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Look at the chart above. The chart explains everything.

It explains why Washington is so worried about China’s explosive growth. It explains why the US continues to hector China on the issues of Taiwan and the South China Sea. It explains why Washington sends congressional delegations to Taiwan in defiance of Beijing’s explicit requests. It explains why the Pentagon continues to send US warships through the Taiwan Strait and ship massive amounts of lethal weaponry to Taipei. It explains why Washington is creating anti-China coalitions in Asia that are aimed at encircling and provoking Beijing. It explains why the Biden administration is stepping up its trade war on China, imposing onerous economic sanctions on its businesses, and banning critical high-tech semi-conductors that are “are essential not just… for virtually every aspect of modern society, from electronic products and transport to the design and production of all manner of goods.” It explains why China has been singled-out in the US National Security Strategy (NSS) as “the only competitor with both the intent and, increasingly, the capability to reshape the international order.” It explains why Washington now regards China as its biggest and most formidable strategic adversary that must be isolated, demonized and defeated.

The chart above explains everything, not just the hostile diplomatic jabs that are designed to discredit and humiliate China, but also the openly belligerent policies that are aimed at Russia as well. People need to understand this. They need to see what is really going on so they can put events in their proper geopolitical context.

And what “context” is that?

The context of a Third World War; a war that was thoroughly-planned, instigated and (now) prosecuted by Washington and Washington’s proxies. That’s what’s really going on. The increasingly violent conflagrations we see cropping-up in Ukraine and Asia are not the result of “Russian aggression” or “evil Putin”. No. They are the actualization of a sinister geopolitical strategy to quash China’s meteoric rise and preserve America’s dominant role in the world order. Can there be any doubt about that?

No. None.

This is why we are experiencing the redivision of the world into warring blocs. This is why we are seeing the roll back of 30 years of Globalization and massive suppyline disruption. And this is why Europe has been thrust headlong into frigid darkness and forced deindustrialisation. All of these suicidal policies were concocted for one purpose and one purpose alone, to maintain America’s exalted spot in the global system. That is why all of humanity is presently embroiled in a Third World War; a war that is designed to prevent China from becoming the world’s biggest economy; a war that is designed to preserve US global primacy. Check out this excerpt from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:

An October 19 Financial Times article by Edward Luce, entitled “Containing China is Biden’s explicit goal,” sounded the following alarm: “Imagine that a superpower declared war on a great power and nobody noticed. Joe Biden this month launched a full-blown economic war on China—all but committing the US to stopping its rise—and for the most part, Americans did not react.

“To be sure, there is Russia’s war on Ukraine and inflation at home to preoccupy attention. But history is likely to record Biden’s move as the moment when US-China rivalry came out of the closet.”

Moreover, last week, a top Biden administration official indicated that the US was preparing new bans on China in key hi-tech areas. Speaking at the Center for a New American Security, Alan Estevez, the under-secretary of Commerce for Industry and Security, was asked if the US would ban China from accessing quantum information science, biotechnology, artificial intelligence software or advanced algorithms. Estevez admitted that this was already being actively discussed. “Will we end up doing something in those areas? If I was a betting person, I would put down money on that,” he said….

Luce concluded his Financial Times article cited above by declaring: “Will Biden’s gamble work? I’m not relishing the prospect of finding out. For better or worse, the world has just changed with a whimper not a bang. Let us hope it stays that way.”…(“Biden’s technology war against China”, World Socialist Web Site)

Once again, look at the chart. What does it tell you?

The first thing it tells you is that the hostilities we see in Ukraine (and eventually Taiwan), can be traced back to a fundamental shift in the global economy. China is growing stronger. It’s on a path to overtake the United States economy within the decade. And with growth, come certain benefits. As the world’s biggest economy, China will naturally become Asia’s regional hegemon. And, as Asia’s regional hegemon it will be able “to settle regional disputes in its own favor and to de-legitimize U.S. regional and global leadership.”

Can you see the problem here?

For nearly two decades, the US has oriented its foreign policy around a “rebalancing of forces” strategy called the “pivot to Asia”. In short, the US intends to be the dominant player in the world’s most populous and prosperous region, Asia. Can you see how China’s rise derails Washington’s plan for the future?

The United States is not going to let this happen without a fight. Washington is not going to let China muscle-it-out of the markets that it plans to dominate. That’s not going to happen. And if you think that’s going to happen, you’d better think again. The United States will go to war to avoid a scenario in which the US plays “second fiddle” to China. In fact, the foreign policy establishment has already decided that the US will engage China militarily for that very objective.

So, our thesis is simple; we think WW3 has already begun. That’s all we’re saying. The ructions we see in Ukraine are merely the first salvo in a Third World War that has already triggered an unprecedented energy crisis, massive worldwide food insecurity, a catastrophic break-down in global supply lines, widespread and out-of-control inflation, the steady reemergence of extreme nationalism, and the redivision of the world into warring blocs. What more proof do you need?

And it’s all economic. The origins of this conflict can all be traced back to the seismic changes in the global economy, the rise of China and the unavoidable decline of the United States. It is a case of one empire replacing the other. Naturally, a transition of this magnitude is going to generate tectonic changes in global distribution of power. And along with those changes will come more flashpoints, more devastation, and the looming prospect of nuclear war. And this is precisely how things are playing out.

So, how does the chart explain what is happening in Ukraine?

Washington’s proxy war in Ukraine is actually aimed at China not Russia. Russia is not a peer competitor and Russia does not have the economic wherewithal to displace the United States in the global order. NordStream, however, did pose a significant risk to the US by greatly strengthening Moscow’s economic relations with the EU and particularly with Europe’s industrial powerhouse, Germany. The Moscow-Berlin alliance—which was mutually beneficial and key to German prosperity—had to be sabotaged to prevent further economic integration that would have drawn the continents closer together into the world’s biggest free trade zone. Washington had to stop that in order to preserve its economic stranglehold on Europe and defend the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Even so, no one expected the US to blow up the pipeline itself in—what appears to be—the greatest act of industrial terrorism in history. That was truly shocking.

In essence, Washington sees Russia as an obstacle to its “pivot” plan to encircle, isolate and weaken China. But Russia is not the greatest threat to US global primacy; not even close. That designation belongs to China.

The Third World War is being waged to contain China not Russia. What the war in Ukraine suggests is that—among foreign policy elites—there is general agreement that, The road to Beijing goes through Moscow. That appears to be the consensus view. In other words, US powerbrokers want to weaken Russia in order to spread US military bases across Asia. Ultimately, the military will be called upon to enforce Washington’s economic rule over its new Asian subjects. If that day ever comes.

We think it is extremely unlikely that Washington’s ambitious plan will succeed, but we have no doubt that it will be implemented all the same. Tens of millions of people are likely to die in a desperate attempt to turn-back the clock to the fleeting ‘unipolar moment’ and the equally short-lived American Century. It is a tragedy beyond comprehension.

 
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  1. Rubicon says:

    Mike;
    Surely you realize the difference between how the US *measures* GDP vs. other nations.

    The US measures its GDP which always INCLUDES the profits made by the Big New York Banks along with ALL corporate earnings; profits from Big Insurance, Big Medicine, Big Tech, and Real Estate. ETc.

    In NO way does the Federal Government ever exclude the big winners in Capitalism.

    If the Federal government null and voided what the wealthy, Very Wealthy classes earned, you’d end up with a GDP of about: .00002%.

  2. US has serious problems.

    Jewish Power, Black nuttery, Homo degeneracy, white cuckery, insane wokery, etc.

    But China has massive debt issues, environmental issues, and demographic issues.

    Now, if all the world work together, it might be better for all nations.

    But as US under Jewish control is in supremacist mode, there will be more tensions, maybe a big depression and another world war.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @brostoevsky
  3. The USA just high tailed it out of Afghanistan. Bearded religious nuts in sandals won. What chance does the USA have against millions of disciplined Chinese?

    • Thanks: Realist
  4. A couple of ignorant questions: a) Does America’s decline HAVE to happen? Can it be slowed or even reversed if we had a legitimate government?
    b) Russia has things China doesnt,like oil and gas, agriculture, timber,minerals,etc. Isn’t Russia more important than you give it credit for?

  5. How The Chinese Communist Party Works.

    • Thanks: Agent76
  6. And it’s all economic. The origins of this conflict can all be traced back to the seismic changes in the global economy, the rise of China and the unavoidable decline of the United States. It is a case of one empire replacing the other.

    US can decline in sanity and morality, but it can’t decline in power. It has too many resources, too many people(with lots of talent), too much money, and too many connections.

    Also, China may come to be the Asian hegemon, but it will never want to be a world power. It’s just not in the Chinese DNA.

    • Agree: SteveK9
    • LOL: RoatanBill, Realist, Legba
    • Replies: @ld
  7. IronForge says:

    Author:

    Recommend that you get a Chart that only goes as far as projecting 5-10 Years.

    The 30year projection you have is Bunk. Too Far ahead – especially in this Sanctions-Happy and Energy Flow Situation. It’s unstable.

    Only thing we might be able to say is that it’s highly likely CHN will grow their Economy Faster than the USA will with theirs for the foreseeable future.

    • Agree: MarkU, Son of a Jedi
    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  8. Washington’s proxy war in Ukraine is actually aimed at China not Russia.

    You are right. Washington thinks this.

    However Russia AND China know that the Ukraine war is actually about aligning the rest of the world (85%) against the US Empire & vassals aka The West (15%).

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Berkleyboy
  9. saggy says: • Website

    The first thing it tells you is that the hostilities we see in Ukraine (and eventually Taiwan), can be traced back to a fundamental shift in the global economy. China is growing stronger.

    This seems to be total nonsense. The war in Ukraine is a continuation of aggression that has been ongoing since the end of WW II, and that has resulted in both nations developing doomsday machines that can destroy much of the world in a day. This has nothing to do with China or GDP.

    • Replies: @The_Masterwang
  10. Zane says:

    China is a bug in search of a windshield.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  11. Slothrop says:

    Russia is vulnerable to Jewish power minus Putin, which is the reason he needs to be toppled. This is how they plan to encircle China. Jews have no leverage over China but they did over Russia during the Yeltsin years. The Jews and the Chinese are the only two tribes that matter on the global stage.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  12. The red line in that graph looks more like Russias military losses rather than Chinas economic growth lol

  13. Ghali says:

    The U.S. is not in a war mode. The US is incapable of conducting war against any country that can defend its sovereignty. The US is perpetuating international terrorism, including economic terrorism against Russia, China and Germany. Fortunately, the US will fail miserably and become irrelevant. Let’s hope Russia stops begging to be a US “partner”, and shows moral responsibility towards countries like the DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran among other US victims of terrorism.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine, Legba
    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  14. krollchem says:

    The West created the Hong Kong color revolution that failed in order to influence the Taiwan election, thus bringing into power a US-friendly government.

    The US dream to make Taiwan a base to poke china is likely to fail as a result of the Western war against Russia in Ukraine. Russia is dramatically winning this war against NATO in Ukraine and will dramatically affect Taiwan’s economy. Specifically, Taiwan is the global leader in computer chip production but is facing a neon shortage in the near future as Ukraine’s production has dramatically declined. Once Russia reclaims Odessa all neon production will go the Russia and its allies.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/25/russia-ukraine-war-laser-neon-shortage-threatens-semiconductor-industry.html

  15. Toza says:

    I think you nailed the appraisal again, Mr. Whitney.

    • Agree: JR Foley
  16. @Rubicon

    The way US measures its GDP is a joke. Expenditure based measurements are always faulty because one can spend borrowed money, both from others and from one’s own future (debt). And there was a thread here showing how the US twists and turns yardsticks to get ahead. For example, if one owns a house, then adding its rental value to the income; this is in no way justifiable.

    An economy has only three main functions – to produce, to distribute and to settle disputes. Everything else, including defence, is overhead. The most useless overhead is the compound interest. Overheads are like barnacles; they slow down the ship, and if uncontrolled, even sink it through overgrowth.

    • Agree: HbutnotG
    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  17. Ktulu says:

    You’re missing the obvious initial salvo: a virus intended on tieing up the workers of China’s industry by making them all very sick. This is frankly why the whole world ought to be very concerned about American use of nuclear weapons; the U.S. already used WMDs in the form of Covid, why wouldn’t they continue to use WMDs after this proxy war fails?

  18. I once lost my job after drunkenly chanting repeatedly “THAI WIFE SOFT OPTION – THAI WIFE SOFT OPTION etc,,,” at a reception to celebrate my aged boss announcing he was marrying a young Asian ….. I also remember many years ago working in China and my government host took me to see a traditional Chinese Orchestra which featured a nose-powered accordian and a one-stringed cello amongst other stupid instruments, and at the end of the performance he proclaimed “May China music last 1000 year !” I replied “Chinese music is the the most discordant and mindless cultural cul-de-sac of shite I have ever heard – now, please take me back to my 5 star hotel so I can view porn” to which he gave an equally strange answer – “Why not use woman for sex?” …. I explained that it was not so easy at short notice, western women have a mind of their own and even if they did agree you would still have to talk to them and get them to like you somewhat over a period of minutes – if not hours etc…. He laughed and explained there was no such problem with Chinese women – they had no mind of their own and made perfect sex drones – and in fact was China’s biggest export to Western countries, particularly Canada, which would very likely become communist as a result. Well, that was 20 years ago. I didn’t expect it become true so soon.

  19. @Rubicon

    Correct.
    US GDP is puffed up with non-productive FIRE monies. Money that circulates largely amongst the 1% & brings very limited benefit to society. We might also add that a significant portion of that FIRE money can be defined as “fictive capital” — ie “money” created out of thin air & then rebirthed as distorted market valuations.
    Also include in fictional inflation rates which inflate GDP.
    The upshot? China’s economy has been larger than the US’s for some time now (using PPP valuations China’s economy has been officially larger than the US for years now).
    It is only a matter of time & luck that China will soon catch up to the US on the technology issues mentioned by Mike.

    • Agree: Rubicon
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Daniel H
  20. P.T. says:

    Joe and Hunter Biden are on China’s and Ukraine’s payroll.

    • Replies: @The_Masterwang
  21. WCH says:

    China surpassed the US a long time ago. The US is a debtor nation, China owns much of the debt. The US is run by a bunch of hysterical fools and China is not. The war in Ukraine was over when Russia rolled in.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  22. This chart is utter nonsense. China is already in demographic decline and is flailing badly trying to deal with COVID.

    The one chart that matters is population growth in Sub Saharan Africa relative to the rest of the world.

  23. We think it is extremely unlikely that Washington’s ambitious plan will succeed, but we have no doubt that it will be implemented all the same.

    This is why I am a misanthrop. And a Separatist.

  24. Cook says:

    Another interesting case is forming in Australia at the moment which has similarities to the Assange case in that the charges were drawn up in Washington against an American now living in Australia.

    Is this more global government in the form of American laws been levied outside their borders.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-04/former-us-fighter-pilot-to-fight-extradition-from-australia/101618094

  25. Brosi says:

    The “US” has been busy degrading its most precious asset, its people, for decades now. Perhaps even over a century. The US has been busy degrading its second most precious asset, its middle class, for decades now. The US has been busy degrading its third most precious asset, its dynamic and productive small businesses, for decades now. The US has been busy degrading its entire culture and civilization by the massive and deliberate policy of replacement of high IQ and highly educated people by low IQ and low education POC from across the entire planet.

    The entire globohomo movement and the march to trannystan has not only degraded the morals of the people, but also the food stock for the US military. The corrupt “US” MIC can no longer produce effective weapons systems in volume nor can it find high quality soldiers required to operate them.

    In light of these simple facts, the assertion that the “US” is trying to maintain is hegemony of power long term is absurd.

    All this war mongering, trade wars and sanction wars are about other goals of a small transnational cabal pulling strings across the planet:
    – The continued preeminence of the US dollar and its use as the primary tool for Judaic
    plundering of the entire planet through their usual practice of usury.
    – The mad march towards androgeny and transhumanism
    – The control of all energy and other resource production across the planet by a small cabal of satanic elites
    – The mass culling of humanity and elimination of all threats to this small cabal

    Russia, Iran and China appear to be unwilling to submit to this cabal and its goals or to pledge fealty to it. The Judaic cabal has one choice: either force Putin and Xi to submit or to give up on everything they have worked for centuries for. Clearly the cabal is willing to take the planet to the brink of nuclear war, and over it, in order to have its way.

  26. Thank you and this offers a great explanation for the US strategy. All the tactical maneuvers initiated and deployed by the U.S. are working. They are hitting the target. China has been weakened, its growth trajectory slowed, and its global position compromised. With belt and road projects exploding and Chinese access to critical technologies and capital drying up, China has been restricted to its domestic economy. The gamble here, of course, is that they will break first via regime change or a change in behavior. The problem is that we have very little clarity on what the Chinese counter strategy is and if it is only defensive in nature in terms of blocking and tackling American moves or is it something more than that? Pakistan, for example, serves as a great example where Chinese influence was broken and the country was pulled into the US camp. In Ethiopia an attempt was made but didn’t work. So what is the counter strategy of China and is it both forward-basing and offensive (implying making overt strategic moves against US interests) or only defensive (implying just blocking and tackling the U.S. moves)? I don’t see a thing written on their strategy – unless they have none.

  27. Indeed. For Americans, it’s all about being No1 and every stat is a competitive pi**ing contest.
    A normal people would not fight the law of large numbers, and it would be fine with others increasing their living standards, even above ones own, if it meant they were still doing well or even better.

  28. MarkU says:

    So the same people that enriched themselves and turned China into an industrial giant by off-shoring US and EU industries are now alarmed at the development.

    But it was all going to be alright because they were going to knock over seven countries in five years and control most of the planet’s energy supplies.

    Oops.

    The West is being run (or ruined) by deluded oligarchs ‘advised’ by a coterie of professional yes-men. You can have all the expertise in the world at your fingertips but what use is it if you only hire people that are telling you what you want to hear?

    In a mere two or three decades these morons have more or less destroyed the West. Starting from a position of undisputed pre-eminence, we are now on the brink of a massive economic and social collapse. We are also on the brink of a nuclear apocalypse because they have been chugging on their own propaganda for so long that they have become completely detached from reality.

    If we lived in a democracy we could vote them out.

    • Agree: SteveK9
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  29. Trying to get a better grasp of China than either “China is evil incarnate” or “China can do no wrong” which seem to be the two main strands of “understanding”, I’ve come across this site, which gives a really interesting perspective, somewhere in the middle. Allegedly, it is written from inside China, by someone(s) with an Austrian Economics perspective.

    https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/foxconn-lockdown-ignored

    From the article, regarding zero-Covid: “How much more financial pain are the governments in Beijing, the provincial and major city governments prepared to accept before they start making corrections to their policies?”

    I cannot vouch for the site, but present it for your consideration. Personally, I find that the balanced presentation in itself gives it a certain kind of credibility.

  30. China has a hollow economy and the government is doing all it can to keep it going, and they are, at best, treading water.

    • Thanks: JackOH
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @ld
    , @SteveK9
    , @littlereddot
  31. @Sean

    China’s lockdowns have been much stricter than the West’s. It seems that, if anyone was at all worried about not harming the economy, it was the West.
    It’s funny that Mike Whitney and his ilk were the major disseminators of anti-lockdown propaganda. By his own reasoning, he could be accused of being overly worried about the U.S. lagging behind economically.
    As for the sanctions, it appears that the discourse of Mike Whitney and other anti-U.S. propagandists is that somehow the U.S. is benefitting, at the expense of Europe. But the leaderships in the U.S. and Europe are fairly cohesive in this regard.

    • Replies: @Sean
  32. Even if we somehow rid ourselves of the immense problems in America ie Jews, Anglo Freemasonry, Blacks, Browns, and the great multitude of Asiatic Hordes, I and any other proper White Man should still look at the Chinese as an existential threat to our existence. I don’t want to confront them in the position we are in now however that doesn’t mean they still aren’t racial competitors and therefore enemies.

    • Thanks: RedNordid1488
  33. MarkU says:
    @IronForge

    An understatement if anything, even making a 5-10 year projection would be assuming a lot.

    • Agree: Realist
  34. onebornfree says: • Website

    That graph explains absolutely NOTHING. 🙂

    First of all, it is a concoction of the IMF [The International Mafia Fund] and one of its many criminal cohorts, Danske Bank. This is nothing more than blatant pro China propaganda.

    Anyone [governmental or otherwise] dumb enough to believe any of the propaganda B.S. put out by the IMF et al either has a hole in their head, or is in dire need of one.

    Second of all, and more importantly, it is a projection, via the red and black dotted lines, that is, a guess as to an imagined future state of affairs, and is not actually current, past around 2019,[solid red and black lines], as far as I can see.

    [MORE]

    So the IMF’s “real” figures stop in 2019 or there abouts. 🙂

    Reality Fact:

    Any halfway common sense economist, investor or speculator already is very much aware of the unalterable real world fact that the future state of economic affairs for anything, or for any country, cannot be reliably forecast.

    As Ludwig Von Mises said:

    “If it were possible to calculate the future structure of the market, the future would not be uncertain. There would be neither entrepreneurial loss nor profit. What people expect from the economists is beyond the power of any mortal man.”

    Regards, onebornfreeatyahoo

    PS: If anything, China will most likely economically collapse in the next 10-15 years.

    Why?

    It is already teetering on the edge [eg its real estate market, and its banks], thanks to the idiotic centralist policies of its chief halfwit, Xi, who has imposed [and continues to so do] “zero-covid “lockdowns on entire cities/regions, including its largest and most productive [Shanghai and others]. I understand that 500 million are currently under lockdown in China.

    Only economic halfwits like Xi are capable of believing that such policies will increase the standard of living for the general population of China,

    Xi and his gang of murdering crooks needs to be overthrown and executed ASAP, as far as I’m concerned..

    For more on investing/speculating given an unknowable economic future, see :

    ” How To Safely Profit In Stocks,Gold,Crypto’s etc., Despite An Unknown & Unknowable Economic Future ” : https://onebornfreesfinancialsafetyreports.blogspot.com/2016/11/speculations-got-money-you-can-afford.html

    • Agree: Marcali
    • Thanks: Bro43rd
  35. JackOH says:
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Depending on the specific metric, and whether we credit substance to the metric, I think there are commonly countries, and sometimes dozens of countries, that do better than the United States. Our pandemic performance, as a single f’r instance, has us in the bottom 20 of all countries in the world.

    I’m not sure where we stand on those international rankings of public corruption, or even how it’s defined for ranking purposes, but I’m confident we ought to place very much higher in public corruption. I don’t see us as a so-called high-trust society at all. (We’ve actually had Congressmen wincingly admit on 60 Minutes that lobbyists write the legislation that the House and Senate whips tell them to endorse.)

    Perhaps we ought to think of ourselves as some sort of Third-World-in-process economy and people. Your reference to legitimate government is pretty much spot on.

    I don’t like the idea that many Americans’ grandchildren will live economically poorer and socially meaner lives than their grandparents.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  36. @MarkU

    I’ve read your post and you’re smarter than : we could vote them out

    You know damned well that voting gets you nowhere. You vote once every few years and the criminals you voted in the last time do their dirty work the entire time. Voting is for fools.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  37. JackOH says:
    @Quartermaster

    I half-listened to a radio interview with an economics prof who said, in academic language, the West had transferred to China all it can and it can’t/won’t transfer more except in a much slower fashion. In a nutshell–Western elites have “successfully” vacuumed us out of industrial capacity.

    The prof also added that Chinese politicians now want in on the Chinese billionaires’ action mostly through taxation and regulation. I was startled. You may have a point.

  38. For all you people that believe in the necessity of government, I ask you to consider who/what is causing all the trouble in the world? It is always some gov’t mafia that has an issue with some other gov’t mafia. The people can get along with each other, but it’s the gov’t aparachiks that have to stir up trouble to maintain their position and / or weaken their adversary. This is gang warfare on the largest scale, that’s all.

    Why must there be some entity that says who a business person may trade with? Why must people be cold and hungry because some politician decided to blow up a pipeline? Every move any gov’t makes has effects on its and the world’s people and their international machinations never produce a good outcome.

    Why can’t you people see that it is gov’t that is the cancer upon the world? China will be the new hegemon in Asia because they will be the largest gang. Their politicians are every bit as human and crooked as US politicians. Do they allow the use of real money, or do they insist on controlling their tax cattle with a national currency? Do they forcefully lockdown their people for some trivial ailment that most survive? Do they purposely ruin businesses built up over years because some asshole politician says so?

