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In a diplomatic coup, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a deal last week with the U.K. and U.S. to have those Anglo-American allies help build a nuclear-powered submarine fleet for Australia.

A \$66 billion French deal to provide Canberra with diesel electric-powered submarines, among the largest defense contracts Paris had ever negotiated, was blown off.

“A stab in the back!” said Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, who had been kept in the dark on the secret talks. “There has been duplicity, contempt and lies.” Le Drian compared President Joe Biden to former President Donald Trump.

President Emmanuel Macron recalled his ambassadors to both the U.S. and Australia. In two centuries of U.S.-French diplomatic relations, no such recall had ever occurred.

What does this Australia First submarine deal mean?

Canberra, which has sought to steer a middle course between its great customer China and its great ally America, is coming down on the side of the Americans in the rising great-power quarrel.

This “AUXUS” partnership, says Beijing, will “severely damage” peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific, and Beijing is demanding to know whether Australia regards China as a “partner or a threat.”

This new clash comes as China is using its military to speak for its claims to islands and islets hundreds of miles off its coast.

Several Chinese claims collide directly with the territorial claims of neighbors who are longtime U.S. treaty allies for whose territory we are committed to fight.

China claims, for example, the Paracel and Spratly Islands and almost all of the rocks and reefs in the South China Sea, many of which are within territorial waters claimed by Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan.

China also claims Taiwan itself, 110 miles off its coast, as well as the nearby Senkaku Islands, which Japan controls and for which Tokyo appears to be preparing to fight. A Chinese-Japanese clash over the Senkakus, the Biden administration has said, will bring the U.S. in on the side of Japan.

In a recent CNN interview, Japan’s Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi said the Senkakus would be defended as Japanese national territory.

And Japan has been expanding its Self-Defense Forces, adding the latest U.S. F-35 fighters, converting warships into aircraft carriers, and building new destroyers, submarines and missiles.

Earlier this year, the Biden State Department said the U.S.-Japan security treaty covers the Senkakus and our Philippines security treaty covers Manila’s claims to Chinese-occupied islets in the South China Sea.

Message: If Manila chooses to fight to retrieve its islets from Chinese occupation and control, America will fight on Manila’s side.

Still, China has yet to back down from any of its claims.

It has sailed warships and planes to hassle U.S. and allied ships and planes in the South China and East China Seas and sent fleets of bombers and fighters into airspace on Taiwan’s side of the Taiwan Strait.

To prevent Taiwan’s independence, Beijing has said, it will fight.

Should fighting break out between China and the U.S. over these claims, the war would be about islands that are thousands of miles from our West Coast but within a few hundred miles of the China coast.

Other East Asian nations are also communicating their interests and intent through military demonstrations.

After claiming to have tested a new long-range cruise missile, North Korea last week tested two ballistic missiles. At that same time, South Korea was testing its own submarine-launched ballistic missile, becoming the first country without nuclear weapons to do so.

This past summer, there were reports that Pyongyang had restarted a reactor in its main nuclear complex at Yongbyon, suggesting that Kim Jong Un may be ramping up his nuclear weapons program.

ORDER IT NOW

And, regularly now, U.S. planes stationed in Alaska scramble to intercept Russian military aircraft. This year, the number of intercepts, 14, is on pace to set a record since the Cold War. In the most recent case, two Russian bombers and two fighters came within 30 miles of the Alaskan coast.

This summer, Russian naval vessels came within 34 miles of Hawaii.

Russian ships and planes off Alaska are perhaps responding to U.S. warships and planes in the Black Sea.

World War II began in Europe when the British, Sept. 3, 1939, declared war on Germany over its invasion of Poland to retrieve what Berlin claimed were its territories, including Danzig, taken from Germany at Versailles against the will of the people of Danzig and in violation of their right of self-determination.

If World War III breaks out between China and the U.S., it is likely to be over islands of Asia claimed by China, with the U.S. fighting not for its own territory but for the island territory of allies, probably islands in no way vital to the security of the United States.

Which is how world powers often end their days as world powers, fighting unnecessary wars on behalf of other nations.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

 
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  1. – So the Anglozios are positioning themselves for the next World War.
    What else is new? McKinder and Mahan live (and, make no mistake,
    Brexit is an integral part of it).

    The Anglozios have no “allies” in Europe nor in East Asia, only hostages;
    the sensible thing would be to kick them out of the Baltic, Black Sea, Med,
    and the East and South China Sea (and the Okinawans would no doubt
    prefer a Chinese garrison to the current rapists and murderers).

    France´s reaction is petulant and childish (almost US level), but
    Australia is decidedly unwise (i.e. their rulers are bought-and-paid-for).
    Coal, iron ore and education are major pillars of their economy –
    hell, they get the willies when the Chinese balk at their wine;
    that, and their expensive new toys (that are of no strategic use to them!)
    put them wholly at the mercy of Sodom-on-the-Potomac for maintenance
    (which as usual is no doubt unintended and wholly coincidental).

    The similarity to the war they forced on Japan is too great to allow for a different
    script – only the outcome is a bit more open.

    • Agree: Badger Down
  2. Andreas says:

    Nah…

    Open conventional warfare against China would require reinstatement of the draft.

    Even if a false flag or other “clever” jingoistic propaganda techniques could be employed to get White fools to join the military and throw their bodies into that meat grinder, the attrition rate would be awful.

    And I just don’t see the social media softies that make up today’s “multi-cultural” youth filling the void and volunteering to be slaughtered on the beaches of the islands claimed by China that have no substantive strategic importance to the US.

