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Wednesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo met for seven hours at Hickam Air Force Base in Hawaii with the chief architect of China’s foreign policy, Yang Jiechi.

The two had much to talk about.

As The Washington Post reports, the “bitterly contentious relationship” between our two countries has “reached the lowest point in almost half a century.” Not since Nixon went to China have relations been so bad.

Early this week, Chinese and Indian soldiers fought with rocks, sticks and clubs along the Himalayan truce line that dates back to their 1962 war. Twenty Indian soldiers died, some pushed over a cliff into a freezing river in the highest-casualty battle between the Asian giants in decades.

Among the issues surely raised with Pompeo by the Chinese is the growing bipartisan vilification of China and its ruling Communist Party by U.S. politicians the closer we come to November.

The U.S. has been putting China in the dock for concealing information on the coronavirus virus until it had spread, lying about it, and then letting Wuhan residents travel to the outside world while quarantining them inside China.

In America, it has become good politics to be tough on China.

The reasons are many.

High among them are the huge trade deficits with China that led to an historic deindustrialization of America, China’s emergence as the world’s first industrial power, and a U.S. dependency on Chinese imports for the vital necessities of our national life.

Then there is the systematic theft of intellectual property from U.S. companies in China and Beijing’s deployment of thousands of student-spies into U.S. colleges and universities to steal security secrets.

Then there is the suppression of Christianity, the denial of rights to the people of Tibet and the discovery of an archipelago of concentration camps in western China to “reeducate” Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs to turn them into more loyal and obedient subjects.

Among the strategic concerns of Pompeo: China’s fortification of islets, rocks and reefs in the South China Sea and use of its warships to drive Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indonesian and Philippine fishing vessels out of their own territorial waters that China now claims.

Another worry for Pompeo: China’s buildup of medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, a nuclear arsenal not contained or covered by the Cold War arms agreements between Russia and the United States.

Then there were those provocative voyages by a Chinese aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait to intimidate Taipei and show Beijing’s hostility toward the recently reelected pro-U.S. government on the island.

Finally, there are China’s growing restrictions on the freedoms the people of Hong Kong have enjoyed under the Basic Law negotiated with the United Kingdom when the territory was ceded back to Beijing in 1997.

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Also on the menu at Hickam was almost surely the new bellicosity out of Pyongyang. This week, the building in Kaesong, just inside North Korea, where bilateral peace talks have been held between the two Koreas, was blown up by the North. With the explosion came threats from the North to send combat troops back into positions they had vacated along the DMZ.

The rhetoric out of the North against South Korean President Moon Jae-in, coming from the 32-year-old sister of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, the rising star of the regime, Kim Yo Jong, has been scalding.

In a statement this week, Kim Yo Jong derided Moon as a flunky of the Americans: “It is our fixed judgment that it is no longer possible to discuss the North-South ties with such a servile partner engaging only in disgrace and self-ruin, being soaked by deep-rooted flunkyism.”

North Korea’s state media published photos of the destruction of the joint liaison office. Pyongyang is shutting off communications with Seoul, and a frustrated South looks to be ginning up and reciprocating.

The North-South detente appears dead, and President Trump’s special relationship with Kim Jong Un may not be far behind.

There are rumors of a renewal of nuclear weapons and long-range missile tests by the North, suspension of which was one of the diplomatic achievements of Trump.

Whether Trump’s cherished trade deal with China can survive the growing iciness between the two nations remains to be seen.

What the Chinese seem to be saying with their actions — against India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan, Australia, Hong Kong and Japan — is this: Your American friends and allies are yesterday. We are tomorrow. The future of Asia belongs to us. Deal with it!

No one should want a hot war, or a new cold war, with China or North Korea.

But if Trump was relying on his special relationships with Kim Jong Un and Xi Jinping, his trade deal with China and his commitment by Kim to give up nuclear weapons for recognition, trade and aid, he will have to think again.

For the foreseeable future, Communist bellicosity out of Beijing and Pyongyang seem in the cards, if not worse.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m less worried about coexistence with communists in Asia than I am about coexistence with communists in the US.

    We more-or-less coexist with communists in Cuba. We leave them alone. They mostly leave us alone. We never made the mistake of trading with them as we did with China.

    We need to decouple economically from China. Then we need to make a decision: Is it worth defending Australia, Singapore, Taiwan, The Philippines (even under their current nutcase president), Japan, and South Korea, or should we ask them to develop their own nuclear weapons and delivery systems with our blessing and thus remove them all from the US sphere of defense. Those really are the only options. I think sober minded people, even America-Firsters like ourselves, should see the value in not nuclearizing the Western Pacific, even if it means war with China when they inevitably attack. On the other hand, I’m certainly willing to be persuaded otherwise.

    • Replies: @Kouros
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Anon
  2. nsa says:

    Papist Paddy has taken Lying By Omission to a new level, as usual willfully ignoring the jew in the woodpile. The main grit in the vaseline: the Chinese have not allowed American “financial services and products” (the jew) into their domestic economy to loot the place, preferring to be cheated by their own less sophisticated Han scammers…..and the jew is pissed. Imagine the immense tantatalizing riches the jew could extracted from 1.4 billion Chinese chumps if only they would allow in western insurance, annuities, reverse mortgages, 18% credit cards, retail payday outlets on every corner, credit default swaps, home equity loans, tax dodging trusts, etc. If not for an extensive Chinese nuclear weapon arsenal, the jew would have had its sad satrap, Amelika, attack China long ago.

    • LOL: Amerimutt Golems
    • Troll: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Biff
  3. Rational says:

    THE CHINESE KNOW AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE DOGS, SO THEY DON’T RESPECT USA.

    The Chinese are behaving badly, because they know if they spit on American politicians, the Americans will still lick their boots, because they see the stupid American politicians, media and the mother selling corporate thugs:

    1. Pandering to blacks, kneeling to them, when a black thug dies, though blacks rape and murder white people day in and day out.

    2. Giving the trash of the world visas, despite knowing they will steal secrets and rape and murder their women and men;

    3. The Supreme Court crooks pandering homos, lying that sex means homos, fraudulently supporting the alien invasion, DACA, whore mongering laws like VAWA, etc.

    4. Crooked politicians who let Antifa thugs take over a city and “establish” zones, and let black thugs burn police stations;

    Etc. etc. etc.

    The whole world is laughing at the mother-selling scum bags called the US govt. No wonder the Chinese feel emboldened.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  4. I do not see how any of the “strategic concerns” mentioned here are of any significance to the USA. Taiwan, Tibet, Uighurs, the South China sea or treatment of Hong Kong. They should be no more of a concern to America then they are to Mexico.

    • Agree: Realist, Marshal Marlow
  5. d dan says:

    “The reasons are many.
    High among them …
    Then there is …
    Then there is …
    Among the strategic concerns …
    Another worry …
    Then there were …
    Finally, there are …”

    Wow, with $26 trillions debt and still fast growing, highest unemployment rate since the great depression, a coming long recession, over 2 millions Covid-19 infected, racial divisions, nation wide protests, BLM, … etc, US still has the energy to care about Chinese Muslim minority, Tibetans’ rights, Hong Kong political freedoms, Malaysian fishing vessels and South Koreans’ feeling.

    Have to admire the chutzpah of Americans.

  6. No American has a right to complain about Chinese bellicosity or dishonesty.
    All sane Americans have a duty to complain about their own nation’s bellicosity and dishonesty.
    Lead by example, America. Your words are worthless.

  7. Franz says:

    High among them are the huge trade deficits with China that led to an historic deindustrialization of America, China’s emergence as the world’s first industrial power, and a U.S. dependency on Chinese imports for the vital necessities of our national life.