    Wake the hell up people. You are rooting for the entity that wants to incinerate the world.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  39. GDP is a function of money printing and nothing else.
    It does not show industrial production or well being.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  40. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brosi

    Brosi,
    I agree with you – the “free market capitalism” is the poison killing America. China and to an extent – Russia are planned economies – run by technocrats actually interested in their countries’ working class. America is run by parasites interested only in themselves and their greedy families.
    American parasites are not even wanting to live in America for the long run – they will move to Patagonia, New Zealand or Israel as soon as America goes down. If America is to survive, we need to tax the parasites and reward the actual working class.
    But that will never happen – the parasites in America will destroy this Earth before they accept socialism and their own decline.

    • Agree: Hulkamania, Rubicon
    • Thanks: RedNordid1488
  41. BlackFlag says:
    @Priss Factor

    Even if China loses 1/3 of its population due to few births, they still have a massive advantage in population, not to mention that it is more industrious, clever, and cohesive. Neither is the skew toward aging a big problem cause unlike in places like Sweden, the Chinese govt will not have to spend a lot of money on the elderly. Lastly, a decent chance China govt has the ability to increase births.

    Environmental problems are unpleasant but have little effect on power and production.

    Debt might be an issue. IDK. Can you give more info? But doomsayers have been saying this for decades about both China and the US and nothing ever happened.

    The big advantage of America is that it continually attracts the a massive amount of smart people from all over the globe. Every year maybe 200k really competent people move to America.

    • Replies: @Realist
  42. Bro43rd says:

    Nary a difference. 3 investment firms own 60% of the worlds assets, yes all the wealth of the entire world. Makes no difference which country is leading in economic growth or GDP. As long as the people continue to use the phony fiat money the tyranny will grow unabated. End currency controls, repeal legal tender laws & let money be determined organically by the market (the producers & customers). Money is the biggest factor in controlling people, free money from government controll & get out the way. Watch it go free.

    • Replies: @BAA
  43. BlackFlag says:
    @animalogic

    PPP is a better measure overall but nominal is better for measuring ability to influence foreign states using certain methods which are: funding of friendly parties, politicians, bureaucrats, bribes, running NGOs in foreign countries, & blocking imports, & I assume some other ways.

  44. ld says:
    @Priss Factor

    You are quite the unconscious commedian

  45. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rubicon

    GDP tracks a thread of propaganda which seems to me best described as the crap expressed by a set of tools designed to sequester support for corporate and holding company villains who depend on wall street for access to money markets and who depend on government to generate monopoly power that can be privatized and distributed by rule of law to the corporate and holding company villains.

  46. Caliban says:

    Not going to happen for a lot of reasons. China is collapsing as I write. China has the fastest ageing demography in history. By 2050, Chinese population will be half what it is now. They are literally disappearing as a people. The ageing of the Chinese population also makes the Chinese economy export dependant, at a time when globalisation is trending down. China has a debt to GDP ratio that puts western economies in the shade. China is going to collapse this decade and it will surprise a lot of people.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
    , @Jim H
  47. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a bit more to it. China is outgrowing the US, of course, but China is also showing the world how you grow without fucking your population over. By ratifying the ICESCR China has committed to allocating all available resources to economic, social, and cultural rights. The world is holding China to it independent review by ECOSOC and the HRC.

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/upr/cn-index

    You can see how that would embarrass the US, which wants to impose its own model of maximizing corporate gross value added with debt peonage for social control and all available state resources allocated to repression like cops in tanks, totalitarian surveillance, and agents provocateur.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  48. @Zane

    China is a bug in search of a windshield.

    A completed China bug has just put itself on the biggest global windscreen!

  49. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    What the USA *REALLY* wants to do is to nurture a Chinese Gorbachev – in other words a damned cretinous pompous arrogant stupid fool and filthy dirty shameless greedy traitor – and destroy China from within, and then loot its assets.

    This is the real and biggest danger that faces China.

    I hope against hope that the Chinese are aware of this fact.

  50. @Priss Factor

    In our day and age things move faster. They might try to skip the depression and go straight to the world war this time around. America can’t let Russia win in Ukraine if they want to contain China. The Russian military goes a lot deeper than they let on. The US MSM has been trying to downplay the Russian Army since the beginning. They were really clever. They said Russia would roll over Ukraine in a week, when they didn’t they said look the Russian Army isn’t so good. In the words of John Kirby it was a bunch of malarkey.

  51. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @WCH

    Sorry WCH, this post was meant for Akuleyev.

    Bull Poppy.

    Africa’s population growth doesn’t matter a damn – it will never amount to anything EXCEPT it will mark the death of charismatic wildlife, and, oh, you can rely upon the fact that the western elites will be dumb enough to invite them all in. Voluntarily.

    The FACT and REALITY of full spectrum Chinese global, economic, financial, industrial, scientific etc dominance is pretty much baked in at this stage. Unless, of course, a Chinese Gorbachev emerges.

    Oh, and by the way, global WHITE, ie European descent demographics are damned sight worse than Chinese demographics – majority non white populations in the USA, France, UK etc by mid century. And the leaders of these nations are importing the third world at break neck speed…..

    • Replies: @Realist
  52. @saggy

    Even Russian commentators say this war in Ukraine is meant to subjugate Russia in order to have a much more advantageous position against China.

  53. Realist says:
    @BlackFlag

    I agree with your comments.

    Every year maybe 200k really competent people move to America.

    But they are accompanied by 10MM idiots.

  54. @P.T.

    Americans take stupidity to a whole new level.

    Exactly what does China pay Biden for his service?

    • Replies: @P.T.
  55. Treg says:

    Heres a warning about neocons inside our government and their plans …


    Video Link

    • Thanks: Agent76, annamaria
  56. Realist says:
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Russia has things China doesnt,like oil and gas, agriculture, timber,minerals,etc. Isn’t Russia more important than you give it credit for?

    You are correct about oil and gas and timber, but China is no slouch when it comes to agriculture and minerals. Plus China with 1.4 billion people and an average IQ of 105 has more geniuses than anywhere on earth.

  57. eudion2 says:

    1. If you recognize that the rent-seeking financial sector is parasitical rather than productive, then US GDP is about thirty percent lower than the IMF statistics pretend, and China surpassed US GDP a decade ago.

    2. China is an industrial superpower with one crippling weakness: industry needs resources. The US can blockade and sanction resources such as oil and food from reaching China from everywhere in the world except Russia. If the Globalists can control or destroy Russia, China will see its formidable GDP grind to a halt and China will fall into Globalist hands, turning back into a Third World economy overnight and groveling before the Globalists just for the resources to feed its people. Thus keeping Russia safe and independent is the prime goal of Chinese foreign policy as it is the key to sustaining Chinese superpower status. The threat to the Globalist order is therefore not China, it’s China+Russia.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  58. A surprise attack on Iran could be immanent. The Germans are telling their citizens to get out.

  59. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Projecting to 2050 is unrealistic as lots of things can happen till then and will happen. This assumes that the US and China will remain stable countries much as they are now. The US is changing fast and won’t resemble its former self. TPTB have engaged in the most divisive politics ever seen perhaps since the Civil War which has engendered talk about another one, secession, etc. Riots, racial and otherwise, have swept the country. Huge numbers of younger people are just gig workers, totally underemployed. Cities have increasing homelessness, tent encampments, drug addicts and crime. Then there is demographics where there’s been a huge influx of millions of illiterate third worlders, all illegal but allowed in by your very own government. The core group, the white population, will perhaps be only half the population by then. Got that? The US will be a half non-white country with no internal cohesion and a population divided against itself, all deliberately brought about by TPTB. A country that has rotted internally will fall into chaos and strife. Any little nudge could bring it about. Worrying about who will have the biggest GDP is silly, playing into some American obsession with being #1. Countries like Norway have a good standard of living. Do they worry about that?

  60. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    We won’t accept China as the next hegemon … we’ll bomb it back to the Ming Dynasty. You have been warned!

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  61. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    Agreed, Sub-Saharan Africa’s population growth means more people with low IQ.

  62. Mike you are no Henry Kissinger. In fact you are a Wiki cut and paste guy who peddles nonsense. The sensible thing for the US to do is to make friends with Russia …even build a bridge or tunnel at the Bering Sea and use Russia as a counterweight to help us against China some day. Ditto that for India and Iran and Venezuela too with all of their oil. Instead we, and increasingly the Biden administration are doing exactly the opposite to which is necessary for our interests….but like the Ukraine it is all a Jew Zionist Israel story.

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
    , @Anonymous
  63. You make an interesting assumption.

    Graph goes past 2035 for US.

  64. @littlereddot

    Agree completely. America’s political class has failed miserably to see that the Empire’s single greatest strategic challenger is not a foreign country but its very own people who are fed up and have lost all sense of trust. Taxed to death, enslaved by debt and now suffering the early stages of broad based
    social decline that will likely last for a generation or longer. Worse still, this same realization is fast emerging across the so-called Western world where increasingly people are feeling increasingly aligned with leaders like Putin who are calling BS with alacrity.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  65. The World constantly changes. Projecting into the future “assuming” the USD will still be the one and only Reserve Currency makes any chart false and incorrect. People on UNZ should be well aware the Multi-Polar World is beginning to trade in their local currencies and omitting the USD in trade settlements. It’s still a work in progress but when this new system is up and running, I don’t see how the US can maintain it’s global hegemony. When the USA can’t export it’s inflation to other countries (via USD Reserve currency), reality will finally hit Americans again after a 50+ year absence.

  66. Yes there is room for doubt about what you think is happening Mr. Hudson. World war III is being planned and the plan is for the US to lose. China will be a major super power in the New World Order and those pesky freedom loving Americans will be crushed. Our elite are all in on the deal and our Neo Cons can’t resist a chance for more war. Our government leaders are bought and paid for by the globalists so when it happens it won’t surprise me. China has been meant to take the lead for decades now. Everything that looks contrary to that is just smoke and mirrors to fool the masses.

    • Replies: @The_Masterwang
  67. @Political Science 101

    The sensible thing for the US to do is to make friends with Russia …even build a bridge or tunnel at the Bering Sea and use Russia as a counterweight to help us against China some day

    The sensible thing to do it to make friends with “every country” in the World. The World doesn’t have to be a football game.

  68. Ron Unz says:

    For those so interested, just over a decade ago I published a long article discussing some of the same sorts of issues:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    I included a striking graph showing the relative change in the total PPP GDP of the two countries over the previous thirty years that got quite a lot of attention. Those GDP trends have largely continued during the ten years since then:

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  69. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Political Science 101

    There’s an old American saying:

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.

    Why do you think the Russians will ever trust the USA again what with the Gorbachev/Yeltsin stitch up, the NATO encirclement and reneging on deals, the proxy war using Ukraine etc etc ?

    • Replies: @Political Science 101
  70. Sean says:
    @Brás Cubas

    California’s economy is poised to overtake Germany’s as the fourth largest in the world after the US, China and Japan, per Bloomberg.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  71. ZChina and the ZUS are both under zionist communist control and via the plan ZChina is being brought up and the ZUS is being brought down, all this is according to the zionist one world communist bolshevik plan.

    David Rockefeller sent his batman Kissinger over to China in the 1970’s and opened ZChina to the ZUS coporations to develop ZChinas military and industrial might and at the same time weaken America by sending the ZUS industries to ZChina, and the zionists have done it, we have been stabbed in the back by the zionists.

    ZChina was made in the ZUS.

  72. @Caliban

    Not going to happen for a lot of reasons. China is collapsing as I write. China has the fastest ageing demography in history..

    What a delusional joke. You are shooting off from the side of your mouth.

    By 2050, Chinese population will be half what it is now. They are literally disappearing as a people.

    True, China population will be at 800 million by 2050. That’s still 400 million more than the US. That means even at current economic trajectory with zero growth, China’s GDP per capita will still be about $25k in 2050. The US in 2050 will have a demography that will be much different that it is now. With 400 million people, but less competitive , less skilled and more social division.

    The ageing of the Chinese population also makes the Chinese economy export dependant, at a time when globalisation is trending down.

    Really? China export GDP% is about 18% and about 3-4% are to the US. What about Germany impending collapse when it has a shrinking population, immigrants from Africa and the middle East are filling the gap and its export GDP% is at 48%? How about Ireland at 120%, Netherlands 84%, Belgium 84%, Denmark 59% Sweden 46% Greece 33% Canada 30% France 30%. Most countries are export dependent because they are too small to be self sufficient. Only the US and China have the size, technology and resources to self sustain.

    China has a debt to GDP ratio that puts western economies in the shade

    Really? Japan with a shrinking population has a debt to GDP at 262%. The US is at 128% . UK 95%. Spain 118%, Portugal 127%, Greece 199% Italy 151% Canada 112%. France 112%
    China is at the middle of the pack at 72%.

    And not all debt to GDP ratios are equal. Most Western debts are to finance unfunded liabilities like retirements and prior obligations. China’s debt are mostly infrastructure. Singapore, a high income state with 160% debt to GDP is similar. No worries for Singapore as infrastructure debts are investments into the future while debt to fulfill obligations are debt to pay for the past.

    You are drinking the Peter Zeihan kool aid. I suspect Peter is a China operative, hired to fool idiots like you into self satisfying delusions of grandeur.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag, showmethereal
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  73. Pancho says:

    Very interesting chart … provided there is a world by 2050!

  74. Perhaps a chart that illustrates the Anti-Christ Political Zionist Shithole Index as compared to the Russian-Chinese-Iranian-India Razzle Dazzle Drop Dead Values Indicator.

  75. How is the US in relative decline? Your own chart shows an increase for both countries.

    That’s a slower relative increase. So what?

    China has 1.4 billion people and spent 30 years dicking around with Marxism.

    It has been known that their GDP will most likely surpass ours. So what? They have nearly 3x the population.

    As for your chart you didn’t provide a proper source and no one can predict that far into the future. When an economy modernizes it becomes less appealing for manufacturing. So US/Euro manufacturers might move their operations if the GDP per capita gets too high along with labor costs. Maybe China will do a better job of handling the resulting malaise. Maybe they won’t. We really don’t know.

    Taiwan was backed by the US before China realized that they were suckered by a single German-Jew named Karl Marx. Taiwan didn’t have a “People’s revolution” where millions were killed for utopia. They had an above average per capita GDP in the 1960s which was still during the time of Mao. So Mao was preaching the wonders of Marxist collectivism while Taiwan had the better standard of living. DERP

    It’s quite a shame that China went down the path of Marx even though it was clear by the end of WW2 that Karl didn’t know what he was talking about. But the Chinese are stubborn and gave it a try anyways. Yes of course they have a strong growth curve now. It’s like tearing down all your work on a house and then rebuilding. Bragging about how fast a wall goes up requires some context.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  76. @Reverend Goody

    Just as point of clarification – the bearded nuts did not ‘win’. As a matter of basic reality, any nation with nukes that departs from a conflict chose to walk away – they did not lose.

    The US/NATO left Afghanistan because they already knew a Ukraine conflict was upcoming (we didn’t but, they did) and yet another war while the ME wars continued would have been a bridge too far for American and Euro citizens.

    So, we bailed and pretend like it’s not NATO vs Russia at war. Clown world….

  77. @eudion2

    China is an industrial superpower with one crippling weakness: industry needs resources.

    That is a myth my friend. It was true during the rapid economic growth the last two decades but not so much the next three decades. With a cooling down of its economy and a shrinking population and huge leap in AI and automation, China will be even more self sustaining than it is now.

    Right now, China is:

    Ranked 14th in oil reserves. US 11th.
    1st in wheat production, the US 4th
    1st in rice production by a large margin. US 11th
    2nd in corn production. US 1st. Both a quite close in volume.
    1st in steel production. About 60% of the world’s production.
    4th coal reserves. US 1st.
    6th in natural gas reserves. US 4th.
    1st in rare earth reserves. 60% of world’s supply
    1st in aluminum reserves. US 6th
    4th in iron ore reserves. US 8th.
    Both US and China are not in the top ten of copper reserves. Chille, Russia and Peru , all Chinese allies have 80% of the world’s reserves.
    9th in uranium reserves. US 16th.
    4th in lithium reserves. US 5th.
    6th in gold reserves. US 1st.
    1st in agricultural production. US 2nd.
    1st in pork production. A large margin over US at 2nd.
    3rd in poultry production, US 1st
    4th in beef production. US 1st
    1st in fishery. US 5th
    1st in fruit production. US 6th.
    4th in soybean production. US 2nd. Brazil 1st.

    I can go on and on.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  78. Jim H says:
    @Caliban

    ‘China has a debt to GDP ratio that puts western economies in the shade.’ — Caliban

    According to Thomson Reuters, China’s total debt (gov + corp + household) to GDP ratio is about the same as the US and the EU:

    http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/CHINA-DEBT-HOUSEHOLD/010030H712Q/index.html

    If you are speaking about govt debt to GDP, that’s covered in post no. 74 by Brian Damage … and it’s lower than the US.

    What is your source for your rather hyperbolic claim?

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  79. Pablo says:
    @Rubicon

    The US Government does the same thing with Unemployment numbers. For example, if a person is still umemployed after 6 months, the Government no longer counts them as being unemployed. And the Government never considers the under employment rate. They know what they are doing. The Government knowingly removes ANY information that would be a negative measure.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @meamjojo
  80. @Anonymous

    we’ll bomb it back to the Ming Dynasty

    No good idea. China then be ruled by Ming the Merciless, and he no good.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  81. Legba says:
    @dodge city pete

    I’ll bet you lost your job for lots of things

    • LOL: John Johnson
  82. @eudion2

    If the neocons are in any way towards achieving such a resource state of siege against China, the latter won’t grovel. They will move westwards boots on the ground to take all oil and other resources for themselves alone and oust all Westerners, though they may hire Iran and other Muslim regional powers as allies to entrust them with the task of finishing off Europe and manage what will remain of it. Israel has nothing to fear as long as they see only Arabs beyond their wall of protection. One day they will see Chinese and that will be it.

  83. @RoatanBill

    On governments and wars, I think it is relevant to repeat what the brilliant general, the Prince of Savoy, told Montesquieu about the origin of wars being the royal standing armies. Armies cost a lot of money to build and maintain and therefore kings used to try their hand at making a return on the investment in armies and armament by launching wars.

    Since the world has moved from a feudal system to a Neo-feudal system that we call “democracy”, nothing much has changed except that the old mafia of kings and aristocrats had been replaced by a hidden mafia behind representatives appointed by the PTB under the cloak of “free elections”which actually in nothing more than “imposed selection.“

    As far as China goes, the Chinese have proven throughout history to be a pragmatic people who are more interested in trade and profit than in ideology and warfare. And while there are many interpretations about the current policy of COVID lockdowns, one being that they are trying to reduce exports to Western markets in order to aggravate the inflation crisis in the West, we can still take comfort in the fact that communist rule in Chinese civilization is like a pimple on a camel’s back, for China has been Confucian far longer than communist. But then to be fair to the CCP, their overall achievement over the past forty years in terms of economic growth and higher personal wealth dwarfs any other system on the planet.

    The road to freedom from oppressive governments will have, very unfortunately, to go through a worldwide conflagration since most people are still inclined to trust governments. There may be light at the end of the tunnel when the world’s population gets awakened, after the catastrophe, to the danger of getting addicted to government aid at the cost of losing personal freedom.

    We sure are living in interesting times, and until we reach a point where the road to progress becomes smaller and more transparent governance, expect things to go from bad to worse.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  84. @Anonymous

    China is outgrowing the US, of course, but China is also showing the world how you grow without fucking your population over.

    China needs to balance economy and nationalism.

    Until Xi, the legitimacy of the CCP was based mainly on economic growth, much like the Japanese model after WWII, i.e. the Liberal Democratic Party should keep ruling cuz of growth.

    But basing people’s support on economy alone is dangerous and deracinating(as people will the idea that making a buck, even at the expense of the nation, is the highest value).

    There will always be down times in the economy. Also, down times can result from the manipulation of the economy by the rival or enemy. The US has the financial and military means to sanction and destroy many economies. Under such circumstances, a system whose legitimacy is solely based on economic well-being is easily threatened.
    This is why nationalism is important. Nationalism unites a people in the belief that, sunshine or rain, they must unite and struggle together as a people. The reason why Iran weathered so many economic storms is due to a sense of nationalism and Islam. Many Iranians suffered from sanctions but also felt good to support the nationalist-Islamic government against the Satanic West.

    And Xi is trying to create that kind of national political culture. Even if US seeks to undermine China’s economy and many Chinese suffer as a result, they must unite as fellow Chinese against the neo-imperialism of the US.

    The problem with so-called ‘democracies’ is that the US can easily manipulate them by messing with their economies, fomenting social unrest, and then backing a candidate more amenable to US interests. So-called ‘democracies’ tend the degrade the value of nationalism, ethnic unity, and sense of heritage. Thus, people care mostly about hedonism, materialism, and ‘muh stuff’. So any economic downturn makes them oppose the existing government. This is why the US promotes ‘democracy’ all over the world. It leads to deracination and materialist individualism, and that means people vote solely on ‘muh stuff’. Then, it’s easy to pull a color revolution by undermining its economy IF its leaders won’t fully comply with US demands.

    Take Hungary. US and EU have been doing everything to mess with the Hungarian economy. But Orban has survived so far because he emphasized nationalism, balancing it with economism. In other words, good times or bad times, Hungarians must unite to preserve at the very minimum their ethnos, history, and culture. Hungarians do seem to have this sense of national worth apart from material value.

    But there has to be a balancing. Economic well-being and sound management are essential to any nation. Nationalism can be abused by corrupt leaders who do little but cheat and steal and then invoke ‘muh nationalism’ to justify their grip on power. That kind of ‘muh nationalism’ eventually erodes the meaning of nationalism as the people come to see that the corrupt scum at the top invoke patriotism to preserve their privilege, the only thing they care about.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag, Polistra
  85. @Anonymous

    Silly guy, many countries have fought long hard wars and are now friends or at least not enemies…Germany and Japan are just two of thousands.

  86. Joe Wong says:
    @Rubicon

    China can never become the biggest economy in the world because Americans can mark their virtual service-based GDP up to be bigger than China’s real GDP.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Brian Damage
  87. Anonymous[733] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh, so Mike thinks we are demonizing China? Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of Tibetans and Uyghurs? You Rather have the commie Chinese as our overlords? Pathetic appeaser

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @Brian Damage
  88. @The Real World

    Just as point of clarification – the bearded nuts did not ‘win’. As a matter of basic reality, any nation with nukes that departs from a conflict chose to walk away – they did not lose.

    It was a military win and diplomatic loss.

    The Taliban was militarily defeated early in the war and over 90% of their territory was taken within a year. Their attacks in the last few years were mostly suicide bombers and not against US troops.

    The problem is that the Afghan security forces wouldn’t fight without US air support. In the fall of Kabul they didn’t even disable their vehicles and guns before fleeing. So they didn’t fight and just handed their weapons over.

    Biden decided that the best answer to the Afghan problem was to pack up entirely and abandon our allies in the most embarrassing exit possible.

    Democrats don’t have the guts to for a conflict like Afghanistan. They have innate pity for third worlders as they suffer from White guilt. Some part of them wants the US to lose any entanglement with the third world.

    I wasn’t for staying indefinitely to “build democracy” but what Biden did was just awful.

  89. Bro43rd says:
    @Berkleyboy

    The ussr busted early 90s, now asserting itself militarily 30 years later. The doomsday forecasts are a bit cliché. Let’s shoot for less than a generation. Imo, money is the primary mechanism of societal control, something has to be done about fiat currency. Government control over money is the chains that bind us. End government currency control and let the producers & consumers figure out what they’ll trade with. Free Money!

  90. @Pablo

    The US Government does the same thing with Unemployment numbers. For example, if a person is still umemployed after 6 months, the Government no longer counts them as being unemployed.

    If you are part time employed and can’t pay the bills you are also no longer unemployed.

    They also exclude certain types of farm work.

    So yes the number is bogus but if the Republicans were to use a realistic number then the press would bash them for a massive increase in unemployment and not remind the public about the change.

    Not that I trust any numbers from China. They openly fix their currency and only Trump had the guts to bring it up. Our cowardly conservatives shrug as China manipulates their currency and then tell us that market set usury rates are required for economic growth.

  91. Anonymous[733] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reverend Goody

    Our tranny woke military can win with panache and style.

  92. @Joe Levantine

    As far as China goes, the Chinese have proven throughout history to be a pragmatic people who are more interested in trade and profit than in ideology and warfare.

