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Speaking at Mount Rushmore on Friday, and from the White House lawn on Saturday, July 4, Donald Trump recast the presidential race.

He seized upon an issue that can turn his fortunes around, and the wounded howls of the media testify to the power of his message.

Standing beneath the mammoth carved images of Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, Trump declared: “Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.”

These mobs are made up of Marxists, criminals and anarchists. Their cause is a cultural revolution. “Their goal is not a better America. Their goal is the end of America.”

After reciting the achievements of his four predecessors, Trump added: “No movement that seeks to dismantle these treasured American legacies can possibly have a love of America at its heart.”

Then he put it right into the basement hideaway of Joe Biden: “No person who remains quiet at the destruction of this resplendent heritage can possibly lead us to a better future.”

Trump is calling out Biden’s silence in the face of an onslaught against our heroes and history as manifest political cowardice that makes Biden a moral accomplice of the mobs.

One day, Basement Boy is going to have to speak out.

Where was Biden when Trump was standing up for America on Independence Day?

As his Party tweeted that Trump’s trip to Mount Rushmore was aimed at “glorifying white supremacy,” Biden was wailing about the need “to rip the roots of systemic racism” out of America.

Does that sound like Harry Truman or JFK?

So the lines are drawn for 2020.

On one side are those who believe America is a good country, the greatest the world has ever seen, and that the men who created this miracle should be respected, revered and remembered.

That is not the view of the left wing of the Democratic Party.

For even as the fireworks were exploding on the Mall, a Baltimore mob was tearing down, smashing up and dumping into the Inner Harbor a landmark statue of Christopher Columbus.

That statue stood next to the Baltimore neighborhood of Little Italy and had been dedicated in 1984 by President Ronald Reagan.

Do the haters of Columbus think that destroying Columbus’ statues across America will not anger and alienate Americans of Italian descent who revere the explorer? Does Biden think Italian-Americans will reward a candidate and party that will not renounce the mob that did this?

As the left wing of the Democratic Party embraces the “defund the police” movement, how long will it hold onto voters who are today watching murder rates climb to new records?

During Independence Day weekend in Chicago, 80 people were shot, and 17 of them killed.

In New York City, the number of shooting victims has risen this year by 50%. In June, there were 250 shootings, an increase of 150 over June 2019. Mayor Bill de Blasio’s response: cutting $1 billion from the NYPD budget.

Over July 4, an armed Black militia arrived at the reopening of the Stone Mountain monument in Georgia, which features huge carved images of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. They want its destruction.

Trump is charged with “dividing the nation.”

But it is not Trump trashing cops or providing cover for “protests” marked by looting and arson. Nor is it Trump tearing down memorials and monuments to the great Americans of the past.

ORDER IT NOW

Where the Democratic Party has been a portrait in indecisiveness, Trump has been clear. He stands with the cops who have gone through a hellish six weeks. He stands against defacing statues and destroying monuments. He has denounced the rioting, looting and arson that have accompanied protests the media never cease to describe as “peaceful.”

It is not Trump who is dividing America. He has pledged to resist the rampages with all the weapons in his presidential arsenal.

There are four months until November’s election, 18 weeks until America decides: Do we want to continue an era of protests that revert to rioting, looting and arson? Do we want to see police departments further constricted and trashed as neo-fascist?

Do we wish to see statues of presidents from Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Grant to Teddy Roosevelt trashed by mobs that hate America, hate her heroes and hate her history?

Trump’s stand for tradition and against mob rule is the only stand the president can take. And it is a necessary stand. For this culture war is going to last long after this presidency. And it is going to determine what kind of country we shall become.

Will it be the great and glorious republic of the past or the social and cultural Marxist hellhole that is the promise of the mobs?

Trump just played the patriotism card, the correct card to play, and it may just work for his reelection.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Nixon’s White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.”

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  1. How any white American can vote for the Democrats I fail to understand.

    • Agree: Gunga Din
  2. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Buchanan has moral clarity, and all things being even, Trump should easily walk away with a victory. But unfortunately, the Neocons, the MSM and the Deep State are traitors, Dick Cheney recently announced he is joining the Resistance, and the establishment — for a variety of reasons — is not America First but Globalism First. And Trump is too weak or cowed or compromised to call out the traitors for what they are. Consequently, Joe Biden in his basement with growing dementia has the lead, not because he’s worthy, but because the GOP establishment in particular won’t get behind America First, let alone Trump. I guess they’d rather risk total political devastation to save Globalism. But what they really might end up with is runaway Marxism.

    Cowards. Fools.

  3. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:

    More desiccated Beltway Baloney from Mr. Buchanan.

    As his Party tweeted that Trump’s trip to Mount Rushmore was aimed at “glorifying white supremacy,” Biden was wailing about the need “to rip the roots of systemic racism” out of America.

    Does that sound like Harry Truman or JFK?

    Cliché, it’s no longer your father’s Democratic Party stuff. (Remember those hard hats for Nixon?) To keep the sheep voting, Mr. Paleoconservative even venerates President Truman, who, among other things, needlessly dropped atomic bombs on Japanese civilians, and sent his countrymen to die in Korea.

    There are four months until November’s election, 18 weeks until America decides …

    Or about three dozen more of these MostImportantElectionEverVoteTeamRed columns.

    • Agree: Exile
    • Replies: @36 ulster
  4. Gordo says:

    Biden was wailing about the need “to rip the roots of systemic racism” out of America.

    Does that sound like Harry Truman or JFK?

    If you change ‘systemic racism’ to White, which is what it means, you have Biden saying about Whites exactly what Hitler said about Jews. Except in German of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. Pat Buchanan is spot on the money as usual. I was encouraged hearing Trump vigorously denounce the culture destroyers during his Rushmore speech. And I personally know Democrats who are mortified at the destruction of historic monuments by Marxist agitators. Trump can win their votes. One thing that bothers me is Trump failing to expose who is behind this well-organized cultural revolution. Yes, we know Soros but surely he is only the tip of the iceberg.And why hasn’t Trump denounced Soros? The sponsors of this mayhem must be known to the intelligence services. Is that information shared with Trump? Somehow I get the sense the deep state might be the wire pullers in this mayhem. Would Trump expose that if it were true? This information that should be known but mysteriously remains unknown gives me a sense of foreboding. I’m not sure if Pat has time to read these comments, but it would be great to have benefit of his government insider experience and get answers to these questions.