    And just who did that?

    Republicans called all that “free trade” and battered anyone as protectionist if they pointed out that China would be a nightmare if they become The Arsenal of Asia the way US industry was the Arsenal of Democracy.

    Since Pat Buchanan wrote a book, The Great Betrayal, about just that and probably lost a good percentage of his donor base for doing so, my guess is the Globocrats won and the US working class took it on the chin… again.

    The silver lining is the war now heating up between China and India. What’s left of the West should pray they both blast each other into orbit.

  8. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    In America, it has become good politics to be tough on China.

    So we’re served up another Exceptional! war drum break, before resuming the Team Red rally for the next Most Important Election Ever.

    Was it “huge trade deficits with China that led to an historic deindustrialization of America”? Hard to think about stuff like that when you’re busy black washing China over imperialism without dripping any on Uncle Sam.

    But how can anyone write

    Another worry for Pompeo: China’s buildup of medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, a nuclear arsenal not contained or covered by the Cold War arms agreements between Russia and the United States.

    without acknowledging that Washington, at the direction of Mr. Pompeo, has been abrogating those agreements?

    Of course,

    No one should want a hot war, or a new cold war, with China or North Korea.

    Mr. Buchanan throws things like this, often piously, into the propaganda to fool his dwindling fans. Any other reasonably informed reader of this column sees that he is carrying Beltway water, shamelessly and hypocritically increasing the likelihood of more death and destruction.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Marshal Marlow
  9. I use to have so much respect for Pat, but all he seems to produce these days are bullet points of common knowledge. Summaries.

    Perhaps a name change is in order Pat? ‘Captain Obvious’ would work.

  10. @d dan

    Absolutely, d.dan.
    All the “reasons” Pat mentions for constantly insulting & economically attacking China are neither here nor there. They are convenient sticks to hit China with.
    No there are basically 2 reasons for the China antagonism. The general reason ? China looks like making the “exceptional nation” not quite so exceptional. The US doesn’t admit equals, let alone superiors. The particular reason ? Mr Trump is not doing very well politically at the moment. So, the tried & true method to deal with domestic political problems ? — blame a foreigner. Might work, too….

    • Agree: Realist
  11. Once a White House flack, always a White House flack, I guess. Except for one of Pat’s charges, there is either zero evidence or they are distorted and misleading.

    The U.S. has been putting China in the dock for concealing information on the coronavirus virus until it had spread, lying about it, and then letting Wuhan residents travel to the outside world while quarantining them inside China

    This is pure WH flackery: none of these charges are grounded in reality, so Pat carefully attributes these silly allegations to the US, the world’s biggest liar.

    huge trade deficits with China that led to an historic deindustrialization of America

    The US was running huge trade deficits long before it began trading seriously with China.

    Then there is the systematic theft of intellectual property from U.S. companies in China and Beijing’s deployment of thousands of student-spies into U.S. colleges and universities to steal security secrets

    There is no proof, in any IP jurisdiction from the WTO’s TRIPS to San Jose and New York, that China has ever purloined significant American IP. Nor does it need to: China is far ahead of us in STEM research and most technologies.

    Then there is the suppression of Christianity, the denial of rights to the people of Tibet and the discovery of an archipelago of concentration camps in western China to “reeducate” Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs

    The only ‘suppression’ is that most sects must practice privately (Tibetans excepted) and not proselytize. And, of course, not go on Wahabbi terrorist sprees.

    China’s fortification of islets, rocks and reefs in the South China Sea

    China occupies the same islets, rocks and reefs in the South China Sea that it has occupied since 1987.

    China’s growing restrictions on the freedoms the people of Hong Kong have enjoyed under the Basic Law

    Really? Name one of those growing restrictions. Just one.

    China’s buildup of medium- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, a nuclear arsenal not contained or covered by the Cold War arms agreements between Russia and the United States.

    Pat nails this one without realizing that, in every category from petite A2A missiles to monstrous ICBMs, China’s hardware outranges ours by 50%-150%, is more accurate, and packs a bigger punch. But of course, that’s just an afterthought.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • LOL: Escher
  12. Absolutely pathetic article. Empty neocon pablum that could’ve come straight from CNN or Fox News.

  13. Realist says:
    @anonymous

    No country on the face of the earth is more bellicose and hegemonic than the US…none. I would believe the Chinese government over the US government any day.

    The wealthy and power elite…Deep State had no concern about sacrificing my life and those of hundreds of thousands of other young Americans in the goddamn unnecessary Vietnam war. Tragically over 58,000 were not as lucky as I, and other survivors were. I will never forget…or forgive.

    • Thanks: bluedog
  14. Once again, Pat uses ‘we’ to mean the CIA police state propping up the US kleptocracy. Hate to break it to you, Pat, but that’s like when Duke wins and toothless NC rednecks say ‘we won.’ In each case you ain’t part of we. They purged your president, Pat. They let you run hopeless campaigns to obscure their rigged elections.

    Like a reanimated Ghibelline who wakes up still warring with the Guelphs, Pat perseverates his limbic scare word communists. There are no more communists, Pat. What we have nowadays is ICESCR treaty parties. They enjoy legitimacy and popular support that US apparatchiks cannot dream of.

    As for the CIA police state propping up the US kleptocracy, the simple answer to your question is No. It cannot coexist with the SCO. So it won’t. The SCO does not have to take shit from a degenerate kleptocracy trapped in retrograde development. So the US kleptocracy and its CIA police state are going to go away. That’s a very good thing. Everybody right and left hates this kleptocratic police state. Some have been tricked into blaming its predation on one of CIA’s two artificial parties.

    When the SCO deftly decapitates it, you will see. The outside world will reconstruct your shithole country according to ECOSOC principles, and your shitty American treadmill of a life will improve.

    Tune in tomorrow for our next episode of Simple Answers to Dumb Questions.

    • Agree: haha
    • Thanks: Hacienda
    • Replies: @Hacienda
  15. polistra says:

    China stopped being Communist in 1980. China is capitalist, just like us. Both countries are identical. China uses capitalism to provide jobs for China’s people, while we use capitalism to provide jobs for China’s people. Exactly the same.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @GuestAug
  16. KlcTan says:

    Pat Buchanan wrote: “The U.S. has been putting China in the dock for concealing information on the coronavirus virus until it had spread, lying about it, and then letting Wuhan residents travel to the outside world while quarantining them inside China.”

    Pat has brought lying to a whole new level. Following his master of liars, Trump ??

  17. KA says:

    Few in the top really believe in nationalism or patriotism at any time .Even religious fervor is often for show during times of peace and prosperity . But most know how to use it to advance in careers.

    US’s higher echelon made of wealthy, businessmen , clergy , authors and columnist and above all politicians find and see these elements as ladders to rise and rise . In this case that ladder is also made by China .

  18. KlcTan says:

    Pat wrote: “Finally, there are China’s growing restrictions on the freedoms the people of Hong Kong..”

    Another humongous lie. According to the CATO Institute Human Freedom Index, in 2019, Hong Kong is ranked no 4th place compared to US ranked at 17th. HK has much, much, more freedom than the US.

    Concentration camps in Xinjiang ?? This is spun from the imagination of the anti-China haters.

  19. KenH says:

    America is in the throes of a violent anti-white, communist revolution at home and all Pat can do is rhapsodize about Chinese communism and if we can coexist with it.