    Chasing a Marxist crackpipe dream and killing millions of people in the process is pragmatism?

    If you think they have been a peaceful people for the last two thousand years then you need to read some history. They haven’t gone on wars of expansion because they spent so much time fighting themselves.

    The number of internal dynasty wars is mind boggling.

    We don’t know even know the details of all the battles and there are certainly some that weren’t recorded. There are massive battles involving tens of thousands of troops that are just briefly mentioned in a poem or message.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  93. Bro43rd says:
    @Brian Damage

    Of course considering population size China should lead the world in the production. X4 vs usa, so most of what gets produced in Asia gets consumed in Asia.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  94. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Reversing the decline is merely a matter of making certain decisions.
    If America had anyone in it who could make these decisions, the decline would not have started in the first place. Personnel is policy. America is full of declining personnel, and thus it has decline policy.

  95. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Brian Damage

    With a cooling down of its economy and a shrinking population and huge leap in AI and automation, China will be even more self sustaining than it is now.

    Shamanism.
    “China is courting the good anima.” You can tell these anima are good because they are high-status and journalists get excited about them.

  96. Miro23 says:
    @Joe Wong

    China can never become the biggest economy in the world because Americans can mark their virtual service-based GDP up to be bigger than China’s real GDP.

    US GDP involves a lot of paper shuffling. Just add more lawyers, salesmen, bankers and insurers. US education is also entering the fast growing (largely useless) paper shuffling category.

    The US also fakes “real” GDP by building vastly overpriced weapons systems. China doesn’t do that, but they do specialize in building strange ghost cities.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  97. meamjojo says:

    Whitney: How many times do you have to be told that China’s economic numbers are all imaginary? You can’t compare fake with real!

    Stop being thick as a brick.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  98. @Sean

    I see. But I get confused when I compare the pro-Russia pundits’ discourse in the past and now. Before, the reasoning was that the U.S. was stupid because, by antagonizing Russia, it was throwing her into the arms of China. Now, they seem to acknowledge that the U.S. is acting rationally in defense of its own interests (though not the European ones), because “the road to Beijing goes through Moscow”.

    • Replies: @Sean
  99. Daniel H says:
    @animalogic

    The upshot? China’s economy has been larger than the US’s for some time now (using PPP valuations China’s economy has been officially larger than the US for years now).
    It is only a matter of time & luck that China will soon catch up to the US on the technology issues mentioned by Mike.

    By 2030 China’s economy will be twice the size of the US economy. It’s game over at that point. From 2030 beyond China will be the world’s dominant power. She will completely dominate Africa, secure all the resources she needs with her alliances with Russia and Africa and will be a major player in Latin America. What will be the US response to this be? Likely war.

    Oh yeah, we will have our little jerks, NATO. Whoopee.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  100. meamjojo says:
    @Pablo

    “The US Government does the same thing with Unemployment numbers. For example, if a person is still umemployed after 6 months, the Government no longer counts them as being unemployed…”

    ALL governments manipulate their economic numbers! Some, such as China, just make up crap stuff and pull numbers out of thin air. The 1st world Western countries tend to be more subtle where they change the underlying definitions to get better numbers, which helps the party in power stay in power.

    That being said, your statement about not being counted as unemployed is bogus. Here’s what constitutes unemployment straight from the BLS:

    Who is counted as unemployed?

    People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work.
    https://www.bls.gov/cps/faq.htm

    • Replies: @Pablo
  101. Daniel H says:
    @Anonymous

    Oh, so Mike thinks we are demonizing China? Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of Tibetans and Uyghurs? You Rather have the commie Chinese as our overlords? Pathetic appeaser

    Most of the reports are fake news.

    China is simply dealing with Tibet and the Uighurs the way we dealt with the trans-Mississippi west in the later 19th century: settling and developing it. You really don’t believe that the Chinese have any other option here, do you?

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  102. Daniel H says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    This chart is utter nonsense. China is already in demographic decline and is flailing badly trying to deal with COVID.

    With a current population of 1.3 billion people a little bit of demographic declines is more than welcome.

  103. BlackFlag says:
    @Brian Damage

    By 2050 Chinese pop will be more like 1.1mm.
    How can Ireland’s export GDP% be 120%?
    Zeihan worth reading?

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  104. @Bro43rd

    Of course considering population size China should lead the world in the production. X4 vs usa, so most of what gets produced in Asia gets consumed in Asia.

    Can you read “reserves”? Reserves are what’s in the ground. Productions are for livestock and agricultural goods which need to be cultivated.

  105. @Joe Wong

    China can never become the biggest economy in the world because Americans can mark their virtual service-based GDP up to be bigger than China’s real GDP.

    Only if the US dollar remains the world’s currency. Petrodollar is what holding the USD. By printing lots of them, it can export the inflationary effect to the rest of the world resulting in many countries remaining poor, unable to afford the expensive stuff.

  106. @Jim H

    What is your source for your rather hyperbolic claim?

    I bet it is Peter Zeihan.

  107. MarkU says:
    @RoatanBill

    If you had read my post more carefully you would have noticed that what I actually said was

    If we lived in a democracy we could vote them out.

    Which clearly implies that I don’t believe we live in a democracy and therefore we can’t vote them out. I don’t mind people arguing with what I say but it is a bit annoying being subjected to strawman attacks. You even had to chop off the first six words of a ten word sentence to do that much.

    Regardless of all that, I have read enough of your posts to know that you are deeply sceptical about the democratic process (for reasons which are perfectly understandable) Certainly I would agree that in a rentier society where the owning classes control the media, the education system and most of our elected representatives, then democracy can never be anything but a sham. What we have is actually worse then feudalism, in feudal societies the ruling classes had obligations as well as privileges. So what can be done? A complex society requires some sort of governance/co-ordination if it is to function at all. Most people would probably agree that rule by consent is preferable to dictatorship so how else can we go about it? Rugged individualism might work in a backwoods sort of situation but how could it work in a complex technological society?

    My own take on it is that a society needs to be meritocratic and that meritocracy requires equality of opportunity, which in turn requires a passably egalitarian society. What we need is a cap on inherited wealth. I have no objections to a person becoming wealthy and powerful if it is by dint of their own hard work or talent. The problem as I see it is massive amounts of wealth and power being passed down the generations thus creating a sort of financial royalty. The founders of dynasties are pretty much guaranteed to be very capable people but a few generations down the line we usually get mediocre individuals with vast amounts of unearned wealth and power (and all the arrogance that goes with that) We end up being ruled by hereditary bankers and industrialists with plans for the world and that is where it all starts going very badly wrong.

    Any thoughts?

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  108. SME Shanghai Metals Exchange, Beijing real estate market, stock markets, casinos, off shore bank accounts, sending the kiddies to U.S. colleges, billionaires and millionaires, global trading systems etc etc…

    communists..?. who are you trying to fool?

    With the rise in the Chinese economy over the past 40 years… some people think Sam Walton, WalMart and the American corporate/financial race to the bottom of the wage scale had nothing to do with what has happened to illustrative GDPs and growth projections.

    America is limping around now from an old wound of shooting itself in the foot with a NORINCO carbine and ignoring the times when 80% of non produce items at WalMart were made in China.

    Now the U.S. breaks out the Taiwan aroma therapy air spray?

  109. @Ron Unz

    Lol. Ron, did you read the article? Mike just gave us a graph that explains EVERYTHING.

  110. KenR says:

    That graph does explain a lot. I have a picture in mind that explains a lot, too. I would link it here, but I don’t know how. But no matter, you have seen the one that I’m thinking of.

    I’m thinking of that picture from the Drag Queen Story Hour a few years ago in Seattle — the one with the sodomite holding court gaily amidst children, with Satanic horns sticking out of his head, his face encrusted with a ghoulish display of make-up. You know the pic. You can see where I’m going.

    I’m very sorry, Americans, but any nation that promotes such stuff cannot be defended. It simply cannot. Rather, it *must* be strenuously opposed. “Well, but most Americans do not support this ….”
    Shut your mouth. Most Americans might oppose this, but they cannot stop it even in their own lands. Instead, they must clap.

    The anti-sodomite stance of the Russians is listed near the very top of the litanies currently showering around against Vladimir Putin. Americans, you are not only allowing this corruption in your own midst, you are not only actively promoting it globally through the daunting avenues serving American global power, you are actually *at war* for sodomy, corruption and disfigurment of youth and pedophilia.

    The American empire cannot end soon enough, for the health and well-being of the world, sorry. The American empire cannot end soon enough, for the health and well-being of AMERICANS themselves.

    Forget all this talk about economic systems, equities and freedoms, marches of progress, whatever take you might have justifying this grand saga of Uncle Sam. What you have is an aggressive, arrogant world power ruled by usurers, sodomites, rent-seekers and war-mongers. They oppress even you, and you are not going to defeat them. How are you going to do that? You cannot even name them. You cannot even stop them sending sodomites fully costumed as demons among your children. They attach to nations, divide the people, raid their assets, adulterate and neuter host cultures, intrude upon and seize the channels of societal and intellectual discourses, and accumulate vast piles of unearned wealth from the labors of others. That is your country right now. That is your model for the world.

    It must end.

  111. theo dore says:
    @The Real World

    I heard an alternative to the official narrative. The US wanted to withdraw to prepare for Ukraine however the condition to hand back power to the Taliban was that the Taliban stay away from the Afghans in the northern part and they also stay away from the ISIS factions who are stationed by the US as their proxy wing, ready for their next adventure.
    The Taliban complied so the US left to start their next project in Ukraine.

    • Thanks: The Real World
  112. pyrrhus says:
    @Rubicon

    GDP is almost meaningless because the US includes all expenditures, including government salaries and pensions, which obviously produce nothing…PPP is the only legitimate measure…

  113. @MarkU

    All government systems are primarily the same, regardless of the applied label. Democracy, dictatorship, communism, marxism, etc are all the same under the hood. The only thing that changes is the theater to be applied to provide the distinguishing characteristics everyone talks about. They all steal, have currency instead of money, have militaries to harass their neighbors, cops to harass the citizenry and a political class that produces nothing but redistributes what wealth there is, lots of it to themselves.

    There’s no such thing as democracy. There’s no such thing as a republic. Ditto communism, etc. They are all systems run by a mafia that farms their tax cattle. Periodically these mafias have a problem with their neighbor and a war starts that the dolts get excited about one way or the other, pro or con.

    Every war was started by some gov’t, not their people. Every trade war, currency war, sanctions, etc are always applied by gov’ts, not the people. The people, regardless of gov’t type are never asked. All gov’t is top down control and they do whatever it is they like and there’s nothing to stop them because they don’t give a shit about public opinion.

    It is the belief that gov’t is a necessary institution that causes all the trouble. Gov’t IS the source of all the world’s problems. The people can live much better lives without them, but they’ve been indoctrinated to believe gov’t is necessary, just like they believe in a sky god.

    • Thanks: Simon ton cananaion
  114. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Concerned Citizen of the World

    I don’t see a thing written on their strategy – unless they have none

    If you really think the Chinese have NO strategy, then you’re the in the market for beach front property . . . in Nebraska! LOL to that.

    If anyone has a long term strategy, it’s China. The United States and its “allies” and it’s many co-opted elites and people in positions of influence worldwide have strategies which seem to work in the short-term (talking a decade, MAXIMUM) but are all but hopeless in the longer term (after 2032 and the century after).

    BRI? Still on track, still having trillions poured in as Chinese private companies (nope, not the Chinese state only) invest in Eurasia, MENA, LatAm and Africa. This is a long-term play, and the vast majority of projects are both healthy and profitable. The minority of failures are the focus of the anti-China subset of the alt-media and the MSM. Look at the real stats, the actual data – they don’t lie.

    The collective West essentially has no real answer to the economic acceleration of the former colonies. We either work with them while sniping at BRICS, or we get out of the way.

    The critical tech: Only the United States is keen to cut off China, not Europe nor Japan/S. Korea/Taiwan. Much more importantly, China has also become a huge tech innovator in its own right, enough to be an investor in production facilities even in Europe and North America. Investment capital flows into China are indeed less, for the simple reason that all capital flows have slowed world-wide.

    So yes, China’s growth is slower now. But dig a little deeper, and something interesting emerges. When a country makes the transition from middle-tech activities to truly cutting-edge enterprises, its growth slows for more than a decade, as companies outsource lucrative businesses and massively re-invest in higher end technology, expensive education for the work force, and shifts to high-knowledge business. It happened to Japan in the early 1970s, happened to Singapore and Taiwan, and S. Korea is still shifting now, and so is growing more slowly. China has undertaken to become a high-income economy, so growth will slow as it shifts gears. What emerges out the other end is a much more advanced China. Might be in the 2030s, but inevitable.

    The underlying reason that the former colonies (so-called Global “South”, though some of its members are more East and North) can’t be stopped is that the collective West is betting against core human nature and aspiration: to be free of the oppressive boot, to work for the good life for their families, to advance with no interference from anyone, least of all from the hated colonizers.

    The post-WW2 tactic of buying off traitor elites and viceroys, so successful for decades, will not work anymore. The populations are now aware, smart, and are turning against their own leaders if those leaders don’t put their people first.

    Why not fund coups, civil wars and regime-change? Sure, the West can still do that, but good luck finding enough volunteers and mercenaries to fight the forever wars which result. The people in those countries just won’t take any more crap, that era is O V E R. And you just know that these insurgencies will be covertly supported by the BRICS.

    China’s core strategy is straight-forward. Flow WITH human nature and aspiration, support economic development, don’t stick your nose in for short term advantage but in the long term anger the host population, drive human civilization forward. Look to the future.

    How can the current {[Western elites]} counter that? Answer: They CAN’T. Period. The ultimate victims will include the peoples of Europe and North America. You and me. Tragic, and infuriating.

  115. That chart does not explain that the one main reason CHINA is growing so fast, and AMERICA is spinning it’s wheels, is because the GANGS in D.C., starting at least with CLINTON and on through OBAMA administrations, have given the green light to CORPORATE AMERICA to rip the factories and jobs out from under the AMERICAN worker and go to CHINA for cheap, cheap labor. all with the intent of massive profits and the destruction of the hated AMERICA.
    Now the military Industrial Complex wants to cash in by blaming CHINA and get a war going.
    Note that I’ve said nothing about the Western OLIGARCH’S and NEOCON’S plan afoot to wipe out China and RUSSIA as impediments to the OLIGARCH’S UNIPOLAR GLOBAL CONTROL….thus the simultaneous RUSSIA bashing.
    If that chart shows anything, it shows how easy it is to bamboozle the people with one sided twisted facts.

  116. @BlackFlag

    By 2050 Chinese pop will be more like 1.1mm.

    I was replying to that fella who said China’s population will be cut by half in 2050 and may disappear. I am not sure if it is 800 million or 1.2 billion. There are some sites out there saying it will be 1.3 billion in 2050, even 1.4 billion. South China Morning Post mentioned that the current population of 1.4 billion could cut by half.

    How can Ireland’s export GDP% be 120%?

    Here’s the GDP formula. GDP = private consumption + gross private investment + government investment + government spending + (exports – imports)

    If the export GDP is at 120%, it means some components in the equation are negative. It is the huge trade surplus plus limited government investments. Ireland is one of those countries that have weird economics and is going through some great time at the moment. Good moments don’t last long. A drop in exports will devastate its economy as it is highly reliant on exports.

    Zeihan is a anti-Sino hack with data from the 1990s.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  117. @Thomas Faber

    Thomas, thanks for sharing this.

    As you imply, most of the Western narratives about China tend to be rather extreme. Unsurprisingly, the reality in China – just as it is everywhere else – is not black and white. Instead, it is full of grey tones. For example, on the one hand, the current government is obsessed with censorship to a degree which is arguably absurd. In this, in some respects it is more extreme than most Western countries – yet not in all. Unlike, say, the Czech Republic, it does not threaten its citizens with 3 years in prison for expressing an opinion about geopolitical events. Nor does it like Austria threaten them with a €50,000 fine. And while its leadership is still mysteriously obsessed with a mild virus, it also remains the only country in the industrialized world where vaccine mandates are explicitly illegal. We took a look at some of some of these issues here:

    https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/global-race-to-the-bottom

    And here: https://austrianchina.substack.com/p/zero-covid-reality-in-oct22

    That said, the fact that views on China in the West are so polarized is hardly surprising, given the fact that it has been the target of a massive disinformation campaign for almost 15 years now. Fabricated narratives such as the social credit system have been plugged for so long that most people in the West find it hard to imagine that this could possibly be all made up. And yet – it is. (We did a deep dive on this last December.) It is equally understandable that those outside China who discover the breadth of this fraud find it difficult to come up with a balanced alternative view. We have tried to help fill this gap.

    • Thanks: Thomas Faber
  118. @Anonymous

    Oh, so Mike thinks we are demonizing China? Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of Tibetans and Uyghurs? You Rather have the commie Chinese as our overlords? Pathetic appeaser

    What ethnic cleansing? There are more Tibetans that before. China focused on the economic development in the east coast and big cities to build up its economic engine in the 90s and 2000s. By 2010s, Tibet development gained traction and now Tibet is doing very well. Back in the days of one child policy Tibetans and Uyghurs are exempted from it. The Xinjiang province, in the 2020s is being targeted for development, Huge growth in Xinjiang.

    Both Tibetans and Uyghurs are more prosperous than before. Their population growth is high while the majority Han population is in decline. More Tibetan monastery are being built and in Xinjiang there are more than 24,000 mosques with more being built. Tibetans and Uyghurs schools teach in their own language and Mandarin. How about the US?

    There are 12 million Uyghurs in China with 24,000 mosques. A ratio of 500 to 1. There are 3.45 million muslims in US with 1210 mosques. A ratio of 2850 to 1.

  119. @Thomas Faber

    You can safely ignore any author who, regarding zero-Covid, writes, “How much more financial pain are the governments in Beijing, the provincial and major city governments prepared to accept before they start making corrections to their policies?”

    After three years of Covid, 90% of Americans and Chinese have not been locked down, and

    US GDP has grown 3.4%, with 1,000,000 Covid deaths and 3,000,000 Long Covid invalids

    China’s GDP has grown 13.8%, with 7,000 deaths and 38,000 Long Covids.

    Engineer Naomi Wu speculates: “Abandoning Zero-COVID means losing more able-bodied workers per day to death and Long-COVID disability then can be replaced by new workers entering the labor pool. From an engineering standpoint, it is inherently unsustainable. The burn-through rate is easily quantifiable, so MTBF is a question of interventions – rescinding labor protections, prison labor, migrant “guest workers” etc, – to try and push back the date of system failure- but eventually, you just run out of people”. 

    • LOL: meamjojo
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  120. Miro23 says:
    @Daniel H

    By 2030 China’s economy will be twice the size of the US economy. It’s game over at that point. From 2030 beyond China will be the world’s dominant power. She will completely dominate Africa, secure all the resources she needs with her alliances with Russia and Africa and will be a major player in Latin America. What will be the US response to this be? Likely war.

    Agreed. But don’t wait for 2030 for US Jewry to react. They can see the problem right now and are going to safeguard their power by taking out Russia and China now (while they still can).

    A basic fact is that they don’t care how many non-Jewish lives are lost in safeguarding their power.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  121. Hacienda says:

    And this is a fairly middling city by China’s standards.
    China is accused of being a “prison” even by the likes of Larry Summers.

    I don’t know what he’s looking at. And Summers doesn’t speak Chinese. AFAIK. But he’s a Jew economist, so he must see things in his formulas that the average cattle can’t.

  122. SteveK9 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    That would be true if Germans lived in Sub-Saharan Africa.

  123. @John Johnson

    By going down the ‘path of Marx’ China grew faster during its takeoff decades than any country in history. Starting with an illiterate, typhus-infected population living in rubble, and working entirely under massive Western sanctions and embargoes, Mao provided basic universal health care and doubled life expectancy from 35 to 68.
    No country matches the pace of life expectancy increase under Mao, nor its increase in prosperity, according to Yale economic historian, Maurice Meisner.

    Germany’s fastest development growth was 33% per decade from 1880-1914.
    Japan’s was 43% from 1874-1929
    USSR’s was 54% between 1928-58.
    Mao’s decadal growth rate was 64% between 1952-72.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  124. @The Real World

    Just as point of clarification – the bearded nuts did not ‘win’. As a matter of basic reality, any nation with nukes that departs from a conflict chose to walk away – they did not lose.

    If the US+allies actually won, as you claim, then what dividends did they reap? Did Afghanistan pay tribute to the victors? I keep hearing about a cost in the order of $3 trillion dollars (probably more). How in holy hell can you call this a victory? America couldn’t even extract itself without leaving billions of dollars worth of armaments in the hands of the Taliban.

    I do get that certain Jews might see is a victory of sorts since they may want to see historically European-populated nations bled to death.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  125. SteveK9 says:
    @Sean

    ‘Climate Change’ is the stupidest war imaginable. Well, war against thermonuclear-armed Russia? Maybe that is more stupid. There is climate change but CO2 has nothing to do with it. Climate Change is basically an anti-human cult … the Captain Planet generation. Humans are evil, we are despoiling Gaia, we must punish ourselves.

  126. SteveK9 says:
    @Quartermaster

    ‘Hollow’? That is a weird thing to say. By far the largest industrial output on Earth. What is it? 50,000 km of high-speed rail at this point. Whether you like high-speed rail or not … hollow? You want hollow? Try the UK. Without the City of London, it would descend into poverty.

  127. Polistra says:
    @Priss Factor

    Small price to pay for plentiful objects of great beauty!

    • Replies: @annamaria
  128. Frankie P says:
    @RoatanBill

    “All government systems are primarily the same, regardless of the applied label.”

    The question is whether some governments, not necessarily from a systematic viewpoint (Demoncracy, Communism, Socialism, Monarchy), provide a better environment for their citizens to prosper and conduct business in.

    “They are all systems run by a mafia that farms their tax cattle.”

    The question is whether some of these systems farm LESS of the tax than others, allowing the people to retain the bulk of their earned wealth.

    “they don’t give a shit about public opinion.”

    The question is whether enough enraged citizens on the streets will cause them to give a shit.

    I don’t look at government systems in comparing nations. I do NOT subscribe to the current western talking points about democracy vs. authoritarianism. I agree with you, Roatan Bill, that it’s all a farce. That said, I DO examine outcomes for the common man, the common citizen. Therefore, in 2022 and for the past decades, the government of China has done a much better job at creating an environment in which their citizens could work hard, find new business opportunities, and prosper. Yes, much of it was brought about by CCP control of the banking sector and the channelling of debt to industry and infrastructure. The US has done the WORST job of any nation, with the US government overtly taking ALL actions to benefit the financial sector and corporations at the expense of the disappearing middle class. They must be overthrown.

    “The people can live much better lives without them,”

    Please point me to an example in the last 1,000 years of a nation of any significant size that was “without” government, allowing the people to live much better lives. Wouldn’t it be more practical to focus on STRICT LIMITATIONS to government rather than continuing to demand a system completely without government?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  129. @Jim H

    This over-simplifies the nature of debt in several ways. Let us count them:

    1. China’s total debt-to-GDP ratio is about the same as the US and the EU (with much lower shadow banking exposure): 273% of GDP, according to BIS.

    2. China’s economy is growing 300% faster than the US economy, and growth eats debt.

    3. China’s debt is 98% domestic.

    4. China’s asset to debt ratio is 3.8:1

    5. China’s debt is self-liquidating, backed by high quality, productive assets. The Three Gorges Dam, for example, repays its construction cost every 42 months.

    6. The Keynesian multiplier of Chinese debt is 200-300%, according to a St Louis Fed study.

    7. 95% of Chinese trust their government, which is why China can turn on a dime.

  130. Zane says:

    China may well be approaching its Minsky Moment.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  131. Zane says:

    I wouldn’t take China’s GDP numbers at face value.

    • Agree: meamjojo
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  132. @IronForge

    True-it is ‘highly likely’ that a lion will run down a fleeing human, but there is a slim chance that the meal will get away, possibly by shooting the lion, always the US preference.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  133. @Frankie P

    China is an example of a nation on the way up. What’s good for the leaders just happens to be good for the citizenry. The US was in that shape almost 100 years ago and ever since, it’s been going down hill.

    Gov’ts can appear reasonable and are reasonable for a time while opportunities are expanding but that’s not a scenario that goes on forever. Just like all great empires in the past, the US is in decline and taking decades to do it while the people are taken advantage of on the whole way down. My bet is that China won’t be any different, it will just be their turn. The time on the way up to a peak and then the decline are shortening as technology accelerates the cycles.

