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“I’ve known Xi Jinping for a long time. … He doesn’t have a democratic — with a small ‘d’ — bone in his body,” said Joe Biden in his first press conference as president, and then he ambled on:

“He’s one of the guys, like (Russian President Vladimir) Putin, who thinks that autocracy is the wave of the future — democracy can’t function in an ever-complex world.

“It is clear, absolutely clear … that this is a battle between the utility of democracies in the 21st century and autocracies. … We have to prove democracy works.”

Thus did Biden frame the conflict between America and China in almost purely ideological terms.

“Look … your children or grandchildren are going to be doing their doctoral thesis on the issue of who succeeded: autocracy or democracy? Because that is what is at stake, not just with China.”

But is this really what the conflict between America and China for economic, military and strategic supremacy is about — a contest between two political systems? And does Xi Jinping see it that way?

Does Xi see himself as the global champion of “autocracy” or as the nationalist leader of the Chinese people and Mao’s successor as The Great Helmsman who heads the party that decides the destiny of the nation?

And are we Americans really the champions of the democracy camp in a great twilight struggle with “autocracy”?

How, then, do we embrace as a NATO ally of 70 years the Republic of Turkey, which is ruled by the autocrat Recep Tayyip Erdogan?

Our Arab allies and partners include President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt, who came to power through a military coup that ousted an elected government. Also aligned with us are the king and crown prince of Saudi Arabia, and the monarchies of the Persian Gulf who might fairly be called not only monarchists but autocrats.

Are the king of Bahrain, the emir of Kuwait and the sultan of Oman members in good standing in America’s club of democracies?

Unlike the USSR of Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, Xi’s China does not appear to seek to impose its political system upon the nations with which it has deep trade and commercial ties such as Australia, Japan and South Korea.

Where Nikita Khrushchev thundered, “Your children shall live under Socialism,” Xi does not.

Indeed, in the ideological struggle defined by Biden, it appears that it’s the United States and Western democracies demanding that China abide by our beliefs and values, not the other way around.

Xi puts China first, and his own people, the Han Chinese majority, also first. As for the tribal and ethnonational minorities inside China — Uighurs, Kazakhs, Tibetans, Mongols, Manchu, Hong Kongese — their rights are subordinated and restricted, as are the beliefs and value systems of Christians in many of the 50 or so Muslim countries.

Unlike America’s liberal elites who celebrate racial, religious and ethnic diversity — the more the better — China’s rulers seem to fear racial, religious, ethnic and ideological diversity as forces threatening the kind of disintegration that befell the Soviet Empire and USSR.

And unlike the Americans who worship at the altar of equality, the Chinese act on the belief that not all religious, racial and ethnic minorities have equal rights.

ORDER IT NOW

And while China’s growth in real and relative power and prosperity in the decades since Tiananmen Square in 1989 has been epochal, the politics of the USA seem to have grown more poisonous and the racial divisions more rancorous than they were at the end of the Reagan era.

Nor does Biden’s faith in small “d” democracy appear to have been shared by the men who founded the United States as a “republic, if you can keep it.” They saw democracy not as some object of veneration but as a danger to be avoided

“Remember, democracy never lasts long,” John Adams wrote. “It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

Perhaps our greatest Chief Justice John Marshall said, “Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”

“A Democracy is the vilest form of Government there is,” said Tom Paine, who was echoed by the father of the Constitution, Madison himself:

“Democracy is the most vile form of government. Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention incompatible with personal security or the rights of property.”

By the end of a long life, Thomas Jefferson concluded: “A Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.”

Democracy and autocracy — of which monarchies and dictatorships are examples — are forms of government, not objects of worship. It is the country that engages the heart, not the system of government by which the country is governed.

And it is the country that is the legitimate object of allegiance, loyalty and love.

And that is the meaning of “America First.”

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. JimDandy says:

    Ah, Pat. One of your best.

  2. We don’t want to make America great Again.

    Why won’t THEY just “come out” and say it?

    And to the republic, oops…demonocracy for witchestan.

    Joebama won by millions of votes, a miracle of

    divine providence.His story repeats,endlessly…

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  3. It’s simple, it isn’t about ideology. Its about the right to multipolarity. Each nation, culture, civilisation should be free to choose the system that suits it best, regardless of whether the Woke Empire approves or not. The US of A is trying to prevent multipolarity, an Augean task.

    • Agree: Irish Savant, Rogue
    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  4. Not bad, Pat.
    Democracy IS great — if you can get it. Unfortunately, democracy is usually an excellent packaging for some kind of Oligarchy or Plutocracy.
    As Pat aludes to — the question is whether government actually rules for the benefit of the Nation or for the benefit of its Elites.
    At this point in time we can see that US government rules for elite benefit, whereas the CCP rules for both elites & nation. Should push come to shove, I could even imagine Chinese elites taking 2nd place to National interests.

  5. As for the tribal and ethnonational minorities inside China — Uighurs, Kazakhs, Tibetans, Mongols, Manchu, Hong Kongese — their rights are subordinated and restricted, as are the beliefs and value systems of Christians in many of the 50 or so Muslim countries.

    Nonsense. Minorities enjoy positive discrimination across the board: politically, legally, judicially, educationally, and reproductively.

  6. America a Democracy…


    No, it’s a Jewtocracy.

  7. Molip says:

    I just watched a short Abby Martin YouTube doco on Haiti. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaD8KbGtxIw

    Anybody who sees it and claims that the US is a bastion of democracy is an out and out troll. I was so disgusted by the US actions that it left me wondering whether China leading the world would be better than the existing system.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  8. Ahem says:

    Poor Pat.

    He still thinks that the USA has always been a ‘democracy’. (or Carnstitooshinal Republic, if you prefer that equally bogus label).

    Sorry Pat.

    As carefully and deliberately arranged by the Founding Fathers, it was designed to be an elective dictatorship from the start. Notice the venomous nature of the quotes specifically designed to insult and denigrate the common man and justify the exclusion of such persons from the exercise of any ‘power’, in the meaningful sense of the word.

    Following the recent travesty of a fraudulent Presidential election, it has now transitioned to a full fledged Bolshie or Latin American style dictatorship.

    Get with it, Pat. The United States has reached its near terminal, latter day, Weimar Republic stage of government.

  9. @Godfree Roberts

    Every time this author appears to be writing a balanced and insightful piece on international politics, he seems to throw in a whopper or two which betray his propagandic indoctrination.

    Consistent with the bald-faced lie which you already pointed out, Mr. Buchanan sprinkled these gems into the narrative:

    China’s rulers seem to fear racial, religious, ethnic and ideological diversity as forces threatening the kind of disintegration that befell the Soviet Empire and USSR.

    Seriously? I don’t see any fear on President Xi’s face as Xinjiang’s economy booms and the ethnic Uyghur population expands. I also don’t see the cultural degeneracy in China which is increasingly embraced by the West. What I do see is a vibrant, diverse and dynamic trading empire on the rise.

    And unlike the Americans who worship at the altar of equality, the Chinese act on the belief that not all religious, racial and ethnic minorities have equal rights.

    That’s some mighty violent worshipping going on at the American altar of equality, what with BLM looting and burning down cities, hordes of deplorable geriatric white extremists laying siege to Congress, and American consumers either jobless or starving while creepy billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates and all his wealthy cohorts get richer by the trillion, while coercing the poor and the powerless to be injected with experimental “vaccines” in violation of the Nuremburg code – a crime against humanity – because Americans also worship Dr. Anthony Fauci’s faux “science” on the American altar of equality.

    Let’s not overlook that the American altar of equality seems to condone the preferential dispensation of justice when it comes to really big financial swindles – how many filthy rich banker bastards who got so much richer actually went to jail, or were charged with any crime at all, after the 2008 global financial crisis? It shouldn’t be too hard to tally up – zero.

