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If America were a company and not a country, we would have long ago dissolved the corporation, split the blanket, and gone our separate ways.

What still holds this disputatious and divided people together?

Consider. In announcing the $900 billion stimulus bill to deal with the pandemic, Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not mention that the gifts for her distressed countrymen and women at Christmas would have been twice as large had she taken

President Trump’s offer of $1.8 trillion in October.

Why did the speaker slap that offer away?

“The President only wants his name on a check to go out before Election Day and for the market to go up,” she told House Democrats.

Rather than let Donald Trump take credit, Pelosi stiffed millions of Americans.

Sunday, however, the speaker took time for a statement to hail the removal of Robert E. Lee’s statue from Statuary Hall. “Welcome news,” said the speaker. “Congress will continue our work to rid the Capitol of homages to hate.”

Lee had stood in a place of honor in the Capitol for decades. When exactly did the statue of the general become a homage to hate?

Both episodes point up an unpleasant truth.

Our dysfunctional American family agrees upon less and less.

By mid-November, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll, 52% of Republicans thought Donald Trump had “rightfully won.” Sixty-eight percent of Republicans thought the election was “rigged.” A third of independents, and even 10% of Democrats, agreed.

This month, a Fox poll found that a third of all registered voters believe the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, with 78% of those who voted for Trump expressing that view.

In the long term, not only is the election of 2020 going to be suspect. Also, belief in one of the sacraments of secular democracy, universal suffrage, is going to suffer.

Moreover, the issues that divide us now go increasingly to the faith of what defines us as a nation and a people.

A slice of our intellectual elite emphatically agrees with the New York Times’ Project 1619, which decrees that the real birth date of this nation was neither 1776 nor 1789, but the year that the first slave ship arrived in Virginia.

To this influential cohort, enslavement of Black people brought from Africa and dispossession and destruction of the indigenous tribes that European settlers found here are the defining events of our history.

And all who participated in these crimes against humanity or refused to condemn them are undeserving of exaltation.

Not only Lee, but Columbus and Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, TR and Wilson are all racist white men whose disgraceful and even criminal conduct disqualifies them from a place of honor in the American pantheon of 2020. All statues of such men need to come down to cleanse us of the stain of having honored them.

Pelosi says that such statues are “homages to hate.”

She may not have thought so five or 10 years ago, but she believes that now.

What has taken place is a mass conversion.

Yet, there is another America that still cherishes the nation these men created. And, as did their fathers, grandfathers and ancestors, these Americans have shown a willingness to fight and die in her defense.

Thus do we Americans disagree on the most fundamental of issues.

Was America, is America, with all its sins and virtues and all its achievements, a country to be cherished, loved and defended? Or is America a country of whose history we should all be ashamed?

Part of America also believes that discovery in the Constitution of a woman’s right to an abortion and a right of homosexuals to marry were major milestones of progress toward a more moral America.

Others see these as long strides away from the Christian country we used to be, a social and moral decline toward the same quiet death that has come to other civilizations and nations that went before us.

In short, we Americans disagree on whether our country is a good and great nation worth defending, or a place that needs a deep cultural cleansing of its sins.

And we have no common code of morality. One side is rooted in modernism and secularism and the other in the teachings of the Old and New Testament, Christian tradition and a natural law written on the human heart that is superior to man-made law.

People who disagree upon such basic beliefs naturally drift apart, as we Americans are doing today.

Political questions arise out of these fundamental differences, and they are not insignificant.

Can a republic as fractured and splintered as ours is — racially, ethnically, politically, culturally, morally — with a population who do not share the same belief about whether their nation is good and great or failed and evil, endure? And for how long?

What successful models from history do we see of nations that took the kind of risks we are taking with our republic?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Thus do we Americans disagree on the most fundamental of issues.

    Yet no mention of:

    – the bait-and-switch “drawdown” of Uncle Sam’s legionnaires and mercenaries in Afghanistan, etc.

    – the immigration policies that poll upon poll indicated were the most important to those gullible enough to vote in 2016 for Mr. Trump

    – the latest CARES [sic] Act fleecing of the sheople to prop up Wall Street

    – the Red+Blue scapegoating of China, Russia, and others for “our” Exceptional! difficulties

    Keep people squabbling over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms, and they won’t notice the big stuff until it’s time for the next Most Important Election Ever.

