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On the last days of the 2020 campaign, President Donald Trump was holding four and five rallies a day in battleground states, drawing thousands upon thousands of loyalists to every one.

Waiting for hours, sometimes in the cold, to cheer their champion on, these rallygoers love Trump as few presidents have been loved. This writer cannot recall a president and campaign that brought out so many and such massive crowds of admirers in its closing days.

And who are these cheering, chanting loyalists who have brought their children out with them to see and remember “the great Trump” — in the eyes of our dispossessed elites?

They are people who belong in a “basket of deplorables,” sneered Hillary Clinton: “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic” bigots, and a sub-species of humanity that is “irredeemable.”

Today’s election is an us-versus-them choice unlike any other, for the issues in dispute are broader and deeper than ever before.

And those issues raise questions: No matter who wins, can this nation come together again? And if it cannot — a real possibility — what form will America take as it disintegrates?

Even as voters were mailing in ballots in the millions, stores in our great cities were being boarded up against rioters, looters and arsonists.

Suburban residents, fearful that the urban mobs may one day be coming for them, were stockpiling guns and ammunition.

How divided are we?

The New York Times “Sunday Review” devoted its entire section to Donald Trump, as seen from the eyes of its columnists. On the cover page of the Review ran the headline, “All 15 of our columnists explain what the past four years have cost America, and what’s at stake in this election.”

Each of the 15 trashed Trump from his or her perspective.

Since World War II, America has held elections where the country seemed at sword’s point. Not all were like 1960, where scholar Arthur Schlesinger Jr., felt compelled to write the book, “Kennedy or Nixon: Does It Make Any Difference?”
Schlesinger felt he had to explain that despite the similarity of the candidates, both in their 40s, it made a difference who was elected.

Yet, even after the most divisive elections of the post-war era — 1952 and 1968 — the country pulled back together. President Dwight Eisenhower, from 1952 to 1956, and Richard Nixon, from 1968 to 1972, restored unity to the nation during their first terms by ending the Asian wars into which their predecessors had taken the nation.

New leadership ended the wars and brought the United States together.

The difference today?

Americans are not divided over war. One of Trump’s successes has been to keep us out of new wars, even if he has not yet extracted us from the wars he inherited.

ORDER IT NOW

Today, we are divided over ideology, morality, culture, race and history. We are divided over whether America is the great nation we were raised to revere and love or a nation born in great sins and crimes — such as the near annihilation of indigenous peoples and their cultures and the enslavement of hundreds of thousands of Black peoples from Africa.

Are we the nation of 1776 and 1789, or the nation of 1619, whose institutions are still infected with the “systemic racism” of our birth?

In this divided country, at times, Americans seem to detest each other.

Indeed, if the United States did not exist as one nation, would this diverse people ever agree to form a compact to come together, or would we seek to retain our separate identities?

In tearing down the statues of explorers such as Christopher Columbus or the Founding Fathers and their successor presidents, from Andrew Jackson to Abraham Lincoln to Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, the contempt for the country these men helped to bring into being, and for what this country stands for today, is manifest.

A significant slice of America’s young believes that the nation to which they belong was detestable from its birth, and that the Western civilization from which it sprang is not worth saving.

In his farewell address, President Ronald Reagan spoke of the America where he was raised and which he cherished:

“The hope of human freedom — the quest for it, the achievement of it — is the American saga. And I’ve often recalled one group of early settlers making a treacherous crossing of the Atlantic on a small ship when their leader, a minister, noted that perhaps their venture would fail and they would become a byword, a footnote to history. But perhaps, too, with God’s help, they might also found a new world, a city upon a hill, a light unto the nations.”

How many Americans still believe what Reagan believed? How many yet see America as “a city upon a hill, a light unto the nations”?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. We didn’t have to give power to the disintegrators in the first place, you know.

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  2. mijj says:

    the USA, for the world’s sake, *needs* to disintegrate.

    We can do without the endless political/economic interference. The endless national political/economic subversions, CIA-terrorist attrocities, military invasions, mass-murders and looting.

    Please, USA, go and fuck yourself into oblivion.

    • Agree: neutral
    • Replies: @SBaker
    , @Jake
    , @buford T Justis
  3. @advancedatheist

    We didn’t give power to the disintegrators. They took it by armed force. As some smart guy (not me) said, “it’s been all downhill since Gettysburg.”

    Watch this if you have a strong stomach. Disgusting triumphalist Yankees, everyone of them Biden voters. Even the dead ones like Ronnie Gilbert.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  4. Altai says:

    Indeed, if the United States did not exist as one nation, would this diverse people ever agree to form a compact to come together, or would we seek to retain our separate identities?

