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Because of Donald Trump, Vice President Joe Biden thundered during the campaign, the U.S. “is more isolated in the world than we’ve ever been … America First has made America alone.”

Biden promised to repair relations with America’s allies. And he appears to have gone some distance to do so in the congratulatory phone call he received from Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga of Japan.

According to Suga, during the brief call, Biden said Article V of the U.S.-Japan Mutual Security Treaty of 1960 covers the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, islands Japan controls but China claims as its own.

“President-elect Biden gave me a commitment that Article 5 of the US-Japan security treaty applies to the Senkaku Islands,” said a delighted Suga. And what does Article V commit us to?

“Each Party recognizes that an armed attack against either Party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger…”

Message: The U.S. will treat a Chinese attempt to take the Senkakus, tiny rocky outcroppings in the East China Sea, as an attack on the USA, and America will fight China to secure Japan’s right to keep the islands.

Biden has removed any ambiguity that may have existed and given Tokyo a U.S. war guarantee that covers the Senkakus.

The response of China’s foreign ministry was to angrily lay claim to the islands they call the Diaoyus as “inherently Chinese” and to dismiss the U.S.-Japan security treaty as a “product of the Cold War.”

This diplomatic clash comes as Henry Kissinger was warning the Bloomberg Economic Forum: “America and China are now drifting increasingly toward confrontation, and they’re conducting their diplomacy in a confrontational way. … The danger is that some crisis will occur that will go beyond rhetoric into actual military conflict.”

Kissinger continued: “Unless there is some basis for some cooperative action, the world will slide into a catastrophe comparable to World War I.”

World War I was the worst calamity in Western civilization — until the next war to which it led inexorably: World War II.

Last week, we also learned that during Chinese military exercises in August, the People’s Liberation Army fired two missiles thousands of kilometers from the mainland that struck a targeted merchant ship sailing in the South China Sea. The missiles were the DF-21D and DF-26B.

Both missiles are known as “aircraft carrier killers.”

The U.S. routinely moves its carriers through these waters to underscore our contention that neither the South China Sea nor the Paracel and Spratly Islands within belong to China as Beijing claims.

Consistent with China’s toughening policies toward its neighbors, four members of the opposition in the Hong Kong legislature were ousted last week, which led to wholesale resignations that have left Hong Kong’s governing council under the total control of pro-Beijing hardliners.

ORDER IT NOW

The era of “one country, two systems” for Hong Kong, dating to the transfer of sovereignty by Great Britain, appears to be over. The dissidents and demonstrators who filled the streets just months ago appear to have been routed, and the city’s future looks less like the Hong Kong of yesterday than the Beijing of tomorrow.

These actions are consistent with the hard lines Beijing has taken on its “reeducation camps” for Uighurs in Xinjiang and its border dispute with India in the Himalayas.

While Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has lately sought to round up like-minded nations to stand up to China — Japan, Australia, India — there appears to be a reluctance, rooted in uncertainty as to whether Communist China or democratic America represents the future of Asia.

Trump’s “America First” policy asked the most basic of questions:

Are all these half-century old alliances, these commitments to go to war for Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines, as in Joe Biden’s estimation, assets to be nurtured and even expanded to cover more territories like the Senkakus? Or are they liabilities that could drag us into wars the American people do not want to fight?

While we reject China’s claim to all the reefs, rocks and islets in the South China Sea and her claim to the Senkakus in the East China Sea, should we be obligated to go to war over these tiny parcels of land, especially when their legitimate owners are unwilling to fight for them?

Biden repudiates an “America First” foreign policy that puts U.S. security, sovereignty, liberty and vital interests above the interests of any other nation.

But what is it, then, that Biden puts first?

Globalism. A New World Order. A Crusade for Global Democracy.

Been there, done that.

Sixty years ago when Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy faced off, the foreign policy debate was over whether the U.S. should fight Mao’s China to defend the tiny offshore islands of Quemoy and Matsu.

Kennedy thought not. Kennedy won.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. China plans to double it’s nuclear warheads and ICBM count in the coming years.

    I wonder if USA is willing to go to nuclear war for those rocks 🤣

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Richard B
  2. Dictatorships can be unstoppably expansionist. Islam is an example. 57(?) nations conquered in 1400 years.

    Without resistance, China will take all South China Sea Islets from Japan, Philippines, etc.

    They are in the process of taking Hong Kong, Macau. Taiwan will, inevitably follow. Maybe they survive a few more decades.

    The US is in decay, militarily, and economically. The US is dedicated to reparations for Blacks, quota jobs for women and Blacks, and welfare and guaranteed minimum income.

    China will win the war with the USA without ever firing a single shot. China has patience. Wait a few more decades until the US has broken down completely.

    Is there any place for optimism? Trump, maybe?

  3. On a much smaller scale, but with a similar inherent danger, Biden reminds me a little of Chamberlain & Poland circa 1939. Both were/are unnecessary, provocative undertakings.
    Its interesting how the establishment can reiterate ad nauseam China how has done this, & done that — yet never mention the very public, on going “pivot to Asia” that has been aimed directly at China. Sanctions. Direct attacks on Chinese Elites (& Corp’s) .The movement of significant military resources into the area. The attempt to organise anti-China diplomatic alignments of china’s nearer neighbors…
    Well, that’s propaganda for you….

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @anonymous1963
    , @Derer
  4. Writing from a recipe.

    1. Remind readers that the Washington foe and its rulers are the guys in the black hats, doing bad things to innocent people and creating dilemmas for those wearing white with no competing ambitions other than peace and democracy:

    The dissidents and demonstrators who filled the streets just months ago appear to have been routed, and the city’s future looks less like the Hong Kong of yesterday than the Beijing of tomorrow.

    These actions are consistent with the hard lines Beijing has taken on its “reeducation camps” for Uighurs in Xinjiang and its border dispute with India in the Himalayas.

    While Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has lately sought to round up like-minded nations to stand up to China — Japan, Australia, India — there appears to be a reluctance, rooted in uncertainty as to whether Communist China or democratic America represents the future of Asia.

    2. Work in some pronoun propaganda, more presumed truth about the context of the column, and appeals to courage:

    While we reject China’s claim to all the reefs, rocks and islets in the South China Sea and her claim to the Senkakus in the East China Sea, should we be obligated to go to war over these tiny parcels of land, especially when their legitimate owners are unwilling to fight for them?

    3. Dashes and sprinkles of the same when suggesting that these are questions meaningfully subject to Beltway politics:

    Or are they liabilities that could drag us into wars the American people do not want to fight?

    ***

    Sixty years ago when Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy faced off, the foreign policy debate was over whether the U.S. should fight Mao’s China to defend the tiny offshore islands of Quemoy and Matsu.

    Kennedy thought not. Kennedy won.

    Proportions change with the enemy — China, Iran, Russia, Syria, Venezuela — but the same ingredients are used to make the whitewash for Uncle Sam’s attempt to run as much of the world as possible from Washington, and to destroy what he can’t.

    That any of this is subject to the latest Most Important Election Ever is a joke. (Even Mr. Buchanan had to mention in his October 30 column that “foreign policy [was the] lost issue of the campaign of 2020.”) The Establishment just needs enough people voting Red v Blue to keep things unchanged.

  5. @Astuteobservor II

    Those rocks would just be the excuse.

    A war with China depends on how the US corporatocracy with facilities in China is treated by the Chinese. If the corporations aren’t upset with China, then there will be no war. If the corporations think they’re getting a bad deal, then war is more likely.

    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
    General Smedley Butler (Usmc, Ret.)

  6. The drift toward war with China is not inevitable. It is the product of the Old West gunslinger mentality that “this town ain’t big enough for the two of us, podner!” This time the town is the world, and the guy wearing the black hat is any nation that dares to assert its national sovereignty. The world is plenty big enough for everyone – but there is an additional complicating factor. Any economic system that is not unregulated capitalism is a mortal danger to the Empire. When it succeeds, as China has, it shows Americans how flawed the system is that they live under, and its days are numbered.

    There is another eerie parallel to the media hate campaign against Germany and Japan that led to the Second World War. The New Deal wasn’t working, the economy was in ruins, millions were in the streets demanding bread and justice. Giving a war was the best means to silence them. Provoking a foreign “enemy” into striking first gave America’s rulers the hammer with which to crush domestic dissent. Pretending an all-out war effort was necessary because these far smaller nations were planning to enslave us was the perfect means of reasserting control over a people on the brink of rebellion.

    Let us pray that Biden is no FDR.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  7. Japan still has no peace treaty with USSR –today’s Russia and are likewise whining about some islands.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  8. KlcTan says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    You wrote ” hey are in the process of taking Hong Kong, Macau. Taiwan will, inevitably follow. Maybe they survive a few more decades.”