    This is part of Mr. Buchanan’s job as Stagehand Right in the Beltway puppet show.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Jake
    , @TimeTraveller
    , @Rurik
    , @David
  2. anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m glad you have come to understand that the high rate of Latino immigration has not been a leading factor in the demise of the United States (there is little mention of Latinos). What has caused the fracture to become so profound is the moral drift of the largely white upper middle class and blacks from the main body of white America. High rate of Latino immigration while lowering future economic growth may even be a net positive in keeping the country together as seen from their voting behavior this year.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  3. Nanci Pelosi is a witch. The Dems should not reelect her as Speaker of the House. She is a hatemonger. The elections were rigged, and a highly compromised crook, Joe Biden, takes over the White House. He lacks legitimacy. If this insanity continues, the Whites have to emigrate or work as slaves on farms run by the new black or diversity masters. There is still a way out. The Whites have to go through gender brainwashing and adopt the political-correct new-speak.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  4. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Democracy is grounded upon so childish a complex of fallacies that they must be protected by a rigid system of taboos, else even halfwits would argue it to pieces. Its first concern must be to penalize the free play of ideas.” H.L.Mencken

    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”H.L.Mencken

    “Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.”H.L.Mencken

    “Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.” H.L.Mencken

    “If experience teaches us anything at all, it teaches us this: that a good politician, under democracy, is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.” H.L.Mencken

    “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.” H.L.Mencken

    “Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule—and both commonly succeed, and are right” H.L.Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @Sin City Milla
  5. TTSSYF says:
    @onebornfree

    Yeah? So what was his alternative? What’s yours?

    It’s real easy to sit back and take pot-shots. Not so easy to come up with a solution.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @RoatanBill
  6. Jake says:
    @Greta Handel

    “Gullible enough to vote for Trump”? With Hillary and Biden as foes, you certainly do not have to be gullible to vote for Trump.

    But you do have to be a simpleton, or else 100% decadent, to think that public library transsexual story time for tots, tranny public restroom policy, and Confederate statues are unessential.

    The answer to the title question is: No, democracy cannot hold the United States together. Democracy is a failed god, one easily, naturally, abused by demagogues to create totalitarian hell.

    That is what the Left plans for America.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @botazefa
  7. KenH says:

    The time for national partition based on race and political orientation has come. I simply won’t listen to any charlatan on the right who claims that a return to race blindness and therefore national unity is possible. Tucker Carlson is guilty of this and desperately fighting a losing rearguard action to shame the radical, Jewish led, white hating left into race blindness, social conservatism and patriotism. He is preaching to the choir and will lose and is changing few if any minds on the left.

    The Democrat party has gone totally rogue and revolutionary. They say that America must be destroyed because it is racist, sexist and homophobic. But they want a nation that is anti-racist (anti-white), misandrist and heterophobic. The Jew led left and their BLM proxies are now arguing that Western norms maintain a system of “white privilege” and lead to white police officers kneeling on the necks of black men who dindunuffins.

    To make matters worse the donor class whore party, a.k.a. the GOP, has little stomach to fight them on fundamental issues and instead just positions themselves slightly to the right of left wing insanity which still ensures anti-white leftist policies. So whites who don’t hate themselves have no political representation at all.

  8. @Jake

    With Hillary and Biden as foes, you certainly do not have to be gullible to vote for Trump.

    Don’t you realize that the TDS complement

    With Trump as foe, you certainly do not have to be gullible to vote for Biden.

    was used to herd the Blue sheep through their gate to the same pen for fleecing? The Establishment doesn’t care which of the two you use, only that you bleat and trot along.

    And what of the four more “fundamental issues” I suggested? In minutes, you could look into the latest COVID-hyped “relief package” to see where most of the freshly printed money will once again be going, and begin to realize how few of these Washington politicians cares about or even thinks of you as a fellow countryman.

    But you won’t. It’s easier to swallow another mouthful of Mr. Buchanan’s desiccated Beltway baloney.

    • Agree: TimeTraveller
  9. Emslander says:

    If this election was stolen, or purchased, by the fraudulent counting of hundreds of thousands of phony ballots in swing states and 13 to 16 million across the country, then none of the rest is true.

    If the election should have gone to Donald Trump with an increase of 11 million votes over his 2016 totals, then the country is actually not much different than what it was in 1958. We’re still moral, Christian, favor traditional marriage, work hard for our livelihood, oppose illegal immigration, honor brave men who fought on both sides of the Civil War and oppose the socialism of borrowed money that the Congress has imposed on us.

    I’m very sure that Biden was credited with millions of votes that were not his. The math is clear on that point! Since I’m sure of that, then I don’t believe our nation has changed.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Per/Norway
  10. @Greta Handel

    Nice, you really cleaned his clock.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  11. Stick says:

    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no Disco, this ain’t no fooling around. Next votes will be in the form of IEDs and random hits on noted personalities. Its Dirty War Time.

    • Thanks: Cthulu Smith
  12. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    – the immigration policies that poll upon poll indicated were the most important to those gullible enough to vote in 2016 for Mr. Trump

    not only is immigration not the ‘most important’ issue, it’s not even important at all!