    • Replies: @sonofman
    , @bluedog
  6. jasmin says:

    What we are witnessing is a classic Trotsky tactic. Take an event, either manufactured or real, and bring on criminals, anarchists, and useful idiots to help overthrow the government after which those same criminals, anarchists, and useful idiots are placed in a gulag or find themselves in front of a firing squad.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  7. Trump’s pose in front of Mount Rushmore, makes for one of the finest US presidential campaign photos ever … this is how many will always remember Donald John Trump

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Erzberger
  8. Anon401 says:
    @anonymous1963

    Because I’ve relocated to China and would prefer ZOG to be destroyed. A vote for democrats is a vote for civil war, which I can observe and fund dissidents from a safe distance in Dalian.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  9. Ignoring the fact that Pat has drunk so much Koolaid he is permanently drunk, he does make some good points.
    Politically its vital that Trump continually link Biden with the destruction of American culture, tradition etc. Biden, with his “racism” shtick is already skating near thin ice. If you believe, as I do, that Biden’s poll lead over Trump is in large part due to his silence, then its a fair bet that Biden, with mouth open, should go backwards (poor Biden, suffering from “foot in mouth disease”)
    Trump’s main problem, I believe, given Covid & the horror economy, is getting people to actually prioritize these cultural issues over their very real material issues in their voting outlook. In part this will come down to Democratic strategy & Biden’s ability to communicate effectively….Yes, don’t laugh, Biden + communicate effectively …. actually do have a laugh, it is funny.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @dfordoom
  10. sonofman says:
    @Chris in Cackalacky

    President Trump has been boldly naming and calling out ‚the Deep State‘ , once considered only a conspiracy theory, from the beginning. What is important is that the voters realize that the Deep State has confirmed its existence and are aligned with the Democratic Party and most of the news, entertainment and social medias. Hopefully, American voters are aware of the tactics they are using; lying, cheating, race and gender and class agitation, rioting, looting, destroying, censoring, terminating, criticism and negation of heritage, and even murder. All of these actions are abhorrent, and the people responsible are decadent and un-American, and do not deserve not even one vote.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  11. tyrone says:
    @Chris Moore

    Cheney must be working on a book deal…..the best way to do that? stab Trump in the back. It’s a wonder he can find an un-stabbed spot. Its Trump and the Deplorables against the world.

  12. @jasmin

    You and Cacky Chris, screaming Marxist! Trotsky! Devils! Russians!

    Absolutely brainwashed morons.

    Go to the Trotskyist website, http://www.wsws.org/en/ and you will see they are shouting, Save the monuments!

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  13. Actually Trump’s best card to play is, “Ich liebe doch alle, alle Menschen,” like Mielke in 1989. That’s the way to go when your Stasi state has manifestly failed. Then, just as the DDR reverted to Germany, the USA can collapse back to a dismembered, denuclearized rump called America. Everybody would be for that, as long as they could live in one of the thirty or forty other successor states. Because you know America is going to be Kiryas Joel and 40,000 outlying hectares bulldozed and flooded with sewage.

  14. Realist says:
    @anonymous1963

    How any white American can vote for the Democrats I fail to understand.

    Millions do. Why anybody votes for either party is amazing…both parties are franchises of the Deep State.

    • Agree: omegabooks, Bro43rd
  15. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gordo

    The difference being that jews were parasites who had no business being in Germany, while US whites are the ones who created the United States, for their white descendants. Hitler was morally justified, defending the nation against evil. Democrats are defending evil against the nation.

  16. @tyrone

    Neither Cheney nor Soros will ever be completely dead. Do you ever wounder what makes the wicked so strong? One is Left and the other Right. Both serve the ruling class. The country is subsumed by a class war and only one side is fighting.

    WorkingClass is going dark. So long and thanks for all the fish.

  17. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Keep preaching that old time Marxist faith. Never mind it’s just another vicious and totalitarian Jewish huckster “Promised Land.” The Jewish ego dies hard.
    https://rense.com/general87/century.htm

  18. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @tyrone

    Cheney must be working on a book deal

    Cheney is working on saving his ass from 9/11 treason charges. Same goes for the rest of the Deep State/Zionist-connected liberal internationalist/neocon Nest of Vipers.
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

  19. The U.S. government struck over a million silver Half Dollar coins in 1925 to help raise funds to carve the Stone Mountain rebel memorial. The Grand Army of the Republic, the U.S. Civil War veterans’ organization, lobbied extensively in 1923 and 1924 to prevent the issuance of coins that honored traitors.

    Removing the offensive carving will be a long overdue tribute to the loyal men who sacrificed so much to keep the world’s only experiment in republican self-government intact. 1925 was the heyday of political influence of the revived KKK. Just eight short years later, it would vanish from national power, as Trump will in six months.

    • Disagree: Akindle
  20. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass

    I’m curious about the “going dark.” But whether you elaborate or not, thanks for your many thoughtful, non-dogmatic comments. You will be missed.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  21. Rurik says:
    @anonymous1963

    How any white American can vote for the Democrats I fail to understand.

    look at their hands

    If they’ve built things, and earned money using their raw talents, ability, brains (and their own hands) they’re not likely to demand that all they have is a consequence of ‘white privilege’.

    But if their hands are soft and pink, and know not a hammer or saw, but have only clasped a Starbucks cup, or typed on a keyboard, then they may know intuitively that what they have is only a consequence of privilege. And so they extrapolate that to see all things and their prosperity the way their enemies do; as “white” privilege, rather than the privledge of having been born into a civilization that heroic white men made possible – often by the efforts of their own hands.

    The Wright brothers built that airplane with their own hands (and sweat and genius and hard work and determination).

    These are things entirely alien to the white liberals marching with BLM and clenching their soft, clammy fists every time Trump is mentioned. All of their wealth and perks are all a consequence of other people’s hard work, and other people’s efforts. So they know that their privilege is unearned, and so to protect their delicate egos` they lie to themselves that other white people’s (very real) accomplishments are also unearned, and that way they can feel better about their own worthless and pathetic existence.

    I just saw this item

    http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/07/christian-college-student-kicked-out-of.html

    I don’t know HSU President Eric Bruntmyer personally, but I’d bet a hundred dollars that his hands are soft and manicured, and that he’s never personally built anything in his life.

    more on our cultural divide here:

    http://www.hideoutnow.com/2020/07/black-lives-matter-leader-toronto.html

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  22. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Observator

    But no “self-government” for the seceding states!

    Time for you to repost that bizarre rationale about recovering the “federal assets.” Asking again, this time in advance, for any contemporaneous evidence that any such demand that would have allowed for peaceful secession was made and refused before or at any time during the war. Otherwise, I’m ready to conclude that you have made it up.

  23. Rurik says:
    @Observator

    Removing the offensive carving will be a long overdue tribute to the loyal men who sacrificed so much to keep the world’s only experiment in republican self-government intact.

    what a monumental irony that you call a vicious tyranny imposed by the barrel of a gun; “self-government”.

    And it don’t think you were even being sarcastic.