  20. The two superpowers managed to coexist during the Cold War, from the second half of which Marxist China was in alliance with America in containing the Marxist Soviet Union. A few decades earlier Moscow had been an ally of Washington against Nazi Germany. Alliance systems are based on interests not principles. Washington and Beijing are on a collision course, and war between these titans will be a global catastrophe. History warns that great-power rivalry ends in war. But in the nuclear Age fighting a world war has become too dangerous. The choice is to co-exist or not exist.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  21. Rurik says:

    Chinese and Indian soldiers fought with rocks, sticks and clubs

    Twenty Indian soldiers died

    some pushed over a cliff into a freezing river

    and the discovery of an archipelago of concentration camps in western China

    Kim Yo Jong derided Moon as a flunky of the Americans

    Taiwan, Australia, Hong Kong and Japan — is this: Your American friends and allies are yesterday. We are tomorrow. The future of Asia belongs to us. Deal with it!

    can’t speak for the Asians, but if I was an Aussie, I’d prefer to be aligned under the hegemony of an ascendant China, than the George Floyd-worshiping, psychotically anti-white, anti-straight, reign of the Talmudic rats of the ZUSA.

    At least the Chinese show no signs of wanting to see every last Australian girl gang raped ‘Leb style’, and their boys (as in the Boy Scouts of America) led by flaming homos, and now ordered to get their ‘diversity badge’ as mandatory.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/06/boy-scouts-back-blm-make-diversity-badge-mandatory-daniel-greenfield/

    Like with NASCAR, reflexively genuflecting to blacks- as guilty and servile whites, is becoming our mandated cultural imperative. Only blacks get free health care in Kentucky, because poor whites are racists and don’t deserve it.

    Look to China- Australia and Asia. Repudiate the Satanic scum of the ZUS with your every breath and action. The ZUSA would have your daughters all given the Rotherham treatment if they could. They loath your white guts, like no Chinese ever could.

    I hate to say it, (and never thought I would) but an alignment with the Satanic ZUS today, is far worse than an alignment with communist China, such is the unhinged insanity of zion’$ total control of the West.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @dfordoom
  22. KA says:

     Ryan Grim and Akela Lacy revealed, a Republican super PAC is helping fund Engel’s reelection effort, behind the scenes, via a $100,000 donation to a pro-Engel super PAC called Democratic Majority for Israel. https://theintercept.com/2020/06/19/eliot-engel-foreign-policy-israel/ Rather than backing Bowman, Democratic Party leaders like Nancy Pelosi, James Clyburn, and Adam Schiff have lined up behind Engel. Hillary Clinton decided to make the New York Democrat her first primary endorsement of 2020. “https://theintercept.com/2020/06/19/eliot-engel-foreign-policy-israel/

    Why does Republican support a guy whose so called values go against so called values of Republican ?
    May be for this reason Engel was among a minority of House Democrats to vote for the illegal invasion of Iraq. “It would be a monumental mistake not to support” George W. Bush, he proclaimed on the House floor in October 2002, as he disingenuously tried to link Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to Al Qaeda and the wider “war on terror.” He told his colleagues, “In this era of terrorism, the U.S. has to be proactive.” Engel, then the ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, opposed Obama’s Iran deal. In September 2015, he was one of only 25 House Democrats to vote against it — compared to 162 Democrats who backed the JCPOA.Engel “was an outspoken supporter of Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital,” insists the United States “should veto any and all U.N. resolutions critical of Israel,” and has “pushed for defunding the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.”

    You get Bolton whose only fealty is to Israel and he captures liberal and Democrat’s plaudits . To survive and win co existence with China , Trump needed to drain the swamp .

  23. dfordoom says: • Website

    God knows that some rubbish articles get published on UR but this latest one from Pat may be the worst yet. Maybe it’s time to think about a nursing home? It might be the kindest thing.

    Mind you it’s no surprise. Pat is a guy who still thinks Nixon will make another comeback.

    • Troll: AaronB
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    , @VinnyVette
  24. @Godfree Roberts

    The endless blaming of China for the covid-19 epidemic in the US gets very tiresome. Assuming the CIA didn’t know all about covid last fall (which is quite an assumption), The Unz Review published a long article from “Metallicman” about the corona pandemic in Wuhan back in January.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  25. Ko says:

    NO.

    I read only the headline.

  26. @Rurik

    Excellent comment, Rurik, and I concur. America is dying. What is Buchanan’s source for proclaiming that China and India fought each other with only “rocks, sticks, and clubs?” I found that sentence quite amusing. Did the two enemies make a pact to not kill each other with guns or other lethal weapons? Btw, I remember reading that more Chinese died than Indians.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @d dan
    , @Alden
  27. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    One can (rightfully) criticize the inaccuracies in this article without reflexively fellating the communist Chinese regime.
    You should try it sometime, Mr. Roberts. Your knee pads will last a lot longer.

    • Replies: @Escher
  28. Well, if US can co-exist with Zionist supremacists, globo-homo degenerates, Negro thugs, and illegal invaders — indeed, not just co-exist with them but worship them — INSIDE THE US, I’m sure US can co-exist with Chinese ‘commies’ who are across the Pacific.

    America, impotently unwilling or unable to deal with real problems in the country, always viagras and swings its boner at other nations that aren’t protected by PC taboos.

  29. @d dan

    Wow, with $26 trillions debt and still fast growing, highest unemployment rate since the great depression, a coming long recession, over 2 millions Covid-19 infected, racial divisions, nation wide protests, BLM, … etc, US still has the energy to care about Chinese Muslim minority, Tibetans’ rights, Hong Kong political freedoms, Malaysian fishing vessels and South Koreans’ feeling.

    Have to admire the chutzpah of Americans.

    I think it is more to do with being born out of a rebellion.

    They need constant enemies, phantom or real, be it ‘redcoats’ (Britain), Canada, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Japan, the USSR or today China, Russia and Iran.

  30. @d dan

    Ah yes … a Chinese aircraft carrier in Chinese waters is an unheard-of provocation that cries for vindication to the very heavens – they even CALL themselves the “Empire under Heaven” fer Chrissake, how can any sentient being possibly coexist with them? – while an American peace carrier in Chinese waters is a freedom of navigation shining white stallion on the hill an sheet.

    And then they wonder – in all bloody innocent seriousness – why the Germans refuse to pay for the sorry spectacle.

    Lasciate ogni speranza 😛

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  31. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    Thanks follyofwar,

    Yea, Pat’s crocodile tears are a joke. Some soldiers were pushed into freezing water! The humanity!

    America isn’t just dying, it’s being murdered, with the enthusiastic participation of our ruling elites.

    Only blacks will receive free health care in Kentucky, The typical working family in Kentucky pays thousands in state income taxes, but if after paying those taxes, they can’t afford health care, then the state of Kentucky will let them die of their afflictions, because they’re white, (and therefor racist and guilty and deserve to die).

    And since the governor is actually declaring this to be the case, because governor Beshear believes “health care is a basic human right”, what does that say about the poor white residents of Kentucky who will not receive this free health care?

    And clearly he thinks this tiered, cast-system of first and second class citizens, is a winning strategy for reelection, or he wouldn’t be pursuing it.

    I’ve lived in this country my entire life, and I don’t recognize it. It’s a surreal, Twilight Zone, Alice in Wonderland farce. Only it’s all too real.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  32. d dan says:
    @follyofwar

    “What is Buchanan’s source for proclaiming that China and India fought each other with only “rocks, sticks, and clubs?””

    Actually this part is true. This week, China and India have the most serious clash along their disputed borders in decade, The soldiers are not allow to shoot – that has been the strict protocol by their commanders and political leaders – to prevent uncontrolled escalation. So they fought with sticks and clubs. At least 20 Indians died. See this link for some background info:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/why-the-chinese-indian-skirmishes-may-escalate.html#more

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  33. Hacienda says:
    @News from the days of yore

    Once again, Pat uses ‘we’ to mean the CIA police state propping up the US kleptocracy.