    Your statement reflects your ignorance . These places are part of China.

    • Agree: showmethereal, dfordoom
  9. bob sykes says:

    “Consistent with China’s toughening policies toward its neighbors,…”

    “While Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has lately sought to round up like-minded nations to stand up to China …”

    This is just theater, and bad theater at that. Last Sunday, sixteen Asian countries signed the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership ( RCEP): Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, and Vietnam.

    Note who is missing: India and the US.

    Note who is in, five American allies: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea. Two of them are part of the Five Eyes.

    Japan, South Korea and China are pursuing further talks within the RCEP framework to further integrate their economies.

    The competition between the US and China is over, and China won hands down. Even our allies recognize that, and they are joining up with China. Our military forces in the area are pointless. At best, they are a nuisance and embarrassment to the host countries, at worst a threat to them. If push came to shove South Korea, Japan, and Singapore would intern our troops and put them under house arrest.

    The new island chain runs through Hawaii, New Zealand, and Australia, and the last two are dubious.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  10. Realist says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    They are in the process of taking Hong Kong, Macau. Taiwan will, inevitably follow. Maybe they survive a few more decades.

    Those are Chinese territories taken from China through colonization.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  11. As mankind moves closer to world war, all foreign policy needs to be premised on avoiding that global catastrophe. As it is we continue to follow the disastrous pattern of history.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  12. Realist says:
    @Greta Handel

    The Establishment just needs enough people voting Red v Blue to keep things unchanged.

    Voting plays no party in the power structure of this country.

    • Replies: @Realist
  13. Dear China,

    If you do attack the USA, please aim your missiles at those parts of America that are tinted blue on the 2020 map of presidential election results by county.

    Thank you in advance.

    Sincerely,

    Flyover Speck

  14. Realist says:

    All this Biden’s policyBiden saysBiden’s estimationBiden promised is all bullshit. The guy is goddamn brain dead, it takes all he’s got to keep from pissing his pants.

    • Replies: @Tdstype2
  15. “While we reject China’s claim to all the reefs, rocks and islets in the South China Sea and her claim to the Senkakus in the East China Sea, ”

    But that is a lie. When China was governed as the Republic of China – the US absolutely agreed that the islands in the South China Sea were Chinese. The US gave the ROC under Chiang Kai Shek the ships to survey the sea and draw an 11 dash line. It also provided the ships to seize Taiping Island – which is the largest natural island in the sea. It also was in control of Japan – which Japan relinquished claims to all islands in the South China Sea to the ROC in the Treaty of Taipei. The US was firmly on board. It only changed it’s tune when Chiang and the ROC were run off to the island of Taiwan and could not retake the mainland of China.

    Such as it is with the Diayou/Senkaku. Like the Treaty of Taipei – the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations stated Japan had to return all lands she took by force from others – and specifically China. Those little rocks are a LOOONNNGGG way from the main Japanese islands. They were governed as part of Taiwan. Japan seized the islands when it seized Taiwan from China in 1895. Mr. Buchanan – are you unaware of that history or are you just towing the line??

    The question should be – if the US didn’t want to try to start wars – why WAY DOWN in the 1970’s did it give “administration” of the Diayou/Senkaku islands to Japan…??? It upset the KMT in Taiwan also because it showed complete disrespect to them since the ROC in Taiwan still claims the islands. The pitiful DPP shuts up in the hopes of not offending the US and Japan – but that is only in the past few years

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  16. A123 says:

    The CCP Elites botched the assimilation of Hong Kong. Over 20 years have passed, and the highly visible failure is still a running issue. Xi can accurately blame 90%+ of the problem on his incompetent predecessors, so there is limited loss of face for the current regime. However, it is a near daily problem that consumes significant time & attention.

    Having to deal with the HK fiasco makes any near term move against Taiwan very unappealing. There is no workable strategy for the CCP Elites to assimilate the Taiwanese people after an invasion and takeover. Xi understands this and does not want to lose face as the Failed Leader who created the Taiwan Catastrophe.

    Without a casus belli, the issue of Taiwan can easily be deferred for another generation. Taiwan simply has to avoid doing anything so provocative that the CCP Elites feel they must respond with force. Neither side has anything to gain by escalating.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Troll: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  17. @GomezAdddams

    Yes Russia still holds on to Kuril – and rightfully so. That was the price of Japan losing WW2. By terms of surrender she was supposed to surrender all her territories she won by aggression. The islands in question in this article fit the same bill..

  18. @bob sykes

    Indeed… Though don’t let Singaporeans hear you say they are a US ally. They are fiercely independent in their national policies. The founder Lee Kwan Yew stated that by virtue of being a former British colony – they leaned a little more western – Singapore is fiercely independent. So in practical terms now – they work with the US in defense – but economically they are much more tied to China.

  19. Rurik says:
    @Greta Handel

    Proportions change with the enemy — China, Iran, Russia, Syria, Venezuela — but the same ingredients are used to make the whitewash for Uncle Sam’s attempt to run as much of the world as possible from Washington, and to destroy what he can’t.

    Uncle Sam has been the bankster’s bitch since 1913

    Just look at how the value of the dollar has collapsed like Building Seven since ‘we’ instituted the Fed.

    It may make extremely little difference between which Tweedle Dee or Dumb occupies the White House, (with the exception of Trump, who wasn’t part of the club), but no matter which, we’re going to get wars for Zion internationally, and a war on Heritage America domestically.

    So you’re right about the pronoun palaver.

    It hasn’t been we or us in this nation for over a hundred years.

    Woodrow saw to that.

    Anyone who’s been under the delusion that Uncle Sam has our backs, surely by now must know the score. The only thing Uncle Sam has at our backs is a dagger, being quantatively eased in, so we don’t feel it too much.

    But what is it, then, that Biden puts first?

    Globalism. A New World Order. A Crusade for Global Democracy.

    those things sure

    But so much more!

    “I would like to start with congratulations for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I have a long and warm personal connection with Joe Biden for nearly 40 years, and I know him as a great friend of the State of Israel. I am certain that we will continue to work with both of them in order to further strengthen the special alliance between Israel and the US,” Netanyahu said.

    What they’re going to do, is what they always do.

    Foment hatred and strife here at home and abroad, dividing our nation along racial lines, in order to create a war-like atmosphere among the people of all races and creeds, as the .01% continue to loot the Treasury and the economy, so as to force more young people into the military.

    The only people they hate more than the Palestinians, are working class Whites of America, (and Germany ; )

    Especially the straight, Southern, Christian, gun-owning, independent-minded, proud White Americans. (Nazis, in other words ; )

    And those people are about to feel the wrath of Moloch’s pent up rage for what Trump has done to them these last four years.

    The James Comeys (who declared that the Charlottesville White, male protesters were beneath contempt), and the Peter Stozks (who can smell the stinking White, working class with visceral disdain). Andrew McCabe and Hillary and Maxine and Adam and Nadler and Chucky, and BLM and Obamas and Van Jones and Don Lemons and all the rest of them. Trump and his Deplorables have put them through hell

    and like Gollum, they’re just as vindictive, scheming, covetous and unprincipled as the fictional persona, who with his ‘precious’, they too feel the same way about raw power. And wielding it over those whom have ‘wronged’ them.

    so now it’s going to be payback time

    so strap in America (and Russia and Syria and Iran…)

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Thanks: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Rurik
  20. antibeast says:

    This article must have been written after the author became drunk in an Irish pub, with too many factual inaccuracies.

    Message: The U.S. will treat a Chinese attempt to take the Senkakus, tiny rocky outcroppings in the East China Sea, as an attack on the USA, and America will fight China to secure Japan’s right to keep the islands. Biden has removed any ambiguity that may have existed and given Tokyo a U.S. war guarantee that covers the Senkakus.

    At the end of WWII, Japan renounced the Senkakus as its own territory which it had acquired as part of the Treaty of Shimonoseki following the defeat of Qing China in the First Sino-Japanese War which led to the colonization of Taiwan. The idea that the USA would recognize the Diaoyutai Islands as part of Japan would contradict the fact that the USA recognized the sovereignty of the Republic of China over Taiwan which it reclaimed from Japan after WWII. Well, guess what? Those Diaoyutai islands were administered from Taiwan under Qing China before being colonized by Japan.

    On the other hand, Japan claims the Kuril Islands next to Hokkaido as its own territory which was annexed by the USSR after WWII. No peace treaty has been signed between Russia (the successor State of the USSR) and Japan covering the Kuril Islands. Here’s a map showing who are the closest neighbors of Japan:

    Is Biden willing to invoke Article V to help recover the Kuril Islands from Russia, the country closest to Japan? If not, then all this anti-China talk is just another marketing gimmick to justify the bloated budget of the Pentagon.