    In tearing down the statues of explorers such as Christopher Columbus or the Founding Fathers and their successor presidents, from Andrew Jackson to Abraham Lincoln to Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, the contempt for the country these men helped to bring into being, and for what this country stands for today, is manifest.

    This is the point, once the great wave displaced the historic ‘ethnic American’ nation, the Founding Fathers were recontextualised not as heroic ancestors of the American nation but into mythical philosopher king figures who created the American creed. The Founding Fathers are essential to maintain America as a proposition nation. Once you get rid of them or deconstruct them as real people, you break the last link America had to it’s own past for the bulk of the population. Then America ceases to exist, it’s just a legal matrix, a piece of paper. A real American nation could survive the repudiation of the Founding Fathers, the ‘hodge podge’ of people America is now can’t.

    The only place left to go is back to blood.

    They have no idea what they’re doing by destroying those statues. If you cancel George Washington, you cancel the United States. And they don’t want to cancel the USA, they want to parasitise it.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @GoodTwin
  5. anonimie says:

    A “pandemic” couldn’t bring America together. It only worsened the mistrust and division.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  6. Renoman says:

    “They say that people get what they deserve but lord sometimes it’s much worse than that”, John Mellancamp!

  7. Today, we are divided over ideology, morality, culture, race and history.

    And thus conquered. The transgender statues, Confederate bathrooms, and other political swizzle sticks allow the Establishment to work as one for what really matters — to them.

    Notice how the Congress dispensed with partisan bickering to speedily enact TARP and CARES (approved 96-0 in the Senate) legislation to bail out Wall Street? And when enemies dared attack our allies, values or freedoms, Uncle Sam’s Red and Blue fists fly just as fast. Remember the Maine? Lusitania? Gulf of Tonkin? Innocents of the Kuwaiti incubators? The AUMF so forceful that, nearly two decades later, our GWOT can still be waged worldwide?

    Mr. Buchanan’s hand wringing column should at this point fool no one — he is part of the Red v Blue charade, a defender of the Establishment, and a mouthpiece of its bipartisan, Exceptional! narratives. Back in 2017, he condemned Russian meddling in our elections, a position he has never retracted. Within days, he concluded that “the killing of George Floyd was an atrocity that cries out for justice,” helping to stoke the racial strife he professes to fret about.

    People who are suckered into the political sideshow, especially as a Democrat or Republican so as not to “waste” their precious vote, only help to keep things as they are.

    How many Americans still believe what Reagan believed? How many yet see America as “a city upon a hill, a light unto the nations”?

    For now, enough to make this just another Most Important Election Ever.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Rurik
  8. Emslander says:

    We are divided over whether America is the great nation we were raised to revere and love or a nation born in great sins and crimes

    We’re both and neither and the key to the future is how we go from here. Any psychiatrist would tell a person stuck in conflict over the past that he or she has to resolve the conflict by accepting and admitting the truth of the past and see what you can do about the future.

  9. Why should it? The parasitic white lower class and their Zionist messiah seem hellbent on destroying it.

  10. SICKENING! BOTH parties are CORRUPT, EPSTEIN GUILTY and serve our 911 MURDERING / Epstein RAPING BLACKMAILING / ISIS TERRORIST / Beruit NUKING / USS LIBERTY MURDERING PARASITE SATANIC SCUMBAG MONSTERS IN TEL AVIV. Get it?

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  11. TTSSYF says:

    In a word, Pat: No.

  12. KenH says:

    Waiting for hours, sometimes in the cold, to cheer their champion on, these rallygoers love Trump as few presidents have been loved.

    And he’s hated and reviled by the Jewish led left like no other president as well. The question is whether there is enough people who love Trump and people who believe Trump is the lesser of two evils to carry him over the top on election day.

    I believe this nation is forever divided and it would be best to start working out a partition plan so the Jew led left can drive electric cars and live in mud huts to combat global warming while censoring speech and allowing blacks to riot and loot 24/7 while the rest of us can live in peace.

  13. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    People who are suckered into the political sideshow, especially as a Democrat or Republican so as not to “waste” their precious vote, only help to keep things as they are.

    The only ones who want to keep things as they are, are the elites. Those Wall Street trough-slurpers with their snouts on the slop, squealing to edge out the next pig so as to guzzle more $lop down their particular gullet.

    The rest of us are reeling. Reeling from DC corruption enough to choke a civilization to death.

    Reeling from a age of pernicious, all-pervasive perfidy, writ large upon the entire Western world. England, France, Germany, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, Austria, Canada and beyond, are all hectored by an insane ((media)) that they’re all evil and racist and guilty people who must be demonized from their halls of power down to their public schools, and replaced with ‘wokeness/POC, while their seven year-olds are given gender reassignment surgery.