    China is not Afghanistan or Iraq. China will fight back. The moral high ground, sheer numbers, geography and time are all on China’s side.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
    , @Derer
  3. northeast says:

    Australia is nervous. China has become increasingly bellicose towards the island nation. Though teaming up with the USA, which is in rapid decline, may not turn out to be the best move by the Aussies in the long run.

  4. tyrone says:

    So, our “fake president” that couldn’t conduct a withdrawal from Afghanistan is going to fight a war against China.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  5. China won’t be “stumbling” into anything without a cast iron guarantee of winning. When it starts, and it will, the US is finished and the UK will be smashed and Australia invaded. The US/UK will both need scapegoats at home and the “unvaxxed” aint going to cut it as those scapegoats and white people are too large and important to attack as scapegoats especially as they make up most of the armed forces and police forces etc. If you aren’t white get out of these two countries and fast.

  6. America has no choice but confront China if it wishes to maintain its global dominance, held since the end of WWII: and China the US if it is to sustain its growing hegemony. It will be world war. But mankind has not been able to fight world wars since the dawn of the atomic age. History shows wars are fought for interests. Washington and Beijing need to realize where their true interests lie – not in conflict. For all will perish in a nuclear Armageddon.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Disagree: Badger Down
  7. Yee says:

    The US is just trying to increase tension in China and ASEAN region, to sabogate RCEP probably.

    Earlier this month, China, Japan, S Korea and ASEAN held a meeting and issued an announcement saying the goal is for the RCEP to become effective coming Jan 2022. RCEP is basically a free-trade deal for East Asia and Southeast Asia, very important to integrate Asian economies.

    The US is trying hard to stir up war in the region, and the East and Southeast Asians are trying equally hard to activate a trade deal.

  8. bob sykes says:

    However a war in the China Seas might start, it will expand to the American west coast, where the few Chinese nuclear submarines could wage commerce raiding. That would likely shut down all the West Coast seaports until the Chinese subs could be eliminated.

    Of course, all seaborne commerce in East Asia would be shut down for the duration. China has some 30% of world manufacturing, and taking that much production out of the world economy means another Great Depression. Companies all over the US and EU and Asia would go bankrupt, including Apple, Walmart, GMC…

    The subs could also carryout missile attacks on inland targets, perhaps as far inland as Denver. And the American west coast is a target-rich environment.

    Would Russia and North Korea stay out of such a war? Is it even conceivable that the war would not escalate into a nuclear WW III?

  9. @Proximaking

    China has neither the means nor the desire nor the need to invade the slave colony of Australistan. Once the Amerikastani “ability ” to defend Taiwanistan is exposed as the hollow boast it is, Australistan will swiftly realise that being China’s trading partner is far better than enslaving itself to Amerikastan even more than it already has.

  10. @tyrone

    And, what top level troops will still be available to fight dementia-ridden Biden’s war against China? Tucker Carlson’s opening last night began with Navy Seals and fighter pilots resigning rather than submitting to Biden’s vaccine mandate. Healthy enlisted men and women, many of whom have already had covid, and are thus immune from the virus, are risking court martial and dishonorable discharges rather than being human guinea pigs. There are many thousands who may soon join them. The military needs a mutiny against the idiots at the top who use them for cannon fodder in unwinnable wars against the national interest.

    Morale in the military must be dismal. I’d love to see all the Whites in the military resign en masse. Doubtless many know by now that, by fighting and dying for the Evil Empire, they are fighting for an enemy that hates them, and wants them dead after they no longer have any use for them.

  11. @northeast

    The current lockdowns of Aussie citizens by their tyrannical governments is much worse than ours. And they no longer have guns to protect themselves from the oppressors. Their decline is equal to ours – maybe worse. Like the US, they are blaming their problems, not just on the virus, but also on White Supremacy.

    BTW, very good column by Mr. Buchanan. Much better than most of them have been lately.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  12. Cking says:

    Distasteful as it all is, watching the subjugation of Taiwan, Mr. Buchanan is right; going to war for Taiwan’s independence is not in our best interest. However we have a War-for-Profit party in the USA that is unreasonably bitter over removing troops from Afghanistan. The whole idea behind the U.S.- Middle East pullout is to dedicate military formations and materiel towards Asia. A pretext for war is embedded in this Taiwan crisis. China according to our monetary mandarins at the Fed is no different than other nations, and will be slammed up against the wall for dismissing the \$Dollar based global market and US supremacy.

    These crazy people, think we can win a contest with China, and that may be so, we have the experience, but why spend \$Trillions more on war, that is a mass murder event, that robs the US Treasury, and suppresses the American people’s Main St. economy and standard of living already under stress? George Soros, who has no more respect for the Chinese nation state than he has for the United States, has broadcast his plans to accumulate land, real estate, businesses, corporations, farms, etc. in China. Primitive accumulation is not beneath this man and he has the power to move America.

    The American people, drinking the MSM cool-aid, don’t know who or where their enemies are. Always ask, who benefits? WWI and WWII were a dirty business organized by the Federal Reserve bank; but FDR saw to it that the American people benefited. Today, the USA suffers what anyone would call an invasion, for the express purpose of changing America forever, the end of the Constitutionally organized nation-state. White people, I hate that term, who contributed to the Super Power United States, provided the nation’s surplus, are being compared to the Nazi Germans of WWII deserving of their comeuppance and their place on the bottom, whatever that is. Remember German nation was busted up into pieces and 15 million Germans were annihilated. Hell, they didn’t stop killing Germans well into the 1950’s. It could happen here.