    I thought “we” meant the Sears shopping silent generation. But your take on it is just as good.

  34. Can We Coexist with Asia’s Communists?

    No. Not because it is impossible, but because the Unconscionable Syndicate of Avarice won’t.

    China will not rest till it surpasses the USA in every sphere of military competition. War for them is not a question of if, but when.

    Latest Pentagon reports anticipate a possible three-fold EMP attack—high altitude, hypersonic, and satellite—in the early stages of conflict. By devastating the electric grid, it could threaten 90% of the Syndicate population through starvation and civil unrest.

    Time of troubles, indeed. Perhaps Chaz is accepting applicants for asylum.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  35. Kouros says:
    @Anon

    “We more-or-less coexist with communists in Cuba. We leave them alone. ” That is not the case, US has imposed a 60+ years embargo on the island, with new sanctions added recently by Trump.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  36. DB Cooper says:

    Worry not about Asia communist. Worry about Asia democracy, specifically largest democracy land grabbing $hithole India. If you have not heard about this that is because of the narrative based MSM news. But this is why you are here in unz.com because you know better. Here is what the self-proclaimed world’s largest democracy did to its neighbors since its creation in 1947:

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    1947 Annexation of Kashmir:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/indias-shame/
    http://thediplomat.com/2015/08/kashmirs-young-rebels/
    1949 Annexation of Manipur:
    http://www.tehelka.com/manipurs-merger-with-india-was-a-forced-annexation/
    http://www.passblue.com/2017/09/05/in-lush-manipur-women-work-for-peace-as-militarization-marches-on/
    1949 Annexation of Tripura:
    http://www.crescent-online.net/2009/09/the-myths-of-one-nation-and-one-hinduism-in-india-zawahir-siddique-2316-articles.html
    1951 Annexation of South Tibet:
    http://kanglaonline.com/2011/06/khathing-the-taking-of-tawang/
    http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article2582.html
    http://chasfreeman.net/india-pakistan-and-china/
    1954 Annexation of Nagaland:
    http://morungexpress.com/desire-nagas-live-separate-nation-deserved/
    http://nagalandmusings.blogspot.com/2013/01/indias-untold-genocide-of-nagas.html
    1954 Attempt annexation of Sikkim and Bhutan (Failed):
    http://redbarricade.blogspot.hk/2013/01/twisted-truth.html
    1961 Annexation of Goa:
    http://www.ruleoflaw.org.au/the-annexation-of-goa/
    http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/goa-falls-indian-troops
    http://goa-invasion-1961.blogspot.in/2013/09/india-pirated-goa-china-is-regaining_16.html
    1962 Annexation of Kalapani, Nepal:
    http://www.eurasiareview.com/07032012-indian-hegemony-in-nepal-oped/
    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1239348
    http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/land-disputes-116/
    1962 Aggression against China:
    http://gregoryclark.net/redif.html
    http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/news-events/podcasts/renewed-tension-indiachina-border-whos-blame
    1971 Annexation of Turtuk, Pakistan:
    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/suddenly-indian
    1972 Annexation of Tin Bigha, Bangladesh:
    http://www.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2014/feb/20/killing-fields
    1975 Annexation of Sikkim (the whole country):
    http://nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621#.UohjPHQo6LA
    http://www.passblue.com/2015/07/22/a-small-himalayan-kingdom-remembers-its-lost-independence/

    http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/Indian-hegemonism-drags-Himalayan-kingdom-into-oblivion
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/annexation-of-sikkim-by-india-was-not-legal-wangchuk-namgyal/1/391498.html
    1983 (Aborted) Attempted invasion of Mauritius:
    http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/when-india-almost-invaded-mauritius/
    1984 Annexation of Ladakh
    https://dailytimes.com.pk/452178/china-and-indian-annexation-of-kashmir-ladakh/
    1987 Invasion of Sri Lanka
    http://www.asiantribune.com/node/63316
    1990 (Failed) First Attempted annexation of Bhutan:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/07/world/india-based-groups-seek-to-disrupt-bhutan.html
    2006 Annexation of Duars, Bhutan:
    http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2015/11/different-kind-of-anxieties-on.html#comment-form
    2013 Annexation of Moreh, Myanmar:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nehginpao-kipgen/easing-indiamyanmar-borde_b_4633040.html
    2017 Aggression against China:
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/07/06/sikkim-stand-off-china-india-collide-himalayas/
    http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/2102555/indias-china-war-round-two
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/china-india-standoff-modi-has-bitten-off-more-than-he-can-chew/
    2017 (Failed) Second Attempted annexation of Bhutan:
    http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-strategy-behind-india-doklam.html
    http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2106709/india-must-find-face-saving-pretext-and-withdraw-doklam
    2018 (Thwarted) Attempt invasion of the Maldives
    https://www.ft.com/content/332a5b1a-1155-11e8-8cb6-b9ccc4c4dbbb
    https://thewire.in/223916/keep-off-maldives-yameen-government-tells-indian-military/?utm_source=alsoread
    2020 Annexation of Limpiyadhura, Kalapani and Lipulekh, Nepal
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/nepal-confronts-india-in-lipulekh-border-dispute/

  37. @Godfree Roberts

    This reply is a nice counterpoint to this Washington jingoistic propaganda piece backed by almost nothing. It seems a shame, in general, that replies tend to be terse. It would be nice to see replies more fully developed, I for one would certainly learn more from such a reply, acknowledging the large amount of work that would entail and maybe is not to the taste of many, I do understand why it is rarely done. In any case, thanks for your comments. I found it informative.

  38. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    but if I was an Aussie, I’d prefer to be aligned under the hegemony of an ascendant China

    I am an Aussie. And I’d definitely prefer Chinese hegemony to American hegemony.

    The Chinese want to make money. The Americans want to force their degeneracy and decadence on the whole planet.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with Zionism though. It’s just crazed American Puritanism in a new guise.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @sonofman
  39. 76239 says:

    “High among them are the huge trade deficits with China that led to an historic de-industrialization of America”

    Self inflicted. The costs to do business were raised for any number of reasons. In your face, and in your wallet government has a price to be paid. Businesses are just like any consumer; they go down the street for a lower prices. The result of these alphabet soup government agencies and the long list of laws empowering them was that business was chased out of the country in search of lower costs.

    Why wouldn’t they want to do business in a country with lower costs just like a consumer would want to do business with a store that has lower prices on similar goods?

    • Replies: @Alden
  40. @dfordoom

    What´s the difference? Didn´t it all start with Cromwell?

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  41. haha says:
    @dfordoom

    I think Mr. Buchanan is way over the hill. His recent articles read like the demented outpouring of wrath of one foaming at the mouth.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  42. LOL. The 1950’s are calling back.
    Have you checked today that no communists are hiding under your bed?

    News flash: Communism is dead.
    All over the world, everything and everyone are for sale. Capitalism won as decisively as possible.
    And you people are still butthurt, because the former communists are now better capitalists than you. Talk about being never satisfied.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Realist
  43. @Anon

    America will never defend those countries, will only defend its bases there. And there has been no Cuban aggression against the US, always US aggression against Cuba. Because Cuba serves its people and the world and got rid of a murderous dictator who was a US puppet, while the US serves its oligarchs and lets its peoples’ life expectancy fall below Cuba’s.

  44. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    “Communist China” — Pat is still stuck in the cold war era and think there’s still such a thing as a Communist country. Communist China is more capitalist than America.

