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By the end of February, the race for the Democratic nomination may have come down to a choice of one of three white men.

Two are well into their 70s, and either would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. The third is a 38-year-old gay in a same-sex marriage who would be our youngest president ever.

How is it possible, if not probable, that Bernie Sanders, Michael Bloomberg and Pete Buttigieg will be the last three Democrats standing?

Consider what the Iowa caucuses produced — after the Democrats figured out how to count votes.

Sanders won the popular vote on both the first and second ballots. As of Thursday, with 547 state delegates, he was only three shy of Buttigieg’s total. And the caucus yet to report is in Sanders country.

By week’s end, Sanders could be the declared winner of Iowa. And though he was denied the bounce he would have gotten if that news had been posted Monday night, Sanders raised $25 million in January and is running a clear first in the latest New Hampshire polls.

If Sanders, with cash on hand unmatched by any rival, save billionaire Bloomberg, wins the Granite State, he becomes the progressives’ champion over rival Elizabeth Warren and is in the race all the way to the convention.

Consider the prospects of Mayor Pete.

Even before the first returns were reported in Iowa, he declared his campaign “victorious” and left for New Hampshire. By Wednesday, after two-thirds of the ballots had been counted, he appeared to have won the battle for delegates.

By Thursday, in the latest polls of New Hampshire, Buttigieg had vaulted into second place. As of now, it looks like a Buttigieg-Sanders race in New Hampshire on Tuesday, with the big losers from Iowa — Warren, Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar — the big losers again.

If the trends do not change and polls do not shift over the weekend, former Vice President Joe Biden appears headed for another “gut punch” like the one he says he suffered in Iowa.

And Biden may not get up off the canvas after this one.

Thursday, the Boston Globe/Suffolk and WHDH/Emerson polls both showed Sanders beating Biden like a drum, better than two-to-one.

Moreover, Biden’s fundraising has fallen off, and it is unlikely major donors are going to send cash to a candidate who just ran fourth in Iowa and could run fourth or fifth in New Hampshire.

Buttigieg is the candidate whose stock is rising. He has surged to second place, just six points and 10 points behind Sanders in the two latest New Hampshire polls, while Biden is lagging a distant 13 and 19 points behind Sanders.

Now, consider Klobuchar. As a senator from Minnesota, she was expected to do well, indeed, her personal best, in the neighboring state of Iowa. She ran fifth. And though she has the endorsement of the leading newspaper in New Hampshire, the Union-Leader, she, too, is trailing Sanders in the latest polls by more than three-to-one.

ORDER IT NOW

If Klobuchar runs fifth in Iowa and third, fourth or fifth in New Hampshire, in what state does she win her first primary? And as her fundraising has never matched that of the front-runners, where does she get the money to match Sanders or Bloomberg on Super Tuesday, now just three weeks off?

Klobuchar is now in the second tier in New Hampshire, behind Sanders and Buttigieg, but right alongside Biden and Warren. A third-, fourth- or fifth-place finish would be near-fatal for them all.

As for Warren, in her battle with Sanders to emerge as the champion of the progressive wing of the party, her third-place finish in Iowa, and her expected third-place finish in New Hampshire, at best, would seem to settle that issue for this election.

Sanders beat Warren in Iowa, raised far more money in January than she did, and is now beating her two-and-three-to one in the New Hampshire polls.

So, again, the same question is raised. Is what state does Elizabeth Warren beat her progressive rival?

There are two more lingering questions.

If Biden is thrashed in New Hampshire on Tuesday, as he was in Iowa, does he remain viable in South Carolina, where he was so strong before the New Year?

Will African American voters in South Carolina stick by Biden and his claim to be “the most electable” Democrat if he has been floored twice by Sanders and by Buttigieg, and can’t seem to win within his own party?

What I wrote before Iowa seems even more true today:

“If Bernie can beat Biden two or three times in the first four primary states in February, the last remaining roadblock on Bernie’s path to the nomination could be Mike Bloomberg’s billions.”

The Socialist vs. The Billionaire. Could either really beat The Donald?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Uncle Joe’s presidential road show may be a bore and a bust, but the upcoming expose of Biden & Son International, Inc. should provide a dumpster-load of drama and comedy all summer long. I wonder how many special guest appearances there will be by the Kerrys, the Clintons, the Obamas and other nice folks Joe knows from DC.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Prester John
    , @follyofwar
  2. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes the bells are tolling—for Amy, Liz, Joe, Mike, Pete, and Bernie.

  3. melpol says:

    Age is starting to catch up to Trump. He appears to be tiring and his rhetoric is becoming repetitive. He might have to resort to energy boosting drugs which is illegal in sporting contests but his opponents might demand a doping test. Bloomberg and Sanders are also old men but they might cause Trump to become confused and disoriented. If that happens Trump will quit the debates and go into the elections based on his low black unemployment achievements.

    • Replies: @phicrappazappa
  4. The Scalpel says: • Website

    “after the Democrats figured out how to count votes.”