    And did we mention the differential application of American laws, government grants, university positions and employment prospects based substantially if not entirely on the color of an American’s skin? Not that there’s apparently anything wrong with that at the American altar of equality.

    And what about the American media’s coverage of America’s violent crimes – surely one should expect equal coverage given to all incidents irrespective of racial profiles? Or is that yey another exception to the sacred principle of equality? That’s surely a very discerning altar of equality over there in America.

    What about the US Military’s now official doctrine of pursuing Christians in their ranks as extremists who must be reindoctrinated or purged? At the same time as the American military is paying for abundant sex-change operations and stitching up maternity suits for pregnant women to go out and kill someone. Almost ironic, considering all that worshipping going on over there at that completely egalitarian and oh so tolerant American altar of equality.

    We could go on like this for hours.

    But my fingers might cramp up.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Rurik
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  10. @Ahem

    The United States has reached its near terminal, latter day, Weimar Republic stage of government.

    This is a succinct but profoundly perceptive statement.

    One can only hope that the 4th Reich won’t ultimately decide to forcefully “take back” what it considers to be its rightful heritage, ie, the whole frigging world.

  11. Realist says:

    “It is clear, absolutely clear … that this is a battle between the utility of democracies in the 21st century and autocracies. … We have to prove democracy works.”

    The fact that brain-dead Biden made that pronouncement is telling…democracy doesn’t work and never has.

    Unlike America’s liberal elites who celebrate racial, religious and ethnic diversity — the more the better — China’s rulers seem to fear racial, religious, ethnic and ideological diversity as forces threatening the kind of disintegration that befell the Soviet Empire and USSR.

    As well they should.

    And unlike the Americans who worship at the altar of equality, the Chinese act on the belief that not all religious, racial and ethnic minorities have equal rights.

    And that is why they will eat our lunch.

    Nor does Biden’s faith in small “d” democracy appear to have been shared by the men who founded the United States as a “republic, if you can keep it.” They saw democracy not as some object of veneration but as a danger to be avoided

    A republic is a democracy with lipstick. A meritocracy is the answer.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  12. Rurik says:

    It is the country that engages the heart, not the system of government by which the country is governed.

    And it is the country that is the legitimate object of allegiance, loyalty and love.

    And that is the meaning of “America First.”

    • LOL: anonymousperson
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  13. KA says:

    Plato wrote that democracy gave rise to mobocracy.

    System is inherently corrupting . Not necessarily corrupt . It brings the worst out of the demagogue who appeals to the meanest and darkest corners of human emotion . Never to intelligence. Intelligence has no market value . Crowd anywhere has a tendency to destroy any meaningful dialogue .

  14. Well that’s rich, Joe Biden praising democracy. Almost as credible as yet another Jefferson quote using modern idioms.

    Democracy has the enduring quality of appealing to human vanity. Once men had the fantasy that their rulers were gods (Pharaohs, Roman Emperors), then god-appointed (George III, Louis XVI), and now we the voters are the gods, possessing the wisdom to always choose moral, honest leaders – even as we conveniently deny that we have no voice in the selection of robo-candidates who are thoroughly vetted by our true rulers not to threaten an unjust status quo.

  15. sonofman says:

    All countries are determined by language, history, traditions and borders, and all governments are obligated to uphold at least a resemblance of national sovereignty for their people. It doesn’t matter if it is an Autocracy, Democracy, Oligarchy or Monarchy; they are all the same in that a small minority rule over the majority. What matters is competency, because even a king or a dictator can demonstrate more wisdom than elected governments. The United States government was instituted to protect the fought for rights and moral values of the people as a Republic, not as a democracy.
    The people who are now in control of the U.S. government, its institutions, and the narrative, are acting in total contradiction of American principles and integrity. What a disgrace.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  16. @Ahem

    The election was not fraudulent, pure boomer cope.

    • Replies: @Unshockable
  17. @Realist

    Biden is the most eloquent statesman America’s had in 4 years, at least.

    • Agree: RJ Macready
  18. Rurik says:
    @Ahem

    Notice the venomous nature of the quotes specifically designed to insult and denigrate the common man and justify the exclusion of such persons from the exercise of any ‘power’, in the meaningful sense of the word.

    Following the recent travesty of a fraudulent Presidential election, it has now transitioned to a full fledged Bolshie or Latin American style dictatorship.

    that’s because the left were never stupid or deluded enough to think that playing fair was a noble goal, even if it meant sacrificing actual power.

    The left doesn’t give a %$#@ about ‘democracy’. That’s just some idiotic platitude of whitey- and like his compassion; his Achilles’ heel and his weakness.

    They’re in it win- at all costs. And when they do, they have as much use for democracy as the Haitians did once they defeated whitey at the turn of the 19th century.

    The Haitians didn’t say, ‘OK, now we’ve won, everybody gets a vote!’

    No, rather they set about slaughtering the white men, raping and enslaving the white women, in the world’s “first ever, free black republic”. With white French women in chains.

    Not free republic for all Haitian people, black, white, mixed. But rather a black republic, like Mugabe’s, only a bit more racist and blood-drenched.

    Abby Martin would have us all believe that the blacks of Haiti, if left to their own devices, would have built a New Wakanda, and with all those resources and billions in aid, would be a ‘shinning light unto all nations’. Except for America’s racism and evil. Blah, blah, blah..

    Now I’m not a proponent of American imperialism. But pretending that Haiti’s problems are caused by America, is like pretending Zimbabwe’s problems are caused by England’s racism and legacy of colonialism.

    It’s a trite, reductio ad absurdum. A cartoon narrative of good (black Haitians) vs. evil (whitey, and particularly American whitey).

    The exact kind of idiotic rhetoric that is promoting hatred and division based on race.

    Which is where America is headed at break-neck speed.

    For four years we heard nothing but how ‘Trump is dividing us all!

    Now they’re going to speak with one voice. Whitey is racist and evil, and he owes!

    No more divisive language like ‘all lives matter’, or ‘muh Constitution’, are going to be allowed anymore. You’ll be fired from your job, silenced and cancelled. From now on, there’s be no more room in America for divisiveness.

    Eyewitness accounts of the massacre describe imprisonment and killings even of whites who had been friendly and sympathetic to the black population.[21]

    In parallel to the killings, plundering and rape also occurred.[20] Women and children were generally killed last. White women were “often raped or pushed into forced marriages under threat of death.”[20]

    Dessalines did not specifically mention that the white women should be killed, and the soldiers were reportedly somewhat hesitant to do so. In the end, however, the women were also put to death, though normally at a later stage of the massacre than the adult males.[19] The argument for killing the women was that whites would not truly be eradicated if the white women were spared to give birth to new Frenchmen.[22]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

    Abby didn’t mention that part, when she excoriated Thomas Jefferson for not supporting the revolution.

    Imagine Jefferson, as America’s diplomat to France, going to extend his congratulations to the black Haitians for their cause, with French women held in chains.

    Note to Abby and wokeness. Freedom means freedom for all people, black, brown and white.

  19. SteveK9 says:

    Biden … Mr. Medical Passport … cares absolutely nothing about Democracy, assuming he still can think at all.

  20. Chris Moore says: • Website

    “I’ve known Xi Jinping for a long time. … He doesn’t have a democratic — with a small ‘d’ — bone in his body,” said Joe Biden in his first press conference as president, and then he ambled on: “He’s one of the guys, like (Russian President Vladimir) Putin, who thinks that autocracy is the wave of the future — democracy can’t function in an ever-complex world.

    Joe “I am a Zionist Biden” wouldn’t know anything about democracy if it bit him in his bony old ass. Occupied America doesn’t practice democracy. Occupied America practices Zionism and Judeofascism under the guise of “democracy.” And corrupt Congress and MSM are full partners.