    Scotland has a new thought-crime law intended to punish people in their own homes or during private conversations if they mock or insult some protected group of first-class citizens – sodomites, foreign invaders and colonizers, government treasonous scum, stone-age religious fanatics, perverts of every stripe or depravity, are all sacrosanct and protected by the law. Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Our societies are going literally insane. Children are encouraged to prance like Bacha boys for the depraved amusement of adult sexual deviants and predators.

    And if a sane person points out that this is an abomination, they’ll be hectored from the other side, (and yes, Greta there is two sides to this conflict).. as ‘haters and bigots, and “a “basket of deplorables,” sneered Hillary Clinton: “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic” bigots, and a sub-species of humanity that is “irredeemable.”

    A young man goes out to protect property from sub-human orcs burning it and looting, and a few of the orcs attack him with weapons, so he plugs the thugs as an example to us all, of how a proud American (or any) male conducts himself in the presence of violent and vicious human scum.

    And look at how our divided society rallies either around the orcs, vs. the man of decency and virtue who conducts himself with exemplary valor, even as a teenager.

    To pretend like there is nothing at stake in this election, is the height of dishonesty and guile.

    Half the nation considers it the right of orcs to burn people’s houses and business down, because those Christian or conservative-type of people believe in gender, and don’t raise their children to be self-loathing zombies, because they happen to have been born with white-toned flesh.

    The other half considers the LGBTQ, NAMBLA, homos in the Boy Scouts, homos celebrated by the pope, interracial couples on every TV show and advertisement, violent POC attacking and menacing White folks, while all White men are mocked and disparaged as losers or evil- as something gone very wrong with our nation and society.

    I’ve seen Biden ads that demands Biden will force federal mandates to control the Cornhole Plandemic.

    A federal fist in every American’s face. In their own homes, in the parks and lakes and everywhere these psychos demand power over us all.

    And you’d have us believe there’s no difference between Trump and Biden.

    Sure, you can point to all the corruption they’re both part of. That’s easy enough to do.

    Wall Street, Israel and so forth.

    But what about the things that distinguish the two camps?

    Racial hatred for Whites, vs. no racial hatred for anyone.

    Gender insanity.

    Second Amendment.

    First Amendment

    Wars (we on the right are against them, and Trump has tried to end them, vs. war pig Obama’s best bitch Biden, and his well-established uber-corruption, graft and war mongering)

    Kyle Rittenhouse.

    Those lawyers protecting their home with guns.

    Edward Snowden, (our whistle blower)

    Julian Assange (our journalist)

    Ron Paul (our politician)

    Heterosexual relationships – are not hate, and between adults only.

    White people are not evil.

    It goes on and on.

    The stakes really could not be more stark.

    If Biden and wokeness win, then they’ll feel they have a mandate to put their woke boot on the face of every American (of any race or creed) who feels they have a God-given right to tell all wannabe tyrants and fascists and assholes of every stripe, to fuck off.

    Not so a Trump victory, where there will actually be some small shred of hope to prosecute the criminal scum that have caused all these wars, and violated our freedoms, and rein in the CIA and other organs of the Deepstate.

    Not just religious or conservative Americans, and not just Western civilization, but human freedom is hanging in the balance.

    The direction of our entire planetary trajectory is being decided.

    If the Jewish supremacists are triumphant with Biden, (their bitch ; ), then woe to the people of this planet. Human freedom, or what’s left of it, will end in our time. (at least in the West. Russia will stand as the new hope. Moscow the new Rome – and Putin will become the new Hitler du jour, like nothing we’ve ever seen before).

    You heard it here, and I stand by every word.

    ~ Rurik, the prescient.

  14. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Pat you are so fucking out of it. You obsess about America America America, this bullshit abstraction. Why don’t you obsess about a different abstraction for a change? Fixate on the square root of -1 for a while, or transuent causation, or the dialectic. Give it a rest with this America shit. You can’t begin to imagine how tedious it is for normal human beings.

    What we have here is a criminal enterprise controlling a subject population by polarizing it. Everybody hates this fucking regime. But the criminal regime induces brainwashed nitwits to fight each other instead of their predatory state. That’s what elections are for.

    And bullshitters like you pop out your hernias with the mental strain of ignoring this criminal state, its prisons and forts and guns and goons, and reifying synthetic ideological conflict and its notional absence. You’ve never thought about an actual concrete thing in your fucking wasted life.

    You’re stuck in a criminal state that fucks you over. How do we get rid of it? If you don’t know what to do about that, then go paint puppies.

    • Troll: Jus' Sayin'...
  15. Realist says:

    Can a Disintegrating America Come Together?

    No.

    The Deep State does not want that.