    I don’t think this war can be sold to the American people today; but I won’t underestimate the MSM, the Democratic Party, the Globalists, or the greed of war profiteers. Certainly, the threat of war, would make rational China think twice and then some.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  13. Which is how world powers often end their days as world powers, fighting unnecessary wars on behalf of other nations.

    cough*israel*cough

  14. utu says:

    Danzig, taken from Germany at Versailles against the will of the people of Danzig and in violation of their right of self-determination

    Danzig is not good analogy for Taiwan. Taiwanese are denied their right for self-determination by China. If it was not for China Taiwan would be sovereign and independent country.

    Mr. Buchanan pretends to be know-nothing isolationist. This is just a pose, a niche that he created for himself once when he was made politically irrelevant. Mr. Buchanan pretends he does not know about geopolitics and how important it is for any world power and America in particular which is the greatest world power there every was.

  15. Weaver says:
    @follyofwar

    Aussies are not in a worse position, bc they have better demographics. Guns could be 3d printed in theory.

    Pat is always noninterventionist, just misunderstood.

  16. I wouldnt count on that pledge by the US to come to the Phillipines aid if they want to retrieve the Chinese held islands; when Duterte said he was going to fight China for the islands and wanted the Americans to help he was told good luck, It is in neither China or USA interests to go to war; both nations would lose too much; war has become obsolete in the 21st century; as for Taiwan it has not taken serious efforts to defend itself because it believes the Americans will come to its rescue; instead of defending Taiwan, a bad idea; we should give it a waiver on the NPT and allow the island to become a nuclear-armed fortress; and sell them all the sophisticated weapons they can buy and then let the Chinese decide if they want to cross 110 miles of that strait and invade.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  17. Weaver says:
    @utu

    Um, what? The US tax payers fund all this bs. There is zero benefit. Cut it all. All of it.

    Every single US soldier should be brought home. I see no need for even embassies. Trade with the world, where advantageous. If China wants to waste its money, let it war with someone else.

    The US needs what, 50 billion annually for nukes, subs, missiles, and planes? Why keep more? Cut it.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  18. SteveK9 says:

    One of Patrick’s best recent columns. He often seems to be behind the times these days, but he is right on the money here.

  19. Max Payne says:

    China and the US will not be fighting a war any time soon. Maybe the financial order will let the hard liners shoot at each other for 5 minutes but after that they’ll reign it in.

    Can’t upset the American stock exchanges. Too many wealthy Chinese invested in it.

  20. Weaver says:
    @Max Maxwell

    Ironically, none of these countries defend themselves well, because they believe the US will help in their defense. Real Chinese nightmare: The US exits, Japan gets nukes, SK gets nukes, maybe even Taiwan gets nukes, maybe others too. Then, India forms an alliance with Japan or something similar.

    No US? Alliances will still form. It could happen.

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
    • Disagree: d dan
  21. Weaver says:
    @Cking

    The US would have benefitted more from WWII by staying out of it entirely. The benefit was just that we weren’t attacked. War does not help an economy.

    Germans were gang raped too. And today, they’re slowly being killed by immigration.

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @Cking
  22. @utu

    Utu, a far better analogy would be our War Between the States (aka The War for Southern Independence). The Confederacy was denied its right of self-determination by Lincoln, serial violator of the Constitution. If it was not for tyrant Lincoln, the South would be a sovereign and independent country. (There, fixed it for ya.)

  23. haha says:

    Why on earth does Pat persist in his habit of mixing in rubbish with otherwise good merchandise?
    Now you don’t have to be a genius to figure out that the “perhaps” in

    “Russian ships and planes off Alaska are perhaps responding to U.S. warships and planes in the Black Sea.”

    No “perhaps” here, it was a predictable certainty. If A pisses on B’s doorstep, it is certain that he will get his doorstep pissed on by B.

    • LOL: Smashed Squash
    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @Badger Down
  24. TG says:

    “…with the U.S. fighting not for its own territory but for the island territory of allies, probably islands in no way vital to the security of the United States.” Yes I second that – although I would delete “probably.”

    Really, the US military is no longer of any importance to the average US citizen. Our border is open to invasion from the overpopulated third world, and not only is our military not defending us, it’s actively helping the invaders in! If China sank all of our aircraft carriers it would probably kill a bunch of decent US sailors, and I would feel bad for their relatives, but otherwise it wouldn’t make any difference to me. So what? I mean, if the US military gets defeated, what’s the worst that could happen? We might get invaded???

    And while one wonders if our elitist nimrods are perhaps starting to believe their own propaganda, there is no way the US can fight a war with China. China won’t let the US do to it what happened to Serbia and Iraq and Libya etc., just sit there like a target and let the US blow up all the infrastructure without retaliating. And besides, the US hardly makes anything any more, our infrastructure is largely already in China, so that won’t help!

  25. SafeNow says:

    As I’ve said, China, with its gigantic 12,000-ton “coast guard cutters,” and flat-sided and double-hulled merchant ships, is playing at bumper boats to establish “presence.” In a positive development, The USCG conducted joint exercises with the Japanese Coast Guard, and very recently, the cutter Munro trained with the Indonesian Coast Guard. (“Munro” is iconic to the USCG and this sends a great signal.)

    Cutters are not warships. The worst you get is ramming, shouldering, and maybe an exchange of small-arms fire. This is a smart no-war way to contest presence with presence. Unfortunately, it is not expensive enough, and big money, alas, needs to be spent now. I recommend that the other branches make costly deployments to peripheral areas of the western Pacific but stay the heck away from Taiwan and the rock islands. I am only a nobody in pajamas now and have no special knowledge, but the above is what I think is the best strategy for the situation. CG close presence, and stand-off costly presence for the other branches. My last post on this stupid, dangerous issue,

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  26. US Military couldn’t beat the Taliban. Good luck with China.

