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The screenshot captured from a video released by Yemen’s Houthi group on June 26, 2024 shows that a hypersonic missile is launched from an undisclosed desert area in Yemen. Xinhua

Is this Iran’s revenge?

Is this how Iran pays-back Israel for bombing its consulate in Damascus in late March; by providing the Houthis with hypersonic missiles to fight the “Great Satan”?

On June 26, Yemen’s Houthi rebels launched an attack on a commercial ship in the Arabian Sea using a long-range, solid-fuel hypersonic ballistic missile. It was the first time the group had used the state-of-the-art missile in its military operations. The significance of the development cannot be overstated. Hypersonic missiles—which feature technological advances that are still unavailable in the West—are more accurate, harder to shoot down, and travel longer distances than earlier models. These unique, cutting-edge weapons are a force-multiplier that give the Houthis a decided advantage in future attacks in the Red Sea and beyond. They will allow the Houthis to tighten their grip on commercial traffic while putting US warships at greater risk. They will also significantly improve the Houthis chances of prevailing in their war with the United States and its coalition partners. This is from an article at the Maritime Executive:

The Houthis…. are asserting that they have launched for the first time a hypersonic missile which was used to target an MSC containership far out in the Gulf of Aden….

For the first time, the identity of the missile that targeted the… MSC Sarah V in the Arabian Sea,” was being revealed according to a posting by the Houthi spokesperson Yahya Saree. “It is a locally made hypersonic missile that possesses advanced technology, is accurate in hitting, and reaches long ranges.”…

Media reports in March said the Houthis had begun manufacturing their hypersonic missile… capable of reaching Mach 8. The reports said it would be used to threaten shipping further into the Indian Ocean. Video: Houthis Claim First Launch of Hypersonic Missile Targeting MSC Ship, Maritime Executive

First of all, the Houthis do not have advanced missile production facilities, so whatever hybrid ballistic missile they are presently using in their military operations, they did not manufacture it themselves.

Secondly, experts suggest that the missile that was fired in the Arabian Sea incident earlier in the week was probably a version of the Iranian-made Fattah-1, which can travel at speeds of up to Mach 3 or three times the speed of sound. The Fattah-1 represents a significant upgrade from the missiles the Houthis have been using, but they do not pose the same grave threat to commercial shipping as advanced, cutting edge hypersonic ballistic missiles. State-of-the-art solid-fuel hypersonic missiles are in a class of their own. Some of them travel at speeds that exceed Mach 5 and are highly maneuverable and able to change course during flight. Here’s some background:

The ability to launch highly maneuverable weapons at hypersonic speeds gives any country a considerable advantage, because such weapons can evade just about any defense system currently in use.

“It doesn’t matter what the threat is. If you can’t see it, you can’t defend against it,” General John Hyten, the former vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an audience in Washington in January 2020.

As the commander of U.S. Strategic Command in 2018, Hyten said, “We don’t have any defense that could deny the deployment of such a weapon against us. … Our defense is deterrent capability.” What Are Hypersonic Weapons and Who Has Them?, VOA

Bottom line: If the Houthis had these “advanced” weapons at their disposal, the Red Sea would be littered with smoldering US warships headed for Davy Jones locker. But that isn’t the case, so we have to assume that—who ever is supplying the Houthis—is not yet prepared to give them their top-of-the-line hypersonic missiles. Here’s more from an article at Business Insider:

Markus Schiller, director of ST Analytics, a Munich-based consulting firm that researches missiles and space technology, told Business Insider that the missile was likely designed in Iran.

“Definitely something from the Iranian Fattah family of missiles, which date back to the 1990s and were continuously advanced since then,” Schiller said. Tehran has recently touted the latest versions of its Fattah missiles as hypersonic.,,, Houthi rebels say they’ve fired a new ‘homemade hypersonic missile,’ posting footage of its launch at a civilian ship, Business Insider

It’s actually better that the Houthis do NOT have the best ballistic missiles available. After all, the point of their blockade is not to obliterate US warships and kill thousands of people, but to persuade Israel to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza by applying pressure to the Israeli economy. In truth, the success of the Houthi strategy is largely attributable to the fact that it has been mostly peaceful which is why their cause has garnered support from people around the world. If they change their MO and start blowing ships out of the water right-and-left, popular support will vanish overnight. This is from an article at Foreign Policy:

…..eight months on, the disruption to shipping has suddenly gotten a lot worse. In late June, Houthi attacks sank a ship—the second since they began their attacks—and damaged another. The list of attempted and successful attacks is a year-to-date litany; U.S. Central Command’s public messaging is a near-daily drumbeat of reports of U.S. vessels swatting away drones, missiles, and uncrewed surface vessels. The Houthis, who’ve used anti-ship missiles to great effect, are now increasingly resorting to those surface drones, including the so-called Houthi’s Blowfish….

The deployments, and constant interceptions, have eaten into the U.S. Navy’s own magazines. Congressional aides said the United States isn’t producing nearly enough of the standard air defense missiles used by U.S. escort ships in the Red Sea to shoot down Houthi drones and missiles. “As long as the burn rate remains as precipitously high as it’s been over there, we’re in a bit more of a precarious position,” one aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk candidly about U.S. munitions shortfalls. Why Can’t the U.S. Navy and Its Allies Stop the Houthis?, Foreign Policy

You can sense the frustration in the author’s analysis, and you can understand why. Washington does not want to get bogged-down the Red Sea fighting an insurgent group that poses no national security threat to the US. No. Nor does Biden want to commit more resources or ground troops to an effort that does not advance America’s broader geopolitical ambition of rolling-back Russia’s operation in Ukraine or containing China. In short, the fracas in the Red Sea is generally perceived to be a nuisance that US foreign policy honchos wish would just “go away”. But instead of going away, it’s getting worse, which is forcing Biden to make choices he doesn’t want to make. This is from an article at gCaptain:

A naval force deployed by the European Union to protect vessels in the Red Sea needs to more than double in size because of escalating attacks by Iran-backed Houthi rebels, the head of the operation said.

Four EU vessels have been patrolling the waters off the coast of Yemen since February. In that time, they’ve provided “close assistance” to 164 ships, shot down more than a dozen unmanned aerial vehicles and destroyed four anti-ship ballistics missiles, Rear Admiral Vasileios Gryparis said in an interview on Wednesday.

The Yemen-based Houthis … has roiled global shipping, forcing many vessels to sail thousands of miles around southern Africa instead — despite the EU operation and US and UK bombing that began in January….

“There are daily about 40 or 50 ships going up and down the strait so it needs a significant amount of ships to be able to provide this close protection,” he said. “There are cases where we are not able to provide this close protection but we try and cope with the volume.”….

US and UK bombing campaigns have failed to stop the attacks and instead led to vessels associated with the two countries being targeted more often. The Houthis have warned of an expanded operation to potentially attack ships in the Mediterranean Sea…

“We don’t believe that hitting the Houthis might solve the problem,” he said. “Some other countries tried similar actions some years ago and some other countries still do and we see that it is not contributing to the solution to the problem.” Fending Off Houthis Requires Double the Fleet, EU Force Says, gCaptain

Think about what the author is saying: He’s saying that the current approach is not working so we should double-down on the same strategy. Isn’t that the definition of insanity?

What’s clear is that the US has just one tool in its foreign policy toolkit: military force. And when that tool proves ineffective, then more force is applied. We need to understand how this is going to impact the outcome of the current stand-off in the Red Sea where Uncle Sam is beating his head against a rock without achieving anything. Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel into lifting the siege of Gaza?

The question policymakers should be asking themselves is fairly obvious: Is there a military solution to this problem?

The answer is “No”. Nor is there a clearly defined strategic objective or exit strategy, both of which were ignored in the rush to war and the determination of foreign policy mandarins to implement their favorite operational theory: “Shoot first and ask questions later.” As a result, the US is bogged down in another pointless conflagration that cannot be won by conventional means. This is from Business Insider:

The Houthis have scored a string of successful hits in recent weeks on commercial vessels — even sinking one of them — and demonstrated their ability to effectively strike targets with drone boats, signaling that they’re getting smarter with their attacks….

Some of the incidents have also revealed dangerous new tactics. Most notably, on June 12, the Houthis struck a commercial vessel in the Red Sea with an explosive-laden drone boat for the first time since they began attacking merchant shipping in November….

The initial drone boat attack on the commercial bulk carrier MV Tutor caused flooding and damage to the engine room. Hours later, a Houthi missile hit the ship. The double-tap strike forced the crew to abandon the vessel, and it eventually sank…

The same week, the Houthis fired two anti-ship missiles, hitting the MV Verbena in the Gulf of Aden. Not even 24 hours later, the bulk cargo carrier was struck by another missile, marking the week’s second double-tap strike. The ship’s crew eventually abandoned the vessel due to the damage sustained by the attacks.

British security firm Ambrey said the attacks on the Tutor and Verbena, in addition to successful strikes on two other vessels in the days prior, were indicative of a “significant increase in effectiveness” of Houthi operations.

“Every single Houthi attack, the Houthis are probably learning something about what works and what doesn’t,” Carter said. “If you think about how a military organization operates, they’re definitely taking away lessons from the different strike packages that they’re using.”….

It is difficult to not only prevent the rebels from obtaining their “low-tech, low-cost” means of attack and to deter them from launching attacks, Alex Stark, an associate policy researcher who covers Middle East security at the RAND Corporation, told BI.

These attacks are an “ongoing problem without an obvious or useful solution at hand,” she added. The Houthis are getting smarter with their Red Sea attacks, and the ships sailing these waters are paying the price, Business Insider

Ms. Stark is wrong. There is “an obvious… solution at hand”. The Biden administration needs to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel until they lift their blockade of food, water and medical aid to the people in Gaza. That is the only policy that will bring an end to the crisis in the Red Sea. More importantly, it’s the right thing to do.

 
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  1. The Houthis receiving Hypersonic missiles at this time is part of the horizontal escalation Putin has declared after the Cluster munition instense on the Sevastapol.
    We will most likely see proxies of the “Axis of Evil”, present unforseen challenges to the Hegemon.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @JohnnySweden
  2. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:

    The Yemeni blockade extends to Haifa and Ashod these days.

    On Tuesday, they hit a Israeli linked Tanker in the Med

    • Thanks: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Pythas
  3. @Rational Racist

    Thanks for this, it’s excellent reading.

    • Agree: American Citizen
    • Disagree: Rev. Spooner
  4. The ability to launch highly maneuverable weapons at hypersonic speeds gives any country a considerable advantage,

    That looks like a bad sentence. Perhaps:
    “The ability to launch weapons that are highly maneuverable at hypersonic speeds gives any country a considerable advantage,”

    Because it isn’t hypersonic from launch to 100 metres.

    Oh yes, It’s time for USUK to admit that the Houthis are right and “israel” is wrong.

  5. @Rational Racist

    “Zio-Freemason Iran.” Who knew?
    Thanks for the tip!

    Can’t afford your meds?
    Maybe we can help.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • LOL: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Pythas
  6. whether they have them or not isn’t relevant; they can get them. russia and china have already spelled it out: send your ‘wunderwaffe” to our enemies and we’ll send our stuff that actually works to yours.

    again: what they’ve done and what they can do are not the same thing. why use your top gear when it can be saved for “israel’s” attack on lebanon and/or iran? besides, even if they’re shooting bottle rockets they’re doing what “true promise” did: using the overpriced bloat of western military “power” against itself.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso, Rev. Spooner
  7. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    More importantly, it’s the right thing to do.

    And when was the last time the US did the right thing?

    • Replies: @Rich
  8. Wang Shui says:

    “If they change their MO and start blowing ships out of the water right-and-left, popular support will vanish overnight.”

    Speak for yourself.

  9. eah says:

    Whitney is tabloid-ish here — it’s one thing to target commercial ships ostensibly carrying cargo destined for Israel (although I don’t believe the Houthis are competent enough to know which ship they’re targeting, nor its destination), it’s another to target US warships — so ‘bottom line’, were the Houthis to attempt to ‘litter the Red Sea with smoldering US warships’, that would likely be seen as an act of war against the US — I would advise the Houthis not to risk committing an act of war against the US by attacking US warships.

    It’s too bad the morons in Wash DC and elsewhere (the world is full of morons) didn’t do what I suggested over the last few months: since the Houthis aren’t capable of doing much damage (how many ships have actually been hit, and what was the extent of the damage?), this is primarily a financial problem caused by insurers refusing to cover ships traveling that route — so instead of futile attempts to target highly mobile launch platforms with airstrikes, it would’ve been better to deploy escort ships with anti-missile capability while offering indemnification to insurers should a ship be struck.

    Obviously the best solution would be for the US to coerce the Jews into allowing aid to reach Gaza.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @Kyfho Myoba
  10. US and Israeli Militaries Are Not the World’s Elite Force By Helena Glass

    https://helenaglass.net/2024/07/01/us-and-israeli-militaries/

    The fanfare that the Mossad and IDF represent the best global military is matched by America making similar claims. The creation of illusions is a necessary component of the Matrix. Given the illusion, when declaring war it is akin to sending troops into an immediate stairway to Heaven. The only way Israel accomplished what they did in Gaza and The West Bank was because they attacked civilians – not another military. Strategically, they are afraid of Hezbollah.

    Who or what is the ‘threat’ to US bases in the EU? We are not allowed to know. Possibly because they haven’t decided yet. But the Russia did it mantra is in peak mode. Per the DoD, the threats are not directed at any EU country – but at US military bases. Oddly, Germany appears completely unperturbed by the ‘threat’ and doesn’t even give it a line item in their News.

    The enormity of disinformation continually revolves around the Israeli and American governments. As such, contrary to Blinken’s comment that Biden has ‘restored global confidence in US Leadership’ is the conviction of a man who lives in a pathological surreal matrix of humans. And the illusion is a decaying shroud spun of a spider’s silk.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  11. But instead of going away, it’s getting worse, which is forcing Biden to make choices he doesn’t want to make.

    Biden’s not making any decisions and you know it. Next time please name the jew.

    • Thanks: Sharyn
    • Replies: @sarz
  12. Twenty years ago I would have never believed that I would someday be cheering on foreign countries when they attack American assets but here we are. I remind myself that it is really no longer America. That America has become a Zombie nation controlled by a hostile foreign nation. But still it is an odd feeling.

  13. Turning the sands of Southern Araby to glass might provide a serendipitous opportunity to test the deployment and effectiveness of tactical and mini-nukes while minimizing collateral damage on the road to a final solution of this problem, the Empty Quarter not being renowned for high population density, certainly not of Westerners.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Jameson
  14. Gerbils says:
    @Rational Racist

    Zio-Freemason Iran? Yeah right Shlomo. It’s fun to see you squirming though.

  15. meamjojo says:

    “Ms. Stark is wrong. There is “an obvious… solution at hand”. The Biden administration needs to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel until they lift their blockade of food, water and medical aid to the people in Gaza. That is the only policy that will bring an end to the crisis in the Red Sea. More importantly, it’s the right thing to do.”

    Here’s a more obvious solution that has been repeated over and over again for the last 9 months or so. Hamas releases the hostages they hold, dead or alive, lays down their weapons and begs for asylum in Iran or Turkey. Easy peasey!

    As for the Gazan civilians, I have posted a solution for that problem also – ship them to the West Bank. They will be [relatively] safe there compared to Gaza. JUST DO IT!

    As to what is “right” or not, that is not your call. I doubt your record is clear as to always doing what is “right”. Or put another way, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

  16. Anynomous says:

    American and british fuckheads and their satanic empire getting what they deserve. Crush them without mercy and drive Satan to the sea. Russia, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine and Houthis are freeing us from parasitic death grip of the american and british. Rest of us have to destroy american and british sick heads in legal ways as well and not just look from the side.

    Get fit, organize and get ready to fight against american and british parasites in a legal way and drive these parasites and their sick children out from your countries in legal ways.