    WTF difference does it make whether or not the inhabitants of this continent are indigenous Amerindians, or of European descent or a polyglot of competing ethnicities and cultures and world views?

    What does Buchanan’s question..

    Can a republic as fractured and splintered as ours is — racially, ethnically, politically, culturally, morally — with a population who do not share the same belief about whether their nation is good and great or failed and evil, endure? And for how long?

    Have to do with massive and transformational immigration?!

    Nothing!

    Did the immigration of Europeans onto this continent have any significance or long term consequences for the Amerindians that were already here?

    Did it effect their culture? Their prospects or their lifestyle or simple human dignity in any significant way at all?!

    Exactly!

    The whole ‘immigration’ bullshit is just a ruse and a distraction from the really important issues like abortion or transgender rights.

    Immigration won’t make any more difference to America’s national cohesion than say Jewish immigration into Palestine has over the last few decades.

    Has Zionism and Jews making Aliyah effected the people’s lives over there or their national cohesion in any measurable way?

    Of course not!

    And immigration into the ZUS won’t effect anything, other than what some hate-filled, degenerate racists and white supremacists are pissing their lederhosen over. Ooh, oooh, it’s going to be like Zimbabwe or South Africa, and they’re going to fuck over whitey’, blah, blah…

    Of course they are! But that’s only a long-term consequence of being conquered and colonized, just like the Europeans did to the Amerindians, or the Jews are doing to the Arabs.

    But so what! What the hell difference does it make what the people look like, or what their world view is? What does it have to do Pat’s question?

    Can a republic as fractured and splintered as ours is — racially, ethnically, politically, culturally, morally — with a population who do not share the same belief about whether their nation is good and great or failed and evil, endure? And for how long?

    It has exactly nothing to do with it!

    It’s time for people to get off their high-horse, and stop trying to pretend that a ‘typical American’ is anything other than a typical Somali or a typical Guatemalan. And the America (and Europe) that we’re building now, with millions upon millions of more Third World peoples thronging into the West in massive and transformational numbers, is going to have any effect on anything whatsoever, except to make the world a much more equal place, where social distancing and social justice are finally, and at long last, here!

    You can tell a lot about a person by their respective opinion about immigration.

    If they consider the issue of negligible importance, if any at all, they you can be absolutely, 100% certain that they consider the issue of vital and critical, if not existential import.

    We’re on the tipping point, where the West is right on the verge of having its destiny determined by non-Westerners, who hate it’s (white, Christian, racist) guts and want it raped (payback’s a bitch) and dead.

    Today the ZUS is very nominally still tolerant of the white racists and their descendants who built this nation. But that tolerance is drying up faster than you can say Kamala Harris. As the statues and monuments are toppled over, and with them- the last remnants of the America of picket fences and racial tolerance.

    There is a New America that is now just on the horizon, and it looks like a dystopian orgy of death, misery and an Orwellian hell on earth straight out Winston Smith’s nightmares. Or, Talmudic wet dream, depending on your perspective.

    And Third World immigration has, (and had) *NOTHING* to do with it!

  13. botazefa says:
    @Jake

    The answer to the title question is: No, democracy cannot hold the United States together. Democracy is a failed god, one easily, naturally, abused by demagogues to create totalitarian hell.

    That is what the Left plans for America.

    No.

    That is what the RICH plan for America. The Left is just their Trojan Horse.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  14. botazefa says:
    @Emslander

    I’m very sure that Biden was credited with millions of votes that were not his. The math is clear on that point! Since I’m sure of that, then I don’t believe our nation has changed.

    We aren’t going to do anything about it, though. Doesn’t our apathy indicate some sort of fundamental change in our values? Or, are we just so poor and marginalized that we don’t have any options?

    Global capitalism hates middle America. Our ‘turn the other cheek’ instinct will be our downfall.

  15. JimDandy says:
    @TTSSYF

    Our multicultural democracy seems destined to severely cheapen the lives of white people. So, any alternative that wouldn’t result in that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  16. Realist says:

    Can Democracy Hold Us Together?

    What Democracy is that? We now live under a very non-meritocratic Plutocratic Oligarchy.