    Lied into the the Zionist Iraq war 2 times, the second time based on the 9/11 Zionists inside job. Lied into war against Libya. Lied into war against Syria. Attempts to lie us into war with Iran. Stolen elections. Arranged riots…

    It is the Judeofascist fifth column that forces gutless American politicos to toe the line, and will continue to force them to toe the line as the nation continues to crumble. One day, that fifth column will pull up stakes and head home to Israel, just as they did after turning Europe into rubble for Zionism in the world wars of the 20th Century.

    Whoville is a nation of dupes. And the Grinch never did grow a heart. That was all fantasy fed to suckers, rubes and useful idiots.

    The cold, hard reality is that Judeofascists are ideological sociopaths by design. Always have been and always will be. And they wouldn’t change a thing about themselves.

    • Agree: Exile, Rurik
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  21. @Supply and Demand

    For you it obviously was not fraudulent. But you have no more proof than those who say it was fraudulent. You can keep on hanging onto “democracy”, “republic” if you wish but you sound like ….pure boomer cope, whatever that is.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  22. nsa says:

    Ezra Pound defined western democracy succinctly as “a country run by jews”.

  23. @Ahem

    Get with it, Pat. The United States has reached its near terminal, latter day, Weimar Republic stage of government.

    That the present regime is reaching its end is clear. The question is, though… is its true state closer to Weimar Germany or Kerensky Russia?

  24. Exile says:

    As Pat pointed out years ago, China’s leadership is basically using the blueprint for ascendancy America used in its better days – mercantilism, protectionism, foreign policy based on national interests, pragmatic temporary alliances, etc…

    And as Pat said, from the Chinese point of view, our moralizing and jingoism rings pretty hollow to Chinese leaders who can simply say “we are doing what America did to rise from being a relatively backward agrarian nation to superpower status. America wants to pull up that ladder and leave developing nations in vassalage now that it’s on top.”

    The neoliberals and neocons fully in charge of both American parties and their fellow travelers in NATO have no serious, credible response to this charge.

  25. @Unshockable

    If it was fraudulent, the court system would strike it down. It did not. Enjoy your fantasy land and future FBI visit, domestic terrorist.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    , @Ahem
  26. @Supply and Demand

    If it was fraudulent, the court system would strike it down.

    You must be new to this planet.

  27. Awash says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree, we know china is perfect, but why do you lie?

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  28. Chinaman says:

    Good government vs Bad government
    Competent government vs Incompetent government
    Governments that protects their citizens vs Governments that let their citizens die.
    Governments that invade other people vs Governments that don’t

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  29. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    The left doesn’t give a %$#@ about ‘democracy’.

    Neither does the right. They are both two sides of the Deep State coin.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  30. TG says:

    I deeply respect Mr. Buchanan. I voted for him for president (hey, he was a lot better than the other candidates – though I admit, perhaps that is a low bar).

    But the notion that the Untied States is a ‘democracy’ in any realistic form is, frankly, an insult. Since when have the people had any choice in real policy? Are we being consulted over the de-facto complete opening of the souther border and invasion by the third world? Or about our endless pointless winless foreign wars? Or massive tax cuts for hedge fund managers, whose wealth depends entirely on massive public bailouts from the public treasury? Etc.etc?

    “Democracy” is a scam, it privatizes power and socializes responsibility. I think we would be better served by just admitting that the United States is an authoritarian regime, basically run by about 600 billionaires, and place the blame for what’s going on squarely at their feet. Could that be worse?

    Perhaps the difference here is that in China the elites take responsibility for their actions, and in the United States, the elites pretend that it has nothing to do with them even though they are very much as completely in charge as the Chinese ruling class.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  31. Yee says:

    Democracy has become a religion. Pagens are evil, you either be converted or be killed.

    “Western Democracy” are no different than Islamic head-choppers.

  32. Nikita Khrushchev thundered, “Your children shall live under Socialism”

    He was correct.

  33. SafeNow says:

    The Economist Magazine released its “Democracy Index” in February. The US was 28th. (Norway 1st).
    28th fell into the “flawed” bracket. I would say “flawed” is putting it mildly.

    • Replies: @anon
  34. @Blinky Bill

    Exactly. Stay in your borders and govern however works for you, and may the best country win.

  35. Ahem says:
    @Supply and Demand

    The US Supremes did not review the case on the spurious grounds of lack of standing. More likely, Roberts and the rest of the Supremes were genuinely worried about the very real threat of court packing by the Dems.

    Your hilarious remark that I should “…enjoy a future FBI visit, domestic terrorist.” Sums up your street thug mentality quite well.

    However, it would be difficult for the FBI to reach me as I’m in my home country, the Australian elective oligarchy. (The parliamentary system. Rule by a committee of elected dictators).

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  36. @Rurik

    Note to Abby and wokeness. Freedom means freedom for all people, black, brown and white.

    … and yellow and red.

    If we’re serious, let’s not limit our horizons.

    And let’s not overlook, there are more dimensions to race than just skin colour.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  37. @Ahem

    The parliamentary system. Rule by a committee of elected dictators…

    Well said.

    I’ve long been of the opinion that the best solution for the proper management of any nation for the best interests of its people is by dictatorship.

    But if you’re going to rule by dictator – make sure you get a good one.

    Australia’s rulers, sadly, are a gaggle of spineless self-serving shite eternally prostrated as ever-eager bum-boys for Uncle Sam.

    That applies even to the butch female politicians like Foreign Minister Maurisa Payne – though you have to look really hard to be able to tell.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  38. @Chinaman

    That pretty much divides the world into two idealogical camps.

    Needless to say, Team America is the Bad Guys this time around.

    P.S. Dude, you’re back! Hooray!

  39. Our global world today, the way I see it:

    The sad truth is that the modern society is a very rigid class system. Forget about the autocracy vs democracy dichotomy, NATO vs axis of resistance, “Woke” left vs “Conservative right. Forget about the upper, middle, lower division of the good old days. Today there are only two tiers – upper and lower – with three distinctive layers: dominating, intermediate and the dominated.

    Ok, I may be exaggerating a bit – there is still a middle class, kinda, sort of, but it consists mostly of low-level corporate and state workers, and small private enterpreneurs, trying to run their own businesses (but, regrettably, doomed to fail in long term).

    Nevertheless, the social stratification is at its peak everywhere in the world. At the top of our society you have the transnational megacorporations. These global companies ARE the real power in our world today – they have more money and yield more political influence than most of the governments today; they practically create their own culture, laws and social systems. Indeed, there are some cultural differences between them, result of their nation of origin, but ALL of them value the same things – conformity, observation of the hierarchy, unyielding loyalty to the company and its policies, but above everything else – Power (with capital “P”).

    In the global picture, nowadays you’re either working for a transnational, or you’re on your own – this means that either you’re struggling to run your own business, you’re freelancer, or you’re unemployed. Low- and middle-level corporation employees are expendable and replaced almost immediately – the large contingent of unemployed are used by the transnationals as readily available pool for replacements, and is a constant threat to the employed. If you’re ineffective – you get fired. If you’re disloyal – you get fired, or worse. And if a transnational considers you a threat – you’re most definitely worse.

    Let’s first review our corporate lords and masters.