    Does Pat Buchanan really believe what he implies here, namely that he believes this stalling and obfuscating was unintentional? If so, Pat is a senile fool. If not, Pat is a to

    ” Buttigieg is the candidate whose stock is rising.”

    He has the full endorsement and support of the CIA

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Replies: @nsa
  5. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    A string of boxing cliches and other Beltway banalities long enough to reach the word count for another column.

  6. Biff says:

    Don’t count out the wicked witch of the west. Her trained monkeys may off them all..

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Republic
  7. If Sanders, with cash on hand unmatched by any rival, save billionaire Bloomberg

    And Tom Steyer. Like Pat, he was born in a decade that hasn’t produced a president, the only child of the ’50s in the race.

    Steyer knocks Buttigieg as he explains poor showing in Iowa

    What tartan is Tom wearing? Looks like my Sinclair tie.

    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
  8. Adrian E. says:

    Certainly, it looks less and less likely that Biden can remain the frontrunner. But does that mean that establishment Democrats will give up on him completely?

    The problem they have is that different establishment candidates appeal to different demographics. Among people with lower incomes and especially African Americans, the main other candidate apart from Sanders who has wide support is Biden. They may shift to other candidates, but Buttigieg is very unlikely to get many votes from this demographic. One of the consequences of Biden dropping out would probably be that Sanders‘ share among working class people and African Americans, where he is already supported by a majority of younger and middle-aged people, would further increase. Whether Bloomberg can get a lot of support among these demographic groups remains to be seen.

    Of course, establishment Democrats cannot continue with too many candidates for too long because many votes would not earn them delegates because of viability thresholds. But with two or three (probably better two) establishment candidates geared towards different demographics, one of them being Biden, they might have a chance to prevent Sanders from getting a majority of delegates. Even if Sanders came clearly first, they could say that a majority voted for a „moderate“ and that therefore, a „moderate“ should be nominated. It has not happened for a long time that no candidate had a majority of delegates, but because of differences with the voting system (no winner-takes-all), this is more likely to happen with Democrats than with Republicans, and in the case of a frontrunner who is opposed by almost the whole party establishment, it might happen.

    The question is how many more mainstream Democrats are likely to put up with Sanders as the nominee if he emerges as the clear leader after super Tuesday, which seems likely. If corporate Democrats have no chance of having their own frontrunner, knowing that denying a clear frontrunner the nomination (which might not even work, Sanders could get a majority of delegates), some may come to terms with a Sanders nomination. It might not be too bad from their perspective. If Sanders loses against Trump, especially if he loses big, they could use this for stopping the leftward drift of the party. If he wins, he still would not have a majority in Congress for many of his left-wing proposals. Sanders hopes that public pressure would work and that by 2022, enough corporate Democrats would be replaced by leftists, but it is far from clear how such a power struggle would end.

    There is, however, one group of influential people who is less likely to accept a Sanders nomination: the foreign policy elite, the military-industrial complex, and other parts of the deep state. As far as foreign policy is concerned, a US president can do a lot of things on his own, even without the support of Congress. Sanders does not put it as much to the foreground of his campaign as Gabbard, but his ideas are clearly at odds with the neocons. I don’t know if there is the possibility that he will be co-opted, but he seems to be less likely than Trump to appoint neocons (including Clintonite „liberal interventionists“) to influential positions. The deep state is likely to fight Sanders for similar reasons for which they fought Trump, probably even more forcefully. That Trump is relatively likely to win against Sanders is probably not enough for them because the result of the general election is hardly a foregone conclusion. Therefore, I think that in a situation where many mainstream Democrats may be prone to accept a frontrunner Sanders as the nominee, there could be forceful actions against this by the foreign policy elite and representatives of the secret services. This could be quite confusing for the large part of otherwise left-wing Democrats who bought into the Russiagate conspiracy theory and even went as far as to consider any criticism of the secret services unpatriotic.

  9. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Adrian E.

    That Trump is relatively likely to win against Sanders

    You seriously think Trump could beat Sanders? If Sanders wins the nomination I’d be expecting him to win in November in a landslide.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @ricpic
    , @Ace1
  10. KenH says:

    More beltway drivel from the Patster. Buchanan’s columns are becoming weekly beltway gossip columns.

    Every Democrat presidential candidate deserves to be arrested and thrown in prison for fomenting hatred of white people. That Democrat presidential candidates now must run against white people to be taken seriously should tell you something about their (((donors))) and their rapidly browning base.

    Don’t expect to hear this from Pat. It was always be morning in America to him, Trump and much of Trump’s base.

  11. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:

    However much money is necessary will be raised by “concerned donors” to keep as many opponents in the race against Bernie to prevent his first ballot nomination. That’s Buttgig’s and Kloberchar’s raison d’etre and they know it. Then the inner party will broker the convention and probably hand-pick the Queen of Warmongers for another go at Trump. The Dems will have their urban rust-belt machines tanned, rested, ready, well oiled, motivated and dedicated to regaining that “blue wall” of states from Pennsylvania to Wisconsin that Hillary capriciously blew off in ’16. They’ve been training for this for nearly four years and aren’t going to let Bernie get in the way of her majesty’s last hurrah. Anyway, that’s a quite possible doomsday scenario I really don’t care to see.