    We all see today, right in front of our eyes, just how worthy is this ‘U.S. government’ you’re so gushy about.

    If you love it so much, then you should be the first one to kiss president Trump’s presidential white ass. He is the president of the republic you love so much, so pucker up!

    For myself, I wouldn’t give this “union” so much as a middle finger, because that’s more effort than it deserves. (well, maybe I could be inclined at least to give it that much ; )

    Now, more than ever we should all see the valiant necessity of secession, as the republic rots, running a permanent torture camp, and waging endless illegal wars, all based on obvious zio-lies.

    Now more than ever, the heroism of the Confederacy is glairing in front of all our faces.

    Now, more than ever, a moral secession from the rot of DC is an imperative, if we- as honorable men and women- are to keep our souls intact.

    Pledging allegiance to a nation that loots the Treasury, wages endless wars on behalf of our enemies, and imposes myriad Orwellian treasons domestically, (homo “marriage”, Transgender bathrooms, etc…) would be a base humiliation for any man that pretends like the ZUS has a shred of legitimacy.

    Honoring the ‘union’ imposed by the Northern Aggressor states (especially!) today, is the height of absurdity.

    Nothing is more obvious to anyone with a shred of brains or integrity, that secession is the only hope for a free people, now under the cruel and monstrous yoke of ZUS tyranny run amok.

    • Agree: follyofwar, Bro43rd
    • Thanks: bluedog
    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  24. KenH says:

    Color me cynical but all Trump has given us is a little read meat in the form of a fiery speech at Mt. Rushmore and a token EO and some token arrests of left wing crazies the charges of which will probably be quietly reduced in the next couple of months or dropped altogether in Trump loses in November and a radical AG takes control in January 2021.

    Meanwhile, statues are still being toppled and the anti-white mob doesn’t seem to be intimidated.

    Trump might be moving to the right at this time but he’s known for flip flops and if he wins re-election he’ll just give us four more years of Kushnerism and Ivankaism and go back to the political center while giving his base salty right wing tweets. He’s also likely to deliver a war with Iran and some form of amnesty for DACA illegal aliens.

    No matter who wins in November ordinary white people who don’t hate their race, culture and nation will lose.

    • Replies: @Akindle
  25. Escher says:

    It’s too late. Demography is destiny, and the white American population’s decline cannot be stopped.
    Wait for bills to abolish the electoral college to be introduced whenever the next Democratic president takes office.

  26. KenH says:
    @WorkingClass

    The country is subsumed by a class war and only one side is fighting.

    Not sure how you came to that conclusion when the one side that is fighting is motivated by hatred of white people and using blatantly racial descriptors and slurs like “white privilege,” “white fragility” and “Karen” to describe their opponents.

    It stopped being about class and started being about race a long time ago.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    , @dfordoom
  27. @tyrone

    Cheney should have died years ago. He jumped the line to get his heart transplant in 2012 when he was 71, after already having had 5 heart attacks. If his name wasn’t Dick Cheney, it’s doubtful he would have qualified for one. I wonder if the unnamed donor would have given up his heart if he knew that such an evil man would receive it.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  28. @WorkingClass

    Why “going dark,” WorkingClass? Have you become an enemy of the State, or perhaps a target of Antifa? I, for one, enjoy reading your pithy comments, even if I don’t always agree. Please reconsider. These comment sections would not be the same without you.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  29. Akindle says:
    @KenH

    Trump declared: “Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.” He said that in Tulsa and Mt. Rushmore, only after two months of anarchy and since then five or more statues have been torn down. Then he called out Biden’s silence? I hate to remind him but do nothing Trump you are the President…For Now.

  30. @animalogic

    The cultural issues are deeply related to the economic issues. The white working class and middle class can be disenfranchised economically without redress because they have been demonized culturally. Reverse the shaming of white America and you prepare the way to take its economic grievances as just and urgent rather than the whining of racist deplorables.

    Tucker Carlson does a good job of relating these two subjects.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  31. @KenH

    Not sure how you came to that conclusion when the one side that is fighting is motivated by hatred of white people …..

    And funded by whom?

    • Replies: @KenH
  32. Akindle says:
    @Observator

    You have no history of your own but want to erase white history due to your imagined racism. Will you replace Stone Mountain carvings with graffiti or rapper statues? You are disgusting. Go to Africa. No white people to complain about or rape, rob, or murder.

  33. @follyofwar

    Thanks for the kind words. I have enjoyed your company also.

  34. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @36 ulster

    There’s a button for that, although you apparently don’t know the difference between a “troll” and someone with a different view.

    Care to refute my point?

  35. Ya know, maybe, before deciding what your culture is, you might want to hear from somebody who knows, like, what happened, and not just listen to people who read three books about the civil war two hundred times. Things have happened since then, believe it or not.

    https://www.blackagendareport.com/struggle-abolish-police-not-new

    Nobody wants to defund the police except those undead dust-farting mummies in Washington. What everybody wants is to abolish the police. Nobody asked you if you want to blow most of your local taxes paying armed assholes in tanks to impound your car for bureaucratic technicalities. And tax you for decades to pay them big pensions that you don’t even get. Fuck these parasites. We don’t need them. And as for the bullshit flag they festoon their cops suits with, so they can push you around, fuck that too. The USA’s as useless as they are.

  36. @Chris Moore

    I swear President Trump is getting his talking points from Tucker Carlson. For the last quarter, Tucker’s show was the highest rated prime time cable news show in history. Tucker’s been saying for some time, especially since the riots following the death of Saint Floyd, that Trump must change course if he wants to be re-elected. Tucker even called Trump out for taking the poor advice of his treacherous liberal SIL, and word is that Jarvanka is no longer listened to and has been demoted.

    Quit talking about the greatest economy in history, and the lowest black, Hispanic, and female unemployment ever, before the “Chinese” coronavirus ended it. First, no one but some MAGA fools believe it. Second, white males (your base) resent that they are not acknowledged. And, no one believes that your “quick” response to the virus (by barring Chinese from entering the country) saved millions of lives.

    If you want to win in November, Mr. Trump, please keep listening to Tucker. This election will be about law and order and Buchanan’s Culture War, as well as your response to the Covid “plandemic,” which needs an overhaul. (Hint: Get rid of Dr. Fauci.)

  37. El Dato says:

    Where the Democratic Party has been a portrait in indecisiveness

    About as indecisive as people meeting in a resort at the Wannsee.

    Don’t be fooled.

  38. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:

    In order to win Trump has to actually do something.

  39. @Chris Moore

    I was referring to another Chris, Chris Cackadoodledoo or something, another brainwashed American FWIW.

  40. @Chris Moore

    And my mental box is not the same as the WSWS’s mental box FWIW.