  17. I believe that the country cannot hold together, given the willful amnesia and rejection by the left wing of what we assumed were the American verities. I have been promoting the idea of secession of the central states, hopefully focused on the Texas Republic of antiquity that stood for freedom and the promise of America as it was understood at that time, i.e. based on the founding principles of God and the Constitution. Any sort of movement to overtake the leftist states on the coasts as well as the current “deep state” lawlessness on the federal level, is bound to result in great violence and misery. Better that the states that have retained a modicum of sanity in these awful and morally-challenged times, should go their separate way. I suspect that the military remaining at the disposal of the leftist states will quickly abandon their posts in foreign lands that we have “invaded” and will return to defend our American heartland, the home of their birth and consciences and true loyalties. Violence will not be the answer. Adherence to some localized ideal, as exemplified by the State of Texas, which originated the multi-state lawsuit a couple of weeks ago that attempted to overturn the fraudulent election, will be our salvation. Texas showed us the way this time, by way of a well-considered constitutional challenge to the lawlessness. It also showed us the way in 1836 at the Alamo. Always defensive, and always based upon principle.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  18. @TTSSYF

    The solution is obvious. Terminate the Fed Gov. Terminate the United States of America corporation. Allow the 50 states to become countries. Allow 50 experiments on how to govern and withing a year there will be clear winners and losers. People will vote with their feet as is now happening in California with their overbearing taxation and stifling regulations.

    The Fed Gov is the problem. Excise it. That gets rid of the funny money Federal Reserve and their banking mafia. It gets rid of the central control point that (((they))) use to control the country. It takes quite a bit more effort to bribe 50 entities than 1.

    It also kills the Democrat and Republican party system. They may try to maintain their stranglehold on the political process, but I doubt they would be successful because the people will reject their phony democracy bullshit once the deck is reshuffled by killing off the Fed Gov.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  19. @Ludwig Watzal

    If I may be cynical in the extreme for just a moment, I won’t read your post past the first sentence. There’s no need to. I appreciate your sentiment greatly in any case and am in full agreement with your assessment of the woman for too many reasons to state here, lest I ruin my day altogether.

  20. David says:
    @Greta Handel

    Though your tone is unappealing, I’m sympathetic with your general thrust.

    However, Buchanan chose his own subject and wrote about it. Not every problem with American foreign policy needs to be dragged into every article, especially ones without any reference to foreign policy.

    Just write the article you want to read and ask Unz to publish it. Or post it as an extended comment. Or read the many dozens of columns Buchanan has written on the topics you long to introduce.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  21. @Emslander

    141million out off 212 million registered voters voted, tRump got 74 million votes.
    141million-74million=67million
    How did the corrupt demoncRat biDen beat the orange golem of greatness??
    The stupidity and exeptionalist average murcan is going to learn that they are NOT special and sadly for them find out that they have not managed to keep their republic.
    You are now officially a 3rd world 🍌 republic armed with nukes.
    “We” THE people of the world need to find a way that dismantles you and get those nukes to a safe non exeptional place ASAP.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  22. At the beginning of The Roosevelt Myth John T. Flynn recounts FDR performing a similar maneuver. A week before his inauguration banks were collapsing all over America. In the midst of a ball at the Astor Hotel where Roosevelt was celebrating his victory, Raymond Moley, his closest advisor and speechwriter read a note from Hoover.
    “Hoover pointed out with complete realism the threat to the whole national banking
    structure, the flight of gold from the country, the rush of cash from the banks into hiding. Fear, he said, had taken possession of the public mind.[Hoover suggested a plan of action that only Roosevelt could do.]Roosevelt refused to acknowledge Hoover’s request, but did it after the inauguration to get the credit at the cost of the life savings of millions of Americans.”

  23. Americans aren’t together now. The question is whether or not the system can stand without a real people or culture. Isn’t that what the experiment is about?

  24. @Per/Norway

    Per, the average American is powerless, not stupid. I think that Norway is a wonderful place, but the same forces that have destroyed America are at work in Norway. My guess is that average Norwegians are no more powerful than average Americans. Hopefully your rulers have some sense of connection with the Norwegian people.

  25. A slice of our intellectual elite emphatically agrees with the New York Times’ Project 1619, which decrees that the real birth date of this nation was neither 1776 nor 1789, but the year that the first slave ship arrived in Virginia.

    To this influential cohort, enslavement of Black people brought from Africa and dispossession and destruction of the indigenous tribes that European settlers found here are the defining events of our history.

    That is just an excuse. The left also wants to destroy White countries that had nothing to do with slavery.

    The left has gone nanners over race. Leftists at the top believe that their only hope is to dilute Whites and take their stuff. The other option of admitting they were wrong is unthinkable and they would rather burn the country. They also want to re-write history because they don’t actually have faith in New Wakanda. If the left isn’t stopped they’ll eventually create their own fictional history where Black people invented calculus but evil Whites stole it from them. If that sounds outlandish well so did tearing down a statue of Churchhill becaue he said naughty things about some groups.

    And we have no common code of morality. One side is rooted in modernism and secularism and the other in the teachings of the Old and New Testament, Christian tradition and a natural law written on the human heart that is superior to man-made law.