    At the bottom of the corporation hierarcy you have the “dominated” – cleaners, drivers, janitors, security guards, low-level employees. For their work they receive a salary, usually bordering to subsistence level. If they’re lucky, they may get a basic health-care insurance, paid by the corporation. Many of them are content with their dull jobs, carrying day by day their mediocre, drap existence. Some of them are dreaming about “promotion” and advancing into the ranks of the “intermediate” – the middle class of the corporate workers. In order to achieve this, they ofter work extended hours (in some cases up to 16 and more per day), they often resort to legal, and in many cases – illegal, stimulants just to keep up with the pressure. As result, they’re stick in a limbo, waking up every morning to do the same thing over and over again (and we all know what Enstein presumably said about doing the same thing and expecting different result). They’re dreaming and waiting for their “big chance”, because, they think, if they’re persistent, clever and ruthless enough, eventually they’ll have their chance to step up the corporate ladder. They dream how they’ll probably get some nice appartment (paid by the company, of course), and, may be, a company car. They imagine that their salary could go up, and,probably, now they could go to eat out from time to time, and enjoy fresh – but still GMO – food. But most importantly – they’ll be eligible for promotion to the upper levels. The sad truth is that such dreams are delusional – no matter if you get up there with your fists or knees, your connections, years of education or practical experience – at this level, is where the things get really serious. Here, you’re just one little shark among older, bigger sharks in a very crowded fish tank. To remain at the intermediate level one must be always few steps ahead of the competition, and be prepared to fight quick and dirty. Many, who’ve reached this level drop out soon after that, sometimes with very grave personal consequences. Very, very few have ever get the chance to progress beyond that.

    At the very top of the corporate hierarchy sit the real son-of-bitches – board members, CEOs, corporate owners (don’t mistake them with shareholders – the shareholders are just the dupes left holding corporate debt instruments, which will never be repaid), their family relatives. The new oligarhy. The ruling families of the brave new world, which all of us are “enjoying” today. Most of them have inherited their positions, groomed from day one to take over, when their parents decide it’s time to change the faces. Some of them worked it out after decades of scheming, back-stabbing, consolidating power and building alliances. Still, while their position is more stable than those of the low- and middle-level employees, it’s far from secured – there are always young and ambitious ascendants, waiting for even the slightest slip.

    It should be noted, that coups at such high level are extremely rare – the stakes are so enormous and the possibility to weaken company’s strength (a sure way for a corporation downfall) in a badly timed overthrow is so high, that this is where those psychopaths draw the line – very few of them would risk internal power struggle. These are the things that high and mighty fear most – for them the company is literally their life, more important than their families. Pretty much every CEO would sacrifice everyone and everything to ensure that his (it’s rarely her’s, but these days you never know…) company will remain alive and profitable.

    The main threat to a transnational company are their fellow transnationals. On their way to the top of the food chain every transnational have worked hardly to overcome every and all domestic and government opposition. In places without strong governments, the transnationals have established bitter rivalries and are their worst enemies. Every imaginable sector of the economy is essentially a war zone, where only the strongest survive. On such battle field there are no rules of engagement and the transnational corporations aren’t beyond using the most gruesome tactics imaginable – hostile take overs, assasinations of key management and research personnel (usually conveniently presented as accidents, incidents or result of worsened health condition) and destroying and sabotaging of production facilities, transport lines and warehouses (presented in corporate-owned mass media as tragic accidents, of course) are just the tip of the iceberg. Many transnationals are not beyond the use of para-military forces and commiting crimes against humanity in regions with weak and corrupt governments in order to increase their bottom line on the balance sheet.

    Speaking of the governments, the businesses of the government and the transnational corporations have always been interlinked, and nowadays, they don’t even try to hide it. Thou the power of the nation states is just a fraction of the power yielded by the transnational corporations, they are still powerful regional players. Still, in the west, the governments these days are nothing more than front-office for the transnationals, which choose to set foot in the respective region. Of course, a lone government “crusader” may start “bashing” a coproration on the local media once and then, but it usually ends when the said government official receives his “fair share” of the bribe money – in the end, the government officials always seem to end up approving laws, which benefit the transnationals first, and the ordinary people be damned – those politicos most definitely knows, who’s giving them their bread and butter.

    In a world so influenced by corporate-owned mass media, with populace so addicted to cheap entertainment and omnipresent trash culture, the so called “celebrities” have their own place at the top of the social pyramid. Every branch of the show business has its own stars, whose works shape trends and opinions. Most of them are product of the entertainment industry itself, designed to feed the current fashion. Very few of them are natural born talents, discovered by a manager, who recognized their potential and helped them to develop it; these days most of them are creation of the corporate-owned mass-media and aggresively promoted, usually to push forward some idiotic, “woke”, politically-correct agenda. Regardless of their origin, they’ll shine brightly for a (short) period of time, and then replaced by the next trendy face.

    Apart from the low-level corporate employees, today’s middle class consists of those, who’ve failed to find their place in a transnational corporation. These people are trying to run their own business, usually a small-time store. Owners of these enterprises are ordinary, trying to be law-abiding, citizens, who try to earn their living without selling their body and soul to a transnational. Some of them even succeed, even if for a brief time, because, despite the efforts of ever-expanding corporations, these business still provide a fair number of jobs for their local communities. A small business owner’s situation is often challenging, as they are forced to rent homes in poor locations with (usually) non-existent security and, therefore, more exposed to criminal activity. They also have to cover the cost of all social and health insurance all by themselves. Usually, without the backing of local authorities, such owners are often forced to pay “protection fees” to local criminal gangs. In all fairness, in such locations, and if you pay your “fee”, the local criminal gangs actually provide better protection from rivals than the authorities ever could. The lowest level of this tier, the “new middle class” of the 21st century, are the people on the verge of poverty. Poorly educated and mostly unemployed, they’re struggling to meet ends by running semi-legal (and in many cases – outright illegal) business, and trying to steer clear of authorities and organized criminals. Ironically, in the cold reality of the 21st century, the fact that they have a job at all counts them among the lucky ones.

    There is always a way down from the rock bottom, of course. Brutal changes in the structure’s society after the financial, health and geo-political crises during the first two decaded of the 21st century have dramatically increased the proporiton of the poorest part of the human population everywhere in the world. In every major city (especially those ranked as global) there are entire districts of shantytowns, tent cities and favelas where tens of housands of people live in outrageous conditions, trying to survive day-by-day. And despite the high mortality rate as result of disease, drug overuse, criminal activity, this army of outcasts grow bigger every day – people, who’ve lost their jobs after last “cost optimisation” by their corporate employers; people, who’ve lost their life savings as result of the latest government-approved financial scam, after which the big banks bailed out their buddies with freshly printed (well, actually electronically created) money; people, who’ve lost their entire families in regions, where local wars, fueled by corporate interests run unchecked, or people, who simple gave up and stopped caring.

    Once a few years, a local government tries to solve the problems of such slums and their inhabitants. All such attempts always end up with corruption scandals, with the poors often left worse than before.

    In this brave new world we live today – there’s hardly place for optimism.

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  40. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow

    28 th is still too high given the way Berrnie sanders was sandbagged twice and the way we have funded and embraced dictatorial takeovers ,sheikhs, and drug cartel abroad and allowed lobbying shaping each and every policy decisions made in DC. Most decisive promises made by presidential hopefuls to get elected have been routinely and consistently flouted since the era ushered by Bill Clinton.

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  41. Rurik says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    … and yellow and red.

    If we’re serious, let’s not limit our horizons.

    And let’s not overlook, there are more dimensions to race than just skin colour.

    That was- of course- my point.

    But it’s only one race that is demonized relentlessly as guilty for all the foibles and failures of all the races (and nations and ethnicities and pigments and tribes and genders and identities.. ad absurdum, ad nauseum).

    And just as Abby’s little piece showed, that would be the white race.

    And if any have any difficulties parsing out just who is a member of that dubious distinction, it would be any person whom it is not only legal, but good policy all around, to discriminate against in all things, in the good ol’ ZUS of A. No matter how poor, or underprivileged they often are.

    If I’m a farmer living in ZOG, and want to get my share of the Cornhole 1984 stimulus funds, then there is only one group of people for whom that money will not be handed out to. White people. Evil racists, in other words.

    They’ll be expected to pay the lion’s share of taxes over to ZOG, but when it comes to getting relief, then no racists need apply.

    Irony of ironies, eh?

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  42. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:

    “As for the tribal and ethnonational minorities inside China — ”

    Pat, pro tip: be extra-careful writing about things like the world, especially when you have no fucking idea. The Chinese have ratified the ICESCR. That commits them to international expert review of cultural rights that greatly exceed US protections. The relevant articles are 1§1, 3, and 15§1a. This is the world standard definition of cultural rights but you never heard of it, Right?