  41. @anonymous

    Thanks 245 and Rurik. Whatever I have said over the years belongs to Mr Unz. As long as he makes it available if anybody wants to know they will see that I withdrew from the com boxes voluntarily in July of 2020.

  42. KenH says:
    @WorkingClass

    And funded by whom?

    By Jews of course but that doesn’t change the fact that there’s always been rancor between whites and blacks of all classes. As we’re seeing rich black celebrities see themselves as a member of the black race much more than members of the upper class. In fact blacks of all economic classes identify with their race first and foremost unlike whites who’ve been brainwashed to believe race is inconsequential and meaningless.

    In a multiracial society it’s always about race. It’s only about class in monoracial societies

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  43. dfordoom says: • Website
    @animalogic

    Trump’s main problem, I believe, given Covid & the horror economy, is getting people to actually prioritize these cultural issues over their very real material issues in their voting outlook.

    When it comes to voting most people don’t give a damn about cultural issues. They care about how much money they have in their pockets.

    What Trump is doing is making a play for older voters who were probably going to vote for him anyway. He’s throwing red meat to the elderly MAGA hat wearers. I doubt if anyone under 40 cares much about those statues, compared to how much they care about financial ruin.

    So it may come down to a question of how many old Trump voters turn up to vote for him, and how many younger voters turn out for Biden.

    Trump is using a strategy that would have worked great forty years ago. Maybe even twenty years ago. Maybe it will still work today. We’ll see.

    As for Pat, he thinks it’s still 1968 and the Silent Majority is about to elect Nixon.

    • Replies: @gutta percha
  44. dfordoom says: • Website
    @KenH

    It stopped being about class and started being about race a long time ago.

    It’s always about class. Making the class war appear to be about race was a masterstroke by the ruling class. All they had to do was hope that people would be dumb enough to fall for it.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @KenH
    , @John Johnson
  45. @Observator

    When your wife filed for divorce, did you call her a “traitor” as well?

  46. @jack daniels

    “The White working class and middle class can be disenfranchised economically without redress because…” now that manufacturing has been exported to China and Mexico, a core of able-bodied, intelligent, technically proficient workers is neither necessary nor desired. They are a liability in as much as they can see that they’re being screwed and will complain about it. Enter the blacks.

    Blacks themselves make poor wage slaves, taking the responsibilities of showing up to work on time and doing a good job lightly. But they do make a willing army of goons to set loose on the now disenfranchised white workers. Our Jewish overlords truly believe that we Whites are afraid of blacks and will only cower before them. Just because this is true of them does not make it true for us. White beats black in every sport except those that emphasize running fast.

    No war was won by the side whose sole claim to fame is that they run the fastest. But running fast will serve blacks well if civil war does break out. For a while anyway.

  47. KenH says:
    @dfordoom

    All they had to do was hope that people would be dumb enough to fall for it.

    And there’s people dumb enough to ignore incontrovertible evidence and insist that it’s about class when our enemies tell us every day over and over that it’s about race and that white people are irredeemable.

    So the new hate whitey book titled White Fragility is really about class fragility? What class? University classes that teach the abolition of whiteness are really about class? Explain your answer.

    But according to you and Working Class 2+2 = 5 and if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a squirrel.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  48. I can’t help but laugh at the over 300 companies that are threatening to boycott advertising on Facebook if Facebook does not increase censorship and remove all posts that contain misinformation and hate. The hypocrisy is hilarious! Advertising is misinformation! Nothing is more of an overt sign of hatred than war, which they all seem to be o.k. with, as long as people are being politely murdered, and countries are politely raped and pillaged in the most politically correct manner. This is ridiculous! Grow up! Get your priorities straight! Stop making jack asses out of yourselves! You are really embarrassing the hell out of yourselves!

  49. SafeNow says:

    Bye and thank you, WorkingClass. I’ll miss your voice here at the Unz Pub. Good luck.
    With respect, SafeNow

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  50. @Anon401

    Anon401 wrote:

    Because I’ve relocated to China and would prefer ZOG to be destroyed. A vote for democrats is a vote for civil war, which I can observe and fund dissidents from a safe distance in Dalian.

    Be careful what you wish for! A Power as great as the USA is not likely to fall gently. Far better for the human race if there is a soft landing.

    Just remember how the Germans “solved” their Russia problem by sending Lenin in the sealed train.

  51. @dfordoom

    “When it comes to voting most people don’t give a damn about cultural issues. They care about how much money they have in their pockets.”

    As Trump pointed out, the new Woke Totalitarianism is, among other things, getting innocent people fired and turned into nonpersons. That’s a pocketbook issue.

    Suppose your employer decides to force you to undergo de-whitening training. HR wants you to read “White Fragility.” If you refuse, as any free person with dignity ought to, you are fired as a racist.

    Minneapolis sustained tens of millions of dollars of damage from Woke Fascist rioters. Other cities faced similar costs. I assume taxpayers foot part of the bill, and also insurance premiums go up for everybody. Plenty of people hit in the wallet.

    And don’t forget the dependable tendency of the Woke, once ensconced in power, to spectacularly waste money. For one example, De Blasio handed half a billion dollars of New York’s money to his wife, to be used for … ummmm … social justice horsesh!t. Naturally, the money vanished, without even a pro forma pretense of accounting for it.

    From my perspective, the cultural threats outweigh the financial. In public, we’ve experienced a serious loss of freedom of speech, with different speech rules for different races. Online, uncensored free speech is permitted in fewer and fewer forums. Schools, corporations, media are militantly Woke and determined to shut down all public dissent against the New Totalitarianism. Freedom of thought itself is under attack, in much the same sense as it was during Mao’s Cultural Revolution.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  52. @SafeNow

    Thank you kindly SafeNow. I honestly didn’t expect anybody to give a shit one way or another when I announced my departure. I just wanted it on the record. It’s not just Unz. I will no longer be commenting on politics anywhere. I have been kicked off of enough sites that I wanted to establish that was not the case here.

  53. bluedog says:
    @anonymous1963

    How any American can vote for either one of these miss-fits is beyond any rational understanding,both are a tool of the 1% as Trump plunges the country into bankruptcy to protect the wealth of his buddies….

  54. bluedog says:
    @Chris in Cackalacky

    What you mean is that Trump bleated out the words you wanted to hear, you know like the wall,getting out of wars,lock her up fixing the infrastructure,etc etc to strum those old heartfelt strings so that you will run up and do it all over again,Now old Pat is Irish not noted for the truth it reminds me of that other piece of sheet Reagan who bleated forth those line but he forgot to tell the people that he was a traitor as he gutted American, well I think you get the picture……

  55. bluedog says:
    @sonofman

    Well now that you have the deep state all figgured out perhaps you can explain why Trump has surrounded himself with the worst of the deep state,and now your copying Pompeo “we lie we cheat we steal we kill” ,And seeing Trump failed to rise up to the occasion and put the riots down means that he’s a very very weak man unfit for the office as we go into another election with no one to vote for,instead visit your local gun shop he will like the business…..

