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In Afghanistan, the mission failure appears complete.

The trillion-dollar project to plant Western democracy in a Muslim nation historically fabled for driving out imperial intruders has crashed and burned after 20 years, and the Taliban are suddenly back in power.

After investing scores of billions in training and arming a force of 350,000 Afghani troops, the U.S. could not stand up an army and a government that could survive our departure.

And the final U.S. departure from Hamid Karzai International Airport may become, like JFK’s Bay of Pigs, a synonym for American debacle.

Nor is the failure ours alone. Many of our principal allies were heavily invested. The British are now attempting to bring their people out of Kabul under the same conditions as ours.

The leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party and possibly the next chancellor of Germany, Armin Laschet, calls the withdrawal “the biggest debacle that NATO has suffered since its founding.”

Three decades ago, after the breakup of the USSR and the end of the Cold War, Republican Sen. Richard Lugar said that NATO, having lost the rationale for its existence — containment of the Soviet Union — would now have “to go out of area or go out of business.”

Cynics might say that, in Afghanistan, NATO did both.

After 9/11, “the most successful alliance in history” invoked Article 5 and backed the U.S. war to oust the Taliban and annihilate the Al Qaeda terrorists who had carried out 9/11. Many sent troops.

But there could be worse to come.

While there are about 4,000 U.S. troops at the Kabul airport, U.S. control does not extend beyond the airport perimeter.

When asked if U.S. troops could enter Kabul and extract American citizens, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin replied, “I don’t have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into Kabul.” Americans in Kabul and other cities must make their own way to the Kabul airport.

The U.S. thus depends today upon the sufferance of the Taliban to let the Americans through the gridlocked highway. Many Afghan allies are being impeded and turned back. Having aided our troops during the war, these Afghan allies face murderous reprisals and retribution.

There are other present perils.

A few mortar shells landing on the tarmac of the lone runway at HKIA, and no plane can fly in or out until the runway is repaired. The arrival of troops and supplies, and any daily departure of 5,000 to 9,000 people, would be halted.

If fighting is renewed, the Americans left in Kabul and other cities become hostages to the Taliban. And there are many more out there than the 52 Americans held by Iran in the hostage crisis that ended the presidency of Jimmy Carter.

The U.S. does, however, retain leverage. U.S. airpower can still do damage to the Taliban, and the U.S. can veto any International Monetary Fund money and cut the Taliban’s access to Afghanistan’s financial reserves in U.S. banks.

Without cash, the Taliban will have a hellish time providing for the necessities the country needs to stay viable.

Right now, the Americans and the Taliban need each other. The Taliban need time to consider their control, and the Americans need time to get their people and their Afghan allies out.

Thus, the Taliban are putting on a moderate face at the top level.

Yet, given the character of the Taliban, as revealed in its previous tenure, and the desire for revenge against those who have been killing Taliban comrades, the future looks grim for those left behind.

ORDER IT NOW

When Saigon fell in 1975, its armed forces went into re-education camps — concentration camps. Hundreds of thousands of civilians fled on rafts, many to their deaths in the South China Sea. The Cambodians who backed us underwent a genocide, with a fraction of the entire population annihilated by the Khmer Rouge of Pol Pot.

As for the damage done to Joe Biden’s presidency, it is significant and permanent. The collapse of the regime, and the botched withdrawal of U.S. troops, U.S. citizens and Afghan friends and allies, have tarnished any reputation for competence Biden had.

As for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley and Austin, it is hard to see either surviving long in their positions after learning they did not see coming the imminent and worst foreign policy debacle since the fall of Saigon.

Did the U.S. intelligence agencies see it coming? Did they fail to inform the Pentagon or White House?

After the Bay of Pigs in April 1961, former CIA Director Allen Dulles, who had a role in the failed invasion, was, after a decent interval of six months, cashiered.

One imagines that senior Biden officials’ heads will roll well before that date in the Biden administration. For in this disaster, it seems, no one saw it coming so soon, or becoming so sweeping.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. Wokechoke says:

    This was a clear cut war for Zionists. The Taliban put their finger on it. The hysterical reaction of the press against Biden’s retreat order proves the point. The upsetting thing is that the worst elements of the GOP stand to gain from this sensible evacuation order freeing the country from an unwinnable occupation.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @cassandra
  2. I think I must submit a very important correction. Contrary to recent statements by both Austin and Stoltenberg, NATO most cerrtainly DID NOT go to Afghanistan under Article 5 provisions. This is, to say it in plain terms, a flat lie.