    To look at the good times and ignore the long term evidence that it doesn’t last is short sighted. Since at least the 1970’s the US population has paid the price for the good times their long dead relatives lived through. It’s the ups and downs that gov’t engineer. Without them, it would be millions of individuals making decisions that even out over the long haul. Gov’t policy is what pushed everything in one direction and then the blowback seeks its revenge.

    I can’t point at a recent non gov’t country because almost all people can’t imagine living as free individuals. Most want someone to tell them how to live their lives and have never considered what life would be without the theft (taxes), constant coercion (laws), regimentation (brainwashing via propaganda), etc. It’s the cheerleading for China without the realization that it won’t last that’s unrealistic. This from people in the US that are going to feel the bulk of China’s rise as their fall. It’s a zero sum game and the US is losing.

    As for STRICT LIMITATIONS to government that’s an impossibility. Gov’t is force in the final analysis and will do whatever it wants, laws or no laws. The US should be plenty of evidence that that is the case. I’ll believe in gov’t when there are roughly 8 billion of them each with a constituency of one.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Frankie P
  134. @Zane

    Why not? Because they are ‘lying commie gooks’ by any chance?

  135. @Zane

    Always wishin’, always hopin’-I bet you pleasure yourself over Gordon Chang’s ‘The Coming Collapse of China’, now TWENTY-ONE years old. I assume most of the pages are well stuck together. I suppose you mean Marvin Minsky, too, the AI specialist. He proposed that, in the future, AI would keep humans as pets, as we do cats. I rather fear that you may not be bright enough, even for an ‘intelligent’ toaster.

  136. Sterplaz says:

    One over-important fact, that I think no one else has mentioned, is that China gets a lot of its wealth by participating in American consumer markets aka dumping its cheap made style here in America and running native businesses out of existence. Remove China from that economic sugar-teat, and let’s see how economically strong they remain.

    The economic treason that the federal gov’t has committed for now over a half century is outrageous and only deserving of the hang rope.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  137. If Capitalism is the superior economic system it’s supposed to be, why does it have such a hard time competing with other economic systems?

  138. Frankie P says:
    @RoatanBill

    “Just like all great empires in the past, the US is in decline and taking decades to do it while the people are taken advantage of on the whole way down. My bet is that China won’t be any different, it will just be their turn. ”

    Agreed. I am skeptical that governments actually drive the rises and falls. I think it’s more a natural occuring cycle in empires and great powers. As to your belief that strict limitations are impossible, I am also doubtful. There can be strict limitations on government; keeping them is the challenge. Look at the US. Here’s your Republic; keep it if you can.

    We couldn’t.

  139. @John Johnson

    Biden decided that the best answer to the Afghan problem was to pack up entirely and abandon our allies in the most embarrassing exit possible.

    Our “allies” were a bunch of mercenaries in it for the money. Unsurprisingly, they crumbled to the ground as soon as the supply of shekels began to dry up. The same thing happened in Vietnam. Someone motivated by patriotism and ethnic loyalty is more likely to be brave in battle than a sellsword. Some people tell us that we have some kind of moral duty to accept these people as immigrants, but I’d rather have the Taliban for immigrants than these assholes.

    I note that you almost reflexively take the standard patriotard position on almost all issues while insisting that you are not in the pro-Zionist camp, but pro-Zionism is de rigeur for patriotards. It’s almost too contradictory to take seriously. Speaking of allies, how would you recruit any?

  140. @Godfree Roberts

    By going down the ‘path of Marx’ China grew faster during its takeoff decades

    It is not the path of Marx. It is the people of China that made those huge growth possible. The 64% growth you cited above was not Mao’s design but the Chinese people picking up the pieces in a moment of relative “stability” after 100 years of foreign invasions and internal upheaval.

    What if you apply the “path of Marx” in Africa. I doubt the decadal growth could exceed even 1%.

    The “path of Marx” provided a protective bubble from the predatory West.

    Once China is strong enough, the Chinese communist party will lose its relevance.

  141. MarkU says:
    @RoatanBill

    You certainly have a point, every government type is susceptible to corruption and whoever is in charge (however they get there) is likely to set about feathering their own nests (and those of their supporters) and entrench themselves into their positions of power. Eventually power becomes concentrated into the hands of a small minority, either of plutocrats or ideologues, and ends up being conferred onto their successors, either familial or ideological, regardless of their suitability or capabilities.

    Having said that, I find it difficult to imagine a functional society without rules or laws. Surely some laws are required, else bandits and thieves will render all productive endeavour pointless. What incentive would anyone have have to plant crops or build homes if others can just come along and take them? As I said in my earlier post, rugged individualism may be viable in a backwoods or frontier situation but I find it impossible to imagine a technological society without laws.

    As soon as we admit the necessity of laws we have a conundrum, who decides what those laws are and how will they be enforced? You and I (atheists both if I read you correctly) don’t even have recourse to religious edict to decide upon laws, we must form agreements with others to establish rules of conduct and their enforcement. As soon as we have enforcement of rules, we have authority and some form of governance.

    Much like yourself I have thought long and hard on the subject, my own view is that some form of government is inescapable and the best we can do is to have some ground rules to limit the powers of those in charge, checks and balances, separation of powers etc. Perhaps it could be enshrined in law and given a suitable name, how about calling it a Constitution? Obviously that has been tried and equally obviously it has been eviscerated and rendered worthless (it all went wrong sometime about 1913 imo) However, it was a neat idea and it seemed to work for a while. I think it is worth another try myself but next time it should include strict rules regarding usury and the issuance of currency, along with a cap on inherited wealth.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @RoatanBill
  142. @Sterplaz

    One over-important fact, that I think no one else has mentioned, is that China gets a lot of its wealth by participating in American consumer markets aka dumping its cheap made style here in America and running native businesses out of existence. Remove China from that economic sugar-teat, and let’s see how economically strong they remain.

    You are about 20 years behind. 20 years ago, you are correct.

    Today, China export GDP % is about 18-20%. One of the lowest among countries. See my previous post on this.

    Refer to this Wikipedia link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_trade-to-GDP_ratio

    In 2021, China’s exports to the US was $577 billion. China’s overall GDP in 2021 was 18 trillion. China’s export GDP % to the US is about 3-5%.

    If the US consumers stop buying Chinese stuff, it will not affect China’s economy but the Americans who were shielded from consumer inflation post 2008 financial crisis will see a VERY significant increase in prices of everything. Americans will be transported back to the 1980s when a 19″ color TV cost $550 when the 1980 US GDP per capita was around $12,500 compared to today with a GDP per capita of $69,000, a 65″ 4k TCL led TV at $450.

    All those once unaffordable tools in the 1980s that only tradesmen can afford are accessible to the weekend DIYers. Gone. Remember the bad fashion of the 1980s? Now American can dress like celebrities. Gone. An iPhone made in the US will cost $5,000.

    I am sure sure China would not give a fart after being dehumanized for decades. Americans enjoyed one of the best lifestyle ever on the backs, sweat and blood of hardworking Chinese while mocking them for their ” Cheap Chinese Junks”

    • Replies: @Sterplaz
    , @Zane
  143. Omash says:

    WOW WHITNEY. You hit the nail right on the head. I believed that since Hilary/Obama pivot to asia. China is lucky to get some extra time due to russia/ukraine conflict and chinese avoidence of US aggression head on. Now everybody can see that US aggravation is notching up fast.

    Not only military aggravation of cruisers and destroyers, nuclear subs but political visits of highest level partisan politicians is happening as well frequently. Sales of advanced weapons in billions are announced lately.

    Now high tech bans on high tech chips/semiconductors are announced along with ban on US citizens and aliens are announced to quit jobs with chinese companies or loose citizenship and greencards.

    Looks like we are getting very close to D-DAY near south china sea. You are right on. Awesome.

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  144. @Brian Damage

    China is strong enough. See All Your West Pacific Belong China Now..
    https://herecomeschina.substack.com/p/all-your-west-pacific-belong-china

    Yet the Party is more relevant than ever, as we saw last week when it set the agenda and revealed the management team through 2027 – which 96% of people approved of.

  145. @David Homer

    Your elites have been bought and paid for with WHAT? Wealth denominated in the US dollar? Legal ownership of valuable assets guaranteed and protected by United States laws? Exactly what were they promised in return for destroying the USA? Who offered them what?

  146. Karl1906 says:

    In a sense very similar to 1914 which the German Empire considered the “best” time to start a war against Russia. Because after 1916 they would overtake the German economy and have their military fully modernised.

  147. @dodge city pete

    Well, that was 20 years ago. I didn’t expect it become true so soon

    Can you imagine what it will be like 20 more years from now?

    I fully look forward to it.

  148. Pablo says:
    @meamjojo

    I’m not interested in what ither Governments do with their unemployment numbers. I live in the USA. As for the BLS “definition” of what constitutes an unemployed person, do you REALLY think the BLS is going to admit they lie? The BLS lies about unemployment because if they told the truth the next question would be hard to avoid. The question is when you ask the Government WHAT are you going to do about unemployment. The entities running the government don’t give a damn about the American people.

  149. @Concerned Citizen of the World

    China has been restricted to its domestic economy.

    Please do some research on this. You will be surprised. You will have to rework your whole thesis after that.

  150. @Quartermaster

    This is known as wishful thinking.

  151. @shadowy_figure

    Your confusion resides in the fact that you implied that I said/meant something which I did not.

    Walking away, when you are the prodigious power with the means to nuke a country to dust (even more than they already are…lol) is not losing. Nor was it winning or a victory. More of a, “This party has become boring and unfruitful so, I’m picking up my toys and moving on to a better party.”

    And, that’s what happened. We did leave alot of toys (stupid move) but, we have plenty more of those to blow up another country as we are doing now.

    • Replies: @Decoy
  152. Druid55 says:
    @Reverend Goody

    After 20 years of resistance by these beatded ones. Fool

  153. @RoatanBill

    Government is needed so there can be sovereignty. Sovereignty is needed so we can have the most basic freedoms.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  154. antibeast says:
    @John Johnson

    Taiwan was backed by the US before China realized that they were suckered by a single German-Jew named Karl Marx. Taiwan didn’t have a “People’s revolution” where millions were killed for utopia. They had an above average per capita GDP in the 1960s which was still during the time of Mao. So Mao was preaching the wonders of Marxist collectivism while Taiwan had the better standard of living. DERP

    China had no choice but to overthrow its old feudal system based on class exploitation, made worse by gangster Capitalism under the KMT. The KMT gangster Capitalists made their vast fortunes from the Opium trade which was started by British oligarchs who later conspired with Japanese imperialists to subvert and then destroy Republican China under Sun Yat-sen and later Chiang Kai-shek.

    Most Western propaganda about Mao such as Dikötter tend to be hysterical accounts consisting of historical fiction, completely made up to demonize Mao and discredit his accomplishments. Much of what went wrong during Mao’s rule can be attributed to the excesses of the Revolutionary Period which has since been corrected by Deng’s market reforms. But those market reforms have brought about socioeconomic inequality and endemic corruption which are now being tackled by Xi.

    Taiwan had its own problems as a former Japanese colony. What Chiang did was to rule Taiwan as a military dictatorship which did succeed in industrializing its economy. But Taiwan has now morphed into a bastion of Western Liberalism in Asia, complete with homo rights, gay pride parades and gay marriages.

    Mao and Chiang took two different paths to ‘modernity’ but the results were similar. If Chiang had ruled as a military dictatorship on the mainland, then he could have succeeded there instead losing the Chinese Civil War and fleeing to Taiwan. But history has made its verdict: Chiang lost because the KMT gangster Capitalists were simply too greedy and too corrupt. The only solution left was to destroy the old China in order to rebuild the new China. And that is exactly what happened under Mao. Westerners like you who can’t accept the verdict of history better learn how to deal with it. Period.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
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  155. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    The “path of Marx” provided a protective bubble from the predatory West. Once China is strong enough, the Chinese communist party will lose its relevance.

    The Chinese Communist Party became relevant only as the revolutionary movement to destroy Chinese feudalism, gangster Capitalism and Western imperialism plaguing Republican China. Once China became strong enough to fend off Western imperialism, the CCP’s job turned into making China rich enough to make Chinese Communism lose its irrelevance after Deng’s market reforms. That explains why a new ideology based on Chinese Nationalism is gaining ground in Xi’s China.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  156. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Yep.

    Such a disastrous course of action followed by China.

    – Only that it has given the fastest and biggest increase in wealth and living standards that the world has ever seen, or will likely ever see again.

  157. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    Unlike the UK, for example, which is constitutionally incapable of building any new cities, ghost or otherwise, for its burgeoning, immigrant fuelled population.

    • Agree: Miro23
  158. @Brosi

    Exactly right. This is not about the US “maintaining hegemony” because the US ceased to be a political entity long ago, having been subsumed into Greater Israel. And as we all know, Bibi was quoted as saying that when the chosenites have sucked all the blood out of the US, they will leave the dried-out carcass behind.

    (I don’t have enough comments to use the ‘Agree’ button.)

  159. JR Foley says:
    @Rubicon

    China’s forecast is 80 million Engineers within the next 10 years.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  160. JR Foley says:
    @Omash

    USA should simply pack up its 335 biological labs and 755 worldwide military bases and come home –focus on cities with non-functioning police forces and use some biological weapons to clean out some prisons housing the incorrigible.

  161. @MarkU

    society without rules or laws

    The word “anarchism” has been tortured to represent almost everything negative to where the average person has a completely skewed view of what the thinking, the philosophy behind anarchism actually wants to accomplish. Of course, there should be rules. We all know the rules instinctively as the Golden Rule. Laws are a different matter. They are a system invented by lawyers, judges and politicians to create an environment that requires their interpretation because the individual is purposely kept ignorant of how the system works. When it requires a “good” lawyer to get you “justice”, then you should know the system is rigged, and by “good”, that usually means a jew lawyer.

    else bandits and thieves will render all productive endeavour pointless.

    Exactly! The premier bandits and thieves reside in the gov’t. Who gets to take more than half your earned income on demand but a thief? The gov’t takes the visible 30-40% and also the invisible another 30-40% because they take a bite out of every stage of productive work, corporate taxes being the easiest example to understand. Corporations are tax collectors for the gov’t. Every penny they “pay” in taxes, they took from the people that purchased their product or service. They are hidden tax collectors for gov’t. Every taxable entity in the supply chain is eventually the basis for the cost to you for every product or service. Every tax they paid, you end up shouldering at time of purchase. Then add on all the gov’t fees, licensing, fines for violating some nonsense rule they invented out of nothing, etc. The gov’t is the largest thief you’re ever likely to encounter.

    What incentive would anyone have have to plant crops or build homes if others can just come along and take them?

    Look at where the US is today. More and more costs to just survive with many people failing by becoming homeless, living in their cars, tent cities popping up under roadways, etc. This is a sign of impending system failure, a system the political class, aka the gov’t, used to enrich themselves and their cronies at the average person’s expense.

    I’m an Electrical Engineer, professional software developer who gave up a decades old business to become an expat because I couldn’t stand being taken advantage of any longer. I didn’t want my taxes paying for the murder of innocent people in the Middle East and elsewhere at the hands of the US gov’t. That gov’t and their murderers in the military should be on trial for war crimes, but that doesn’t happen because they are the absolute top of the criminal conspiracy known as gov’t.

    Laws are an invention to make the average person a slave, no more. The bulk of the laws are there to fleece him of his possessions and natural rights. The laws are such to create victims to make sure the criminal element has plenty of opportunity to prey upon the innocent. Why else can only the gov’t gang members carry guns as a matter “right” when the people have to beg permission? The laws you seem to demand are what’s wrong with the society. It’s the laws that are crippling actual human rights.

    This idea of governance is ridiculous. It assumes immaculate men are in charge. The gov’t uses the word “authority” when they actually mean “force”. I grant no one authority over me, and I suggest you do the same. The very idea that some sectarian god exists above me is something I’ll never support. It’s that submission to “authority” that relinquishes each individual’s natural rights to some concoction called laws.

    Anarchist many times use the phrase “rules but no rulers” to encapsulate the idea of the mindset. We can have rules and we can have a much more peaceful and productive society without the criminal class known as gov’t. Every service we need can be supplied by the private sector. We can weed out the low end criminals that the gov’t never seems to be able to quash, and we can get rid of the sociopaths that infest gov’t.

    Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Liberty is the only object which benefits all alike, and provokes no sincere opposition. The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Lord Acton

    Giving what has already proven a failure another try isn’t a bright idea.
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
    Albert Einstein

  162. BuelahMan says:

    Why does the US always support it enemies? We supported the Soviet Union AGAINST the only country trying to stop the jews. Only to have them become our enemy during the cold war and now.

    We sent much of our manufacturing to China just to have them become our enemy leading to this cold war (and hot in Ukraine).

    The easy answer is that jews control us and brought this about. And yet, we still disparage the ONLY ones who tried to stop it and kiss as much jew ass as is possible.

    I call it Kabuki. Perhaps Jewbuki is more apt.

  163. @Godfree Roberts

    I think the author makes a very good case, Mr. Roberts. I don’t think that zero-Covid is a good strategy, especially seeing that it is not really working – the Corona is too infectious, and not debilitating enough, to be contained like that (people are not incapacitated as with say, ebola, which doesn’t spread much for that reason.)

  164. Decoy says:
    @The Real World

    You are saying that no nuclear power can ever lose a war. I don’t agree. We could not defeat the Taliban and therefore we lost. You could ask 1,000 Joe Citizens around the world a simple question: “Was the United States defeated in Afghanistan?” and the vast majority would say yes. And that is what the American people also think.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  165. antibeast says:
    @Concerned Citizen of the World

    The problem that the US Deep State has right now is that it cannot afford to sanction the entire Chinese economy due to the dependence of US tech firms such as Apple, Dell, HP, Qualcomm, etc. on either the Chinese electronics industrial ecosystem or the Chinese consumer market. The reason has to do with the complexity of the industrial supply-chains for electronics which took China three decades to build up unlike simple products like shoes, toys, furniture, clothing and other consumer goods produced by U.S. brands such as Nike, Gap, Levi’s, etc. which have been relocating their factories to lower-cost countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc. over the past decade or so. That being the case, it’s impossible for the US Deep State to sanction Chinese electronics manufacturing industries because they churn out Apple’s iPhones, for example, for sale worldwide. That’s why the U.S. Deep State has limited its attacks on the Chinese tech industry by sanctioning Chinese competitors such as Huawei.

    As for China’s export markets, the following video gives a good summary of why Asia — led by China — will be the world’s largest market in the next 2-3 decades:

    In the meantime, China does not have to retaliate against US firms as it strives harder to become technologically self-sufficient in key segments of the global semiconductor and electronics industries. Tech sanctions are two-way knives that can cut both ways; they can at best spur more Chinese efforts to find substitutes for US tech or at worse increase Chinese attempts to develop home-grown tech.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  166. annamaria says:
    @meamjojo

    Don’t project. You are a well-recognized “brick” on this forum — poorly educated, obnoxious, and with a pro-ziocon agenda. https://thesaker.is/platypus-interviews-michael-hudson-on-the-destiny-of-civilization/ comment section

    China has started to win when it understood that letting capitals grow unruled and uncontrolled could only lead to the death of any social civilization.
    That’s what happened to the West, USA, and Europe. We’ve been eaten up by a financial oligarchy that, unchecked, took control of any sector of social life- political parties, culture, schools, whatever.
    We failed. We are living in a failed society, owned and ruled by a financial oligarchy.

    Michael Hudson:

    Think of America’s policy as state neo-feudalism, because the purpose of the state is to protect the rents of finance, real-estate, oil, mining, and natural resources. The idea of the Biden Administration — really of both the Republican and Democratic Parties — is that since America has moved its industry and manufacturing to Asia in order to lower the wages here, how can Americans continue to get high-living standards, if it doesn’t produce raw materials or manufacturers? How can it be a post-industrial society, getting rich on economic rents and interest on and profits paid by foreign countries? How can America get rich by being a parasite? That was a problem that the Roman Empire had, and we know what happened to the Roman Empire. It was a problem that the British Empire had, and we know what happened to that: it can’t be done. This attempt to make America into a post-industrial society means a rent-seeking, neo-feudal society, treating the rest of the world as a colony under globalization. How can that work? Well, It’s not working. Biden’s war, the NATO war, against Russia in the Ukraine is the catalyst dividing the world into two.

  167. More bull sqeeze from the head bull sqeezer.

  168. annamaria says:
    @Polistra

    Beautiful Cloisonné. Thank you.

  169. Sterplaz says:
    @Brian Damage

    All you wrote sounds good, but underneath, maybe not so.

    That statistic about China’s GDP and exports to the USA, I would not accept it on face value, Wikipedia or no Wikipedia. No telling how/where that was concocted. There is a lot of truth in the old expression that there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics. No, of course, I cannot refute that statistic at the moment. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.

    There are the enormous container ship ports all around US coastal areas. Yes, S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Phillipines, and now Mexico are dumping their predatory priced cheap (quality) wares here. But a lot of it does come from China. If this really is a small part of China’s economy, or exports, then where are the Chinese selling the rest? If these other peoples around the world are accounting for the majority of China’s exports, why did China need the USA consumer market in the first place? How did these aforementioned peoples around the world come to be a large share of the consumers of Chinese exports? Why did China not have them as markets for their exports in the 1980s and 1990s? Many of them, I would bet, benefit from US federal gov’t money handouts. Said US fed gov’t has to deficit spend in order to do such. So China gets a lot of their wealth from the US directly by selling their cheap shyte here, or indirectly through others. China also gets a lot of their technology via stealing American tech know-how, which is something they don’t have to spend GDP on. Yes, China makes some improvements on the tech they steal, but they like other Orientals don’t really innovate much but rather imitate.

    Speaking of deficit spending, the US consumer is awash in debt to pay for a lot of their lifestyle. That bill will be coming due soon. Large parts of America have been blighted due to loss of native manufacturing. So, American standard of living has been going down mostly, not up. Chinese products are known greatly for being of cheap quality, a low quality version of the product idea invented by a westerner (American) and sold here in American markets at Chinese gov’t subsidized prices in order to predatory price American native businesses out of existence; not exactly consistent with hard work sweat of Chinese workers.

    Bad 1980s fashions? No different, better or worse, than any decade before or since. Today’s textiles are another cheap quality import. Quality of clothing has gone down, not up.

    No affordable iPhone for mass public purchase without China? Certainly, US society would not be worse were we to have not so many knuckle-dragging morons walking around with that phone glued to their head.

    Weekend DIYers use to have no quality tools? I distinctly remember many DIYers in the 1970s, all with their own tools. And usually American made. Over the 1980s & 1990s, it was replaced with cheaper priced and cheaper quality tools, many from China.

    I still say China would not be so strong without access to the US.

  170. @antibeast

    The Chinese Communist Party became relevant only as the revolutionary movement to destroy Chinese feudalism, gangster Capitalism and Western imperialism plaguing Republican China. Once China became strong enough to fend off Western imperialism, the CCP’s job turned into making China rich enough to make Chinese Communism lose its irrelevance after Deng’s market reforms. That explains why a new ideology based on Chinese Nationalism is gaining ground in Xi’s China.

    I agree with you on how the CPP got started.

    During that time China, particularly the northern part are mostly serflike peasants. 80% of Russia’s population were actual serfs dating back to the Peter the Great era. Both embraced Marxism out of desperation and necessity.The period stretching from WW1-WW2 created opportunities for peasant revolt.

    Chinese nationalism has always been there. It is one beast that the CCP is afraid of. Xi had to tap into it to gain legitimacy. But for how long? Once China’s GDP per capita reaches $30k or more, Chinese Nationalism will still be there but the need for the CCP will not.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @antibeast
  171. annamaria says:
    @antibeast

    Thank you for the reminder that orthodox Jews were genociding the Chinese well before the Jewish Boshevick began genociding the people of the Russian empire.

    The Sasson Empire of opium traders and poisoners employed in its administration Jews only. Since the UK royal family had special relationships with Jewish Bankers and the wealthy Sassoons, the UK army was used by the Sassoons to fight against the “reluctant” Chinese. Millions of Chinses were poisoned and murdered for the glory of the Sassoon Opium empire. https://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/sassoon.htm

    David Sassoon was born in Baghdad, Iran in 1792. His father, Saleh Sassoon, was a wealthy banker and the treasurer to Ahmet Pasha, the governor of Baghdad. (Thus making him the “court Jew” – a highly influential position.) In 1829 Ahmet was overthrown due to corruption and the Sassoon family fled to Bombay, India. In a brief time, the British government granted Sassoon “monopoly rights” to all manufacture of cotton goods, silk, and most important of all – Opium – then the most addictive drug in the world!