    As for whether we can coexist, we don’t have a choice do we? What do you want, a full scale hot war? America needs another war like we need a hole in the head! If Mike Pompeo, Pat and the rest of their neocon ilk are wary of the yellow peril, then let’s go ahead and sever all ties with China, have a total and complete decoupling. Bring back all our industries, ban all their citizens from entering the US and expel all their current and former citizens living in the US. Then, for the love of God leave them the fuck alone to run their own damn country as they see fit. If they want to stir up shite with their neighbors, they will face their own consequences. Last time I check, America is not part of Asia. GTFO of Asia and leave Asia to the Asians.

    Where does America get off telling everyone else how to run their country? We can’t even run our own! The arrogance and greed of Pompeo and his Zionist backers are insufferable. The best thing that could happen to the world is the death of Pompeo and the neocon filth.

  45. anaccount says:

    How am I supposed to be concerned about China?

    You and I don’t have a country anymore! We haven’t for quite some time as it turns out.

    The US isn’t worth invading at this point but I would greet Russian paratroopers with vodka and cigarettes if they landed in my neighborhood. I would prefer Russia for obvious reasons but things are getting so crazy I wouldn’t oppose a PRC invasion either. I doubt they hate White people as much as the people in charge right now.

    That would be pretty hard to do.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  46. Alden says:
    @follyofwar

    All the news sites I’ve seen claim the Indians and Chinese just threw rocks. It’s probably true. Whether they’re the regular army or a separate force, border guards in every country are under orders to avoid armed conflict.

    Unless of course, one or both countries wants to start a war.

    This is the standard Buchanan template. Just fill in a few recent events like Kim Jong’s sister appearing to be more active in the government lately.

  47. Alden says:
    @76239

    My opinion is the combination of excess government regulations, affirmative action and environmental lawsuits drove business out of America.

  48. @KenH

    Partly agree. But you sound like a typical American brainwashed fanatic using “communist” to demonize. Read the Communist Manifesto and learn how it stands for more freedom than Americans have and explains everything carefully.

    • Replies: @KenH
  49. anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Was there any discussion of a 57-year old Chinese diplomat found dead in TelAviv, or of Pompeo’s role in scuppering a Chinese deal to build a desalinization plant in the land of US bestest ally ?

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-death-in-herzliya/

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/israel-us-china-donald-trump-benjamin-netanyahu-mike-pompeo.html

  50. @KenH

    I mean, America is not in the throes of a “communist” revolution, but of the workings of the CIA and turmoil created as a distraction by the kleptocrats.

  51. @d dan

    Thanks. I wouldn’t have believed it. But Buchanan only told half of the story, as 43 Chinese may have died.

  52. @SeekerofthePresence

    I mean, America is not in the throes of a “communist” revolution, but of the workings of the CIA and turmoil created as a distraction by the kleptocrats.

  53. @nokangaroos

    He said crazed. Crazed American Puritanism. And Puritanism was an offshoot of the Anglicans but Cromwell was not an Anglican but a Congregationalist. And the difference between English Puritans and New England Puritans was significant. And early English writings distinguish three religious categories, Papists, Puritans and Protestants. I guess the Protestant perspective was that a Protestant heretic is not a Protestant.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  54. Alden says:
    @another anon

    I think they’re articles he wrote decades ago and just inserted some recent events and contemporary politicians

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  55. d dan says:

    The author says: “Chinese and Indian soldiers fought with rocks, sticks and clubs…”

    In other news, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin CEOs issue a joint statement denouncing the uses of these barbaric weapons as cruel and sadistic. The trend toward stone age fighting need to be suppressed immediately lest their families wouldn’t be able to afford the Chinese made toys this Christmas – especially after Trump imposed 25% tariffs.

    /s

  56. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden

    I think they’re articles he wrote decades ago and just inserted some recent events and contemporary politicians

    Well, Buchanan’s now in his 80s and I know he’s had quite a few health problems over the years.

    I can’t believe that his residual syndicated column is much of a priority, so he probably delegated it years ago to some intern, who gets all his knowledge of the world and history from FoxNews and Breitbart. Maybe every now and then Buchanan takes a look at the column and fixes something.

    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  57. See Mr. Buchanan, had your ancestors not left that all-white paradise called Great Britain 400 years ago, none of this would have happened to you. Your white trash ancestors built “a shining city on the hill”, unfortunately the hill did not belong to them and to add insult to injury they were too effeminate to do the hard work in the land they had just stolen, so they started importing niggers in large numbers to do it for them, for free. The irony in all this, is that after almost four centuries of this savagery called “Murica” going on, it’s neither your beloved Anglo McFaggot people nor the descendants of black slaves that will inherit the country they supposedly built, but the much more resilient spics, chinks and kikes. Your Anglo-Saxon criminal abilities are yesterday’s news and somebody else is eating your lunch now, this is the real reason for your anxieties. We will plunder “Murica” in front of your very eyes and realistically speaking, you can only complain about it, nothing else. So keep complaining Mr. Buchanan.

  58. @anonymous

    Mr. Buchanan throws things like this, often piously, into the propaganda to fool his dwindling fans.

    I’ve noticed this too. His pattern is to sandwich his imperialistic blood lust between doves of peace. I bet he’s a terrible poker player.

  59. Dwr says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The Han in China are more than ninety percent of the population. They can afford to offer autonomy to minorities of China. Instead they oppress them and invade their ancestral villages. The Communist party of China is control freak, a common disease of communists.

    Nouveau fascist advisers such as Godfree Roberts are pushing China into a ditch.

  60. joun says:

    for sure, I’m gonna be scared of Chinese communists. Way to have your finger on the pulse of America, Pat.

    • Agree: anaccount
  61. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Cromwell allowed the joos back in to promote the Second Coming.
    I didn´t mean to start a theological dispute 😉

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  62. Sean says:

    The sudden explosion of bile from North Korea coinciding with China’s diplomatic stock being at an all time low, makes it abundantly clear that Kim is Xi’s sock puppet. The problem is that Japan and South Korea are reaping economic benefits from dealing with China, eg South Korea supplies the microprocessors for Huawei 5G. Given that they are being guarded at US taxpayer expense, while predatorily exporting to the US and aiding China to, and using the supposed Kim danger to parry US tariffs, the US’s key regional ‘allies’ are nothing of the kind. Hence containing China will prove impossible. Withdrawing troops from Germany, a massive capital good supplier to China and customer for Russian energy, is proving extremely controversial for Trump. What will probably happen is American will be militarily over extended while being economically hollowed out by China with South Korean and Japanese assistance.

    The US finance elite are what counts and their investments are on the China train. The home market of China is what every corporation in the world wants access to. Right now China is luring in US business cooperation on the promise of access to the huge Chinese market, then shaking down the foreign corporations with forced technology transfers. China knows all it needs is to get through the next couple of decades they cannot be stopped becoming a regional hegemon. But they suspect the US might not accept it, and so the Chinese fear some kind of military action by America.

    The Chinese are planning to use an ElectroMagnetic Pulse during any hostilities with America. Which is why the US said the other year that they reserve the right to use nukes in response to a Cyberattack, thereby leaving China in no doubt as to what the US response to a EMP strike would be, however innocuously Chinese chose to classify their use of it. I think the Chinese think another Trump term is best prevented by China’s hirelings in Wall St, the business establishment, and their antifa auxiliaries.

  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @haha

    I think Mr. Buchanan is way over the hill. His recent articles read like the demented outpouring of wrath of one foaming at the mouth.

    Another explanation is that it’s not senility but a desperate attempt to boost Trump by trying to encourage China hatred. If true this means that Buchanan is just another cynical, vicious, dishonest Beltway swamp-dweller.

  64. Exile says:

    Pat, America’s cities are on fire and Jews are leading a Black-fronted putsch on the remaining bastions of White self-defense and political influence in every American city, and you’re writing about the Chinese?

