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To fight the coronavirus at home, France is removing all military forces from Iraq.

When NATO scaled back its war games in Europe because of the pandemic, Russia reciprocated. Moscow announced it would cancel its war games along NATO’s border.

Nations seem to be recognizing and responding to the grim new geostrategic reality of March 2020: The pandemic is the real enemy of us all, and while we fight it, each in his own national corner, we are in this together.

Never allow a serious crisis to go to waste, said Barack Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel during the financial crisis.

Emanuel was echoed this month by House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn, who called the coronavirus crisis “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

What Clyburn had in mind is what Democrats advanced as their alternative to the $2.2 trillion emergency bill. It was designed to force President Trump either to swallow it whole or to take responsibility for vetoing a critical transfusion of federal funds to keep the economy alive.

Among the items stuffed in the Democrats’ proposal:

A $15-an-hour minimum wage imposed on companies receiving funds. Blanket loan forgiveness of $10,000 for students. New tax credits for solar and wind energy. Full funding of Planned Parenthood. Federal dollars for fetal tissue research.

$300 million for PBS, which has been promoting the LBGT agenda to school kids. Mandating “diversity” on corporate boards as a condition of companies receiving funds. Election “reforms” to increase Democratic turnout. Insistence that airlines, to get a bailout, offset carbon emissions from jet engines. $35 million for the Kennedy Center.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and congressional Republicans ash-canned almost the leftist wish list.

But Trump should go further, turn the tables, and seize this crisis to do what he was elected to do — impose a new foreign policy.

Isolate America, not from the world, but from the world’s wars.

The New York Times and Washington Post editorialized Thursday for an easing of the economic sanctions we have imposed on Iran.

This would be a humanitarian gesture when Iran is suffering more than any country in the Middle East from the virus. More than that, it would be a statement that America is not at war with the Iranian people.

This unilateral gesture by Trump, asking nothing in return except negotiations, would put the onus for Iran’s isolation squarely with the ayatollah and his regime.

As for Vladimir Putin’s cancellation of war games in response to NATO’s cancellation, Trump could seize upon this as an opening to engage Russia as candidate Trump promised to do.

Does anyone believe Putin wants a war with NATO?

Should he do so, does anyone think Italy and Spain, two of the largest NATO allies, but both suffering greatly in the coronavirus crisis, would invoke Article V and declare war on Russia?

ORDER IT NOW

When Hitler was our foe, America created a wartime alliance with Stalin in the common cause of crushing the Axis powers. Liberals and leftists yet defend the Popular Front between the democracies and Stalin. If we could unite with Bolsheviks to defeat Nazis, surely we can join with Iran’s rulers to cope with and crush the coronavirus.

When, if ever, will there be a better time to make good on Trump’s campaign pledge to extricate America from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Consider also the Korean Peninsula.

Kim Jong Un has been testing rockets again over the Sea of Japan.

Transfixed by the coronavirus crisis, however, the world is paying him no attention. We should make a final offer to Kim Jong Un to pull our U.S. forces from South Korea and lift sanctions for verifiable reductions and restraints on his nuclear arsenal.

We are ready for a deal. But If Pyongyang refuses to talk, we should tell him we are going home and are allowing South Korea and Japan to develop their own nuclear weapons. And let Kim deal with them.

The coronavirus pandemic is the greatest crisis since the Cuban missile confrontation of 1962. After that crisis, John F. Kennedy sought to use the world’s brush with Armageddon to establish a detente with the Soviet Union of the Communist dictator who had put the missiles in Cuba.

Following our Cold War victory, we have not done that. Instead, we plunged into wars that were none of our business to deal with imagined threats and advance utopian causes like establishing Jeffersonian democracy in lands where tribalism and dogmatism are rooted in the very soil.

The coronavirus is the enemy Saddam Hussein never was. And the ayatollahs never had tens of millions of Americans “sheltering in place.”