  12. Renoman says:

    It doesn’t matter, Trump will thrash any of the democrats.

    • LOL: bluedog
  13. BingoBoingo says: • Website

    With the Clinton’s wrecked, Biden was the only guy the Dems had who could talk to money. Mayor Pete’s their attempt to groom a new one young, but he seems just as unelectable. Probably going to alienate just enough of the minority crowd the Democrats take for granted as Hillary did.

    Trump has plenty of shortcomings, but… it isn’t hard for him to look like a giant when the competition is so poor.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  14. Antiwar7 says:
    @Biff

    You mean, of the Midwest?

  15. Antiwar7 says:
    @anon

    Unfortunately, you’re probably right, though I doubt they’d go for Hillary Clinton, with her health and tremendous baggage. They’re more likely to broker it to Warren, with Clinton as her Cardinal Richelieu.

  16. TGD says:

    Pat is still the best political analyst out there. His trenchant analysis is not available on the 4 major US TV networks and all of the cable news channels save Newsmax.

    The (((powers that be))) have conspired to deny US citizenry the chance to hear Pat.

    To quote “Dr. Stephen Franklin” of Babylon 5:

    “He who controls information controls the world…”

  17. Mr. Hack says:

    The Socialist vs. The Billionaire. Could either really beat The Donald?

    Don’t forget that The Donald is a billionaire too. I don’t think, however, that Bloomberg’s appeal as a New York Democrat has much appeal in the rest of America. Bernie ‘The Socialist” would share a similar fate as did George McGovern, the last big leftie to make it to the big show. I doubt that any millennials can even remember who he was.

    • Replies: @USA 1943
  18. iffen says:

    Wasn’t The Socialist vs. The Billionaire a game show in the early 70’s?

    Or was it a sitcom?

    Maybe a reality TV show?

    I’m old, I can’t remember the important stuff.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  19. Tulip says:

    Is it going to be the fruit or the nut?

  20. Republic says:
    @Biff

    A covent of witches led by Hillary Clinton
    Swooping down at the convention sounds diabolical

    • Replies: @Jim Given
  21. @Buck Ransom

    That reminds me. Obama was Biden’s putative “boss” during the Ukrainian transaction. What did he know and when did he know it?

  22. @anon

    I don’t think Madame will be crowned a second time. She had her shot and blew it. Nevertheless, I won’t rule it out. If it does happen I would bet a C-note that she won’t last two years, one reason being the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein.

  23. @anon

    IMHO, Bloomberg is not spending billions of dollars to knock out Sanders, just to ensure that the Wicked Witch gets yet another undeserved shot at the prize. He’s just one year younger than Bernie, so this is his final rodeo too. Bloomberg is in it to win it, and the price is no object. If the Bernie Bros don’t set fire to Milwaukee when their comrade loses, as some have promised, Little Mike is going to take out The Donald.

    After the Iowa deep state operation, (it was NOT incompetence), it is clear that the PTB will do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to ensure that Socialist Sanders is not the nominee. Remember, he already has a heart condition. Just sayin’.

    The very part-time mayor of South Bend will soon be yesterday’s news after South Carolina. Unlike suburban whites, blacks have too much common sense to vote for a homosexual.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @animalogic
  24. anonlb says:

    My 2c:(conspiracy theory warrning): Sanders will be allowed to run if he accept VP from clintonite/neocon/deep state camp. If he wins, his heart will not last long or some ‘vile trumpe/white supremacist/putin-nazi’ will save Murica from socialist plague and VP will become POTUS.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  25. @Buck Ransom

    I don’t know about that. Once Biden officially drops out, and it won’t be long, Trump’s team might be wise to drop the whole sordid affair, or at least put it on the back burner until after the election. What advantage is it to Trump’s campaign to keep hammering away at the Bidens once old Joe has given up, and is just about ready for the nursing home? Justice should demand accountability, but the general public will see it as vindictiveness, not a welcome trait in a presidential candidate seeking re-election.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  26. [Bernie] was only three shy of Buttigieg’s total.

    That was before someone uncovered the confusing Caucus Math that still hasn’t been fully corrected; this whole charade was engineered screw Bernie by ramming Buttplug down the peoples’ throats.

    • Agree: Mike P
  27. Zach says:

    A century ago anti-Semites focused their paranoia on Trotsky the revolutionary and on the Rothschild family, which used its wealth to shape European politics. It’s clear that with Sanders the socialist and Bloomberg the billionaire that we’re in a completely new world.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  28. @BingoBoingo

    Mayor Pete’s their attempt to groom a new one young, but he seems just as unelectable.

    Blacks, men in particular, simply won’t vote for Pete Buttigieg. They’ll stay home in droves, and more than a few will vote for Trump.

    If Buttigieg is the nominee, Election night will look like a Republican landslide straight out of the 1980s.