    The U.S. routinely moves its carriers through these waters to underscore our contention that neither the South China Sea nor the Paracel and Spratly Islands within belong to China as Beijing claims.

    The official explanation for USA sailing its aircraft carriers in the SCS is that it is conducting FONOPs but the reality is the the USA wants to show the world that it does not recognize UNCLOS which grants a 200-nm EEZ to coastal nations such as the ASEAN countries. Those FONOPs has absolutely nothing to do with the territorial disputes involving the Spratly and Paracel Islands in the SCS. None whatsoever. Nada.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  21. @Observator

    Good points.
    As for Biden being an FDR, Nixon, in an interview with Buchanan, said FDR was one of best political operatives of the 20th century in being able to manipulate circumstances. If Biden ever was close to an FDR, he isn’t these days. Biden can’t remember that his granddaughter isn’t his dead son. All hail the new President Camel Toe Harris who will be too busy sucking Bibi’s dick to worry about China.

  22. @antibeast

    Correct… Aside from that – the US is not even a party to the UNCLOS. It gives one a headache to see all of this folly.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  23. d dan says:

    Last week, we also learned that during Chinese military exercises in August, the People’s Liberation Army fired two missiles thousands of kilometers from the mainland that struck a targeted merchant ship sailing in the South China Sea. The missiles were the DF-21D and DF-26B.

    I want to update the readers about the background of the above incident and the latest development happened just 2 days ago.

    On Aug 25, China was conducting LIVE naval exercise in South China Sea near the Hainan province. In accordance to international practice, China announced ahead of the time, the airspace that would be temporarily closed. In defiance to the Chinese announcement, US sent an U-2 spy plane into the region while the live exercise was on-going. The Chinese protested but US claimed that it had the “freedom” as it is in international water. In response, a few days later, China tested the DF-21D and DF-26B missiles into South China Sea with moving ship. This time, it was US that protested, claiming that was a dangerous maneuver by China.

    Just 2 days ago, China conducted another exercise in several coastal seas. This time, US sent two B1B bombers into China’s Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in East China Sea. This was a further escalation of tit-for-tat because:
    1. B1B has the biggest payload of any bomber.
    2. Unlike the U-2 spy plane, the pair of non-stealth bombers had no practical purpose of collecting intelligence. So, they served only as a blunt warning to China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3110262/us-bombers-enter-chinas-adiz-pla-navy-mounts-massive-exercises

    So, is the US military actively looking for an “accident” or another Gulf of Tonkin incident in Asia (in addition to Middle East)? Were the above flights authorized by Trump or by who? Looks like we have some very out-of-control decision makers in Washington.

  24. @A123

    After reading this, the CCP should invade as soon as possible. If a Zionist is against it, that means it is a must to invade as soon as possible.

    A little history lesson for you. The Chinese civil war never ended. Officially, the mainland and Taiwan is still at war.

    • Replies: @A123
  25. A123 says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    If a Zionist is against it, that means it is a must to invade as soon as possible

    Your spell check has a problem. Let me Fix That For You:

    If an Ayatollah is against it, that means you must do it as soon as possible.

    Much better.

    A little history lesson for you. The Chinese civil war never ended. Officially, the mainland and Taiwan is still at war.

    A little REALITY lesson for you. In the real world, The War is Over when the Dying Stops.

    Paper only has power in your fantabulous UN-worshipping myth space. And, those Paper myths are fragile & problematic. How well did your Paper Peacekeepers do in Srebrenica?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  26. I don’t understand the obsession over these pointless islands to include Taiwan, Macau, and Hong Kong. If they are taken they can be retaken. The test is not being able to invade but having the capacity to hold them. By then there would be no need to actually do it. What China lacks is a functioning navy and sufficient nuclear weapons to contend with its military rivals in Russia and the US. They need to up their nuclear arms to at least parity with Russia. And Russia is the key here. By the end of 2100 Siberia will be much needed lebensraum for the Chinese if they can make it in one piece until then. The objective of the US will be of course to balkanize China to produce numerous subservient states that can present no actual threat in the region and still have the holding power to distract Russia.

    • LOL: Erebus
  27. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    China recently promulgated a draft proposal to allow its coast guard to use an upgraded level of force. Japan also. And the USCG is increasing its deployments to the area. This emphasis by all parties upon their CGs is very positive to me in terms of evidence that no one wants to risk war. With CGs you show “presence “without using warships. The worst-case scenario is that one ship rams another or that a few small-arms exchanges occur. The most belligerent blog comments I have read is that the USMC might deploy a squad of Marines on a cutter. My hope that US inter-service rivalries do not force an escalation of this perfect state of affairs.

  28. @SINCERITY.net

    I don’t see how China taking any or all of the areas you mention is anymore a threat to America then it is to Mexico or any other country in the Americas.

  29. @animalogic

    The pledge to Poland was an act of total insanity, both for the British for making it and the equally brain dead Poles for actually believing in it.

    • Agree: acementhead
  30. Derer says:
    @animalogic

    What sanctions, China hold so much $US reserves that can make US economy very miserable. Everything around you is made in China and you cannot change that by feeble sanctions.

  31. Incitatus says:

    “Beijing Sends Biden a Warning”

    Do you mean Beijing (unlike Trump, the GOP, chinless Mitch and countless other spineless Republicans) had the audacity to recognize Biden as President-elect? Is that what you mean, Pat?

    Indeed, the GOP is all akimbo in obvious electoral failure [who would have thought it after they followed a president who paid off porn stars and bragged about sexual assault (‘they let you do it’)?].

    Yes, by all means Pat, stir the pot – even when obviously fatuous. Wasn’t it you and Dick Nixon that empowered China in 1972? Tell us about that.

    If “I’m not a crook” Dick Nixon and you didn’t suck-up to Chinese Commies, would we have this problem?

    PS. How are things in DC? Your driveway painted BLM yet?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  32. Sean says:

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/north-korea-why-trump-should-kims-feet-to-the-fire/

    A second reason why this should top Trump’s agenda is that the North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy. Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington’s style on international trade,[…] It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.

    Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.

    The Japs and SK playing the US for a fool, pretending to be afraid of China. Similar to the way that China is pretending to not be pulling the strings of NK. It is all about East Asian access to the US home market.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. Derer says:
    @another one

    What China lacks is a functioning navy and sufficient nuclear weapons to contend with its military rivals in Russia and the US.

    China is not military rival with Russia but a cooperating ally. What would Chinese do in Siberia, tobogganing? BTW, why is US power afraid to take on N.Korea provocations, the answer is obvious because of China’s might.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  34. @showmethereal

    The question should be – if the US didn’t want to try to start wars – why WAY DOWN in the 1970’s did it give “administration” of the Diayou/Senkaku islands to Japan…???

    I suspect that calculation had something to do with the then-ongoing Cold War…in which Japan was a major strategic ally, and Taiwan was not.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  35. @another one

    What China lacks is a functioning navy and sufficient nuclear weapons to contend with its military rivals in Russia and the US.

    China has the world’s largest navy (and that’s excluding its PLAN-networked merchant marine of 220,000 oceangoing vessels) and its ships–more modern than ours–are equipped with more powerful weapons. We are no match for them in the West Pacific.

    As to not having enough nukes, they have enough to wipe out every city in the US in the first 52 minutes of a shooting war. That’s sufficient.

  36. @A123

    Jeez, talk about a deranged Zionist. That will teach me, I fed a retarded Zionist troll.

    You brought up casus belli, retard. Remember that? It is right there in your last troll attempt. At least learn to troll better.

    You really should learn from woo.

    • Replies: @A123
  37. @Derer

    Just another retarded troll thinking he can stir up Russia vs China by using Siberia.

    The only way for Russia to break away from China in the near future is for the west to pray for a stupid successor after Putin. A second version of either Yeltsin or Gorbachev.

  38. @Incitatus

    I doubt Buchanan writes these. Ron at some point mentioned that these might be the handiwork of his interns.

  39. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Correct… Aside from that – the US is not even a party to the UNCLOS. It gives one a headache to see all of this folly.

    China does not claim the SCS as its own “territorial seas” which is prohibited under UNCLOS of which it is a signatory. China’s so-called “nine-dash-line” claim — derived from the so-called “eleven-dash-line” claim of the ROC — is merely a reference point to assert its “historic rights” to the SCS which it defines as territorial sovereignty over the islands in the SCS plus any maritime rights granted thereto under UNCLOS.

    China’s submissions to UNCLOS make its position clear enough that anybody can ascertain the facts of the case which is being distorted by the Western media and the US Deep State in order to allow the US military to ignore UNCLOS as it sails its aircraft carriers through the SCS. The USA is not a signatory to UNCLOS because it would need permission from coastal nations to conduct military exercises within the 200-nm EEZs provided under UNCLOS. That’s the rationale behind the FONOPs, ostensibly to deter alleged Chinese aggression in the SCS, even though Vietnam and the Philippines occupies most of the islands while Taiwan occupies the largest island in the Spratlys.