  16. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    Not so a Trump victory, where there will actually be some small shred of hope to prosecute the criminal scum that have caused all these wars, and violated our freedoms, and rein in the CIA and

    other organs of the Deepstate.

    Like the first four years?

    • Agree: RVBlake
    • Replies: @Rurik
  17. Realist says:

    — what form will America take as it disintegrates?

    The Deep State will institute a police state…then the masses will revolt.

    • Replies: @Rich
  18. @Rurik

    You heard it here, and I stand by every word.

    ~ Rurik, the prescient.

    Cross that heart on your sleeve?

    But as long as there’s some small shred of hope, then I for one will cling to it- until Trump loses or is JFKd or wins the presidency and then picks neocons for his cabinet.

    ~ Rurik, the pliant (April 30, 2016)

    As pointed out in our last conversation, your 2016 vote has, as of now,* enabled the appointment of

    Secretary of State Pompeo

    Secretary of the Treasury Mnuchin

    Secretary of Defense [sic] Esper

    CIA Director Haspel

    FBI Director Wray

    Attorney General Barr

    Be honest: had you known this in 2016, would you have said, “anyways, we’re going to make America great again!”?

    Rend your garments here, but all you’re giving the Establishment with your vote is another four-year pass.

    —————

    *In double checking this list, I see that news media are suddenly pumping Beltway rumors that President Trump will fire half of these people if he’s re-elected. This cynically generates Blue outrage and Red hopes, prodding more voters from each half of the flock for the maintenance of the one and only Establishment.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Rurik
  19. @Wade Hampton

    Ronnie Gilbert was also a big fan of Uncle Joe Stalin.

  20. SBaker says:
    @mijj

    Most normal people have little interest in living like an Ethiopian pigmy.

  21. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    rein in the CIA and other organs of the Deepstate.

    Like the first four years?

    consider what those years would have looked like with the war bitch at the helm

    Brennan and Comey and Clapper (treasonous vermin the lot) were routed out of the Deepstate, and have been seething in their bile ever since.

    I’d posit that the four years of Trump, vs. the war hag have resulted in:

    A Supreme Court that may well vouchsafe the First and Second Amendments for our children to enjoy, vs. the end of those seminal acts of human genius and character at its apex.

    No ‘Assad must go’, no ‘no fly zones’ in Syria and a direct confrontation with Russia

    No war on Iran, which I would have considered a certainty under the war gorgon, and likely, (if not a certainty) under Biden.

    A pall of ‘wokeness’ over the nation like few can even imagine. Hate crimes laws like Scotland’s would be a no-brainer, with Hillary’s SC Justices making the rulings.

    Mitt and Marco and the legions of Never-Trumpers and neocons would be having a field day. It’d be the ultimate in bipartisanism, with untold trillions for Wall Street and reparations and foreign aid enough to make your head spin. The Deplorables would be under siege, and the war on Christians and conservative values would have been a rout by now.

    Think South Africa, with crime ignored depending on the race and creed of the perp and victim.

    Today’s America has so many parallels with Weimar Germany, that at times it feels like we’re virtually living it. But we have no idea what it would be like when ‘man/boy’ sex isn’t just legal, but heralded as the greatest thing since assassination drones.

    We wake up in Trump’s America, and lament the Wall Street uber-corruption and slavish fealty to all things Zion, but we delude ourselves that things couldn’t possibly be worse. Because OMG! how worse it would have been, I doubt few people can even comprehend it.

    Imagine Kyle Rittenhouse under a Hillary administration. He killed a Jewish supremacist!

    I watched a few minutes of Court TV about that case, and every single expert on the panel kept saying he had an automatic weapon and how no one should be running around with an “AK47” (it was a legal AR15), but these asshats kept lying, (or were so criminally misinformed, to be acting as experts in a huge case on Court TV as to be laughable, or tragic beyond words), and that is all during Trump’s administration. Just imagine it under that vicious, mass-murdering, psychotic hag.

    We

    have

    no

    idea!

    So yea, lament the last four years if you must, and there was a lot to lament. (trillions to (((Wall Street))), persecution of the world’s most courageous journalist, cowardly assassination of a sovereign nation’s general, and other stuff), but compared to what it would have been, (wars writ large all over the Middle East and beyond) or will be under Biden, is not taking into consideration the true nature of wokeness/J-supremacism/the Orwellian hell on earth like few Americans could possibly imagine in their worst nightmares.