    Activation of Article 5 was indeed offered by NATO after 9/11, but it was immediately rejected by the US Administration, because it would have made its war plans against both Afghanistan and Iraq subject to Alliance’s discussion and approval. NATO’s original Afghanistan mission (ISAF) was rather formally under a UN mandate to train and assist Afghan defence and security forces.

    The above does not, of course, impinge on this debacle having disastrous consequences for NATO’d credibility along with the US’.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
  3. US military: Clueless corrupt generals in charge of homo hordes, tranny troops, and woke warriors… all taking orders from the neocon wing of the tikkun olam tribe.

    I’m sure that China and Russia are quaking in their boots.

  4. The last five paragraphs (“As for the damage done to Joe Biden’s presidency, […]”) once again reveal that Mr. Buchanan sees everything through a prism of Red+Blue politics. That’s the casualty count

    One imagines that senior Biden officials’ heads will roll […]

    that really matters, not the “Afghan allies” and “our troops” cannon fodder being reloaded for the next Most Important Election Ever.

  5. Three words: Public forensic audit.

  6. billb says:

    Afghanistan’s future would look bright if NATO (and Modi’s India) would get out and stay out. They have negotiated mutually acceptable terms with all the major regional actors including Russia. They can put a lid on the terrorism and the surging opiate production that has harmed Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan.

    There is adequate economic reason for rapid economic development, including new superhighways, rail, mines pipelines, and the accompanying infrastructure such as schools etc.

    I think Pat is correct that things likely look grim, but not for the reasons he can publicly talk about. Look for ISIS to make an appearance. And there will be a lot of negative propaganda in the West.

    The country’s financial assets including their gold reserves held outside the country (6 months of GDP, so imagine \$10 trillion taken from the US) have already been stolen and the scheduled IMF payments blocked by the US so they will be in economic distress and possibly short of food without massive outside help.

  7. @Wokechoke

    Except for Tucker Carlson, I can’t stand to watch Fox News anymore. The knuckle-dragging war lovers like Hannity, and his rabid neocon guests, are out in force, claiming that those who sided with the US will be tortured and slaughtered by the victorious Taliban.

    Maybe they will. Maybe they won’t. Many surreptitiously worked for the Taliban anyway, and “fragged” American soldiers. That may explain why the Taliban won without opposition, as the Afghan army laid down its weapons. Why would they fight for Americans who killed their families with drones, and left in the dead of night like cowards?

    Maybe the Taliban are not quite the monsters that they are painted on cable TV. Maybe they won’t seek reprisals on the Afghan army if they pledge fidelity to them. They said they wouldn’t. It’s certainly bad optics to slaughter your fellow citizens after the war is over and you’ve won. Maybe they’ll allow the American civilians, who are currently stuck there, leave in peace. If they hold them as hostages, it will invite another round of US bombing. The war would not be over.

    I really don’t know if the Taliban are all horrible men, like CIA-created ISIS. They destroyed the Afghan poppy field while in charge. One thing I know is this: I would never believe anything the jingoistic mainstream media reports about the Taliban.

  8. Yee says:

    “When asked if U.S. troops could enter Kabul and extract American citizens,

    The U.S. thus depends today upon the sufferance of the Taliban to let the Americans through the gridlocked highway. Many Afghan allies are being impeded and turned back. Having aided our troops during the war, these Afghan allies face murderous reprisals and retribution.”

    Didn’t the Taliban say they won’t stop people leaving the country? Why do you need to “extract” American citizens? Couldn’t they just call a taxi?

    Also don’t know why the US army insisit to make a big mess at the airport… Any civilian airport in the world can let go a plane every 1 to 3 minute. Give the airport back to the airport management and let them do their job… Surely they’d be more efficient at getting planes out.

  9. SafeNow says:

    Admiral Nimitz, concluding his review of the tragic Halsey hurricane, said: “It is dangerous to be grudging about safety precautions for fear that they might turn out to have been unnecessary.” Evacuating US and Afghan civilians before evacuating the military would have been a safety precaution.

    Biden’s justification was: This was not done because it would have signaled outcome-worry. This is nonsense. Any rational military leader knows that taking the precaution does not signal a significant level of worry. It’s simply the way it’s done. As Nimitz said, taking the precaution has been the law of the sea for 1000 years. This applies to the land and air as well.