    • Replies: @USA1943
    , @Rich
  27. @utu

    You are right. It doesn’t compare well to Austria either because it was never part of a unified German state prior to Anschluss.

    How about rather if Germany lost Alsace-Lorraine and Rheinland in 1871, wins it back in 1914-18 and is awarded it at Versailles. Civil war immediate breaks out between Prussia and Bavaria. Bavarians lose and retreats to Elsaß-Lothringen, but still agrees a “One Germany” position (or perhaps Großdeutsche Lösung), only disputes who should led it. Some years down the road, a party subverted by globohomo takes power and forsakes the “One Germany” position.

    Qing China lost Taiwan in the First Sino-Japanese War 1895, Republic of China is awarded it back in 1945 Potsdam Declaration. Both ROC and PRC agreed for many years on “One China”. The Taiwan passport still shows Republic of China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_passport

  28. @follyofwar

    Not quite. If Lee retreats to Cuba, but vows to “Reclaim Mainland America”. In addition insists on “One America” policy. And refused Chinese and Russian prodding to declare independence.

    Chiang Kai-shek for many years still vowed to take back Mainland, and refused Japanese prodding to declare independence.

  29. Yee says:

    utu,

    “Taiwanese are denied their right for self-determination by China. If it was not for China Taiwan would be sovereign and independent country.”

    Neither the constitution of ROC nor the constitution of PRC allows separatism. Taiwan cannot be a sovereign and independent country unless they change their constitution first.

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  30. So assume for the sake of argument that Chinese submarines start sinking Japanese warships, would the US really go to war? If China cut off shipments of goods to the US, the US economy would crater in two months. That’s how any war would unfold.

  31. @Andreas

    Yep. Talk of a draft entirely changes the domestic political calculation. Add in the spectre of casualty estimates in the range forecast for a NATO vs Warsaw Pact style conventional war and the US will certainly stay home and limit itself to selling weapons – which is after all, the best bit of war.

  32. USA1943 says:
    @Smashed Squash

    USA would EASILY beat China in a war, We did not try to win in Afghanistan, With China we would go all out and would tell China beforehand if we go to War, we will not stop until China Surrenders Unconditionally, We have by far the best trained Military, By far the Best Technology, We have a Greater will to win, Most people barely knew we were at war during the 20 year Afghanistan War, China would be huge, The lines at Military recruiting stations to fight China would be a lot longer than the ones right after Pearl Harbor (Partly because out population has doubled) as a loss to China would mean a loss of our Freedom, Americans love to fight as General George S. Patton said in his speech before Normandy and we do it better than anyone, While we have a lot of different groups fighting over political differences, if we are attacked as Pearl Harbor proved The Country comes together and we become unified, We will fight harder to keep our freedom than Chinese will to keep Communism. AS John Jay said in the Federalist Papers, A long and Bloody War unites people, and maybe that is what we need to unify Americans again, I think it will be a Conventional War, but there is always the chance it goes Nuclear, either way we win, though we would lose tens of millions in a conventional war and Nuclear will totally devastate us and we will be the winners.

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @Real Chinaman
  33. Australia is a US colony. The US overthrew two elected PMs, Whitlam using a traitor and OSS/CIA asset, Kerr, in 75, because Whitlam wanted more say over Pine Gap, and Rudd, using treacherous ‘US Embassy protected sources’ in Labor itself. Rudd had annoyed Israel by not licking their jack-boots enthusiastically enough and the USA by not being fully onboard with the war plans against China. Rudd’s successor, Gillard, our worst Labor PM so far and an advertisement for the Taliban approach to female empowerment, went wholly over to the US position, as Obama delivered the de facto declaration of aggressive intent, in his ‘Pivot to Asia’ speech, in the AUSTRALIAN Parliament.
    Austfailia became fully colonised by the USA after John Howard’s ‘Free Trade Agreement’ with the USA, which was so ludicrously one-sided towards the USA, as to be a very sick joke indeed. When our currency, the Pacific Peso collapsed in value, the Yanks bought up much of our share-market, at bargain basement prices.
    Our MSM is dominated by the Evil Empire of the American, Murdoch. Our academia seems ever more infested with Yanks, whose drawling is omnipresent on the Government owned ABC network. All public utterances regarding China are long since become negative, the few dissidents being disappeared a couple of years ago. The hysteria of the race hatred is way past derangement, with calls for war, ie national suicide, ever more common, and comparisons of China with Nazi Germany ubiquitous.
    These subs will NEVER be built. It is a scam, a way to send more tribute to our Yankee overlords, and to have really existing nuclear powered and armed US subs stationed in northern Australia, which area is to be turned into a vast armed camp. By 2040, the putative date to the arrival of these subs, China will long ago have been attacked, and, in my opinion, won, therefore we will have lost, big time. In any case, by 2040 subs will be obsolete, submarine drone swarms and who knows whatever other weapons having rendered them submerged coffins. And our bunyip Bolsonaro, Pentecostal lunatic Morrison, has declared this USUKA (you sucker) agreement ‘ a forever pact’, ie future elections here, or in the USA, now being rendered ‘inoperative’, even treasonous.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  34. @Yee

    ROC’s constitution also claims Mongolia and Tibet.