    I agree that modern secular morality has far more flaws but I don’t think Christianity is innocent in all this. Christianity over time seems to foment its own form of race denial unless kept in check.

    The opposition to the left (Con Inc) really believes that God created all groups equally and Africans just need less socialism or something. So the opposition never goes for the jugular of the left which is race while pushing its own race-denial based solutions.

    Could democracy save us? Maybe if we had a party that actually represented the people. It wouldn’t have to be based on race. Just a populist party that calls BS on both sides would be enough.

  26. “A slice of our intellectual elite”

    “this influential cohort”

    Pat is the master of euphemism. In his column just after the election he referred to the “academic, media, and cultural elite.”

    I know he’s gotten in trouble in the past for being more explicit.

    Was America, is America, with all its sins and virtues and all its achievements, a country to be cherished, loved and defended? Or is America a country of whose history we should all be ashamed?

    This is indeed the real issue, but I disagree that it’s specifically American. It’s a strikingly similar situation in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia. (And probably New Zealand too, people always forget about New Zealand.)

    Not only Lee, but Columbus and Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, TR and Wilson are all racist white men whose disgraceful and even criminal conduct disqualifies them from a place of honor in the American pantheon of 2020. All statues of such men need to come down to cleanse us of the stain of having honored them.

    And Captain Cook, Winston Churchill, etc., etc.

    And we have no common code of morality. One side is rooted in modernism and secularism and the other in the teachings of the Old and New Testament, Christian tradition and a natural law written on the human heart that is superior to man-made law.

    Secularism is pretty commonly agreed upon in Western Europe. Race and immigration are the big issues.

    It’s all about post-WWII White Guilt now. All other political issues are secondary.

  27. @David

    Mr. Buchanan’s propaganda in service of the Establishment is my subject. As long as he writes and Mr. Unz publishes it, I’ll keep calling it out to help others see “Mr. Paleoconservative” for what he’s become.

    Please do, though, refute anything particular I have to say that you believe unfair or inaccurate. We’ll then see who has the better evidence and argument. You might start by citing some of those “many dozens of columns Buchanan has written on the topics [I] long to introduce.”

  28. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    “Our dysfunctional American family agrees upon less and less.”

    A superb point, but I will add this. It is not just the larger societal family. It is often one’s OWN family, and friends. Regarding the loss of the affection and respect of one’s own family, I cannot do better than what a commenter once wrote. His poignant words resonate: “I feel alone.” Well, at least his aloneness is not total, because at this website, this pub, he and others like him are not deplorable; quite the contrary.

  29. @JimDandy

    Our multicultural democracy seems destined to severely cheapen the lives of white people. So, any alternative that wouldn’t result in that.

    Multicultural egalitarianism has no choice because racial outcomes are unequal.

    White people have to be cheapened and degraded for the sake of equality.

    Whites are not only supposed to accept the resulting mess but finance their own destruction.

    The problem lies in demanding equality from nature/God.

    If egalitarians would accept this and move on they would actually help far more people.

    Turning cultural stupidity to 11 as a solution against nature will cause chaos for everyone.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  30. JimDandy says:
    @John Johnson

    Turning cultural stupidity to 11 as a solution against nature will cause chaos for everyone.

    Yep.

  31. Protogonus says: • Website

    The story of the “democratization” of Germany proves that no “republic” based on worship of the ballot box can endure:

    https://www.academia.edu/41745763/How_the_German_Spirit_Died_A_History_

    Germany’s destruction at the hands of those rabid promoters of “republican” values (“The Red Republicans”) who arose within liberalism led to the political disorientation of the entire world:

    https://www.academia.edu/41985864/How_the_Human_Spirit_Died_Meta_Analysis_

    And the blame for the loss of mankind’s ability to comprehend its position and path can be pinned precisely on those anti-conservative voices that still today beguile and betray us with liberal talk:

    https://www.academia.edu/42052811/Three_Malefactors_of_the_Communist_Idea_Meta_Analytical_Note_

    Properly cogitated, none of these views contradicts the essential conservatism of Mr. Buchanan, which is that of a believer and a defender of true freedom.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  32. If Britain and the USA had election by lot in the first decades of the 20th Century, meaning a lottery with someone on the electoral roll picked by chance for every position in the legislature, would we have had WWI? Great Depression? WWII? The super-rich though culturally alien deciding who will rule us? Billions spent making those picks? Powerful lobbies pushing us over many cliffs? LGBXYZ laying down the law, making insanity the law? Our inherited culture thrown down the drain?

    No. None.

    Make sure every citizen over a certain age is registered on the electoral role of every county, pick one at random from each for a 12 year term as legislator on a salary at the upper quartile, give each a professional advisor, put corruption controls in place.