  10. anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Leave the CIA alone. They have much more important things to do, like investigating the Jan. 6 “Insurgency”.

    The way msm wails over the “women and girls” of Afghanistan, you’d think their answer is to bring over every single woman and girl from that country.

    “Spartan women give birth to Spartan men.”

    Well, Afghan women give birth to Afghan men, half of them joined up with the Taliban, the other half are beating down the doors at the airport trying to get to America while leaving behind their women to fend for themselves, weasels that Pat here lovingly referred to as “Afghan allies”. With allies like these, is there any wonder we lost?

    • Agree: Max Maxwell
  11. For no reason, the US military left Bagram airbase like a thief in the night telling anybody. When former Senator Richard Luger suggested that NATO should go out of the area or go out of business hits only partly the nail. NATO was never designed to go out of the area; Europe was the focus, but the US Used NATO as a vehicle to wage global wars, and the other flunkies, who are called allies, joined in. To go with the Americans into Afghanistan has been a trap by the US. The Taliban or Osama bin Laden did not do 9/11; the real perpetrators are still on the loose in the US and the Middle East. NATO should be dissolved. If the US wants to wage war against China or Russia, they should do it alone; perhaps the Brits will join in.

    The whole US leadership shamed themselves, including the military. They have better things such as engaging in wokeness. Like in Vietnam, Afghanistan proved again that the morale of highly committed gangs could defeat the largest military alliance in the world. And some lunatics in D. C. are contemplating taking on China and Russia!!! There won’t be any personal consequences in the rotten Biden administration. The first who should go is Joe Biden. His speech was a shame, and walking off, taking no questions from journalists. So far, he hasn’t talked to any foreign leader. His disgusting VP Kamala Harris apparently yelled at Joe: “you’re not pinning this s**t on me.” This tells you everything about this spineless woman.

  12. Wokechoke says:
    @follyofwar

    They win even if a million people run off. There’s no reason to stop anyone from leaving. They doubled their population in the last twenty years. No reason to block exit visas.

  13. Like the North Vietnamese and the VC the Taliban just wants the Americans and other Infidel Foreigners gone; Loyd Austin was a diversity appointment and if he is canned you can be sure he will be replaced by another Diversity appointment; our Afghan ”allies” had a 4-1 numerical advantage had more weapons and still were routed these people are supposed t be brave and tough but some clung to American planes rather than fight for their own country; and now a lot of these people will be refugees in our country; Old senile Joe’s already a lame duck and the hope is he can hang on until 2025 to spare the nation of the disaster of a Kamala Harris Presidency.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  14. gottlieb says:

    The entire premise is wrong of course: The US invaded Afghanistan to get the bad guys who did 911. The Taliban and Osama bin Ladin had nothing to do with 911. If you look at 30 years of “terrorism” 911 was a complete anomaly. Car-bomb, car-bomb, boat-bomb, hi-jacked jetliners flying into skyscrapers and the war machine at the heart of Empire, car-bomb, car-bomb, head-chopping, car-bomb.

    911 was a mass psychological warfare event that was never investigated because it can’t be. Trillions of dollars, millions of lives later it comes down to incompetence? No. It was malevolence start to finish.

  15. Notsofast says:
    @Max Maxwell

    …. now a lot of these people will be refugees in our country…. i keep hearing the mockingbird media asking where will these people be relocated to? their invariable answer is that utah will take them in. you know what else is in utah? the n.s.a. data collection center. i think they are going to bring in their most dedicated afghan spooks and set them up here. they will know no one in their new country and will be totally dedicated to their masters that “saved” them from taliban.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  16. @Greta Handel

    While Pat sees a cashering of Senior Biden Officials.

    I see a Stalin like purge to eliminate the threat of a palace coup by competing Democrats keen on seeing Biden removed from office through the use of the 25th Amendment.

    Unlike Trump, the Biden claque will have no problem using the power of the Office of the Presidency to destroy their enemies withing their own party intent on usurping the Office of the President.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  17. @follyofwar

    One thing you can definitely believe. Months before the exit of the US from Afghanistan we were being inundated with endless articles and other sob stories about leaving our Afghan allies behind after the US departed. Even weeks before the US pulled out purported Afghan Veterans went on conservative news radio to extol the virtue of bringing Afghan allies to the US.