    • Agree: Sharyn
  17. The cold-blooded massacre of children in Palestine has served to open the eyes of humanity and the “human animals” are looking for ways to defend themselves, and at the rate things are going, even the african bushmen will one day have to produce their nuclear weapons to defend themselves from white racism or even their loincloths will be stolen.

    • Replies: @Sharyn
  18. I read somewhere this morning that Russia is giving some new missiles to the Houthis to strike US warships, but I couldn’t find the source. I found this however:

    MEE: Prince Salman prevented Putin from arming Yemen’s Houthis with anti-ship missiles

    https://en.topcor.ru/49013-mee-princ-salman-pomeshal-putinu-vooruzhit-jemenskih-husitov-protivokorabelnymi-raketami.html?ysclid=ly6cluicpt127578883

  19. @Rational Racist

    I thought the Houthis promised safe passage to Chinese ships, from reports I read before.

    At the same time, it could be a message from Iran to Zio-Freemason China that it could close its routes to Europe, if it wanted to.

    I have read various reports showing that China is covertly working against Iran

    – “buying” oil from Iran is just a barter, and China keeps Iran’s money in Chinese banks, and only allows Iran access to crappiest Chinese goods in exchange
    – China is opposed to de-dollarization and sabotages such attempts within BRICS on behalf of Zio-Freemasons with whom it is allied
    – China excluded Iran from its BRI projects, citing US sanctions as a reason
    – China did not invest the $600 billion in Iran it was supposed to per 25 year agreement, for various reasons including FATF & US sanctions
    – China is actively lobbying UAE and Saudi Arabia and trying to curry favor with them,
    the most Zio-Mason states in the mid-east

    Iran’s oil exports surged from 200,000 barrels per day during Trump, to close to 2,000,000 barrels / day today. But guess what inflation has soared and Iran’s currency depreciated, and people have become much poorer just in the last 3 years. China is allowing Iran to survive and is denying it the currency it needs. It is working hand in hand with the US to prevent Iran ‘s ambition to be the regional hegemon, because China wants to replace the US as hegemon in West Asia, and Iran is in its way.

    China is no friend of Iran just like Russia pre-Ukraine war. This will change only when China finds itself sanctioned and forced into waging war just like Russia. In the meantime, Iran might under new leadership (pending election results) attempt to resolve the Israel problem, , in order to mend ties with the US, seeing that China does not want Iran to be a local hegemon, they think the US might be more open to that idea. Unfortunately, that was tried before, and it backfired. So, Iran is between a rock and a hard place (US, China) both China and the US do not want Iran to play the role of hegemon in West Asia. Russia is also opposed to that idea, but less so than China. With Trump in power, Russia may also switch sides, and both Russia, China, and the US will as before work against Iran — but my gut feeling is that Russia will not switch sides, and if a hardliner is elected, Russia and Iran will sign a pact like Russia did with Korea.

    China is sitting on the fence, and working in the (Zio-Mason) enemy team for now. If the Zio-Masons decide to sink China because they don’t trust it like they trust the US, then China will join Russia and Iran. For now, they are playing both sides, hoping to keep some kind of understanding with the Zio-Masons to continue their development and milking of Western economies. By raising tariffs and forcing Europe to do so, on China, it may force China to rethink its association with Zio Masons.

    Wait till Saturday for the results of Iranian elections.

    • Agree: KingOfWands
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  20. @meamjojo

    You want Gazan civilians “shipped out”? Fine, “ship” them to the illegal zionist political entity where the Gazans own thousands of residential, commercial, and agricultural properties seized by jewish terrorists in 1948. These properties are held by the Jewish National Trust and leased to other jewish terrorists. Evict the jewish terrorists and the Gazan Palestinians can live on their property and the total amount of rent paid to the Jewish National Trust since 1948 can be transfered the Palestinian owners of the land. There is also the issue of “interest” on the leased land payments, pain and suffering of the Palestinian landowners deprived of the enjoyment of their property for over 75 years, compensation for moveable property seized by jewish terrorists, as well as criminal penalties for the jewish terrorists of 1948 for the crimes of rape, murder, pillage and plunder.

    • Replies: @ld
    , @meamjojo
  21. ” The Houthis, who’ve used anti-ship missiles to great effect, are now increasingly resorting to those surface drones, including the so-called Houthi’s Blowfish….”

    You’re kidding, right? Talk about Spin Doctors!

    Life imitating art has been taken to a whole new level.

    I’m trying to laugh because our future’s so dark, we don’t need shades.

    I never thought 80’s/90’s Rock would be guiding our global destiny.

  22. Given this account of American military ineffectiveness, can the end of the dollar reign of terror be far off? Jamie Dimon has been awfully quiet of late.

  23. xyzxy says:
    @Rational Racist

    Idiotic simplification. And questionable reporting from your source. How much is just made up? One example: the idea that the undersea cables were ‘Chinese’ and the Houthis did it to ‘help’ the US.

    Does anyone really believe this nonsense? That the Houthi regime is secretly helping the US? Do you believe it?

    Just one example: The main cut cable (not even sure who is responsible–Houthis claim it was a US/Brit operation) is not ‘Chinese’, but owned and operated by SEACOM, which is a joint venture owned by Industrial Promotion Services, Remgro, and Sanlam, none of which are Chinese, but Euro-African run.

    What you post is ridiculous, but some people could read it, and those with limited analytic faculties might not realize that you are posting low-level FUD.

    • Thanks: Notsofast
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  24. Chris Moore says: • Website

    What’s clear is that the US has just one tool in its foreign policy toolkit: military force. And when that tool proves ineffective, then more force is applied. We need to understand how this is going to impact the outcome of the current stand-off in the Red Sea where Uncle Sam is beating his head against a rock without achieving anything. Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel into lifting the siege of Gaza?

    The statement “Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel” can be applied in literally dozens (if not hundreds) of situations, past and present.

    For example, Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel instead of fighting the Mideast War On Terror and Islamofascism based on the 9/11 ZOG inside job? or, Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel instead of giving it a blank check for ruthless Zionist expansionism of the Biblical fantasy of ersatz Israel?

    But you miss the point of the purpose of Israel and of the jew’s, which is a pretext for ZOG (both in Jerusalem and in the Washington District of Corruption) to enrich itself and its ZOG racket affiliates, and to plunder cowed, brainwashed, and brain dead Anglosphere/Natosphere rubes and tax slaves to do so.

    But zoglodytes (the Angloid/ Hebroid/ Negroid lumpenmasse in particular) prefer bread, circuses, bling and Holocaust moral vanity kike sucking to actually thinking their way out of a paper bag, so what are you going to do?

    Oy! Oy! He’s rrrrracist! against zoglodytes! comes the hasbara reply.

    Yes, I suppose I am. Is there a law against discriminating against brain dead zoglodyte idiocrats now? Tell me when they’ve put one on the books so I can make sure to keep kosher.

    • Agree: Z-man, Adolf Hitme
    • Replies: @Rurik
  25. sarz says:
    @ApocalypseNowInTheVatican

    Biden happens to be a halachic Jew. He follows his Iraqi Jew mother (who dragged her poor mick to a kibbutz) in being an ultra-Zionist.

    Everyone talks of Biden as though he’s some sort of shabbos goy. He’s not. Like ultra-Zionist Trump, he’s the main Jew screwing the works.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  26. @one nobody

    Axis of Evil is Israel-USA-NATO.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @one nobody
  27. @xyzxy

    Does anyone really believe this nonsense? That the Houthi regime is secretly helping the US? Do you believe it?

    When they have to resort to copium, it shows the Empire and their supporters are feeling the pain.

    • Replies: @ld
    , @Rev. Spooner
  28. The weak point of the Houthi attacks isn’t the missiles or their launchers, but their intel. Presumably the Houthis determine which ships to attack by perusing the same open source shipping data everyone else has. So the Hegemon’s response, since it has been pretty ineffective at countering the missiles and launchers, will likely be to dirty up the public data as much as possible to obscure who is shipping what to whom. Or to grant Israeli shipments special exemption from reporting requirements. Or simply for the US military to provide special off-book shipping for Israel.

  29. @JFKwasmurderedbyzionist

    Agree 100%. Amerika is not Amerika anymore. First nail in the coffin was the murder of president Kennedy and the second nail was the murder of his brother and the third the murder of Martin Luther King. The Government is hated by the whole world. The people is okay. The zionist have USA and Europa by the balls.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @HdC
  30. “Hypersonic missiles—which feature technological advances that are still unavailable in the West—are more accurate, harder to shoot down, and travel longer distances than earlier models.”

    The sandniggas ready for the Nobel Prize in physics… oh, my, my!

  31. QCIC says:
    @Rational Racist

    We need to know more about the role of Chabad in Ukraine and Russia.

  32. @meamjojo

    you were touching yourself while posting this wet dream weren’t you meanjuju

    • Replies: @Reinhardt
  33. Agent76 says:

    Mar 8, 2016 Iran tests ballistic missiles in military drills

    Iran test-fired on Tuesday several ballistic missiles in ongoing military drills attended by the senior commanders of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC). The missile drills, conducted in different parts of the country, are aimed at enhancing the deterrent power of the Islamic republic in the face of threats against the revolution and the territorial integrity of Iran, official IRNA news agency reported.

    Video Link

    May 17, 2023 RUSSIAN ‘KINZHAL’ HYPERSONIC MISSILE DESTROYS KIEV’S US-MADE ‘PATRIOT’ AIR DEFENSE SYSTE

    For most of this month, the mainstream propaganda machine has been parroting the same story over and over again – a Russian 9-A-7660 “Kinzhal” air-launched hypersonic missile was shot down by a US-made “Patriot” SAM (surface-to-air missile) system. The “conclusive” evidence cited by the political West is laughable at best, but it was enough to convince those without specific knowledge of how weapons actually work, which includes most of the population. Moscow didn’t really comment on the claims. Or to be exact, not until the early hours of May 16, when the actual response came in a very “non-rhetorical” form.

    http://infobrics.org/post/38407/

  34. Rich says:
    @Anon

    In 1983, preventing the Marxist takeover of Grenada was the right thing. An argument can also be made that preventing Iraq from taking control of Kuwait was the right thing.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  35. Rurik says:
    @Chris Moore

    The statement “Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel” can be applied in literally dozens (if not hundreds) of situations, past and present.

    For example, Wouldn’t it be better to pressure Israel instead of fighting the Mideast War On Terror and Islamofascism based on the 9/11 ZOG inside job?

    if it became a well known and universally accepted fact that Israel (and treasonous elements within the U.S.) did 9/11, I’m convinced that wouldn’t change a thing.

    We all know about the USS Liberty, and to our politicians and media, it’s ‘so what?

    It’s the same with 9/11. Anyone who’s looked at it, can obviously see Israel’s involvement, and yet to our politicians and ‘intelligence’ agencies, and media, the attitude is ‘so what?

    JFK’s been long dead, as well the people who murdered him.

    Most of the people aboard the Liberty have passed on. [RIP]

    but the fiends who perpetrated 9/11 are still around.

    and our congress and ‘intelligence’ agencies and media, will treat them all like great heroes, even knowing what they did.

    it’s a very grotesque and repulsive state of affairs

    in the positions of leadership where Americans should have their best people, we have our very worst.

    • Agree: Z-man, Notsofast
    • Replies: @HT
  36. Rich says:
    @JohnnySweden

    Why was the murder of Martin King a nail in the coffin of America? He was a communist sympathizer who sought to destroy the country. His image as a “uniter” was the creation of the media and used as a way to slow the radicalization of the negro population who were beginning to follow more militant leaders. King was right there with the militants and would have grown even more radical of he’d lived longer.

    • Agree: Gerbils
    • Replies: @Gerbils
  37. There is “an obvious… solution at hand”. The Biden administration needs to suspend all weapons shipments to Israel until they lift their blockade of food, water and medical aid to the people in Gaza.

    That means Israel has also to allow the supply of food,water and medical aid to Hamas (Mohammedan terrorists) !!

    Then : surrender.


    Video Link

  38. Notsofast says:
    @24th Alabama

    my god, the trolls are really getting desperate now. can’t wait to hear the john johnson bot’s even more twisted 🥨 logic.

    • Replies: @24th Alabama
  39. ld says:
    @Bombercommand

    That’s a start
    also end any holocaust moneys for the Jews and revert it to the kids who are left in Gaza and their families in perpetuity

  40. Megoy says:

    Finally he blurbs it out at the end: stop sucking Jewish cock! Not a single mention of the word “genocide” which it clearly is. Not a single mention of our criminal politicians iLLEGALLY stealing our tax money to give to criminal Israel! https://www.rrstar.com/story/opinion/2021/08/07/letter-us-aid-israel-illegal/5522870001/

    Even more shameless, kike Greenblatt wants to steal more US tax money for the criminal kikes that got what they deserved on 10/7! Ironically the slithering rat-faced Jew wants $4billion- the same amount Terrorist Silverman was paid for the World Trade Center attacks by Israel! Greenblatt needs a bullet in his brazen Jew head!
    https://dailystormer.in/adl-files-lawsuit-in-dc-demanding-4-billion-in-free-money-from-iran-syria-and-north-korea/

    As an American I want ALL of our tax money back for ALL the wars Jews have gotten us into, the 2008 Jew banking scam, and anything worse JeWS have had us pay for or we start taking pounds of flesh!

    Jewish evil knows no bounds until they get their heads blown off on a daily basis!!

    • Agree: Druid
  41. HT says:
    @Rurik

    in the positions of leadership where Americans should have their best people, we have our very worst.

    We have the best leaders Jew money can buy.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  42. ld says:
    @littlereddot

    That’s a start
    also end any holocaust moneys for the Jews and revert it to the kids who are left in Gaza and their families in perpetuity

  43. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    An argument can also be made that preventing Iraq from taking control of Kuwait was the right thing.

    George H Bush had his ambassador, April Glaspie inform Saddam that “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait.”

    Is was a ruse to trick Saddam into going into Kuwait, so that Bush could act shocked, shocked that Saddam did so, and then Bush had the pretext to destroy Saddam’s military capacity, that Bush and Rumsfeld had worked so hard to create, so long as Saddam was using his military against Iran.

    Treachery, just like Trump inviting Qasem Soleimani to a ‘peace conference’, in order to murder him.

  44. Notsofast says:
    @JohnnySweden

    i think he was referring to geo. w. shrub, calling iran, iraq and korea, “the axis of evil”. the zioneocon empire always accuses others of their own crimes. isn’t it ironic, that these three nations, slated for demolition by these bastards, turn out to be the key, to the destruction their “evil empire” (see there’s another one). the chickens are coming home to roost.

  45. antibeast says:
    @Rational Racist

    India last May 13th just signed a 10-year deal with Iran to use its Chabahar Port as part of the INSTC which joins Iran, Azerbaijan and Russia, thereby bypassing IMEEC which joins Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

    China’s BRI could connect its CPEC in Pakistan to Iran’s INSTC via the Gwadar Port. If anything, the Houthi attacks affect IMEEC rather than Pakistan’s CPEC or Iran’s INSTC.

    • Agree: Unbornawakened
    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Unbornawakened
  46. Pfhil says:

    Fuck this goddamned nigger Army/Navy. Houthis are heros!

    Video Link

    Video Link

    Every single day I’m reminded why El Cid was friendly with the Almoravids. Given the choice between Sepphardic friends or Muslim enemies, it’s a pretty easy decision.

    The mask is completely off.


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Pythas
  47. @Event Horizon

    All America has is hammers, and like the saying goes everything starts looking like a nail.

    • Agree: Event Horizon
    • Replies: @24th Alabama
  48. Rurik says:
    @HT

    We have the best leaders Jew money can buy.

    the tragic thing is it isn’t even their money, it’s ours

    they use the billions congress treasonously sends to Israel every year, and cycle it back into DC by ((lobbyists)) from AIPAC, et al.

    So the money ((they’re)) using to corrupt our politicians and institutions and so forth, is our own money, that we have to ‘pay back’ in taxes – with interest. The interest to be collected by Jewish banksters running the Fed.