    The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1905, states that Sassoon expanded his opium trade into China and Japan. He placed his eight sons in charge of the various major opium exchanges in China. According to the 1944 Jewish Encyclopedia: “He employed only Jews in his business, and wherever he sent them he built synagogues and schools for them. He imported whole families of fellow Jews. . . and put them to work.”

    Sassoon’s sons were busy pushing this mind-destroying drug in Canton, China. Between 1830 – 1831 they trafficked 18,956 chests of opium earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836, drug addiction in coastal cities [of China] became endemic.

    In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that it be stopped. He named the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoons. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for the British Army. The war ended in 1839 with the signing of “The Treaty of Nanking.” This included provisions especially designed to guarantee the Sassoons the right to enslave an entire population with opium. The “peace treaty” included these provisions: “1) Full legalization of the opium trade in China, 2) compensation from the opium stockpiles confiscated by Lin of 2 million pounds, 3) territorial sovereignty for the British Crown over several designated offshore islands.

    This gave the Sassoon’s monopoly rights to distribute opium in port cities. However, even this was not good enough, and Sassoon demanded the right to sell opium throughout the nation. The Manchus resisted and the British Army again attacked in the “Second Opium War fought 1858 – 1860. Palmerston declared that all of interior China must be open for uninterrupted opium traffic. The British suffered a defeat at the Taku Forts in June 1859 when sailors, ordered to seize the forts, were run aground in the mud-choked harbor. Several hundred were killed or captured. An enraged Palmerston said: “We shall teach such a lesson to these perfidious hordes that the name of Europe will hereeafter be a passport of fear.”

    In October, the British besieged Peking. When the city fell, British commander Lord Elgin, ordered the temples and other sacred shrines in the city sacked and burned to the ground as a show of Britain’s absolute contempt for the Chinese. In the new “Peace Treaty” of Oct.25, 1860, the British were assigned rights to vastly expanded opium trade covering seven-eights of China, which brought in over 20 million pounds in 1864 alone. In that year, the Sassoons imported 58,681 chests of opium, and by 1880 it had skyrocketed to 105,508 chests making the Sassoons the richest Jews in the world. England was given the Hong Kong peninsula as a colony and large sections of Amoy, Canton, Foochow, Ningpo and Shanghai. Sassoon would not allow any other race to engage in “the Jews’ business.”

    However, the British government would not allow any opium to be imported into Europe!

    British barbarians of “lord” persuasion joined with rapacious Jews to inflict enormous harm on the whole country of China. When will the Chinese demand reparations for the Brits-Jews-conducted Genocide of the Chinese?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @antibeast
    , @antibeast
  172. @Decoy

    Noooo, I didn’t say that. (Hhmm, see a trend here? Of implying meanings beyond what someone stated?)

    I’m am not well-versed on the details of WTH we were really doing over there (like most American citizens) but, I suspect that we largely took or achieved what we wanted and when only diminishing returns remained and a more important conflict was on deck – we bailed.

    A nuke power could certainly lose against another nuke power and a superpower could also lose in the way we are now – which is to be overthrown from within. Occurring as we speak and will continue.

  173. @Thomas Faber

    I think the author makes a very good case, Mr. Roberts. I don’t think that zero-Covid is a good strategy, especially seeing that it is not really working – the Corona is too infectious, and not debilitating enough, to be contained like that (people are not incapacitated as with say, ebola, which doesn’t spread much for that reason.)

    You are correct at face value. While I totally disagree with China zero-Covid policy and felt it is a futile effort, given China’s track record of setting policies to react to things 5-10 years ahead, I feel this is a long term battle of attrition.

    Mr. Roberts quoted Naomi Wu about the unsustainability of letting Covid runs it course resulting in lost of manpower is true. We are already seeing it. China since 2019 and in the Biden era, already been sanctioned and tariffed to the hilt, will probably hunker down for a few years, reorganize, get the semiconductor industry up to speed and train more skilled engineers. 5-10 years from now, China will re-emerge energized while the West will scramble to find skilled workers to sustain its economy.

    The hostility against Chinese students, engineers and scientist in the US is one of the stupidest short term act I have ever seen. Many are heading back to China. 2022 was the first time China has more universities ranked in the top 100 than the US. Chinese students now have options.

    Canada plans to accept 500,000 immigrants every year starting 2025. What kind of immigrants then? Not all immigrants are the same. East Asians are not coming to Canada anymore. If they do, only a trickle of them to make any dent. Most immigrants are from Africa, South America and South Asia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Thomas Faber
  174. @Brian Damage

    Once China’s GDP per capita reaches $30k or more, Chinese Nationalism will still be there but the need for the CCP will not.

    The CCP has already evolved into the “Chinese Culture Party”– just ask Kishore Mahbubani.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  175. @Sterplaz

    Whatever.

    I still say China would not be so strong without access to the US.

    Now that is a more realistic opinion. Of course. The US is still the largest economy in the world and any country with no access to the US economy will be less stronger. You were saying that China is export dependant and will die if US stop buying from China. I gave you the stats and now you are backtracking?

    As for the rest of what I wrote, they were about 5-10 years from now. US will be a different place.

    Weekend DIYers use to have no quality tools? I distinctly remember many DIYers in the 1970s, all with their own tools. And usually American made. Over the 1980s & 1990s, it was replaced with cheaper priced and cheaper quality tools, many from China.

    I am not talking about hand tools but specialized tools. Even a visit to Radio Shack in the 80s to buy small components cost an arm and leg relative to the GDP per capita back then.

    • Replies: @Sterplaz
  176. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    Maybe, never.
    History told Chinese many times that the fall of an empire/dynasty can only be credited to people of the empire herself, the mandate of heaven.
    Other barbarians are just barbarians, no matter whatever barbaric things they do to the empire/dynasty, they are just part of the mandate, like an earthquake, flood, drought, weather.

  177. H. L. M says:
    @RoatanBill

    Gary Barnett has apparently been reading the Roatan Bill comment archive.

  178. @John Johnson

    One Chinese saying relating to China’s history is “we never pursue the enemy beyond the mountain top”.

    Looking at China’s imperial legacy and contrasting it to the West, from the Greek-Macedonian Empire all the way to the current American Empire, you will notice that China’s legacy is far less bloody and intrusive into other people’s lives than the Western one. When the Chinese expedition discovered the East African coast, imperial China did not invade the easily conquerable African tribes nor did they set up colonial authorities.

    That the Chinese fought among themselves is not any foreigner’s business. For a huge country like China and a more than four thousand years civilization, bloodshed is a historic inescapability.

    Currently, the Chinese military buildup is a response to American aggressiveness and hegemonic drive. The Chinese contracted many infrastructure projects throughout the world and their antagonists accused them of setting debt traps. Yet, nowhere did the Chinese go uninvited. If some crooked politician tried to benefit at the expense of his country from inviting the Chinese to to execute infrastructure projects that are boondoggles, well we cannot blame the Chinese for jumping on the opportunity to seek a profitable engagement. Compare this to the way the American government has entrapped many third world countries through the World Bank or the IMF, and China’s spotty record would get shiny white.

    “The 20th century was America’s century but the 21st century will be China’s century; the business of China is business while the business of America is war”- Gerald Celente of the the Trendsjournal.

    • Agree: annamaria, nokangaroos
    • Replies: @annamaria
  179. I don’t think Mr. Barnett needs anyone’s help forming an opinion. He’s got his head screwed on real tight.

    I wish more people were aware of his writings, and lewrockwell.com as a whole. Some of the folks on that site are more than libertarians. I’d put Mr. Barnett in the anarchist category or very close to it. I’ve exchanged a few emails with him and he has a blind spot for, of all things, the humanities and social sciences. He thinks they have some value.

    Lew has been posting things from writers featured at unz.com periodically.

    • Replies: @H. L. M
  180. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    Chinese nationalism has always been there. It is one beast that the CCP is afraid of. Xi had to tap into it to gain legitimacy. But for how long? Once China’s GDP per capita reaches $30k or more, Chinese Nationalism will still be there but the need for the CCP will not.

    According to Wang Huning, the software — culture, traditions, values — found in the civilization of a society shapes its politics, not some abstract ideology such as ‘Marxism’ which pursues politics for the sake of improving the hardware — systems, institutions, economics — of that society. That explains why Wang Huning is critical of the revolutionary excesses of Maoist Communism which destroyed the traditional feudalism of Old China but left behind a cultural nihilism in the New China. After visiting the USA, Wang Huning became disillusioned with Western Liberalism due to its pernicious effects on the individualistic culture of American society. Belonging to the Neo-Conservative School of Chinese intellectuals, Wang came back to China, eager to revive Classical Chinese Culture in the form of Confucian morality and Legalist authoritarianism, combined with Socialist market economics based on Marxist thought. Here’s a good article giving a brief summary into the life and mind of Wang Huning, the most powerful public intellectual in Xi’s China:

    https://www.palladiummag.com/2021/10/11/the-triumph-and-terror-of-wang-huning/

    The CCP would have to rename itself the Chinese Confucian Party as Classical Chinese Culture is now being revived across all classes and sectors of Chinese society. In other words, the CCP is treating Modern Neo-Confucianism (for lack of a better word) as its cultural ideology while treating Marxism not as its ideological dogma but as its political theory.

    The irony is that Taiwan is going in the opposite direction, from Modern Neo-Confucianism during its first 50 years under the Chiang Dynasty one-man rule and KMT one-party rule to Western Liberalism gone Woke during the last two decades with Taiwanese homos running amok in that rich island today.

    • Replies: @Anon
  181. annamaria says:
    @Joe Levantine

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-190.html#comments, posted by Leroy:

    There will never be a truce in Ukraine. No negotiations. The West has no plans to negotiate. Their plan is the destruction of Europe, including Russia. They will never stop until someone stops them with overwhelming force. That is why I’m rootin’ for Putin. In the end, the defeat of the Empire will also benefit me.

    Posted by: JustAMaverick:

    We are in the calm before the storm. Between Ukrainian mud and the mid-terms elections coming up next week, and the Russians not wanting to do anything that might help Biden, things are at a momentary pause. But don’t let that fool you. Because hell is coming with winter. Washington is insane.
    When Russia starts to win decisively, the US will escalate. Both sides are now all in on this and the presidential elections are too far away to save anybody. To the ideologically driven psychopaths who are really in charge, Joe Biden is the perfect cover and even more perfect fall guy. We aren’t going to make it to 2024 without some serious pain and most likely World War 3.

    The supremacist Talmudists and fascist War profiteers cannot change their parasitic habits.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  182. Anonymous[841] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brian Damage

    The only difference between the UK and Canada when it comes to enormous levels of uncontrolled, massive, third world immigration is that Canadian politicians have the confidence to openly declare their intentions in public.

  183. annamaria says:

    An interesting confession: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-190.html#comments, posted by Allan Kaplan:

    [MORE]

    Israel is deeply sown in the fabric of today’s anti Russian mindset and the only ideology the former Jews of the Soviet Union are hellbent is to destroy Russia. Russia, on the other hand, have such Jews living and working in Russia with zero issues. However, being a Jew, we are still taught by the Rabbis from the Talmud that the Goy is a beast and a cockroach and at any and all costs, the Goyim’s world must be destroyed to the final days of accomplishing the making of a “Greater Israel”. Extremist socio-political hack named Oded Yinon, first created the “Greater Israel” national ideology document which later became in the USA known as the “Project for Next American Century PNAC”.

    Israeli PNAC is the foundation and the Standard Operating Manual of those who are the powers to be reckon with in the United States. The rest of the fake news media’s “leaders of USA” are just the actors following the directions from the script written in TelAviv and their diabolically super powers of the more than 3000 Zionist organizations in the USA. AIPAC, ADL, AJC are a few top tier Israeli foreign agencies operating in the USA with total impunity and full protection 24/7/360 by the entire civil, military and the foreign agencies of Israel in the USA. The roots are the Zionist roots but the tree is an American on appearance and this is where the biggest threat of total destruction of USA lies.

    If a super power’s military and the financial might is taken control by the Israeli Zionist Talmudic extremists, why create another yet most powerful Israel? Take over the powers of America and the evil Talmudic dream of Greater Israel is in their fists! And nothing the zombified Christian America can do but to wait for the fake last coming of Jesus to Jerusalem and the conversion of all the Jews to Christianity pipe dream is peddled to the ultimate peril of the USA!

    “Neuro-parasitogy of the Jewel Wasp and its Zombie Cockroach Host”

  184. Sterplaz says:
    @Brian Damage

    Yeah, whatever to you too.

    I didn’t say China would die, just that they wouldn’t be so strong.

    As for the claims (stats), no telling from where or from whom those was concocted. I can not refute them just now, but based on what can be seen here in America and around the world there is no obligation to unquestioning acceptance of them. Again, there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

    You said quality tools, now you are claiming specialized tools. Seems like that is backtracking.

    There were many DIYers in the 1970s with power/table tools, not just hand tools. And I did buy frequently at Radio Shack 1970s to 1990s, and although price per piece for small components (resistors, caps, inductors etc) was higher than a Jenco or other catalogue, it wasn’t any arm and a leg.

  185. antibeast says:
    @annamaria

    Contrary to your Alt-Right Conspiracy Theory, the Sassoons were latecomers to the Indian opium trade after arriving in Bombay in the 1830s. Only after the First Opium War did the Sassoons manage to secure a trading concession in HK, Guangzhou and other cities in China. The principal organizer of the Indian opium trade were the British EIC based in Bengal and Calcutta as well as the British trading firm Jardine-Matheson based in Guangzhou and later HK; it was the latter who had lobbied Lord Palmerston to wage the First Opium War against Qing China for seizing their opium chests in Guangzhou. The EIC had a monopoly on the Bengal opium exported out of Calcutta but gave out licenses to Malwa opium traders in Bombay. That’s how the Sassoons profited from the Indian opium trade in Bombay where Malwa opium was exported to China. But the Sassoons were not the first nor only Malwa opium traders in Bombay; other Indian traders like the Parsis organized and dominated the Malwa opium trade until surpassed by the Sassoons after the First Opium War. As Iraqi Jews, the Sassoons didn’t have much political influence in the UK. So it’s not possible for them to lobby the British parliament to send troops to fight on their behalf in China.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  186. antibeast says:
    @annamaria

    When will the Chinese demand reparations for the Brits-Jews-conducted Genocide of the Chinese?

    Well, China got HK back in 1997 (ceded in ‘perpetuity’ to the UK after the First Opium War) and joined the WTO in 2001. Methinks that would be enough ‘compensation’ for the Opium Wars and the sacking of the Summer Palace. The British, by the way, agreed to ban the Indian opium trade with China in 1906 but Indian opium trade continued in Southeast Asia until the end of WWII.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  187. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    No, CCP don’t need to change their name at all.
    Both Confucianism and Communism share the same kind of final vision: equality of human being.
    Deep down, Chinese still believe in such vision.
    Whatever means, whatever failures happened, doesn’t really hurt the vision.
    1000 years ago, if a boy say he want to fly to the moon and try that by jumping down the mountain, he is similar to a communist living in modern world.
    Nowadays, if a boy say he want to fly to the moon, he has a vision to become an astronaut.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Brian Damage
  188. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Just want to point out what economists and others who track such things already know.

    That chart at the beginning tracks economic power by exchange rates. Exchange rates fluctuate and can be artificially manipulated. For example, the U.S. dollar is currently increasing in “value” (I hesitate to use the word “value” and US dollar in the same sentence, but bear with me) relative to the Pound, Euro and Yen. The Fed is increasing interest rates, artificially propping up USD.

    Does that mean that the REAL U.S. economy is rapidly increasing in size, that the economy is growing? Not only no, but HELL NO, but if you use exchange rates, and convert Euros/Yen/Pound to Dollars, the United States is leaving other developed nations in the dust, for now. (Yeah, I know, these nations are all not developed, but stagnant, including the devolving America).

    The actual measure of economies, and how much is produced and therefore consumed there is Purchasing Power Parity. Economists know this. PPP answers the question, “how much would the exact same product, same tech/quality/performance, cost if made in one country vs. another”.

    Take anything: aircraft, satellites, computers, tractors, main battle tanks, drones. Due to exchange rates, THE EXACT SAME THING, can seemingly cost one thing if made in the U.S. and another if made say in Russia or China, if measured in simplistic U.S. Dollar terms.

    This is where you get the strange idea that Russia’s economy is similar than Italy’s. In U.S. Dollar terms, it seems true! Both stand at around $ 2 Trillion. In REALITY, factoring out exchange rates, Russia has a $4.7 Trillion economy, the planet’s 6th most powerful (Italy stands at $3 Trillion)

    Again, in the real world, China long ago (start of 2015) pulled even with the U.S. economy. It has continued to widen its lead. Chinese make and consume much less than Americans or Europeans, PER PERSON. But China is clearly the planet’s largest and most powerful production entity. It’s not even debatable.

    Will the American economy EVER AGAIN grow faster than the still advancing Chinese economy? In real terms? No vaguely serious person (American here), can ask that question without being convulsed by laughter!

    Look, we will continue to live better than the Chinese until past 2035. Living better is the point, amirite? Focus on that, and you’ll feel much better.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  189. @annamaria

    “2023 will be a year from hell“
    Martin Armstrong of Armstrongeconomics.com, the greatest forecaster of the U.S.

    Biden has stated that the United States consists of 54 states and his son died in Iraq after confusing Iraq for Ukraine, when his son died of cancer and had nothing to do with Iraq. The man is pathetically senile, which makes him the perfect tool of the deep state that surrounds him with its minions who would make El Presidente sign anything they put on his desk. So far Biden is still in control of his bowel movement; let us hope he does not lose this capacity while attending to some diplomatic
    gathering.

    When an evil mind like Biden’s become dysfunctional, any restraint by the brain to the hidden psychopathy is no more, hence Biden heralding Armageddon and labeling MAGA Americans as a threat to society and democracy.

  190. @JR Foley

    That should be enough to build a bridge to Taiwan. Or a tunnel to the US.

  191. antibeast says:
    @Anon

    Both Confucianism and Communism share the same kind of final vision: equality of human being. Deep down, Chinese still believe in such vision. Whatever means, whatever failures happened, doesn’t really hurt the vision.

    That vision of human equality came from Buddhism which promotes a spiritual life by living a communal, non-material way of life. Not surprisingly, Buddhism is making a strong comeback after several decades of economic prosperity have left behind the growing need for a more spiritual life which could never be satisfied by material things.

    1000 years ago, if a boy say he want to fly to the moon and try that by jumping down the mountain, he is similar to a communist living in modern world. Nowadays, if a boy say he want to fly to the moon, he has a vision to become an astronaut.

    Thousands of years ago, Taoist priests became the world’s earliest astronomers who gazed at the skies and studied the stars to find the Tao of the Cosmos or the Way of the Heavens. Today, Chinese astronauts fly to the Chinese Space Station to live in the skies while gazing at the stars. That’s the Chinese Dream in Xi’s China — to seek the Way of the Heavens in order to live in harmony with the Tao of the Cosmos. Methinks the world is about to witness the coming Chinese Renaissance in this 21st Century!

    • Replies: @Anon
  192. @Bardon Kaldlan

    a) every nation and society on earth has gone through ups and downs… ascension and decline. one cannot be found on earth that did not… just ask China – it happened to them several times since they have the longest continuous history

    b) yes and that’s why the US wants to weaken Russia and get its resources so it can’t sell to China. but Russia is being kept afloat by selling resources to China (and India and Southeast Asia)

  193. @WCH

    Yeah pretty much…. Financial products – pharmaceuticals – semiconductors are pretty much the only industries left that the US is ahead of China. China is working on the latter two but has no interest to be ahead in financial products. For instance they just are implementing a private pension system. That pension system will not be like the US 401k system which just funnels money into the financial system. One tenet is it has to be safe assets…

    https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2211042312/

  194. @onebornfree

    Name the tangible finished goods that the US produces more of than China. Name a tangible good where the US is a larger market than China. China produces real goods… The US produces financial speculation. The main propaganda here is yours. Fact is you are right those numbers in this piece are wrong – but only because they don’t measure REAL economy for which China passed the US long ago. Even if you measure GDP by exchange rate purchasing power (PPP) – China passed the US way back in 2014.
    It’s not just production anymore… Even when it comes to R&D – there are more R&D personnel in China than the US now…

    You seem to just be going off Gordon Chang handouts and trying to sound clever.

  195. China plays the long game. they have built 1st world cities to house almost 4,000,000,000 people. They are slowly filling these cities and the will have a billion slaves to serve them once filled. things do not have cross borders let alone oceans to gain value. China is simply going to replace US consumers with Chinese consumers after the Federal Reserve Note finishes losing world reserve currency status.

    In the end it will be good for white Americans. Once the resources to feed clothe and educate non whites is no longer available they will go back where they belong. When the hyper inflation is done jews will be expelled. Without jews to cover up the fact non whites are just parasites and carry water for the non whites they will be seen for what they are and expelled.

    The USA has all the resources it needs to be its own world so to speak as long as non white parasites do not suck up so much of its resources. After a short depression the USA sans non whites and jews will boom.

  196. @Deep Thought

    The CCP has already evolved into the “Chinese Culture Party”– just ask Kishore Mahbubani.

    Out of necessity to stay relevant.

  197. @Anon

    No, CCP don’t need to change their name at all.

    I always feel that in around 2012, China should’ve “dismantled” the CCP and “started” a new political entity with a name that can be traced back to the thousands of years of Chinese civilization. I would change that red flag to something of a variation of the Qing dynasty flag and rename its anglicized name China to ZhongQuo. Chinese nationalism is not just limited to mainland China. Such a move would have made it easier for Taiwan to get on board. And the very wealthy Chinese diaspora.

  198. @JackOH

    We’ve actually had Congressmen wincingly admit on 60 Minutes that lobbyists write the legislation that the House and Senate whips tell them to endorse.

    I have been “in the room” for different industries over the years (now retired).

    That is exactly how it works.

    The lobbyists also get deeper into the weeds and shape the specific agency implementing regulations (through a complex process too boring to detail here).

    The mass media claims of “democracy” are hilarious propaganda.

    The US is a kleptocracy–of, by and for corporate and “non profit” thieves.

    • Thanks: JackOH
  199. Sean says:
    @Brás Cubas

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  200. @Brian Damage

    Great list and you have the best comments in the thread… But a few quibbles. Are you sure about aluminum? I thought that was Russia.

    Fishery – yes both in the high seas – but not well known in the west is China is by far the tops in fish farming.

    Lastly – gold reserves. China produces the most gold and imports the most gold. China is assuredly not declaring all the gold the government has in reserve… Not by a long shot. My guess is that while it has far less nukes than the US or Russia – it has far more than the 250 the US estimates. China has not declared how many it has. It also no longer reports actual reserves of gold…. Much of what is imported goes through Hong Kong and is shielded from scrutiny.

  201. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    every ‘new religion’ had used some equality ideas as one of their means to win believers from the relatively ‘old religion’.
    Buddhism used that, Christian used that,Islamic used that.
    But equality was never part of their final vision.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  202. @Brian Damage

    Well, I suppose if zero-Covid is a move in an economic war of attrition, with the idea of destabilizing supply-chains in a way that damages Chinas opponents more than China itself… But it seems a strange way of doing that. Either way, the Corona will spread in China, for the reasons I stated in my previous comment, it will just take longer – and be more expensive and with dramatically reduced efficiency, ecnomically speaking.

    Using Ivermection and HCQ to fight Covid instead would be a smarter way, I think – imagine the destructive potential of such a move, if Western populations saw China doing that successfully. How long would Western governments last under such a scenario?

    This is assuming that the government of China and “the West” is not entangled in some conspiracy – which I am not certain is not the case.

  203. @John Johnson

    Absolute nonsense. The US never controlled 90% of Afghanistan. They controlled the capital and regions around it basically. Americans were dying all along elsewhere. Sometimes fighting Taliban – sometimes fighting other tribal warlords… Sometimes killed by people who signed up to the Afghan military for the express purpose of killing Americans from the inside. The Afghan people who didn’t even like the Taliban still didn’t want the US there. The Taliban walked back in without a fight because they never lost influence. US media makes people into fools. Anyone who was watching non biased international news knew a US puppet government was never going to stand.