    China, on the other hand, is willing to sit down and negotiate in good faith with coastal nations on delimiting maritime rights within the disputed Spratly Islands under the legal framework of UNCLOS. If the negotiated outcome is a peaceful settlement of all the maritime claims under UNCLOS which would be legally binding on all parties to the Spratly Islands dispute, then the USA would find itself boxed in by such a legal settlement which would now apply to all third-parties as well, a prospect which would limit its power projection ability not just in the SCS but all over the world.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  40. Tdstype2 says:
    @Realist

    You are realist all right

  41. antibeast says:
    @another one

    By the end of 2100 Siberia will be much needed lebensraum for the Chinese if they can make it in one piece until then.

    Siberia? There’s a reason why Stalin set up the Gulags in Siberia:

    IT’S FREEZING COLD!!!

    Besides, Siberia acts a buffer between China and the USA in the same way that Canada acts a buffer between Russia and the USA. Any ICBMs headed to China from the USA would have to pass through Siberia in the same way that any ICBMs headed to the USA from Russia would have to pass through Canada. That’s why Norad is in Canada while China is working with Russia to build a common ballistic missile-warning system.

  42. A123 says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You ducked the question.

    Paper only has power in your fantabulous UN-worshipping myth space. And, those Paper myths are fragile & problematic.

    How well did your Paper Peacekeepers do in Srebrenica?

    If your “Paper Peace” is more important than what I factually show as Real Peace… Please explain the effectiveness of your Paper Peacekeepers in Srebrenica?

    You brought up casus belli

    I did. And, in terms of Real Peace there is no casus belli between PRC and ROC.

    Only in your fake & fantabulous, UN endorsed, “Paper Peace” is there such a thing. And, no sane nation is willing to spend the lives of its children on delusional “Paper Peace” that is not Real Peace.

    I am sorry that you are detached from reality…. But that is your personal problem….

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  43. I am not here to incite anything or anyone but only because it is practically the only forum on the internet where anyone has any sense. So it heartens me just to receive a reply when in the other two pertinent threads that are yet active they are patting themselves on the back about how they predicted Chinese supremacy decades ago in their juvenile years while ignoring my not irrelevant concerns about practically the only parameter that has mattered throughout history: military power. It pains me that the only replies I have directly or indirectly received thus far are only emotionally fraught rejoinders about what are still assumptions at best. Firstly any assessment of Chinese military power must be appropriately discounted by the lack of field data about their actual performance. E.G. Song-Yuan, Qing, Republican China all prove that a merely superficial assessment of its military capacity is dead wrong. By the numbers China should have run roughshod over Asia and the world long ago. Secondly the Internet is now replete with foolish remarks claiming any statement that is not within the confines of common expectations among any particular ideological spur are the work of shills who apparently argue with relative intellectual titans at prices per word far below market wage for even writing up gobbledygook that is documentation for mass-produced goods. By itself it is already farcical, then you realize that anybody who is apt to be influenced by such discourses and who can in turn exert influence are virtually nonexistent. Most such works are usually and logically produced by individuals driven by ego rather than economy and find no solace in it all the same. Thirdly on the subject of nuclear weapons the same principle as the first applies. That being, there is no way to actually know the effectiveness of the arsenals at present in camera since by nature much of what we are told and know must necessarily be lies, obfuscations, and diversions. We are to assume that the only reason nuclear conflagration of the entire world has not occurred is because of some simple game theoretic result that balances billions of tons of warheads on the tip of the proverbial scale. Why then has China come out unscathed when projections are that they must necessarily overrun the world? Because they are alternately and simultaneously protected by both Russian and US nuclear umbrellas? Or that their untested warheads are sufficient to destroy either country or both? Is an estimated 300 strategic nuclear weapons sufficient to cover all scenarios when the other parties must then inexplicably hold thousands? The very idea is nothing more than a fishy story. So we must make assumptions and presumptions at will according to how we feel about it on any given day. Now lastly there is the problem of how people feel about “China” and “America” and this and that that people inevitably hold of highest importance as emotional and social animals on this site no exception. So any statement you make is colored by that according to how it makes us feel and how it will make others feel. Thus you have assertions that trolls are out to make people feel this and that about the other. Obviously the rational decision makers we presume to exist are not concerned with what statements are being made here or their contents. How we feel is in the end the most important thing. Regarding China any alarmism is already much delayed in the modern era. Wilhelm II’s vision of the ‘gelbe Gefahr’ and any atavisms of the Hunnic invasions, and indeed the absence of Yamnayan-Aryan influence from the far reach of Eurasia, must necessarily predate any bad press that is received at present in very distilled and abstract form on this site from shills and skeptics against the ‘Sinotriumph’ vaunted by many and only pooh-poohed by few. For what it’s worth any damage that could be done to such an image could easily be undone by the proscriptions of canid consumption and panetography promulgation that you can easily see for yourself in more unsavory venues. The state of the Chinese fleet is not so visible.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  44. For that matter, as China and Russia adjoin each other and military and economic power are to some extent interconvertible, it is obvious that they are military rivals and adversary in the scheme of things. If “America” were to fall and never get up again I don’t think these two would somehow get married and form a personal union, do you? Similarly Russia and the US must think of a world where China ceases to be a problem for them and anyone else. Are they then to usher in the end of history as some have called it? So China must think of a world where it can go up or down or left or right. Japan, Korea, Taiwan and other such fascinating figures would then be nothing more than little polities. Invasions of these barren outcroppings would be no more interesting than collecting the bin and worth about as much for your gratification. Siberia as untamed Asian patrimony must then be a new frontier for visionaries and pioneers if China has then produced any. Bioterraforming and the defrosting of the planet would make for great coastal fishing and new plains for the Chinese manifestation of destiny. You are to presume in this brave new world that the proud Chinese are still such small of heart that they would not see it? What we see now is like what some fool 1000 years ago saw in his future, and we will be that same fool only 100 years hence. Time is beautiful isn’t it?

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  45. antibeast says:
    @another one

    By the end of 2100 Siberia will be much needed lebensraum for the Chinese if they can make it in one piece until then.

    By 2100, China’s population will drop by HALF to around 750M, as shown in the graph below (in red):

  46. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The Japs and SK playing the US for a fool, pretending to be afraid of China. Similar to the way that China is pretending to not be pulling the strings of NK. It is all about East Asian access to the US home market.

    Whether the Japs and SK are afraid of China is immaterial to US strategy to contain China and use Japan and SK to do so.

    The current Leftist Moon Jae-in administration in SK does not hide being friendly towards China and seeking better relations with China. It doesn’t pretend to be afraid of China; it actively courts it. The SK Left is traditionally quite explicit about being anti-US and pro-NK. The US government is not that supportive of Moon and preferred the more traditionally pro-US previous Park administration.

    Yukio Hatoyama was PM of Japan back in 2010 for just a year. He was a member of the Democratic Party of Japan, which is an opposition party to the main US-aligned Liberal Democratic Party of Japan (LDP) that has basically installed by the US after WW2 to dominate Japanese politics as a pro-US client regime. Hatoyama’s tenure was short lived in part because he pissed off the US by seeking warmer relations with China and promised to remove US military bases from Okinawa. Shortly thereafter in 2012, traditional pro-US LDP stalwart Shinzo Abe became PM and aligned Japan in the traditional pro-US, anti-China direction.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Sean
  47. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read…Voting plays no part in…

  48. With what appears to be a successful coop by the U.S. and Western globalist(another word for communist) elite, one major lesson needs to be kept in mind by Americans who have witnessed the events of the last four years about the U.S. establishment media and indeed, most of the Western worlds establishment media’s. THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME ELITE THAT HELPED TO OUST PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FROM OFFICE. Sorry, but this needs caps. It’s too important.

    The U.S. media will now continue on and create fantasy stories about “why” President Trump “lost” the election and the lessons we Americans must learn from his presidency and how it relates to us. They will make up many stories and narratives about how Americans have failed in electing this president to begin with. They will work to create guilt and more guilt towards those who supported Trump. Yet, none of it will work, because the media itself opened pandora’s box in how they showed their vile hatred towards this president and how they started the process of removing him from office, even before he spent a single day in office. They made up false narratives on Russian Collusion, then failing that they went on to other lies and fabrications. Those did not work either.