    There’s this cool new thing called the fuckin Internet. You can look stuff up, instead of talking out your ass. You can even see how well China performs with respect to these binding legal protections here.

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/AsiaRegion/Pages/CNIndex.aspx

    In fact, you have a meticulously-documented record of Chinese cultural rights protections since China ratified in 2000:

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/AsiaRegion/Pages/CNIndex.aspx

    The USA has never ratified the ICESCR. So Chinese cultural rights are categorically superior to those of the US, where you rights as a Muzzie – or a broke WASP – are to get chased around and entrapped by FBI shitstains, especially if you are a retard and they can trick you into dressing up and holding a rubber bomb and smiling for the camera.

    So your premise is bassackwards. US cultural rights suck more than China’s.

    Pat, maybe stick to easy stuff for a while. Like, I dunno, how cute your Grandkids are. Aren’t they so cute?

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
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  43. @Rurik

    Irony of ironies, eh?

    Can’t argue with that.

    It’s surreal to watch from afar as the once great God-fearing nation of proud Americans permits itself to be hijacked, humiliated, persecuted and enslaved by a vanishingly tiny minority of totalitarian billionaires.

    One can only hope that at some point, something’s got to give and the march to full-blown 1984 will collapse. Otherwise, as goes the USA, so goes the West.

    • Agree: Rurik
  44. @goldgettin

    Biden is an lying idiot and always has been. Maybe he is too senile to realize it, but those, mostly minorities, who counted the votes in the dark of night in several key cities know that they pulled off a steal of epic proportions. I can’t prove it, don’t ask me to, but I know millions of dissident citizens feel the same.

    As for being a democracy, what a load of crap. Did we (including most democrats) vote for the complete chaos of Biden’s open borders -NO!

    Did we vote for endless wars – NO! Ever since 2008, we’ve been voting in the candidate who we thought might end the wars (except for Biden’s 2020 steal), and maybe bring some troops home. We didn’t get that either. Trump tried to, but he was stopped by anti-democratic Deep State forces much stronger than any president. There are too many other examples to mention in a short comment.

    Our Founding Fathers were right about democracy, and much smarter than the so-called leaders we have today. Making a senile man president, and an unqualified cackling anchor baby VP because of her skin color, was an act of madness. We ceased to be a Free Republic after Lincoln’s War of Norther Aggression. There is NO HOPE for saving this dystopian nightmare. Secession from Leviathan is the only course to salvage Heritage America.

    • Agree: Irish Savant, Rurik
    • Troll: Supply and Demand
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  45. ” We have to prove democracy works.”

    From the guy who stole the election to get where he is.

    • Replies: @anonymousperson
  46. @Rurik

    Rurik, when I first studied geography in junior high, I wondered why the small island of Hispaniola was divided into two countries, Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I later found out that the DR had a large White population, while Haiti was 100% black after killing off their French rulers. They wanted no business of being hacked to death, so they fought a War for Independence, and fortified and armed their border. More people in the DR are now of mixed race due to interbreeding, but they still want no part of the savage Haitians. In fact, the DR is still a holiday destination in spite of Covid.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  47. @anon

    True, Bernie Sanders was sandbagged by the Deep State, just as Trump was last year. Be that as it may, the 79 year old starry-eyed socialist (one year older than Biden) would have been equally as much a disaster.

  48. Antiwar7 says:

    The capital controlling the US Empire has one guiding principle in its foreign policy: to regime-change any government it can’t buy.

    That’s it. And no human cost in suffering is too great to achieve this, for the powers that exert this control, because they don’t care. All they care is that their own populations don’t rise up against them. That avoid that by narrative control: by lying, by rationalization, by hiding things, and by dividing the populace over emotional issues that do not threaten their rule.

  49. Jokem says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    No, the best solution is for the country to be like it was when set up. A Republic with the States having independence.

  50. Rurik says:
    @follyofwar

    Hispaniola was divided into two countries, Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I later found out that the DR had a large White population, while Haiti was 100% black after killing off their French rulers. They wanted no business of being hacked to death, so they fought a War for Independence, and fortified and armed their border. More people in the DR are now of mixed race due to interbreeding, but they still want no part of the savage Haitians.

    I’ve been to the DR several times. It’s a beautiful and lush nation with million dollar views, hills and mountains and friendly people. There is quite a bit of poverty, but they don’t seem to mind too much.

    And yes, they take their border with Haiti seriously. Haiti could have been a tropical paradise. The Pearl of the Caribbean, as it was known for its natural beauty and resources. But the Haitians were/are too.. eh.. distracted to run their nation in an .. um.. optimal way. Like other nations and societies, they simply blindly proliferated until they used up every resource on their side of the island. Now it’s a shithole, exactly as Trump described. While the Dominican Republic is still lush and beautiful. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

    • Agree: anonymousperson
    • Thanks: follyofwar
  51. @Chris Moore

    The leading politicians of today’s western “democracies”: Clinton, Merkel, Blair, Macron are to the USA etc. as Kim Philby and Guy Burgess were to England; with Israel standing in for the former USSR.

  52. @Rurik

    Your past is your future.

    Monday, you will go to work and on your desk or at your workstation, there will be the unfinished work you left on Friday. What had been is what you face now. A prudent person plans their life accordingly, taking pains to make sure that what they leave undone is not overly burdensome, knowing that they will have to pick up where they left off.

    African blacks had no notion of Time. No sundials, no calendar, no numbering system which would enable them to keep track of days past or future, no written word, no map. Lacking these, they have no sense of themselves in Time. They live in the eternal Now. Procreating feels good so they do it without a thought about how they can care for any offspring in the future. Not caring about the future, they have no sense of the limits of resources. Lacking that sense, they use things to the point of exhaustion. Having arrived at that point, they starve. Starving, they reach equilibrium with their environment. And this is how white men found them.

    Whites, naively believing in the Christian faith that all people are the children of God, mistakenly believed that were blacks merely taught how to think, they would become self-regulating. But black’s brains stop developing at the mental age of an eleven year old child. They will never be able to think abstractly about anything. They are prisoners of their dim mental powers. All efforts to lift them up have failed and shall fail in the future. The only way to elevate them is to breed them with people who are smarter than they are and hope that some of the brains will take root. The smartest people are Jews and Asians, so, if they really care about blacks–and after all, they are all one political party–they should marry them and have babies with them. This would be the right thing to do. The moral thing.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Corvinus
  53. @follyofwar

    We ceased to be a Free Republic after Lincoln’s War of Norther Aggression. There is NO HOPE for saving this dystopian nightmare. Secession from Leviathan is the only course to salvage Heritage America.

    BRAVO

    I’m standing on my chair.

    VIVA
    VIVA FOLLYOFWAR

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  54. @Rurik

    – What is always covered with the mantle of love is the DR is so lush
    (actually visible from space, green = DR, brown = Haiti)
    only because Trujillo declared the jungle his personal property and the natives were scared shitless of him 😀

    I guess there´s a lesson re: democracy vs. autocracy somewhere but
    I can´t seem to be able to lay my finger on it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  55. My apologies, but I see it as a competition between systematic corruption(the USA) for the benefit of certain elites and groups, and generally good management(China) with an intense focus on improving the lives of the bulk of the citizenry.

    In China, Obama would be in a drug rehab center for smoking too much weed and Trump would be doing laundry or growing vegetables in prison for cheating his investors, cheating on his taxes and misusing his charity donations.

    Hillary would be in an asylum for the insane and Bill would be in an institution for those with uncontrollable sexual impulses.

    Neither of these Laurel and Hardy duos would be anywhere near managing a village, let alone a town in China. Their intelligence would be regarded as too low and their integrity, motivation, work-ethic and character, especially in Trump’s case, would be regarded as non-existent.