    • Replies: @BingoBoingo
  29. BingoBoingo says: • Website
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Right. I suspect Nominee Pete would be as close as the US electoral system can produce to the Labor Party’s collapse in December. I don’t know that black or latino men would vote for him. Really seems like the product of a SWPL focus group bubble.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  30. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    If it ends up Bloomberg vs Trump what we’ve got in this country will have transmogrified further from an oligarchy to a full blown aristocracy–certainly a plutocracy–where only billionaires can afford to play king. That race won’t be Dems vs GOPers, as both gentlemen have posed as one before switching to the other for simple expedience. Who will be the veep candidates? A Rockefeller and a Rothschild?

  31. trelane says:

    To vote in a democratic primary you have to be a registered democrat. This has become a serious problem. The only registered democrats today are radical-extremists. Serious problem for the “democrats”. Normal people don’t want to vote for your candidates.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  32. MarkinLA says:
    @dfordoom

    My Dad won’t vote for Sanders. That says everything.

  33. ricpic says:
    @dfordoom

    The only way Sanders would win in November is if he could energize blacks to vote for him. There’s a way for him to do that. Name Abrams as his Veep. I fully expect his strategists are already considering that move, in fact it’s likely that rumors will spread that Sanders thinks very highly of Abrams and is considering her as his Veep BEFORE the South Carolina primary.

  34. @trelane

    That is not correct as to some major States.

    In California, which offers the biggest Dem delegate haul in the country, independent voters can request a democrat party “crossover” ballot for the presidential race. I did.

  35. @Adrian E.

    I like your idea that the Deep State might be looking for an insurance policy against Trump losing.

  36. @anonlb

    Biden wrote his suicide not when he said he would have Michelle Obama as VP

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  37. KenH says:

    Bootyjudge is just a short, gay and white version of Obama. But he typifies a government bureaucrat in that he’s politically left wing, sexually deviant and hates normal, everyday Americans especially if their skin is white.

    The DNC knows that if Biden were to win the nomination he’ll commit so many gaffes, like burbling about corn pop, his hairy legs and enjoying kids sitting on his lap, among other things, that Trump would have a field day on Twitter and easily win a second term.

    So it’s shaping up to be a contest between orange Jebulus vs. anal Pete. By the time the presidential debates arrive both candidates will be vowing to crush white nationalism and improve the lives of black and brown people. White people need not apply.

    Nevertheless, Trump’s cult like almost all white base will cheer madly for a man who claims to represent them in words only, but almost never in deeds.

  38. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    And vote, ensuring that nothing will change.

    Many of them are on these threads, rationalizing that they helped save us from Hillary and WWIII in 2016. For the last three years, the relatively astute have said, “If he does ____, though, that’s it.” But when he does, they just swap in a new ___. Or, they dream, perhaps in his second term, Trump, Barr & Durham will unleash all those long awaited indictments of the Deep State, allowing the army of patriots to drain the swamp, restore the republic, …..

    People refuse to see that their participation in the process is worse than useless — it is what keeps the Establishment in place.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  39. @follyofwar

    By “the general public” do you mean the MSM?

  40. @BingoBoingo

    “Really seems like the product of a SWPL focus group bubble.”

    Maybe, if you believe that there is actually an opposition campaign being planned by the DNC. My view is that the two parties take turns at 2 terms in the White House, and the reelection of the incumbent is a foregone conclusion by both sides. Why else would the party supposedly opposed to the incumbent or whose turn it is to stand down for two terms, always, without fail, run an unelectable turkey who can’t even get the votes of all the party’s koolade drinkers?

    When GW Bush had his second term coming, the democrats ran John Kerry, who wasn’t even familiar to their base, and was unable to give a speech without coming across as a rich, entitled asshole. When Obama had a second term coming, the GOP ran Mitt Romney, who was widely viewed by the GOP rank and file as one who may as well have been a democrat.

    When it was the GOP’s turn to get two terms in the White House, the DNC ran the most widely despised candidate available, Clinton. So did the GOP when it was the DNC’s turn with Obama, they ran a certifiable lunatic, McCain. I think the democrats are going to put in the worst possible candidate, simply because it’s still the GOP’s turn at bat.

    Nothing else makes any sense to me.

  41. nsa says:
    @The Scalpel

    “ButtFudge is the candidate whose stock is rising”
    Pete goes from bottom to top? Time to get behind Pete? Pete is licking the opposition? Will Sanders top Pete in New Hampshire? So many questions……..

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Ozymandias
  42. @Bill Jones

    Not sure about that.

    If Biden keeps hammering that point and M. Obama doesn’t disclaim the possibility of running as his Veep, the mindless and often monolithic african vote will likely turn out more for him in upcoming primaries where Africans dominate the dem party, such as Georgia and South Carolina and most of the South.

    And don’t be too sure that the foolish self-hating white lefties and the white-hating Africans won’t put the dem ticket over the top if she’s on it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  43. @Zach

    Those who had the stomach to listen to the recent Democratic debate would have heard Sanders say he had “six million” individual contributions.

    Hmm–I wonder where he came up with that number.

    You can’t make up this stuff!

  44. @nsa

    I just can’t swallow all these rude and unwholesome puns.