    Peaceful, happy world.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  33. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    > “Consider. In announcing the $900 billion stimulus bill…”

    Buy a bottle of Jameson.

    Download all of Buchanan’s columns.

    Take a shot every time Pat writes “consider.”

    Try to stay sober for more than 60 minutes.

    Just sayin’….

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  34. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    > “the high rate of Latino immigration”

    Legal or illegal?

    Is raping Wetbackettes kosher if called “undocumented boinking”?

    Can we rob Beaners with impunity if we call it “undocumented appropriation of Lantinks’ swag”?

    Can we be spared “carcerality” if we word-game all crimes?

  35. KenR says:

    My ‘faith in democracy’ was in tatters coming into this election.
    Safe to say it’s been destroyed.
    There is zero chance for citizenry to affect public policy, the gov is controlled by special interests.

    This election revealed interests really control the ballot box, too.
    And no effective mechanism exists to counter electoral fraud or enforce integrity.
    – Law enforcement won’t touch it. You have to file civil suits to enforce the law, really?
    – You have only a few weeks to file and work the courts.
    – The courts don’t want to touch it either, and can easily run away.
    – The courts aren’t the right forum anyway, legislatures govern elections.
    – Legislatures run away the fastest. AWOL

    Regarding these special interests who control the government and the ballot box?
    Their interests do not coincide with Americans’ best interests.
    So they are enemies of heritage Americans, or indifferent to them at best.

    Is it worse to have a king?
    Yes, a king can be a tyrant.
    At least a king’s power rises and falls with his people. For what’s a French king w/o the French, etc?
    And when a king goes rogue there’s no lie you have to work through, such as that your vote matters.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  36. Biff says:

    “Democracy” sucks!

    Because it can be bought and sold like any other commodity on the planet.

  37. rgl says:

    The US isn’t a democracy. Ergo, there is no democracy to be held together. America is/was a Republic. Nevertheless it has devolved into something not much more than an army with a country attached to it for logistical support.

    Government: closes down the economy due to Covid. Citizens: We need payroll assistance. Government: Fuck you.

    In the middle of a pandemic (real or imagined), citizens: We desperately need (and overwhelmingly want) universal healthcare. Government: Again, fuck you.

    If though, you have any connection to the Pentagon … here, take whatever you want out of the taxpayer pie. They won’t mind.

    Ah yes … the American Dream. LOL.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  38. Zumbuddi says:

    Name the Jew.

    Look at geokat’s comment 628 on The Jew Thing.

    Jews name themselves as responsible for the mess US is in.

    Take them at their word.

    Declare a Response

    • Troll: Corvinus
  39. Corvinus says:
    @Protogonus

    “And the blame for the loss of mankind’s ability to comprehend its position…”

    That is a false premise on your part. Each person by virtue of free will is able to discern who they are, where they are going, and what they believe in. Certainly, their reasoning may be specious in some cases, or outright delusional in other cases; regardless, you are assuming that we as human beings have collectively lost this particular skill set.

    “True freedom”…

    Thanks! I was able to place my token on the “No True Scotsman” spot on my List Of Fallacies Bingo card. BINGO!

  40. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Every great Nation/ Empire such as Rome, UK, Soviet could only be sustained by FEAR…I often wonder what would weld Americans together within a multidiverse balkanization pressure like race, language, religions, nationalities etc. The only possible answer was THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION the LAWS,democracy ONE MAN ONE VOTE…That major crux of USA social/political contract has been VIOLATED in the 2020 fraud elections; in good American speak ALL BETS ARE OFF…ONCE you kill your god there is no way to turn back…The USA will become a UNITARY presidential (BUE/DEM) didactorship that can only be sustained by FEAR/TERROR…..that means an ever increasing$$ expanding octopus security surveillance police state. ..will American go into extinction meekly??? We see the cause,,what will be the reaction??? MAGA 2020 is a movement without leaders…who will lead the fight?????

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Corvinus
  41. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    If Britain and the USA had election by lot in the first decades of the 20th Century, meaning a lottery with someone on the electoral roll picked by chance for every position in the legislature, would we have had WWI? Great Depression? WWII? The super-rich though culturally alien deciding who will rule us? Billions spent making those picks? Powerful lobbies pushing us over many cliffs? LGBXYZ laying down the law, making insanity the law? Our inherited culture thrown down the drain?

    No. None.

    You may have a point!

  42. @Gina Schrank

    As the Supreme Court has Original Jurisdiction regarding arguments between states, the Court lost its moral authority by ducking the Texas case. What happened to the three “conservative” justices Trump appointed? Were they swayed by the Chief Justice, or were they afraid for their own and their families safety? It was reported that Roberts was screaming at the others, that they could not take up the case because of RIOTS! Kudos to Justices Thomas and Alito for being the only ones with courage.