    Personally I would have none of it and I think there was considerable pushback against the idea. Enough pushback that a plan was implemented to retreat from Afghanistan earlier than planned to cause chaotic scenes such as witnessed in the last few days. All intended to provide cover for the massive admittance of hundreds of thousands if not millions of Afghans into the US and Europe.

    Anybody that objects publicly can now be easily branded heartless monsters on social media. Because if we don’t the evil Taliban will kill, rape and subjugate all the Afghan allies that stood by us. Look at how were being inundated from print to radio to visual media about the dire situation in Afghanistan all while they transport thousands and thousands of military aged males into the US and Europe while their wives and children if they have any are left behind.

    Just more manufactured lies to continue the destruction of Western Civilization through the importation of hordes of illiterate, culturally backward people with no discernible skills to live successfully in an advanced society. If they couldn’t adopt Democratic ideals even after trying to shove it down their throats for the past 20 years. What makes them think they’ll adopt those ideals once they’ve reached the US. Once they get a taste of living on the dole in the US, like blacks they’ll more than likely want to remain chained to the plantation.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @anonymous
  18. Decoy says:

    The belief that there will be resignations or firings coming soon is wishful thinking. I would be very surprised if Austin or Blinken go quietly into the night and the Deep Staters will not allow them to be fired. Milley is the most expendable.

  19. Richard B says:
    @follyofwar

    Except for Tucker Carlson, I can’t stand to watch Fox News anymore.

    Yep.

    Many surreptitiously worked for the Taliban anyway, and “fragged” American soldiers.

    Like blacks did to white in Vietnam. They even tried to cover it up flipping the script and blaming the victim. A precursor of things to come. Though we were already starting to head in that direction.

    Maybe the Taliban are not quite the monsters that they are painted on cable TV.

    Me either. The rest of this paragraph from your comment is spot on.

    I really don’t know if the Taliban are all horrible men, like CIA-created ISIS.

    Again, me either. In fact, if anything happens to the Americans it will be at the hands of some CIA-created something or other. Austin’s indifference even comes off as a wink and a nod to the Taliban to do him a favor (or his bosses).

    They destroyed the Afghan poppy field while in charge.

    Something TPTB in the US should’ve had the Army do. But they were too busy working 24/7 to destroy the United States. The world’s become a Super Tyranny run by Gangster Inc. Couldn’t imagine being a US soldier guarding those fields so that a cabal of Jewish gangsters and their Chinese and Mexican partners in crime could make billions killing Americans with opiods.

    The whole thing is just so sordid, sick and evil.

    One thing I know is this: I would never believe anything the jingoistic mainstream media reports about the Taliban.

    Absolutely!

    • Thanks: follyofwar
  20. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:

    Taliban is not putting lipstick on a pig. They are clear where they stand on women and Sharia.

    What makes you think,they cant be trusted? They never claimed something that were not true . They never denied their actions .
    To the contrary, it were NATO and US UK who flooded the air with lies.

    They are still lying . Watching BBC is like watching the neocons again sermonizing and falsfifying the situation ,this time on the ground of Afghanistan. Same is true of CNN .
    USA has already seized the asset.
    It is obvious USA was never interested in nation building or peace . If it were so,it wouldnt have done and fired the first salvo of economic warfare . USA simply took a big unavoidable hare cut and left.

    UK is gnashing its teeth . Like a hungry fox,wants to get back to stealing again.

    These are pathetic creatures . Their warmongering elite need to be hung upside down to dry in a desert- may be in Gobi .

  21. anon[487] • Disclaimer says:

    Did the U.S. intelligence agencies see it coming?

    No. Just look who they have running the place.

  22. @Ezio Bonsignore

    NATO should have been scrapped long ago.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  23. @anonymouseperson

    warsaw Pact was scrapped and Reagan promised NATO would in parallel be scrapped—-

  24. In an ideal world, yes, NATO should have been disbanded long ago. But, it serves an exceedingly important purpose in keeping Europe slave to US foreign policy. The importance of this goal in Washington’s overall strategy can be guessed by the fact that it dictates maintaining the narrative of a farcical “Russian threat” and the resulting hostility towards Moscow, even though it is self-evident that the main effort in US foreign policy should rather be to plant a wedge between Russia and China and ideally move Russia on the US’ side in the increasingly bitter competition/conflict with China. This would be even more easy to achieve today than in the Nixon/Kissinger’s times, because Putin is palpably uneasy in playing second fiddle to Xi’s mounting economic dominance. Yet, in order to save NATO and its dominance over Europe the US is letting this golden opportunity pass, and thus foster the creation of a Russian-Chinese alliance.