  45. @Twodees Partain

    You know what, Twodees, I’m starting to view your theory as more plausible. Creepy.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  46. Jim Given says:
    @Republic

    So we’ll have the election hall filled with winged flying monkeys, Hillary cackling insanely and Elizabeth Warren (as Dorothy) standing there cowering?

  47. Zach says:
    @Adrian E.

    Everyone seems to forget that Sanders will be 79 in 2021. He’s pledged that his VP would not be just another white guy. In other words, the president in 2022 may be Stacy Abrams.

  48. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zach

    It looks like Sanders is trying to be President while the rest of the field know that they’re token opposition to Trump..
    On that basis, Abrams won’t wreck her chances in 2024 by helping Bernie out now.

  49. @RadicalCenter

    If Biden keeps hammering that point and M. Obama doesn’t disclaim the possibility of running as his Veep, the mindless and often monolithic african vote will likely turn out more for him in upcoming primaries where Africans dominate the dem party, such as Georgia and South Carolina and most of the South.

    He is probably just playing them for the primary.

    The wiser move is to go for independents and conservatives with the vp pick.

    But Biden seems to believe a lot of liberal fiction about racial inequality all being the fault of Whites. He might truly believe that a Black woman deserves the spot and that choosing a conservative White male would be an affront to the cause.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  50. @KenH

    So it’s shaping up to be a contest between orange Jebulus vs. anal Pete.

    No way in hell the DNC will allow that.

    He will lose traction in the southern states and even if he somehow didn’t the DNC would put their superdelegates behind Biden or Bloomberg.

    Pete is just in it for the spotlight and maybe a VP chance. He is probably surprised that he made it this far.

  51. @RadicalCenter

    I have to admit that it creeped me out when I first thought of it, but it has turned out to be the closest I’ve ever come to making sense of the show.

  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @KenH

    Nevertheless, Trump’s cult like almost all white base

    It is very cult-like isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  53. @nsa

    I heard today that Bernie is fighting off Pete’s advance.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  54. @dfordoom

    Similar cults of personality have grown up around other politicians. Bill Clinton had a pretty deluded cult following and so did W. Obama’s cult is the most deluded since FDR’s, though I don’t think that FDR’s cult will ever die out.

    It seems to me that some people pin their hopes on a politician and become fans, just like fans of actors or singers. It would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic.

  55. @Adrian E.

    “Democrats may be prone to accept a frontrunner Sanders as the nominee, there could be forceful actions against this by the foreign policy elite and representatives of the secret services. ”
    “forceful actions” could be an understatement. Were Sander’s even to appear to be riding a wave to the nomineeship I think the dirty tricks will come out. Look at Iowa: the first primary and the DNC is already playing dirty. The hope is that the DNC in their arrogant corruption will employ a dirty trick of such a magnitude that even the MSM can’t /wont cover it up. We can only hope, but maybe they’ll go so far that the party will implode.
    Alternatively, maybe Sander’s does win the nomination. Will the DNC support him or simply let Trump win? Again, hopefully they act so badly they implode.
    Finally, maybe Bernie wins in November — wow, cat amongst the pigeons time. The establishment will go BALLISTIC. i’ll be taking bets on how long before the first assassination attempt.
    If Sander’s wins (& doesn’t do an Obama — which I think he would) then it’s all (other) bets off — sky’s the limit for craziness & corruption — fun-fun-fun!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. @anon

    God — could they be THAT INSANE as to return to HC? Surely they’d go with the Billionaire or the CIA nominee?

  57. @follyofwar

    A homosexual with all the character & charisma of a piece of sliced white bread.
    Trump would simply maul him.

  58. @anonymous

    Correct.
    I maintain, at this historical point, the only way US citizens can attack the State is to be very organised & very publicly declare that they will NOT vote at all because neither party represents the interests of the 90%. That the whole system is monumentally corrupt & that it must radically change.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  59. @Zach

    If the thought of a Sanders-Abrams ticket doesn’t scare self-hating white people away from the democrat party then nothing will.

  60. @animalogic

    Perhaps, but do thugs and thieves like our government and political aspirants even get ashamed or embarrassed?

    Even if all whites stopped voting, almost all Africans and many other nonwhites would not suddenly be reluctant to vote to take the rest of our liberties, property, and safety through any brutal and degrading means they can.

    Now if people stopped paying taxes, that might have an impact. But that requires millions of people doing it all at once. Otherwise the felony prison sentence is quite a deterrent: “you go first and tell us how it works out” would be most people’s attitude.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  61. @Zach

    I thought that as well, and of course there is a good chance sanders could die during his first term. But the likelier scenario is that he would live through the entire term.

    Sanders would turn 80 in September 2021, the first year of his first term.

    On one hand, life expectancy seems to be generally slightly declining in the USA now — and will presumably decline more if the morbidly obese people of this country don’t change their (our) suicidal dietary habits and sedentary lifestyle.

    But the life expectancy for an 80-year-old man is still around 8 years according to the social security administration.

    On the “other other hand”, that might not be the case for a man of that age with heart-attack damage.