  43. @KenR

    Basically agree. When a citizen presents copious evidence of electoral fraud, the court simply says he has no standing. Which is a perverted way of saying the law has no standing. The courts were supposed to be a check on rogue legislators. Now the Justice check is gone. Without it, democracy cannot subsist. Game over.

    Something like having the Superbowl with no referees. In that case the victory will go to whichever side is paid the most. No point to attending the game, or playing.

  44. Why this need to be held together?

    Never let a crisis go to waste. Use the crisis of 2020 to split the US in two.

    US doesn’t need to split geographically. Just politico-denomi-Nationally. It’s like Protestants and Catholics live side by side but belong to different churches.

    Create two Americas with two capitols. Let cons belong to America 1 and let Libs belong to America 2.

    Cons should use 2020 as excuse for a massive tax revolt. Just like boomers burned draft cards in the 60s, the cons should say they want no more to do with the current US that cheats so spectacularly in elections. Besides, how can cons do anything in D.C., a town where 96% of people are Democrats? Imagine Democratic politicians operating in a capital that is 96% conservative.

    Let there be two Americas. One side pays taxes to America 1, the other side pays taxes to America 2. People of America 1 vote for their leaders, and people of America 2 vote for their leaders. That way, One America can have someone like Biden, the other America can have someone like Trump.

    Now, some things will be of shared use, like upkeep of national parks and access to natural resources. And utilities like water and electricity. But they would have separate schools. Let one America teach ‘white guilt’ while the other America teaches patriotism. Let one America worship homos, and let other America worship God and Jesus.

    As proposed here: https://www.unz.com/article/2020-autopsy-continued/#comment-4270448

    Though seemingly impossible, it just might be possible given what happened in 2020, actually since 2016. Jews are so insistent on “What we want!!” that they pulled all the stops since Trump’s election to destroy every standard and rule of law. Not only Russia Hoax and bogus Ukraine impeachment but Big Tech censorship, denial of financial service to dissidents, Covid hysteria to destroy the Trump economy, BLM riots, and etc. Jews use Antifa to attack law-abiding Americans. And then the big fraudulent election, and media complicity.

    2020 has been such a crisis year, mainly due to Jewish supremacist obnoxiousness, that it is about time for patriots to finally call for a breakup. Letting Jewish Power get away with 2020 is like letting someone get away with rape. Weaklings will cower before Jews and plead in tone of appeasement, “Oh, you kicked our ass real good this year. From now, we will behave and no longer vote for someone like Trump again. So, will you pleeeeeeaaaaaase be good to us from now on and not beat us up? Oh, boo hoo hoo.” That’s cuck attitude.

    No, it’s time for a new kind of secession. Not geographic — impossible as every state has its share of libs and cons — but in taxation and political governance.
    Imagine a world where lib parents send their kids to lib school, and con parents send their kids to con school. And Libs have their president in someone like Biden and cons have their president in someone like Trump. Except for common use purposes, their tax dollars go to support different governments. And if libs want more electoral fraud, let them have it. Cons have cleaner elections to elect their own kind. Also, with most Jews being in Lib America, the conservative America can be relatively free of Jewish influence.

    It will make for a more peaceful nation as libs will always have their president, and cons will always have their president.

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  45. @RoatanBill

    People will vote with their feet

    But 50 countries will have borders and immigration policies. Where would the people from NY, Cali, NJ etc be welcome?

    I do agree with your solution.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  46. @Bill Jones

    Logically, every US citizen would automatically be a citizen of each of the 50 new countries.

    I imaging, for example, a 5 year grace period would probably allow people to choose which citizenship they will keep and which ones they will relinquish. During that time they can vote with their feet.

    As California fails economically, their inhabitants will flee and it will become a failed country. It will be annexed by another entity that’s still functioning. Wash, Rinse, Repeat till there are maybe a dozen countries with sustainable policies.

    Now if California’s gov’t decides to impose border controls to physically prevent people from leaving as they are now attempting to impose exit taxes for the people that are leaving, that will just hasten their downfall and there will be no Fed Gov to help prop them up.

  47. Zumbuddi says:
    @Anonymous

    Fear did not motivate Mutius to plunge his right arm into the flames, nor Horatius to defend the bridge.

    Pride, not fear, said Civis Romanus Sum.

    Some might call it nationalism.

  48. Zumbuddi says:
    @Priss Factor

    I’m having a hard time imagining how division can work without geographic separation.

    Let Jews have a state of their own, but they can’t live, do business in, have political or cultural influence in any state not their own.

    Some pope decreed a similar solution

    So did NSDAP.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  49. @onebornfree

    The first prerequisite of democracy is a racially n ethnically coherent rural population, a peasantry. Historically peasantries have always replenished urban populations while urbanites have always ruled them.