    • Agree: shadowy_figure
  204. If the US remains under the rule of Judeo-Satanic nihilists and their collaborators, in both economic and social terms, the country will collapse, not merely decline. In that case, its per capita GDP will be much lower than China’s. Think Venezuela and the Congo and add enforced homosexuality and White genocide.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  205. @Joe Levantine

    As far as China goes, the Chinese have proven throughout history to be a pragmatic people who are more interested in trade and profit than in ideology and warfare.

    Written like someone who’s either read very little Chinese history, or comprehended little of what he’s read. China’s no different from any other country/empire. Ideology is a garment to be worn or discarded according to the zeitgeist. The big picture goal of ideology is to legitimize the ruler’s absolute power and to make those who would replace him look like evil incarnate. All else is filler.

    The principal goal of any non-dissipated Chinese ruler is self-aggrandizement. The main avenue for improving his rank in the history books is territorial enlargement. That is why the greatest rulers in Chinese history are very similar to rulers who had “the Great” appended to their names in Russia. They improve in prestige by adding land, whether by hook or by crook.

  206. @Rubicon

    China will never match the USA in lies, liars, BS – 99% of USA’s GDP.

    • Agree: annamaria
  207. @Johann Ricke

    Racist garbage and crude projection. The goal of a ‘good’ Emperor has always been the ‘Mandate of Heaven’, ie the approval of the transcendental powers for good governance for the people. Harmony within, and without. The utter gibberish filth about ‘adding land’ is just a racist Big Lie. China has had more or less the same territory, on and off, for centuries, even millennia. If you want to see territorial aggrandisement through aggression and genocide, look at the USA, or Imperial Europe.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  208. @Ray Caruso

    ‘Enforced’ homosexuality!!??? You wish, eh Enrico.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  209. @showmethereal

    Two hundred and fifty nukes is enough to destroy the USA and cause a nuclear winter. Why have more?

    • Replies: @Hulkamania
    , @showmethereal
  210. Al Liguori says: • Website

    indigenous k’aifeng and alien Jews in China http://judaism.is/china.html 開封猶太族
    יהדות קאיפנג

    Surprising to some, Jews have been an important fraction of the Chinese ruling class for almost two millennia. Jews fomented the revolution against the Last Chinese Emperor, then founded the first Chinese Republic under Dr. Sun Yat-sen, himself a K’aifeng Jew. Jews dominated the founding of “Chinese” Communism. It was, of course, a Jew, Grigori Voitinsky, that founded the Chinese Communist Party:

    [MORE]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Voitinsky

    How Jews took over China and created Chinese Communism https://fitzinfo.net/2021/07/19/how-jews-took-over-china-an-created-chinese-communism/

    Chinese Communism is as Jewish as its Russian Cousin https://silview.media/2021/05/29/chinese-communism-is-as-jewish-as-its-russian-cousin/

    So blame Rabbi Hess, Marx, Voitinsky, Rittenberg, Sachs, et al. for Mao and add another 75 million dead.

    Mao Zedong in 1959
    Chairman of the Communist Party of China
    In office
    March 20, 1943 – September 9, 1976

    “According to conservative estimates of experts, there are currently about 45 million people in China who fall under the Israeli Law of Return – Jews, immigrants from Kaifeng [141] and other ancient communities and their families.… This information ended with a passage that is, in our opinion, sensational to a certain extent. Let’s quote it in full: ‘The first planes with repatriates from China will land at the airport. Ben-Gurion on a symbolic day – December 26, 1993, when the whole world will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the birth of the great son of the Kaifeng community – Chairman Mao.’ [“Moscow – Jerusalem”. Zionist Newspaper, December 1993, no. 15 (17).”]

    machine translation from: ЛитМир – Электронная Библиотека > Русаков Роман > Дыхание драконов (Россия, Китай и евреи) > Стр.12 (LitMir – Electronic Library> Roman Rusakov> Breath of Dragons (Russia, China and Jews)> Page 12)

    https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=110481&p=12

    Zhou Enlai in the 1940s
    1st Premier of the People’s Republic of China
    In office
    October 1, 1949 –
    January 8, 1976

    Russian academic & Jew Leonid Eilman reveals a Chinese student told him that communist heads Deng Xiaoping & Zhou Enlai were Jews:

    “In the fifties of the twentieth century, the Soviet Union was friends with communist China. At that time, I was a student at the Moscow Institute of Non-Ferrous Metals, and I was placed in a dormitory ‘Kommunka’ in the same room with a Chinese student Xu Qing Xiang. In the evenings we talked about different topics.

    • Xu why don’t you pick up a heart friend among our girls?

    • They have a lot of nose on their face!

    Yi Xu hung a poster of a Chinese beauty in a bright silk dress over my bed.…

    Deng Xiaoping in January 1979
    Chairman of the Central Advisory Commission
    In office
    September 13, 1982 – November 2, 1987

    “In Shanghai, Harbin, Jews who arrived from Russia already in this century, and there are a lot of ancient Jews. We call them ‘Hakka’ – aliens. They speak Old Chinese and have thicker beards than the Chinese. They try not to mix with the local population, and after our revolution they entered the ranks of the party leaders: Zhou enlai and his friend Deng xiao ping!”

    machine translation from: По следам переселений евреев-мизрахи.

    by Леонид Ейльман • 21 мая 2016 (In the wake of the migrations of the Mizrahi Jews.

    by Leonid Eilman • May 21, 2016)

    https://blogs.7iskusstv.com/?p=52538

    A 30-year-old photo shows the long history that Jew and Freemason Terry Branstad has with K’aifeng Jew Xi Jinping
    https://www.businessinsider.com/terry-branstad-xi-jinping-china-ambassador-2016-12
    https://gwmemorial.org/blogs/news/grand-lodge-of-the-month-iowa

    • Disagree: antibeast
    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @nokangaroos
  211. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brosi

    AKA-‘Samson-Option’

  212. Just a sample of cheap Chinese junks.

  213. @Sterplaz

    “If this really is a small part of China’s economy, or exports, then where are the Chinese selling the rest? If these other peoples around the world are accounting for the majority of China’s exports, why did China need the USA consumer market in the first place? ”

    “China also gets a lot of their technology via stealing American tech know-how, which is something they don’t have to spend GDP on. ”

    1) China is the number 1 trading partner to around 140 countries… That’s how… It is American hubris to think the rest of the world is all poor people and only Americans have any money in their pocket. It’s not true though… Even still its not what you think or not. It is a simple measure. Every country reports their exports and imports. If China was making it’s trade numbers up it would be easy to tell. China has the largest middle class in the world. They buy things. That’s why most of China’s production is for domestic consumption and not exports. In 1980 that was not true… This is not 1980.

    2) go check who spends what on R&D…. when you adjust for exchange rates – China actually spends the most in the world on R&D

    • Replies: @Sterplaz
  214. @Thomas Faber

    Some people argue that the Zero Covid policy is actually not about Covid per se.

    They argue that China knows that it is under attack by the US. In their eyes, when economic war failed, they went on to biological attack…..aka Covid.

    The Chinese know that due to their population densities, they are particularly susceptible to biological warfare and that if not Covid, then another much more dangerous biological agent will be used at any time.

    So the Zero “Covid” policy is actually a Chinese red alert stance against another biological attack against them. It keeps the population alert and well drilled against such an attack.

    I don’t know about you, but I can’t argue against such a stance.

  215. @Johann Ricke

    Written like someone who’s either read very little Chinese history, or comprehended little of what he’s read.

    It depends what part of Chinese history you are looking at. True, in its early phases, China went through what all empires go through, a territorial expansion phase. But by about 1000AD its borders have remained roughly the same.

    The only exception to this rule, and the present PRC is really the result of China itself being conquered by the Manchus and added to their empire.

    Here it is useful to distinguish between China (the historical China) and the modern “China” aka PRC.

  216. @Al Liguori

    Since so many people here make such a convincing argument the Jews are all powerful, I think we should stop praying to God for our daily bread.

    We should start praying to the Jews now.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  217. @mulga mumblebrain

    Because we have to make sure UK is turned into a radioactive crater as well.

  218. @showmethereal

    Great list and you have the best comments in the thread… But a few quibbles. Are you sure about aluminum? I thought that was Russia.

    While compiling the list, I made the mistake of typing “reserves” instead of “production”. Guinea has the largest bauxite reserves. Australia 2nd and Vietnam 3rd. All three combined, about 52% of the world’s reserves.

    China processes the most bauxite due to obvious reasons. Guinea is a friendly Chinese trade partner despite having three coups in the last 3 years.

    Fishery – yes both in the high seas – but not well known in the west is China is by far the tops in fish farming.

    Same with rice cultivation. With impending climate crisis, China is ahead of the curve by advancing in saltwater rice farming.

    My guess is that while it has far less nukes than the US or Russia – it has far more than the 250 the US estimates

    That’s given. I suspect China has already accelerated its nuke program years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if it has double the estimated amount with a goal of at least a thousand by the next decade.

  219. @Brosi

    The American ruling class seems to have put all of their eggs into the basket of transhumanist technological development, which they believed would secure their total dominance over the world in perpetuity. They didn’t bother to plan long term because they thought they could just get brain chips connected to AGI and become superhuman before the societal decline they initiated caught up with them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  220. @mulga mumblebrain

    The utter gibberish filth about ‘adding land’ is just a racist Big Lie. China has had more or less the same territory, on and off, for centuries, even millennia.

    Every new ruling house went on a bloody rampage. It’s not unique to China, but the idea that China is this cud chewing herbivore minding its own business is risible. Anyway, a history of China’s territorial extent over the ages can be be reviewed by clicking on the follow-on eras at this link:

    https://www.timemaps.com/history/china-1500bc/

    It’s not the only source for this information, but it’s convenient in the sense of providing access to the highlights inside of a minute. There’s also numeric data on the territorial extent of various Chinese empires:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires

    3800 years ago, the Xia empire, as noted above, spanned 170K sq miles. The current Red empire exceeds 3m sq miles. It did not get there there via a kumbayafest.

  221. antibeast says:
    @Anon

    Every ‘new religion’ had used some equality ideas as one of their means to win believers from the relatively ‘old religion’. Buddhism used that, Christian used that,Islamic used that. But equality was never part of their final vision.

    Depends on which branch of Buddhism you’re talking about. Mahayana Buddhism preached ‘Enlightenment’ for human beings by following the precepts of the Buddhist Sutras. In Ch’an Buddhism which is the Chinese version of the Pure Land School of Mahayana Buddhism, a human being can achieve ‘Buddhahood’ by practicing sitting meditation as exemplified by the life and ideals of Bodhidharma, the legendary founder of Ch’an Buddhism (known as Zen Buddhism in Japan). There is no need for a religious organization nor an ecclesiastical authority in Ch’an Buddhism, which represents the purest form of spiritual experience unencumbered by material things or worldly desires. Human salvation is achieved only by renouncing the material world, thus becoming ‘Enlightened’. The opposite is true: human suffering comes from the desire for wealth, lust for power, drive for violence, all of which are made manifest in world history.

    The Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are, on the other hand, monotheistic religions, all of which presume the existence of an all-powerful deity whose commands must be obeyed by all human beings lest violent retribution be meted out as divine punishment. Incredibly misanthropic, all these Abrahamic religions view human nature as intrinsically evil which requires divine intervention in order to achieve human salvation. Perfectibility is not within the realm of human volition nor within the reach of Thisworld but something achievable only by divine intervention in the Otherworld.

  222. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    That’s true. China has a lot of natural resources beneath the sand dunes in Xinjiang, the Gobi desert in Inner Mongolia and the high mountains in Tibet that remain undiscovered. There’s a reason why China opted to import natural resources from foreign countries instead of depending solely on the exploitation of domestic resources: environmental protection. For instance, China has the world’s largest shale reserves of natural gas which are not being extracted at large scale due to Chinese concerns with their environmental impact. Ditto for the natural resources deep in the rainforest of Xishuangbanna which is the second largest in Asia. Compared to Western Europe or Southeast Asia, China has a lower population density than either of both and thus higher base of natural resources available per capita. China also has a large coastline whose offshore reserves of natural resources remain untapped. Remember that China began its large-scale industrial development only after 1949. Before then, industrial development was sporadic and limited to a few urban centers in Shanghai and Manchuria during the 1920s and 1930s. That’s why China remained an undeveloped country with 90% of the people living in rural areas where industrial development did not begin until China promoted rural industrialization in the 1960s. That’s at most a century of industrial development which required natural resources mostly imported from abroad. Compare that to the USA whose industrial development relied mostly on the exploitation of domestic resources for most of its 200+ history.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  223. @Thomas Faber

    Well, I suppose if zero-Covid is a move in an economic war of attrition, with the idea of destabilizing supply-chains in a way that damages Chinas opponents more than China itself… But it seems a strange way of doing that. Either way, the Corona will spread in China, for the reasons I stated in my previous comment, it will just take longer – and be more expensive and with dramatically reduced efficiency, ecnomically speaking.

    My opinion is, Covid provided the opportunity for the West to tighten the screws on China in hope that it will break and gain control of its economy. The destabilization of the supply-chains is just a short term casualty of it.

    If you look at this from a 10 year timeframe, the zero-covid policy in the short term may look kind of stupid but gave China respite. a reset, to regroup and to reorganize.

    China’s Covid vaccines lack the efficacy rate of BioNtech mRNA vaccines, especially Omicron. If you have been to Chinese cities, like other Asian cities, the density of people is very high. Even at an efficacy rate of 79&, 100 of millions can be infected. I am sure in a couple of years, newer versions of vaccines with higher efficacy rates will be available.

    At the end of the day, it is about the labor force. In 10 years, the West will not have enough skilled labor to sustain its economy. The US is going to feel it soon. Canada already did. Canada has been receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants per year in the last few years and recently announced that 2025 onwards, it will increase it to 500,000 immigrants a year. Canada’s population is 10% of the US. An influx of 500k immigrants a year is like the US admitting 5 million a year. Same thing is happening in Europe.

    In the past, immigrants are looked upon with disdain. Nowadays, they are highly sought after. Unfortunately, there are not enough quality immigrants to fill the needs of high value added economies. STEM immigrants are hard to come by. The high quality ones are staying put in their respective successful countries.

    Sanctions after sanctions, China might as well close shop and let the whole supply chain collapse, train more STEM people, work with the Global South, secure resources from allies like Russia, invest more in RnD, expedite its semiconductor making capability, make better vaccines, improve its military defense capabilities and who knows, in 10 years, it will emerge stronger.

    • Thanks: Thomas Faber
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  224. @Sean

    I don’t know. This guy seems to have the power to read Putin’s mind. I am not as gifted. As for his take on China — that it will continue to do business with the West and with Russia, and so has nothing to lose — it seems that the West is tackling that problem.

  225. @antibeast

    More exactly the 100-year lease on the New Territories (hinterland and
    water supply, extorted from China when HK´s and Little Britain´s stategic
    demands´growth exceeded the shitty little pirate nest´s possibilities) ran out,
    and without them Hong Kong s. s. was untenable.
    Little Britain eeked and awked, threatened and blustered, then at long last
    grudgingly poisoned the pill (the “democracy” Hong Kong never enjoyed under
    British rule).
    Nothing to boast about.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
    , @antibeast
  226. @Al Liguori

    I have to disagree on the Hakka – a relic people, more or less montagnards,
    with a rather wacky matrilocal society (always an adaptation to limited
    arable land, but it keeps the men slim 😛 ).
    They were the main purveyors of the T´ai-ping uprising, and Leninism´s
    reliance on disgruntled minorities is nothing new.
    0.2% of the world population cannot be under every bed.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  227. BAA says: • Website
    @Bro43rd

    Totally agree. That is why money and usury were invented and tied into collecting agencies like the government. Problem is, every household needs a budget to take care of simple stuff like vacuuming the floor, cleaning the bathroom, etc. Countries need that too. How do you get people to make voluntary contributions without lapsing into a similar system of theft by stealth? America’s handlers made sure America killed off any country that did not exploit usury, under the guise of “getting rid of terrorists.” Money is the best way to enslave people, whether it is tied in to governments or not, because it is a tool with potential to gain leverage over your fellow human. That’s how usury came into existence, by these sly predators who hole out like cockroaches in every nook and cranny of the world, and protect themselves from criticism with their self-victimizing credo of anti-semitism, whatever it may be. Usury continues to be the life-force of these psychopathic parasites. As long as they thrive on this life-force, the rest of the world crumples under the insanity of their personal plans for the Earth and its inhabitants. Including the destruction of earth and sky by the extremely expensive geoengineering idiocy that is ongoing, while everybody has his eyes on the vulgarianism of the Greta Thunbergs and other mongrels like that.

  228. @antibeast

    That’s true. China has a lot of natural resources beneath the sand dunes in Xinjiang,

    The Xinjiang province has the most natural resource in China. One of the main reason why the US is stirring up separatist sh%t.

    There’s a reason why China opted to import natural resources from foreign countries instead of depending solely on the exploitation of domestic resources: environmental protection

    Also, it makes perfect sense to import resources to make products for exports without depleting one’s own natural resources. Resources once mined, are gone while profits can be made anytime.

    China also has a large coastline whose offshore reserves of natural resources remain untapped.

    That coastline will become more productive once saltwater rice cultivation is in full force. Chinese agritech came a long way and now at the forefront. Those nerdy technocrats in Beijing know that in a decade or two, climate change will cause severe fluctuations in climate. Droughts and flooding will be common. Already common but will be worse. Food shortage will be acute. South Asia and Africa will be affected the most. I guess those two continents will be the source of immigrants for the shrinking labor force in Europe and North America.

  229. antibeast says:
    @Sterplaz

    If this really is a small part of China’s economy, or exports, then where are the Chinese selling the rest? If these other peoples around the world are accounting for the majority of China’s exports, why did China need the USA consumer market in the first place? How did these aforementioned peoples around the world come to be a large share of the consumers of Chinese exports?

    There’s a simple explanation: the export figures from China to the USA are misleading because they include American goods which are counted based on the cost of goods produced in China and then exported back to the USA. But the USA count those imports based on the price of goods imported to the USA. The difference between the two is the profit margin of the US owner of the American goods manufactured in China but sold in the USA. For example, China produces 80-90% of the smartphones in the world, including Apple’s iPhones which are exported mostly to the USA. The Chinese factories contracted to manufacture those iPhones don’t make much profit which mostly goes to Apple. If Apple were to stop manufacturing their iPhones in China, then that would only affect their sales of iPhones but not the sales of Chinese-branded smartphones produced by Chinese OEMs who would end up taking market share away from Apple in China.

    Why did China not have them as markets for their exports in the 1980s and 1990s?

    During the 1980s and 1990s, China was exporting mostly to Asia until it joined the WTO in 2001. There’s a persistent myth that the Chinese economy is dependent upon exports to the USA. That may have been true during the period after joining the WTO in 2001 to the year 2007 right before the GFC. During that time, China was exporting mostly cheap consumer goods to the USA until the GFC 2008 when China’s exports to the USA collapsed. That’s when China began restructuring its economy away from exports to the USA and establish trade relationships with Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, culminating in the BRI which was launched in 2014. Since then, China’s exports to the USA has declined to around 2% of its GDP while its exports to Asia, Europe, Africa and Latin America have boomed.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
    , @Sterplaz
  230. @nokangaroos

    Little Britain eeked and awked, threatened and blustered, then at long last
    grudgingly poisoned the pill (the “democracy” Hong Kong never enjoyed under
    British rule).

    And tries to poach high quality immigrants from HK by offering no strings attached (NSA) visas. Same with Canada. Offering HKers with degrees NSA work visas in hope of trapping them into permanent residencies. Those stupid enough to bite will see a drastic decrease in their quality of life and constant racist abuse by the locals.

  231. antibeast says:
    @nokangaroos

    The problem that the British had was that the island of HK could not survive without the New Territories. So Deng and Thatcher came up with a compromise: the British get to keep their property rights in HK island which includes the most expensive residential property (The Peak) and commercial property (Central) in the world with the HK capitalist system preserved under the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ model. That was the Deng-Thatcher deal which the Yanks sabotaged by having the NED sponsor a color revolution in HK. The Chinese never agreed to grant ‘democracy’ — whatever that means — to HK which were allowed only limited autonomy in local government. The US Deep State then completely subverted the meaning and intent of the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ model by hiring the HK rioters to push for independence from China which was never agreed upon between Deng and Thatcher. What Deng promised to Thatcher was the preservation of HK’s capitalist system, which the CCP largely kept. Now, the Yanks want the West to stop using HK’s capitalist system to do business with China because… HK is not ‘democratic’? The British never allowed the HK citizens to elect their Chief Executive but instead appointed their Governor who was sent from London to rule HK. Somebody ought to tell the Yankee Bozos that HK was never ‘democratic’ under British rule because it was a mere Colony of the British Crown!

    • Agree: showmethereal
  232. @Thomas Faber

    It’s not about stopping COVID. It’s about having a system of civil biodefense ready against what the US is going to unleash next. They are just waiting for the moment to release it. In all likelihood it’s already in China with American agents waiting for the order.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  233. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    This is some frickin great reporting here on CIA’s war on China:

    Remember when CIA wanted to blow up the WTC, they pulled Winfield out of the National Military Command Center and replaced him with some fucking mongoloid cub scout who was on a White House tour? Leidig. They swapped out a Brigadier General for a Captain, who was just as confused and helpless as you would expect.

    Well, when CIA infected the country with their own SARS2 germ warfare, they did the same thing! Put some numbnuts in charge. That avoids interference when you need to cover your tracks, exterminate superfluous population, or impose totalitarian repression.

    https://brownstone.org/articles/governments-national-security-arm-led-the-covid-response/

    The HHS pukes are crooked, but they know what they’re doing. Leave them in charge, and people will start covering their ass with emails and memos. They don’t want to star in the next Nuremberg Doctors’ Trial or Khabarovsk Tribunal. So CIA pushed them aside and put FEMA in charge. If you want some moron sitting on his thumb while you’re ratfucking your own population, you go to DHS. That’s where they keep all the retards and psychos. Especially FEMA. FEMA knows jack shit about germs.

    It’s becoming increasingly clear that SARS2 was a twofer: sneak-attack China and Iran, and do some medical experiments on your subject population (infect them Tuskeegee-style, inject them Mengele style, brainwash them in classic CIA style.)

  234. @antibeast

    Your data is correct. You wasted your time typing all those words. It is over his delusional head.

    Something to think about. China bailed the US out after the 2008 financial crisis by buying lots and lots of T-bills. Essentially exchanging Yuans earned of the backs of hardworking Chinese for freshly printed US dollars. That pumped a lot of cash back into the US economy which in turn used to bail out the bozos who caused the financial crisis. After getting bailed out, Obama’s neocons started to “pivot to Asia”. Small sanctions/restrictions began to trickle in. Anti-China propaganda began to gain steam. 2011, China asked to gain access to the International Space Station which the US denied. Now China has its own state of the art space station while the ISS is set to be decommissioned in a few years.

    My own take is that’s how Xi Jinping came into the picture. To prepare China for what is happening to China today. China realized that it will take more than 10 years to do this and Xi is the guy. The two 5 year term limit was abolished. Of course, the West spins it as Emperor Xi, dictator for life.

    Although I disagree with some of Xi’s strategy, he is a best leader since Deng Xiaoping. A far cry from the crony capitalism of Jiang Zemin or his predecessor, powerless Hu Jintao sending hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out the US.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  235. @Brosi

    You are delusional if you think the Jews don’t have a foot on China (Kaifeng Jews) and Russia (Putin it’s a Jew itself lol). Massive amounts of Copium from this forum.

  236. H. L. M says:
    @RoatanBill

    You’re just being modest.

  237. @mulga mumblebrain

    None of the major powers needs more than 100 nukes.
    Well God forbid.. None of us should have any nukes… But that’s the world we live in. Personally I think there should be complete global nuclear disarmament – but that’s not likely.

  238. @Brian Damage

    Ok – got ya. I didn’t know it was Guinea though (bauxite)…
    As to gold… I have seen quite a few analysts of the gold industry state very similar things as this guy… But while they all say different tonnage – they all agree China’s gold reserves are a state secret. No question a good portion of China’s gold goes to industrial usage and jewelry and private holdings… But national reserves “have to be” larger than stated.

    https://moneyweek.com/investments/commodities/gold/603131/how-much-gold-does-china-own

  239. @Johann Ricke

    That is true… But it is also true that the “current Red empire” by diplomatic agreement – has given up land to Tajikistan – Kazhakstan – Krygzstan – Laos – Vietnam – Myanmar – Russia – and the entire nation of Mongolia. It also voluntarily pulled back from land it disputes with India in 1962 that it firmly took back after India started a fight. Those add up to lands bigger than all but a few countries on earth.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  240. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hulkamania

    transhumanist technological development

    If anybody has no qualms about transhumanism, AGI or ASI, and genetic/nano engineering, that would be China and Chinese researchers. That doctor who used CRISPR to modify those embryos has already turned up in China, quietly.