    But what is the single biggest and most important lesson Americans need to learn as the establishment media moves on and continues to “analyze” for the public, the lessons we need to learn about Trump? The lesson is this-, THE U.S. ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA, “IS’ PART OF THE ELITE THAT WAS USED TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT. THEY CAN’T BE TRUSTED ON ANYTHING THEY REPORT ANY LONGER. That’s the lesson. Fail to learn it at your own risk, because the lies and confusion will never end that this media will continue to create

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  49. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Whether the Japs and SK are afraid of China is immaterial to US strategy to contain China and use Japan and SK to do so

    “Strategy” would be a long term total solution, and how could that not include a realistic calculation of the essential component of military potential that the relative power of a Chinese economy in a generation may represent? Unless, the geniuses are assuming that the Chinese can only gain on the US by growing the population of China in relation to that of the US, and because the US will remain the world’s fourth most populous country while scalping the cream of other countries through immigration into the US of talented people from all over the world, America will stay ahead.

    Rich but not spending proportionately on their own defence, South Korea and Japan sell microprocessors to China. Japan and Germany (former Axis powers) sell capital goods for making microprocessors to China, and Chinese microprocessors have been found in North Korean ICBMs recovered from the sea. The gold standard for microprocessors manufacture is the Japanese, and they have the world’s fastest supercomputer, one day China–do anything Nippon can–will supplant Japan in this. Japan has a world lead in robotics, and China is going to at some point in the future. It is most obvious what is going on with South Korea, which told Trump that restrictions on semiconductor sales to Huawei and other Chinese companies are “unacceptable”.

    The brilliant minds formulating the American plan for containing China are taking the USSR as a model, but Muscovy had always been militarily powerful and backward so there is no real parallel with China which has been the opposite. Historically, China has been the source of epidemics (Antonine plague that began the decline of Rome, 1918 influenza ) and original inventions (papermaking, gunpowder, printing and the compass). China is quite clearly not preparing for war, their main effort is in making their economy more powerful and technologically advanced until it reaches a point where no one can challenge them. So containment by sailing about the South China Sea and having US forces in a ring of bases around China is putting all the US effort into countering what is not the Chinese master plan’s centre of gravity.

    It looked like a two term Trump was going to reverse the US military spending and economic self sacrifice that the honour of defending greedy free world freeloaders Japan, Taiwan and South Korea entailed. The money saved could have been used to upgrade the US population through training, and spent on the kind of government funded research Bell Labs once did to give the US those huge advantages in advanced technology that it has enjoyed, but are inexorably disappearing. Big business in the US is all about shareholder value not R& D, and they want in on the Chinese home market. Biden has repeatedly said China is neither a threat or competing with the US. There is only one way things can go now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  50. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    “Strategy” would be a long term total solution, and how could that not include a realistic calculation of the essential component of military potential that the relative power of a Chinese economy in a generation may represent?

    You seem to be suggesting that the US has no strategic interest in placing its military bases and assets in East Asia and the Pacific as part of a broader strategy to surround and contain China, and that the only reason it does so is because Japan, SK et al pretend to be afraid of China. This is just factually incorrect, as I pointed out above. There are Jap and SK politicians and administrations that don’t pretend to be afraid of China but explicitly seek better relations with it. The current Moon administration in SK, for example. Moon suspended the deployment of the THAAD missile defense system in SK aimed at China, irking the US in the process. THAAD had been rushed in by the US just as the previous pro-US SK admin was leaving office right before the more China friendly Moon was coming to power. The THAAD deployment angered Beijing, and Moon was against it as a result.

    So containment by sailing about the South China Sea and having US forces in a ring of bases around China is putting all the US effort into countering what is not the Chinese master plan’s centre of gravity.

    I don’t see how these are mutually exclusive. All the China hawks who promote tariffs and protectionism and the US industrial base also support US military spending, expansion, and assertion in the Asia-Pacific and South China Sea. Furthermore, challenging China economically can’t be separated from challenging it militarily, as China depends on access to the sea for the energy and trade necessary for its economy.

    It looked like a two term Trump was going to reverse the US military spending and economic self sacrifice that the honour of defending greedy free world freeloaders Japan, Taiwan and South Korea entailed. The money saved could have been used to upgrade the US population through training, and spent on the kind of government funded research Bell Labs once did to give the US those huge advantages in advanced technology that it has enjoyed, but are inexorably disappearing.

    Trump increased military spending and never promised to reduce it. In fact, it was declining slightly in the Obama years. Trump campaigned on increasing military spending. He explicitly campaigned on increasing the Navy’s size to 355 ships. The point of all those ships would be to sail around the Asia-Pacific and be used against China, not to cruise around the Gulf of Mexico or something.

    As you’ve pointed out before in previous comments, the US strategic aim is to prevent Chinese regional hegemony. Therefore, it is not “defending” Japan, Taiwan, SK as such, countries which are naturally within and inclined towards China’s sphere of influence. They are geographical pieces, landbridges ultimately for the US contesting China.

    • Replies: @Sean
  51. augusto says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    huh, I feel so sorry for dear poor Americans.
    The half fake fact that they “are dedicated to reparations to blacks, jobs for women”… and the horrible worry on ‘mininum income”… is the c.a.u.s.e of their decay. (I m being ironic, please)

    The historic fact that Europe has already DONE most of those actions some 60 years ago which has boosted European societies to highest ever standards of living -quite the opposite of decay.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  52. @A123

    What a fucking retard.

    Duck the fucking question? Take away USA, China will instantly resume the war. Which is why the moment China build up enough of its navy, Taiwan is fucked. And just FYI, China already has enough. My prediction was before 2030, I am shortening it to 2025.

    Geez, you are one stupid zionist troll?

    Paper peace? You are the troll that brought up the point of needing a justified excuse to go to war. Fucking retarded troll. Learn to troll better, you need to take a class from a fellow Jew, woo.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  53. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    You seem to be suggesting that the US has no strategic interest in placing its military bases and assets in East Asia and the Pacific as part of a broader strategy to surround and contain China, and that the only reason it does so is because Japan, SK et al pretend to be afraid of China.

    No, I just think the Japanese and SKs should be told they cannot trade with China, get protected on the cheap by America and also get favourable terms of trade to export to America.

    The THAAD deployment angered Beijing, and Moon was against it as a result.

    If South Korea told the US forces to leave SK they would. The US needs to stop using American workers’ jobs to bribe South Korea to accept US protection.

    The point of all those ships would be to sail around the Asia-Pacific and be used against China. […] Furthermore, challenging China economically can’t be separated from challenging it militarily, as China depends on access to the sea for the energy and trade necessary for its economy.

    By my way of thinking. seaborne invasion of Japan by China can be deterred by powerful US Navy forces, but China has no threatening conventional invasion force of ships analogous to the USSR’s tanks. However, China’s economic sea lanes for trade cannot be interdicted in peacetime.

    As you’ve pointed out before in previous comments, the US strategic aim is to prevent Chinese regional hegemony. Therefore, it is not “defending” Japan, Taiwan, SK as such, countries which are naturally within and inclined towards China’s sphere of influence. They are geographical pieces, landbridges ultimately for the US contesting China.

    Japan and South Korea could expel the bases tomorrow, but then they would have to spend real money on their own defence. It is an equitable arrangement that those countries get defended on the cheap by the US and in return the US gets bases in them. What is not fair is them helping Huawei ECT , and also getting extracting favourable trade deals allowing their untrammelled exporting into the US. The whole meaning and tenor of Biden’s China policy is that the problem is a military deterrence one as with the Soviet Union, and the economic burn out of China is only a matter of time as with the USSR. But Soviet Russia was economically inefficient and engaged in an arms race with the US. China is different on both counts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  54. dfordoom says: • Website

    Consistent with China’s toughening policies toward its neighbors, four members of the opposition in the Hong Kong legislature were ousted last week, which led to wholesale resignations that have left Hong Kong’s governing council under the total control of pro-Beijing hardliners.

    That sounds like good news. Hong Kong is part of China. The sooner people learn to accept that the better for the people of Hong Kong.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  55. There is no such thing as a “President-elect Biden”.
    Is this the first time in history a dementia patient is claiming he’s the president when his supposed term hasn’t even started?

  56. A123 says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    AsinineOblivious #2,

    As you refuse to answer the quesion, I Accept Your SURRENDER.

    Congratulations, you have been added to Blocked Commenters list for:

    — Profanity
    — Trolling
    — Immaturity
    — Below Room Temperature IQ

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  57. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    SK and Jap politicians who push for getting US bases out are not supported or listened to by the US. Just look at the recent controversy about Trump’s attempt to remove the troops from Afghanistan and how much ire that’s generating in the US foreign policy and military establishments.