    Either way, Sanders or any of these candidates with a dem majority in both houses of Congress is a frightening prospect, whether he dies and is succeeded by an even more white-hating Veep or not. Then again, four more years bringing in 1 to 1.5 million low-skilled and culturally/racially indifferent or hostile immigrants every year is pretty scary too, and that’s what Trumpstein is delivering.

    If we don’t stop the mass immigration and get normal loyal Americans having more children, esp. European-Americans, someone like Stacey Abrams will get into the White House fairly soon anyway, as Veep or even as President directly.

  62. @Twodees Partain

    If there is such a deal between dem and repub parts of the elite, will demographics allow the Democrat part of the establishment to stop abiding by the deal?

    Soon they won’t need to offer candidates who even pretend to protect the rights and interests of white Americans and traditional US Citizens generally, or simply like trump pretend not to hate us and our culture.

    There’s already no need for that pretense in our most populous State, California, and the fourth most populous State, New York, is not too far behind. The hatred and desire to hurt and subjugate us is coming out in the open more, and the gloves are coming off.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  63. Ace1 says:
    @dfordoom

    No way the country votes in a communist.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  64. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Soon they won’t need to offer candidates who even pretend to protect the rights and interests of white Americans and traditional US Citizens generally…”

    Remember, the “traditional U.S. Citizen” had been WASPs. But the infiltration of Eastern and Southern Europeans forever changed that designation.

    “The hatred and desire to hurt and subjugate us is coming out in the open more…”

    What about those white people who disagree with that assessment? How do they fit in your worldview? Must ALL white people abide by your command? Why?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  65. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    Even if all whites stopped voting

    But they wouldn’t. The number of whites who are so seriously alienated from the political process that they would even contemplate the idea of suddenly refusing to vote is very very small.

    There are plenty of whites who are perfectly happy with the way things are going. Elites whites are doing fabulously well. Upper middle-class whites are doing just fine. Some lower middle-class people are doing OK. Liberal whites are not going to stop voting. Mainstream Republicans are not going to stop voting. Christians are not going to stop voting.

    So what we’re really talking about is the possibility of a voting boycott by a handful of disaffected right-wingers. Maybe one or two percent of the population? No-one will even notice.

    “Whites” do not exist as a monolithic voting bloc and they never will. The only people who think in terms of “whites” as a coherent identity are a small number of people on the far right. “Whites” on the whole do not think of themselves as whites.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  66. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ace1

    No way the country votes in a communist.

    Nobody, apart from a handful of ageing Cold Warriors and rabid far-rightists, thinks Bernie is a commie. Normal people think he is what he appears to be, a moderate centre-leftist.

  67. USA 1943 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    They probably know who George McGovern is, because he is mentioned in a famous song, that is still often played on the radio. https://genius.com/Charlie-daniels-uneasy-rider-lyrics

  68. @Corvinus

    No. I merely hope that they will come around to something approximating my viewpoint and positions.

    Must all people “abide by” your viewpoints because you express them? Of course not either.

    By your “logic”, anytime one expresses an opinion, one is demanding that others “abide by” it. Doesn’t even make sense.

    In any event, your comment does not attempt to address the substance of what I said.

    My Southern European and Eastern European ancestors did not break any laws of this country in immigrating here long ago, nor did they come in secret, so “infiltrate” is a facially inapplicable word choice and an untenable accusation.

    If you don’t like southern or Eastern Europeans or don’t want any people with such genetic or cultural background in the USA, that’s odd and ill-considered, but good for you, knock yourself out. But that doesn’t allow you to fabricate charges like millions of such decent people “infiltrating” by openly and legally (and gratefully) settling here as allowed by American law when they came.

    As a final thought, what would you do about, and how do you feel about, the TENS of millions of White Americans who have ancestors both from Eastern or Southern Europe and from Northern and Western Europe. Because that describes me and many Americans of my acquaintance — and of ANYONE’s acquaintance who has traveled the country widely, lived in a variety of regions of our country, or for that matter even attended most universities or served in the US military. I know many people who have ancestry from every region of europe, and it would be unusual if you don’t. Perhaps you need to get out and around our beautiful country more.

    Other than English, which Western European or Northern European languages do YOU speak, by the way? Maybe we could be pen pals. I’d like that. Bis bald….

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  69. @dfordoom

    That’s truer than it should be, and it had better change.

    Of course I don’t expect all or most white Americans to stop voting as a protest or to send a message. Didn’t say that I expected it. In fact, I didn’t even say that I WANTED us to all stop voting either.