    One man spent his career trying to end this obscene slavery to our worst enemies

    and all the ZOG, Jewish wars that go with it.

    In all my lifetime, it seems that there has been one man of integrity in all of Washington D.C.

    I suppose I should also offer a hat tip to Edward Snowden, who is just as rare in all of our ‘intelligence’ agencies or other acronyms of treason – FBI, CIA, ATF, NSA ect..

  49. Notsofast says:

    this is all part of the unfolding of soleimani’s grand plan. eariler the houthis claimed to hit the eisenhower, which the u.s. would neither confirm or deny. they then limped into a saudi port and then limped out of the red sea, sending the roosevelt to replace them, the houthis have promised a warm welcome to them.

    israel just assassinated another hezbollah commander yesterday, so expect some new toys out of them in response, as the gradual response is ratcheted up. the idf won’t dare go into lebanon, as they know what awaits them there. the axis of resistance has time on it’s side, while the rest of the world sees the genocidal nature of the zionist’s illegal occupation of palestine and time runs out, on their supremacist shit show. every day that passes, world opinion of israel falls to new lows. they are trapped like rats and eventually they will have to leave their sinking “aircraft carrier” of an apartheid state.

    • Agree: John Trout
  50. Nancy says:
    @Rurik

    Thomas Massie looks like a contender.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Replies: @Rurik
  51. Actually there is a military solution against overwhelming weapons. It is called retreat, get out of the theater, or surrender. In the case of the Air Craft carrier, I surmise the U.S. Navy opted for the retreat, and get out of the theater option.

  52. @Rurik

    As Henry Kissinger said in a moment of unusual candor, “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

    That is absolutely true and borne out by the fates of Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran. The ayatollahs are far better off as the sworn enemies of the US than any of the US’s friends are.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  53. Mr. Stark is a racist supremacist AskheNAZI jew. He would sacrifice every American Goyim to prevent one Jewish fingernail from being broken as it says in his satanic Talmud. He would sacrifice every single Goyim in Europe as well just as his racist supremacist AskheNAZI satanic brother Zelinski is doing in Ukraine. Mr Stark will sacrifice the stupid American Goyim instead of stopping the extermination of all Palestinian Goyim as this is what Mr Stark’s Lord Satan demand of him.

  54. Rich says:
    @Rurik

    It might have been a set-up, but preventing Iraq from controlling Kuwaiti oil and becoming the dominant power in the region can still be argued to have been a good thing. There’s no doubt Saddam had expansionist ideas, as his war with Iran showed.

  55. Rurik says:
    @Nancy

    Only it seems in the context of Israel, (which I admit is huge)

    but alas I’ve been very disappointed to discover things about this guy who I once supported.

    like his stance on immigration, is about as bad as it gets.

    So in a way, he’s not far off from the Squad, (and has even mentioned that he often sides with AOC), when it comes to issues threatening America.

    https://grades.numbersusa.com/gradecard/11580/118/

    But sure, on his stance on fealty to Israel, he seems very good, but so does Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar, who also hate heritage America, and want to see it inundated and destroyed by unlimited millions of immigrants.

  56. Corrupt says:

    Having a missile is one thing, having a targeting system is another. While hypersonics will complicate the situation in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden and make it more dangerous, I have doubts about the ability to target anything beyond a short range (over the horizon or out of small boat range) into the Indian Ocean. There should be NO carriers in the Red Sea or Gulf of Aden as this would put them at significant risk.

  57. Rurik says:
    @Ray Caruso

    “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

    look at Ukraine today

    hundreds of thousands of its young men ground into the dirt, for nothing.

    look at these two POS, encouraging those young men to die in a futile war with Russia

    start at 1:11,

    Video Link

    and look at how Lindsey is rubbing his hands, thinking about all the lucre he’s going to make off the deaths of these young soldiers, likely all of whom in that room, are now dead.

    But Lindsey gets pats on the back by ZOG

    I hope Hell has a place for Lindsey right next to McCain. In Dante’s n’th

    why is it nations and people still trust the ZUSA?

  58. Rurik says:
    @Rich

    It might have been a set-up, but preventing Iraq from controlling Kuwaiti oil and becoming the dominant power in the region can still be argued to have been a good thing.

    a good thing?

    Unless of course you mean ‘good for the Jews’, then sure, I get it.

    But how in Nebuchadnezzar’s ball sack it is good for Americans to see Americans killed and maimed because CIA stooge Saddam is more or less dominant in the region than say Israel, who actually has committed acts of war against America and Americans.

    Iraq didn’t harm or even threaten any American at any time.

    We simply destroyed Iraq because we were ordered to by our Jewish masters, at great cost to America, in blood and treasure and our now disgraceful moral standing in the world.

    I can tell you I’d rather see Saddam’s Iraq (or Iran, for that matter) as the most dominant power in the region, rather than the genocidal shitty little state, that’s for sure.

    • Agree: Corrupt, Ray Caruso
    • Replies: @John Trout
    , @Rich
  59. @eah

    Ooh, you don’t think the Houthis know which ships have Israeli ports as one of their destinations? Do you know we have telephones and internet these days???

    It’s too bad the morons in Wash DC and elsewhere (the world is full of morons) didn’t do what I suggested over the last few months:

    Yes, you are the moron since you are unaware that the US decision makers are all Jews or Zionists.
    Enough time wasted replying to you.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Replies: @eah
  60. @Rurik

    There was a time when the decent people within the U.S.A. were able to raise decent children with a moral and ethical compass. Those days are long gone.

    Doing the right thing is extremely costly; you could lose your life.

    Israel has hijacked the U.S.A. and agents of Satan run the show here!

    Our ” creed ” is a charade used to hide the evils done by our government the world over.

    It is a shame!

    • Agree: Rurik
  61. @cousin lucky

    Blinken’s comment that Biden has ‘restored global confidence in US Leadership’ is the conviction of a man who lives in a pathological surreal matrix of humans. And the illusion is a decaying shroud spun of a spider’s silk.

    True.
    Blinken pretends that it’s so. He and his co-Judean allies have travelled to the ME multiple times to stamp out the fires but the problem is that Israel wants Gaza ethnically cleansed and retain its myth of military supremacy. This will never happen.
    This Jewish Crusade (an oxymoron) project promoted by enslaved Western and American politicians is now going to fail.
    Half a million colonists who had dual passports have already fled, another half million are displaced from the north and living in camps and hotels in central Israel.
    Invest in EL AL airline for short term and buy a rundown tenement in NY for the fleeing chosenites.

    • Replies: @cousin lucky
  62. Anynomous says:

    Video Link

    While american and british yell “Its all jews fault! Its the niggers! Its the japs fault. Fucking commies! Fucking gooks! Fucking nazis, except if they are on our side, then they are good nazis and good commies!!! And if japs come to do human experiments for us, then they are good japs!” and in reality american and british have been doing all mostly themself. But american and british will always put blame on somebody else. Its never his fault and hes never able to carry responsibility, feel remorse, regret, empathy, guilt etc. Hes not human.

  63. @littlereddot

    Germany, the Cuckold country should be forced to pay a few billions $ to rebuild Gaza.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  64. Gerbils says:
    @Rich

    Why was the murder of Martin King a nail in the coffin of America?

    Why are his FBI files still sealed? Michael Brown was a liability and had to be eliminated. Apparently they were going to do a clownish security breach of Apollo the following week after he got whacked.

    • Agree: Rich
  65. Notsofast says:
    @Rich

    iraq attacked iran with u.s. blessings and weapons, including chemical. when iraq was about to win, they backed iran, having the israelis give tow missiles the iranians in an illegal deal out of the whitehouse basement, where daddy bush ran the show. this became the iran contra affair, that was swept under the rug.

    daddy bush, (former director of the c.i.a., son of prescott, leader of the businessman’s coup), announced a week before the invasion, kuwait had no defense treaty with the u.s., giving saddam the apparent green light. this was two fold, one to lure saddam into the trap and second, to lock kuwait into the zioneocon empire they were constructing, for their greater israel project. his idiot son would then, begin the project for a new american century, with his pnac friends, leading to 9/11 and the 7 countries in 5 years, attempt take over of the middle east, and zioneocon domination of the american political system, we see playing out now.

    all of this was prepared for years in advance. in 1986, i had a civilian job at macdill afb, working in their woodshop. my boss was a very cool retired air force master sargent. one day he told me he had been ordered to build, large boxes for mwr kits, containing volleyball sets, tvs and vcrs, and other recreational items. he asked me, guess what color they want them painted, desert camo- guess where we’re going to war next?

    • Thanks: showmethereal, notbe mk 2
    • Replies: @Rich
  66. muh muh says:

    But a small contribution to the solution:

    • Thanks: Gerbils, Corrupt
  67. @Rurik

    Ah yes, AIPAC has perfected the kickback.

  68. @Rurik

    A simple “agree” doesn’t say how grateful I am for reading the truth you tell.

    • Thanks: 24th Alabama, Rurik
  69. @JohnnySweden

    I should have put the axis of evil in quotation marks.

  70. @American Citizen

    And, since you’re a turd every asshole looks like your mother.
    The trolls fondling one another is obscene, yet amusing.

  71. Anynomous says:

    American and british murderers, robbers and terrorists have never understood speech, but only legal violence. You cant never talk with these animals and trust then or they kill and destroy you and your children every time you allow them to exist and spread. Its you or them. Theres only two options.

    American and british terrorists and murderers are now officially joining the war against Russia after their proxy Ukraine was destroyed and now they are pushing their other corrupt and controlled proxy, Finland, to die to last finn against Russia as well. That will take about few months, like with Ukraine. Propably less than that, because theres no slavic brothers in Finland to care about.

    You have to drive out and destroy all american and british and their disgusting and sick offspring from your lands by legal means. They are not going to leave volunteerly from the lands that they have taken from your people. Instead they say “Excuse me, Mr. president of the United States. We need some US Marines and the CIA to kill and terrorize these local people that are so evil and bad to us. “.

  72. @Rev. Spooner

    Both Bibi and Biden are sinking their own countries down the toilet. The Israeli’s with the financial means will get out but the ones that can not leave are going to be in for a hard time.

    Bibi and Biden both need to watch their backs because the sharks can sense their blood in the water.

    The coming chaos is going to be terrible.

  73. Reinhardt says:
    @meamjojo

    LOL. Your parasitic “state” is going down, schlomo.

    • Agree: Druid
  74. Reinhardt says:
    @arbeit macht frei

    More likely touching his mother, like every good kike does.

  75. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The neocons simply wanted a kosher regime change in Syria using the CIA proxy warriors ISIS and Al Qaeda. But Russia had to get involved.

    Then the neocons simply wanted a kosher regime change in Ukraine and then use Ukraine as a base of operations against Russia.

    Ethnically-Russian Ukrainians fought back successfully.

    Then the plan was to arm up the Ukrainian government forces over the 8 years to crush all opposition in Donbass and Crimea, for a 2022 planned offensive. U. S. senators traveled to Ukraine to give moral support for the spring offensive and make the Ukraine government forces think the U.S. had their back.

    Russia then intervened right before the NATO (i.e., Pentagon)-planned offensive could launch.

    At this point Ukraine needs to disbanded.

    • Replies: @24th Alabama
    , @Rurik
  76. @muh muh

    The IDF air force is the only thing ( beyond the nukes ) keeping Israel from being over run.

    Here in the west the MSM hides the implosion of the Israeli economy and cohesion, but the longer Bibi clings to power the deeper the hole gets for Israel.

    • Replies: @muh muh
  77. @Notsofast

    Either the trolls are spontaneously getting dumber, a near impossibility,
    or they have been struck stupid by a contagious, comedic mania.
    Call the troll doctor?

  78. Pro Tip: One should NEVER use “game changer” ever – either in writing or conversation. NEVER. And if I’m talking to you in a bar and you use “clap back” unironically I’ll throat punch you

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  79. @Rurik

    As I understand it, the U.S. “government” gave the Emir of Kuwait the equipment to slant-drill into Iraq’s oil fields and encouraged him to do so. Kuwait then pumped out and sold lots of Iraq’s oil which brought the price down – at a time when Saddam Hussein was counting on oil revenue to rebuild Iraq and pay off debt after the Iraq – Iran war. And this was apparently the major provocation which caused him to invade Kuwait (of course after getting the “green light” from April Glaspie).

    So just like Hitler was provoked to invade Poland and Putin was provoked to invade “Ukraine” Saddam Hussein was provoked to invade Kuwait.

    • Agree: nokangaroos, Druid
    • Replies: @24th Alabama
    , @Rurik
  80. Rich says:
    @Rurik

    Good for the Jews, good for the Americans, good for the Saudis, the Iranians and a bunch of other countries. In the First Gulf War we left Saddam in power, you’re thinking of the Second Gulf War which probably was a mistake.

    • Replies: @TrueIrish
  81. What is Lebanon waiting for?

    Israel has made it clear what they’re going to do…then get the first punch in…
    destroy their airfields before they can use them to destroy you…and while forces are in Gaza move in on the ground so the fighting is done on Israeli territory.

    And what is Egypt waiting for? Receiving crumbs when it could move in and obtain a meal!

    The arabs are either as one to get rid of the great satan or they’re picked off and fed crumbs.

    And destroy Qatar, they’re western dogs.

    • Replies: @24th Alabama
  82. Rich says:
    @Notsofast

    Okay. So what? The US armed Iraq in its war against Iran, but Saddam was more than happy to send his soldiers into that bloodbath. Whether or not Iraq was suckered into invading Kuwait, they still did it. Had the US not driven them out, Saudi Arabia and other countries would have been threatened, the price of oil would have skyrocketed and world economies seriously damaged. Of course, I understand there’s an argument against American involvement, too, I’m just saying there’s a legitimate argument that overall, driving Saddam out was a good thing.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Notsofast
  83. Pythas says:
    @Anon

    They should hit more.

  84. @Anonymous

    The Ukrainians committed national assisted suicide at the urging
    of their Zio-American “friends.” Anything else we can do to help?

  85. Pythas says:
    @24th Alabama

    Exactly when I read that this baby-boomer moron has the mentality of Joe blow and his shit 3rd world administration. Jews, niggers, hindus, spics all living in the White man’s country. All speaking the White man’s Germanic dialect. It is pathetic to see 3rd world invaders be allowed to weasel their way into any of our Western governments and institutions that these low-life’s would not even know about and had nothing to do with creating. And now I hear that some half-breed nigger-dothead might become president of my country. You have got to be fuck-in kidding. God will not permit this to happen.

    • Thanks: 24th Alabama
  86. Pythas says:
    @Pfhil

    The niggers didn’t create any Western army or navy. The niggers didn’t even know what the wheel was. These people hardly did shit for the world and we are supposed to build these coolies up to levels they would never achieve living with their own shit kind? Bullshit.

  87. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @sarz

    Everyone talks of Biden as though he’s some sort of shabbos goy. He’s not. Like ultra-Zionist Trump, he’s the main Jew screwing the
    works.

    I agree that Biden probably has Hebroid background. He has many hallmarks of a Hebroid: totally corrupt to the point of criminality, condescending, self-absorbed and narcissistic, he loves hearing himself talk even though all it mostly amounts to is bullshit and blather, he loves publicly groping prepubescent girls, he groped his own prepubescent daughter in the shower, he uses his son to front for his crimes, and then throws him under the bus, he’s sponsored mass murder in Palestine for years in, and now genocide, he’s profiteered from Ukraine war and chaos… in short, he’s a degenerate scumbag crime boss.

    But please stop referring to these Hebroids as “Jews”. Moses was the first Jew. The Prophets that followed were Jews. Jesus was the last Jew before these Hebroid scum had him crucified.

    These creatures are a mixed up schizoid zoglodyte crime gang of barely human scum.

    When the blade comes down on these Hebroid and zoglodyte scum, it’s going to fall fast, hard and decisively, just like Moses’ sword fell on the golden calf Hebroid criminals.