    But if Biden and wokeness win (or steal it ; ), then we’re all about to find out.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Incitatus
  22. @Rurik

    Thanks. You’ve expressed my sentiments perfectly.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  23. If voting mattered it would be illegal. Don’t believe me just ask President Sam Tilden, the only person to receive a majority of popular votes and not serve as president. He won the election but not the one that really counted, the one behind closed doors. Or, ask the people of Los Angeles, Colorado. In 1859 the people of Los Angeles, San Diego, Riverside, Santa Barbara, Kern and San Luis Obispo Counties voted to separate from California and form the territory of Colorado (Denver’s hinterland had not yet been named). The governor signed off on it. The California legislature approved it but the people who had began controlling the US, starting 1848, didn’t want to end up with two more Western senators. Then, of course, we have the US invasion of the Confederate States where the citizens, and constitutional convention delegates, had voted for independence. The revolution of 1848 started in Europe. It was a Marxist revolution and was intended to overthrow the existing order in Europe. It failed and many of its leaders escaped to the US. They founded the Republican party and started or acquired newspapers. During the War of Secession Lincoln closed hundreds of newspapers that displeased him so all the Marxist papers had to do was flatter Lincoln and watch their competition disappear. With the conquest of the South newspapers there were heavily censored. They became brainwashing machines to convince Southerners they needed to be the US’s internal Mexico. By the mid 1970’s Marxist pretty much had a lock on information Americans got.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  24. anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    In his farewell address, President Ronald Reagan spoke of the America where he was raised and which he cherished:

    Then that fraud went to collect a million bucks from the Japanese.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  25. Uncle Sam says:

    The so-called “Founding Fathers” established America as a nation for “free white men”. The political institutions that they constructed including the written Constitution were built on that premise.

    I do not believe that they would have thought that nonwhites should be part of that creation. In other words, they would have not set up the government that they did if they thought that nonwhites would have political and social equality with whites. They would have removed the nonwhites from the country or set up a dictatorship strictly controlling the presence of nonwhites until such time as they could eventually be removed to their countries or continents of origin. The only possible exception to that would be the Native Americans who would be given preferential treatment and eventually assimilated into white society. After all, it was their land that the whites had conquered.

    If they could see America the way it is today, they would invalidate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and impose a strong dictatorship on the country, taking into account first and foremost the interests of white Americans. Blacks would be forced to live on reservations until they could be safely and effectively removed from the country. Or, alternatively, given one or two states of their own. The last option would not be viable in any event because within 2 generations at most they would turn it into a Third World ****hole.

    Finally, as it presently stands America cannot be united because it never was united and is therefore “ununitable”. You cannot take people from all different backgrounds from all over the world and put them in one place and expect them to get along and respect one another. There are too many differences between and among human beings for that to have any prospect of success. That is pie-in-the-sky utopian craziness.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  26. Jake says:
    @mijj

    For the good of the world and for the good of almost US citizens who are neither multi-millionaires/billionaires nor Affirmative Action recipients, the US needs to break apart.

  27. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    Trump will probably win…then we will see how he addresses each of the situations you listed.

    Both candidates are under the control of the Deep State…so for important issues* to them it doesn’t matter who wins.

    * Continue to gain wealth and power, with the goal of total world dominance.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Jake
  28. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    Cross that heart on your sleeve?

    my heart and soul are codified in nearly two million words on this website

    the verity therein, I’m told is boldly on display for those with eyes to glimmer, and a genuine heart to grasp

    for those whose hearts are dead, my words are inaudible

    ~ Rurik, the pliant (April 30, 2016)

    Please don’t play with my votive signature as if I penned such nonsense.

    I’m never pliant.

    He selected neocons for his cabinet, but then ignored their frothing chicken hawk clucking and cucking to their eternal and public humiliations and angst. John Bolton and ‘Mad dog’ are disgraced and despised by everyone and all camps combined.

    That, in and of itself is quite a feat. Just as his outing of Mitt as a lickspittle of the Deepstate.

    Unlike the war hag, he did not start any wars.

    To John Bolton’s apoplectic unraveling. And Mad dog’s disgraceful grunting into obscurity.

    Be honest: had you known this in 2016, would you have said, “anyways, we’re going to make America great again!”?

    While it’s true that after the spectacular inauguration speech, I was very hopeful.

    And in that, I’ve been repudiated. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump has been heads and tails a dream come true, compared to the war bitch.

    If Trump had started a war with Iran, or Venezuela or anywhere else, then that would be different, and I’d say fuck all.

    But he didn’t

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  29. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    Both candidates are under the control of the Deep State…so for important issues* to them it doesn’t matter who wins.

    You’re right that ((Wall Street and Israel)) win no matter what. But to slightly different degrees.

    So in that narrow context, it doesn’t really matter. The borders will stay open, and our nation will descend into the mire, regardless.

    But on other metrics, as you say, we’ll find out.

    Obviously it’s my hope that Trump wins, and then fires Pompeo and Munchkin and Barr and all the other deepstate scum, and sets about getting a genuine AG that will prosecute the treasonous vipers who tried to perpetrate a coup upon a sitting president.