What the coronavirus crisis tells us is not that we should turn our backs on the world but that, in engaging with the world, we should put our own interests first, as every nation in the world is doing now.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Rational says:

    THE DEMOGANGSTERS HAVE NO SHAME; NO WARS AND NO IMMIGRATION.

    Thanks, Sir. You are right, as usual. It is time to stop this 3rd most populous nation on earth stopped this insanity called “invade the world, invide the world.”

    https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats8.htm

    See: http://immigration-is-cancer.blogspot.com/

    The US is now the #1 hotspot of cornovirus. All because it lets in too many aliens. Even China has banned all foreigners from entering; USA must do the same.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/world/asia/china-virus-travel-ban.html

    And India, one our biggest sources of generic drugs, has banned export of hydroxychloroquine.

    http:/https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/03/25/india-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-covid19

    No more wars and no more immigration is the lesson we must learn from this crisis.

    But the demogangsters have no shame, trying to tack on all sort of scams into the bill. I am glad the Republicans stood firm.

  2. “When, if ever, will there be a better time to make good on Trump’s campaign pledge to extricate America from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?”

    The best time was Trump’s first days in office in early 2017. It’s now 2020.

    Pat, you may be the only presidential candidate in the last 30 years to have made promises that you intended to keep. I belive you would have tried your best.

  3. One thing I can confidently predict about the present situation is that there will be a baby boom in a few months.
    Curfew or no curfew, things get done, and especially because of a curfew.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Charles
  4. Paul says:

    “. . . we should put our own interests first, as every nation in the world is doing now.”
    — Pat Buchanan

    The U.S. ruling class, though, sees U.S. imperialism as being in its interest.

    • Agree: NPleeze, animalogic
    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  5. NPleeze says:

    This unilateral gesture by Trump, asking nothing in return except negotiations, would put the onus for Iran’s isolation squarely with the ayatollah and his regime.

    Wow, yes, Iran should be eternally grateful and jubilant that the US would put its vicious, murderous and illegal medieval siege on hold for a brief period. In fact, they should be so grateful that they surrender to the Evil Empire and dance to its bark.

    Pat is sometimes such a vicious, mean old fuck, not like the kid who ties cans to a cat’s tail but the kid that kicks and brutalizes a dog and expects to the dog to be grateful when he relents in his attack while the dog is bleeding and convulsing on the ground.

    The coronavirus pandemic is the greatest crisis since the Cuban missile confrontation of 1962.

    Well both were manufactured crisis, they have that in common, and so was 9/11, so let’s add that one.

    The difference is, 9/11 and COVID-19 are both being used as weapons by the rulers against the people – to impoverish them and subject them to totalitarianism. And the idiot sheeple are bleating for more: “Please, please, destroy us to save us from your phantom ghoul!”.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, gsjackson
  6. @Paul

    The U.S. ruling class is the real enemy of the American people.

  7. When, if ever, will there be a better time to make good on Trump’s campaign pledge to extricate America from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Anyone who still believes he was being serious is deluded.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @A123
  8. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Oikeamielinen

    One thing I can confidently predict about the present situation is that there will be a baby boom in a few months.
    Curfew or no curfew, things get done, and especially because of a curfew.

    One thing I can confidently predict is that you’re wrong on this. Birth rates will plummet. You seriously think people are going to decide to start a family at the exact moment when they think it’s the end of the world? Birth rates will reach new lows.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Oikeamielinen
  9. A lot of the D’s amendments are crap but some are worth exploring:
    “A $15-an-hour minimum wage imposed on companies receiving funds. Blanket loan forgiveness of $10,000 for students. New tax credits for solar and wind energy. ” Nothing wrong per se with such wishes.
    Also agree with Pat re foreign policy. CV19 is the perfect excuse to alter US foreign Policy goals — ie total or near total withdrawl from Iraq & Afganistan. Be the “bigger” man & give Iran & Venesualia a break for 6 months (at a minimum). Recognise Chinese efficiency & dedication dealing with the virus etc.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  10. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    “Be the “bigger” man & give Iran & Venesualia a break for 6 months (at a minimum). Recognise Chinese efficiency & dedication dealing with the virus etc.”