  88. @Harold Smith

    That’s an interesting observation. Is there a source?
    Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait never made sense,
    but this seems plausible.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  89. HdC says:
    @JohnnySweden

    The failure of the USA as a free country that valued the individual above all others, began in 1913.

    That’s the year of the founding of the Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS. Both were required to finance all the wars the US was going to be the initiator of or contributor thereto.

    The blame for this is the week-kneed president Wilson.

    • Agree: Gerbils
    • Replies: @Twin Ruler
  90. TrueIrish says:
    @Rich

    They were both mistakes. It is ignoble to relay such a message to Iraq through our ambassador simply to create a pretext for war. I am sure that those who died, American and Iraqi, and their families feel the same way.

    Why was it good for America?

    • Replies: @Rich
  91. @Mr_Chow_Mein

    Long before the Abraham Accords the Arabs were watching each other to see
    who would be the first to sell out to the Jews and Americans, and Iran was
    suspicious of all of them.

    The Arab population at large is fervently anti-Israel, leading their rulers to
    play a precarious double game. El-Sisi and Abdullah are both in imminent,
    danger of being overthrown, kept in power by the military and the U.S.
    The Gaza War has weakened their popular support.

  92. Jameson says:
    @quasi_verbatim

    If it ever gets serious all the West needs to do is turn Mecca into a radioactive hole in the ground.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  93. muh muh says:
    @cousin lucky

    Here in the west the MSM hides the implosion of the Israeli economy and cohesion, but the longer Bibi clings to power the deeper the hole gets for Israel.

    Israelis have been trafficking in lies so long, they’ve become addicted to them. Here’s the reality:

    And how do we know General Brik’s on the level?

    Further corroborated here:

    Short on ‘munitions, motivation, and troops,’ Israeli army wants Gaza truce: Report
    https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25721

    And what’s Netanyahu’s response?

    Netanyahu: ‘We’re approaching end of stage of eliminating Hamas army’
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/392394

    Feedback from the mostly Israeli commentators at Israel National News:

    “I am unsure if I should be laughing or crying, this is just so insane.”

    “Yea right. This is Israel’s way to stop from escalating against Hezbollah.”

    “Is this the way military works, they give a set date that runs into months, they say Hamas is at its end, yet Hamas doesn’t seem to think so, they still running rampant. And on and on it goes …”

    “I imagine it will only be a matter of time, before all of Israel no longer sees the muslims, or the Israeli left, or the influence of america. All that will be left, are the Israeli officials who are betraying the security of the people of Israel …”

    “i’ll believe it when i feel it…”

    “Hamas has completely infiltrated Palestinian controlled enclaves throughout Samaria and Eastern Jerusalem.”

    “Is this the final downfall? So much lies it’s scary and on the other side of the spectrum they are ready to give the keys of the kingdom to the Islamic/Nazis …”

    • Thanks: Pfhil, A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @Pfhil
  94. @Rurik

    Demon possessed McCain is looking an awful lot like Joe Biden’s twin brother.

  95. @Rurik

    Ron Paul is a man of principle and honor, but the libertarian political
    philosophy, in application, would strengthen the stranglehold which
    the oligarchy has on the U.S. Big government is only one of the
    problems.The issue is, who controls the government and who is
    represented by its policies.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  96. Rich says:
    @TrueIrish

    It was good for America because it kept the petrodollar in play, made ME countries more dependent on the US and kept oil prices reasonable. I understand there are at least 2 sides to every story, but from an American, and Western, point of view, it was a good thing.

    • Disagree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  97. @Rev. Spooner

    At the risk of sounding harsh, a more long term solution is better….. A return to 1947 UN proposed 2 state solution borders.

    If this is not accepted and ratified by Israel within 12 months, then the UN or other international peacemakers should just step back and let the semites (Jews + Arabs) fight it out. The Turks and Iranians will probably join the fray.

    Russia and China would have to step up to prevent the Empire from interfering.

    The likelihood then, would be a return to 1946 borders…ie. no more State of Israel.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  98. Odyssey says:

    THE RUSSIANS ENTERED NEW YORK

    They conquered a part of Chasovo Yar Kanal and reached the outskirts of Torecko.
    Russian troops have made a record offensive breakthrough recently. They broke through the Ukrainian defense of the town of New York (Novgorodskoe) and in 24 hours advanced 4.5 kilometers from its southern side.

    New York is located in the Republic of Donetsk – south of Torecko (Dzerzhinsk).

    The Russians entered New York under a fight and occupied at least a third of it, and with their “northern wing” they are launching an attack on Toreck itself. They reached its eastern outskirts two days ago through a three-kilometer long tunnel, passing behind the most fortified complex on the Torec front.

    A similar passage underground hastened the fall of Avdeyevka, from which the Ukrainians have not recovered to this day. Part of the price is the loss of Oceretin, from which the Russians are developing an offensive in three directions.

    • Replies: @Holy Catholic
  99. @Rich

    Thank you for reminding us what the average American thinks.

    It is then no wonder why much of the world regards the USA is the most dangerous country on earth.

    The map of the world according to who every country thinks is most dangerous

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • LOL: Rich
  100. How much money can North Korea and Vietnam ( and Laos ) make producing weapons for sale to the enemies of the U.S.A.?

    How many Central and South American counties want to inflict pain on the United States?

    Wounded bullies always catch hell from the weak that they have abused over the years;
    the United States is wide open to smugglers and anyone else no matter the reason.

  101. Pfhil says:
    @muh muh

    Another excellent post mm!

    It is truly astonishing just how dishonest jews are with their own. I always like to remind jojo about Masada, but, that is the most appropriate historical parallel. However, now, Israel itself is Masada.

    Geopolitically, Israelis have lost the option to flee to America en masse. American jews have to treat Israeli jews as radioactive lest the sins of Gaza get transferred to them. The Nuremberg Trial set the precedent of collective guilt that every German lives with to this day. Israel may have already passed its’ burn the boats moment, the only victory they achieve at this point is a Pyrrhic one. Their reserve officer corps is committing suicide faster than trannies, the Hassidim are ready to wage Civil War, and Uncle Schmuley is on the very real verge of canceling the next shipment of GLU’s.

    Frankly, at this point, Lebanon should invade Israel and pre-empt the inevitable conflict. If Israel doesn’t invade Lebanon they look like absolute cowards. Mocking dudes in Adidas track pants is proving to be the exact same hubris America felt mocking dudes in pajamas in Vietnam.

    • Thanks: muh muh
  102. meamjojo says:
    @Bombercommand

    Well since NONE of that rant is going to happen, do you have a plan B? [rotflol]

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  103. The Houthis, who’ve used anti-ship missiles to great effect, are now increasingly resorting to those surface drones, including the so-called Houthi’s Blowfish….

    Can we call it “Houthi and the blowfish?”

    Badum bum

    • LOL: Corrupt
  104. A naval force deployed by the European Union to protect vessels in the Red Sea needs to more than double in size because of escalating attacks by Iran-backed Houthi rebels, the head of the operation said.

    The jews hate White gentiles. Shabbos goy, jew-bought european governments are literally doing the bidding of the people that have a pathological hatred of Europeans. Makes me want to puke.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  105. @littlereddot

    Do you really believe that the Mohammedan terrorists deserve to have a state ?

    BBC News | Middle East

    Christian sites in Israel are to close for two days in protest against a plan to build a mosque near the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth.

    The move was announced in a letter from church leaders in the Holy Land to the Israeli Government.

    Leaders of the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Armenian denominations said the government was discriminating against Christians by allowing work to begin on the mosque next week.

    It said that “all the sanctuaries of the Holy Land will be closed on 22 and 23 November”, warning that further action could also be taken.

    Although the sites were not specified, it was expected that the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in the West Bank would be included, as well as the Church of the Annunciation and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem.

    The letter was criticised by local Muslim leaders as provocative.

    Salman Abu Ahmed – head of the Islamic Movement in Nazareth, which has been campaigning for the mosque for two years – warned that it would “raise tensions in our relations”.

    “I can’t believe what I am hearing. I thought that religious people were supposed to be more forgiving,” he said.

    Pope visit under threat

    According to Christian tradition, it was in the Church of the Annunciation that the Virgin Mary was told by the Angel Gabriel that she would be giving birth to Jesus Christ. As such, it is considered one of the key Christian holy sites.

    A cornerstone for the mosque is due to be laid next Monday, provided that Muslims remove a temporary prayer tent by the same day.

    The issue has caused tensions which erupted into unusual sectarian violence between indigenous Muslims and the Christian minority in Easter.

    It is feared that this and recent riots in Bethlehem, following the shooting of a Palestinian souvenir vendor by an Israeli soldier, may deter tourists from visiting the Holy Land over the millennium.

    Defiant Muslims Begin Building Nazareth Mosque

    Deborah Sontag

    Thousands of jubilant Muslims chanted prayers to Allah, threw fists into the air and set off firecrackers today as they defiantly laid the marble cornerstone of a mosque in the shadow of the Basilica of the Annunciation.

    A nun in white, a monk in brown and a priest in black watched the celebration glumly from the crenelated roof of the church, which, like all the major churches in the Holy Land, has been shuttered for two days in protest.

    The battle of the Muslim majority here to build a mosque adjacent to a central Christian pilgrimage site has not only divided the once harmonious Israeli Arab town but also strained Israel’s relations with the Vatican as the millennium approaches.

    The Vatican today issued a sharply worded criticism of the Israeli government’s decision to authorize the mosque in the boyhood town of Jesus. But it did not mention any change in the plans for Pope John Paul’s visit to the Holy Land in March, a trip that local Christian leaders here had said would be jeopardized if the cornerstone was unveiled.

  106. The plain ordinary people of U.S.A., Europe, Ukraine, and Israel have been betrayed by their own governmental leaders.

    Resentment is growing against these leaders as well as the moneyed interests that control them. It is a bad sign for the elite; a good sign for humanity.

  107. @Charles Martel France

    Do you really believe that the Mohammedan terrorists deserve to have a state ?

    One man’s Terrorist, is another man’s Freedom Fighter, no?

    But for the sake of interesting discussion, let us use your rationale…..

    Palestians have used terrorism….therefore they do not deserve a state.
    Then by the same measure,
    Israelis have used terrorism….there they do not deserve a state either.

    So….Let the lands be distributed between TRANS-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt….that would be fine by me.

    Except save the little town of Arad in the Judean Desert for me. I had life changing experiences there.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anynomous
  108. eah says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    >Ooh, you don’t think the Houthis know which ships have Israeli ports

    No I don’t — in fact, in previous comments I’ve cited a couple of reports about ships they’ve targeted that were not going to Israel, which is why I said ‘I don’t believe the Houthis are competent enough to know which ship they’re targeting, nor its destination’ — most estimates put the average IQ in Yemen at barely above 80, so Yemen is not really a technically competent nation.

    >US decision makers are all Jews or Zionists

    And I said absolutely nothing about who ‘US decision makers’ are, only that they’re morons for how they’ve chosen to respond to the Houthis targeting commercial shipping.

    You fucking moron.

  109. @HdC

    And, they claim Hitler and Stalin were bad people! Were it not for Woodrow Wilson, and US Involvement in The First World War, there would never have been the rise of the other two historical figures. Stalin, of course disillusioned, began to purge the CPSU of Jewish people, when he discovered that, in fact, many of the early Bolsheviks were Jews. Seems Hitler and Stalin were fighting the same enemy– Hitler from without the Communist movement, and Stalin from within the Communist movement.

    Intriguingly, the Jewish Bolsheviks may indeed have been bankrolled into existence by the Jewish Capitalists in order to genocide the Russians!

  110. @antibeast

    This idiot is a Chinese conspiracy theorist posing as an enemy of Jews — or maybe he hates Jews because they compete for money and greed and tribalism with the Chinese — look at this article:

    https://ungoverneable.substack.com/p/ww3-will-be-china-vs-israel

    It shows a map of INSTC and labels it IMEEC. Totally confused he must be, and he joined substack 10 days ago it says. Any idiot can join this site, I suppose.

    Then he posts a pictures of Iranians looking like a mix of Africans and Jews, and claims that Iranians think of themselves as Aryans racially or genetically:

    Like India, Iranians believe they’re ‘Aryan’ & have admiration for blonde Slavs. Russia & Iran are trojan horses. There is no multipolar world. It’s China vs the world.

    There are a very few Iranians who think like that but they are a tiny minority, mostly based in the Los Angeles, USA (and almost all of them all staunch supporters of Israel, maybe crypto-Jews). This China boy must have had some bad encounters with these people.

    China boy is trying to justify China’s Han ethnocentrism and worship of money, and selfishness, under the guise of anti Freemason or anti Jewish posturing.

  111. @King Edward I

    Jews hate ALL goyim, and one another.

    • Replies: @King Edward I
  112. @muh muh

    ALHAMDULILLAH.

    Disarm and disband “israel.”

    • Agree: muh muh
  113. @A_Hand_Hidden

    Your perceptive comment is a real game-changer. Have your people reach out to my people.

  114. @Charles Martel France

    People defending their family homes and ancestral lands from invaders, occupiers, and mass murderers of women and children, are not terrorists.

    The “israelis” are terrorists.

    There is no religion known as “mohammedanism.” Unlike “trinitarian” christians, Muslims do not worship any of God’s creations, only God himself.

    FREE PALESTINE.
    Disarm and disband “israel” forever.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  115. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Rich

    from an American, and Western, point of view, it was a good thing.

    You think keeping kike Hebroids and kike Angloids in control of the antisemite Shakespeare’s Anglosphere and antisemitic Western Civilization is a “good thing”?

    When have kikes ever been a “good thing” for anything they’ve touched?

    Probably the second best thing that ever happened in history was Moses bringing down his sword on these stiff-necked kikes en masse. The best thing that ever happened in history was the coming of Christ, who blackened the name of these kikes for 2000 years after Moses made them black and blue for 1500 years or so.

    The kike needs to be black and blue on an ongoing basis. It’s called civilization.

  116. Sharyn says:
    @JFKwasmurderedbyzionist

    The same with me. We used to hate I ran in the 70s. Later on We totally believed bush’s “ Access of evil “nonsense And I never even liked Any of the bushes.
    But certainly, we knew that Russia was the enemy and Islamic nations, all hated us. It’s really United States government that hates us the most. But I don’t want to emphasize government so much.

    I used to make it a point to say US government instead of the US, but with all the fat riddled diabetics out there stuffing their faces and watching Netflix, and not even defending the children from perverts, we cannot blame only the government anymore

  117. Sharyn says:
    @Liborio Guaso

    “Racist “” 🙄 we will finally be a free world when people stop using propaganda words that the United States government is pushing on the people

  118. • Replies: @Anynomous
  119. The upgraded warhead can hit wash dc from Yemen in under six minutes, it’s also atomic

  120. @meamjojo

    After 24 hours of silence that’s all you and your handlers can come up with? Your fake bravado reveals your unease. Insisting “it won’t happen” is admitting “it can happen”, and if it CAN HAPPEN, it WILL HAPPEN. The issue of thousands of residential, commercial, and agricultural properties seized from Palestinians by jewish terrorists will not go away. If it was going away, The Jewish National Trust would have transfered those titles to private hands long ago, but it can’t, because if it tries those with standing will go to a court with world jurisdiction. It is a ticking time bomb at the heart of the zionist entity. There is another, more serious, issue that even hard core zionists are unaware of: the illegal severing of The Mandate of Syria into four “sub-mandates”. The Gentiles outfoxed you jews, we gave you a poisoned gift. The (sub)Mandate of Palestine was an illegal political entity, only The Mandate of Syria was legal. Any political entity derived from The (sub)Mandate of Palestine is illegal. Despite that, Palestine would have morphed into Israel if you had respected the civil rights of the native inhabitants, as the Balfour Declaration politely cautioned you to do. But you insisted on acting like jews. This issue will not go away, and it will destroy the zionist entity. We Gentiles outfoxed you with The United Nations as well. If only you had established the zionist entity before that first meeting of The United Nations, your zionist entity would have been legalized, as existing international borders were considered fixed at ratification of the UN Charter. Too bad, jew, it’s too late now.