  35. @SafeNow

    Oh, I do hope China sinks the Munro first. Shove your icon where the Sun does not shine. Sounds like Munro was a brave man who lost his life needlessly in a US war of imperialist aggression, against another aggressive imperialist force. And what the fuck is the US ‘Coast’ Guard doing in Chinese waters, thousands of miles from the US coast?

  36. @utu

    Will you volunteer for your great race war against China, or are you just a racist Big Mouth? This is 2021, not 1839, and China is no longer the ‘sick man of Asia’. They will not much longer abide their country being vivisected by the Japanese then the USA. If left alone Taiwan would peacefully re-unite with the rest of China, but racists like you want to use them as a casus belli for a genocidal war against China, and if the Taiwanese become victims-stiff shit. ‘Collateral damage’ as you blood-thirsty psychopaths call it, like the children blown to burned fragments in Kabul, and millions of others.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @follyofwar
  37. Cking says:
    @Weaver

    Had FDR kept the US out of war? neither WWI or WWII could have happened without the Fed. FDR like Wilson organized WWII per the diktats of the Federal Reserve Bank, which has always organized America’s wealth, money, and credit, to wage war; what is referred to as the Central Bankers warfare model designed by Paul Warburg himself. And yes, no matter the narrative, WWI and WWII’s main objective was to destroy Germany into pieces and annihilate the German people, and ultimately destroy Catholic founded Western Civilization led by the Bolshevik Red Army, that divided Europe in two facilitating Churchill’s Iron Curtain and Cold War. War without end.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @Weaver
  38. @northeast

    The nuclear submarines the current brouhaha is supposedly all about will be delivered in the 2040s… on paper, assuming the Empire keeps its end of the bargain and there are no other delays.

    Will America still be a global superpower capable of honoring such commitments by then?

  39. Rurik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    If left alone Taiwan would peacefully re-unite with the rest of China,

    is that true?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  40. Rich says:
    @Smashed Squash

    China has been unable to take Taiwan since 1948. Until they are able to conquer what they call Chinese territory, it’s hard to take them seriously as a major military power. Look at the Russians, when the West threatened to take Crimea, they immediately sent in troops and took control. That’s what a major military power does.

  41. Yee says:

    Rurik,

    “If left alone Taiwan would peacefully re-unite with the rest of China,”

    “is that true?”

    Take a look at Macau, a former Portuguese colony, returned to China 2 years after the return of Hongkong. China’s policy for Hongkong and Macau are the same.

    Unlike US/UK, Portugal haven’t been messing with Macau politics after hand over. The city has been peaceful and has no trouble accepting being part of China.

    People in these places are the same Chinese people, but under different foreign interferences.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Thanks: Rurik
  42. mike99588 says:
    @haha

    Not worried about Russia invading Alaska, RF has the better, huge hydrocarbon and arctic transit offshore areas now. More onshore land than people know what to do with. So Putin shake his fist and farts with a few ships loitering in EEZ or our direction because we (US) do what we do? Hummpf – BFD.

    Now, China, that’s a different story. Already eating everybody’s fish and stealing territory all over. Then angrily demanding more, making “reprisals” and threats. (Some of the reprisals backfire – how that shortage of Oz coal in China’s winter going? Did Oz sell it for a better price elsewhere? Did China Xi-it themselves?)

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  43. mike99588 says:
    @Cking

    Nice export sales.

    • Replies: @Cking
  44. @mike99588

    Now, China, that’s a different story. Already eating everybody’s fish and stealing territory all over. Then angrily demanding more, making “reprisals” and threats. (Some of the reprisals backfire – how that shortage of Oz coal in China’s winter going? Did Oz sell it for a better price elsewhere? Did China Xi-it themselves?)

    Thief calling “thief”! The whites had stolen continents for their own Lebensraum. murrika and Australiar were models Nazi germany and militarist japland tried to imitate but failed:

    ‘These are the most hideous crimes against humanity- surpassing, in scale and thoroughness, even Hitler’s organized pogrom of the Jews and the Slavs. But while the whites react with anger and indignation to the massacres of their own kind, they continue to glorify and celebrate their genocidal achievements when their victims are non-Europeans.

    ‘We all should now wake up to the fact that the regimes thus established are illegal, immoral and illegitimate. For the sake of justice and legality, these criminal regimes must be abolished. Only then can a just “New World Order” prevail.’

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sinophobia-lies-and-hybrid-war/#comment-4192007

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @mike99588
  45. Reading says:

    For whom? What are they fighting for?

    The Anglo-Saxon Five Eyes had more than 100 million people fit for military service. The median age was 40+

    China because of the one-child policy. Fighting doesn’t end well..

    What Taiwan means to China is the Jerusalem of the west… Don’t use your false words to encourage your own capriciousness

    If the American empire is too comfortable on its throne and wants a game of doom… The Chinese, as aborigines, have no choice but to flee from the mountains… Then you can only enter the game.. Unity could have been demanded in name only. Can still play separately.. But I guess you guys think pinching balls is funny. And publicize their own knead up righteous…. The world is yours. As earth royalty, you won’t even give a knight the treatment… To jeopardize our nation’s future? War, war, war… Do you really see the world as a plaything you can divide by latitude and longitude?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  46. Reading says:

    You won’t find a Frenchman to cross verdensom for you this time
    The Afro-Latinos watched with delight as we went to war and cleaned each other’s rooms

    Finally, jews rarely serve in the military.. Especially at the front.