    Not just a betrayal of Trump, but a betrayal of every American citizen of good will, who honors our Constitution, and harbors an affection for the land of our birth, regardless of race or creed.

    Every single lying, rotten traitorous rat responsible for the “Russian hacking idiocy’, and the Ukrainian farce, and the spying and witch hunts and persecution of innocent men, just to destroy Trump’s presidency, should be very nervous tonight, and in the coming days and weeks, if what purports to be happening, actually is.

    • Replies: @Realist
  30. Jake says:
    @Realist

    As I have said before, the Anglo-Zionist Empire intends to possess The One Ring To Rule Them All and will destroy the world in hope of getting it.

    • Agree: Realist
  31. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    I would like to see those involved in the coup attempt executed…but nothing close to that will happen.

    If one is to look at this election objectively…the logical conclusion is that the Deep State wants Trump to win. To me it is impossible to conceive of a worse pair to run for President and Vice president than Biden and Harris. It appears to me that the Deep State has set this election to go only one way. This conjecture presupposes that the Deep State has control over who runs for office…I believe they do.
    Of course if Biden wins my postulation is for shit.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  32. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    Well, at least you have the nads with which to postulate.

    And who can ignore how pathetic Biden as a candidate is.

    It seems certain that some elements of the Deepstate prefer Trump.

    and it appears on the diplomatic front, that Trump has indeed made some progress with normalizing relations between Israel and some of the more corrupt Arab states. But if he could continue to bully and bribe more of them, into betraying the Palestinians, than that is far more progress than Biden would be able to pull off. And also Trump seems to be the darling of ((Wall Street)), what with trillions in secret looting/bailouts.

    Who really knows the machinations happening behind the curtain.

    But it does seem certain that most (90+%) of the Deepstate scum, liberal wokeness, the ((media)), and assorted J-supremacist neocons and other rats, hate Trump’s guts with a netherworld psychotic insanity.

    Think the Bill Maher contingent. Or the Max Boot blowhards. Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, (one of my favorites to watch for if Trump wins ; )

    But Jews don’t always see eye to eye, and as the Big Jew Zionists were playing patty cakes with Hitler to move the little Jews to Palestine, the little Jews found themselves in work camps, making themselves ‘free’ through work. As Jewish kapos kept a close eye with the clubs at the ready.

    Perhaps that’s sort of what’s going on. Bloodthirsty Zionists like Adelson and Bibi, are making deals behind the backs of the liberal, progressive Jews to shore up the diplomatic front.

    Who knows. It’s all speculation, but I still very much want to see Rubin and Maher and Boot and Kristol and all the liberal/progressive Jews and liberals and Never-Trumper cucks like !Jeb and Bush and Mitt and Marco, and all the rest, to lose and lose big.

    As I’ve said a thousand times, this isn’t about Trump. It’s about those of us Americans who’re disgusted to the marrow of our souls at the wars and slaughter and insanity of our times. We want it all to end, and wake up tomorrow and the madness will be a horrid memory, like some nightmare we wake up from. What? There is no such thing as a Gitmo torture camp? It was all a terrible dream?

    I know that isn’t going to happen, but it’s nice to just let my fingers just dance around on the keyboard, and wistfully wish we didn’t all have to be so damn cynical.

    • Replies: @Realist
  33. Incitatus says:
    @anonymous

    To say nothing of Reagan’s tripling the National Debt (from $900 billion to $ 2.7 trillion). An average annual increase of 17% – the American record. Spent on vital weapons like feel-good refurbishing Missouri Class battleships.

    Prosperity’s great when expensed on credit paid (or defaulted on) by future generations. No wonder Reagan was given a ranch by his faithful. Almost as sinful as the DC mansion Pat supports by penning nonsense energizing GOP lemmings (power is everything).

    GW Bush doubled the National Debt (from ±$5 trillion to ±$10 trillion) with two tax breaks during his two wars (sans finding WMD and getting Osama bin Laden). Obama the same (from ±$10 trillion to ±$20 trillion) cleaning up after GW Bush’s wars and the 2007-08 mortgage fiasco.

    When did the slide to perdition become obvious? GHW Bush’s ‘Vomiting Incident’ 8 Jan 1992 (throwing up in Japanese Prime Minister Miyazawa’s lap)? Stalwart defender of GOP faith Dick Cheney’s 11 Feb 2006 ‘hunting incident’ (shooting friend attorney Harry Whittington in the face)? Bad vibes on the 50,000 acre Armstrong Ranch.

    Ah, the trials of empire!

  34. Uncle Sam says:

    The United States of America is a plutocrat’s dream.

  35. Miro23 says:

    How many Americans still believe what Reagan believed? How many yet see America as “a city upon a hill, a light unto the nations”?