  25. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    the Al Qaeda terrorists who had carried out 9/11

    Lol! I haven’t heard this one in years. Most talking heads stopped repeating this joke around 15 years ago because it was, apparently, getting stale but I’m so glad we have Buchanan to bring this classic knee-slapper back to the circulation.

    Many Afghan allies are being impeded and turned back. Having aided our troops during the war, these Afghan allies face murderous reprisals and retribution.

    “Afghan allies” allied with the bombers and occupiers of their own country. Above all, they allied with the Jews in charge. They’re not my allies, Pat. Quite the contrary. The only thing I owe them is animosity and disgust. Why are you asking me to give up my homeland for this trash, Pat?

  26. TGD says:

    Nobody is talking about the role of Pakistan in assisting the Taliban. This from the Washington Post:

    The Taliban’s long-running insurgency and its rapid takeover of Afghanistan are inextricably linked to Pakistan. For the better part of half a century, Pakistan cultivated militant elements in Afghanistan as part of its own regional pursuit of “strategic depth.” The factions that coalesced into the Taliban maintained extensive logistical and tactical ties with Pakistani agencies, while many of their fighters came from a world of ethnic and tribal affiliations that spanned both sides of the rugged border. These same networks probably enabled al-Qaeda terrorist founder Osama bin Laden to find sanctuary in a leafy compound not far from Pakistan’s leading military academy until U.S. Navy Seals killed him in a raid a decade ago.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/18/pakistan-hand-taliban-victory/

    The US Congress continues to send the Pakis billions in aid much of it hidden under various programs. We are our worst enemy.

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Adam Grant
  27. @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    The purge won’t keep Biden in office. He is clearly in over his head. Some of his statements are being contradicted by his own people. I would be shocked if he’s around this time next year. This country is in freefall and there is no one–NO ONE–who can stop it.

  28. @Notsofast

    you know what else is in utah? the n.s.a. data collection center. i think they are going to bring in their most dedicated afghan spooks and set them up here. they will know no one in their new country and will be totally dedicated to their masters that “saved” them from taliban.

    Most of the “translators” I’ve seen interviewed can barely speak English. If they go to Utah (or anywhere else) they’ll either be on welfare or become Uber drivers.

  29. @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    The only thing I’d disagree with in your reply is that it’s not ALL blacks who want to “remain chained to the plantation.” But many bad apples destroy the whole bunch in many peoples eyes. The system is to blame for coddling them.

  30. PJ London says:

    Pat at his dumbest.
    “The U.S. does, however, retain leverage. U.S. airpower can still do damage to the Taliban,”
    Exactly who or what is the “airpower” going to bomb? Are you planning on Nuking the whole country? Guys who have spent 20 years living on the mountains and in caves are not really interested in the national infrastructure and as they are now part of the civilian population, as always, the US will kill many more women and children than actual Taliban.

    “.. and the U.S. can veto any International Monetary Fun money and cut the Taliban’s access to Afghanistan’s financial reserves in U.S. banks.” For God’s sake!

    Do you think they care about money?
    Do you think they care about financial gain or projects?
    Do you think that you can scare them into anything?
    These guys care about one thing and one thing only, having their homeland (and that means their tribal homelands) establish and maintain Islamic law and way of life (Sharia).

    This concept is so far beyond the understanding of Western politicians and corporations that they cannot even conceive of people behaving this way. Which is why they lost and will always lose.
    At least 70% of the world’s population do not share the western social ideas.
    They do not want to.
    They never will.
    Whilst the west has superior technology and material superiority, it falls far short of the ethical and moral standards the rest of the world embraces.
    Before you start yammering, first state how many years you have spent in an African country and how many in an Islamic country or how many years in the far east, then perhaps I would listen to your arguments about how the western culture is better than the others.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  31. anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @TGD

    Pakistan shouldn’t have agreed to join the war in the first place in 1979 and nor again in in post 911 despite threats and inducements .

    Pakistan has lost the society first in 1980 and then again from 2001 .

    Pakistan has endured unspeakable tragedies and unthinkable devastation brought by US war in 1980 and again from 2001.

    Imran was right to demand no drone warfare for the cowards who flies to drop MOAB from foreign bases .

    American money given to Pakistan has gone to the army ,intelligence but most of it lost to corruption which has come back to US banks.