  47. Reading says:

    Mr. Pacanan. You ran for office. In the Chinese classical context, it can be called emperor selection. Is a prince.. At some point in time you’ll be a king of earth. Trillions of lives in your hands. The earth is yours now. You… Just throw out the word war like that? Well, that’s not a worthy monarch
    When the emperor of ancient China Ming Dynasty impeached the governor sent by the central government in jimi? He had his governor imprisoned heavily. He ruled peacefully for 270 years. What does that say? This shows that the emperor regarded the natives as his subjects.. The American prince was the governor of the Empire and always plundered the tribes under his rule. We should also foment unrest by dividing the fox’s pie. Famine. War. America was born of injustice. From the slaughter of aborigines to forced migration to slaves; Labor.. The savage joy of the illegal gene will end in the savage. A nation built out of injustice. Finally comes back to bite its own citizens. America’s overlords are addicted to robbery… Nothing to rob their own territory residents head.. The us empire will not die the world and its own people will not be immune to the looting of the imperial lords.. Only when the empire dies can America be reborn as a normal nation state.. Avoiding parasitic iron nematodes that coax his flesh to manipulate his crimes.. Polluting their own citizens. Put animal marks on them. A terrible crime.

    • Agree: Badger Down, nokangaroos
  48. @mulga mumblebrain

    The same is true for Korea. If not for the US imperialists determination to keep the North and South mortal enemies since the early 1950’s, they would have reunited long ago.

    • Agree: d dan, nokangaroos
  49. “AUXUS” is an excessively polite moniker.
    USUK Australia!

    It is a profoundly stupid move. Australia gets nuclear subs! What could go wrong?
    Still at least Oz can “protect” the islands now.
    Islands? Oh yeah: Chinese Taiwan, Okinawa, Kyushu, and that little Korean one. You know how important they are for Australia.

    • Replies: @Real Chinaman
    , @mike99588
  50. @utu

    Taiwanese are denied their right for self-determination by China. If it was not for China Taiwan would be sovereign and independent country.

    Unlike you, I did grew up in Taiwan as a native and did a lot of business in Taiwan to know there is no Taiwan…

    There is a Republic of China (中華民國 ) and there has always been one China. It encompasses both the mainland and Taiwan province. That has also been the US have official position since Nixon.

    I do not expect any intellectual honesty from you but you have made a new low in depravity with this wanton distortion of history. Where do you find the audacity to sprout such nonsense?

    Please Shut the fuck up, get on an aircraft carrier and come defend Taiwan if you care so much about it. It would be great to meet in person.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @utu
  51. @USA1943

    This has to be most stupid comment on Unz. I can’t decide whether you are just senile or were stupid to start off with.

    There will not be a Pearl Harbor type conventional war between US and China.

    It goes nuclear in 2 weeks, even Biden knows that.

    Nuclear superpower don’t fight wars directly, they use proxies to fight their wars. Vietnam and Korea were wars against China. China actually lost a million people during the Korean War. Blood we will pay back in kind.

    This is why expendable convicts in Australia were enlisted as next in line cannon fodder to weaken China.

    I feel sad for you that you have such a limited understanding of the world .

    • Replies: @Realist
  52. @Badger Down

    It should be just Neo KKK or ANUS.

  53. @haha

    “off Alaska”
    Why that sounds almost like “in Siberian waters”.
    Is Russia patrolling its coast again?

  54. Corvinus says:

    “Are the US and China Stumbling Toward an ‘Islands War’?”

    LOL, no. It’s called posturing. Patrick should know better than to peddle fear porn. Does anyone truly believe that China is going to invade and risk an international embargo, at best, and a nuclear war, at worse?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  55. @follyofwar

    Officers can resign their commissions at any time. Enlisted men are bound by contract, and any attempt to “resign” would result in court martial for desertion/AWOL and imprisonment.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  56. mike99588 says:
    @Deep Thought

    Actually the big fish crimes I think about involve Asia, Africa and So America that are mostly natives not very capable at policing their waters against the PLAN, CCG and maritime miltia, so far. Only Alaskan fishermen seem to feel the Chinese teeth much in the US and that probably reflects the US’s own subversion by CCP.

    I view the rearward historical projection of communist morality as self-serving hypocrisy, distortion and distraction, an “et tu” colonizer-ethnic cleansing defense at best. The US bad behavior is more a product of CCCP leftovers (Nose, neocons, neolibels), CCP, and degeneration, IMO.

  57. mike99588 says:
    @Badger Down

    Actually I’m surprised Oz didn’t go for the nuclear subs sooner.
    France probably should have tried to sell its nuclear reactor tech pre-emptively.

    Fossil fuel subs for Oz , that’s just so limited even in its own waters 40-50 years into the future, and the huge continguous area.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  58. Yee says:

    USA1943 ,

    If you want so much to fight communism, why not start at your home country?

    An Amer-indian casino is the most communism sample in the world – means of production owned by the tribe, profit shared by trible members. The definition of communism.

    Shouldn’t you clear communism in your own country before fighting it half way across the globe?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  59. ‘Democracy’ is utter BS. It’s rule via whore politicians bought and sold by oligarchs.

    The spread of ‘democracy’ has made Taiwan and SK even more servile to globalist empire.

    The only solution is patriocracy, a system that ensures that ONLY PATRIOTS enter office and serve the nation.

    So-called ‘democracy’ allows whores to enter office as willing shills of globalist money-men.

    https://voxday.net/2021/09/22/the-devils-children-fear-xi/

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  60. @mike99588

    Fossil fuel subs for Oz!

    That should go on a T-shirt.