  121. Anynomous says:
    @littlereddot

    American and british have been the sickest, most vicious mass murderers and terrorists in history, who have always and still do keep pushing their way of doing things and serving only them and submitting to their rule. American and british constantly invent these names and excuses for everybody, for murdering, terrorizing and robbing all their stuff. Only american and british constantly bully who can and who can not have a state, who lives how, who trades with whom, who will be allowed to be free and who cant be.

    Fuck you american and british. You have always been the sickest, most disgusting and most criminal animals and parasites there has ever been. You disgust everybody. You sick fucks.

  122. Notsofast says:
    @Rich

    funny, that’s the same thing israel says. another thing they say is why don’t you and him go fight, although you do add, so i can have cheap gas. well look at where your cheap gas has got you, a whole lot of expensive wars, fought on who’s behalf?🎆🇮🇱💥🎇 happy 4th of july!

  123. Anon 284 says:

    Meamjew just doesnt get it.

    Clueless fool

    Their little racist jew nazi project is finished along with their fake language, fake cuntry, fake religion, fake power

    Khizballah is going to tear them a new one and send the baby killing cowards screaming into the sea

    Cant wait

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  124. Anynomous says:
    @Priss Factor

    American and british have always supported absolutely anybody that advances their goals, with any means necessary. And they have always been openly proud of doing just that. Did anybody say US Marine Corp? Rah rah rah! Bang bang bang! American and british kill you and take all your stuff. Your oil and gold belong to american and british. Give all your oil, gold and money to american and british or they kill you and send their multicultural drug gang army to kill your people and children. Trade only with american and british or they destroy you physically and financially. Give your companies, inventions, resources, money etc. to american and british or they destroy you. You better let american and british in as tourists or bad things happen to you!

  125. @Odyssey

    Who what where
    I was just reading my mainstream media site and they claimed the exact opposite
    It’s always left or right
    The Ukrainians are winning
    Oh no it’s the Russians actually

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  126. @Anon 284

    On the contrary, Meamjojo absolutely gets it.

    He is extremely intelligent. It is just that he gets a kick from pushing the buttons of commenters here on UR. And it seems he instinctively knows where to jab for maximum effect.

    Personally I find him quite amusing.
    I also find the way people react to him, instructive.

    • Replies: @muh muh
    , @Bombercommand
  127. muh muh says:
    @littlereddot

    On the contrary, Meamjojo absolutely gets it.

    Agreed.

    He is extremely intelligent.

    Disagree.

    It doesn’t take extreme intelligence to do what he does. It’s fish in a barrel trolling, representing a party as evil as Israel in a forum stacked to the rafters with anti-Zionists just to trigger their responses.

    Whoopie. Mission accomplished.

    But, as you imply, he’s transparent in this respect. Occasionally, he can be persuaded to engage in something a bit more serious and I have enjoyed taking him to school on more than one occasion.

    One of my favorites even earned me a coveted ‘Troll’ accolade. 🕶️

  128. @mulga mumblebrain

    You gotta admit, there are levels of their hatred.

    Number 1 target of their hatred is White gentiles.

    How do I know?

    Easy. White gentiles are literally the only group that they insist CANNOT engage in identity politics.

    The millisecond White gentiles work together for their ethnic/racial interests, jews start demanding crackdowns, speech laws, paypal bannings, book bannings, website bannings, censorship, and label every White gentile that dares to take their own people’s side as “evil White supreeemacists” guilty of “hate speech”.

    The jews do NOT engage in this type of political, economic, or social repression against any other ethnicity or race.

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  129. Rurik says:
    @Harold Smith

    U.S. “government” gave the Emir of Kuwait the equipment to slant-drill into Iraq’s oil fields

    yep, they were doing this to Saddam, to enrage him to attack

  130. @Rational Racist

    Everyone with a keyboard pretends to have some secret scoop. That report is nonsense

  131. @Event Horizon

    You mean you actually believed that stuff? Yikes.

  132. Rurik says:
    @24th Alabama

    Ron Paul is a man of principle and honor, but the libertarian political
    philosophy, in application,..

    like open borders and the ‘free movement of people’,

    which is insane

    But Ron Paul never advocated for the ‘Libertarian’ philosophy as a rigid and fixed dogmatic catechism, because his intelligence was/is far more nuanced than that, IMHO

    • Replies: @24th Alabama
  133. @Rich

    The U.S. was the one egging Saddam along to fight Iran. Supplying him and turning a blind eye to his use of chemicals. He thought the U.S. was perfectly fine with him being able to take Kuwait – which actually was part of Iraq until the British broke it off. But he forgot that Israel and the Saudis were higher on the pecking order. Still as a semi reward for being such a good stooge for so long – he was allowed to remain in power. That is until he wanted to break out of the petro dollar system

    • Replies: @Rich
  134. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    At this point Ukraine needs to disbanded.

    It’s a tough call.

    First off, I’d like to see Zelinsky and his pimp, Kolomoisky, get the Nicolae Ceaușescu / Mussolini treatment.

    Then find a leader who supports both the eastern, Russian-speaking Ukrainians, as well as the western Ukrainians, and repudiates ((NATO/ZOG/the EU)), for all time, and emulates the way nations like Belarus or Hungary, Serbia, (and now Slovakia, and more…) are doing, and repudiating ZOG/NATO as the enemy of all Christian nations.

    And gives Russia solid and legal written guarantees that Ukraine will never join (((NATO)))

    Once these critical steps are taken, then they can set about the long process of healing and rebuilding, accepting the obvious reality that eastern Ukraine and Crimea should stay with Russia as long as the people there are Russians, and want to be aligned with their mother country.

    But once ZOG is routed out of the region, it will go back to not mattering, because those people are brothers and sisters, with the same historic heritage and basic ethnic identity. Especially once Russia comes to terms with the terrible legacy of the Soviet era, which is the main obstacle to Russians and Ukrainians, (and Poles and Baltic states and others..) having rapprochement.

    Perhaps that’s a tall order, but not impossible, and none of it would cost a penny. Just a will from the people over there to stop being chumps of Zion.

    Once sanity ensued, then it would no-doubt be an irresistible example to the rest of the world, to repudiate the ((fiend/ZOG/NAO/Empire of Lies)), and this sanity and peace and prosperity and hope, would begin the march west, as part of the Global-south.

  135. Rich says:
    @showmethereal

    Both the countries that became Iraq and Kuwait were part of the Ottoman Empire. Parts of both Iraq and Kuwait were part of the Ottoman province of Basra Vilayet. They were never the same country and Britain created the country of ‘Iraq’ from three separate Ottoman provinces. Without the Brits, there is no Iraq. Your history, and geography, are a little off.

  136. @Rich

    Talmudic planning
    The Jews needed WOI to happen.
    The Ottoman Empire had to be destroyed.
    No Sultan would have allowed the Jews entry into the holy land.
    The Talmudic Jews tried to convince the sultans many times through history with shekels gold slaves silver, you name it. The last attempt was in 1890 when the Sultan and the Ottomans were completely broke and bankrupt. The Ottoman Empire was in decline and shrinking, poverty and hunger all over the empire.
    The Sultan still said NO NO NO to the Jews.
    So the Talmudic Jews staged the European empires and Kings against each other. WOI happened. As planned, The war was lost for Germany and the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist. Pre-condition 1 for the return of the Jews to Zion .
    After the war The German reich was heavily taxed and billions of Debt was thrown upon the German people by the Jewish elite banksters. This time they did this in the open, not hiding their trails via proxies as they normally did.
    This was part of the plan. The Talmudic Jews knew that most of the Jews in Europe would not leave for ZION easily as many were happily integrated in European society’s.
    The same Jewish bankers inflated the German reichsmark to the point where it took 1 bag of paper to buy 1 bread. Their goal was to up the anti Jewish sentiment to unseen levels. At the same time Talmudic Jews took over Russia and started attacking the Christian’s of Russia. They knew that this would cause anti Jewish sentiments to get even higher.

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  137. @King Edward I

    You’re naive to think their hate and anger have a single, immutable target.

    Jews through the documented history of the West have proven themselves to simply do that which is expedient in the natural unveiling do their chosenness. Jews who refuse to accept chosenness are mowed down like an ordinary cattle-type goyim.

    Read a bit, a tiny bit, of the history of the Jews — the only race hated by all, and without any redeeming civilizational inventions (except possibly gefiltefisch). The Jews never had any natural friends or made any alliances.

    What appear to be “alliances” with western nations (US, UK, France) are merely the outcomes of dual citizens/cryptos buying everything and everyone, beginning with the banking system and ending with the debasement of currency, society, and eventually, nations. See the 8 part series on central banking on YouTube by peacedozer.

  138. @Holy Catholic

    “A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind” — video by peacedozer based on the book of Steven Mitford Goodson (died 2019).

    • Thanks: Gerbils
  139. @Rurik

    You’re right. I can’t recall Ron or Rand Paul ever advocating
    open borders or even legal immigration.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  140. Odyssey says:
    @Holy Catholic

    RUSSIANS IN DOWNTOWN NEW YORK.

    They are unstoppably moving towards Toreck – the collapse of that part of the front is possible. Ukrainian New York almost fell under the control of the Russian army.

    The same thing, just a few days later, can happen to the much larger Toreck and the agglomeration of several small towns that surround it.

    Even in Kiev, they admit that the Toreck front can collapse, although its commander-in-chief, Alexander Sirsky, is trying to “put out the fire” by transferring “under Toreck” brigades from other fronts.

    For Ukrainians, it is most dramatic in New York (Novgorod). The Russian army occupied a dominant position on the eastern outskirts of New York, which allowed its assault groups to penetrate to the very center. Then to break out on the southwestern outskirts.

    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine admitted that the situation on the Toreck front is “tense and difficult”.

    Kiev war correspondents and analysts report that “panic and despair are creeping into the units defending New York and holding the Turkish front.” And that everything got worse after a Ukrainian company arbitrarily left the “trenches of New York”, with a message to the military leadership that they would not die “only with automatic weapons in their hands”.

    Of the brigade sent to help New York – as one Ukrainian soldier testified – “in less than two hours, only a fifth remained.”

  141. @A B Coreopsis

    Ludicrous exaggeration that plays right into the Jewintern’s hands, by painting critics of Judaic criminality as deranged race haters. Are you, in fact, a Zionazi, trying to smear everyone here as a lunatic, by association?

  142. @Odyssey

    I believe you actually could be right. Thanks for your informative reply.
    Here in Western Europa the media pushes “the Ukrainians are killing 13 000 Russians per day narrative “ non-stop.
    Then there’s Ritter and MacGregor pushing the complete opposite. Sometimes I dunno what to believe anymore. That being said, Russians are Russians and for the last 400 years they were never defeated. Russians are bad ass hombres. They defeated Napoleon, Hitler and kicked The Ottomans asses over 10 times.

    Question? Are you aware that Albanian Kosovo has 100 000 strong crypto-orthodox community. I used to spend all my holidays in Dombovar Hungary where me and my brothers baught a holiday house. One day about 10 years ago I was walking from the town of Jagonak to Dombovar , an 8 miles walk and a cyclist stopped and shouted at me hello Germany. We started talking and I noticed straight away he looked very Islamic. I told him I was Belgian and I asked him ‘ are you Muslim’. He told me he came from Kosovo Albania and answered yes and no. Our talk continued and he told he was applying for Hungarian citizenship so he could leave for Western Europe. Than I asked him again “ what do you mean with Muslim Yes and No. Than he told me ‘ I’m a Muslim from the outside but from the inside i’am Christian. A very complex situation he said. I asked him are you Protestant, Catholic, orthodox? He said we are orthodox. But not in the open, very complex situation he repeatedly said that. He told me about the war with Serbia. He said it was Serbian nationalism in 1800 that caused the Orthodox Christian of Albanian descent to go underground at least in Kosovo. He said that at least 15 % of Kosovo inhabitants are secret orthodox Christians. For Catholics there was no need to go underground. They use mosques to pray to Christ and keep their bibles away from seeing eyes. They follow all the Islamic rituals.

    • Replies: @HdC
  143. @littlereddot

    “meanjojo” runs from a real fight. His reply to my comment #22 was juvenile and he didn’t dare reply to my comment #123. Stick to pretending that the DF-17 can hit a moving naval target at sea and pretending that a battleweight J-15 can take off from Shandong/Liaoning. When you make posts like this you look like a jew larping as a Chinaman, and perhaps you are……

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  144. HdC says:
    @Holy Catholic

    You exaggerate!

    Without millions upon millions of tons of war material from the USA, including 400,000 trucks, the Soviet Union would have lost.

    As it was, the SU never achieved its goal of of invading all of Germany and western Europe.

    Read Icebreaker by Viktor Suvorov.

    • Replies: @EoinW
  145. Was it Mach 8 or Macht 88 – make sure you get your details straight before writing an article!

    BTW, why do you guys believe any of that? It’s laughable! This side said so and so, that side said so and so, accept it fully and start speculating from there. Where does this lead you? In the woods…

    Has it ever occurred to you that they may be lying?

    These articles read like an AI generated spam. So ‘deep’, I’m lost for words!

  146. @A B Coreopsis

    The elite of the elite jews are their religious priests….the rabbis. What the rabbis believe is that Europeans/White gentiles must all be wiped out and exterminated before the third temple can be built and before their jewish sky ghost messiah can come.

    So, the elite of the elite jews are religious psychopaths that want the genocide of Europeans/White gentiles before they can have “heaven on earth”.

    They are telling you in their own words that White gentiles/Europeans ARE their single, immutable target here:

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
  147. @JFKwasmurderedbyzionist

    You’re exactly right, unfortunately.

  148. @King Edward I

    The Talmudic rabbis occupy a seat of power from oral and written tradition.

    Rabbinical authority is derived from the Talmud, a “holy* document that far exceeds in importance the Torah and other sections of the Jewish Bible.

    Jewish life springs from the core teachings of the Talmud — permissions ranging from sexual rights of adults to defile children 6 and older, but also the role of business contracts and the terms under which they can be abrogated.

    Impossible to understand Judaism without basic knowledge of the Talmud, nausea-inducing as so much of it is.

  149. @Jameson

    And how would that help anything? It would turn every single Muslim on the planet against the US… And probably cause North Korea to fly some nukes. Think hard. That doesn’t even mention what it would do to the oil economy…

    • Replies: @muh muh
  150. @Rich

    So Kuwait’s creation was the only part you could address? In any event – civilizations that existed in Iraq go back long before the Ottomans. Go to Iraq today and tell them their history started with the British and they will rightfully tell you they had civilization in their land before the Brits did. But yeah – thanks for the reminder of how many global territorial disputes the Brits caused.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @bjondo
  151. @Rational Racist

    Complete nonsense. The primary port that the Houthis are attacking is Eilat, at the southern-most part of Israel, on the Red Sea. It is Eilat that is nearly completely shut down. Haifa is Israel’s main port, which receives most European goods. It is not shut down . . . yet. Let Israel attack southern Lebanon and Hezbollah will certainly take care of it.

  152. @eah

    Why should the Houthis care if they commit an act of war against the US? What do they care about what the uS might do to them? What WOULD the US do to them? Switch pilots in the aircraft that bomb them? How does that matter?

    Background: For several years the Houthis have been bombed by US made bombs, guided by US intel, dropped by US made jets, flown by Saudi pilots, and it deterred them not one bit. I submit to you that it will not matter one iota.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @showmethereal
  153. @meamjojo

    Have you ever read an Israeli newspaper? Israel will NEVER move more Palestinians to the West Bank. As we speak, the “settlers” are running amok murdering their neighbors, implementing their final solution.