    Not saying China is right or wrong in this, but it’s what it is.

    • Replies: @迪路
  241. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @The_Masterwang

    a system of civil biodefense ready against what the US is going to unleash next

    Alright, granted that’s true. As per The Art of War, “survival is based on the Defensive, victory is based on the Offensive.”
    “Make yourself immune to attack, assured of survival, unable to be defeated. Then, seek victory via going on the attack yourself.”

    China can’t win, and can never stop the biological attacks, based only on defending. At some point, when China has a huge nuclear arsenal and conventional military, AND enough bioweapons capacity, China will be forced to counter attack.

    “We will never initiate. If attacked, be assured, will WILL counter attack”. – attributed to a Chinese leader

    • Replies: @The_Masterwang
  242. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    Before China’s ascension to the WTO in 2001, there was a power struggle between two factions of the CCP, with the Beijing faction wanting to preserve the role of the State while the Shanghai faction scheming to expand the role of Capital in the social life and economic affairs of China. As China had already opened up its economy to foreign investors from Asia and Europe during the 1990s when the USA had imposed sanctions against China after Tiananmen, the U.S. Capitalists saw how US companies were ceding market share to their Asian and European competitors. After Deng passed away in 1997, the Shanghai faction gained the upper hand by striking a deal with U.S. Capitalists to open up China’s market by applying to join the WTO, on the condition that China adopt the USD as its reserve currency. This was the only way the USA could pre-empt the Euro which would have undermined the status of the USD as the world’s dominant reserve currency if China had adopted the Euro after its launch in 1999. That is my guess as to why the US Congress suddenly turned around, dropped US sanctions against China which was granted MFN status the following year in 2000, allowing China to finally join the WTO in 2001. That’s how China ended up piling up trillions of USD by exporting like crazy to the USA during the 2000s. When the GFC struck in 2008, China then used those trillions of USD to help bail out the US Treasury by buying up a trillion dollars worth of T-bills. Then Obama launched his signature ‘Pivot to Asia’ in 2011, in Australia, of all places, which alarmed the PLA amidst the factional infighting within the CCP. That’s when the PLA backed Xi Jinping who came into the picture after his rival Bo Xilai was sacked due to a scandal. Of course, nobody knew at the time who Xi was or what he stood for. Western Capitalists at first thought that Xi was a Maoist diehard who would take China back to the era of Maoist Communism. But they were wrong: Xi is at heart a Chinese Nationalist whose very first economic acts were to promote local Chinese brands, homegrown Chinese companies and indigenous Chinese technologies. Now his brand of Chinese Nationalism has been extended to all aspects of Chinese social life which is now being reorganized around traditional Chinese family-oriented culture.

    By the way, the EU-China ‘Comprehensive Agreement on Investment’ (CAI) was agreed upon in December 30, 2020. This was a historic agreement because China had agreed for the first time to grant EU companies unprecedented access to its vast market, especially its services industries including financial services. Here’s the press release:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2541

    The EU and China have today concluded in principle the negotiations for a Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI). This deal follows a call between Chinese President Xi Jinping and European Commission President von der Leyen, European Council President Charles Michel and German Chancellor Angela Merkel on behalf of the Presidency of the EU Council, as well as French President Emmanuel Macron. China has committed to a greater level of market access for EU investors than ever before, including some new important market openings. China is also making commitments to ensure fair treatment for EU companies so they can compete on a better level playing field in China, including in terms of disciplines for state owned enterprises, transparency of subsidies and rules against the forced transfer of technologies. For the first time, China has also agreed to ambitious provisions on sustainable development, including commitments on forced labour and the ratification of the relevant ILO fundamental Conventions.

    Not only was China decoupling its economy away from the USA but the Chinese were already planning to open up the Chinese economy even more to the EU. That was December 30, 2020. By May 2021, just five months later, the US Deep State would attempt to sabotage the EU-China historic agreement by pressuring the EU to postpone its ratification, over alleged human rights abuses in Xinjiang. Then the Ukraine Crisis happened, which was intended to sabotage the EU-Russia energy trade as proven by the deliberate destruction of the NordStream pipelines.

  243. d dan says:
    @Johann Ricke

    “3800 years ago, the Xia empire, as noted above, spanned 170K sq miles. The current Red empire exceeds 3m sq miles. It did not get there there via a kumbayafest.”

    Historical context, and historical context. I am too lazy to educate silly people who tries to compared territories over span of several thousand years. But for other readers who are interested, for example early Han added a lot of lands in the north and west because they eventually defeated and conquered the northern tribes (xiongnu) who constantly attacked and bullied Han for several centuries.

  244. P.T. says:
    @The_Masterwang

    Obviously, a sufficient amount. Try to pay attention, assuming you are not completely stupid.

  245. @antibeast

    I feel China is still instinctively a hermit kingdom. Historically it has always been. It made sense how it set policies to ensure that no matter what happens, it will still be able to self sustain. From preserving its own resources while importing external resources to produce goods for export. To gathering technology including reverse engineering Western tech to ensure tech self sustainability. I am sure some brilliant bean-counters are calculating the resource reserves and what are needed to substitute them as they are slowly depleted. That’s why it made sense why China became the leader in safe nuclear reactors and planned to install 150 more nuclear power plants in the near future. Or hydro damming, pushing for EV tech, re-greening the deserts or advances in agritech.

    Xi’s 10 year tenure already prepped China to self sustainability and the next 5 years maybe a pivotal moment when China exports its model to the Global South to help them break free from the grip of their former colonial masters. China maybe the franchising its model to them.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  246. @d dan

    Historical context, and historical context. I am too lazy to educate silly people who tries to compared territories over span of several thousand years.

    It is for people who have no clue but google-grasping for straws to prove their points. We can always just go back 60 years to discredit the West, let alone going back thousands of years.

    BTW, Tiananmen is just 20 years apart from the Kent State massacre. Why not the MSM keep harping on Kent State to prove that the US is an authoritarian state.

  247. @mulga mumblebrain

    … it is ‘highly likely’ that a lion will run down a fleeing human, but there is a slim chance that the meal will get away…

    Nice metaphor, but IMO a little skewed.

    1. Not a lion – rather, a huge, exquisitely intelligent, mostly dispassionate but otherwise generally friendly Dragon.

    2. Not a fleeing human – rather, a veritable horde of greedy hybrid misfits approximating something between the most psychotic Orc and Smeagle, with creepy Bill smirking cheekily while holding a pitchfork somewhere in their midst.

    … in which case, there is a slim chance that the savage horde, by cunning and brute force, might overwhelm and slay the Dragon, and thereby open the landscape for rampant unrestricted pillaging, general debauchery and all manner of unconscionable conduct.

    As in Game of Thrones, however, far more likely that the Dragon will eventually get pissed off and just cremate the annoying vermin.

    BTW, here’s a useful perspective on where we’re at and where we’re headed…



    Video Link

  248. @antibeast

    Not only was China decoupling its economy away from the USA but the Chinese were already planning to open up the Chinese economy even more to the EU.

    I think it also explained why Brexit happened. Why UK is the main suspect of sabotaging the Nord Stream pipelines or sending their military personnel to Ukraine. Why QUAD happened, why Australia toed the line and “decoupled” from China, and when QUAD failed, AUKUS came into the picture.

    I don’t see China breaking away from Russia. Russia is the key to getting to China. Not Taiwan. That’s why the Ukrainian war cannot fail for the West. If not, sh&t is going to hit the fan. It is already happening. That’s the reason why Olaf Scholz went to China recently to “renegotiate”, instead got a stern lecturing by Xi.

  249. annamaria says:
    @antibeast

    Thank you for the outline. Though I have never heard that “Malwa opium traders in Bombay” became as wealthy as the “Rothschilds of the East” (the Sassoons). https://guide-to-the-archive.rothschildarchive.org/rothschild-family-collection/depts/related-family-papers/related-family-papers-sassoon-family
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Hong_Kong_and_the_Sassoon_Opium_Wars

    The 99 year British lease on Hong Kong expired in July 1997 and administration of the territory reverted to the mainland government of “The Peoples Republic of China.” The event was given saturation coverage by the English-speaking MSM with nary a mention of how the UK first gained control of Hong Kong. The truth lies buried in the family line of David Sassoon, “The Rothschilds of The Far East,” and their monopoly over the opium trade. Britain won Hong Kong by launching the Opium Wars to give the Sassoons exclusive rights to drug an entire nation. …

    The Manchus resisted and the British Army again attacked in the “Second Opium War fought 1858 – 1860. Palmerston declared that all of interior China must be open for uninterrupted opium traffic. The British suffered a defeat at the Taku Forts in June 1859 when sailors, ordered to seize the forts, were run aground in the mud-choked harbor. Several hundred were killed or captured. An enraged Palmerston said: “We shall teach such a lesson to these perfidious hordes that the name of Europe will hereeafter be a passport of fear.”!

    In October [1859], the British besieged Peking. When the city fell, British commander Lord Elgin, ordered the temples and other sacred shrines in the city sacked and burned to the ground as a show of Britain’s absolute contempt for the Chinese.

    In the new “Peace Treaty” of Oct.25, 1860, the British were assigned rights to vastly expanded opium trade covering seven-eights of China, which brought in over 20 million pounds in 1864 alone. In that year, the Sassoons imported 58,681 chests of opium and by 1880 it had skyrocketed to 105,508 chests making the Sassoons the richest Jews in the world.

    The Sassoons were now licensing opium dens in each British-occupied area with large fees being collected by their Jewish agents. Sassoon would not allow any other race to engage in “the Jews’ business.”

    What is your point? Did perfidious Albion send British soldiers to die for “Malwa opium traders?” No. The British ‘aristocracy’ has been Judaized:

    “the Jews have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual,” L.G. Pine, Editor of Burke’s Peerage …for every Rothschild or Disraeli, there were “10 cases of Jewish connection which are now forgotten. The reason is that in many cases “Jewish origin is concealed.” (218)

    The marriage of Jewish finance and British aristocracy took place literally. Spendthrift gentry married the daughters of rich Jews. Pine is scornful of the British aristocracy: “A man is not usually thought the more of, because he has married a woman for her money…An ancient estate is likely to be sold unless some large sums are found. The sums are found from marriage with a Jewish heiress”

    https://www.jewworldorder.org/englands-jewish-aristocracy/

    Lord Elgin the barbarian:

    • Replies: @antibeast
  250. antibeast says:
    @annamaria

    Yes, I am aware of Jewish influence in Victorian England but the Sassoons were Iraqi Jews based in Bombay not Ashkenazi Jews based in London. Unless they had telepathic powers, I don’t see how they could have influenced the British Parliament to wage the Opium wars against Qing China, unlike the EIC which was a British company or Jardine-Matheson who were British subjects with political access to the British government. The same applies to the Parsis in India who were the principal organizers of the Malwa opium trade based out of Bombay. Their descendants rank as some of the biggest names in Indian business today such as the Tatas who made vast fortunes from the Opium trade. Methinks your ‘guilty-by-association’ reasoning is a silly way to whitewash the sins of the British government by scapegoating the Sassoons just because they’re Jews who weren’t even British subjects. In my view, they were at best opportunistic traders or at worst unscrupulous compradors who took advantage of the British-led Opium wars to profit from the Opium trade, just like the Parsis in India.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Thanks: Simon ton cananaion
  251. @antibeast

    In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that it be stopped. He named the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoons. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for the British Army. The war ended in 1839 with the signing of “The Treaty of Nanking.” This included provisions especially designed to guarantee the Sassoons the right to enslave an entire population with opium. The “peace treaty” included these provisions: “1) Full legalization of the opium trade in China, 2) compensation from the opium stockpiles confiscated by Lin of 2 million pounds, 3) territorial sovereignty for the British Crown over several designated offshore islands.

    Jews Created Opium Trade – Hong Kong and The Sassoon Opium Wars

    http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/asia/news.php?q=1234729944#:~:text=Sassoon%27s%20sons%20were%20busy%20pushing%20this%20mind-destroying%20drug,and%20drug%20addiction%20in%20coastal%20cities%20became%20endemic.

  252. @d dan

    But for other readers who are interested, for example early Han added a lot of lands in the north and west because they eventually defeated and conquered the northern tribes (xiongnu) who constantly attacked and bullied Han for several centuries.

    That’s Retaliation in Kind.

    More than once, I have asked for evidences of the feathered Indians, or “Aborigines”, having invaded Europe and pillaged London or Paris. I got no reply.

    • LOL: showmethereal
  253. @wormssnakesbrain

    More hyperbowl. Some Jewish families ie the Sassoons and Kadoories, were among the greatest opium peddlers in China. Itself suppressed by the ‘antisemitism’ industry, because it shows that Jews can be criminals like everybody else, a truth that is utterly ‘antisemitic’.
    The Forward, following your exaggeration of Jewish power, thinks that Jews ‘…dominated Chinese life for almost 200 years..’, which takes the biscuit for racist arrogance, yet again! Hundreds of millions of Chinese were mere ciphers besides TWO Jewish families. The narcissistic arrogance is beyond parody, and the mirror image of your assertions.

  254. @Johann Ricke

    The present extent of China was more or less established by the Han, 2000 years ago. According to your racist ‘argument’ the USA, UK, Western Europe etc, have no right to exist on their present extent. There was a great deal of bloodshed in China, but mostly internal, the overthrow of dynasties, rebellions, peasant revolts etc, but little territorial expansion, unlike, say, Japan, which stole the Ryukyus in the 1890s, then Korea and vast tracts of China and south-east Asia. Then there is the USA…

    • Agree: Simon ton cananaion
  255. @Brian Damage

    How would Western populations know any of this? In the Western MSM sewer the only stories concerning China allowed MUST be and are negative, increasingly insanely so and plainly driven by race hatred.

  256. @mulga mumblebrain

    Like they haven’t already started doing it. Brainwashing little kids into turning tranny actually makes them the most pathological kind of homosexual.

    I always only find it amusing that the worst insult sodomites and their abettors can ever think of is, “You’re actually one of us/them.” That tells me that even though you scumbags live that lifestyle or support it, deep down you agree with me that homosexualism is appalling.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  257. 迪路 says:
    @Anonymous

    To be honest I totally agree with the necessity of biotechnology. Ethics are also defined by people, defined by people and overturned by people.
    But right now, as far as I know, Jews should be busy finding people like Feng Zhang, the inventor of CRISPR, to develop new technologies to treat their own genetic diseases.
    Jews retained a lot of assets through intermarriage, but it also left them with the curse of genetic diseases.

  258. @Anonymous

    This system of biodefense is meant to guarantee that any further American bioattack against China will only hurt itself more.

    The Art of War states victory is something bestowed upon you by the enemy. You can at best secure yourself against defeat.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  259. antibeast says:
    @wormssnakesbrain

    Jews Created Opium Trade – Hong Kong and The Sassoon Opium Wars

    The Iraqi Jews — Sassoons and Kadoories — began to participate in the Malwa opium trade shortly after their arrival in Bombay when the British government abolished the trading monopoly of the EIC in the 1830s. They and the Parsis did eventually surpass the EIC and Jardine Matheson after the First Opium War allowed them trading privileges in HK, Guangzhou (aka Canton) and other Chinese cities opened up for trade as part of the 1842 Treaty of Nanjing. Like I said, the Sassoons were at best opportunistic traders or at worst unscrupulous compradors who exploited the Opium wars to profit from the Opium trade which was a criminal enterprise with all kinds of nationalities involved including Iraqi Jews, Parsis, British, Portuguese, Chinese, Americans, etc. After the Opium trade was legalized following the Second Opium War in 1860, Chinese opium production began to compete with Indian opium imports so much so that Chinese opium surpassed Indian opium by 1880, just two decades later. By 1907 when the British government finally agreed with Qing China to abolish the Opium trade, Chinese opium production reached 10X the Indian opium production. That’s how big Chinese opium production was by the turn of the 20th century when China accounted for 90% of the world’s opium production just like Afghanistan today. While Chinese opium production declined after 1907 when Qing China agreed to phase out the Opium trade by 1917, the Civil War which followed the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 now pitted Chinese warlords against each other, who revived the Chinese opium trade in the 1920s. Chiang Kai-shek then tried to suppress the Chinese opium trade after defeating the Chinese warlords in the 1926 Northern Expedition but to no avail. By the 1930s, the Japanese started their own opium trade in Manchuria which they seized in 1931 until war broke out in 1937.

    The long story short is that the British in the EIC started the Bengal opium trade out of desperation because they were going bankrupt in India. By the time of the First Opium War, England had already become the richest country in the world by mass producing cotton textiles which were exported to India. The British trading firm Jardine-Matheson finally abandoned the Indian opium trade in 1871 after being outcompeted by the Sassoons and Parsis. The British, Sassoons and Parsis eventually moved onto the cotton textile trade which became much more lucrative after Chinese opium started displacing Indian opium in China by the 1880s. The Chinese merchants then took over the Chinese opium trade which lasted until Mao seized power in 1949.

    • Replies: @wormssnakesbrain
  260. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brian Damage

    Yep.

    And Canada will inevitably just be the northern branch of the Indian subcontinent.

    Mark my words.

  261. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    I feel China is still instinctively a hermit kingdom.

    More like an insular kingdom which disdained foreign influences. But China never was as isolated as Japan was as it became the center of the ancient Silk Road which was interrupted by the Arab conquests of Persia and Central Asia. That’s how the Maritime Silk Road got its start after the Song Dynasty decided to promote overseas trade via the South China Sea.

    From preserving its own resources while importing external resources to produce goods for export. To gathering technology including reverse engineering Western tech to ensure tech self sustainability. I am sure some brilliant bean-counters are calculating the resource reserves and what are needed to substitute them as they are slowly depleted.

    That’s similar to what Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have accomplished by importing natural resources from foreign countries while exporting manufactured products to world markets. That would explain why Taiwan, South Korea and Japan have some of the highest percentage of forest cover in the world, at 58%, 64% and 67%, respectively, despite having some of the world’s highest population densities and highest rates of industrialization.

    Compare that to the UK which only has a forest cover of 13% of its land area, with only 2 years of coal reserves, 3 years of gas reserves and 5 years of oil reserves, made possible by the Industrial Revolution, leading to two centuries of forest exploitation and resource extraction, to finance the British Empire until its sunset in HK in 1997. The UK did not even have an environmental protection agency until 1996 with its first environmental protection act passed in 1974. In contrast, China’s first environmental policy was promulgated in 1983 while its first environmental protection agency was established in 1998, which coincided with the period when the economic reforms unleashed by Deng drove the massive industrialization of China. Despite its increasing exploitation of domestic resources, China’s reforestation drive has been the most successful in the world, increasing its forest cover from 8.6% in 1949 to 23.3% in 2021, compared to its desert area at 28%. In a just a dozen years, China’s green energy drive has promoted its public mass transit system over private autos, thereby driving down consumer demand for imported oil while increasing the lifespan of its oil and gas reserves that could last for 10 years at current rates of domestic consumption.

    All these goes to show that Westerners don’t have any qualms about destroying their natural environment for the sake of financial gain during their Industrial Revolution in contrast to East Asians who preserved their natural wealth by importing natural resources from foreign countries to feed their national industrialization.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  262. annamaria says:
    @antibeast

    Queen Victoria profited from the opium trade. My point was, the Sassoons became the wealthiest Jews in the world with the help of the United Kingdom’s army. There is no “scapegoating:” The Sassoons were a murderous family of poisoners. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Hong_Kong_and_the_Sassoon_Opium_Wars

    According to the 1944 Jewish Encyclopedia: “He employed only Jews in his business, and wherever he sent them he built synagogues and schools for them. He imported whole families of fellow Jews. . . and put them to work.”

    Between 1830 – 1831, the Sassoons trafficked 18,956 chests of opium, earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836 the trade had increased to over 30,000 chests and drug addiction in coastal cities became endemic.

    In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that it be stopped. He named the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate, and it did. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army effectively fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoons. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for them.

    Do you know that Google is blocking information about the Sassons’ role in the Opium wars? But this drivel is allowed: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/masters-of-the-opium-trade-the-fabulous-wealth-of-the-sassoons/
    https://ia800703.us.archive.org/33/items/TheChineseOpiumWarsAndBritishJews/The%20Chinese%20Opium%20Wars%20and%20British%20Jews.pdf

    “There is no doubt about the wanton aggression that marked the beginning of this undeclared war, nor about the singular brutality with which the British soldiers sacked peaceful [Chinese] cities, burned public buildings, looted, plundered and murdered . . . There was much ruthless bayoneting. Sacred temple quarters were soiled, exquisite wood carvings were used for campfires, And British soldiers watched old men, women, and even children cutting each other’s throats in utter despair, or drowning themselves…”

    The famous Sassoon family, probably the most influential Jewish family in England today and one of the few intimate with the last three generations of the Royal Family, established their wealth and power in the Opium Wars. … Most of the immense Sassoon fortune, in fact, had been made in the opium trade. They had shipped the precious drug from India to Shanghai, and they had cleared millions of pounds. … They demanded not only more trade on terms more ad­vantageous to themselves, but demanded even a vicious con­traband trade.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  263. antibeast says:
    @annamaria

    Your mistake is to conflate the economics of the opium trade with its politics which was underpinned by Western colonialism in Asia. The Sassoons alone neither could nor would have been able to establish the colonial structures to support what Carl A. Trocki calls the ‘political economy of the opium trade’ which underwrote the financially insolvent EIC in India as well as contribute the major if not the principal source of tax revenues to the colonial economies of the British, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese in Asia. The private-sector players in the opium trade were a multinational and polyglot group — Sassoons and the Parsis in Bombay, Portuguese in Goa and Macau, Chinese in Southeast Asia, British in Calcutta and Canton, Burmese in Burma, Thais in Siam — all of whom became part of the ‘political economy of the opium trade’ which underwrote the superstructure of Western colonialism in Asia. These two phenomena — the opium trade and Western colonialism — are inextricably linked together, forming a ‘political economy’ in Asia, just as the African slave trade underwrote Western colonialism in the Americas. By the way, the Chinese did become the biggest players in the opium trade after it was legalized following the Second Opium War. Chinese opium production grew fast thereafter and reached 10x the Indian opium production in 1907. That’s why the British agreed with the Qing to phase out the opium trade that year because Indian opium simply couldn’t compete against Chinese opium in Chinese market.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  264. @antibeast

    The British Empire was financed by Imperial loot, particularly the TRILLIONS extracted from India, at the cost of MILLIONS of lives. Watching the UK’s current travails one is reminded that karma is a bitch.

  265. @antibeast

    also for mulga .

    The Manchus resisted and the British Army again attacked in the “Second Opium War fought 1858 – 1860. Palmerston declared that all of interior China must be open for uninterrupted opium traffic. The British suffered a defeat at the Taku Forts in June 1859 when sailors, ordered to seize the forts, were run aground in the mud-choked harbor. Several hundred were killed or captured. An enraged Palmerston said: “We shall teach such a lesson to these perfidious hordes that the name of Europe will hereeafter be a passport of fear.”
    In October, the British besieged Peking. When the city fell, British commander Lord Elgin, ordered the temples and other sacred shrines in the city sacked and burned to the ground as a show of Britain’s absolute comtempt for the Chinese. In the new “Peace Treaty” of Oct.25, 1860, the British were assigned rights to vastly expanded opium trade covering seven-eights of China, which brought in over 20 million pounds in 1864 alone. In that year, the Sassoons imported 58,681 chests of opium and by 1880 it had skyrocketed to 105,508 chests making the Sassoons the richest Jews in the world. England was given the Hong Kong peninsula as a colony and large sections of Amoy, Canton, Foochow, Ningpo and Shanghai. The Sassoons were now licensing opium dens in each British occupied area with large fees being collected by their Jewish agents. Sassoon would not allow any other race to engage in “the Jews’ business.”

    again:

    http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/asia/news.php?q=1234729944#:~:text=Sassoon%27s%20sons%20were%20busy%20pushing%20this%20mind-destroying%20drug,and%20drug%20addiction%20in%20coastal%20cities%20became%20endemic

  266. annamaria says:
    @antibeast

    Thank you for the detailed comment.
    You wrote, “These two phenomena — the opium trade and Western colonialism — are inextricably linked together, forming a ‘political economy’ in Asia…”

    The murderous Sassoons family of opium traders became very influential in the UK. Did not this reinforce a ‘political economy’ of Jews in Europe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family

    The Sassoon family, known as “Rothschilds of the East” due to the immense wealth they accumulated in finance and trade, are a family of Baghdadi Jewish descent. … From the 18th century, the Sassoons were one of the wealthiest families in the world, with a corporate empire spanning the entire continent of Asia.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2012-11-07/ty-article/1864-tycoon-david-sassoon-dies/0000017f-e919-df2c-a1ff-ff5929f30000

    The trading empire he [David Sassoon] created spanned the globe, from what is now Mumbai on the western coast of India, via Shanghai and Hong Kong in China, all the way to London, England. It dominated world commerce in a number of commodities – most significantly opium – over the second half of the 19th century. Plus, the characteristic absence of decency.