  61. @Rurik

    Hundreds of thousands of Chinese tourists visit Taiwan, and Taiwan has tens of billions invested in China. Chinese can see how Taiwan has been Americanised, with tragic consequences, so are determined to not allow the compradore elites to sever Taiwan forever from the rest of the country. Taiwanese in China can see their civilization is restored to global eminence, so why would they wish to remain stooges of the most Evil force in history, the USA, an alien ‘kultur’ in every way, rather than their own culture, civilization and country?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  62. @mike99588

    The most incoherently stupid comment for some time. The American Paranoid Style at its basest.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  63. @Corvinus

    China is not the question. China will invade no-one. It’s the greatest force for Evil in history, the USA, that does invasions, aggressions, subversions, sanctions and genocides, that is the aggressor and the threat here, as ever.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  64. @Reading

    O Jerusalem!
    How did England lose Thee?

  65. mike99588 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Thanks for the content-free reflexive puke, Xi fan boi.

    So this is mine:
    You and ddan look like senior members of the 50 cent fan club, right among all the other CCP support toys here. Still a bunch of stinking fish thieves on diesel fuel welfare that need their boats confiscated or sunk.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  66. Are the US and China Stumbling Toward an ‘Islands War’?

    No, US is.

    US is over there, China isn’t over here.

    • Agree: Deep Thought
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  67. @Priss Factor

    Are the US and China Stumbling Toward an ‘Islands War’?

    No, US is.

    US is over there, China isn’t over here.

    Whiteman’s logic! When the whites took over North America, it proved that it was the “Indians” who were invading white men’s homesteads!!!

  68. @SteveRogers42

    I enlisted in the Army years ago, and know what you say is largely true, although, for example, those officers who graduated from a service academy or received an ROTC scholarship in college do have to honor an agreed upon military commitment. Their active service can be extended in times of war, or a declared national emergency.

    Nonetheless, I was speaking in terms of a mass opposition to vaccine mandates. If tens of thousands refused the shot, could they be court martialed en masse and all given dishonorable discharges? Would it even be possible to try all of them individually? Maybe civilian leadership would step in to put a stop to it.

    Last night, again on Tucker, a courageous high ranking Naval officer (don’t remember his name), who wrote an open memo to his superiors, stating that the national defense was being jeopardized by vaccine mandates, made the case that Biden’s reckless (and illegal) executive order is causing serious repercussions which could last for years. As he said, the military takes an oath to the Constitution, not to the president. If enough of them stay strong and hold their ground, senile Biden, who is destroying the country, will be forced to back down.

  69. Rurik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    so why would they wish to remain stooges of the most Evil force in history, the USA, an alien ‘kultur’ in every way, rather than their own culture, civilization and country?

    Sounds reasonable to me, and I know little to nothing about how the Taiwanese feel about it all.

    But postulating as to ‘why would they wish to remain stooges’?, I’d say for the same reason a nation like Ukraine wants to cuddle to the Great Satan. Money, decadence, Hollywood-type of Rap culture celebration of thugs, whores, bling, etc…

    Also, in Ukraine’s case, Russia is unrepentant for their imperial aggressions while under the Bolshevik curse in the last century. And so the Baltic states and others like Ukraine, gravitate towards the Great Satan as a hedge against their much more powerful neighbor.

    It’s a shame these nations are forced to seek refuge in a sewer, but that’s sort of how it looks to me.

  70. Realist says:
    @Real Chinaman

    This has to be most stupid comment on Unz.

    There are plenty to choose from.

    I can’t decide whether you are just senile or were stupid to start off with.

    He is a Biden protege….born stupid…now braindead.

  71. Corvinus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “China will invade no-one.”

    Right. Thanks for agreeing with mr.

    “It’s the greatest force for Evil in history, the USA, that does invasions, aggressions, subversions, sanctions and genocides, that is the aggressor and the threat here”

    Wait, I thought it was Jews. Did you miss the memo?

  72. Corvinus says:
    @Priss Factor

    “The only solution is patriocracy, a system that ensures that ONLY PATRIOTS enter office and serve the nation.”

    How does one define this term! What metrics are involved? Who exactly determines which people are patriots under those metrics? What happens if there is disagreement?

    You didn’t think this through. That is other than surprising.

  73. @northeast

    At every step of the way the rupture between China and Australia has been led by Rightwing, racist, stooges of the USA in Australia. China has been quite restrained, but in the totalitarian Austrayan MSM brainwashing cancer, reality inversion is a requirement of every novice presstitute, and 100% racist Groupthink, long gone into psychopathic hysteria, is an absolute requirement. An evil state, long gone into a psychopathic epidemic, ruled by utter vermin, now furiously digging its own grave. Historians, human if any, or alien, will laugh themselves sick when studying it. A malignant mouse, surgically attached to a dying pit-bull (somewhere near its fundament)attacking a dragon in its prime. ‘Funny’ does not do it justice.

  74. antibeast says:

    The Yanks simply don’t have the balls to start a war against a NUCLEAR-ARMED STATE such as China, Russia, North Korea, etc. That’s why the Yanks want to use the QUAD consisting of vassal States such as Japan, India, Australia, etc. against China. But with the new AUKUS deal, the Yanks showed their true colors as they simply don’t trust the yellow Japs and brown Indians as much as their ‘White’ Anglo-Saxon cousins in Australia. Even the French felt stiffed by the AUKUS deal as the Aussies cut them out from their submarine project in favor of the Yanks.