  32. Hmm.
    It’s quite clear that the CIA never believed the Bay of Pigs invasion would succeed on its own. The real plan was to let it fail and then force JFK to send in the Marines to finish off Castro.

    When JFK refused, the CIA and the Joint Chiefs were dumbstruck (and furious!)

    Was the Kabul tactical debacle also intended to pressure Biden to reverse his strategic decision to leave Afghanistan?

    Maybe.
    Or maybe it was just incompetence.

  33. KenH says:

    I’m not sure if the Afghanistan withdrawal was ever going to be real pretty but it just goes to show what happens when you have an administration who selected cabinet positions based on race and gender. All one needed was common sense to know you must extract the equipment you can while destroying the rest. Yet the affirmative action clowns couldn’t even do that.

    If we want to damage Biden about this it should be over his desire to import at least 30K Afghans into America and several times that number if the radicals close to him and radical swamp Republicans have their way. Like others I also question how much danger our Afghan “allies” are really in especially since the Taliban has talked about offering amnesty.

    All of the retaliatory measures described in this article could be wielded to force the Taliban not to enact reprisals against our interpreters or any of our “allies” who allegedly helped us during out occupation. This way we wouldn’t need to import any “refugees” most of whom just want cradle to grave benefits paid for by the masochistic and bleeding heart white population.

  34. cassandra says:
    @Wokechoke

    The upsetting thing is that the worst elements of the GOP stand to gain from this sensible evacuation order freeing the country from an unwinnable occupation.

    A few points:
    1. Strategically, I agree that the evacuation is sensible.
    2. Tactically, it was a disaster; we should ALL be upset that the dem regime couldn’t even organize a withdrawal.
    3. Biden’s incompetence was on full display during the election, and our current behavior in Afghanistan is fully consistent with the quality of the Obama/Clinton foreign policy. No surprise here.
    4. The democrats are getting all they deserve for corruption of this election, especially cancelling Tulsi Gabbard during the primaries who was the only candidate with a function mind. The dems had their chance to stop “the worst elements of the GOP” right there, but chose a candidate with a reputation for international corruption instead. This was again a seamless continuation of Wassermann-Schulz’ behavior in 2016 against Bernie.
    5. Democratic Party behavior and politics seem to lead to nothing but domestic and international destruction, with nothing that can be seen as constructive or positive. Rabble-rousing shame and rage are the order of the day.

    All this leads one to ponder whether even the “worst elements of the GOP” might not be preferable to current Democratic Party offerings. A lot of people seem to think so. But let’s keep the blame for the Afghan evac where it belongs.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  35. cassandra says:
    @PJ London

    At least 70% of the world’s population do not share the western social ideas.
    They do not want to.
    They never will.

    Perhaps. I suspect that some do and some don’t, depending on ethnic and cultural differences within each country. But it shouldn’t be a matter of having countries vote to see whether they want Europeans to come in and set up “European Values”. The hyphenation “self-determination” starts with “self”. Each country needs to fix itself, assuming there are people within the country who even agree with western technocrats that something needs fixing. This principle should override any R2P nonsense, which is often self-serving propaganda anyway. NATO & Co. need to bug out and let people work out their own problems.

    Having had my pipe-dream, I believe that national and corporate interests will always be trying to steer nations in directions that have nothing to do with their own national self-interest. So we should always be looking for the cui bono? behind humanitarian motives such as human rights and R2P (especially involving children) before giving political approval to such “corrections”.

  36. Andreas says:

    As for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley and Austin, it is hard to see either surviving long in their positions after learning they did not see coming the imminent and worst foreign policy debacle since the fall of Saigon.

    Order is significant – lol. But, yeah, imagine that. With all the resources ostensibly available to the World’s Greatest Military, Salt’n’Pepa didn’t see it coming.

    After 20 years they collapsed under a Taliban blitzkrieg lasting only 11 days.

    Do they even give a shit?

  37. Order is significant – lol. But, yeah, imagine that. With all the resources ostensibly available to the World’s Greatest Military, Salt’n’Pepa didn’t see it coming.

    After 20 years they collapsed under a Taliban blitzkrieg lasting only 11 days.

    To me, this looks like the outcome of a well executed plan we all parties are keeping their end of the deal. Had the people at the airport not panicked (and I’m not blaming them for that), nobody would have gotten hurt. The relatively few reports of beatings are probably from people acting stupid.