  70. @dfordoom

    I’m not that old and I’m hardly far right, if you must stick to the left-right nonsense, yet I don’t consider sanders a moderate by any stretch of the imagination.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  71. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    How marvelous, I see you are using the proper Maltese pronunciation of Mayor McCheat’s name. You know, the word “buttigieg” literally means “father of chickens” in Maltese. In order to father chickens, one would first have to…

  72. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    If Sanders has the nomination blatantly stolen or if the DNC conspicuously sits on its hands to aid the re-election of Trump, I predict that the Bernie faction of the party (its left wing, the only genuine liberal element remaining) will formally split off into a new third party. If Sanders appears to lose fair and square, I suppose his followers regroup and look for a new champion within the party, because a Dem party split will give the GOPers dominance in American politics for a long time to come (assuming they don’t also fall victim to internal divisiveness). If Sanders is elected (because Trump self-destructs or the Dems uncover or fabricate some scandal to embarrass him), I do fear for his life. When American spooks meddle in American elections (as they incessantly do) they (unlike the Russkies) play hardball. Just ask JFK or RFK. If they let him live, there is NO way a President Sanders gets any of that progressive agenda he spouts on the campaign trail passed through a solidly right wing warmongering bipartisan War Party. The teabaggers will be back with a vengeance. Perhaps Sanders even gets impeached and convicted by the Senate. Perhaps Vice-president Hillary Clinton (forced on the ticket by the DNC) then assumes the presidency. What will that then precipitate? How “interesting” can the times become?

  73. I find it amusing how the MSDM (main stream democrat media – which is what it is), has removed Tulsi Gabbard from the face of the earth. I guess she committed the Cardinal sin by pointing out the truths of the Queen of The Demonic Democrats, Hillary Clinton. Even though still a liberal nut, she is the only candidate that made any valid points about anything.

  74. @melpol

    Yet the rallies continue, the press eviscerations continue, the judges keep being nominated and appointed, The Country as a whole continues to win. Keep up your wishful thinking. See you in November.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  75. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    “If Sanders has the nomination blatantly stolen ..”

    Is “blatantly stolen” not what happened in 2016? Why did what you foresee not occur when Mr. Sanders was superdelegated, gave Mrs. Clinton a free pass on her emails, and endorsed her after it was revealed that the DNC rigged the debates?

    Your use of “teabaggers” and “right wing warmongering”suggests that you’re a smug Progressive(tm) who will stick with the Blue sheep, as will the Red with Mr. Trump.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. @dfordoom

    You have a child like understanding of the far right. More reading and learning on your own, and less dependence on being told what to think by the Jewish media is the way forward my friend.

  77. @Anonymous

    As my dear departed father would have said, no matter which warmongerong surveillance-state creep is the Veep nominee, “Sanders had better get a food taster.”

  78. @phicrappazappa

    If you travel around the country, it doesn’t seem that the whole country is winning. At all. I’m glad trump won instead of the explicitly anti-white open-borders Dems, but tens of millions of regular people of all backgrounds are struggling with little hope on the horizon. I mean good people who always try to work, not malingerers.

  79. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    I suppose Bernie and his followers did not break with the party after what WAS blatant theft in ’16 because they were foolish enough to presume that he would be rewarded by Clinton with a cabinet post when she “won,” which they took for granted would happen like every analyst in the country, including the illustrious Nate Silver. He still wanted a say in government after the election rather than being totally shut out from power which would have happened if he had run third party at that particular moment in time. It was self-serving strategy based on the conventional wisdom of the day, duh! You wouldn’t respect him a whit more if he had taken a self-destructive path. Now, sticking with the self-destructive Dems would seem to be the losing bet for sure.

    The teabaggers and the birthers were just as outrageously amusing at that time as the shifty Schitt coup plotters have been today. Both are loads of fun to ridicule and both unwittingly work to support the same status quo. The absurdity of the “blue sheep” supporting the likes of Hitlery and the bozos you see running today in her place has caused me to break with them several years ago already. I’ll tell you a secret, though it spoils my “impartiality”: I actually voted for Trump. Those lunatic Dems are a greater present danger. I’ll vote for a third party if one ever forms that has a ghost of a chance of actually winning an election.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @RadicalCenter
  80. nsa says:

    Bolshie Bernie will easily top Pete ButtFudge in New Hampshire while Boomer Biden takes the long view and plans to stick it out. Wampum Warren has stated repeatedly she is not capable of an erection……of a wall. ADL Amy promises to lick Wampum Warren in New Hampshire and then peg Pete ButtFudge on his positions until he squeals CIA secrets like a pig. All promise to get behind Pete ButtFudge if he is the nominee. Sexist Bernie has accused all the females of not being able to rise to the occasion…..but admits that at 79 he also has trouble rising to the occasion. This presidential race is proving to be very stimulating……

  81. anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    and they are ALL JEWS (not white)…next the USA will have the Knesset, in Washimgton DC…Sanders is a closet communist old feeble, sick and outdated, Mayopr Pete is an empty frame, a mayor that was elected with less than 15% of the registered voters of whom only about 30% voted in other words Mayor Pete was elected with 15% of the 30% that voted…in other words about 3K votes or less of the total registered voting population….not to mention last minutes “litigations” to expelled his best opponent…Mayor Pete built his admisntraion by dispossesing poor blacks of their homes…for gentrification,,,Bloomberg is the best card fro the DEMs but he is a Plutocrat…that comes up with weird solutions, like prohibiting sugar drinks…what? is that your big idea????

  82. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    “It was self-serving strategy based on the conventional wisdom of the day, duh!” Pffft. Anyone who would have served in a Clinton cabinet had no intention to change a thing.