    Urban populations launch empires, not peasantries. Once Urbanites forget that the source of their imperial strength is their peasantry n start transforming their empire into multiethnic “civic” states, which means throwing their peasantries under the bus, then their empire becomes a house of cards n the whole thing disintegrates.

    Democracy n Empire are mutually exclusive. No Empire has ever survived multiculturalism n the extinction of its peasantry, despite deceptive slogans like Diversity is our strength. Diversity is not a strength but part of imperial decline.

    All of America’s traditional institutions have now failed. Democracy is being rejected as “racist”, which is code for saying democracy is incompatible with empire. America’s political institutions were created by a small homogeneous isolated peasantry with a tiny urban population. Now we have a huge urban population with zero ties to traditional America.

    The peasantry has now been entirely excluded from all political input, symbolized by Trump. The urban imperialists are searching for a pretext to sweep away the last remnants of Constitutional rule. They will find it. America is a house of cards run by hostile immigrants who have excluded rural Americans, n the latter have zero loyalty to the imperial state. N they should have zero loyalty.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    , @dfordoom
  50. @Zumbuddi

    But how can we have geographical separation? Too many whites are in the South with the blacks.

    Too many Anglos are with the browns in the SW.

    Too many Repugs and Dummycrats live in same state and locales.

    When the USSR broke up, the republics were more-or-less made up of certain ethnic majorities. Like Lithuanians in Lithuania, Kazakhis in Kazakhstan. And those people had deep roots in the land.
    US is a young nation, and people from all over spread across in all directions.

    There was a time when most blacks were in the South, but tons of them moved up north, even to Minneapolis. And whites in some of the whitest states are most far-gone in PC idiocy.

    So, the best way is something like bi-nationalism. Northern Ireland has something similar. The Protestants and Catholics both live there but they have separate loyalties.

    Imagine the following scenario.

    Suppose there’s a territory with 1000 people. Suppose 500 have A values and the other 500 have B values. So, People A and People B distrust one another. But suppose they are economically so interdependent and intermingled demographically. So, it’s not possible to divide the domain in half into A land and B land. A’s and B’s must live together.
    Still, suppose they decide to have separate governments. A’s vote for their own politicians, and B’s do the same. A’s pay taxes to A government, and B’s pay taxes to B government. Now, some of their taxes go to common use, such as utilities and other shared interests.
    But when it comes to schools and governance, they have separate ways and rules. And the rules of one doesn’t apply to the other. So, if B government allows gun ownership, B folks can own guns. if A government bans gun ownership, A folks can’t have guns and can be prosecuted by A government. But A government cannot prosecute B folks for having guns as B folks live under B rule.
    Also, if A folks have ‘gay marriage’, it doesn’t apply to B folks. If B folks ban ‘gay marriage’, such thing cannot be recognized by B government.

    Imagine an island where Orthodox Jews and Fundamental Muslims must live side by side. Suppose they are 50/50 in number. What would be the best way to solve the differences? The best way would be to divide the island in half with Jews on one side and Muslims on the other side. But suppose that is not impossible and Jews and Muslims must live together. Then, the only sane option is bi-nationalism. Jews elect their own government and have their own capitol, and Muslims have the same. They live together on the same island but are governed separately.

    A crude version of this exists in Bosnia-Herzegovina among the Croats, Muslims, and Serbs.

  51. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    How about YOU lead the fight? Why won’t YOU stop this fear and save us?

  52. @Sin City Milla

    Just for Corvinus I’m gonna jump out from under my bridge n demand some gold.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  53. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “The first prerequisite of democracy is a racially n ethnically coherent rural population, a peasantry.”

    The English, French, Dutch, Swedes, and Spanish are indeed “white”, but were not “ethnically coherent”.

    “America’s political institutions were created by a small homogeneous isolated peasantry with a tiny urban population.”

    At first, America’s political institutions were in large part developed by elites–Puritan ministers, New York merchants, Virginian plantation owners. Later, the First Great Awakening ideals and Enlightenment thinking became part of the equation.

    You should be paying ME for your abject stupidity. A sawbuck will suffice.

  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Sin City Milla

    The first prerequisite of democracy is a racially n ethnically coherent rural population, a peasantry.

    Here’s a theory. The first prerequisite of democracy is a population that is entirely homogeneous in every way. If everybody follows the same religion, if everybody belongs to the same ethnic group, if there are no social classes, if everybody belongs to the same sex and everybody holds essentially the same opinions on all social, cultural, political and economic issues and everybody has exactly the same interests then democracy will work.

    If a population includes groups that have different interests then democracy will not work.

    To make democracy work we would have to become the Borg.

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