    Therefore, not only could they see it coming, they had part in shaping it, but since there are other parties involved, there wasn’t anything they could do about it, but uphold their end. The terms and conditions of the agreement are pretty much dictated by circumstances and what has to happen.

    I suspect part of the deal for the Taliban, besides amnesty for corroborators, is not to pursue war crime reparations in international forums.

    Israel is the biggest loser, it is a win for the American people. There won’t be a war on Iran either, and Syria is going to start getting better fast. I said it before, and I’ll say it here again: Due to the changing circumstances, Israel’s best move right now would be to divert every dollar it gets in foreign aid from the US to improve the lives of the Palestinians.

  38. Rambam says:

    Ah yes, Patrick J. Buchanan. No, the J doesn’t stand for Jesuit. Eighty-three years old and still grinding it out for the conservative arm of TEAM-SIDON/ZION.

    Still lives close to Langley. Take a look at his family tree sometime.
    Praying for you Pat. But not to any saints or the Virgin.

    Shalom

  39. Miro23 says:

    Three decades ago, after the breakup of the USSR and the end of the Cold War, Republican Sen. Richard Lugar said that NATO, having lost the rationale for its existence — containment of the Soviet Union — would now have “to go out of area or go out of business.”

    Well, going out of area didn’t work – so how about going out of business?

    The Germans, for example, could pull out of NATO – which would finish it. A US initiated conflict with China would be a good opportunity for them to leave. Germany has good commercial relations with both Russia and China which wouldn’t be worth risking for a pointless NATO/US alliance.

  40. Wokechoke says:
    @cassandra

    Hannity and McConnell are not preferable.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  41. cassandra says:
    @Wokechoke

    Hannity and McConnell are not preferable.

    The point is, compared to whom? You’re setting up an argument over which sludge in the barrel comes closest to scraping the bottom. But getting into a food fight comparing which public figures are the most obnoxious is silly, since this is as much a matter of personal (dis)taste as who you’d vote for class president in grade school. I’d prefer to ask, where, anywhere on the US political scene, is there someone advocating for a constructive outcome, and how are they planning to create that?

    But even this discussion would really be off the mark, as the last 2 presidencies demonstrated that entrenched bureacratic clics, with the aid of corporate media, are the factions calling the shots. Political conflicts are betweeen oligarchs, facilitated by propaganda battles over public opinion.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  42. anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    The Ziocon msm is trying hard to turn this into a win by shaming Biden into importing as many Afghan “allies” as possible to the US. Looks like Biden’s falling for it. He should heed his own advice. These are people who wouldn’t fight for their own country. Why do we want them here?

    • Replies: @Randy Dazzler
  43. @anon

    These are people who wouldn’t fight for their own country. Why do we want them here?

    You would have preferred to see a slaughter? Then followed by either a very repressive minority government needing tons of more external support or a Taliban take over where they have every reason in the world to try to exact revenge?

    How can you hate them that much?

    No we don’t want them here. And most the receht mass immigration into Europe from the ME and Africa should be reversed as well. Not in forceful violent way, but an appropriate helpful way. (No, this does not apply to ‘minorities’ in the US, who have been here generations.)

    Mass influxes of radically different cultures are inherently destabilizing. You can not expect the host culture to welcome the incoming culture and not want assimilation, and you can’t expect the incoming culture to give it up when they are settled in enclaves.

    Natural population decline should be welcomed, and immigration should not be a stopgap for labor. The concept of swamping lifeboats very much applies.

  44. Many of our principal allies were heavily invested. The British are now attempting to bring their people out of Kabul under the same conditions as ours.

    Amerikastan has no allies, only slaves and vassals. “Allies” mean they have a choice, and we all saw what happened to France in 2003 when the then regime acted as though it was an independent country and had a choice to not invade Iraq.

    As for Brutain, having attacked Afghanistan in 1839-42, 1878-80, and again in 1919, the last thing the Afghans are inclined to do is show the Brutish any mercy.

    Having aided our troops during the war, these Afghan allies face murderous reprisals and retribution.

    Why is Buchanan concerned about the fates of traitors and Quislings? No imperialist occupation can ever survive without collaborators.

    The worse things get for these traitors the better. Not just for reasons of justice but because it would deter future collaboration in countries the Amerikastani Empire might still invade before it finally collapses in ruin.

    …the U.S. can veto any International Monetary Fund money and cut the Taliban’s access to Afghanistan’s financial reserves in U.S. banks.