    And notice that you can’t help but parrot some more “teabaggers and birthers” condescension. That confirms that you’re divided & conquered, slugging it out at the ballot box with people that call you “SJW and prog”while the politicians laugh at all of you behind your backs.

    “I’ll vote for a third party if one ever forms that has a ghost of a chance of actually winning an election.” Ah, don’t want to “waste” your precious vote, eh? Can’t you see that this qualifier to only voting for an alternative that might prevail ensures that none ever will?

    If you’re not willing to renounce voting, at least register some dissent — send the Establishment a message that you’re no longer going to root in a Red v Blue puppet show.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  83. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “No. I merely hope that they will come around to something approximating my viewpoint and positions.”

    Great to know, although there are occasions where it seems that is not the case.

    “By your “logic”, anytime one expresses an opinion, one is demanding that others “abide by” it. Doesn’t even make sense.”

    That would be a strawman on your part.

    “In any event, your comment does not attempt to address the substance of what I said.”

    Actually, it does.

    “My Southern European and Eastern European ancestors did not break any laws of this country in immigrating here long ago, nor did they come in secret, so “infiltrate” is a facially inapplicable word choice and an untenable accusation.”

    I didn’t say YOUR ancestors, I said Southern and Eastern Europeans, at least according to WASPs. **The Slavs, Poles, and Italian** were viewed by “Heritage Americans” as coming over to America with hostile intent. Then, in hypocritical fashion, some of the offspring of those groups** have the same level of disdain as Kenyans and Guatamalans. It’s as if you are trying to whitewash a part of history.

    “If you don’t like southern or Eastern Europeans or don’t want any people with such genetic or cultural background in the USA, that’s odd and ill-considered, but good for you, knock yourself out.”

    Another strawman. Of course, you do realize that those two groups were believed by WASPS to NOT be of a similar genetic and cultural background. So how did they change? Magic Dirt, anyone?

    “But that doesn’t allow you to fabricate charges like millions of such decent people “infiltrating” by openly and legally (and gratefully) settling here as allowed by American law when they came.”

    Are you suggesting that the WASPs were wrong in their assessment?

    “As a final thought, what would you do about, and how do you feel about, the TENS of millions of White Americans who have ancestors both from Eastern or Southern Europe and from Northern and Western Europe.”

    As I’ve been told before, we should go back. OR, if you prefer, we should have created a better there and not come over here.

  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    I’m not that old and I’m hardly far right, if you must stick to the left-right nonsense, yet I don’t consider sanders a moderate by any stretch of the imagination.

    So when Sanders gets elected what do you expect him to do that will mark him as a non-moderate?

  85. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If Sanders has the nomination blatantly stolen or if the DNC conspicuously sits on its hands to aid the re-election of Trump, I predict that the Bernie faction of the party (its left wing, the only genuine liberal element remaining) will formally split off into a new third party.

    Thus consigning themselves to permanent political oblivion. Why on earth would they do that? They’d have to be utterly insane.

  86. @Anonymous

    Great comment and analysis.

    I’ll just suggest that third parties won’t be perceived as a realistic option until and unless we actually vote for them by the tens of millions. So let’s do it.

    I haven’t found any suitable third-party choice for me this year yet. But anyone who lives in a slam-dunk State where one of the old parties is sure to win big, should not even consider voting for trump or the democrat. Since I live in California, the ultimate safe-Dem State, I will never vote for a repub again while I’m living here.

    I certainly don’t want to vote Green or Libertarian, but I will write in someone or even vote for one of those schmucks before i vote trump (and Dem was never an option for me in the general election). We need TENS of millions of votes in states like mine going to people other than the dem or the republican.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  87. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    I’ll just suggest that third parties won’t be perceived as a realistic option until and unless we actually vote for them by the tens of millions. So let’s do it

    To be perceived as a realistic option a third party would need a very very high-profile leader. And a leader with Trump-like charisma. Or with the massive grass-roots support of a Bernie Sanders. Plus lots of money.

    The big problem is that Trump and Sanders are seriously old and neither has an obvious successor. Where are the young political mavericks?

  88. @Anonymous

    If bernie is cheated out of the nomination then i would like to hope he would form a “third” party. He should be gently implying/threatening this now. But, i’m afraid he lacks the guts. Imagine tramping around, supporting HRC after what she / they did to him…(only excuse i can think of is he wanted to keep his 2020 options open. That no longer applies — i cant imagine him running again in ’24. And the ever ready “never trump” excuse. Never mind that the DNC would rather trump to bernie).
    And, yes, if by some miracle he did win, i would be worried about his continuing good health….

  89. @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t Steyer the one running all these TV commercials touting “Global Warming” as the most important issue we face? Who seriously believes this? These health care plans the democrats are proposing are enormously expensive and we will need cheap oil to try to keep the economy going after implementation. Global Warming Crackpotery would absolutely kill the economy by making energy very expensive. How many black voters even care about the Global Warming Hoax? Do the brothers really want a president who will take their Cadillac away and force them to buy an 80 thousand dollar Tesla?

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