    According to Wikipedia the original statement was made by the Puritan John Winthrop in Holyrood church, Southampton, in the year 1630, prior to boarding the Arabella heading for Massachusetts Bay.

    Winthrop warned his fellow Puritans that their new community would be “as a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us”, meaning, if the Puritans failed to uphold their covenant with God, then their sins and errors would be exposed for all the world to see: “So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword through the world”.

    It looks probable that if the US had remained as devoutly Christian as these first settlers, it would still have that basis for national unity. Christianity was still influential up to the 1950’s after which it collapsed (was chased out) by the destructive woke 1960’s counter-culturals.

    • Replies: @Observator
  36. @Miro23

    Actually, things in Puritan-controlled Massachusetts had gotten so bad that in March 1661, the Council for Foreign Plantations in London received a petition from “divers persons who had been sufferers in New-England on behalf of themselves and thousands there” in which it was stated, “Through the tyranny and oppression of those in power there, multitudes of the King’s subjects have been most unjustly and grievously oppressed, contrary to their own laws and the laws of England, imprisoned, fined, fettered, whipt, and further punished by cutting off their ears, branding the face, their estates seized and themselves banished [from] the country.” Summoned to England in 1662 to account for their conduct, Puritan representatives made such an unfavorable impression on the Council that King Charles appointed two commissioners to travel to New England, invested with royal authority to end the rampant abuses by the Puritan theocracy there.

    Moreover, notably absent from most lists of book burnings are those ordered by the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay. That Puritan governing body passed a law in its session of August 22, 1654, requiring that all Quaker books be sought out and publicly burned. Five years later the same body ordered the first four executions of Quakers, in their bloody purge of that sect. They also treated Anglican members of the colony with derision, banning them from voting or holding public office.

    These are the mean-spirited fanatics who built Ronald Reagan’s fantasy “shining city on a hill.” Conventional histories tell us these loathsome men were victims of repression – they actually were victimizers.

    • Agree: dfordoom, Showmethereal
    • Thanks: Miro23
  37. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    At this point it does not look good for Trump. Whether or not my postulation is for shit…this country is speeding up its shit slide to hell.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  38. @Atlanta Man

    Or ask the people of California, who voted against gay “marriage” but got it anyway.

  39. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    At this point it does not look good for Trump.

    IDK

    It looks like all he needs is Nevada, and it’s done.

    But then it seems like to me that there isn’t one vote being counted or reported this morning.

    Perhaps I just don’t know where to look, but from what I’ve glimmered, the whole election has been shut down. It’s around 11:00 AM where I’m at, and as yet, there seems to be nothing but crickets, and usually crickets speak louder than a thousand choruses of political analysts and professional liars howling from every bullhorn.

    If there’s crickets, then that would indicate good news for Trump, because we all know where the media and where these state government like Michigan are at. If Michigan goes Trump, I’m pretty sure that’s all she wrote.

    And so if the results are inconvenient, then I’d expect every possible stunt imaginable, up to and including fraud.

    It’s really a no-brainer.

  40. Rurik says:

    If Michigan goes Trump, I’m pretty sure that’s all she wrote.

    And so if the results are inconvenient, then I’d expect every possible stunt imaginable, up to and including fraud.

    how unfair of me!

    I see the reason for the delayed vote results in Michigan “were expected and are a sign clerks are deliberate in their counting process, said Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. ”

    “deliberate” in their counting process, I’m sure!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/04/election-results-if-trump-biden-wins-2020-hinges-these-5-states/6158111002/

    and a quick search of Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson shows that this person is as objective and non-partisan as you can get!

    Benson graduated magna cum laude from Wellesley College, where she founded the now-annual Women in American Political Activism conference and was the first student to be elected to serve in the governing body for the town of Wellesley, Massachusetts. She subsequently earned her Master’s in Sociology as a Marshall Scholar at Magdalen College, Oxford, in the United Kingdom, conducting research into the sociological implications of white supremacy and neo-Nazism. Prior to attending law school, Benson also lived in Montgomery, Alabama, where she worked for the Southern Poverty Law Center , as an investigative journalist researching white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations. Benson has also worked as a summer associate for voting rights and election law for the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and as a legal assistant to Nina Totenberg at National Public Radio.

    Benson received her J.D. from Harvard Law School, where she was a general editor of the Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review.[3] From 2002-2004, she served as the Voting Rights Policy Coordinator of the Harvard Civil Rights Project, a non-profit organization that sought to link academic research to civil rights advocacy efforts,[3] where she worked on the passage of the federal Help America Vote Act.

    Upon graduation from Harvard Law, Benson moved to Detroit to serve as a law clerk to the Honorable Damon J. Keith on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.