  154. Rich says:
    @showmethereal

    Iraq is divided between majority Arab, Kurds and the true natives, the Assyrians. The Ottoman only ruled the place since about the 15th century. Until the Brits showed up in the 20th century, united three separate provinces and called them “Iraq”. Kuwait wasn’t part of the artificial entity created by the King of England and called ‘Iraq’. Every day, any patriotic Iraqi (if they exist), should thank the British for giving them their own country.

    • LOL: A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  155. EoinW says:
    @HdC

    Soviet Union would have lost? You’ve got to explain how that would have played out. The Germans had Leningrad under siege for 3 years and never took the city. The Russians held out there without any war materials from America.

    As if they couldn’t produce their own war materials(like they are doing now). The Red Army had superior planes and superior tanks to the Wehrmacht. That was Russian technology – nothing to do with American help.

    USA/UK pretend Russia didn’t defeat the Germans or Russia was saved by them. Give me a break!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter, Odyssey
    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @eah
    , @HdC
  156. @Bombercommand

    Stick to pretending that the DF-17 can hit a moving naval target at sea and pretending that a battleweight J-15 can take off from Shandong/Liaoning.

    You seem to be obsessed with your “military might”. We know it is because you have nothing else to boast about.

    Even that is in doubt. When sandal wearing Houthis can attack ships of the US Empire and its vassals with impunity. The loudly boasting naval hyperpower is powerless to stop them? LMAO

    I congratulate the brave Houthi people on becoming a naval superpower!

  157. @EoinW

    USA/UK pretend Russia didn’t defeat the Germans or Russia was saved by them. Give me a break!

    Its a familiar claim from them.

    They also claim that China’s rise was due to them outsourcing all their industries to China and them magnanimously buying “cheap chinese junk”.

    They neglect to state that the first industrialists that went to China was the Chinese diaspora who returned to build factories there. Only when they had proven that China was a viable and attractive place to make stuff, did the Westerners rush to get a piece of the profit pie.

    Ironically now they claim that China “forced them to do it, and transfer/steal their tech while doing so”.

  158. @Odyssey

    I ment to say Kosovo but he said of course Kosovo Albania him being Albanian and a nationalist as are all Albanians. You of course think Kosovo is Serbia and I also understand the Serbian opinion. Serbs defended the European borders against the Ottoman invaders for 800 years non stop and the Catholics in Western Europe should stop attacking you guys. There’s no neutrality as Europa sides with Albania .
    I am also aware of the many genocides against the Serbian population by catholic Croats and the mixed religion Albanians. I just wonder are the Serbian aware of the fact that Kosovo has over 100 000 of Crypto Orthodox Christians ? I know that around 40 % of the Albanians in Albania are Christian split in groups of Catholics and Orthodox and also groups of crypto Christian’s(they mainly live in areas with majority Muslims) but I have been browsing the web for over 10 years and I haven’t found a single site article or video about the hidden Albanian orthodox Christians of Kosovo. There is content about the Catholics of Kosovo. They are about 10 % and practice their religion in the open. Hoxer was his name but we didn’t share contact details.I asked him for his social media but he refused to share details. He seemed a bit paranoid. He told me that Many Kosovo Albanians saw and still see orthodoxy as the religion of the Serbs. A side effect of Serb nationalism in 1800 he said. But in the country of Albania that is not an issue . There’s more than 300 000 orthodox Albanians over there. Mostly in the regions close to Greece.
    The Balkans = the most interesting region in Europe no doubt

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  159. muh muh says:
    @showmethereal

    Think hard.

    The individual from whom you’re requesting this isn’t interesting in thinking, let alone thinking hard.

  160. Mactoul says:

    How exactly are Houthis receiving these missiles?
    I suppose by sea route and then the West can easily suppress the delivery of these missiles if they wish. Since presumably the Houthis don’t control sea lanes to Iran and Iranian ships making delivery should be easy to interdict.

  161. eah says:
    @Kyfho Myoba

    >I submit to you that it will not matter one iota.

    Ask the Palestinians in Gaza (formerly ruled by Hamas, I don’t think Hamas will be allowed to hold power there in the future), including the ones who used to live there since a lot of it has been destroyed, if there are consequences to committing an act of war.

  162. eah says:
    @EoinW

    The Germans (Hitler) never intended or tried to capture Leningrad (Kriegsweisung Nr. 37 from October 1941, Übergang zur Verteidigung an der Nordfront ), which would have entailed many months of house-to-house fighting with enormous casualties (e.g. Stalingrad) — Hitler’s main war aim was to engage, encircle, and destroy large formations of Red Army troops, which he expected would lead to the collapse of the Soviet regime — it’s possible American trucks helped supply the city during the siege (Straße des Lebens).

    The Soviet Union does deserve most of the credit for defeating the Wehrmacht — by D-Day, the Red Army was rolling toward Berlin, and I doubt the Germans could have regained the initiative on the Ostfront even with the forces they had deployed in Western Europe.

  163. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    @ the same time Ru is destroying 2 Patriot sysems direct on the shore @ Odessa & Selenski is anouncing a new maritim strategy !?

    So we serch for Patriot & Aegis combined and here is the answer:

    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/05/lockheed-martin-launches-patriot-missile-from-vls-in-first-ever-test/

  164. @meamjojo

    Who ‘wants peace’? “Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.”?
    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  165. bjondo says:
    @showmethereal

    Rich’s accurate moniker would seem to be Shlomo Wolfowitz.

    5ds

  166. @eah

    Ask the Palestinians in Gaza (formerly ruled by Hamas, I don’t think Hamas will be allowed to hold power there in the future),

    Who is going to dis-allow Hamas to hold power in Gaza???

    From about 10.30

    “Hamas still alive”

    and 14.00

    “Reservists refuse call-up”

    • Thanks: littlereddot
    • Replies: @eah
  167. eah says:
    @Deep Thought

    >Who is going to dis-allow Hamas to hold power in Gaza???

    The Jews, they have the say-so (like it or not) — you think after all the blood they’ve shed in this war, claiming again and again that the aim is the destruction of Hamas, that they’ll allow Hamas to rule again in Gaza? — not pursuing the annihilation of the remaining Hamas militants (‘reservists’) is not the same as allowing Hamas to rule again in Gaza.

    I’m not going to bother watching the video, although I like Mearsheimer — it’s ludicrous to believe there will be a confrontation between Russia and the US over Israel/Gaza, or anything to do with the Middle East — Russia will do business with Iran, but they wouldn’t risk a military confrontation with the US over Iran either.

    You’re not a very deep thinker.

  168. Rurik says:
    @24th Alabama

    I can’t recall Ron or Rand Paul ever advocating
    open borders or even legal immigration.

    sadly, the apple fell far from the tree on that one, and Rand is an immigration proponent.

    https://grades.numbersusa.com/gradecard/9922/118/

    both he and Thomas Massie are catastrophes vis-a-vis immigration.

    I have no idea why these men, otherwise sensible, are yet willing to knowingly collaborate in the destruction of this country.

    • Thanks: 24th Alabama
  169. @eah

    The Jews, they have the say-so (like it or not) — you think after all the blood they’ve shed in this war, claiming again and again that the aim is the destruction of Hamas, that they’ll allow Hamas to rule again in Gaza?

    So far Mearsheimer has proved to be pretty well informed, and accurate in his predictions, in Ukraine and in the Middle East. According to him, Israel is running short of ammunitions, and perhaps man power (reservists are refusing further call-ups) to destroy Hamas– whatever the Jews say. Let us wait and see.

    • Replies: @eah
  170. eah says:
    @Deep Thought

    Your reading comprehension is poor — as I already said, failing to destroy, or deciding not to pursue the destruction of, the remaining armed Hamas militants in Gaza, whether due to lack of ammunition or for any other reason (‘reservists’), is not the same as allowing Hamas to rule Gaza again in the future — understand?

    If there is a shortage of ammunition, and it’s due to an interruption of supplies from the US, then it’s about time: the US should never have unconditionally supported the Jews in this war.

  171. @littlereddot

    A laughably pathetic attempt at diversion. Where is your video, or any source, that demonstrates that the D-17 can hit a moving naval target at sea? Where is your video, or any source, that demonstrates a battleweight J-15 launching from Shandong? You can’t because there isn’t . Instead you post a delusional video of Houthi soldiers prancing around like they are fag-dancing at Gay Pride Day. Are you one of those idiots that think the Houthis hit the USS Eisenhower? Now is your chance to prove it and you haven’t with that video. Pro Tip: it is not a good idea to post video from a video game and claim it is the Eisenhower getting hit, it merely makes you look like an idiot. The Red Sea operation has been a great opportunity for The United States Navy to test its training, and The United States Navy has performed superbly. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to conduct naval aviation operations continuosly 24/7 for EIGHT MONTHS STRAIGHT? The power and professionalism of The United States Navy has been proven in spades aces high. Everything the Houthis have thrown at it has been shot down. Do you seriously think The Ching Chong Tofu Dreg Navy can do anything remotely close? Maybe you are so idiotically arrogant you believe that, but PLAN admiral’s do not, and would shit their pants in fear if ordered to go up against the USN. Although I agree with the Houthis emotional reaction to the Gaza genocide, what they have done is politically counter productive. Once these attacks started, the US cannot stop its disgusting support of DirtyJewLandt, it would look like it was obeying the Houthis. Not very bright of the Houthis, but they don’t care, it appeals to their masses and that all the Houthis really care about. The Houthis have done the USN a favor by providing a real world test against shore based ballistic and cruise missiles. All that has been learned will be integrated into USN training, and we have learned plenty. Not very bright of the Houthis.

  172. HdC says:
    @EoinW

    Go and argue with your “hero” Stalin, who stated in his speech that without the material help of the USA, the Soviet Union would have lost the war.

    As it was the USSR failed in its objective to invade Germany and western Europe.

  173. @eah

    as I already said, failing to destroy, or deciding not to pursue the destruction of, the remaining armed Hamas militants in Gaza, whether due to lack of ammunition or for any other reason (‘reservists’), is not the same as allowing Hamas to rule Gaza again in the future — understand?

    Biden being senile is not the same as Biden admitting that he is senile. Biden certainly can comprehend that. That is why he keeps denying that he is senile– as if by denying it, it can make him not senile!!!

    YOU too, are trying hard to deny reality!

  174. @eah

    I don’t think you get it. Jews help other Jews…until someone double crosses the other (always happens eventually).

  175. @littlereddot

    Anyone who would use that moniker clearly lives in the shadow of evil. Like using the moniker JewXXX.

  176. @eah

    not pursuing the annihilation of the remaining Hamas militants (‘reservists’) is not the same as allowing Hamas to rule again in Gaza

    The Gazans know that the ultimate aim of Israel is to drive them out of Gaza and steal their land.

    They know that Hamas is only the bogeyman the Israelis use in order to justify their actions.

    Which ever group that controls the Palestinian population in Gaza will eventually be made a bogeyman for further Israeli actions until they achieve their aims.

    In this latest round of hostilities, the Israelis have made the destruction of Hamas rule an explicit goal.

    The fact that they cannot achieve it, has been perceived by the Gazans as a victory by Hamas. This has made Hamas hugely more popular than ever.

    The effect of this, is that as long as there are Palestinians in Gaza, Hamas will continue to rule.

    Israel has now exhausted itself and is not able to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza, nor destroy Hamas. Therefore they have no power to “allow Hamas rule” whether they like it or not.

    The world has changed. The USA unipolar moment has ended. The US is no longer able to bully the world in order to satisfy the whims of its favourite pet aka Israel. 2024 is the year that the Israelis finally realise this.

    • Agree: Deep Thought
  177. @Bombercommand

    From your moniker, it appears that you CLAIM to be exmilitary, and CLAIM to be in some sort of position of command?

    I give you the benefit of doubt, so remind you that you should (re)read Clausewitz.
    The military is only a TOOL that a state uses to achieve its aims.

    The very fact that you keep harping on about biggest, bestest, most awesomest weapons,…………and forget that they are mere tools, shows that you were never in a high position of command, if at all.

    Now let us get into the subject of your obsession….shiny toys that go boom.

    The weapons of any state do not need to be the biggest, bestest, most awesome.

    They only need to be GOOD ENOUGH, to achieve their aims.

    In the case of China, they only need to be a good enough DETERRENT to Yank attack.

    In the meanwhile, they are working actively where the REAL BATTLE is taking place, in the ECONOMIC FRONT.

    This is mirrored in the Western Front at Ukraine, where the Russians are holding the Yank Empire at bay, while working with BRICS to create a new world.

    Already the size of the BRICS economies are bigger than the G7….and it continues to grow.

    Already so many countries are lining up to join BRICS that the founder countries are unable take them all in at once.

    So yeah, go on admiring your shiny bestest, greatest, most awesome weapons….the Somalis too admire them when they decorate Mogadishu.

  178. Odyssey says:
    @Holy Catholic

    Just a quick review. You have to start from the very beginning. A group of (future) Albanians accidentally came to today’s Albania (which was then Serbia!) as an escort of a Byzantine general from Sicily (otherwise they are originally from the Caucasus) to the Balkans in 1043 and since the general died suddenly, they asked the Serbian ruler to stay as shepherds, since they had no ships to return to.

    The Serbian ruler allowed them to stay on Jablanica mountain (in today’s Albania and which still has a Serbian name) and they were supposed to pay a symbolic fee (some number of sheep) which is regulated by law. From then until today they are known as goatbangers. They did that for 400 years until the Ottomans came when they remembered that they were Muslims, who had fled from the Caucasus, and started terrorising the Christian Serbs.

    This continues to this day, with the fact that, due to their uncivilization, they had the comparative advantage of being the world’s leading heroin dealers. They had no culture, no religion, no language and they met the 20th century with 99.9% illiteracy.

    Over time, together with the Ottomans, they forcibly Islamized many Serbs, some of whom even now (just like the Muslims in Bosnia) know about their Serbian origins. They are quite easy to be recognised since they have different genetics from the original Albanians.

    For example, in Kosovo, which has a diameter of 90 km, there are 2,000 Serbian churches and monasteries, some of which are 1,000 years old, while the Albanians do not have a single monument. Serbia spent billions of dollars trying to civilise them, but it was wasted money.

    And here we are, they are cycling around Hungary, which was also a Serbian land that was settled by Hungarians in the 9th century and where Serbs were the majority until 1848. And the very name of the place where you have a holiday house is Serbian. Stay cool and holy.

  179. Anynomous says:

    Theres only few places where you can legally shopt and kill american and british dogs with legal means, in Ukraine and occasionally somewhere in the middle-east, because these sick animals do not have total control in these places and never will have. Every american and british killed and crippled with legal means in Ukraine and middle-east is relieving these parasites grip from our throats elsewhere and will allow us to fight back with legal means.

  180. bjondo says:

    From the Lancet via Al Jazeera:

    Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says. The study finds factors like diseases will lead to many more indirect deaths in the long run even if the war stops now. 8 Jul 2024

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/8/gaza-toll-could-exceed-186000-lancet-study-says

    Bet on higher. 186 thou+ probably 5 months ago.

    5ds

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  181. @Kyfho Myoba

    Correct. The only thing that happened is the Houthis started to ally with Iran – which they hadn’t originally.

  182. @Rich

    Actually aside from the Assyrians – the Mesopotamians are natives. Sumerians are among the oldest civilizations ever was there too but their gene pool is gone.

    But again – thanks for pointing out the problems the Brits caused. In the meantime please tell us what the Free Kuwaiti Movement of the 1930’s was about.

  183. @bjondo

    Yahweh will be pleased-so many mitzvot for his delectation. Meanwhile, in the sewer known as Austfailia, the one-term Federal ALP regime STILL refuses to call the Zionazi butchers out, and instead grovels to the local Jewintern overseers. They spend their time abusing ‘antisemites’ and cranking up the hatred against China, Russia and Iran. To call them ‘toadies’ is an insult to can toads.

  184. @James Charles

    Zuckerman is simply being sensible. One caveat, however-Hamas practise ‘resistance’ as is their right under International Law. It is the blood-crazed child-butchers of the Israeli Death Forces who are the terrorists.