    Why was Uncle Sam attacking those people to begin with?

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, Realist
  11. BuelahMan says:

    Pat didn’t say it but I will: We fought for the wrong side in WWII.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jefferson Temple
    , @Tony
  12. Realist says:

    What Clyburn had in mind is what Democrats advanced as their alternative to the $2.2 trillion emergency bill. It was designed to force President Trump either to swallow it whole or to take responsibility for vetoing a critical transfusion of federal funds to keep the economy alive.

    Both parties do this. The sad part is the dumbass Americans fall for it every time.

  13. Realist says:
    @TimeTraveller

    When, if ever, will there be a better time to make good on Trump’s campaign pledge to extricate America from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Anyone who still believes he was being serious is deluded.

    Trump is a Deep State minion. I voted for him but by mid April 2017 I realized the horrible mistake I made. 😒

    • Replies: @aleksander
  14. plantman says:

    What a great article.
    Thanks, Pat!

    “If we could unite with Bolsheviks to defeat Nazis, surely we can join with Iran’s rulers to cope with and crush the coronavirus.”

    Yes, why are we starving these people and preventing medicine from entering the country during the middle of a pandemic???
    Pompeo does not represent me or the American people.
    This is unspeakable cruelty.

    We’re better than this!

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Oikeamielinen
  15. @dfordoom

    I agree with your assessment. One positive is that the hook-up culture may be coming to a screeching halt. Maybe, with these new social distancing rules, there will even be a return to monogamous marriage (hope springs eternal) and a reduction in divorce. Two married people together for life is more powerful than 10 single millenials.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @John Johnson
  16. @plantman

    One thing I’ve read is that Trump has so immersed himself into fighting this virus that he has farmed out foreign policy to Ziocon Pompeo. If so, big mistake. Lyin’ war hawk Pompeo knows nothing of diplomacy and is unqualified to be SOS. At the very least he should have been fired when Bolton got the axe.

    Trump is more in his element on domestic matters. But very few inside the Beltway backed him when he vowed to pursue peace with Russia (which I still think he wants to do). They beat him down with three years of Russia-gate, followed by a sham impeachment which failed, now followed by a serious pandemic, which his many enemies in the fake news media are blowing out of all proportion, as they blame every death on him, all in the hope that he loses the coming election.

    Those who think Trump is a “Deep State minion” are living in an alternate reality.

    • Replies: @A123
  17. dfordoom says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    One positive is that the hook-up culture may be coming to a screeching halt.

    That would certainly be a good thing.

    Since governments are shutting down everything else they really really should shut down things like Tinder and Grindr.

  18. The title is a loaded question. It’s obvious that there is no pandemic, just certain areas with epidemics of rather limited numbers. Also obvious is the fact that someone is intent on ushering in a new era of totalitarian control.

    That side, this invented crisis is, as Pat states, an opportunity to return US troops home and stop the policy of doing the bidding of Israel in the ME. I know he didn’t put it in those words, but that is my take on the subject of opportunity.

    What is likely is that those behind the wheel of foreign policy won’t see any such opportunity, only the opportunity to advance the agendas they have been pushing all along.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  19. “When Hitler was our foe, America created a wartime alliance with Stalin in the common cause of crushing the Axis powers.”
    And alliances are based on shared interests not on shared principals. While we are understandably transfixed by the coronavirus pandemic we must not lose sight of another – worse – danger: world war. History warns that unless the powers can accommodate each other’s core interests nuclear Armageddon is inevitable.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  20. A123 says:
    @follyofwar

    One thing I’ve read is that Trump has so immersed himself into fighting this virus that he has farmed out foreign policy to Ziocon Pompeo.