  56. @KenH

    The cunt that wrote that book is a race hustler. She is WHITE. The book made her rich and famous. There is big money in turning working class people against each other. You have taken the bait. The foot soldiers in BLM have taken the bait also. Both of you are being used. This is a very old and well established game. Look into it. Two plus two equals FOUR. That much is true. Hold on to it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Rurik
  57. dfordoom says: • Website
    @gutta percha

    From my perspective, the cultural threats outweigh the financial.

    I don’t disagree with you. My point is that I think you’ll find that most voters, rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly), are likely to be more concerned with the economy than about cultural issues (which most of them neither understand nor care about).

    I personally think the Culture War is of immense importance, but (sadly) I don’t think most of the population in Anglosphere countries see it that way.

    Trump seems to be gambling that he can win on cultural issues (which will allow him to ignore economic issues). I think that’s wishful thinking, and I think it’s wishful thinking on the part of Trump supporters to believe that his strategy will work. But who knows? American voters love flag-waving almost as much as they love war.

  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @WorkingClass

    There is big money in turning working class people against each other.

    There’s big money in it and huge advantages for the ruling class. And huge rewards for those whores prepared to push the ruling class’s line that class no longer matters.

  59. Wielgus says:
    @brabantian

    Different people respond to the same image differently. Contrast the solemn expressions of the icons in stone with Trump’s full-colour ageing trust fund baby smirk. But if you are a Trumpie already you might think him worthy, and Americans do have a track record of voting en masse for idiots. So he could win.

  60. Rurik says:
    @WorkingClass

    There is big money in turning working class people against each other. You have taken the bait. The foot soldiers in BLM have taken the bait also.

    It’s about class and race.

    Bernie (a one percenter) went to Flint, MI and told the (mostly poor) locals there that white people don’t know what poverty or police abuse is even like. Some of the most pitiable people in the nation, (of both races), and forced to drink lead-leaden sludge from their faucets, (black and white), but then set at each other’s throats for the amusement and benefit of a ‘one-percenter’ scumfuck with political ambitions.

    Affirmative Action is very real. It insidiously singles out a specific race and gender for societal denigration and castigation- because they (and they alone) don’t deserve the 14th Amendment’s guarantees of equal protection. Because they’re ‘racists and sexists’ and are irredeemable so, and so society should heap its collective vilification and punishment upon this specific race of (working class) men. (the white men of the 1%, or even 10%- are not effected in the least by AA).

    Now, that Affirmative Action is a weapon of the 1% to divide our society based on race, so that as a class, they can better fuck over everyone (including blacks), is true. But doing so, it de facto makes it about race, just as every talking-head liberal, and every Hollywood movie, and every text book and efforts of our cultural elites across the board, are obsessed with excoriating white men as suspect, at best, while holding up all POC as the collective victims of ‘white racism’.

    It pervades and permeates our society, until it becomes a cauldron of seething race-hatred on acid.

    And all of it carefully orchestrated by the 1% for their own class advantage.

    (most of (((whom))), are such uber-racial supremacists that they make the typical white guy- who complains about Affirmative Action, and works and socializes alongside blacks and Hispanics at his job and home, look like Bill de Blasio by comparison to uber-racial supremacists like Alan Dershowitz.

    The 1% use race as a weapon, to divide and conquer. But by a thousand racial cuts, by the time a young white man- trying to make his way in this country- grows up, he knows that he is hated, and reviled, and blamed, and considered ‘persona non grata’ by our society at large, who blames him, living in his rented trailer, and driving his 20 year old rust bucket, for all the failures of the black and brown communities, both domestic and globally, because he’s white, and a male, and so he’s got his metaphorical ‘knee on all POC’s necks’, and they can’t breath! And he’s had it there for Four Hundred Years!!

    Black Lives Matter! You fucking racist white man!

    When are you going to stop holding everybody down?!

    When will your racism and privilege get off of POC’s necks?!

    When will you stop swinging the machetes in Darfur?!

    When will you stop killing young black men in Chicago with your God damn racist guns?!

    When will you allow women to break the glass ceiling?!

    when will you allow Mexican children out of those cages?!

    >>sigh<<

    and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on…

    So, yea, it's about class and race. And it’s the 1% who use race to bolster their unique (and actual) privilege against all the rest of us, by using race (in a very real way), to fuck over white and black and brown people’s lives.

    If we could but just find those guillotines they had back in France, and solve the 1% class problem, then I would bet that people of all races, could find their niches for happiness in our lands, with comity and civility as our natural inclination.

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    Also, as has been mentioned, WorkingClass, you’ll be missed if you do decide to go. Thank you for your efforts here, they were and are appreciated.

    • Agree: gsjackson, Bro43rd
  61. Exile says:

    Pat’s relentless stumping for a do-nothing President who called him a Nazi is an increasingly-embarrassing and incongruous footnote to his career and his integrity.

    I wonder if Ron was just snarking about some intern writing these columns nowadays after all?

  62. bro3886 says:

    This ain’t 1980 old man, racist immigrants will vote white genocide and that will be enough to put the left in. If not this election then the next one. It’s not about Marxists or black lives, it’s all about colonialism.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
  63. gsjackson says:
    @WorkingClass

    I think I read — a few years ago — that Cheney is the only American who had a heart attack in the ’70s and is still alive. He’s had a few of them, but the old reptile keeps on tickin. Must be adrenochrome.

  64. MEexpert says:

    Where the Democratic Party has been a portrait in indecisiveness, Trump has been clear. He stands with the cops who have gone through a hellish six weeks.

    It is not just the democrat party but the Republicans as well. Why aren’t they backing Trump and speaking out against this mob rule. They are too scared. Like the Republican Governors not calling in National Guard to control the mob and stop this destruction. By the time this mob rule comes under control, there will not be enough of America left for anyone to rule her. The rebuilding may take years.

    In the meantime, the money keeps flowing to Israel without interruption. Both republicans and democrats see to that.

  65. Erzberger says:

    “ On one side are those who believe America is a good country, the greatest the world has ever seen, and that the men who created this miracle should be respected, revered and remembered.”