    She is a frequent commentator on voting rights and election law on local news and radio broadcasts.[14][15][16]

    In March 2010, Benson published her first book, State Secretaries of State: Guardians of the Democratic Process. The book highlights best practices of Secretaries from throughout the country and seeks to inform voters about how Secretaries of State from either side of the political spectrum can work to advance democracy and election reform.[18] After working with Secretaries of State from around the country while researching the book, Benson was inspired to run for the office in her home state of Michigan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Benson

    at least we can be absolutely certain that Ms. Benson would NEVER, EVER! do ANYTHING! untoward or partisan or underhanded when it comes to advancing White supremacists, (or those who’re relentlessly maligned as such), to the office of the president of the United States of America !

    Her heart is pure! And her commitment to democracy is as principled with integrity and objective treatment 100%!!!

  41. @mijj

    You don’t understand human nature.

  42. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "anon"] says:

    Mr. Buchanan sometimes has a talent for asking stupid questions.

  43. Can a Disintegrating America Come Together?

    Of course we can.

    After the Jew/Left is tortured, executed, imprisoned and/or sent to work/reeducation camps.

  44. @Rurik

    This needs a gold box.

    I too feel the fate of mankind currently hangs on the election outcome.

    Russia will stand as the new hope.

    The clairvoyant Edgar Cayce had similar thoughts.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  45. @Uncle Sam

    Very good points. Even more to the point when people look back in history of immigration it also did not look too kindly on southern europeans entering in either. “Nativists” liked British – Scandanvian – ane German migrants. And really even Irish were frowned upon. It took a long time for them to accepted. In fact even into the 20th century southern italians and sicilians faced mistrust and discrimination. The “unity” talk is just that… Talk. Even yesterday listening to Biden about “we the people”… 70 million people voted for Trumpand against Biden. In such a large country – that is basically an even split. Each half of the cou try despises each other. The only thing they agree on is supporting the military industrial complex.

  46. GoodTwin says:
    @Altai

    I don’t understand this obsession with the Founding Fathers. Yes I am facinated by Aarron Burr and Franklin, but I don’t have to agree with them on everything. The Founderd didn’t even agree with each other, which is why they left the Constitution so vague. It is necessary to study history with an open mind and we will find that they got some things right and some things wrong. The ancestor worship I can do without.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  47. @GoodTwin

    The Founder[s] didn’t even agree with each other, which is why they left the Constitution so vague.

    Your argument seems dubious. Please provide some examples.

  48. Rich says:
    @Realist

    I don’t think the masses will revolt, and those few who do will be quickly despatched. The ability of the government to monitor people’s actions and the massive number of police organizations as well as the swarm of informants, will easily crush any rebellion. Rebels have to, usually, be hungry, Americans are well fed and well entertained and, apparently, easily propagandized. The human condition was always historically one of the masses as slaves and a small, strong elite. Our little experiment at limited freedom may be coming to an end.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @dfordoom
  49. Realist says:
    @Rich

    The human condition was always historically one of the masses as slaves and a small, strong elite.

    It’s also one of rebellion.

    • Agree: Rich
  50. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rich

    Rebels have to, usually, be hungry

    No. Rebels have to be organised, disciplined, focused and have leaders. In the modern world they need money as well.

    Looking at historical examples it also helps to have backing from foreign powers (the American Revolution only succeeded because it had massive backing by foreign powers). And it helps to have some elite support.

    Hungry rebels who have none of those things in their favour just stay hungry.

    • Replies: @Rich
  51. Incitatus says:
    @Rurik

    “Imagine Kyle Rittenhouse under a Hillary administration. He killed a Jewish supremacist!”

    Your best consolation to a chubby 17-year-old inept vigilante? Invited to defend Kenosha by a want-to-be Minute-Man who failed to show-up and instead bravely sat it out on his own rural property?

    What weapons training did Kyle have? It was illegal (without special parental permits – not in evidence) for him to have/use such a weapon in Illinois, also illegal in Wisconsin. Kyle’s 18-year-old Wisconsin friend bought it for him (an AR to be used in hunting, believe it or not). Unfortunately that purchase was illegal even under lax Wisconsin law (legal age 18).

    Kyle’s life is ruined (no need to mention two killed and one grievously injured). Doubtless he’ll be the favorite of trust-fund nihilists that seek to settle scores with their parents by martyring another stupid innocent.

    • Troll: Rurik
  52. Rich says:
    @dfordoom

    But how often do well fed, fat people rebel? I can’t think of a single example. The leaders may be somewhat prosperous, as in the American revolution, but that seems rare to me. Foreigners do often support the rebels of their enemies, but you need to be hungry, for the most part, to be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to have a revolution. At least from my reading of history.

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