    It seems doubtful that Trump has farmed out all foreign policy to Pompeo. That is a very sweeping generalization.

    Part of Trump’s 4-D chess methodology to bludgeon the Fake Stream Media is “Bad Cop, Good Cop“. Having a contrary voice at the table:

    — Shows that Trump is listening to all sides.
    — Forces the FSM to present a favorable story when he as “Good Cop” disagrees with the designated “Bad Cop”.

    Also, Trump has to keep the Senate confirmation process moving. The price for that — Giving critical Senators influence on certain positions.

    Did you notice how long Mulvaney remained Acting, instead of official, Church of Staff? Momentary Mick Mulvaney was clearly a temporary pick for the role. Odds are, there is a Senate related back story that we will not know any time soon.

    PEACE 😷

  21. A123 says:
    @TimeTraveller

    When, if ever, will there be a better time to make good on Trump’s campaign pledge to extricate America from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Anyone who still believes he was being serious is deluded.

    Everyone objective realizes that Barack Hussein holdovers are undermining the Constitution. Only those who are delusional believe there was a path to total, absolute, and immediate victory over 100% of these Deep State minions.

    I too would also like “more faster” out of the White House. Unfortunately, it is not possible to insta-cure decades of Globalist mismanagement and eight years of criminal behaviour by Barack Hussein and Hillary.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @bluedog
  22. TGD says:

    I understand that the emergency spending bill contains 880+ pages of inscrutable legalize. Many of the most egregious give away provisions have been excluded but new spending amounts to $2 trillion.

    Has any congress critter questioned where the funds will come from? The money will be provided by commercial banks and the Federal Reserve both of whom have the capacity to create money out of thin air.

    How long will other nations allow us to flood the world with fiat money?

  23. @follyofwar

    One positive is that the hook-up culture may be coming to a screeching halt. Maybe, with these new social distancing rules, there will even be a return to monogamous marriage

    Not gonna happen.

    What people don’t get about Whites in their 20s avoiding marriage is that most of them are poor. It’s not like most women in that age group are thrilled with bar sex. Far more just stay home and watch Netflix.

    A lot of them also have student debt from being talked into getting some lesbian studies degree. It doesn’t help that their heads have been filled with all kinds of gobbly gook about race and gender not existing.

    Young Whites are simply too responsible for a baby boom because of economics. This is Western dysgenics at work.

    This will only change when conservatives realize that capitalism is not everything. Liberals are incapable of changing and want to turn the US into Brazil anyways.

    • Replies: @Escher
  24. @TGD

    That is an excellent question, TGD. The criminal Federal Reserve creates digital money out of thin air by just adding a few zeroes to the main computer. Being the world’s reserve currency, it is the only country able to do it. Once the US loses that special status, and it will happen sooner rather than later, our goose will be cooked. The US is the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  25. A123 says:
    @TGD

    How long will other nations allow us to flood the world with fiat money?

    There are long term issues with USD. However, wanting out and being able to exit are two different things. As long as there is no credible replacement, USD will remain.

    EUR — Much worse than USD.
    RMB — Much much worse than USD.
    Gold — Physical commodities incur all sorts of expenses and risks.

    Anyone who says that USD is losing is obligated to explain what winner will replace it.
    _____

    I keep hoping that the USD will lose reserve status.

    The “reserve premium” distorts trade by creating a huge FX penalty against U.S. exporters. Ending this FX penalty would substantially boost U.S. competitiveness, exports, and GDP.

    I do not care what happens to the Elite 1% Globalists and their banks.

    PEACE 😷

  26. Escher says:
    @John Johnson

    It doesn’t help that their heads have been filled with all kinds of gobbly gook about race and gender not existing.

    Yup, once in bed they may not know who does what to whom.

  27. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @BuelahMan

    Your right! Allied with Japan, we could have knocked Hawaii right out of the war.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  28. @TGD

    As long as that fiat money can be used to purchase real property? That long? It may be fake money, but the items purchased with it are real.