    The USA is doomed, not because of its democracy, nor for its ideals, but because of its corruption and the lack of competence and pathetic self-delusion amongst its political class.

  56. @GreatSocialist

    The USA is doomed, not because of its democracy, nor for its ideals, but because of its corruption and the lack of competence and pathetic self-delusion amongst its political class.
    ————-
    So let us flesh this out a bit.
    Corruption. A political class that is sub-standard.

    Who is corrupt? What is corrupt?
    I would argue the people who own the country are corrupt. They are corrupt because rules don’t mean anything, they just game the system and steal everything. It is happening right now.
    600 billionaires, the majority are Jews, who have ‘Citizen United’ 320 million people. It would seem the clear solution is to arrest these people as violators of RICO Statutes. Quick, call Giuliani, he has experience. Oh, the DOJ won’t return our calls. Ever.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…………..

    Seems we are out of options. Barring: MC 110

    It always comes back to this. Every time.

  57. Rurik says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The smartest people are Jews and Asians, so, if they really care about blacks–… –they should marry them and have babies with them. This would be the right thing to do. The moral thing.

    this is really a no-brainer

    it’s such a perfect solution to what ails the world, that even Rothschild heiress Kate Rothschild is showing all Jewish gals how it’s done.

    talk about Tikkun Olam. That is how you repair the world!

    And it’s a huge movement in Israel, of all places, were everybody knows the inevitable is only a matter of time, as young people, Jewish girls, and Arab boys, are obviously going to be attracted to each other. They haven’t had all the hate-filled indoctrination of their parents generation, and will find true love in each other’s arms. Eventually their love and increasing marriages will ebb away the hatred of those white supremacists of Israel who’re enraged at mixed marriages.

    Rona Shulman and Thomas Lebreton had been together for six years and had two daughters before they decided to tie the knot. But they had to leave Israel to get married, because Thomas isn’t Jewish, and Israeli law does not permit marriages between members of different religions within its borders

    According to various organizations that follow these trends, some five to 10 percent of all Israeli couples today are intermarried. Like Rona and Thomas, many find that their interfaith status puts them at a disadvantage in Israeli society.

    Of the total number of marriages performed overseas, 10 percent were between Jewish men and women defined as “other” …
    7 percent were between men defined as “other” and Jewish women; 5 percent were between men defined as “other” and women defined as “other”; … 15 percent were between foreign non-Jewish men and Jewish women; and 3 percent were between foreign non-Jewish men and women defined as “other.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-why-interfaith-marriage-is-on-the-rise-1.5250507

    these trends, including trends in the diaspora

    as more and more Jewish men and women find bliss in the arms of blacks and Arabs and others..

    ..will eventually, inevitably lead to less hate. Love, as always, is the answer.

  58. Rurik says:
    @nokangaroos

    only because Trujillo declared the jungle his personal property

    then we need more Trujillos in this world

    There’s a lesson in Haiti for anyone with eyes and brains to see and think

    The planet, and our respective lands – are finite.

    There is only so much space. But humans are far too often blinded by greed or tribal hatreds, and so there’s an insane rush to fill every last niche of the ecosystem with bipedal consumer units whose collective existence equates to more money and more power for the people whose policies determine things like immigration or availability of birth control.

    As long as ‘we the people’ allow these greed-besotted scumbags like the Republican party, or Club for Growth, or Chamber of Commerce, or their hatred-motivated twins in the Democrat party, who all demand more and more and more super-prolific immigrants, then we’re also going to find out what Haiti learned, or China, when it had to implement a one-child policy, is that people’s damnable hatred and greed will be the death of every last blade of grass, until we humans evolve to see beyond our literally infinite capacities for hatred and greed.

    I’m not holding my breath for that to happen, alas.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  59. @Irish Savant

    Why do we have to prove anything?

  60. Franz says:

    Autocracy vs. Democracy?

    Pat’s got a bad case of Magic Thinking.

    Words don’t make a system, the people in charge do. There are Spaniards still living who remember the secure and honorable days of Francesco Franco. There are Americans still living who still shudder at the memory of FDR. Words called FDR a democrat and Franco a fascist. Which country had the better deal? Did the words matter?

    A junta, dictator, fascist, or even Chinese communists can make a people better off if the actions are for their benefit. When Adolf Hitler told his banks and plutocrats that they were now working for the German people, instead of the German people working for them, the system worked. So well that the parts of the world owned by bankers and plutocrats got together and crushed Germany and is still lying about what happened.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  61. Jokem says:
    @GreatSocialist

    My apologies, but I see it as a competition between systematic corruption(the USA) for the benefit of certain elites and groups, and generally good management(China) with an intense focus on improving the lives of the bulk of the citizenry.

    ————-

    Red China is about doing what is best for Red China (meaning the political elite).
    Individuals are to be sacrificed when expedient. They are practical rather then
    doctrinaire, which is why they are not going the way of the USSR.

    If the USA went back to Rule of Law and a Republic like we are supposed to be,
    with the States being given wide latitude, China would have to go back to making
    ceramic dolls and plates for a living.

  62. Incitatus says:

    “Thus did Biden frame the conflict between America and China in almost purely ideological terms.”

    How did you frame it when Dick Nixon and bon-vivant homely Henry Kissinger (world-celebrated bachelor) brokered the sellout in 1972? Was that a mistake? Give us a hint.

    “But is this really what the conflict between America and China for economic, military and strategic supremacy is about — a contest between two political systems?”

    Golly. Deep thinking required.

    Why does Trump have Chinese bank accounts? Why does he pay more tax to China than the USA? Why does plastic princess Ivanka depend on Chinese trademarks (many granted during her father’s reign) and Chinese manufacturing for her trivial products (cosmetics, handbags, apparel?)? Give us a hint. Was she (late ‘senior White House Advisor’) disloyal? Is her offshoring questionable?

    President Trump and Peter Navarro vowed to reverse NAFTA and the US-World trade deficit – especially the US-China trade deficit – jobs sent abroad. Guess what, Pat – compared with Obama’s last four years, they made it (US/World) worse by 17.87% ($518,986,000,000)! Trump sent even more jobs abroad! But, of course, you know that. Congratulations!

    Dealmaker Trump’s miracle Mexico post NAFTA? Trump/Navarro increased the 4-year US/Mexico deficit 56.7% ($131,864,000,000) over Obama. Sending even more jobs to Mexico while lying they reversed the flow.

    Well done GOP, well done Pat!

    Source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/index.html#S

  63. Corvinus says:
    @Ahem

    “As carefully and deliberately arranged by the Founding Fathers, it was designed to be an elective dictatorship from the start.”

    Citations required, please.

  64. Corvinus says:
    @Franz

    “When Adolf Hitler told his banks and plutocrats that they were now working for the German people…”

    By way of propaganda and by force.

    • Replies: @Franz
  65. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “African blacks had no notion of Time. No sundials, no calendar, no numbering system which would enable them to keep track of days past or future, no written word, no map.”

    LOL, you are a baffoon.

    https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020113/great-achievements-in-stem-in-ancient-africa

    A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations. Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events. The Dogon knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way and the orbit of the Sirius star system. Hundreds of years ago, they plotted orbits in this system accurately through the year 1990. They knew this system contained a primary star and a secondary star (now called Sirius B) of immense density and not visible to the naked eye.

    http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/Ancient-Africa/mad_nigeria_pre-colonial.html

    Whether the vigesimal (base 20) scale of the West African Yoruba people came with them from the east (perhaps Egypt) or not it was certainly present around 1000 AD during the foundation of the Oyo kingdom. The numeral system itself weighs heavily upon subtraction…

    Documentary evidence at our disposal suggests that earlier in 17th century West Africa some Ulama (scholars) of Kanem -Bornu were highly skilled in the science of Ilm al-Awfaq (the science of magic squares). By the 18th century, the Borno kingdom became the most important center of learning of Mathematics in the Central Sudan attracting peoples from adjacent areas linking this at times to the occult sciences. Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Fullani al-Kishnawi was a Falani from northern Nigeria. In 1732 he wrote an arabic manuscript on his researches on magic squares.