    China is the natural regional hegemon of East Asia, and Japan and South Korea would arrive at a security arrangement with China and accommodate themselves to a Chinese sphere of influence. Much the same as Canada and Mexico do vis a vis the US. Canada and Mexico don’t spend real money trying to defend themselves from the US. But Chinese regional hegemony is precisely what the US wishes to prevent, as you yourself understand from Mearsheimer, and thus the US has to “offer protection”.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Sean
  58. Chinaman says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    They are in the process of taking Hong Kong, Macau. Taiwan will, inevitably follow. Maybe they survive a few more decades.

    The US is in decay, militarily, and economically. The US is dedicated to reparations for Blacks, quota jobs for women and Blacks, and welfare and guaranteed minimum income.

    Oh please…You have no idea what you are talking about.

    China have survived for 5000 years. China have gone through the exact same process that America is going through in the process of amalgatng its population. America is a noob at this.

    It is America that won’t survive in a few decades. There is a reason Han is 90% of the Chinese population, America is ready for a purging.

  59. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    China is the natural regional hegemon of East Asia, and Japan and South Korea would arrive at a security arrangement with China and accommodate themselves to a Chinese sphere of influence. Much the same as Canada and Mexico do vis a vis the US. Canada and Mexico don’t spend real money trying to defend themselves from the US. But Chinese regional hegemony is precisely what the US wishes to prevent, as you yourself understand from Mearsheimer, and thus the US has to “offer protection”. But Chinese regional hegemony is precisely what the US wishes to prevent, as you yourself understand from Mearsheimer, and thus the US has to “offer protection”.

    The so-called “China Threat” is just an illusion concocted by the US Deep State to justify the need for US military bases in East Asia. Mearsheimer is a US Deep State agent along with Pompeo, Bolton, Obama, etc. who are beholden to serving the USA Empire which constantly seeks enemies in order to justify the need for US defense spending as well as the presence of US military bases all over the world. Obama’s “Pivot to Asia” was designed to isolate China economically by dangling the TPP to ASEAN countries as part of the Pacific Rim strategy of the USA Empire. But Trump scuttled the TPP in favor of bilateral trade treaties with Japan and South Korea while demanding that both of them should pay the USA more for defending them.

    Trump’s view that the USA is not serving its national interest by committing to defending US allies all over the world while at the same time allowing those same US allies free access to the US market is part of his “America First” brand of US nationalism. Why should the USA pay for defending Japan and South Korea in East Asia as well as Germany and Italy in Western Europe by allowing Japanese, South Korean, German and Italian companies to grab market share from US companies in the US market? Since the Fall of the Soviet Union ended the Cold War, the “national security” imperative for containing the threat of Soviet Communism no longer exists. But those Cold War structures still exist today in the form of NATO in Europe as well as US military bases in Japan and South Korea. The US Deep State is now trying to justify the continued existence of those Cold War structures by concocting the so-called “Russia Threat” or “China Threat” in Europe and Asia, respectively.

    The fact that the Cold War is over has not permeated the subconscious recesses of the US Deep State which is in a state of denial regarding the inevitable decline of the USA Empire. Trump is correct to view the so-called “Russia Threat” or “China Threat” as illusory concoctions of the US Deep State which is deeply hostile to Trump’s “America First” version of US nationalism. That’s why Trump wanted to bring US troops home, not just from Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but also from Germany, South Korea and Japan. Instead of paying for the defense of US allies who compete against US companies, Trump wants to revive US manufacturing to help US companies compete against US allies.

    But Trump lost to the US Deep State which now view Trumpism — Trump’s “America First” version of US nationalism — as the existential threat to the USA Empire. That’s the new Cold Civil War, made in the USA.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  60. @antibeast

    Helpful post. But you should have foregone or put “” around the Orwellian

    US defense spending

    for defending them

    defending US allies

    defense of US allies

    that permeates these columns of Mr. Palaverconservative.

  61. Here is a perfect example of historical context. The 1960 election was only 15 years our from the end of WWII. The veterans of pacific conflict were not going to be inclined to defend an island of f the coast of China on behalf of the Japanese who devastated the region.

    And the island in question are certainly more akin to the Chinese coastline than Japan’s. But at the moment many consider China the looming threat, so suddenly the rocks off the Chinese coast belong to Japan(?)

    Might want to look at a map

    here’s one

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=kn3%2bjLWo&id=A5A82B7F06F5C85CADA5912010C7860F64817E26&thid=OIP.kn3-jLWoNUAUjl5vgWwq7gHaE8&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.naval.com.br%2fblog%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2018%2f04%2fSenkaku-islands-map.jpg&exph=800&expw=1200&q=senkaku+islands&simid=608030523273905355&ck=A4882E7ADE98C48DB6F9803F2BB94939&selectedIndex=61&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0

    here’s another

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=WQDaJs6y&id=1B0F73835BFA88AA1238D9A61010A4A566483AE8&thid=OIP.WQDaJs6y4Qwr_4mOymOExQHaGK&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fapjjf.org%2fdata%2f2._j_.c_.t_.smap_1.gif&exph=666&expw=800&q=Senkaku+Islands+Okinawa+Map&simid=608052732510669386&ck=DBCB13452E283724DD5579AAC68FC60E&selectedIndex=1&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0

    or

    I am unclear why Japan doesn’t claim Taiwan as theirs.

  62. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    China is the natural regional hegemon of East Asia

    That cannot be right. If it were true them Xi must have been pulling the strings of North Korea and been using it to get concessions over trade with the US in return for ‘helping’ with Kim. But China can’t have given Kim those thermonuclear ICBM’s he suddenly acquired. If that were so, Kim is about to be put back in his box and Biden regarded as a genius negotiator. No, the US can’t be giving it all away to China, I disbelieve it!

    Japan and South Korea would arrive at a security arrangement with China and accommodate themselves to a Chinese sphere of influence.

    They can do that already, but haven’t because they are in the happy position of being able to play both sides against the middle. The US needs Jap, SK as allies, as Trump said “The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it. That makes the other guy smell blood, and then you’re dead.”. He would have clipped the wings of China, because he would have stopped the facilitating by selling microprocessors, capital goods ECT by SK, Japs and Germany too. Trump was a Machiavellian ideal. But like Cesare Borgia, Trump was defeated by a disease (pandemic) at the critical point in time.

    United States lieutenant general H. R. McMaster on a speech in the Great Hall Of The People on the last day of the Trump state visit to China by the Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, a trained economist.

    If anyone in the American group had any doubts about China’s view of its relationship with the United States, Li’s monologue would have removed them. He began with the observation that China, having already developed its industrial and technological base, no longer needed the United States. He dismissed U.S. concerns over unfair trade and economic practices, indicating that the U.S. role in the future global economy would merely be to provide China with raw materials, agricultural products, and energy to fuel its production…

    So Red states will be be treated well, flourish in the new order and come to accept East Asian overlordship. Blue states? Well they will just have to be ‘satisfied with less’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  63. @Servant of Gla'aki

    Yes – I know… Though Japan was not an ally but a vassal. Just a more important vassal than the ROC. By that time the US gave up hope of the ROC being able to retake mainland China and was going to be “stuck” on Taiwan.
    I was being facetious to Mr. Buchanan… But I would like those of his stature and mindset to answer that honestly.

  64. @antibeast

    Correct… The US doesn’t want the parties to resolve it among themselves… The Military industrial complex benefits from instability.

    It says nothing about “communist” Vietnam controlling the most features in the SCS – simply because it wants to divide and conquer. The mainstream media and people like Pat Buchanan act like they don’t know these things.

  65. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    They can do that already, but haven’t because they are in the happy position of being able to play both sides against the middle. The US needs Jap, SK as allies, as Trump said “The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it. That makes the other guy smell blood, and then you’re dead.”. He would have clipped the wings of China, because he would have stopped the facilitating by selling microprocessors, capital goods ECT by SK, Japs and Germany too. Trump was a Machiavellian ideal. But like Cesare Borgia, Trump was defeated by a disease (pandemic) at the critical point in time.

    Yes, that is part of it. Jap/SK are trying to maneuver themselves between the 2 superpowers.

    However, the notion that Trump would have been able to get SK, Jap, and Germany to stop trading with China without making massive concessions to them, which he seemed uninterested in and unwilling to do, is mistaken.

    So Red states will be be treated well, flourish in the new order and come to accept East Asian overlordship. Blue states? Well they will just have to be ‘satisfied with less’.

    I don’t think this is true. The Red states tend to be nationalistic. Blue state elites may be internationalist and “globalist”, but the version of globalism they like is the one in which they dominate most of the most prestigious, powerful, and remunerative sinecures, jobs, and positions, and which promote their pet social causes and interests. They will increasingly retract their globalist enthusiasm and rediscover more nationalistic tendencies if their relative status declines as a result of an increase in Chinese power and wealth.