  29. @BuelahMan

    You’re half right. The correct decision would have been to keep our army at home. To steal a bit from Napoleon, when two totalitarian states are busy destroying each other, don’t interrupt them.

    • Disagree: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  30. Will says:

    What America is Buchanan living in?

    Jews Hijack Conservative Movement -> PNAC -> 9/11 -> Oded Yinon Plan / Endless Wars in ME for Israel (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon, Libya) -> Israel getting $38 Billion over 10 years -> Endless attempts at Regime change which will never end -> Endless belligerence toward China/Russia -> Never-ending support for the land theft, genocide operation in Palestine (aka Israel) -> Fed QE Infinity -> Globohomo & Immorality out of control -> Cultural Marxism flooding education and media -> Fake shootings to take down the 2nd Amendment -> The Constitution hanging by its last thread -> The current nonexistent virus pandemic bailout such an embarrassment that congressman are trying to avoid have their votes recorded -> Letting some idiot (think puppet) from the CDC run the county based on a statistical model that kids at a nursery school could top -> Millions of Americans waiting on the next word from the Kardashians.

    This whole thing is going up in flames. States are beginning to nullify federal laws as the founders intended and state secession isn’t much further down the road. Tough to tell how dark its going to get, but the idea there is a turnaround, some post Cuban Missile Crisis return to halcyon days ahead is beyond retarded. Trump is owned by Adelson, Bernard Marcus, and Paul Singer. All 3 rich Zionist Jews.

    Israel keeps up its agitation it’ll be blown off the map. America is crumbling and how the pieces are put back together will vary state by state. You can’t stop a car that has no brakes, Pat.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  31. Kind of an amusing irony, wouldn’t you say, that the stay at home orders in effect in most of the states have demolished one of the most popular theories of the voodoo school of economics. These are essentially state-imposed general strikes, necessary to prevent the spread of the virus. In so doing they have reaffirmed that it is workers who produce value in our society and not the entrepreneurs and the moneymen. The bright ideas boys are still busy at their computers whipping out idea after idea, and Wall Street speculators are pulling down record paper profits from the downturn, but just look out the damn window: a world without workers is a world that grinds to a halt. That these elites are entitled to the lion’s share of the wealth they imagine their ideas and wealth solely created is a sham that can no longer be concealed.

    For the past forty years, there has been an ongoing campaign to delegitimize the very idea of state institutions, notably those that improve the well being of the population. The typical attitude has been to attack the government as an enemy of progress; to shrink government institutions – except the military – has been the goal. Any country with a robust government and state structure has been characterized as “authoritarian.” But countries with intact state institutions that have been able to handle the pandemic – such as China – cannot be easily dismissed as authoritarian; a general understanding has come that these governments and their state institutions are instead efficient – far more so than any for-private-profit system.

    This experience is going to open a lot of eyes to what socialism is all about. Now that their lives are literally on the line, the American people are waking up. The grim consequences of privatizing and plundering the healthcare system are in plain sight now. That scam is now on life support. Will we silently consent to its revival after the emergency has passed?

    • Agree: Wielgus
  32. Chinaman says:

    We are ready for a deal. But If Pyongyang refuses to talk, we should tell him we are going home and are allowing South Korea and Japan to develop their own nuclear weapons. And let Kim deal with them.

    That’s would be a brilliant move.

    Let them kill each other and pick up the pieces later. As usual, Careful of blowback though. Japan is not the most stable of nations to have nuclear weapons and i guess they would want American to get a taste of its own medicine when the opportunity arise.

  33. @dfordoom

    Maybe, maybe not. You may assume rational planning, I assume proximity and free time.
    We’ll see how it works out in the fulness of time.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  34. @follyofwar

    Perhaps the Weimar Republic should give us a clue as to what awaits us.

    • Agree: Rurik
  35. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Oikeamielinen

    Maybe, maybe not. You may assume rational planning, I assume proximity and free time.
    We’ll see how it works out in the fulness of time.

