward by the union (there were some), or the dubious theatrics of reputed “black militants”, the counter-critique that emerged outside the Jewish narrative was not one of noble, moral people doing good deeds for the less fortunate, but sometimes a self-serving, insulated network, primarily geared towards, and manipulating all possible levers, for Jewish benefit.

    The arrogance and parochialism of some Jewish teachers in minority schools also did not help, and was part of the festering mix that contributed to the “community control” issue, as was the gloating by some after the union had won its victory. On top of that was what to many community members seemed like a virtual war of annihilation featuring relentless manipulation and propaganda against reasonable seemingly alternatives to integration – such as 3 experimental school districts unfettered by the union restrictions, or using more non-union paraprofessional personnel drawn from the community in the experimental zones etc. (Jane Gordon 2001. Why They Couldn’t Wait: A Critique of the Black-Jewish Conflict Over Community Control..) And no doubt the shrewd “wedge” manipulation of Richard Nixon in his affirmative action gambit, specifically aimed in part at splitting the Dem coalition between Blacks and Jews contribute to the volatile mix later on.

    .
    Incidentally, a couple of weeks ago, a frequent commenter who’s an Ivy League educated Asian-Am described his own experience working part-time in an admissions office, saying it tended to confirm the implications of my statistical analysis:

    He has a point on some things. I did not agree with all he said but his notion of anxious Jews resentful and fearful of advancing Asians had some plausibility as far as the admissions to the elite schools. The withering scorn at Asian “Tiger mothers” in some liberal quarters was an interesting aspect that he pointed out.

  81. Ron Unz:
    they believe that the “good deeds” they are doing in providing extra places to blacks and Hispanics justifies the large number of extra slots they are simultaneously taking for themselves and their relatives as a form of payment.

    I would add a twist that the “good deeds” on the table could include sterling service to the white right. It was Jews that led the charge against affirmative action and succeeded not only in limiting it, but in providing a huge amount of intellectual firepower against AA, firepower embraced enthusiastically by the white right.

    Aside from early AA attacks by Jews like Glazer and Bakke, another example is prominent Jewish writer Norman Podhoretz, who abandoned any pretence in his classic 1972 Commentary article “Is It Good For Jews”- asserting that Jews had a right to aggressively defend their group interest. Podhoretz slammed affirmative action- saying “Jews must be inevitably harmed by any move in the direction of a system of proportional representation according to group. Podhoretz and other Jewish “neo-cons” would be instrumental in bringing numerous white voters, particularly of the white working class, into the conservative fold over the issue of “affirmative action quotas.” It was a perfect “wedge” issue, a huge mobilizer, and Jews were prominent in exploiting it for the benefit of the white right- which could, using the powerful frameworks and arguments laid down by the neo-cons, pose as defenders of meritorious color-blindness.

    A lot of thus Jewish firepower also struck an apocalyptic tone, also prominent in the parallel writings of conservatives. Hell, the very walls of Western Civ were falling because textbooks included some minor vignettes of “people of color” according to the more breathless warnings. And massive waves of unqualified culluds were swamping virtuous white people- another dubious claim that stoked white fears and enhanced conservative mobilization tactics. Some of the Jewish construction of this narrative can be seen in the hiring if black faculty under some AA programs. The virtual end of universities was at hand according to dire, doomsday neo-con warning. But as more discerning analysts noted:

    “The catastrophic scenarios conjured by the neo-conservatives and the [Jewish] agencies never came to pass. In fact between 1968 and 1973, blacks’ share of total university faculty jobs grew from 2.2 to 2.9 percent; with historically black colleges and universities removed from the calculations, blacks made up only 0.9 percent of the professoriate. Over the next twenty years, black representation among full-time faculty members grew only .05 percent.”
    –Nancy Maclean. 2008. Freedom is Not Enough

    In short Jews helped the white right immensely, both in the construction of propaganda memes and in intellectual argumentation- but in doing so, they shrewdly positioned themselves as the epitomy of “merit” and therefore, may feel entitled to the disproportionate number of slots at the elite tables. Hell, didn’t we fight side by side with you conservatives agin the cullud menace? Ain’t we entitled to what we have, having rendered that service? In some ways the white right is trapped by its reliance on Jews to do so much of the intellectual lifting. As the most vocally prominent group in the fight for justice, liberty, merit and other good things-versus dastardly quotas for those blacks, Jews extracted payment from the goy. Now they sit over-represented in the very seats of elite goy power, unable to be easily dislodged because they “own” the merit issue.

    I think it could be argued that your careful analyses are laying the framework for deconstruction or at least, getting people to take a fresh look at the game, beyond the usual simplistic propaganda narratives. The fact that opponents avoid engaging your argument on the merits, but resort to “minimization” or strawman tactics shows you have struck a nerve.

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