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    , @Sean
  66. @Sean

    That is completely false. Okinawans asked for no US bases and voted for it. They were told to take a hike by Washington and Tokyo. Any Japanese leader who intimates for less US troops – they get shows the door. Japan is not in control of it’s own fate. South Korea is more so – but left wing people like Moon tend to get sabotaged.
    Also – for what reason would China have to invade Japan for anyway? They have only one issue with Japan and it is the islands referred to in this piece. Those islands are FAR FAR away from the Japanese mainland..

    • Replies: @Sean
  67. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    However, the notion that Trump would have been able to get SK, Jap, and Germany to stop trading with China without making massive concessions to them, which he seemed uninterested in and unwilling to do, is mistaken.

    That’s what happened when the West boycotted China after the USA imposed sanctions after Tiananmen. Guess what? East Asian companies then moved into China with a few Western companies following suit.

    That’s the same situation today with the West boycotting Russia after the USA imposed sanctions after Crimea. Guess what? East Asian companies have been investing in Russia with a few German companies following suit since then. Here’s a video showing Putin and Abe visiting a Mazda plant in Vladivostok:

    I don’t think this is true. The Red states tend to be nationalistic. Blue state elites may be internationalist and “globalist”, but the version of globalism they like is the one in which they dominate most of the most prestigious, powerful, and remunerative sinecures, jobs, and positions, and which promote their pet social causes and interests. They will increasingly retract their globalist enthusiasm and rediscover more nationalistic tendencies if their relative status declines as a result of an increase in Chinese power and wealth.

    Your view contradicts the economic reality of foreign-born workers being recruited en masse to staff the technical and managerial positions of hi-tech companies in Silicon Valley. India is the now biggest source of H1-B professionals to the USA, with Indians becoming CEOs of Google, Microsoft, Adobe, etc. If foreign-born workers can’t be brought in via immigration, US MNCs also have the option of outsourcing those technical and managerial jobs to foreign countries such as India. Here’s a video showing Amazon’s campus in Hyderabad which is three times larger than its main HQ in Seattle:

    I expect this trend to continue with professional jobs requiring college degrees being outsourced to foreign countries. With the advent of the Internet, anything that can be digitized and delivered online will be outsourced. So much for the liberal sinecures in Blue States.

    • Replies: @Sean
  68. @dfordoom

    That sounds like good news. Hong Kong is part of China. The sooner people learn to accept that the better for the people of Hong Kong.



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    , @Daemon
  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    You do realise that the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution happened a long time ago? A few things have happened since then. Just little things. Like China abandoning communism.

    What I love about the dissident right is that it’s always the 1950s. The evil commies are always out to get their hands on our precious bodily fluids.

  70. Daemon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s like your mind is permanently stuck in the 1960’s.

    I guess, when the only thing you know about China is pandas, great wall, Mao Zedong and Communism, everything gets filtered through those lens.

  71. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Cold war is over. Peaceful trade–on the terms so advantageous to the growth of their relative power that Trump was complaining about–is what China wants. There is no indication that China wishes to conquer or otherwise acquire control of territory in NE Asia, and so why would a second term Trump America have thought it needed to continue the financial drain entailed in keeping military forces in S.Korea and Japan especially as it is very capable of defending itself?

    However, the notion that Trump would have been able to get SK, Jap, and Germany to stop trading with China without making massive concessions to them, which he seemed uninterested in and unwilling to do, is a mistake

    The key failure was President Lyndon B. Johnson’s (the only Democratic president to take the white vote from the Republicans). Had Johnson did what white men voted for him to do and fight to win he would have called out the the reserves in a full military mobilization for a victory over communism in Vietnam, and Nixon would not have had to (in order to disengage from the Vietnam war) let the thin end of the Chinese wedge into the European dominated world system. Since then the CCP has had it all its own way geopolitically. Trump came to power when the die was cast, the odds of him turning all this around were always long. He will come to be seen as just a blip, the final convulsion of a country before a senescent president led it into second rate status.

    We don’t know he would have been successful with a second term, but Trump was at least willing to try, being in the process of demanding SK pay $5 billion a year for the US forces stationed there when he lost the election. The South Koreans are laughing, China is laughing and so is Japan. Only Xi’s running dog (North Korea) is upset with Trump losing because Xi doesn’t need them as much now. Kim’s phoney threat will freeze US policy under Biden, with Trump in power things might have gone a little differently.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. Sean says:
    @showmethereal

    Also – for what reason would China have to invade Japan for anyway?

    America has a pact with Japan (as Trump pointed out in 2015, under the terms of the agreement with Japan it’s under no obligation to help the US if it is attacked, but the US has to help Japan in similar circumstances). Far from being under threat from China, Japan is reaping huge profits from trade with it. Japan and the US are on the way out.

    Twenty two years ago President Clinton caused consternation in Japan by failing to visit there at all while on a trip that saw him spend over a week in Japan. The less committed to the defence of Japan America gets, the more Japan will have to rearm; China will see this as a threat up and up its capabilities to crush Japan, which will react by upping its own military spending. Such purely defensive escalation might end in war.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  73. Sean says:
    @antibeast

    Yes, outsourcing of everything that can be, and importation of immigrants for construction, agriculture and service jobs that can’t be is to a large extent already here. America thinks it has superior management skills that will be continue to be sought after by the Chinese after US industries have gone. All too predictable that McKinstrey ECT will be about as highly regarded in China as British business expertise is in America now.

  74. @Sean

    . “If it were true them Xi must have been pulling the strings of North Korea and been using it to get concessions over trade with the US in return for ‘helping’ with Kim. But China can’t have given Kim those thermonuclear ICBM’s he suddenly acquired.”

    Well no… North Korea developed nukes partially because it because nervous over the very good relations that developed between the PRC and South Korea. It became worried that the PRC would no longer protect it.

  75. @Sean

    “The less committed to the defence of Japan America gets, the more Japan will have to rearm; China will see this as a threat up and up its capabilities to crush Japan, which will react by upping its own military spending. Such purely defensive escalation might end in war”

    China and Japan have lived next to each other for thousands of years. A strong China has nothing to fear from Japan. The rest of Asia wants a strong China when there is a strong Japan. Japan’s pirates were notorious for centuries in China… But just that – pirates. Japan was never able to attack China like it tried with Korea centuries gone by. It wasn’t until the industrial revolution happened and the Qing dynasty fell apart that Japan was able to piggy back the European powers and attack China. But then they made an arrogant move. The European powers knew that a ground war into China would suck up far too many resources to make it worth it – so were happy with coastal towns. In a rage of madness Japan tried. Ultimately that is why it lost the Pacific… It wasn’t the atom bombs. Japan used up too many resources trying to take over mainland China. That made it vulnerable to the US. A weak China refused to surrender…. A strong China doesn’t fear Japan. Korea does… ASEAN does… But not China.

    Now yes – it is true that if the US and China get into a war then yes Japan would be in danger because Chinese missiles would want to take out the US bases in Japan and South Korea… But that’s not because of Japan really. China wouldn’t try to destroy all of Japan because of that…

  76. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    There is no indication that China wishes to conquer or otherwise acquire control of territory in NE Asia, and so why would a second term Trump America have thought it needed to continue the financial drain entailed in keeping military forces in S.Korea and Japan especially as it is very capable of defending itself?

    As someone who’s familiar with Mearsheimer and not infrequently cites him, I’m not sure why you’re playing dumb all of a sudden. China is insecure because of the US military position in Asia and the Pacific, and the US has an interest in preventing Chinese regional hegemony.

    The key failure was President Lyndon B. Johnson’s (the only Democratic president to take the white vote from the Republicans). Had Johnson did what white men voted for him to do and fight to win he would have called out the the reserves in a full military mobilization for a victory over communism in Vietnam, and Nixon would not have had to (in order to disengage from the Vietnam war) let the thin end of the Chinese wedge into the European dominated world system.

    Of course LBJ did escalate to an extent in Vietnam. And Nixon pursued “Vietnamization” of the war but at the same time dropped more bombs on Vietnam – and Cambodia, Laos – than all the bomb tonnage combined dropped during WW2. I’m not sure why you believe Westmoreland’s strategy for full mobilization would have made a significant impact. It would have invited Soviet and Chinese intervention, and led to a stalemate in Vietnam at best, like in Central Europe or the Korean peninsula. Communist Vietnam is relatively pro-US and anti-China anyway.

    We don’t know he would have been successful with a second term, but Trump was at least willing to try, being in the process of demanding SK pay $5 billion a year for the US forces stationed there when he lost the election.