    As long as there is a majority of passionate and deluded patriots who actually believe this, and there may well be such a silent , and not so silent, majority, Trump does indeed have a good chance of winning. Most rational people inside and outside the US will balk at “greatest country the world has ever seen” , not to mention “miracle” , and react in the same way they react to Trump claiming to be the greatest president ever, with the best economy ever, best response to Covid 19, very stable genius, intuitive superior understanding of science, and countless other absurdities. They will laugh, or cry.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  66. @Chris Moore

    What you are saying is, Trump is no Stalin.. As much as he had his issues (mostly that he was/became an internationalist and wanted to conquer Europe), he handled the fifth column, like Trump does not seem capable of.

    Which means the boat can only sink.

  67. Erzberger says:
    @brabantian

    Good picture. No matter where and how this ends, it is already clear that Trump will be an extremely consequential president, on par with the not so gentle gentlemen carved into rock already. The US will not be the same after Trump, not domestically, and certainly not internationally. That much has been clear since 2016. And in that sense, major differences notwithstanding, he is America’s Hitler.

  68. Akindle says:

    Trump has no moral high ground on culture. He had Kim K. and Kanye at the White House for his First Step Act signing even releasing more black felons out of jail.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  69. @Rurik

    It would appear that Observator could benefit from reading some Tommy DiLorenzo and Brion McClanahan.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  70. @dfordoom

    It’s always about class. Making the class war appear to be about race was a masterstroke by the ruling class. All they had to do was hope that people would be dumb enough to fall for it.

    This implies that race was never an issue to White workers and they were merely duped into accepting it. That is false.

    Race absolutely was and is still an issue for Whites living near Black cities.

    The Feds came into urban White neighborhoods and declared that race doesn’t exist and it’s just by chance and or racism that so many Black schools have problems. For urban working class Whites this was a much bigger issue than wages or working conditions.

    In retrospect the concerns of working class Whites were correct. Racial differences are not imagined and the education gap still exists despite billions spent on endless theories. Liberals do not have a single school district that they can hold up as the model. But in all fairness the gap itself was never as much of a problem as unruly Black boys from single parent households which is really the result of myopic welfare policies.

    The White working class was not duped. The duped class would be the White middle class. This group more than any other has bought into the idea that race is merely a “social construct” even though your race can be identified by DNA and there are thousands of medical differences.

    The White working class has been abandoned by everyone. The White middle class has been fooled into thinking that low-class Whites are continuing to hold back Blacks through crass and ignorant racism. Thus they continue to support Democrat social engineering despite continued failure and a refusal of said social engineers to even consider biological differences that have been well documented for over 100 years.

    I’m all for race-blind policies but to dismiss White/Black conflicts as merely a trick of the ruling class is insulting and smacks of the very same race denial that causes the conflicts in the first place.

  71. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    Observator could benefit

    not sure it would help Mike..

    A person needs to have the soul of a free man or woman, to understand in their gut, the principle of freedom- intuitively. It’s not something you can get from a book, IMHO.

    In other words, the ONLY legitimacy of any government, from federal to local sheriff, comes from the ‘consent of the governed’. The second a people no longer consent to a government, then that is the second that such a government becomes illegitimate, and should (must!) be abolished with all due haste.

    But many people are like children, or slaves, and they think the natural and appropriate condition of life is being told what they can and can’t do, by people in ‘authority’.

    ‘You’re not allowed to secede from our authority over you!

    And a slave bows down, and licks his chains.

    Whereas a man who will not be a slave, says ‘Oh yea?’ Govern this!’

    But you have to have this inside you, it’s not something that can be taught, IMHO.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    , @dfordoom
  72. Erzberger says:
    @anonymous1963

    “ How any white American can vote for the Democrats I fail to understand.”

    Because most Dems are white?

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  73. @Rurik

    Yes, I concur that “a person needs to have the soul of a free man or woman, to understand in their gut, the principle of freedom – intuitively.”

    If you grant me the liberty to do so, I think I can say that we, as in you and me, not to be confused by Pat Buchanan’s “we,” have it in our soul, and in our guts. That came first.

    Then the books, the cassettes, the documentaries, the essays, the lectures, the lithographs, the pamphlets, the polemics, the revisions, the short histories, and the surveys.

    Nevertheless, mindful as I am of the NAXALT logical fallacy, I know that there is a talented tenth.

    Likewise, I submit that there are some among the craven who can become courageous; there are some among the diaper-faced who can defenestrate their masks; and, on any given day, there are some among the Grinches whose small hearts will grow three times that day.

    Alas, as Sheena Easton crooned in “You Could Have Been with Me”, “you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.”

    BTW, on the 4th, my wife and I watched a couple of the Duke’s movies, one of which was “She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.” There is a scene in which Wayne’s character, Captain Nathan Brittles of the U.S. Calvary, makes sure that a former Confederate general, now a private under Wayne’s command, is given a proper burial, complete with a cloth stars & bars placed over his grave.

    In the ensuing scene, away from the burial, he scolds his two lieutenants for being on the precipice of fist-a-cuffs during the burial of the former Confederate general.

    The tears just flowed, gushing forth in the realization that the likes of Capt. Brittles are few and far between.

    Wayne’s character, Capt. Brittles, manifested an American attribute that is on the verge of extinction. Unlike the typical Yankee abolitionist, who would just as well slit the throat of a wounded and weak Johnny Reb if he or she could get away with it, or take delight in the impoverishment of a Scarlet O’Hara, many of Wayne’s characters, former Union officers, exemplified a genuine kind of inclusiveness, and a willingness to not only acknowledge and respect men of the Confederacy, but to extend his hand in friendship.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  74. Trump will still win if Biden debates him.

    Already the establishment is coming up with excuses for why Biden shouldn’t debate.

    Part of the problem with the establishment is that they overhype their final candidates instead of being more selective to begin with. They put out so much BS that they start believing it.

    I warned early on that Biden will be a problem because of debating. It won’t be like the primary debate where pro-Dem moderators give out softball questions. We already know Biden explodes into fits of rage when people ask about Hunter and his 80k a month board position. Trump just needs to bring that up early on and I doubt Biden will be able to regain his composure.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/joe-biden-will-have-to-debate-trump-and-liberals-are-rightfully-worried-about-it

    Bernie could at least hold his own in a debate. Biden will lash out and look like a desperate loser.

    Biden is also too impressionable and will listen to the MSM. He’ll most likely pick an underqualified liberal Black female which will annoy independents.

  75. @Akindle

    Trump has no moral high ground on culture. He had Kim K. and Kanye at the White House for his First Step Act signing even releasing more black felons out of jail.

    No one will remember that or care.

    People will remember Trump giving a speech from Mt. Rushmore while Democrat mayors defended and made excuses for rioters.

  76. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    The second a people no longer consent to a government, then that is the second that such a government becomes illegitimate, and should (must!) be abolished with all due haste.

    What exactly does that mean? What does “a people” mean? Does it mean the entire population? Most of the population? Or a small noisy minority?