    His son Albert Abdullah moved to England, where he married into the Rothschild family and was elected to Parliament on the Conservative party’s ticket. Another son, Sassoon David Sassoon, was the father of Rachel Sassoon Beer, who became the owner and editor of the Sunday Times.

    Jews are never shy to quetch about “pogroms & holobiz.” However, the facts of world history tell about Jewish sadism and parasitism on an immense scale. Are not Sassoons owing the Chinese people, whom the Sassoons poisoned and murdered in great numbers?

    World’s oldest Jewish trust, the Sassoon Family Continuation Trust, will transfer $100 billion in assets to the United States. … the funds will be transferred mostly from Switzerland, as well as from some other international financial institutions around the world.

    The Trust proudly honors and celebrates Orthodox Judaism and is committed to the welfare of the United States and the economic and physical security of Israel. The trust’s sole beneficiary is David E. Sassoon, grandson of Eli Nissim Sassoon and executive chairman of J. Sassoon Group, a Washington, DC-based private equity and investment banking firm.

    Looks and sounds like bloody money. Plus, the characteristic absence of decency.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  267. Zane says:
    @Brian Damage

    China’s GDP is not $18 trillion.

  268. antibeast says:
    @annamaria

    The murderous Sassoons family of opium traders became very influential in the UK. Did not this reinforce a ‘political economy’ of Jews in Europe?

    Yes, I agree. They either bought or married their way into the Western Oligarchy but that’s a Western problem not an Asian issue. Here’s what the Sassoons looked like when they moved from Baghdad to Bombay:

    They don’t look anything like Westerners at all but appeared to be and behaved very much like the other Orientals who participated in and profited from the opium trade in Asia. The Sassoons were neither the earliest nor the biggest traders of opium in Asia; the Parsis were the pioneers in India while the Chinese became the biggest merchants of opium in China and Southeast Asia. By the late 19th century, the Sassoons and the Parsis had dropped out of the Indian opium trade altogether, unable to compete against Chinese opium grown in China. That’s why the British diverted Indian opium from China to Southeast Asia which remained the biggest tax revenue contributor to their British Raj in India as well as to their British colonies in Burma, Malaya and Singapore until the end of WWII.

    During the first half of the 20th century, the rise of the Chinese opium trade underpinned the political economy of KMT gangster-Capitalism which ruled Republican China until their defeat after the Chinese Civil War in 1949. That’s the reason why Chiang Kai-shek could not get rid of the Chinese opium trade because the biggest profiteers were his own KMT gangster-Capitalists who promptly lost to the CCP.

    • Thanks: JR Foley
  269. No chance?
    “The crisis now unfolding, however, is entirely different to the 1970s in one crucial respect… The 1970s crisis was largely artificial. When all is said and done, the oil shock was nothing more than the emerging OPEC cartel asserting its newfound leverage following the peak of continental US oil production. There was no shortage of oil any more than the three-day-week had been caused by coal shortages. What they did, perhaps, give us a glimpse of was what might happen in the event that our economies depleted our fossil fuel reserves before we had found a more versatile and energy-dense alternative. . . . That system has been on the life-support of quantitative easing and near zero interest rates ever since. Indeed, so perilous a state has the system been in since 2008, it was essential that the people who claim to be our leaders avoid doing anything so foolish as to lockdown the economy or launch an undeclared economic war on one of the world’s biggest commodity exporters . . .
    And this is why the crisis we are beginning to experience will make the 1970s look like a golden age of peace and tranquility. . . . The sad reality though, is that our leaders – at least within the western empire – have bought into a vision of the future which cannot work without some new and yet-to-be-discovered high-density energy source (which rules out all of the so-called green technologies whose main purpose is to concentrate relatively weak and diffuse energy sources). . . . Even as we struggle to reimagine the 1970s in an attempt to understand the current situation, the only people on Earth today who can even begin to imagine the economic and social horrors that await western populations are the survivors of the 1980s famine in Ethiopia, the hyperinflation in 1990s Zimbabwe, or, ironically, the Russians who survived the collapse of the Soviet Union.”

    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2022/07/01/bigger-than-you-can-imagine/

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  270. @antibeast

    Great comment. Also of note – Germany has basically been given the access the EU wanted. Which dovetails into the whole “sabotage German relations with Russia and China”

  271. @The_Masterwang

    Yes westerners don’t seem to understand when Xi got up and said China declared war on Covid what it really meant. He wasn’t some politician on the campaign trail. It meant taking serious societal action. Down to China examining even food imported for the virus. China has been struck by many viruses in recent times from pork to poultry. China does not believe it is all natural occurrence. The west doesn’t get it. China sees itself as being at war. When you are at war you give up certain conveniences you are used to.

  272. eps says:

    Preposterous. China is on the brink of population collapse.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  273. What a fucking stupid bullshit, like everything coming from degenerated moronic Easterners. The ONLY thing which is TRUE is that CHINA is a THREAT which needs to be dealt with accordingly: KEEP CHINA OUT OF THE WEST i.e., no more sale of strategic industries & infrastructure and protection of raw material supply (chains)!!!

  274. @James Charles

    Another look at this starting from the 1970s.

    After Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard, it began to slowly unravel. Ushered in the Wall Street 80s where plenty of cash “miraculously appeared” to boost the equity market. The fall of USSR gave a it another boost which lasted for 10 years. The roaring 90s. Bill Clinton lucked out.

    By 2000, recession hit the US which eventually led to the 2008 financial crisis. People were spending money that they don’t have. 2010s, Obama’s regime printed unprecedented amount of money to pump cash into the economy backed by China and other countries purchasing T-Bills. This led to a glut of cash pouring into Wall Street. The Decade of the Bull. The Dow went from 10,428 at the beginning of 2010 to 28,645 in 2019. A gain of 160% in 10 years. Averaged to 16% a year while the US GDP growth rate averaged at about 2.5% per year during that time.

    The manufacturing base, the flyover states, the middle classes were hollowed out which led to reactionary Trump, who started to blame China and setting tariffs. This led to a chain of events which made the situation worse. In come Biden and printed more money. More than what was printed in the history of quantitative easing within a short span of time. This time no external buyers other than the usual allies are buying the T-Bills. The USD is no longer trusted and many countries are getting off the US dollar reserve bandwagon.

    As of now, the US external debt is at 24 trillion. Internal debt can be restructured through policy changes but external debts are external debts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

    Peter Schiff in the video link below explains it very clearly the mechanism of the whole thing.

  275. @Wishmaster

    too late.

    Better learn to speak Chinese instead.

  276. @eps

    Not to worry. Even if China’s population halved, it would still be double that of the USA.

  277. @Brian Damage

    What Schiff seems not to appreciate is that the USA, and the world, do not have ‘decades’ left. Why almost everyone wishes to simply ignore or deny global ecological collapse is really quite curious. Funny too, in a schadenfreude sort of manner.

  278. @Wishmaster

    Wankmaster, you racists are FINISHED. Why do you want to take us ALL with you in your Nutterdamerung? It’s like the situation here in Austfailia, where the Sinophobe racist psychopaths are in the latest FRENZY, over Austfailians possibly training PLA air-men. That this would aid mutual understanding, lower tensions, and give US heaps of intelligence regarding the Chinese military, does not occur to these scum, in the throes, as ever, of RABID race hatred.

  279. TMY says:

    Your premise is America will win. What if it loses the war it instigates.

  280. profnasty says:
    @dodge city pete

    “Canada…become communist.”
    Truer words never said, Petesan.

  281. @Wishmaster

    I bet you’re the ones getting DEALT WITH.

  282. Sterplaz says:
    @showmethereal

    Sorry for the late reply.

    As for China trading with over 100 nations …… well, yeah. That would be easy for China after they (are allowed by corrupt American politicians to) decimate American manufacturing with predatory priced wares. Much of the world, including a deindustrialized America, goes to the Chinese. So, again, China is stronger not (totally) due their own efforts but in some way/degree to America.

    I never said only America has money in their pockets, and the rest of the world is poor. Strawman argument. But there is poverty in much of South America, definitely in the Muslim world and Africa. Those areas have a better standard of living due to western (much of that American) financial help with food supplies, sanitation and medical care. This frees up, to some degree, their individuals to buy Chinese consumer products. Europe doesn’t pay for all their defense; again, giving them some amount of ability to buy consumer products from China.

    China’s R&D is largely concerned with the stealing and reverse engineering of western/American technology. China is notorious for intellectual theft. China would not amount to much of a technology leader without it.

    So again, China would not be so strong without benefitting from America.

  283. Sterplaz says:
    @antibeast

    Sorry for the late reply.

    Those are just more statistics. And as said before, no telling where, and more importantly from whom, it is coming from. Economics is not a science, using math as some sort of proof. Economics is a philosophy, needing, mainly if not entirely, words to elucidate/illuminate it. Certainly these days Economics is claimed by academia to be science. But originally, a century or more ago, it was “economic philosophy.” Many of academicians today are essentially Leftist politicians masquerading as academics, who have purposefully dropped the philosophy off of “economic philosophy” in order to break in the public’s mind any connection between the two.

    China benefits, past and present, from America. Directly from selling their cheaper (quality and price) wares here in America and indirectly from decimating American manufacturing so that the rest of the world has to go to China for many items

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  284. During the founding of the U.S., and its formation, it was decreed from its founders that it would be a nation that would become the conqueror of the world. Obviously I am unable to offer any substantial proof of my assertion but have received this information from an ancient, and controversial source. I can only point out the many wars initiated, and participated in, that is the effect of this warmongering policy placed at its inception. A case of cause and effect, which is a basic universal law.

  285. I think the chart is an old one. Hasn’t China already eclipsed the USA in productivity? I think so. We’re playing catchup and losing.

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  286. annamaria says:
    @Sterplaz

    Your post is filled with slanderous statements:

    1. American manufacturing was decimated by American corporations. Send your grievances to the Clintons and their sponsors from multinational fascist mega-corporations.
    2. The US/Israel are the worse thieves stealing modern technologies. When talmudists cannon compete, they invent “sanctions.”
    3. China has invested enormous resources in the education of its best and brightest children and teenagers. What has the US invested in during the last 50 years?

    “Team USA, the winner of the 59th International Mathematical Olympiad:”
    All winners are Asians.

    https://static.india.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Untitled-design-114.jpg?impolicy=Medium_Widthonly&w=700&h=467

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fconnection.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2018%2F07%2F23%2FV071818-728cropadj_t670.JPG%3Fb3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=43575939e134bd59e32529cc143953a221d312231fb5cb1d388eb2c7b36ca221&ipo=images

    “United States Physics Team Finishes 5th in 50th IPhO”
    All winners are Asians:
    The country was hollowed out by Bankers and treasonous mega-corporations.

  287. @Peter Akuleyev

    Quality nations don’t need large population numbers. In fact, past a certain point the exponential numbers are a detriment. Non-quality nations need quantity because they have nothing else to offer but shear numbers and brute force.

  288. @Sterplaz

    So again, China would not be so strong without benefitting from America.

    With respect, I disagree.
    From the year 1AD to 1850, the worlds two largest economies have always been that of China and India.
    The Western dominance of the last 200 years was an anomaly, one that is coming to an end naturally.

    China’s strength is a natural thing, it does not depend on the USA’s benevolence. It will return despite the USA.

  289. @Sterplaz

    Directly from selling their cheaper (quality and price) wares here in America

    Only 17% of China’s exports go to the USA.
    Europe takes 20%, more than the USA.
    ASEAN (Southeast Asia), just one region of Asia takes more than Europe.
    Asia as a whole takes 46% of China’s exports.

    Please verify for yourself the above facts.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  290. JR Foley says:
    @Daniel H

    5,000,000 Native Peoples lived in what today is Lower 48 United States and they were reduced to —267,000? Stop worrying about China and focus on what happened in USA and while you are at it bring your troops home —you have caused enough trouble internationally.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  291. JR Foley says:
    @the grand wazoo

    China Robotics today is greater than the rest of the world combined.

  292. @Sterplaz

    Another moronic, pig ignorant, racist, whistling past the grave-yard. And it reaches a nadir of deranged viciousness in claiming that Latin America, Africa and the Moslem world, ALL devastated by Western, particularly US, aggression and exploitation, have a better standard of living thanks to US ‘generosity’. A mind that thinks that, in the face of all the evidence, is psychopathic, but perhaps we can hope that it is simply lying.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  293. @mulga mumblebrain

    Another moronic, pig ignorant, racist, whistling past the grave-yard. And it reaches a nadir of deranged viciousness in claiming that Latin America, Africa and the Moslem world, ALL devastated by Western, particularly US, aggression and exploitation, have a better standard of living thanks to US ‘generosity’. A mind that thinks that, in the face of all the evidence, is psychopathic, but perhaps we can hope that it is simply lying.

    I stopped replying to this moron. It is a waste of time. Same with the other fella Old Brown Fool. They live in their own reality. Never really been anywhere, just googling anything that might fit their narratives. Every single one of them started with flawed premises based on their own bias, stick their ground, never willing to learn despite being presented with clear eyed facts. I travel quite a bit and been to all the places I posted about here. I even speak most of the languages (conversational or fluent) of those places. Even that, I still stay objective without veering into a biased journey of delusional fantasy .

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  294. @littlereddot

    Only 17% of China’s exports go to the USA.
    Europe takes 20%, more than the USA.
    ASEAN (Southeast Asia), just one region of Asia takes more than Europe.
    Asia as a whole takes 46% of China’s exports.

    Please verify for yourself the above facts.

    And out all that exports, they only comprised of 18% of GDP. Unlike what that poster claimed, China is not export dependent. And China does not make cheap goods. At least not in the last 10 years. This guy don’t even have to spend money to travel. Just go to the local Best Buy. How many brands can he identify? ASEAN bought most of the products which are just as good and at very competitive prices. I know in ASEAN, pretty much most of the cellphones are Chinese. Xiaomi, Oppo, OnePlus.

    Many stuff from Aliexpress and in extension, Amazon, are made by small > mid size mom & pop entrepreneurs. Kudos to them for being hardworking and entrepreneurial. There are many companies in China that make components and parts only, to cater to Western, Chinese and other other company needs and specifications. These mom&pops bought them too, usually the working rejects, surpluses, and/or having those companies make cheap components for them at lower prices. Assemble their own products and market them with amateurish branding and bad English manuals. Good for them. Working hard and striving for success. Nothing wrong with that.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  295. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Brian Damage

    As of now, the US external debt is at 24 trillion. Internal debt can be restructured through policy changes but external debts are external debts.

    You have to compare that figure to the U.S.’s total (national) wealth, which is estimated to be about $145 trillion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth

    [MORE]

    The external debt to total (national) wealth ratio for the U.S. is, therefore, only about 0.17 or ~17% (similar to Japan), and much better than Germany’s, for example, which is more than double that at about ~38%.

    France and the U.K. have even higher external debt to total (national) wealth ratios of 43% and 56%, respectively.

    This time no external buyers other than the usual allies are buying the T-Bills.

    Foreigners are forced to sell their U.S. financial assets during times of financial turmoil and distress in order to prop up their currencies versus the U.S. Dollar. Here a lengthy comment of mine on that very topic from a few months ago:

    Sixty years ago, Japanese sold Tbills to pay off Japanese banks’ dollar shortfall. This is still what happens today.https://www.unz.com/article/economists-and-financial-analysts-are-not-the-brightest-fish-in-the-sewer-system/?showcomments#comment-5457378

    As long as the Federal Reserve doesn’t cave/capitulate and keeps the FED funds rate at around or even above the rate of inflation, T-Bills are a great or even better (because more liquid) alternative to Gold, and highly sought after:

    Cash as an Inflation Hedge: Revisited
    Jun 23, 2022
    https://www.morningstar.com/articles/1099412/cash-as-an-inflation-hedge-revisited or https://archive.ph/HcPBn

    My claim was as follows: The United States had suffered three inflationary periods during the previous century. The first occurred during and after World War II. Cash—meaning Treasury bills or other short high-quality debt, rather than currency stuffed under a mattress—performed disastrously because the Federal Reserve steadfastly kept short-term interest rates near zero.

    Image source: https://archive.ph/7b4CX

    That episode demonstrated that high inflation accompanied by low payouts is a terrible investment. (You probably guessed that already.) The experience was, however, anomalous. When inflation returned in the mid-’60s, the Fed altered its tactics by raising short-term rates. Cash was therefore able to record a modest real gain. (All calculations in today’s column adjust for the effect of inflation. For further information on the computations, see the End Note.) Although cash trailed both stocks and intermediate bonds, it at least avoided long bonds’ fate.

    When inflation increased further, in the early ‘70s, cash became the relative star. True, it lost some purchasing power through the period, but it handily bested stocks and bonds. Better a haircut than a scalping.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  296. @JR Foley

    Five million is a very low estimate. Current estimates seem to be a low projection of ten million, rising to a high of one hundred million with the average estimate around fifty million. Any way, a very big genocide. And irrefutable UNLIKE the villainous LIES concerning the Tibetans and Uighurs.

  297. @FKA Max

    You have to compare that figure to the U.S.’s total (national) wealth, which is estimated to be about $145 trillion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth

    Found another stats that suits your narrative? If you divide the national wealth per capita, it is close to GDP per capita. No surprise here. Also, with quantitative easing (Money printing), national wealth is the worse stats to use. I have yet to see a finance guy using national wealth as a measure of economic health. Take away overpriced real estate and equity prices, that national wealth is back to reality.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  298. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Brian Damage

    Also, with quantitative easing (Money printing), national wealth is the worse stats to use. I have yet to see a finance guy using national wealth as a measure of economic health. Take away overpriced real estate and equity prices, that national wealth is back to reality.

    The same applies to all other countries and often to a greater extent than to the U.S.:

    [MORE]

    Atlantic Council Global QE Tracker
    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/global-qe-tracker/ or https://archive.ph/mY2TT

    Especially regarding real estate overvaluation/bubbles China is actually the worst “offender”, and the U.S. is one of the relatively least overvalued/”bubbly” real estate markets globally (among highly industrialized and/or advanced nations):

    UBS Global Real Estate Bubble Index 2022
    https://www.ubs.com/global/en/wealth-management/insights/2022/global-real-estate-bubble-index.html or https://archive.ph/wAMc3

    Plus, the U.S. has the following going for it:

    The United States has more miles of navigable waterways then the rest of the planet put together,” he added.

    When it comes to products that have relatively low value per weight, transport is the most important factor determining success, Zeihan said. Coupled with the vast arable land available in the U.S., the combo is unbeatable. The greater Midwest out produces the next two agricultural zones put together, Zeihan pointed out, and the country’s river system keeps costs down, ensuring U.S. dominance worldwide.

    Source: https://www.financialsense.com/contributors/peter-zeihan/america-likely-remain-global-superpower or https://archive.ph/sd7qs

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  299. @Brian Damage

    Yup. While these people are busy dismissing China as a producer of “cheap goods”, they forget that China’s manufacturing industry is supporting their standard of living.

    Can they imagine walking at Walmart and not be able to afford 90% of the stuff there?

    I would really love a time machine to travel to 10 years in the future and see if these people were nostalgic for the good old days where they good afford stuff made in China.

  300. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    The United States has more miles of navigable waterways th[a]n the rest of the planet put together […] Coupled with the vast arable land available in the U.S., the combo is unbeatable.

    Addendum:

    [MORE]

    The envy and engine of the world and of humanity…

    Drought disrupts “irreplaceable” Mississippi River shipping corridor
    October 27, 2022
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drought-mississippi-river-shipping-corridor/ or https://archive.ph/Paj7R
    One-twelfth of the world’s population eats something that emanates from the Mississippi River Basin. Forty percent of the global food supply starts at the Mississippi River Basin. So this is a serious issue about who’s going to feed the world if America can’t get its agriculture products out.

    It’s absolutely a water super highway,” Rohde said. “This is irreplaceable. We have got to keep commerce moving.”

  301. The United States has more miles of navigable waterways th[a]n the rest of the planet put together […] Coupled with the vast arable land available in the U.S., the combo is unbeatable.

    What a great place to grow food for the teeming industrial cities of Asia.

  302. FifthDim says:
    @dodge city pete

    Latinos leaving their shitholes entering the south border, Chinese human drones entering at Canada’s west coast, and middle-eastern’s and sub-saharian ### with an IQ of 20 for learning but an IQ of 120 at swindling and deceiving entering at Canada’s Atlantic ports. WW III is game over, there is no need nuking North America.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  303. FKA Max says: • Website
    @littlereddot

    The point/argument is mostly about transportation efficiencies and savings within the U.S. itself, that keep transportation, fuel, infrastructure and personnel costs lower than for any other country in the world, which in turn gives the U.S. a huge, geographical, competitive economic advantage, and adds significantly and permanently (unless the Mississippi river(s) system runs dry) to the total (national) wealth of the United States. All of that coupled with the biggest consumer market globally, now energy/fossil fuel independence due to the recent “shale revolution”, and one of the most productive agricultural lands and sectors in the world, makes the United States extremely economically and financially self-sufficient, and is the reason why the U.S. and by extension the U.S. Dollar and T-Bills are considered to be a “safe haven” by investors in times of economic turmoil:

    Inland waterways of the United States
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_waterways_of_the_United_States

    A principal value of the inland waterways is their ability to efficiently convey large volumes of bulk commodities moving long distances. […] If the cargo transported on the inland waterways each year had to be moved by another mode, it would take an additional 6.3 million rail cars or 25.2 million trucks to carry the load. […] cargo moves at an average transportation savings of $10.67 per ton over the cost of shipping by alternative modes.

  304. @FKA Max

    Yes, and these natural advantages of the USA will translate to agricultural production. Such production will produce massive surpluses.

    What is to be done with the surplus agricultural production?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  305. @FKA Max

    The Mississippi IS running dry, I would hazard a guess that China is now a bigger consumer market than the USA, and fracking is a boondoggle that never made a red farthing, and piled up huge debt, while rapidly depleting the ‘resource’. Agriculture is an undeniable strength, but the rest has been squandered through greed and no concern for the future.

  306. @FifthDim

    Better a ‘human drone’ than a human shit, like you. Racist shit, if I might elaborate.

  307. @littlereddot

    A very gross exaggeration. Just adding Russia and China’s navigable waterways, not even including Brazil et al, renders that assertion incorrect. But the porcine Yankee psychopathology requires being ‘Number One’ in everything-even when they are not.

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  308. FKA Max says: • Website
    @littlereddot

    The issue with sharing too much/many of America’s agricultural, technological, etc. surpluses and advances with the rest of the world is the human overpopulation problem and resultant environmental degradation, exploitation and generally political instability, etc., which has been a national security concern for the U.S. “Deep State” since the early 1970s especially, and has put it at odds with the Vatican: https://archive.ph/mvUvJ
    This is actually an issue that China cooperated with the U.S. on (e.g. “One Child Policy”), and why the U.S. was originally willing to support China in its economic development, etc.:
    National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests (NSSM200), also known as the “Kissinger Report”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200
    Under the administration of President Richard Nixon during the Cold War, his government adopted an agenda of enforcing human population control in order to prevent the global spread of communism

  309. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @littlereddot

    Understand the difference:

    all | ôl |
    predeterminer, determiner & pronoun
    used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing: [as predeterminer]
    adverb
    1 used for emphasis.
    • completely

    disproportionate | ˌdisprəˈpôrSH(ə)nət |
    adjective
    too large or too small in comparison with something else

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  310. @Al Liguori

    Do you mean my reference to “all powerful jews”?

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