    The Amerikastani Empire will steal Afghan money in any case, no matter what the Taliban do. Just as it stole Iranian money in 1979 and finally and reluctantly returned it a few years ago, or like it had its Brutish colony steal Venezuelan gold after that.

    Did the U.S. intelligence agencies see it coming? Did they fail to inform the Pentagon or White House?

    Since even I predicted “it” in 2001, and reinforced the prediction in 2013 – “ten minutes after (the occupation) leaves the Taliban will be back in power” – I can only imagine that either Amerikastani intelligence agencies exist only to feed their bosses politically expedient fairy tales, or that they’re as incompetent as Amerikastani foreign policy would indicate them to be.

    • Replies: @martin_2
  45. anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Supremacist pagan godless vermin like you will not understand that the reason why those wretched Afghan/Iraqi/Syrian/… refugees belong in your lands is to serve as a constant thorn in the eyes of the savage soul-diseased scum who laid waste and slaughtered millions of their kin.

    I am only sad that the western evilisation will not pay the much deserved price for their unspeakable “humanitarian” barbarism, right here on earth.

    Well, at least your accursed godless evilisation is destined to inherit Hell. That is the only solace we can have for now.

  46. Wokechoke says:
    @cassandra

    Which gives Hannity and McConnell the most room to wriggle.

  47. Seems to me a similar attempt to bring the blessings of democracy to a certain European nation defeated in the Great War had a comparable outcome. And for the same reason: the so-called democracy was a profit-extraction machine of international capitalism, not a government designed for the benefit of the people on whom it was imposed. Our own homeland has undergone a similar metamorphosis: while the outward symbols of governance remain unchanged, our government has been systematically stripped of its power to safeguard the liberties of its citizens.

    Pat also forgets that the United States provided aid to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, as it did the Taliban and ISIS, to wage a proxy war against a hated government, in this case the one in Phnom Penh that had been supported by Vietnam. In late 1975, Kissinger told the Thai foreign minister: “You should tell the Cambodians that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs but we won’t let that stand in our way.” US support of Khmer Rouge guerillas continued through the 1980s, despite the State Department’s public condemnations of the insurgency.

  48. Kaiser says:

    How many refugees will Martha’s Vineyard accept?

  49. martin_2 says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “As for Brutain, having attacked Afghanistan in 1839-42, 1878-80, and again in 1919, the last thing the Afghans are inclined to do is show the Brutish any mercy.”

    If Afghanistan had been defeated by the British and incorporated into the British Empire in the nineteenth century then the current condition of Afghanistan would most likely be similar to that of India or Pakistan. I.e. they would be a lot better off.

  50. 99% support for sharia law in Afghanistan.

    The invaders point a gun to your head, and pay you to go along with them… When they leave and the money stops, your support (even with a sub-90 IQ) evaporates.

    How is that so difficult to understand?

    To invoke Godwin’s Law (sorry, everyone!) – when the Germans left France, they did not expect Vichy France to start fighting for them. The Germans may have been zealots, but they were not that stupid!!

    The US establishment, however, could not fathom this – those who did kept their mouth shut (Hey! They were being paid by the Leviathan too!).

  51. @TGD

    Pakistan had problems with Ghani but preferred him to the Taliban. At the very highest level in the ISI (including the Director-General) virtually no one thinks that Taliban rule in Afghanistan gives Pakistan “strategic depth.” That’s a myth created by Indian Intelligence. Note that the Washington Post article you cited was written by the son of an Indian politician. Pakistan gets it’s strategic depth from highly mobile armed forces and from it’s Navy and nuclear weapons. India armed the Taliban in Afghanistan in order to destabilize the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and weaken Pakistan proper. China also backed the Taliban in exchange for the Taliban promise to not support China’s Muslims (Uyghurs). China has its eyes on Afghanistan’s minerals which might be worth \$5 Trillion.

  52. Army can have Drag Queen Storytime at the Kabul airport while they wait.

    Those soldiers are being abused in Kabul same as the national guard was likewise abused that FBI Dems sent to Capitol Hill fake insurrection. For optics and to further cuck the already cuck soldiers.

    It’s all orders of magnitude more shameful than the most shameful surrenders. It’s psychological warfare on the Army suckers sent there. In Vietnam, President Ford had the good sense to not rush 5,000 Special ops soldiers to Saigon.

    Over in Kabul its… “See bad Taliban.”

    Back in the US… “See bad white Taliban”.

    It’s so easy to see through this.

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