    And what do you mean by “consent to a government”? Does it mean people want that government abolished entirely? Or merely reformed? Are they rejecting the government’s foreign policy? Its trade policy? Its healthcare policy?

    Do “the people” even know what they want?

    It all sounds hopelessly vague and meaningless to me.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Rurik
  77. While I am opposed to the BLM vandals, looters, thieves, and arsons, the police forces are already far too heavily militarized, and they have let that power go to their heads and are every bit as lawless and destructive as the BLM protesters. How is supporting an abusive tyrannical militarized police state considered to be either fiscally or philisophically conservative in any way? Do not forget all of the civil asset forfeitures that have been enacted by police across the country. It is theft, plain and simple. Isn’t it fiscally conservative to reduce spending on bloated tyrannical bureacracies?

    If the lockdowns had not occured maybe those murders would not have occurred. The lockdowns increased poverty in this country in the most barbaric way.

    The coronavirus conspiracy, systemic corruption, societal collapse, international insanity based on outright scientific fraud and and fraudulent math, total tyranny in the U.S., the IDF takeover of U.S. intelligence, domestic, economic, and foreign policy, the pathological lying media that is responsible, the schools that are responsible, all of it is just such a major pain, it is not surprising why 584,000 have now died as a result of the AMA, FDA, congress,  and deep-state induced opioid epidemic. This is a world unfit for survival. It is like being at a Mad Hatters Tea Party with George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Hannibal Lecturn, Dracula, Frankenstein, Godzilla, King Kong, and the Blob, and I am really not liking it too much!

    The psychopaths in control have constructed a symbolic Tower Of Babble in America. Everything that they are doing is totally senseless. They are all literally just babbling. Their policies do not make a single bit of sense, and are full of contradictions, like trying to save lives by starving people in which now more people are dying from the lockdowns which led to starvation, than the virus which they used as a reason for the lockdowns.

    So this is the way that the Free Masons and Jewish Cabbalists operate.

    They are destroying our country and the world right before our eyes in a symbolic gesture that turns into a physical manifestation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  78. @Erzberger

    They certainly do nothing for ordinary white Americans

  79. dfordoom says: • Website
    @No Friend Of The Devil

    So this is the way that the Free Masons and Jewish Cabbalists operate.

    Conspiracy theories involving Freemasons are my absolute favourites. They’re always good for a laugh. But you forgot to mention the Illuminati.

  80. Rurik says:
    @Liberty Mike

    I submit that there are some among the craven who can become courageous; there are some among the diaper-faced who can defenestrate their masks; and, on any given day, there are some among the Grinches whose small hearts will grow three times that day.

    lol

    And yes, it’s good to keep hope alive. Even for the diaper-faced.

    And I agree with your poignant nostalgia for a time in America, (including cinema), when it wasn’t all rancor and ‘wokeness’ (anti-white hatred), 24/7. We were blessed in a way, to have grown up when we did. I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like for a white child in America in the decades ahead. (Kulaks/Palestinians come to mind). They aren’t tearing down statues of men because they owed slaves, or were great explorers or statesmen. They’re tearing down the statures because the men depicted are white = (racist, evil, nationalists, privileged, blah, blah..)

    It’s infantile and primitive tribalism/racism/butt-hurt ~ but with Red Guard enthusiasm.

    • Replies: @Slimtall
  81. Rurik says:
    @dfordoom

    What does “a people” mean? Does it mean the entire population? Most of the population?

    it depends..

    For example, in Pakistan, you have the Pakistani people. In India, you have the Indian people.

    The Apache are a people, as are the Amish, whom I just mentioned. Germans are a people, as are Russians or Jews. Australians are (still) a people, but whom live among another people, the Aborigines (and increasingly non-Australian immigrants).

    America is a Republic of many varied peoples, but with a common ethos. (freedom to say, go, do, pretty much whatever they want to, so long as they don’t harm others or break laws).

    It isn’t a hard science, it’s rather fluid, but Germans know who they are. So do Indians and Pakistanis and Americans. Even as there are peoples among them, who live there, but don’t consider themselves ‘Germans’, per se, or Americans, for instance.

    And what do you mean by “consent to a government”?

    like Liberty Mike, I too occasionally enjoy old movies. Recently I watched The Way West, with Kirk Douglas, Robert Mitchum, and Richard Widmark, among others.

    It was a good example of how a leader might ‘govern’ under certain circumstances. And how that leadership can be challenged and codified by the collective support, or lack of.. by ‘the people’.

    ‘The people’ were the European settlers, on their way to a new life. And there were ‘Indians’, who were another distinct people, with their own leader (government) no-doubt determined in the same way the white folks settled upon their ‘government’, due to the charactor and other virtues of their leader.

    Does it mean people want that government abolished entirely? Or merely reformed? Are they rejecting the government’s foreign policy? Its trade policy? Its healthcare policy?

    Do “the people” even know what they want?

    My favorite recent example of ‘a people’, not giving consent, was Iceland after the 2008 mass-looting. ‘The people’ of Iceland, collectively beat on pots and pans and everything else they could, to demand that the criminal scumfucks in their government relinquish power. It was beautiful. Bankster scum were put in prison where they belong, instead of given bailouts by the tax slave, like they did here.

    Before that, there was the Fall of the Berlin wall, when a continent decided to tell their commie overlords to fuck off. The people of Germany had said ‘enough’. The people of Russia repudiated Yeltsin, and the commies, and now whole-heartedly support the man they want to govern Russia, Vlad Putin.

    So if you have a nuanced mind, you don’t need all things to be reduced to silly platitudes.

    When the Founders of this nation, decided that they no longer wanted to be ruled by king George, they “withheld their consent”, told him so, and then shot his goons dead when they landed on these sacred shores.

    Likewise, when the Confederacy saw that the tyrants in DC were attempting to subjugate the people of the South, the South rightly and heroically told them to fuck off, and then put musket holes in the goons who presumed to step on sacred Southern land with aggression in their hearts.

    Today our world is being ripped apart by Zionism. It involves two peoples, the Jews and the Arab Palestinians.

    Do you understand that concept? That the Jews of Israel and the Arabs of Palestine, are two distinct peoples, even if there is some blending at the seams?

    And that the Palestinians do not give their consent to the Zionist Jewish supremacists that are trying to subjugate and genocide them.

    Therefor the Zionist regime is not a legitimate government anywhere in Palestine, anymore than the black slaves of the Antebellum South owed their allegiance to the Confederacy.

    The Palestinians are a distinct people, and should (must) be allowed to determine their own destiny, or hatred and strife and war will result, as we have seen and are seeing.