    “But black’s brains stop developing at the mental age of an eleven year old child.”

    Citations required here.

    “Whites, naively believing in the Christian faith that all people are the children of God…”

    What an patently anti-White statement to make.

  66. Franz says:
    @Corvinus

    By way of propaganda and by force.

    With the bankers, hints were enough. They knew they were guilty.

    But if by propaganda and force you mean the sort of thing America’s CIA, DEA, ATF, FBI, CDC and many more are doing, yes. And mostly force (although diversity and covid has given us propaganda on a scale never seen before). No government in the 30s was as bad as ours is now.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  67. @Corvinus

    A structure known as the African Stonehenge in present-day Kenya (constructed around 300 B.C.) was a remarkably accurate calendar The Dogon people of Mali amassed a wealth of detailed astronomical observations. Many of their discoveries were so advanced that some modern scholars credit their discoveries instead to space aliens or unknown European travelers, even though the Dogon culture is steeped in ceremonial tradition centered on several space events. The Dogon knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way</blockquote

    OMG dear God I almost fell out my Chair reading that, do you realize how comically and cosmically preposterous that author and you who quote him sound? No you don't you astronomic illiterate. To envisage the spiral structure of our Galaxy is such a mind boggly complex feat it's akin to gut bacteria describing the shape of the digestive system from outside, Spiral Galaxies were described by Edwin Hubble the greatest astronomer in history who spent decades collecting data from the most powerful telescopes available to him in the 1920's he also discovered to his great shock that the Milky way was just one amongst countless Galaxies by the way this spiral shape of the Galaxy was not predicted by any theory like the shape of the Earth was it just was discovered. Only in 2005 did they confirm that the shape is not a classical spiral but a bar shaped spiral(Do you have any Idea about the amount of work that went into it.) No bloody Dogon from Mali lol discovered it christ you incredulous person.

    To get back to your retarded link

    While the remarkable black civilization in Egypt remains alluring, there was sophistication and impressive inventions throughout ancient sub-Saharan Africa as well.

    Egyptians are not sub saharan Africans stop lying they have numerous frescoes where they show themselves to be not black. We have numerous travellers like Herodotus who went there and no body described them as African Africans.

    Another claim from your Dogons discovered the spiral structure of the Milky way.

    However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America

    Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal,

    brain surgery

    , skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean section, anesthesia and tissue cauterization

    To get to the real world let’s check what the first explorers who visited Africa had to say I dare you to read this book and not puke

    Archives.org has blocked it, it’s a compilation of writers who first visited Africa the book is called ‘Negroes in Negroland’ by Hinton Rowan Helper, it’s horrific mass cannibalism everywhere.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  68. @Corvinus

    Funny how no white explorer, trader, priest or adventurer ever noticed or commented upon all that African astronomy. Apparently, it only surfaced a century after any evidence of it ever having been has evaporated.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  69. @Corvinus

    ” The Dogon knew of Saturn’s rings, Jupiter’s moons, the spiral structure of the Milky Way”

    How, Corvinus?

    How did they “know of Saturn’s rings”?

  70. Corvinus says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Trigger much? The fact of the matter is that black Africans had developed calendars and a numbering system.

    “Egyptians are not sub saharan Africans stop lying they have numerous frescoes where they show themselves to be not black.”

    Strawman much? I never directly or indirectly made that claim.

    “It’s a compilation of writers who first visited Africa the book is called ‘Negroes in Negroland’ by Hinton Rowan Helper”

    A mix of fact and fiction. It is other than surprising, no different than how indigenuous folks viewed the customs of Europeans. First encounters made lasting impressions back then, especially if the cultural practices were not understood or exaggerated due to ignorance of confirmation bias. It reminds me of a line from “Gladiator” in which the main Roman character says, “I have seen the rest of the world. It is darkness. Rome is the light”. In other words, their ways of life was “civilized”, and all others were “barbaric”.

    Speaking of cannibalism, so were Europeans. Read Richard Stephen’s Charnock account (1866) from the Journal of the Anthropological Society of London.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/3025368.pdf

    “In the middle ages, it is true,” says a late writer, “these stories of cannibalism were wronderfully enlarged, and people who had not embraced Christianity were pretty generally set clown as anthropophagi. When the Lombards invacled Italy at the end of the sixth century, it was reported of them that they ate human flesh; and a century later the same aspersions were cast on the Slavonian tribes. It became the fashion to bandy the accusation between enemies; thus, during the Crusades, the Saracens said the Christians ate human flesh, as well as the unclean flesh of swine; while the Christians on their side maintained that the Saracens ate men, women, children, and were particularly fond of a sucking Christian babe torn fresh from the breast of its mother”.

    “The history of Milan furnishes an extraordinary instance of anthropophagy. In that city,in the year 1519, a woman was broken on the wheel and burnt for enticing into her house children whom she killed and salted. It seems she had carried on the practice for a considerable period. During the late well meant, and at the same time futile attempt to unite Italians, Greeks, Celts and Germans into what has been absurclly denominated ” Italian nation”, numerous instances of cannibalism have been recorded”.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  71. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “Funny how no white explorer, trader, priest or adventurer ever noticed or commented upon all that African astronomy.”

    White people back then were not keenly observant of the contributions of those civilizations that were noticeably different from them. Fortunately, that has been bred out of us. Well, not you, but you are the biological anomaly. Regardless, you got exposed. The fact of the matter is that Africa also has a thriving history of scholarship, where astronomy played an integral role, notably in Timbuktu, Mali, where thousands of scrolls and manuscripts, written in Arabic and other local languages, track scholastic endeavors of three major West African kingdoms: Ghana at around the 11th century; Mali in the 14th century; and Songhai in the 15th century.

    You’re just not that bright.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  72. @Corvinus

    Strawman much? I never directly or indirectly made that claim.

    You linked to an article that made the claim, the article in support of your Preposterous claim that the ‘Dogon of Mali’ knew about the spiral structure of the Milky Way’ a claim which which was so outlandish that I had to debunk, what’s astonishing is that you took such a claim at face value not knowing how mind bogglingly difficult it was to describe the structure of the Galaxy something settled in 2005. That same article makes other preposterous claims that these pre European discovery Africans sailed to South America and used to perform neurosurgery. It’s telling that your bullshit detector didn’t ring reading such nonsense.

    There’s an academic industry now wholly devoted to propping up the self esteem of historically marginalized groups which publishes nonsense like ‘Black Athena’ and your article is just a summary of that nonsense, see I don’t mind that exercise in spirit as I always feel that there’s more to History than just a story about powerful groups but that doesn’t mean that any nonsense like the Dogons of Mali is permissible.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. @Corvinus

    And then there’s this gem….

    “White people back then were not keenly observant of the contributions of those civilizations that were noticeably different from them.”

    Hahahahah…..stop it, you’re killing me.

    Are you kidding? I’m reading one of Burton’s travelogues even as we speak. It’s a tell-all about native African black culture, language, pronunciation guide and so on. Whites are the people par excellence who excelled in going out there and reporting back on what they found. Black people? Never happened. Show me where a black traveled to anywhere and wrote a journal that received widespread distribution back in good ol’ Africa.

    Dream on, informationally-challenged, Wakanda-delusioned dude.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  74. Corvinus says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    “You linked to an article that made the claim, the article in support of your Preposterous claim that the ‘Dogon of Mali’ knew about the spiral structure of the Milky Way’ a claim which which was so outlandish that I had to debunk…”

    A strawman on top of a strawman, followed by a red herring. My source was specifically addressing the ludicrous claim made by Three Cranes. Again, trigger much? The fact of the matter is that black Africans had developed calendars and a numbering system. That is exactly my focus. What you draw from the interpretation of the source regarding other matters is of YOUR concern, not mine. Had I further delved into that topic (‘Dogon of Mali’ knew about the spiral structure of the Milky Way), then I would have offered supporting evidence. But my overall purpose was to refute Three Cranes, which I was successful, as you and him are not even countering the facts presented (about black Africans had developed calendars and a numbering system).