    We could be looking at boom times for the abortion industry.

  36. dave t says:

    Some good suggestions Pat, de-escalation always preferred to world war. Missiles in Cuba were removed by the Soviet Union IN EXCHANGE for the removal of US missiles from Turkey! The second part of that last sentence is never mentioned by empire apologists.

  37. gsjackson says:

    Meanwhile in an alternate universe the Q movement is claiming the death of the Fed yesterday, effectively merged with the Treasury Dept and under control of the executive branch — a knife through the Rothschild heart.

    https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    So if this is true, goodbye to a NWO now missing its wallet, hello …… something where Trump is supposed to be the Great Benefactor. The coronavirus scam is just the pretext, not the cause.

    Someone with strong economic chops: Was the Fed’s status substantially changed yesterday?

  38. @Jefferson Temple

    You deserve your children being chemically castrated in Tranny hour Sir.

  39. @plantman

    Yes, why are we starving these people . . .

    “ The us and the we” are always doing things that are not in the public good. Why are “the us and the we” acting that way? Who are the “us and the we?”

  40. bluedog says:
    @A123

    And by all means let us not forget the 8 years of Bush that opened up the door to the dogs of war,as Rumsfeld said terrorism is good (for the business and banking sector) for a hundred years<!!

    • Replies: @A123
  41. A123 says:
    @bluedog

    let us not forget the 8 years of Bush

    No one is forgetting about G.W. Go back and look at what I wrote in #21:

    is not possible to insta-cure decades of Globalist mismanagement

    My use of the term “decades” indicates there have been other Globalists in the White House, including Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush. If Bill Clinton had killed NAFTA, imagine how much better off U.S. Citizens would be.

    Trump wants to get rid of the anti-American Globalists contaminating the GOP. Alas, this is another task that will take years.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  42. anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    If China pledges to limit its naval expansion then US should leave Japan and Guam.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  43. @A123

    There have been people who demonstrated you can instacure in less than a decade.
    Who was it?

  44. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anonymous

    If China pledges to limit its naval expansion then US should leave Japan and Guam.

    The US can also get its military the hell out of Australia while they’re at it.

  45. @Realist

    Oh yes, and Hillary would have been so much better. Shame you didn’t vote for her. Fool.

    • Replies: @Realist
  46. Charles says:
    @Oikeamielinen

    I had that same thought quite recently. People who claim couples will “decide” to not have children at this time have evidently never been around…people.

  47. Realist says:
    @aleksander

    Oh yes, and Hillary would have been so much better. Shame you didn’t vote for her. Fool.

    Only a fool votes for the lesser of two evils. Voting changes nothing…the two parties are two sides of the same coin.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  48. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    Voting changes nothing…the two parties are two sides of the same coin.

    you’re wrong of course.

    Just the Supreme Court, is proof of that.

    • Replies: @Realist
  49. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    Gee we seem to disagree.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  50. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    Recently the Supreme Court heard a case about illegals getting prosecuted by the state (Kansas) they were stealing people’s identities in.

    The liberals on the court demanded that if it’s an illegal who’s stealing people identity, that they are immune from state prosecution, because federal law trumps state law, and therefor, since the feds have no interest in prosecuting such crimes, their authority to not-prosecute, overrides the states right to prosecute. Ultimately making illegals immune from being arrested or prosecuted for identity theft.

    Obviously because those members of the Supreme Court who voted against the ruling, want as many illegals to come here as possible, and since prosecuting them at the state level would discourage them from coming, they’d prefer to subvert the rule of law in this nation, in service to their treasonous, anti-American and anti-Constitutional agenda.

    And if Hillary would have appointed today’s justices, well, that’s my point.

  51. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    Wishful thinking by Pat. Humankind continued to joyfully kill each other in the middle of crises much worse than this one and in the face of much higher stakes. Men just like to fight.

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