    The tragedy is when two or more distinct peoples inhabit the same space. That’s when you get all the problems we see everywhere today. And all of it is specifically orchestrated by evil (subjective I know, but how else are you going to describe them?!) people for the amusement it gives them to see suffering and misery. ‘We the People’, no longer give our consent to this state of affairs, (or at least we shouldn’t!)

    It all sounds hopelessly vague and meaningless to me.

    Well I hope I’ve cleared it all up for you.

    Basically it’s just a matter of telling some asshole who presumes to tell you what you can or can’t do, to fuck off.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @dfordoom
  82. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    America is a Republic of many varied peoples, but with a common ethos. (freedom to say, go, do, pretty much whatever they want to, so long as they don’t harm others or break laws).

    But that common ethos no longer exists. Maybe it existed once but it certainly doesn’t exist now. America is a nation divided by several different ethoses. The dominant ethos may once have been “freedom to say, go, do, pretty much whatever they want to, so long as they don’t harm others or break laws” but that is no longer the case.

    That ethos still enjoys some support among people aged 40 and over. It enjoys almost no support among younger age brackets. Which means that not only is it no longer the dominant ethos, such support as it still has is inexorably declining.

    You might not like this, other people here might not like it, Pat Buchanan might not like it, I might not like it, but reality has to be accepted. Wishful thinking and living in the past isn’t going to change anything.

    Which is why I made the point – What does “a people” mean? Does it mean the entire population? Most of the population? If the common ethos that you’re relying on has collapsed then the question “what does a people mean” has to be answered. And “consent to a government” becomes a complicated matter if one part of the population is happy to consent to the government and another part isn’t.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    When the Founders of this nation, decided that they no longer wanted to be ruled by king George, they “withheld their consent”, told him so, and then shot his goons dead when they landed on these sacred shores.

    Was it really that simple? Weren’t there quite a few among the colonists who wanted to remain loyal to the King? Was it really “the people” who withheld consent, or was it merely a dominant faction among the people?

    And didn’t those loyalists get comprehensively shafted?

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  84. @dfordoom

    Actually they moved to Canada, including my ancestors.

  85. Rurik says:
    @dfordoom

    “freedom to say, go, do, pretty much whatever they want to, so long as they don’t harm others or break laws” but that is no longer the case.

    It still is, but barely.

    Cornhole virus hysteria, isn’t helping. They’re conditioning the sheople to accept increasingly outrageous infringements on their daily lives.

    You’re free to vandalize public places and monuments, but not to sing at church.

    So yea, we’re witnessing the death of Thomas Jefferson right in front of our eyes, to be replaced with Robert Mugabe.

    Which is why I made the point – What does “a people” mean? Does it mean the entire population? Most of the population? If the common ethos that you’re relying on has collapsed then the question “what does a people mean” has to be answered. And “consent to a government” becomes a complicated matter if one part of the population is happy to consent to the government and another part isn’t.

    I thought I did a pretty good job of ‘fleshing out’ what ‘a people’ means, in my last comment to you.

    But I’ll try again.

    The nation is being rended asunder, as we speak. You might say by the efforts of two distinct peoples. These peoples are not divided by race or tribe, per se, but rather by their respective ethos.

    The ethos of the ‘wokeness’ on the left, is one of hatred and grievance. They contend that everything that America ever was, or is, is based on, and a direct consequence of white racism.

    They believe that everything that smacks of white racism, (straight, unapologetic white men, merit, rule of law, heritage, culture), must be utterly destroyed, and burned to the ground, so that a more ‘socially just’ society can be built on the ashes of ‘white supremacy’.

    These ‘people’ are everywhere, and you can see them protesting and vandalizing and being ‘woke’ and triggered, all over the media, or even in the streets of America today.

    They are, ‘a people’, demanding a revolution, now.

    Then, on the other side, you have ‘a people’ who consider themselves law-abiding Americans, in good standing, who hate no one, but neither do they hate themselves. This is unacceptable to ‘wokeness’, which mandates that all white Americans are all guilty and racist and stained, and must be hated and repudiated (especially by whites themselves), or we’re never going to have ‘social justice’.

    It’s basically just a replay of the Russian revolution, orchestrated by ((the exact same people)), and using the hoards of losers and minorities, to slaughter and subjugate the productive Russian (and Ukrainian and other) people, so they could steal their stuff, and claim the nation as their own.

    They’re just doing a Bolshevik redux.

    So yea, it gets complicated. If you want a simple answer to ‘what are a people’, it isn’t that simple. It’s nuanced, but with some cognitive cyphering, you can make sense of it all.

    Weren’t there quite a few among the colonists who wanted to remain loyal to the King? Was it really “the people” who withheld consent, or was it merely a dominant faction among the people?

    And didn’t those loyalists get comprehensively shafted?

    If ‘the people’ were not on board with ‘withholding consent’, it would have never worked.

    The Founders were the leaders of the movement, but the vast majority of ‘the people’ had to be on board, or the Continental Army wouldn’t have any soldiers, and the ones they did have would be fighting their fellow Americans. So what happened, is a critical mass of ‘the people’ realized that king George had broken faith with the Colonies, and secession from his tyrannical rule was an imperative for any hope for American freedom and happiness.

    The Colonists had gone from being British subjects, to a free people – by the collective will of ‘the people’. They had morphed into a new people, by refusing to remain as perpetual slaves to the Bank of England.

    Just as modern Americans have morphed into a craven, sniveling people, willing to tolerate all manner of outrages against their (missing) dignity today.

    So you had the original colonists, who were a people.

    Then you had the glorious American revolution, that created a new, and proud and free people.

    Then you had the age of Zion, that reduced those proud people into worms.

    All three are ‘a people’, and all three had/have their respective ethos, (loyalty to England – to proud and free – to craven and wormlike zombies ; )

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  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rurik

    The nation is being rended asunder, as we speak. You might say by the efforts of two distinct peoples. These peoples are not divided by race or tribe, per se, but rather by their respective ethos.

    Which is pretty much the point I was making. In the Anglosphere you can no longer talk of “the people” – there are several “peoples.” And “the people” who hold to the old ethos are very much in the minority among younger age brackets, and in fact among the young they’re a steadily declining minority. So the possibility of “the people” withholding consent to government becomes, in practice, meaningless. “The people” who have the numbers and the power and the money are not going to withhold their consent and if the minority “people” try to do so it won’t do them any good.

    Remember, democracy is sacred so if the majority decides to consent to the government what exactly can the minority do about it?

    The power balance has swung so far that those who hold to the old ethos probably, in practice, no longer have the weapon of withholding consent to the government in their arsenal. Twenty years ago they might have been able to do.

  87. Slimtall says:
    @Rurik

    you should research your white history, not that john wayne bullshit, chickens are coming home to roost,you reap what you sow, and i am loving it

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