    Typically, you don’t get someone to antagonize their large and powerful next door neighbor by imposing extra demands on them. If you wanted Canada and Mexico to be anti-US and host your anti-US military forces, you wouldn’t impose extra costs and demands.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  77. Sean says:

    China and Japan have lived next to each other for thousands of years

    Why would Xi or a successor with to invade Japan; well why did Kublai Khan? Back then Japan was an overpopulated and lacking natural resources or geopolitical importance and with exiled Chinese Zen monks having influence. The Chinese /Mongol invasion force, which may have approached six figures was was a D-Day landing size operation eight centuries ago and across a far larger body of water and in addition to bows they had primitive grenades. The invasion of Japan by the Mongols and Chinese would have succeeded, but for typhoons.

    Now Japan is a world leader in robotics, semiconductor silicon, rare earth magnets ECT, which China buys these things from Japan, and America will become increasingly unwilling facilitate this by providing free security for Japan to clean up commercially. Eventually China will catch up with Japan, but for the foreseeable future if Japan wanted to build a relatively small but formidable offensive force of superior capabilities to China, then they they could.

    Since Clinton’s notorious ‘ignore Japan’ 1998 trip to East Asia in which he only paid a very lengthy visit to China, Japan is worrying about what happens when China and America become friendly and cooperative. We are about to find out. Xi did not congratulate Biden on his victory, you think that is because Biden is not their preferred US president? The Covid pandemic is the Chinese equivalent of Japan’s Divine Wind. It will be taken as proof that Xi has the mandate of heaven.

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  78. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    As someone who’s familiar with Mearsheimer and not infrequently cites him, I’m not sure why you’re playing dumb all of a sudden. China is insecure because of the US military position in Asia and the Pacific, and the US has an interest in preventing Chinese regional hegemony.

    This is hogwash. Mearsheimer is an agent of the US Deep State which constantly seeks new “enemies” in order to justify the bloated US defense budget of the USA Empire. If anybody is insecure in East Asia, it’s Japan whose closest neighbor is Russia which is currently occupying the Kuril Islands thereby posing the biggest threat to its national security. The fact that Russia is all but ignored by the US Deep State in the calculus of Japan’s national security interests proves the self-serving nature of the “China Threat” rhetoric which the US Deep State uses to justify the continued presence of US military bases in Japan.

    Japan is now the biggest foreign investor in Vladivostok, most notably in auto manufacturing and LNG plants which implies — ipso facto — that Japan knows that it needs to cultivate cordial relations with Russia by ignoring Western sanctions imposed by the USA against Russia. Japan did the same thing after Tiananmen when Japanese corporations moved into the void left behind by its Western competitors after the USA imposed Western sanctions on China. Now, after Trump’s withdrawal from the TPP, Japan not only joined the RCEP with China under PM Abe but PM Suga has now invited China to join the CPTPP which is the successor to the TPP!!!

    The Japanese people does not view the USA as anything but a partner of convenience. No Japanese politician would say so in public because they don’t want to upset their quid pro quo with the Yanks which has allowed Japan to prosper by inundating the US market with Japanese goods, most notably in autos, electronics and machinery. The idea that the Japanese people — xenophobic ethno-nationalists that they are — would willingly accept the presence of US military bases in order to protect them from the alleged “China Threat” is completely absurd to anyone familiar with Japan and the Japanese. The reason why Japan wants to rearm itself is because rightwing Japanese ultra-nationalists want to settle old scores against the US military which they view as their mortal enemies responsible for committing crimes against the Japanese people.

    Westerners think that Japanese ‘culture’ is anime, geishas, sushi, cosplay, etc. but what they should do is to disabuse themselves of their Orientalist delusions by visiting the Yasukuni Shrine. Once the US military leaves Japan, the Japanese will revert back to their old ways and the Yanks will need China to restrain Japan from waging another “holy war” against the West.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  79. Sean says:

    Mearsheimer is an agent of the US Deep State which constantly seeks new “enemies” in order to justify the bloated US defense budget of the USA Empire.

    In 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms; became a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; and, within two years, had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would be likely to be subjected to aggression by Russia

    China is ‘insecure because of the US military position in Asia and the Pacific’; yes, but those forces are not necessarily the lion’s share ranged against China and although Japan presently lacks nukes it has the capacity to build them for a thermonuclear Mexican standoff under which conventional warfare could be waged. With their robotics expertise the Japs could create powerful conventional forces that would need to be balanced, which would mean extra defence spending by China, and further spiralling escalation as mentioned above. All that might come to pass if the US withdraws from or just seems uninterested in Japan. In 1998 Clinton went to China spent eight days then went home without any visit to Japan. At bottom the US is far more interested in making money with China than spending it defending Japan, but any kind of increase in Japan’s own capabilities will provoke a reaction from China . This is the great power politics tragedy that Mearsheimer wrote of.

    [T]he US has an interest in preventing Chinese regional hegemony.

    China knows it would be facing an alliance of Japan, Russia, and India as well as the US if it tried for hegemony now. Why should it do anything so stupid when it is going to achieve hegemony through peaceful means by growing into an economy so powerful that it will be a match for the whole world? China is holding all the cards, and eventually will call what has become a Western bluff, but that is a generation or so away. The Japanese have no intention of militarily diverting China from its economic blitzkrieg, which Japan is in on for a share of the profits anyway. That is why Japan and probably China want to keep US forces in NE Asia. Everything is going China’s way now Trump has been defeated.

  80. @Sean

    “Why would Xi or a successor with to invade Japan; well why did Kublai Khan?”

    Mongols liked to conquer. That’s why. But again – you found that incident. Out of thousands of years that shows it is a miniscule percentage.
    Yes we know without the typhoon it would of likely succeeded – but again – what is the point??? What on earth does that have to do with the modern world??? Do all countries make policies based on and incident that happened many centuries ago?? On the other hand – Japan has attempted to take Korea on more than one occasion over the centuries. Does Korea expect it to happen again? Not really…. Historically a strong China meant a safe Korea. The beef between Korea and Japan is the Koreans don’t feel Japan was sincere in it’s 20th century apologies and restitution.

    “The Covid pandemic is the Chinese equivalent of Japan’s Divine Wind. It will be taken as proof that Xi has the mandate of heaven.”

    yes – that is true about the mandate of heaven – but that mandate includes Diayou/Senkaku (which was governed as a part of Taiwan area) – and nothing to do with mainland Japan. Japan was always a student of China – not a competitor. Han people have no (and never had) desire to rule Japan.

  81. Richard B says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I wonder if USA is willing to go to nuclear war for those rocks

    I wonder if the USA is even willing to defend itself.

  82. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    You are a textbook example of what is wrong with Americans in foreign affairs. You don’t know the basic geography and history of your topic.
    Japan is not adjacent to South China Sea and has no claim of any rock there. Its territorial dispute with China (and Taiwan!) is about small rocks on East China Sea near Taiwan, thousands miles away from SCS.
    Hongkong and Macau have always been Chinese, and now recognized parts of PRC(even by your own gov, who is blatantly interfering in Hongkong) , albeit with special administrative status. Macau never had a problem with Mainland China gov, and basically serve as a giant Casino-compound for global Chinese. Macau is more wealthy than USA on a per capita basis and people there are very content, unlike HK.
    You pols and military behave just like you. Know nothing, care for nobody, jump in, drop bombs, incite violence, gang with fringe against center mass, make a mess, kill and maim and poison, pull out, mission accomplished. China is one of the few nations who had had enough and will take no more of this crap. I wondered why ordinary Americans pay with their blood and tax for this. I wonder no more when I observed them with a world map.
    The British has been doing this for more than 500 years, and they had an empire even bigger than yours. Look where they landed. To be fair to the Brits: their imperial agents were far better at geography and history.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  83. @another one

    Can the Chinese fight? In WW2 10million Japanese troops got bogged down in China. During my National Service I was put in a British infantry regiment that had just returned from Korea. Those that had fought the Chinese expressed the greatest respect for the Chinese as soldiers. (They also despised/hated US troops!). In 1959 the PLA made fairly short work of the CIA-backed Tibetan troops, who were fighting on their home ground. In 1962 the Indians attacked the Chinese and got their arse handed to them in fairly short order. All that was a long time ago. Since then the weapons that the Chinese and their putative enemies have, have become much more lethal. Perhaps the Chinese have become softer/less capable with prosperity? Who knows? I would not bank on it though!

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  84. @another one

    For that matter, as China and Russia adjoin each other and military and economic power are to some extent interconvertible, it is obvious that they are military rivals and adversary in the scheme of things.

    Russia and China would only be a problem for each other if they do not cooperate. Since neither country is bent on World Domination, they can cooperate for a long, long time without more than trivial friction. So long as they are faced by a country that spends more on arms than they and Iran, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela do between them, whose declared aim IS to dominate the World and which is attacking them continually, they have an obvious reason to cooperate very closely indeed.

    Apart from that, their economies and strengths complement each other very well.

    • Agree: dfordoom
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