  75. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “Are you kidding? I’m reading one of Burton’s travelogues even as we speak.”

    LOL, more like picture books.

    “Whites are the people par excellence who excelled in going out there and reporting back on what they found. Black people? Never happened. Show me where a black traveled to anywhere and wrote a journal that received widespread distribution back in good ol’ Africa.

    http://www.stjohns-chs.org/history/scamillo_courses/global-studies/african-pilgrim-to-mecca.pdf

    You’re just not that bright.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @ThreeCranes
  76. @Rurik

    You forgot the extirpation of the native people of Hispaniola, a complete genocide replete with hounds ripping children to pieces and other delights of Western Civilization, Inc. as seen around the world.

  77. @anonymous

    It’s a fine example of projection in Western Sinophobic hatemongering. Virtually every crime that rabid Western racists accuse China of committing, is an outrage that China has not executed, but the West certainly has-over and over again.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  78. @Corvinus

    “You’re just not that bright.”

    Well, there’s the light of the Sun and the light of the Moon. One could argue that that of the Moon is more helpful because it shines when and where we most stand in need. It is my fate to shine, like the Moon, a light into the dark places of ignorance so I guess, in that sense, you’re correct. But unlike me, you stand in the shadow of ignorance and avoid, like the plague, even the soft glow of my luminescence.

  79. @Corvinus

    Your link is to a religious tract that was written 200 years after the events described (by a guy who is claimed to have lived to the age of 125). What a joke. I suppose this is your idea of a primary source.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  80. Blade says:

    Erdogan isn’t an autocrat, he is an authoritarian but a democratic president. His power isn’t absolute, and he had to backtrack against the state mechanisms many times. I find it rather curious that he went from super nice democratic reformer to autocrat dictator as soon as he was forced to comply with Turkey’s Kemalist state mechanisms. What the US doesn’t like today is neither his style nor his Islamism, he is the same guy 18 he was years ago, albeit less naive. What they cannot tolerate is that their coup attempt failed, agents flushed out of Turkey’s state and Turkey adopted a nationalist approach. I have seen repeated examples of American diplomats talking intolerantly towards nationalists in Turkey. The US is okay with anyone ruling Turkey as long as they don’t follow nationalistic policies. The US was totally OK when their agents and AKP government arrested Kemalist officers and true patriots, even applauding Turkey. Those days are gone, and will never come back.

    Let me tell you a Turkish proverb: “the wolf survives the winter, but doesn’t forget the frostbite.” The winter is over for Turkey, and no one except the most clueless believes or trusts American extensions in Turkey anymore. If the US was rational, they’d try to figure out how to work with the new Turkey rather than how to take back the clock and both sides could benefit (though I’d argue the US presence in every corner of the world doesn’t even benefit Americans, quite the opposite. Maybe only 0.01% of society benefit from endless warfare and trillions of $ military spending). Perhaps the US could show its goodwill by stopping support to terrorists South of Turkey, and interference in Turkey’s domestic policies.

  81. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I provided TWO separate primary sources. I don’t anticipate you admitting you are dead wrong. You’re just not that bright.

  82. @Godfree Roberts

    This is a lie endlessly peddled by Western liars and racists. In fact, it is precisely minorities that the USA has targeted as Fifth Columns, to ‘..bring China down’. An enterprise on which they have expended tens of billions over decades, and created oceans of truly Evil lies. I was accosted by a Falun Gong drone the other day, expecting me to sign a petition full of lies. When I told her that, in fact, I fully supported the Chinese Government’s efforts to extirpate this Evil CIA controlled cult, she seemed unable to comprehend my refusal. She kept pointing to the other signatures of idiot Austrayans, until I had to tell her to please, go away. She was quite robotic. A ‘free’ woman living in the ‘Free World’.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  83. @Ultrafart the Brave

    How the eff do American worship equality when it is the most unequal economy in the OECD, and rapidly growing more so?

  84. @Rurik

    Merkans are the most ruthlessly and relentlessly brainwashed population in history. The dumbest and most pig ignorant, too. And most bizarrely arrogant.

  85. Democracy is great is you are a multi-millionaire residing in a gated community or a Republican with a paltry million dollars in spare cash. Apart from this—-democracy has failed the American people–brainwashcd and dumb as the day is long.

  86. @Franz

    Ours in the entire 20th century was just as bad as today. It merely laid the groundwork for what we have today. All our institutions and much of society followed in lockstep to the bottom of the swamp, the courts, cops and academia K-20 especially. Hideous. Atrocious. Ugly.

    • Replies: @Franz
  87. Awash says:

    A republic is a democracy too. There are many forms of democracy. Some of the founding fathers were talking about a form of democracy that may endup expropriating all property. But whereever there is a state democratic or not there are taxes and whereever taxes are some wealth is exproporiated, sort of. But everone benefits from public goods including the rich. They complain but they do benefit. There is no liberitarian country on earth. Democrscies are imperfect, but way better than autocracy.

    As for Ameria vs China I agree the conflict is not democracy vs autocracy even though this too matters. The key is who rules the world. Ironically and in principle this too can be resolved democratically. Let the people of the world vote on it directly or through their reps at the UN.

    Who knows they may do it democratically!

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  88. Jokem says:
    @Awash

    A republic is a democracy too.

    Not necessarily The Roman Republic was made up of Noblemen, right.

    The Senators made decisions by vote, so in that way it was a ‘Democracy’.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  89. Franz says:
    @Jim Christian

    Hideous. Atrocious. Ugly.

    That’s what our masters see when they look at us.

    In 1886 when US corporations became legal “persons” under the Constitution, real living persons were demoted. Most haven’t figured it out yet.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  90. @Jokem

    Funny definition of the ‘demos’.

  91. vox4non says:
    @George Kovachev

    Agree. Good socio-economic policies and its consequences are the foundation of a healthy society, regardless of the political system.

    Too many fall under the spell of the illusion of choice, and that has been done so skilfully in democracies.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  92. @vox4non

    The East Europeans soon learned that ‘Freedom’ under capitalism and NATO tutelage amounted to ‘democracy without choices’. As throughout the West.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  93. @Awash

    You project the Western drive to dominate onto the Chinese. They never stop saying that they do not seek global dominance, but that does not compute to Western supremacist thugs. The Chinese seek harmony, within society (and individuals) and between societies. The primary foreign policy priority for the Chinese is non-interference in the affairs of other societies, while the Western ubermenschen never cease meddling, mostly malevolently, in the affairs of the untermenschen.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Jokem
  94. Jokem says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Must be why they prop up psychos like Kim Jong Un… Harmony…

  95. A country is a landmass, nothing more. A landmass we spit and shit on. All this sentimental tosh is nothing but diatribe. All throughout human history humans have migrated to other shores for better opportunity.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  96. @Godfree Roberts

    Spirit Airlines deractors also brought up the issue of anti-Semitism and judged the behaviour of the flight attendant who forced the Eisenberg family off the plane. Is this a return to Nazism–all goys were marks but we Orthodox are above the LAW?? Minorities in USA—treated badly Pat !!

  97. Jokem says:
    @RJ Macready

    A country is the people inhabiting it. With geographic limits.

  98. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The East Europeans soon learned that ‘Freedom’ under capitalism and NATO tutelage amounted to ‘democracy without choices’. As throughout the West.

    Unfortunately the eastern Europeans have not yet learnt that lesson. Because they are unwilling to learn that lesson and face that truth they are doomed.

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