    A lot of this so-called ‘Indo-Pacific’ posturing has to do with the need for the US military-industrial complex to find new sources of revenues as their money pit of Afghanistan has now ended. That’s why the Biden Administration secretly negotiated the nuclear submarine deal with Australia, knowing fully well that the French had already signed an agreement to supply conventional submarines to the Aussies. To appease the US defense contractors who were not happy with the end of the War in Afghanistan, Biden then hastily decided to cut out the French from the submarine deal without informing them before hand. Now the French are livid that they’ve been dumped by the Aussies and the Yanks, their erstwhile allies.

    This is a classic case of the Yanks wanting to have their cake and eat it too!

    • Replies: @Cking
  75. @mike99588

    Actually the big fish crimes I think about involve Asia, Africa and So America that are mostly natives not very capable at policing their waters against the PLAN, CCG and maritime miltia, so far. Only Alaskan fishermen seem to feel the Chinese teeth much in the US and that probably reflects the US’s own subversion by CCP.

    Actually the big LANDGRAB crimes happened in the North America and Australia, where the natives were/are not capable of defending their homelands against the occupations of the whites. Only the Asians, Africans and the Middle-easterners have sufficient teeth to hold their ground and then rollback white occupations. Having saved themselves from white occupation and enslavement, the Asians, Africans, etc will have to take up the burden of liberating the homelands for the Natives of North America and Australia one day.

  76. Make no mistake about it, America is fighting for its survival in the Pacific and beyond.

    China works in millenniums, this policy of eventual world domination has been a century in the making.

    If you want to understand Chinese thought you must understand the period in Chinese history of the Waring states, Sun Tze also is a good read.

    China has already tricked the West into building its technology and industry…what has changed recently is the West has woken up, the greedy have given up our advantages.

    This is the last great battle of humanity to see who will rule globally, if America doesn’t have the stomach for it then they should withdraw from the Pacific, but be in no doubt the Pacific is only the first phase in this generational fight for existence.

    Multiculturalism has done great damage in the West, we may have already committed suicide with great swathes of Chinese communities among us, a beachhead without a fight, its the Chinese way.

    Goodluck!

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  77. utu says:
    @Real Chinaman

    Your language comes form straight from Chicom newspapers slogans. You are Chicom troll.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  78. @mike99588

    Seeing the vicious, racist, aggressive yet cowardly Yankee swine brought low would be fantastic to see,, but you’re doing a good enough job of destroying yourselves. It’s great fun watching.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  79. Weaver says:
    @Yee

    When people say they oppose communism, that’s not what they mean, of course.

    “Communism” brings to mind a tiny elite that abuses its great power over others. It also brings to mind atheism and globalism, transnationalism. An Amerindian casino is none of those things.

  80. Weaver says:
    @Cking

    Germany and Russia could have fought if they had wanted.

    I wonder if Warburg wasnt just producing an argument to get the bank. I’m late replying, but it seems to me that Hitler made some mistakes as well, but I just dunno. It seems like he should have done more to keep Britain happy.

    • Replies: @Cking
  81. mike99588 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Not me. I’ve already invested in Asia, and pressed the (willing) flesh…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  82. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    If such a war would destroy the American Empire then let it come. The tyrannical regime in the US is unconstitutional and genocidal in its intent. A war that would help force this tyranny from Eurasia and discredit it domestically is to be welcomed.

    Chinese ambitions in the Western Hemisphere, if any, can be addressed after the monsters that infest the US and other Western governments are removed. The Empire only props up the legitimacy of an illegitimate government. Right now we seem to be in an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation.

  83. The world elites have made their move.

    China has taken the bait of empire now the West elites will divide the world along the liness highlighted by George Orwell book 1984.

    We are entering the phase of super states.

    The elite of both China and the West must be brought down otherwise picture a human face with a boot in it…always.

  84. Derer says:
    @Andreas

    The US ruling elite do not care about winning or losing…in both instances the US industrial military complexes gain, in fact even more from a defeat than from victory. That is why there are much more defeats than victories. The question is, what is the American “herd of sheep” red line for standing up against insanity of sending their unemployed and high school drop-outs to far away killing fields.

  85. Cking says:
    @Weaver

    No matter the narratives we entertain. Germany was a dangerous, unacceptable rival to Great Britain’s Imperial system and war was the answer. Germany was to be destroyed into pieces and the German people annihilated. Germany could not avoid war, no matter what. Alliances, the great encirclement’, were in the making all throughout Edward, Prince of Wales, later King Edward VII’s reign. Churchill was his servant, championing war against the ‘Hun’ all the time. WWI and WWII could not have happened without the Warburg brothers, as Max was the German banker, Felix the German Intelligence chief, fund raiser in the US for European Jews, Paul went to the United States to organize the Federal Reserve Bank. All working for British Imperial/Financier interests. IMHO.

    I believe it was Felix Warburg who gave millions of dollars in today’s money to Vladimir Lenin on his way to Moscow to start the Revolution, weaken the Russian state, ensure Russia’s WWI debacle, and eventually liquidate the Royal Romanov family. Woodrow Wilson sent funds from the Fed to the Bolsheviks in Russia. FDR’s aid in all kinds of manufacture and war materiel was crucial to Stalin, the Red Army, and Soviet Russia’s survival. Bottom line, WWI and WWII could not have happened without the US Federal Reserve Bank, Paul Warburg’s ignition of national ‘mobilization of credit’; managing America’s wealth, money, and credit to wage war.

  86. @utu

    Beats being a Big Pharma troll, and thus complicit in mass murder-by a mile.

  87. @Cookie Boy

    What a truly, droolingly, evil contribution. The genocidal mania just grows and grows, among the very worst.

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