    The Jewish-led Supreme Court just declared itself the official sovereigns of all American law – an open kritarchy that’s existed for years before this but has now removed all pretense of an actual rule of law by Anglo-Saxon principles rather than cynical Tamudry. But let’s talk about China & the Commies.

    Watching you run interference & deflection detail for the GOP that scorns you is getting more and more disheartening to those of us who thought you were one of the stronger paleocon voices of authentic dissent.

    Very disappointing.

  65. DB Cooper says:

    “Then there is the suppression of Christianity, the denial of rights to the people of Tibet and the discovery of an archipelago of concentration camps in western China to “reeducate” Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs to turn them into more loyal and obedient subjects.”

    This religious suppression thing is just absurd if not hilarious. I am sure Pat didn’t get the memo but as far as religion is concerned Chinese people (and as far as I know East Asians in general including the Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese) does not have the concept of brand loyalty, which is at the heart the core reason driving all the religious tension and war in the rest of the world. The United States has an organization that publishes countries religious freedom index annually and unsurprisingly Saudi Arabia is ranked pretty low in the list for obvious reason but China only scores a few rank above Saudi Arabia, which is ridiculous. Ever since Christianity spawned its variant Islam in the sixth century AD the two religions has been best friend ever since because they understand each other, speaks the same kind of language (God is great my god is bigger than your god and you will go to hell blah blah blah type of nonsense) and understand where each side is coming from. This is why together the two religions has been providing endless fun to their adherents for the past fourteen centuries starting from the Crusade. And this is why there is even this thing called religious suppression, freedom of religion, blah blah blah. All this cry for freedom this freedom that is in reality a reaction to the stifling oppressive nature of these religions. Thanks God, China never has this kind of nonsense to begin with and this is why there has never been any religious war in that part of the world. It is a little bit boring of course but at that same time you can do whatever you can and no one gives a hood what you do. And that means a Chinese can go to a Buddhist temple one day and a Taoist temple the other day and this is absolutely normal behavior. Now this is real freedom of religion. Can an American go to a protestant church, a catholic church and a mosque at the same time and be considered normal behavior?

    • Replies: @Lin
  66. @Dwr

    I don’t agree with all your wild polemic but on the first point I’m with you. Was East Turkistan ever part of China? Were the Han there before the Uigurs? Or was it a region just outside China, a small country attacked and conquered by imperialist China?

    And what happened to the right of self-determination? Why weren’t the Uigurs allowed to vote on independence? Instead they have recently been flooded by a wave of Han.

    Same thing goes for Tibet, never part of China, Mongols of the Mongol empire, same Buddhism and Lamas as independent Mongolia. Annexed by China and flooded with Han, who apparently want its water and who also dam the upper Mekong, a disaster for countries downstream and the Delta.

    And grabbing mineral and fishing rights from countries south of China.

  67. @Dwr

    Can you provide documentation for your claim that the Han oppress and invade the ancestral villages of minorities in Chin?

    • Replies: @botazefa
  68. I think Buchanan is soaked in deep rooted flunkyism. Let’s try live and let live with China rather than neocohen talking points.

  69. I’d put China more under the Nationalist Socialist model, than Internationalist Communism, which is much more of a US theme these days.

    Who exports their political model? China or the US? Who just wants to be left alone to buy up resources from the whole planet – without forcing military or ideology on the sellers? China or the US?

    China has always been Nationalist to the point of arrogance – they have no need for the world conquering ideology of Communism, just the best bits of socialism and the best bits of capitalism, which is the balance their system aims to find.

    .. Of course this is repulsive to the true Communists of Mordechai that infest the US political system.

  70. sonofman says:
    @dfordoom

    Sadly, politics in the GOP and DNC has become comparable to the NFL or NBA or MLB; entertainment, albeit much more costly. As our living standards continue to deteriorate, we can only watch as they play games against each other. And it is obvious that the owners of the two leagues have more than just American interests. President Trump is despised by the ruling establishment because he prioritizes the People above party agenda and can’t be completely controlled. And the majority of his voters could still be defined as WASPs, i.e. Protestant, not Puritan. They are certainly not crazy and still have the Christian morals, common sense and defiance to control that defines the American spirit. Most governments just use the concept of nations and do not actually reflect the values and traditions of the people they abuse. Governments are the source of hegemony, degeneracy and decadence. And it does seem that the Zionists do have an elevated influence on US or European government policy. And governments control only people. But don’t forget, the Zionists had to ask permission to become a nation. And they had to ask the people who really rule the world, the European nobles and elite. It is extremely unlikely that Zionist could ever rule over this group of people. (Wouldn’t it be cool if they tried just so we could all hope and pray that, once, just one time, the Queen would forget protocol and we would hear her say, “Fuck you, bitch!”)

  71. Who is this “We” Paddy?

    I certainly can coexist.

  72. @follyofwar

    “Assuming the CIA didn’t know all about covid last fall ”

    If they didn’t the question surely is: Why didn’t Bill Gates tell them?

  73. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Can We Coexist with Asia’s Communists?” asks US socialist Buchanan.

    This just in: Socialism is just “soft” communism, so this is a trick question from a “right wing” socialist, nothing more.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but personally, I can’t live with US socialists, or US communists, let alone Asian socialists/ commies. Fuck em all. I hate their stinkin’ guts, everyone of them, and want nothing more than for them to all fuck off and die- very quickly, or, at the very least , all go live in China, N. Korea or similar.

    No regards, onebornfree

  74. Escher says:
    @Escher

    LOL. So the troll-flaggers are saying:
    1. Opening up trade with China did NOT contribute to accelerated de-industrialization of America. All the documented cases of factories dismantled and shipped to the PRC are fake news.
    2. China is choc-a-bloc with copied machinery, vehicles and of course consumer items. Their citizens have been caught red handed with confidential data of companies like Apple, and even USDOD information. But they do not steal IP.
    Xi must be literally fighting off the attentions of you yellow fever patients.

  75. @onebornfree

    .. and some say only the left is filled with ideological terrorists, well here’s the counterexample.

    You engage in socialism every time you choose cooperation over competition with your fellow man.

    A functioning society balances cooperation and competition. A society of only competition is a society of criminals, out for themselves and themselves only.

  76. Realist says:
    @another anon

    News flash: Communism is dead.

    So is democracy.

  77. Pat were you not a “cold warrior?” How long did we co exist with communist Russia without a hot war or nuclear Armageddon? We should not be fearing the CCP, but the communist takover from within via BLM / ANTIFA and the Democrat party!

  78. KenH says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    But you sound like a typical American brainwashed fanatic using “communist” to demonize. Read the Communist Manifesto and learn how it stands for more freedom than Americans have and explains everything carefully.

    Communist shouldn’t be a pejorative? You sound like one of those people who ignore its bloody history of enslaving, torturing and murdering populations by the millions wherever it’s implemented.

    You also don’t seem to understand that there is communism in theory, which you obviously think is good, and communism in practice. The book Animal Farm is the best satire on communism and how it always leads to dictatorship, rule by criminals and more inequality than before the revolution.

  79. KenH says:

    Can we coexist with American communists destroying our cities, toppling our monuments and fomenting raw hatred of that segment of the white population that doesn’t hate itself.

  80. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The claim that Asia would nuclearize if US pulls out is typical paranoid delusional neocon argument, or maybe it’s just the rationale of the Military Banking Complex to keep America in everyone else’s business to all eternity. War is always good for business.