  185. @eah

    What a slimy, evil, apologist for genocide you are. The war, started by your brethren, commenced in late 1947, you swine.

  186. @Bombercommand

    I tried to resist replying to you but I got weak. I will just touch on the J15. Let’s try and exercise those brain cells. I sourced a rabidly pro US and anti China and anti Russia (and anti anything that is against US hegemony) website . They detail the Russian jet that the J15 is based off of. While they of course are trying to denigrate the Russians they speak of the actual combat missions the jet has participated in. Well here is the thing – like the J16/Su 30 the J 15 is lighter than the Su 33 because it uses composite materials (of course this propaganda site doesn’t know that or just glosses over it). So strain those brain cells. If the Su 33 can engage in combat missions – why would the lighter J15 (which means better thrust to weight) not be able to take off in combat mode…??? Try hard.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-sukhoi-su-33-poor-excuse-carrier-based-fighter-208096

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @antibeast
  187. @showmethereal

    I understand your point, but it is based on a premise that is likely unsound. More on that later, but first I must clarify my position, as you have read the “short form”. What I mean by that statement is takeoff at battleweight under the frequently far from ideal conditions of wartime. The J-15 can launch from Liaoning, but only with at most a light load(perhaps no load), and Liaoning must be moving at maximum speed into a strong headwind. This is unacceptable performance for a navy that must fight a serious opponent. I have found PLAN videos, there are many, but all show, from different angles, the same launch, a J-15 armed with four A2A missiles(could be lightweight dummies). These videos also show landings, but all the J-15s are unarmed, most likely they launched unarmed, the pilots practicing the difficult art of carrier landings. It is clear the PLAN is aware of this problem, hence building the catapult equipped Fujian. The Fujian will be able to operate battleweight J-15s no problem, making it a dangerous opponent. In contrast, let us look at a ski-jump carrier that actually works: Queen Elizabeth II. It deploys the F-35B, which is a STOVL aircraft of superb performance, greatly superior to the Harrier. The USMC has successfully tested the F-35B operating from a landing dock transport with a short runway with no ski-jump, usually deploying only helicopters. The F-35B takes off from a flat deck, no catapult, in an impressively short distance. Now back to your argument. The “National Interest” article you linked makes the frequently repeated assertion of the SU-33 operating from Admiral Kuznetsov in combat missions over Syria, but I can find no corroboration. The Admiral Kuznetsov had at most six SU-33s, but it had 24 MIG-29Ks(likely the six SU-33s were retained to save face). Originally, the SU-33 was chosen over the MIG-29, but beginning in 2009 the MIG began replacing the SU-33. India rejected the SU-33 for its ski-jump carrier Vikramaditya, chosing the MIG-29K, which it has successfully operated. It appears there is something wrong with the SU-33 that is being hidden. In any case it is out. The problem with the Russians is they exaggerate the capabilities of their weapons for propaganda purposes, like the “unstoppable” Kinzhal missile, which has been shot out of the sky routinely by the Patriot anti-missile system, with only one Patriot needed to kill a Kinzhal.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  188. @Bombercommand

    The Liaoning was the trainer carrier. The Shandong is more advanced… In any event – you can check the Japanese media as both carriers launched hundreds of practice sorties in full view of the Japanese navy. But yes the Fujian is a different level altogether.

    You can easily find other confirmation that the Su 33 saw combat in Syria. Including from the Russians themselves.

    • Replies: @Corrupt
    , @Bombercommand
  189. The Liaoning was the trainer carrier. The Shandong is more advanced… …. But yes the Fujian is a different level altogether.

    Very true. They are clearly a series of fast iterations meant to rapidly develop the tech, training, doctrine etc of their carrier forces.

    The way this person laughs at the Chinese military, reminds me of the way the Wehrmacht laughed at the Soviets before Stalingrad.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  190. Corrupt says:
    @showmethereal

    “You can easily find other confirmation that the Su 33 saw combat in Syria. Including from the Russians themselves.”

    “Saw combat in” is NOT the same as operating off the carrier. Some Russian navy aircraft were flying from ground bases (Hmeimim Air Base), NOT the carrier.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  191. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    The J-15 is old news. The PLAN is already testing the J-35 equipped with two WS-19 engines for its aircraft carriers which makes China the only other country after the USA to have two models of fifth-generation “stealth” fighter jets: the land-based J-20 and the carrier-based J-35.

  192. @Corrupt

    The whole point of that US propaganda site was that a crash occurred on its return from one of the combat missions. So how do you spin that?

    • Replies: @Corrupt
  193. @littlereddot

    Yeah the J15 even if not fully armed still has a longer range and has better radar and has longer range weapons than either the F18 or F35 (well not radar for the F35) that t he US carriers use. But hey. That’s Hollywood Top Gun for you. But yeah right now Russia and China are doing naval drills near Japan and Japan is again taking pics of sorties of Chinese carriers.

    • Agree: littlereddot
  194. @antibeast

    I did hear. But yeah the J15 won’t go away. Just like the J16 is still being produced at the same time as the J20. Non stealth planes can carry more and bigger missiles because they aren’t worried about remaining hidden or having to hide missiles in the its internal bay. So they will work together really. Stealth planes go in first but the heavy lifting will be done by the old workhouses. US military does the same really. I think that’s why Russia never focused as much on stealth. They preferred to focus on carrying more arms with greater range and speed

    • Replies: @antibeast
  195. @showmethereal

    The “Flopping Fish”, as it is known to the Chinese public, might be practicing launching and landing, but it is not doing that at battleweight, and you know that. My point remains: the USSR chose the SU-33 over the MIG-29, yet replaced the SU-33 with the MIG-29. The Navy of India declined the SU-33 in favor of the MIG-29, now they are looking for a replacement for the MIG-29, and it will not be a Russian aircraft. Clearly the SU-33 is inadequate. In the Syria operations the Kuznetsov had 24 MIG-29s, and only 6 SU-33s. Clearly the SU-33 was only there to save face.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  196. @antibeast

    There are only two J-31 airframes and one J-35 airframe, that is not even enough for “testing”. You are bragging about imaginary capabilities.

  197. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    You are absolutely correct about China’s plans to continue using the land-based J-10s and J-16s as well as the carrier-based J-15s for ground attack missions while deploying the land-based J-20s as well as the carrier-based J-35s for air interception missions. China doesn’t need aircraft carriers to achieve air superiority in the East Asian theater within the first-island chain due to the range of the J-20s. Outside of East Asia, China would definitely need the Fujian Type 003 aircraft carrier, most likely deploying the J-35s for air-to-air combat missions outside the second-island chain. Both the Liaoning Type 001 and Shenyang Type 002 would be deployed only outside the first-island chain but within the second-island chain, either as backup or as decoys. This small number of aircraft carriers complement China’s A2/AD strategy of relying on its missile arsenal consisting its land-based DF-17s as well as ship-based YJ-21s.

  198. @Bombercommand

    The “flopping fish” came from a Taiwan propaganda site. Yes it was in Chinese because Taiwan people are Chinese. Thanks for reminding everyone (though I’m sure you didn’t know where that even came from).

    How do I know what weights they are launching? Can you tell from this screenshot from 2 days ago? I know you probably think Chinese are dumb but they aren’t – nor do Chinese like to waste money. Ask Japan if they think the J15 can’t fly in combat why they are constantly doing drills near Japan so Japan can monitor them.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/japan-warns-china-north-korea-annual-defence-report-4475361

    Not sure of your point. India likes the MiG because it is less costly. It’s called budget. Russia is not focusing on carriers and never did. Again the MiG is less costly. So why would they put a lot more resources into the Su 33 when they will not be building that many carriers at all in the future (if any)?? The FACT is that it did get used in combat.
    Show me any military that has more of its expensive planes than it does of its more expensive…. Didn’t the U.S. – the richest country in the world at the time – discontinue the venerable F14 for the less capable F18 because of costs???? Try harder.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  199. @antibeast

    Neither the DF-17 nor the YJ-21 have ever hit a moving naval target at sea. You are, again, bragging about imaginary capabilities.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  200. Corrupt says:
    @showmethereal

    I’m not spinning it at all. I have no idea if, when or where a jet might have crashed. Just saying that saying they were operating in Syria doesn’t mean they were operating off a carrier with a full combat load.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  201. @antibeast

    Correct (though the name has changed from J35 to J31 now) as far as I know. Also of note is the H6 bomber has been modified to carry air launched versions of the YJ21 and DF 17(26?)…. You know the one this guy bomber command claims can’t hit a moving target – LOL. The H6 can take off from the bases on the South China Sea and western China and with those missiles could even hit the Indian Ocean. Although it can only carry one of those huge Df’s – that is a huge difference. not sure if you saw that recently the PLA released a pic of the H6 carrying 4 of the air version of the YJ 21. It previously was thought they could only carry 2 since that’s all that ever been shown in public. But now they showed night time training with 4.

    So yeah having huge numbers of aircraft carriers is unnecessary for China since it isn’t trying to control the globe. Speculation was they would build 6 but even that is probably too much. My guess is 4 to 5

  202. @showmethereal

    The F-14 was retired because it had nasty landing handling behavior. Pilots in training were particularly vulnerable to accidents. The name “Tomcat” was not meant as a compliment. This issue is not well known outside The United States. The F-14 was designed as both an air superiority fighter and to deal with mass cruise missile attacks by the Soviet Navy, and it was superbly capable at both roles. After the fall of the USSR the latter capability was not needed. The F-18 Super Hornet was designed to fill the gap until a fifth generation aircraft was deployable. The F-18 Super Hornet is certainly not “less capable”. The Super Hornet looks like the original F-18, but is a completely different aircraft under the skin.

    • Replies: @Corrupt
    , @showmethereal
  203. antibeast says:
    @Bombercommand

    Well if you were the commanding officer of a USN CBG heading towards East Asia which would face either the DF-17 or YJ-21, you are going to think twice before allowing your $10B floating duck with a crew of 5,000 horny USN servicemen from getting hit with MACH 10 hypersonic missiles from China. Whether the DF-21 or YJ-21 will hit the floating duck is besides the point because China’s A2/AD strategy is based on deterrence. The fact that China possesses hypersonic missiles such as the DF-21 and the YF-21 is enough to provide deterrence which would force any USN CBG away from the first-island or second-island chains. Assuming the USN CBG manages to survive the barrage of hypersonic missiles, then the carrier-based F-18s or F-35s would still have to face the J-20s in air-to-air combat, not the J-15s which are being deployed only for ground-attack missions. And since the USA doesn’t export the F-22s, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan doesn’t have anything that can go head-to-head against the J-20s because the land-based F-35s don’t have the range while the only way for the sea-based F-35s to see air-to-air combat action is for the USN CBG to sail closer to the Chinese coast thereby becoming floating coffins.

    Not an easy task, is it?

  204. @antibeast

    Well if you were the commanding officer

    There is a saying that “amateurs talk about strategy, military professionals talk about logistics”.

    There some truth to it.

    In this case, he is not even at the level of strategy, not even at the level of tactics,…rather he is obsessed with itsy bitsy data on this weapon and that weapon.

    LOL…….we can easily tell that he was certainly NOT a high ranking officer in the military, despite what he fantasizes in choosing his moniker.

    An officer in position of command has a far larger perspective on military matters.

    I doubt that he was even a member of the military in the first place.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  205. Corrupt says:
    @Bombercommand

    Yes, other than speed, range and combat load, the F-18 has the advantage, both in maneuverability and ease of maintenance.

  206. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    Whether the DF-17 or YJ-21 will hit the floating duck is besides the point because China’s A2/AD strategy is based on deterrence. The fact that China possesses hypersonic missiles such as the DF-17 and the YF-21 is enough to provide deterrence which would force any USN CBG away from the first-island or second-island chains.

    Correction: “DF-21” should read “DF-17” in the above paragraphs. The DF-21D is an anti-ship ballistic missile while the DF-17 is an anti-ship hypersonic missile.

  207. antibeast says:
    @littlereddot

    I wouldn’t blame him at all as there is a lot of misinformation in the Western media. He kept talking about the J-15 but ignored the J-20 which has received scant coverage in the Western media. After China started deploying the J-20 in 2019, the Japanese panicked and asked the USA to expedite the deployment of the F-35 in East Asia. Then when China deployed the J-20 in Tibet, the Indians freaked out because the Indian Air Force doesn’t have anything that can survive against the J-20 in air-to-air combat. What that means is that China would be able to achieve air superiority anywhere the J-20 is deployed, whether in East Asia, South Asia or in Southeast Asia.

  208. @Corrupt

    “full combat load” is a folly. You know why? Sukhoi jets have longer range and better flight performance than their US counterparts. They also carry longer and faster ranged air to air missiles. The FACT is the plane was used in combat from the air carrier to go and bomb the US and Turkish backed militants in Syria. The plane was not the problem. As noted – yes the CARRIER was sidelined and then the planes were used from air strips.

    As to what their take off weight is from the ski jump carriers – we do not know since of course that is classified. But only big mouth fools who want to denigrate Russia and China make prognostications about their take off weight. Considering they can do in flight refueling it is perfectly reasonable that they could take off with less fuel and more arms and refuel in the air. Again NONE of use know. What we do know for sure is the Su 33 DID engage in combat from Russian carriers. We also know the J15 – which is a Chinese plane based on the Russian design is a lighter plane because it uses more composite materials. It also now has a more updated indigenous engine.

    Much faster than the same big mouths proclaimed – China has now launched a carrier with electro magnetic catapults – so it is a moot point anyway.

  209. @Bombercommand

    According to US supplied statistics the performance and armaments of the F18 are INFERIOR to the F14 in every measure. The price tag is also much lower. The US press notes (not Russian or Iranian or North Korean) that certain people in the establishment said upgrading the F14 was too expensive so they favored the upgrade to the F18 to save money. The F35 by the US gov’s own admission has not performed in a satisfactory manner either. So you dispute both of those? (According to US media it was Dick Cheney who was responsible for cancelling the F14 so knowing how corrupt he was – he probably profited from it like his business affiliates who were mercenaries in Iraq).

    With the exception of the MiG 31 – Russia prefers Sukhoi jets at every level. They are more expensive – but more capable. That is also why they sold more MiG’s overseas. Doesn’t mean MiG’s or F18’s are bad planes. But budgets matter!!! If money was no object then there would be no question as to what first choices would be.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  210. @antibeast

    Good points. Though note that the US puts the F22 on US bases in Japan now. I guess that was why China released satellite footage showing they can track the F22’s.
    And yeah the US military admitted the J20’s intercepted the F35 already near Japan. They admitted the respected the plane.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  211. @showmethereal

    You understand nothing. The publically available performance claims on ALL United States weapons are much lower than their actual performance. When you overstate performance, as the Chinese and Russians regularly do, it is possible to deduce probable actual performance. When you understate performance, your adversary cannot deduce actual performance, therefore cannot plan. For example the range of the F-35 is stated as 1300 miles. We want you to think your jets outrange ours so you will be crowing with baseless hubris, as you have been doing here on this thread, and you will make terrible mistakes. I will give you an example that goes back to WWII. The officially stated top speed of the Iowa class battleships was listed, for decades, as 33 knots. I grew up believing this, as did many others, including professional military. However, I remember even as a kid noting the strangely shaped bow of the Iowa class boats, it is ugly, while other nations battleships had aesthetically pleasing bows. It didn’t make any sense, why would the naval architects make such an idiotic mistake? In the 1990’s I came across a specialist publication(British) that noted the bow design of the Iowa class was most efficient at 37 knots, and the author was perplexed that that bow design was used on a boat that had but a 33 knot top speed. Stupid Americans!!! However, about ten years ago the USN permitted the release of previously classified accounts of a training exercise in the 1980’s in which Iowa cruised at 37 knots for over six hours. Mystery solved. Secrecy didn’t matter any more as the Iowa’s were permanently retired. Let us look at the Ford class aircraft carriers. Officially, the Ford has a top speed of 37 knots…….Ah yes, “hypersonics”, stupid Americans can’t make them because they are stupid Americans, the Russians and Chinese are way ahead of stupid Americans!!! Yes, yes “by the US government’s own admission the F-35 has not performed in a satisfactory manner”. “According to US supplied statistics the performance and armaments of the F-18 are INFERIOR to the F-14 in every measure”. “So you dispute both of those?”. No I do not dispute both of those….as Sun T’zu wrote long ago “When strong…feign weakness”.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  212. @antibeast

    Once again, you are bragging about imaginary capabilities. The DF-17/YF-21 has never hit a moving naval target at sea. Despite that, you can relax, The United States has no intention to attack the PRC mainland, it would accomplish nothing, enrage the Chinese public, and we can accomplish our goals using our Navy to do what a navy is built for: control the World Ocean. In a “situation”, we will prevent your Merchant Marine from operating. Nothing gets in nothing gets out. In fact, you have foolishly made your Merchant Marine a “Maritime Militia”, therefore all your civilian ships are legitimate military targets, and will be sunk. Then your navy will have to come out….,..you will be dealt with carefully.