    China is arming themselves because they are surrounded by hostile US power. US forces are stationed permanently in South Korea, Japan, Guam, Philippines. US warships constantly patrol the Taiwan Straits to make trouble. India is again stirring up shite in their southern border, probably under the prodding of CIA/Pompeo, just like the HK unrest which is mostly work of CIA. If the US pulls all our bases in Asia, China will have much less incentive to boost their military presence. As it is, they have a right to defend themselves. The rest of Asia know how to negotiate peace with China. The US is agitating and creating unnecessary hostility among these countries who all just want to coexist peacefully and do business.

    I agree we need to completely decouple from China, not just for economic but for security reasons. We need to be able to produce our own steel, medicine, medical equipment, high tech gears etc. But it does us no good if the multinationals simply move their factories to rest of Asia instead of bringing them back to the US. We need to up tariffs of all imports from all of Asia to 50%. In addition, we should end all immigration from China, including for F1 student visas, work visas, EB5, even tourist visas, and repatriate all their current and former citizens currently living in the US. In fact, we should end all immigration for the next 40 years period. The takeover of ethnic Indians of our tech industry must end for national security reasons. All IT work offshored should be reshored like our factories.

    Once that is done, we should leave Asia to the Asians. Focus on governing ourselves and turn the US into a shining example for the rest of the world to emulate, rather than constantly trying to tell other countries how to govern themselves while our own country is falling apart, and talking up wars to defend other countries when we can’t even defend ourselves from all the invading “immigrants”.

  81. @dfordoom

    And I think you’re a jackass… No comeback needed ya cool bastard!

  82. @Ron Unz

    Ron you yourself don’t know if one of your contributors has someone ghost writing their columns?

  83. Lin says:
    @DB Cooper

    East Asians in general including the Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese) does not have the concept of brand loyalty, which is at the heart the core reason driving all the religious tension and war in the rest of the world

    Well said. With the possible exception of muslim minorities(identity driven..), the big majority of more religious Chinese didn’t inherit their beliefs from their elders. take me as an examples:
    **both parents are ‘agnostic’ but observe some ancestral worship rites
    **I’m a protestant of alternative conviction(almost all my grade schools are Christian schools) and I’m also a part-time muslim(mostly dietary). I’m well versed enough in religions that I was often labelled as blasphemous. I once mentioned to the displeasure of some that 1)There was a sex scandal related to buddha 2)Psalm23, very sublime supposedly, just ignores the butchery relation between a shepherd and his sheeps.
    **A sister and her husband are ‘devout’ buddhists.
    **A devout RC brother-in-law.
    **A sunday school brother.
    (I recently learned that a 19th century ancestor of my paternal family probably was a muslim)
    ………..
    Let repeat what I said before, religions manifest in a number of ways:
    1)Moral aspiration of the founder God/Gods-goddeses/prophets/saviours….
    2)Theocratic power of the clergy
    3)Tribal/racial/ethnic being and identity or tags, like wearing burqa, cross…’In God/Allah…. we trust’..
    4)Geopolitical vehicle of tribal/racial/ethnic grouping interest–like 1)Jews the ‘Chosen people’2)The person with the last say on the future of humanity is an arab and Arabic is the official language of Jannah 3)Brahmins at the top and Dalits at the bottom of (racial or else)segregation ptramid.
    ………….
    In the future, as A.I and cyborgization taking over, religion/genders/race could be just plug and play. A ‘person’ could have one ‘avatar’ as a pet dog on earth while another avatar as a gay prostitute in a Martian colony. The dying, saints or sinners alike,will have their consciousness/memory uploaded to a cyber paradise software in a super computer network where they will live happily forever. Jesus, Buddha… will be residential guests of honor. Nice, isn’t it? Alhamdulillah !!

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  84. @Lin

    In the future, as A.I and cyborgization taking over, religion/genders/race could be just plug and play.

    That reminded me of a Doctor Who episode that has stuck with me. The Doctor is at the space equivalent of the Vatican talking to the Pope-equivalent about some impending disaster. Having been convinced of the impending disaster the Pope-equivalent orders that her flock be given an “unscheduled belief change”.

  85. @nokangaroos

    How do you know that was Cromwell’s motive? Perhaps he was more modern than we think, and wanted to end all religious discrimination, gave us the Enlightenment.

    Or do you have his diary?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  86. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    That was the stated reason – the one to be given to the sheeple.

    – As usual the real one was as simple as it was unsellable: No joos no credit, no credit no war (“si no falta el dinero”, as Philipp of Spain put it when Europe was his to take).
    Matthias Corvinus (currently spinning in his grave at his scion´s excursions 😛 ) bestowed upon Vienna the PRIVILEGE (i.e. it was universally recognized as such) of “Judenfreiheit auf ewig”… and kept his word a little over a year. Look up the Book of Esther, the archetypal Hofjuden training manual.

    Had Maximilian I. made Jakob Fugger (who wouldn´t have objected) a prince (as he did loads of less deserving others), ours might be a different timeline;
    but “what if” is not a category of history 😉

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  87. GuestAug says:
    @polistra

    There are some important differences between Chinese capitalism (they call it “socialism with Chinese characteristics”) and ours. For example, in spite of all their immense wealth, Chinese oligarchs still cannot buy a single square inch of the Chinese land, which, as a key means of production, is still owned by the state, on behalf of ALL Chinese people.

  88. Chinaman says:
    @Rurik

    Didn’t really expect this coming from someone who claim the bill of rights was the pinnacle of evolution.

    Glad that you finally woke to the fact that it is all a big lie.

    The real communists are the in the USA. Comrade Powell is the reincarnation of Mao who is literally giving money away to everyone with universal basic income and unlimited loans to keep the zombie companies alive.

    How ironic when it is the communists that are bailing out the capitalist.

    You are right that we are in twilight zone. Ardent capitalists calling for a communist revolution and White supremacists genuflecting to totalitarian China than to blacks.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  89. Lin says:

    Why keep using such rhetorics?

    Can We Coexist with Asia’s Communists?

    Let me rephrase it

    Can USA Coexist with another big power, like Former USSR, present Russia, Japan hi-tech superpower in 1980s/90s(which is under US military occupation)before trade concession from Japan, 19th century Spanish empire in latin america?

    Seems the yanks can co-exist with the Viet Asian communist
    https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/what-does-a-second-aircraft-carrier-visit-mean-for-us-vietnam-relations/
    ………..
    I read that actually before WW1, the Americans were more likely to fight the British empire than Germany.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  90. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Lin

    I read that actually before WW1, the Americans were more likely to fight the British empire than Germany.

    In the 1920s Britain was preparing for a possible naval war with the United States. A clash between a declining imperial power and a rising imperial power is always likely.

    As things turned out the United States did manage to destroy the British Empire, without the need for war. Britain was peacefully incorporated into the American Empire.

    • Replies: @GuestAug
  91. GuestAug says:
    @dfordoom

    Are you sure it was not the case of the British Empire just co-0pting the much bigger and resource-rich United States as its “fist”? It seems like the British oligarchs (City of London) have profited handsomely from the Pax Americana of the past 70 years.

    I think those who refer to the past 350 years as Anglo/American Empire got it right.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  92. dfordoom says: • Website
    @GuestAug

    Are you sure it was not the case of the British Empire just co-0pting the much bigger and resource-rich United States as its “fist”?

    Yep, I am sure. Take a look at a map. The British Empire is now a few worthless rocks, like the Falklands. The American Empire is a large chunk of the globe. Britain is just America’s faithful lapdog. They wag their tail and hope for a few doggie treats.

    It seems like the British oligarchs (City of London) have profited handsomely from the Pax Americana of the past 70 years.

    When a country is conquered there will aways be a section of the elites who will find a way to profit.

  93. ANZ says:

    Can We Coexist with Asia’s Communists?