  213. @Bombercommand

    LOL… When the US got Sukhoi jets after the Cold War they had to admit it was the best of that generation. But ok…. Yeah sure – everyone else over exaggerates and the US understates. Yeah ok. Except real life doesn’t bare that out.
    As to the F14 – other nations would know it’s capabilities. You forget that Iran has F14’s and uses them to this day. So in your world the F18 is a super duper plane – so super it out performs the F14 at a fraction of the cost. Are you a used car sales person???
    Oh and in the 21st century – unless your weapons systems you have are absolutely secret – all major nations can monitor the tests of other nations. Are you stuck in 1960?

    And the US does not follow Sun Tzu – LOLOL.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  214. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    The USA doesn’t export the F-22s which have to be flown back to the US mainland where their parts, components and subsystems must be custom-made for MRE purposes. That is a temporary “band-aid” solution which is not economically viable to resolve the strategic problem that US allies like Japan faces which is their tactical vulnerability to the air superiority of the PLAAF due to China’s deployment of the J-20s in the East Asian theater. The English-language Western MSM has barely covered China’s deployment of the J-20s which are now currently in mass-production at the rate of 50 units per year. The PLAAF is expected to have at least 200+ J-20s by the end of 2024 and at least 500+ J-20s by the end of 2030 while the USAF only has about 140+ F-22s which are no longer in production.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  215. @antibeast

    Everything you wrote is correct. But in reality the U.S. and Japanese planes in the area can’t even manage the J16’s and Su35’s (bought from Russia). Even the J10 vs the F16. But yeah the contrast between the J20 and F22 is poignant. Construction methods and ease of maintenance appear to be showing. The speculation is how many J20’s will be built. China has the most heavyweight airplanes of any Air Force. The J16 is still in production. To replace all the retiring J11’s and Russian bought Su 27’s and 30’s – the speculation is between 500 and 750 J20’s depending on how many J16’s China ends up building too.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/j16-brigade-guards-shenzhen-hk-subs

    • Replies: @antibeast
  216. @showmethereal

    Yes, China exaggerates, example: DF-17 “hypersonic carrier killer”. Yes, Russia exaggerates, example: Khinzal, “the unstoppable”. Yes, The United States understates, example: F-35. You misrepresent what I stated about the F-18 Super Hornet. What I stated is that the Super Hornet was developed to fill a time gap until the F-35 was deployable. You also misunderstand Sun T’zu, which is little use to a General. You cannot use Sun T’zu as a manual to lead an Army in war. The Art Of War’s intended audience is government officials and the Emperor. It give them rule-of-thumb advice and tips to assess if the General Staff is following sound doctrine.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  217. @Bombercommand

    I misunderstand Sun Tzu? Lol. I read him a very long time ago sport.

    Not sure what you mean about the F35. F18’s aren’t being retired. The F35 apparently has very good sensors and network capability – but it was weak range – weak flight performance – lower armament payloads – and has horrible maintenance records and production defects…. So… basically its only ability is to drop bombs on weak countries

    As to the DF17 – well let’s pray we never have to find out…. Well I do. You seem a little over confident and like you like war. But ok.

    In any event the Kinzhal is seeming to do very well in Ukraine. It destroyed your supposedly under-stated Patriot missile batteries. But ok

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  218. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    The speculation is how many J20’s will be built. China has the most heavyweight airplanes of any Air Force.

    It depends on whether you are reading the English-language Western media or the Chinese-language Chinese media. The latter claims 250 J-20s today and 1,000 J-20s by 2030! I am inclined to believe a number that is close to the average of the two which is 625 because China would most likely be mass-producing the land-based J-31s for both the PLAAF and export markets as well as the carrier-based J-35s for the PLAN by that time. And just how many J-31s and J-35s would be produced by 2030? You won’t believe it but the Chinese media claims 3,000!

  219. I only read “official” Chinese media – lol. Didn’t see that story but that definitely seems excessive (3k). I don’t even think the J10 has that many… But we shall see.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  220. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    【中国是唯一拥有“四位一体核打击能力”的国家-哔哩哔哩】
    https://b23.tv/pFFZ3js

    1000架歼20,3000架歼35,到底谁才是“世界头号空军”?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  221. @antibeast

    Ok. I got ya. But since this is an English site I tend to only post things people would understand. I like others to fact check what I say. I mean yeah they can use translation programs but those aren’t completely accurate I often find.

  222. @showmethereal

    Yes, you misunderstand Sun T’zu if you think it can used as a manual to train a General. The intended audience is civilian as I stated, it is totally obvious. If you can’t see that on your own I can’t help you. Of course the F-18 isn’t being retired…yet. it is an excellent aircraft with plenty of service life left in the airframes and will continue to receive upgrades. The main point is that all the F-35Cs haven’t been deployed yet, so the F-18 will remain in service at least till then. You are completely wrong about the F-35. It is both a fighter and a strike aircraft, why it is called the Joint Strike Fighter. If you are so deluded that you think the F-35 is a dud, ponder this for a moment. The USAAF has run exercises in which a F-15 is piloted by a veteran fighter pilot with decades of experience, the best that can be found versus an F-35 flown by a rookie pilot. The F-35 has won every time. Regarding the DF-17 “carrier killer”, I have repeatedly challenged you and anyone else to show that a DF-17 can hit a moving naval target at sea, even the most simple test. Result: no response. If you can’t show that, then the DF-17 can’t do it. Regarding the Kinzhal, I have kept watch on the situation, particularly after all the idiotic braying from the Rooski Fanboys. After the Patriot was deployed to defend Kiev, the Russians did attack with Kinzhal, an the Kinzhals were shot out of the sky. After that the Russians declined to send Kinzhals against Kiev. Obviously the Kinzhal failed. There was one more launch by the Russians against Kiev, but it was a decoy, a single Kinzhal at Kiev, to cover for several more launched on a far southern flight path over the Sea of Azov at targets on Ukraine’s Black Sea coast near Odessa. The Kinzhal launched at Kiev was shot down. The Patriot is reserved for high value targets, such as Russian Airforce AWACs(A-50?). Patriot has downed at least two. I noticed that Unz commenter John Johnson challenged the Rooski Fanboys to a discussion about alleged destruction of Patriot batteries by Kinzhal, and there were no takers. What you fail to understand is the Patriot batteries given to the Ukrainians are the oldest models, the ones on the verge of retirement. They don’t have the capabilities of the Patriots used by the US military. Same for the ATACMS, old stock slated to be scrapped. Yes those ATACMS can be shot down, but they have also been used to destroy active S-400 batteries, not ones in transit. That is war, there are losses. Listen carefully to me. We know that China is an intensely patriotic, intelligent, highly motivated adversary and we do not underestimate you. You will be dealt with carefully, and we are not bluffing.

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  223. @Bombercommand

    Oh brother… So much delusion. And it’s not me wo calls it the F35 a dud but even members of US congress.

    In any event you were provided with testimony of even Pentagon officials noting that China could hit moving sea targets – but you ignored it. I will go another route. This is an anti China US think tank that TRIES to parse China’s satellite capabilities. Well of course they don’t know it all – but this is oen of the ways China is able to get targeting information on US ships… Just one.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/no-place-hide-look-chinas-geosynchronous-surveillance-capabilities

    As to the Patriots… What happened to the ones Israel gave up? Explain that. And what happened to the US air defenses that Saudi Arabia gave up on and decided it was more sensible to make peace with the Houthis and Iran???

    Yawn

  224. @showmethereal

    Show evidence of a DF-17 hitting a moving naval target at sea. Put up or shut up.

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  225. @showmethereal

    “…..you were provided with testimony of even pentagon officials noting that China could hit moving sea targets-but you ignored it”. I can’t find in this thread what you claim you “provided”. Perhaps you can “provide” it again. Thanks in advance.

  226. @Bombercommand

    Are you a child who is a video game addict??? Countries don’t publish those things kiddo. what the PRO US CSIS was trying to get you to understand is that it is not a game… China can indeed track US ships via satellite (and of course China has the most early warning aircraft with AESA radars in the region – and the most drones too). Stop playing kid games and act like an adult.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  227. @showmethereal

    If China could hit a moving naval target they would be crowing from the rooftops. But they have never claimed they can, even ONE test. To make an anti ship ballistic missile deployable, you would need to run numerous exercises. You are mixing up “surveillance” and “tracking”. The Chinese satellite is a “surveillance” satellite. “Tracking” is a specialized term that describes real time data that is accurate enough to guide a cruise missile or ballistic missile into a moving target. It can be done with a cruise missile because at launch it is pointed at the target, it has an onboard radar set, it is under power the whole flight, and it flies in a flat trajectory in a straight line(in plan view). The radar set constantly updates the direction of the target. It is incredibly difficult with a ballistic missile. A ballistic missile is like a bullet, under power initially, then flying unpowered in a parabolic curve. This is not a problem when attacking a fixed target. With a moving target one must know the exact location of a target in real time, and predict its future position, accurately. Just because you have identified a target on radar does not mean you know its exact location. Long distance radars can know a target is out there, but can be off, sometimes by miles in regard location, and I am leaving out EW to simplify the problem. With EW it becomes a nightmare. A further problem is transmitting the data to the ballistic warhead, a ballistic missile must slow down to permit reception, which means it can only receive data in the final very few seconds of flight A moving naval target is moving fast, changing speed and direction constantly. How are you are going to “steer” the missile when it is following a parabolic ballistic trajectory at high speed? By what mechanism? I know what you Chinese are up to. Those ridiculous tests in the desert with a target on railroad tracks. You are attempting to get enough accuracy to damage an aircraft carrier with a ballistic missile armed with a nuclear warhead. You really, really do not want to go there.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  228. @Bombercommand

    Your first sentence shows you know absolutely nothing about Chinese culture. But here is a clue. There is intense electronic warfare going on in the South China Sea. China confiscates US monitor buoys and sea drones all the time. They only publish photographs and a short story as to when they found the device (sometimes it is fishermen). They do NOT write big exposes in the media detailing what they find when they reverse engineer the U.S. (and I’m sure some are Japanese) devices. You really have no clue about Chinese culture.
    Do you know how China introduced its YJ 21 supersonic missile being able to be launched from its destroyers (it was land based before)? A simple video showing it being launched and that’s it. How did they demonstrate it being able to be launched from its air bombers? Landing the bomber at an air show. Lay people wouldn’t know except that they call it an anti ship missile. But guess what Sherlock – when weapons are tested they are often done so out in the open. That is why U.S. military officials gave testimony to the fact that China launched DF missiles from the mainland and hit targets in the sea. The U.S. sends spy planes over the South China Sea – every day – several times a day. China knows and does those tests openly. We know that because China publishes how many U.S. sorties it counts and even the submarine movements that are tracked. Do you get the difference yet?

    And if you want to see how to demonstrate how to hit those targets don’t you realize Russian Iskander ballistic missiles have been able to course correct for years???? And don’t you know China openly displaying mock ups in the desert replicating US ships and bases and aircraft is demonstrating of them “training” the missiles to learn the shape of the targets. Do you know what that is called? There are multiple multiple ways. You probably think Chinese don’t know how to do datalinks well and don’t know IT. Well China was completely unscathed by the Crowdstrike/Microsoft meltdown because China had its own systems (Hong Kong being the exception because they are still tied partially to the west). Maybe your latest video game update to Call of Duty or whatever you play hasn’t explained these things to you. Maybe the next one will explain why the Houthis are still able to fire missiles and drones. You know a country that is fairly weak in IT resources . Pride and arrogance has been the downfall of many.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  229. @showmethereal

    In my comment #228 I asked you to provide “testimony of Pentagon officials noting that China could hit moving sea targets”, that you claimed you had already provided, but had not. Now you are making this claim again. Please provide it. Regarding my comment #230, I failed to clarify that I was referring to a “hypersonic” missile, which produces a plasma cloud around the warhead which blocks reception, when it slows, in the terminal phase, it can receive, but by then it is too late, and the warhead has too little ability, if any, to course correct. Yes the Iskander, like other ballistic missiles can course correct, but only in the boost phase, this does not help against a moving target. Certainly Surface To Air missiles can course correct under control of a ground station, but they are under power the entire flight, not in a ballistic trajectory, and the problem of hitting an air target is much simpler than a ballistic missile against a moving target on the surface. For a moving target you need what is called a “kill chain”….anyway we can bat this around for days without resolution. To resolve this in your favor you can simply provide evidence of a successful test if a DF-17 against a moving naval target, but clearly you cannot.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  230. @Bombercommand

    It was given to you long ago… No time to waste back tracking. Yeah you don’t even understand how many different types of missiles the PLA nor the Russian military have. Let’s leave it at this… I think it would be better for everyone if we never have to find out if China’s DF missiles can hit a US ship in real life… As if their YJ missile series couldn’t overwhelm US ship defenses anyway…. But you sound like Gen MacArthur. He got replaced in Korea for a reason too. You start to believe your own hubris. But yeah the US removing it’s intermediate range missiles from the Philippines was not because the US military is nice. They were there from April and taken out now. They know full well they can’t match China’s production of such. Come to reality.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  231. @showmethereal

    I certainly agree with you about Douglas MacArthur, he was China’s “secret weapon” in Korea. MacArthur should have been cashiered after his ludicrous failure in the Phillipines in 1942 to implement Eisenhower’s defense plan which predicted the exact beaches used by the Japanese. The IJA landed unopposed. He also nixed the B-17 pilot’s request to attack the Japanese airbases on Formosa. A total idiot, as well as insubordinate to President Truman. Truman considered MacArthur to be mentally ill, and that ludicrous outfit, the aviator sunglasses and corncob pipe, sure fit the bill. But the Republicans stood by MacArthur because he attacked the Bonus Marchers. When General Ridgeway took command of UN troops his condition was that MacArthur, his nominal commander, was forbidden to interfere. With Ridgeway in command the Chinese Army learned what hell is….many times over. I also have some choice words about the dumbass Admiral Halsey, maybe another time….But back to your comment, you say you have given “the testimony of Pentagon officials” before, so you don’t have to now, so I have to accept that you did….that ain’t gonna cut it. I have to assume you are bullshitting. Same for your claims about the DF-17…..I must say I admire your presence here advocating for China, it is much needed and makes for a lively discussion.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  232. @Bombercommand

    MacArthur brought up nukes like you did. Your comment 230. MacArthur thought he would walk all over China like you do. You can’t win a nuclear war. DF41 and JL3 can hit the U.S. mainland. Russia of course would not sit around while their neighbor is nuked by the U.S. so Europe would be gone too. North Korea of course would then nuke Japan.

    • Replies: @Torna atrás
  233. @showmethereal

    The Japanese have a word “Busshu-suru” which translates as “To do the Bush thing” meaning “to vomit” referring to the time when George H.W. Bush’ vomited in Japan’s prime minister’s lap.

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