    If financial capitalist bankers get to capture China, then absolutely yes. China is great.

    If financial capitalist bankers get locked out of China, then absolutely not. China is Hitler.

    The analysis really is that simple. Ideology beyond this is moot.

  94. vox4non says:
    @onebornfree

    The main difference between socialism and communism is that under communism, most property and economic resources are owned and controlled by the state (rather than individual citizens). Under socialism, all citizens share equally in economic resources as allocated by a democratically-elected government. That difference is significant, wouldn’t you think?

    Moreover, communism is in the realm of governance (its opposite would be republic / democracy) whereas socialism is more in the realm of distribution / production (its opposite being capitalism). That is why you can have Democratic Socialist states in Europe, and even then they exist in varying degrees.

    If you draw from social security, drive on the road, draw water and gas from public utility infrastructure, drain waste through public sewers, use public services such as hospitals, have your districts secured and protected by the police and fire services, your nation protected by the army, you are drawing from social goods which are the products of socialism.

    So unless you can make do without all the social goods, you are basically abusing yourself.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  95. Why does Pat use the PC Běijīng, instead of the English?

    I doubt he can pronounce it. I sure as hell can’t. Nor can anyone else here, other than perhaps Derb, and Godfree R., because it’s his hometown.

    Our Calvinist friend in HK probably can say it in Cantonese. But that isn’t too far from the English:

    http://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/48/

    https://www.linguism.co.uk/language/beijing-vs-peking

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Beijing#Peking

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  96. @nokangaroos

    Is there actual evidence that Cromwell’s motive for allowing the Jews into England was to borrow money from Jews, records of which borrowings must have existed?

    Or are you saying there were Jews who bribed Cromwell to allow the Jews into the country, and Cromwell was successfully bribed, the most unscrupulous, corrupt English leader in 400 years, when it had been King Charles’ desperation for money that cost him his life?

    Please try to give your assertion a modicum of credibility.

  97. @Reg Cæsar

    Beijing means Northern Capital vs Nanjing Southern Capital and Beijing and the Northeast speak Putonghua(Mandarin) or the common tongue. Peking means nothing and the Northern Mandarin speaking people always ruled China.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @DB Cooper
  98. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Peking means nothing…

    It’s meant something in English for hundreds of years. Beijing means nothing without the tones. Or worse, it means something obscene.

    https://ninchanese.com/blog/2012/11/07/chinese-tones-get-them-right-or-else/

    I’ve never heard anyone in the Anglophonosphere use any tones at all. At least I admit my ignorance, and use the English name.

    In English. When speaking and writing other languages, I’ll use their terms: Pékin, Pequim, Пекин, Bukkyeong, Πεκίνο, ペキン…

  99. DB Cooper says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Peking also means Northern Capital because it is the exact same two words in written Chinese. The word ‘Bei’ is the exact same word as ‘Pe’ and the word ‘Jing’ is the exact same word as ‘King’. Its just different transliteration.

    Peking was called Peping before. In this case the last word is different. Peping means northern peace whereas Peking means northern capital.

  100. botazefa says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Can you provide documentation for your claim that the Han oppress and invade the ancestral villages of minorities in China?

    How about producing some actual minorities we can vet and talk to?

    Or, maybe we can just rustle up some non-Han Chinese university students in the US. What’s that, you say? You can’t find any non-Han university students in the US? Maybe in the UK. No? None, you say.

    Wait a minute, I think there may be a pattern here…

    • Replies: @d dan
  101. Pat is just another msm repetition bot now.

    I guess when older, backbones get bent.

  102. d dan says:
    @botazefa

    “How about producing some actual minorities we can vet and talk to?”

    Really? You think US (or the west) still has the authority, credibility and legitimacy to vet and cross-examine witnesses? Should China vet and talk to Americans in China about Fort Detrick’s leak of Covid-19?

    “Or, maybe we can just rustle up some non-Han Chinese university students in the US. What’s that, you say? You can’t find any non-Han university students in the US? Maybe in the UK. No? None, you say.

    Wait a minute, I think there may be a pattern here…”

    You think every student is interested in your silly political game to want to talk to you? And what do you mean by “you can’t find non-Han university students in the US?” I personally know some PRC students in US who are not Han.

    “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” – Mark Twain

  103. dfordoom says: • Website
    @vox4non

    So unless you can make do without all the social goods, you are basically abusing yourself.

    I like the idea of economic libertarianism as self-abuse. Seems apt.

  104. Alfa158 says:

    I wonder how Yang even kept a straight face talking to Pompeo. It must have taken a lot of diplomatic restraint to keep himself from just telling Mike;
    “Look, let’s stop kidding each other, why are we pretending that the US is supposed to even care about this or that the US even matters in the longer run?
    Your country is circling the bowl; you are broke, your cities are falling into Batman movie level chaos, the people who built your country into what it was are on their knees licking the boots of African criminals, your entire system is run by a tiny alien minority who despise every one else, your kids are increasingly stupid and brainwashed with gibbering nonsense and you are replacing your own people with low IQ third worlders from every shit-hole country in the world. You are about to trade a buffoon President for a corrupt senile one. We are only pretending that you are a country that can still be taken seriously because we are waiting for your nuclear arsenal to age out so you can’t take the rest of us with you when you finally destroy yourselves. We have enough work to do humoring Russia that it is anything more than a gas station/economic vassal, at least they are still serious, we aren’t humoring people like you aren’t and who have no future.”

  105. Rurik says:
    @Chinaman

    someone who claim the bill of rights was the pinnacle of evolution.

    Glad that you finally woke to the fact that it is all a big lie.

    It wasn’t a big lie. The Bill of Rights were the pinnacle of human evolution.

    The problem is not all humans are worthy of it.

    How ironic when it is the communists that are bailing out the capitalist.

    by investing their hard earned money in Federal Reserve Notes, (paper) that will become worthless as they’re paid by in Weimar/Zimbabwe toilet paper.

    Who’s the chump here?

    White supremacists genuflecting to totalitarian China than to blacks.

    not genuflecting Chinaman, but reflecting. China, for all its dunderheaded lemmingry, is still a better bet than the fiend. But the West would do well to emulate Russia, and treat China like a partner, (but with one eye open ; )

    • Replies: @Awash
  106. Awash says:
    @Rurik

    America cannot emulate Russia. America is addicted to democracy, Russia addicted to dictatorship. America has many leaders to choose from, Russia doesn’t know what to do if Putin dies. They want him to rule for life. America was established on the ruins of natives and sweat of blacks, Russia expanded by conquering neighbouring Muslim and Asian lands. The only famous person of black ancestry in Russia is Pushkin. America is a non stop land of migration and knows how to handle diversity, Russians are ethnic oriented. America’s system is flexible and agile, Russia goes through radical revolutions every few decades to become like the west or dream to surpass west. Etc…

    The only way for an American admiring Russia to be at home is to move to Russia. Not sure if they allow naturalization.

  107. I think that the pressing question at hand is can we co-exist with the current governments that are in place in America, who have obviously declared war on American citizens and the constitution. They now only are willing to represent the corporations and statues. I am completely against the destruction of statues, however, I am even more against the destruction of the World Trade Towers, Pentagon, the Covid hoax, the lock down, and all of the medical and scientific fraud and Nazi Eugenics forced vaxxing and testing, and isolation policies that are being implemented on blatant fraud in yet another Wall Street scheme to support the tech companies, exactly like 9/11.

    The government has decided that it cannot co-exist with Americans, obviously! They really want all of us dead. There is no way to deny it. Depriving people of their livlihoods is passive murder. They are also trying to incite a civil war and race riots and race wars.

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